by craig on April 10, 2013 11:20 am in Uncategorized

In the week they took hundreds of pounds from people in severe poverty, MPs and Lords claim up to £3,750 each to return from their luxury holidays to spout off in honour of Margaret Thatcher. Meantime the media are busy classifying any potential protest or expression of opinion at the taxpayer funded funeral jamboree as “potential terrorism”.

Whether protest at the funeral is tasteful or not is a fair question. But there is no question it is perfectly lawful. There is virtually no understanding of the very notion of civil liberty in the mainstream media.

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  1. “£10,000,000 for the funeral? Surely value for money in these straitened times! ”

    I’m sure the uniformed thugs – sorry, brave boys in blue of the Met will be grateful for the overtime. According to the ‘Eye subsidising parliament’s bars and restaurants costs the taxpayer £5.8 million every year so I suppose £10 million looks like a reasonable figure to them.

  2. There are plenty links to what Vitol have been involved in. Read about it here
    This site also got a lawyers letter- see same blog link ‘Closing down the debate’
    If you read some of the comments you will get plenty more. It’s a really hot story, with a lot more to come.

  3. Mary
    11 Apr, 2013 – 5:37 am

    “The committee, which is meeting on a daily basis, is planning to make the liberation of the Falkland Islands a central part of the ceremonial funeral on Wednesday.”

    Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel:

    Samuel Johnson

  4. From a mirror site, re. Vitol.
    I accept no responsibility for the truth or otherwise of this, obviously. But it seems to be verifiable, and a matter of public interest.

    Dirty Money: The Tory Millionaire Bankrolling Better Together
    Posted by Michael Gray on April 7, 2013 in Broken Britain, Magazine
    Today ‘Better Together’ disclosed £1.1 million of donations to its campaign. Almost half of that sum came from one man: Ian Taylor, a long-term Conservative Party donor and Chief Executive of oil-traders Vitol plc.
    Today’s Sunday Herald described Taylor as “a Scots oil trader with a major stake in the Harris Tweed industry”. They also gave Taylor’s views – who is reportedly worth £155 million – print space to justify his funding decision.
    This raises several concerns. Taylor, according to The Sunday Herald, is not registered to vote in Scotland. This breaks Electoral Commission guidelines for general elections, which Yes Scotland has promised to follow. Secondly, Ian Taylor has given £550,000 to the Conservative Party since 2006. This is a further case of Tory donors – and their political interests – bankrolling the ‘no’ campaign.

    These general complaints, however, are minor in comparison to more serious incidents – unmentioned in the media today – linked to Ian Taylor’s business background.

    While Chief Executive of Vitol plc, his company has been involved in shady-deals in Serbia, Iraq, Libya and Iran. Furthermore, Vitol avoided tax to the tune of millions of pounds through an offshore trading scheme. Douglas Alexander, Labour’s Shadow Foreign Secretary, described Vitol’s relationship with Westminster as “curious”, and said there were questions to answer.

    As Chief Executive of Vitol since 1995, Ian Taylor has serious questions to answer in all of these cases. Better Together have serious questions to answer as to what they knew about Ian Taylor before they accepted half-a-million pounds from him. Alistair Darling – who recently met with Taylor prior to the funding deal – must also confirm what his position is on the following cases.

    1) Vitol Admitted Paying $1 million to a Serbian Paramilitary Leader

    In 1996 Vitol paid $1 million to the Serbian paramilitary leader Arkan to settle a score over a secret oil deal to supply Slobodan Milosevic’s Serbia with fuel. Ian Taylor’s director, Bob Finch, used Arkan as a ‘fixer’ after the oil deal in the former Yugoslavia collapsed. Arkan was assassinated in 2000.

    Arkan was indicted by the UN war crimes tribunal in The Hague for crimes against humanity. According to The Obverver – which names Ian Taylor in its investigation into Arkan – “his brutality was well documented” when the meeting with Vitol’s representative took place. Arkan’s paramilitaries – ‘the tigers’ – were notorious for massacring 250 patients and staff in a hospital.

    Ian Taylor was Chief Executive of Vitol when Bob Finch, as Vitol Director, went to Belgrade. Arkan was then indicted with 24 crimes against humanity.

    What did Ian Taylor know about his company’s dealing in Serbia and their payment to Arkan? What is the position of Better Together in relation to this?

    2) Vitol plc: Guilty of Bribing Saddam Hussein’s Iraqi Regime For Oil Contracts

    While Ian Taylor was Chief Executive, Vitol paid $13 million in kickbacks to Iraqi officials under Saddam Hussein to win oil supply contracts. The company pled guilty in a U.S. court to grand larceny in November 2007 and paid $17.5 million in restitution as a result. This undercut the UN oil-for-food program – 1996-2003 – that sought to trade Iraqi energy resources for humanitarian supplies.

    Was Ian Taylor aware of his company’s actions at the time? To what extent did his company profit from these deals in Iraq and to what extent did he profit personally from the company’s success? Is Better Together content to accept Mr Taylor as a major funder in these circumstances?

    3) Ian Taylor’s Company Avoided Tax ‘for more than a decade’

    Vitol plc employed the controversial tax avoidance scheme known as ‘Employee Benefit Trusts’. (EBTs) Such schemes allowed employees to avoid paying income tax and companies to avoid national insurance contributions. Vitol used the scheme ‘for more than a decade’.

    Tax evasion and avoidance costs the UK Exchequer tens of billions of pounds a year. EBTs were banned in 2011. Vitol then entered negotiations with HMRC over claims that it still owed millions of pounds in unpaid taxes.

    What did Ian Taylor know about the company’s tax avoidance scheme? Even if it met legal requirements, does he consider tax avoidance to be morally just? Is Better Together aware of these claims against the company of its major donor?

    4) Ian Taylor has been accused of improper political donations to the Conservative Party.

    According to today’s Sunday Herald, Ian Taylor has donated £550,000 to the Conservative Party since 2006. He was one of the 70 millionaires who paid the £50,000 privilege to join David Cameron’s Leaders Group. Leaders Group membership led, in many cases, to a private dinner with the Prime Minister, which Taylor attended in Downing Street on November 2nd 2011. This was part of the “cash for access scandal”.

    Taylor’s political donations have also been criticised by Shadow Foreign Secretary Douglas Alexander. In 2011 questions were raised concerning Taylor’s relationship with Alan Duncan, the International Development Minister. Taylor and Duncan had worked together at Shell. Duncan lobbied for an ‘oil cell’ within the Foreign Office to control fuel supplies within Libya. For this the government received substantial support through Vitol plc. Civil service official were concerned that the behaviour was “encroaching too far on commercial purposes”. According to The Daily Mail, Ian Taylor “profited from the war in Libya” and his company received a $1 billion contract to supply oil to the Libyan rebels. This was described at the time as a “huge conflict of interest”.

    Douglas Alexander, Labour’s Shadow Foreign Secretary said, “Given Alan Duncan’s reported links with Vitol this curious briefing from within government actually raises more questions than it answers,”

    Did Ian Taylor gain influence within government for his £550,000? Why was Douglas Alexander concerned about Vitol’s relationship with the UK Government? Is Mr Alexander happy for Better Together to be receiving financial support from the same source?

    5) Iran and current business practices

    Vitol recently conceded, in September 2012, that it had broken sanctions on trading Iranian oil. According to Reuters, the company purchased 2 million barrels of fuel oil. This undercut Western efforts to isolate the Iranian regime, and brought further attention to Mr Taylor’s close relationship with the UK government.

    Is Vitol an ethical company and should Better Together accept support and funding from this source?

    Better Together have serious questions to answer

    This information raises serious questions – both for Ian Taylor and the ‘Better Together’ campaign.
    There cannot be a fair referendum if money is solicited from outwith Scotland or from rich Tory donors who do not vote in Scotland.
    There cannot be an open referendum if funding comes from unethical sources. Our politics is once again tarnish by ‘dirty money’ and vested corporate interests.
    This information also raises serious questions for the Scottish and UK media, who have not raised any of these question in relation to today’s donation announcement.
    There cannot be a fair or open referendum if the Scottish people are left in the dark. We need to have the facts. We need to know the truth.

    I hope this makes the case for funding alternative media in Scotland even clearer on our path to building a more equal, prosperous and peaceful Scotland.

    Michael Gray
    National Collective

  5. “Wonder what Thatcher’s war experience was like?”

    An interesting question. She went to university in 1943 although from age 18 she could’ve volunteered for the ATS or the WLA, by that time 90% of single women aged 18 to 60 were involved in some sort of war work. It’s possible she was involved with some kind of civil defence work when not at lectures but I can find no mention of it. The war ended before she turned 20 when she’d have been conscripted.

  6. “During her premiership Thatcher had the second-lowest average approval rating, at 40 percent, of any post-war Prime Minister. Polls consistently showed that she was less popular than her party.” (Wikipedia)

    Only the Patent Queen Victoria Funeral(tm) will do, then.

  7. “The Metropolitan Police has asked groups planning to demonstrate during or in advance of Margaret Thatcher’s funeral to make themselves known to officers so that their “right to protest can be upheld”.


  8. I like the bit where the Met is asking demonstrators for advance notice. I’m sure they will have squads of rioters standing by to create mischief, then the laws will be tightened that little bit further.
    She may be dead, but she can still be used to srew us down.

  9. “…their “right to protest can be upheld”….

    …in some secluded corner away from the cameras, no doubt.

  10. What Did You Do In The War, Daddy?

    Missed a trick there, Mary.

  11. Fantastic tribute to lady T – I especially like the speaker enforcing her right to say this at the end against a typically rotund torag who complained

    Glenda Jackson launches tirade against Thatcher in tribute debate

  12. One of her best performances…and I don’t think she’s acting, either. Great lady.

  13. re ROB ROYSTON at 12.55pm

    It has crossed my mind the way these things do whether in the vicinity (but only sort of) of the evening BRIXTON MAGGIE THATCHERS DEAD PARTY a day or 3 ago the shop front window of DR BARNARDO’S (second hand) STORE got busted – was it a party goer or an agent wanting to get bad media attention or some such. Its certainly been picked up by relatively pro Thatcher anti party media outlets. Anyway maybe more info will materialise.

  14. Just got in. Initially Komodo your Independent link at 1.17 made me laugh.

    Thatcher’s dad: mayor, preacher, groper
    Alderman Roberts of Grantham liked to squeeze more than his sausages, reports Keith Nuthall

    but reading on, I felt quite sick.

    Good find btw.

    The list of invitees includes Shillary, Jeremy Clarkson and de Klerk. Enough said. I don’t suppose Bush will appear. Too much of a security risk combined with Mr and Mrs T B.Liar

    Margaret Thatcher funeral guest list full of surprises
    – Michael Heseltine, man who toppled Thatcher from power, will attend funeral
    – Bill and Hilary Clinton, and George Bush Snr and George W Bush all invited
    – Sir Terry Wogan will also be a guest
    – Jeffrey Archer and wife Lady Archer will also go
    – Gorbachev unable to go because of health problems

    The very name Operation True Blue sticks in the craw. Designed to goad us I reckon.

  15. Likes are outnumbering dislikes by twenty to one on that Glenda Jackson speech linked above. 300,000 views already in less than a day! No reflection of the 20:1 ratio of approvals of Jackson to criticism in broadcast and print media of course.

    Definitely worth watching at “Glenda Jackson launches tirade against Thatcher in tribute debate”

  16. I have always believed that you leave people alone when it comes to a funeral. But Thatcher isn’t just anybody – her hands were soaked in blood, and, having said that there was no such thing as society, society is now paying for her disgusting funeral. Hence, I’m not bothered if someone blows the casket containing her worthless corpse sky-high – would be a fitting end to her life, given how those in power have deified this grotesque creature.

    Scum politician: “Look, there, up in the celestial heavens!”
    Other scum politician: “Dear Satan, it’s Maggie!”

    For anyone who missed the article in “The Nation” magazine, Google:

    “Why Would Anyone Celebrate the Death of Margaret Thatcher? Ask a Chilean”

    Not at all a comprehensive list of her crimes.

    Ozzy Osbourne’s “Mr Crowley” would be a fitting song to play at Thatcher’s funeral.

    Background: Aleister Crowley “was in revolt against the moral and religious values of his time, espousing a form of libertinism based upon the rule of ‘Do What Thou Wilt’. [He was] denounced as the wickedest man in the world”.

    RIP Margaret Crowley – let’s hope not!

  17. O/T A Palestinian photographer in the Aida refugee camp has been shot in the face with a rubber coated steel bullet by the IDF. What bastards.

    I have an English friend who works in the Lajee Centre in the Aida camp which is right up against the separation wall.

    PHOTOS: Israeli troops shoot Palestinian photographer in the face


    Israeli soldiers target a Palestinian photographer who was taking pictures of them invading Aida Refugee Camp, shooting him in the face with a rubber-coated steel bullet.

    Aida Camp Over 3,600 refugees lived in an area measuring 0.1 sq km 2006

    There is constant harassment by the Israelis.

  18. One I think little-known nugget is that she was believed brought into the world by the Roberts’ family doctor, who was the father of Nicholas Parsons of Just a Minute fame and Sale of the Century infamy. The great Sale of the Century came later and would be the shameless looting and ransacking of the public sector and nationalised industry, all the equipment, investment, premises, intellectual property, research, and land bought and paid for by the public through subsidy and in many cases necessary nationalisation through private ownership’s ineptitude and serial failure and greed, unerringly running a string of companies with strong futures into the ground for the short-term fast buck. Privatisation then landed all in the lap of the grasping few, who from then on exploited to the max the golden gift-horse of accumulated post-war national endeavour, brains and hard graft, bilking everyone of their share and their equal right as owner-citizens. The nationalised industries and public sector were all of ours, we were all proud shareholders in mighty enterprises, and who lost all in this shocking, regressive transfer from the many to the few; in the annals of crime, these privatisations were the greatest grandest thefts known in this country … until 2008.

  19. doug scorgie

    11 Apr, 2013 - 4:32 pm


    On tonight’s LIVE show georgegalloway will be discussing the legacy and death of Margaret Thatcher. It’s a show not to be missed!

  20. resident dissident

    11 Apr, 2013 - 4:45 pm

    “O/T A Palestinian photographer in the Aida refugee camp has been shot in the face with a rubber coated steel bullet by the IDF. What bastards.”

    The IDF are not the only bastards attacking Palestinian refugee camps

    Or is there some sort of double standard woring here?

  21. An hour and a half’s silence here for the victim of Israeli violence.

    I was ready to let byegones begone bye-bye. Until the gonks in grey suits announced the Triumphal funeral. I just watched Glenda J and Tony Benn about Thatcher.

    Why don’t they put Paddy Ashdown and Nick Clegg in the coffin with Maggie and burn them all together as a way of thanking them for bringing back Thatcherism in the 21st Century?

  22. I would only disagree with Guano on the small but important point that the Liberals, Social Democrats, The Alliance, the Liberal Democrats, the Atanticists, the Gaitskellites or whatever these shape shifting morphing opportunist slime call themselves today – they were responsible for giving us Thatcherism in the 20th Century too, the Falklands were fuck-all except to the died-in-the-wool True Blue BritNat fascists, the Murdoch empire, the coke-snorting addled yuppies, the banking and dealing set, sundry moronic flag-waving hangers-on plus the Zionists who hung like flies round shite to a cause as rotten, venal and pustulent as their own – it was the SDP/Liberal Alliance who escorted, aided and abetted the Tories to power in 1983, playing the third party, split opposition trick that fragmented the over-whelming majority anti-Tory vote; in ’83 voting for the Lib/Dems – as much part of the fake opposition as New Labour are today – delivered Thatcher to power, a thin mandate distorted to empower a dictatorship through the two-plus-one party stranglehold and the intentional vagaries and outrages resulting from first-past-the-post.

  23. More on her relations with Pinochet. I remember her stage-managed media event visit to the Pinochets who were living under so-called house arrest near Wentworth. He was supposed to be dying upwards at the time but survived until 2006. The disgusting Straw released him in 2000 overturning the House of Lords decision to extradite him. When Pinochet got back to Chile he got out of his wheelchair.

    ‘The 84-year-old emerged from the plane in a wheelchair and was lowered in a truck with an improvised elevator to the tarmac. The head of the Chilean armed forces General Ricardo Izurieta was the first to greet him, embracing the former president warmly. He then stood up, aided by a walking stick, to greet army chiefs and relatives. An army band played some of the general’s favourite tunes as he lifted his arms to the cheering crowds in acknowledgement.’

    He and Mrs T will now be reunited.

    Neruda, Pinochet, and the Iron Lady
    April 10, 2013
    Posted by Jon Lee Anderson

    An article by Sir Geoffrey Bindman below which explains how Pinochet evaded extradition to Spain and which corrects Joshua Rozenberg’s piece on Lord Hoffmann’s role in the case.

  24. This is in several comments because the original with many links is still awaiting moderation since 11.29 a.m.


    If anyone wants to know more about the Ian Taylor legal shutdown of here are some links posted by:

    Alasdair Martin. “I see some people are debating the National Collective issue. Here are some links from the article in question, all are from well known mainstream news organisations and all refer either to Ian Taylor or Vitol, the company of which he is CEO.

    Remember, I’m not alleging anything, just sharing some links to mainstream news websites.

    “The other senior politician being dragged into the action is the Tory, Alan Duncan, whom Moussavi intends to call as a witness. Duncan, former Tory vice-chairman and a supporter of Michael Portillo, was a paid consultant to Vitol in the early 1990s. He worked with Vitol’s president, Ian Taylor, at Shell and remains a close friend. ”

  25. The Yarmouk referred to earlier is not the arms factory in Sudan which the Israelis attacked with missiles.

    It is best to know the facts about Yarmouk on the outskirts of Damascus and there is great difficulty in attempting to find out. It is a very complicated and tragic situation. Nobody knows the true state of affairs as a lot of is supposition and hearsay from the Syrian Observatory of Human Rights run by a guy in a flat in the Midlands I understand. There are half a million Palestinian refugees in Syria and they have nowhere to go.

    Ramzy Baroud writes:

    Syria is now the latest episode of that long drawn tragedy, which is being manifested in unprecedented ways since the Lebanese civil war (1975-1990) and the Israeli invasions of Lebanon (1978 and 1982). There are twelve refugee camps in Syria. Nine of them are registered as official camps by the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) and have a population of more than 496,000 refugees. Yarmouk alone, near Damascus, hosts an estimated 150,000 refugees. This camp has been a recurring target for various militant groups and Syrian forces. Other camps have also been targeted in the brutal conflict, including Dera’a, Husseinieh and Neirab among others.

    Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed in Syria. They were either caught in the bloody conflict between the Syrian government and the opposition, or were purposely targeted for one pretext or another. The most recent violence, which nearly emptied Yarmouk, began on Dec. 14 when Islamist militants reportedly attacked Palestinian fighters loyal to the Syrian government of President Bashar Assad. A counterattack involving an airstrike left Yarmouk littered with many dead and wounded. An exodus followed and a new chapter of the Palestinian odyssey was being forcefully written, draped with blood and more atrocious memories. Tens of thousands fled. Some made it to the very crowded Palestinian camps in Lebanon. Others were refused entry, only to camp in Damascus parks, once more queuing for UN handouts. The World Food Programs seems to be in charge of feeding the refugees. According to a recent statement, the UN group is coordinating its effort with UNRWA, the Syrian Arab Red Crescent (SARC), UN Children’s Agency UNICEF, and the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR).

  26. 2)

    “Vitol, which had $114 billion of revenue in 2006, will pay restitution of $13 million to Iraq and $4.5 million to cover the cost of prosecution, Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau said in a statement.

    Vitol is one of the world’s largest independent physical oil trading companies. It admitted to paying $13 million in kickbacks to Iraqi officials under Saddam Hussein to win oil supply contracts, and the plea ended the New York investigation.”

  27. 3)

    ” The Geneva-based company, which has offices in London, is thought to have operated an ‘employee benefit trust’ (EBT) for more than a decade.

    Such schemes, which were used by more than 2,000 companies, allowed employees to avoid paying income tax and companies to avoid national insurance contributions. ”

  28. 4)

    “Ian Taylor and wife: Ian Taylor is the president and chief executive of the world’s largest oil trader Vitol. He has been involved in the oil business for more than 30 years. Mr Taylor has donated £555,100 to the party since June 2006.” –

    see also the guardian for general details of the controversy –

  29. 5)

    GOVERNMENT ADMITS ALAN DUNCAN’S LINKS TO COMPANY IN ‘LIBYAN OIL CELL’ [see article for links to Taylor and Vitol]
    “It is said to have played a discreet but crucial role in the campaign in Libya by helping to enforce the sanctions regime to prevent Gaddafi importing and exporting oil while allowing oil to reach the rebels in the east. That oil came via one company, Vitol.

    Duncan, a former oil trader and multi-millionaire, has had a 30-year friendship with the managing director of Vitol, Ian Taylor, at one point operating as a consultant to the company and as a non-executive director to a subsidiary firm. Taylor has also been a Tory donor, declared on Duncan’s parliamentary register of interests.”

  30. 6)

    “Mr Taylor, 55, is the president and group chief executive of the Swiss multinational Vitol, the third biggest oil trading company in the world with revenues of £186billion last year. He personally donated £466,000 to the Tories under David Cameron.

    Mr Taylor is a close friend of Alan Duncan, who in opposition received tens of thousands of pounds from Mr Taylor via donations to the Tories.

    Mr Duncan had further links with Vitol by serving as a non-executive director of Arawak Energy, an off-shoot of Vitol, before he was a minister.

    Mr Taylor, from a Scottish family, went to the private King’s School, Macclesfield, and studied politics, philosophy and economics at Oxford. After a stint at Shell, which he joined after graduating, he joined Vitol in 1985.

    Vitol is no stranger to controversy. Last year after it was revealed that the company was supplying oil to the rebels in Libya ‘largely without upfront payments’ in the hope of gaining oil deals later.

    In 2007, the firm pleaded guilty to paying money in violation of the UN’s oil for food programme into accounts it knew were controlled by the Iraqi Government’s State Oil Marketing Organisation during Saddam Hussein’s presidency. It paid US$13m to the Iraqi people by way of restitution and US$4.5m to the New York District Attorney in lieu of fines. The firm is also reported to have paid $1million to the notorious Serbian war criminal Arkan to act as a fixer on a business deal in the 1990s.”

  31. 7)

    “The International Development minister has privately boasted that the ‘Duncan plan’ helped to topple Gaddafi.

    But he faces criticism over his links to Vitol and Mr Taylor who has given at least £200,000 to the Conservatives, some of which was used to pay for Mr Duncan’s secretary in 2008. The top Tory has also served as a non-executive director of Arawak Energy, an off-shoot of Vitol before he was a minister.”

  32. 8)

    “Privately-held Vitol SA is led by its long-time CEO Ian Taylor, a Briton. Taylor was among leading donors to Britain’s ruling Conservative Party named in March by the Prime Minister’s office as having dined with David Cameron at his private apartment in Downing Street amid the fall-out from a “cash for access” party funding scandal. Britain is a vociferous critic of Tehran’s nuclear programme and a leading advocate of the EU sanctions.”

    “The company, run by Ian Taylor, admitted it had allowed its Bahraini subsidiary to buy a cargo of fuel oil of Iranian origin in July – after the EU had imposed sanctions on Iranian oil trades. “”

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    I left that in to make the mods smile though not much to smile about myself.

    My computer has been down since I posted the original, that I’ve just cut into sizeable chunks, due to a virus called Delta Search which loads itself and downloads everything you do to upload its own search routines. It is very hard to remove and associated with other viruses like Comodo (I thought of you Komodo).

  34. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    11 Apr, 2013 - 6:14 pm

    “The nationalised industries and public sector were all of ours, we were all proud shareholders in mighty enterprises,….” (Cryptonym, 16h27)

    Proud shareholders? Railways strikes. Long waits for ‘phones.

    Mighty entreprises? Mightily subsidised entreprises. Three day weeks.

    Are we talking about the UK in the 1970s?


    La vita è bella, life is good! (fight against amnesia)

  35. resident dissident

    11 Apr, 2013 - 7:06 pm

    OF course this particular bastard has some form in attacking Palesininian refugee camps

    And those rather closer to the action than Mary are pretty clear on who is behind the violence

  36. doug scorgie

    11 Apr, 2013 - 7:10 pm

    resident dissident
    11 Apr, 2013 – 4:45 pm

    “The IDF are not the only bastards attacking Palestinian refugee camps.”

    You are right and all involved should be condemned.

    “After fierce battles on Sunday, 16 December 2012, Palestinian neutrality in the Syrian crisis collapsed completely as the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and Islamist fighters overran most of the Yarmouk Palestinian refugee camp in Damascus.”

    “The battle over the Yarmouk refugee camp between the Free Syrian Army and Islamists, on one side, and the Syrian security forces and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC), on the other, intensified over the past few days.”

    So the situation is far from straight forward in Syria.

  37. Whatever your opinion of Thatcher, we can all agree on one point: Her death can be good for the country.

    Thatcher’s Death: Good For Britain?

  38. Jonangus Mackay

    11 Apr, 2013 - 7:41 pm

    Lest we forget. The Thatchers have more in common with Jimmy Savile than politics & Christmas:

  39. In a Big Country

    11 Apr, 2013 - 7:45 pm

    John Goss

    Ian Taylor and Vitol’s lawyers are shutting down all comments on their dubious activities.

    Although previously attacked by Labour MPs as “dirty money” when Ian Taylor donated to the Tory party, Alistair Darling is happy to accept Taylor’s £500,000 donation to the Better Together anti Scottish independence grouping “in good faith” despite fact that Taylor deosn’t even have a vote in the forthcoming referendum

  40. doug scorgie

    11 Apr, 2013 - 8:00 pm

    “In agreement with Lady Thatcher’s representatives, around 200 states, territories and international organisations are being invited to send an official representative to the funeral service. We have invited those countries and institutions with whom we have normal diplomatic relations.”

    Uzbekistan? Saudi Arabia?

  41. From memory, Stephen Sizer is a friend of Craig’s.

    This is a letter which Rev Sizer and others have written to the new Archbishop of Canterbury.

    9th April 2013

    Dear Archbishop Justin,

    We write as representatives of organisations and as individuals who are deeply involved in the search for peace with justice in the Holy Land to express our deep concern over the remarks that have been attributed to you in a recent interview with the newspaper “Jewish News”. Amongst the aspects of the interview with which we were most saddened were that you regretted not voting against the General Synod decision to support EAPPI.

    As you know, the main criticism that was levelled against EAPPI before the vote was, in the words of one of their more strident opponents, that it created “a cohort of very partisan but very motivated anti-Israel advocates who have almost no grasp of the suffering of normal Israelis”.

    However, EAPPI seeks a just solution to the problems in the Holy Land that will benefit both Palestinians and Israelis. It operates in terms of what it calls “principled impartiality” with its Code of Conduct stating: “We do not take sides in this conflict and we do not discriminate against anyone but we are not neutral in terms of principles of human rights and international humanitarian law. We stand faithfully with the poor, the oppressed and the marginalized. We want to serve all parties in this conflict in a fair and unbiased manner in word and action.”

    In our experience, all Ecumenical Accompaniers are scrupulous in their determination to be fair to all sides in their work, as befits both the programme and the senior positions they often hold as Church leaders, in the legal profession, as teachers and many other areas.

    Its participants are given a full briefing on a wide variety of Israeli perspectives including taking an extended tour of the Holocaust Museum and travel to Sderot to meet Israeli people affected by rockets fired from Gaza. Their discussions with Israelis also include briefings from those who work with Palestinians most directly – some of whom wrote most powerfully in support of EAPPI when it came under its most sustained attack.


  42. If Pinochet would be still alive he would be invited, on special leave from his open prison, and waht if Jimmy Saville would be still alive?

    would he be let out for the ceremonies if there was a, ehem… royal request for allowing him to grieve, I’m sure he would not get to see her on the embalming table, and what if a man can’t give a woman a decent sent of? rah rah, bluster blab and he would get 48 hrs. leave from his sextuple life sentence.

    Total media blackout, one wonders what margaret’s last service was and how many dastardly schemes and policies have been pushed off the news agenda for this now nausea inducing adoration.

  43. Thanks for that link Doug Scorgie. As you say and as I said, the situation is complex. There are no black and whites and the reports coming out from Lebanon are unsubstantiated as Jim Muir so often tells us.

    This is Billy Boy’s version of the G8 Foreign Ministers meeting. Yards and yards of it. This is what he had to say on Syria. I think the situation has got him foxed especially the newly declared support for Al Qaeda from one of the rabble rebel groups.

    The Middle East


    G8 Foreign Ministers expressed deep concerns about the increasing human tragedy of the conflict in Syria. They were appalled that more than 70,000 people have been killed in the conflict and that there are now more than a million Syrian refugees registered by the UNHCR in neighbouring countries, and more than two million internally displaced persons in Syria. They acknowledged the importance of neighbouring countries’ efforts in hosting refugees, and stressed the need for the international community to help the most affected neighbouring countries. They called on all countries to join with them in maximising their contributions to the latest UN appeals and to provide them with direct support in order to help them face this challenging situation.

    Against this desperate background, the Ministers reaffirmed their commitment to supporting a Syrian-led political transition, and the work of Joint UN and Arab League Special Representative Brahimi, based on the principles set out in the Geneva Communiqué. This transition should meet the legitimate aspirations of the Syrian people and enable them to democratically and independently determine their own future. They called for the UN Security Council to remain seized of this matter. The Ministers condemned in the strongest possible terms all human rights violations and abuses in Syria and called on all sides to respect international humanitarian and human rights law, noting the particular responsibility of the Syrian authorities in this regard. They welcomed efforts to document all crimes for the purposes of future accountability.

    The Ministers condemned the ongoing use of heavy weapons against residential areas and reaffirm their view that any use of chemical weapons would demand a serious international response. To this end, the Ministers reaffirmed the importance of safeguarding sites where any such weapons are held.

    The humanitarian situation in Syria is deplorable and continues to worsen. The Ministers called for greater humanitarian assistance and for improved and safe access to the Syrian people by humanitarian agencies in co-ordination with all parties to the conflict.

    Ms Jolie seems to have upstaged him at the press conference as Mr Marcus of the BBC confirms.

    ‘When all was said and done it was the film actress – Angelina Jolie – who stole the show. And this was not just due to her star quality. The nuclear dialogue with Iran is going nowhere. North Korea is unlikely to be deterred by the strong words coming from the G8 in London. And the Syrian crisis is doubly intractable because the UN Security Council is divided, with Russia and China opposing any strong statements, let alone action. So this was a meeting of the G8 that emphasised the art of the possible.

    The measures taken to combat sexual violence in armed conflict were thrust into the limelight. Many will say that a scourge that has afflicted societies from the Balkans to Africa and now the Middle East merits this kind of attention. But its billing at this G8 is a measure not just of its importance but of the intractability of so many of the other issues facing the premier league of world diplomats.’

  44. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    11 Apr, 2013 - 8:27 pm

    Doug “Son of Mary” Scorgie bleats at 19h10:

    “resident dissident
    11 Apr, 2013 – 4:45 pm

    “The IDF are not the only bastards attacking Palestinian refugee camps.”

    You are right and all involved should be condemned.”


    Yes indeed, Doug. Funny though that you never seem to condemn Presdent Assad on your own initiative. Why do you always have to wait until prompted?


    La vita è bella, life is good! (spot the hypocrite)

  45. Sorry about your computer virus John. Could Clark help out on its removal? Any idea where it was picked up?

  46. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    11 Apr, 2013 - 9:12 pm

    “A world without nuclear weapons would be less stable and more dangerous for all of us.”

    Margaret Thatcher—-

    Than you, wikileaks


    ‘Green thinks that the government now has to make quick work of removing these tactical nuclear weapons. This should ideally take place within NATO, but if there is no agreement would be that Belgium must negotiate bilaterally with the U.S.. That which nuclear weapons are there, we knew by now. But the real secret is that nuclear weapons today are totally useless. They will however, be dangerous. All military experts agree that these tactical (short-range) nuclear weapons have no military utility more in the current European context. These useless weapons remain a genuine security for our country when it comes to terrorist attacks. About the security of the site of Kleine Brogel has after numerous incidents nobody illusions. ”

  47. @John, for viruses, try “Outpost Firewall Pro” – a top firewall with virus protection, too (with PCs, though, install two virus scanners just to be on the safe side). If you’ve got a Mac, there’s “Sophos”.

    Cameron was on TV a moment ago, blubbering and sobbing. He said, Tory MPs are traumatised by recent events and Parliament is allocating a further £50 million of the public’s money to build a restaurant/cafe/bar/entertainment/hotel complex next door to the House of Commons to help MPs get over the deep psychological scars caused by Maggie Savile Pinochet Crowley Thatcher’s death.

  48. O/T The campaign against Homebase using workfare is going well. ‘
    Toffs paying spivs to exploit the poor and unemployed’ I think is how it goes.

    Workfare Wednesday: We won’t stop until you do Homebase!

    Their Facebook page. See the comments.

  49. Mary G8 above:

    ‘Against this desperate background, the Ministers reaffirmed their commitment to supporting a Syrian-led political transition, and the work of Joint UN and Arab League Special Representative Brahimi, based on the principles set out in the Geneva Communiqué. This transition should meet the legitimate aspirations of the Syrian people and enable them to democratically and independently determine their own future.’

    In other words the G8 agreed to do nothing and the UN agreed to do nothing so that their planned destruction of Syria can continue unhindered.

    The objective of this destruction is to force the Sunni Muslims, including the millions displaced from neighbouring countries like Iraq + Kurdistan, or Palestine, to submit to a particular version of Islam, the Zionist compliant Muslim Brotherhood, which is in league with the Turkish Zionist compliant Gulen Islam and Egypt’s Mursi government.

    The brand of Islam that was in place in Turkey, Syria, Jordan and Kurdistan, is labelled Sufism by the western-backed Salafists because they had all managed their conduct under the Dictators in a non-political way. Plenty of spies to enforce that system. The system had the advantage that religious disputes would result in punishment. Mullahs spoke only, but fully, about the main texts of the Qur’an and Hadith without being able to engage in political struggle amongst themselves.
    That was a very pure system and sorely missed by Muslims.

    The labelling of the enforcedly un-political Muslims as Sufi was libellous and deceitful because Sufism is a deviation from the main texts. The absence of political struggle from their Islam was due only to the dictators’ persecution ( controlled obviously by the Zionists and the West ). You are even allowed to eat pork if you are forced to do so against your will, so you are allowed to remain un-political if you are forced to do so.

    The Salafists’ condemnation of this stagnant state of religious practise, which is often reported as emanating from Saudi Arabia, causing disaster and carnage in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq, is in fact a creation of the Zionist West. We know now, but we did not know then, that 9/11 for which UBL took responsibility was not done by him. The purpose was not only to give an excuse for the carpet bombing of Afghanistan up to and including the present drone bombardments, but also to mislead the Muslims into attacking the genuine Muslims, the custodians of Islam, who were not Sufis, but who had remained politically inactive.

    The purpose of the drones is to mop up and destroy those learned men and women have survived the internecine slaughter caused by bthe Zionists. The enemies of Islam do not want Islam to be a religion of depth, of soul, of humanity, of social justice. They want Islam to be shallow, vindictive, sectarian and summary in justice. They do not want Islam’s jurists to consider the background of a case, in which it might be discovered that a transgressor might actually themselves be a victim of a corrupt authority, which the Jurists ought to challenge instead.

    What we have in Syria is represented as being sponsored and funded by Saudi Arabia in order to convince the Sunni Muslims of its legitimacy. It is in fact, in my opinion, being funded by the Zionists, by us, by our banking collapse. The Saudis have for thousands of years concentrated on the maintainence of the Hajj, and they have leant over backwards to collude, fund, mollify, contain the threats of the Zionist West. But at the end of the day the Qur’an is their language and they know better than anyone what Islam is. They are also not able, because they are themselves so compromised in their preservation of the Hajj, to influence what is being done in the name of Islam, or what is being done in their own name, even in the countries of their nearest neighbours.

    If Saudi Arabia had funded the Western Zionist insurrection in Syria they would have made provision for the victims. They know better than anyone that they are accountable for the victim sufferings. Salafism, as in purity of religion and adherence to the first examples of Islam is detested by the Western/ Zionist jihadi Salafists because it is un-political. They hate the Saudi Salafists who understand that the carnage of Muslims is against their religion. They will openly describe what is happening in Syria as ‘ a very good thing ‘. And because they are in alliance with the Zionist/West they do think that the destruction of Syria and its people is ‘ a very good thing’.

    I know readers here have no stomach for the complexities of religion, but in order to understand Syria one has to understand that the Alawi religion is the embodiment of the opposite of Islam. The dictators Assad, Saddam, Gaddafi stood on nationalism, which has no place in Islam. They stood on Masonism, and every haram/forbidden thing, adultery, drinking, magic, tortue and oppression of every kind. The dictators that were aging needed to be replaced with new, obedient slaves to Zionism. Assad is young, well-groomed and well trained in his duties to the Zionist West. He is well armed by comrade Putin.
    The enemy is not Assad. The enemy is the Muslims of Syria, who have to be bent to the will of the New World Order’s patent version of conscience-free Islam. Enslaved to the political thugs who pose as Mullahs but who murder the beloved Mullahs of Islam and rejoice in them being droned in Yemen and Pakistan while they twiddle their thumbs in London..

  50. Thanks Richard II. I’ve found something even worse, a Trojan called Yontoo. I’ve been having problems for a while. None of the protection software programs seem to pick it up. It infects the registry and replicates in different guises. It’s driving me mad.

    Thanks Mary and everyone for your concerns. Comodo came in on the back of Firefox from EZ DOWNLOAD without being intentionally requested. But it is probably Yontoo that enables the viruses. But not sure. Anyway be careful everyone.

  51. Mary and Komodo, I agree, Glenda Jackson made a great extempore speech. She was backed up by the Speaker too when a pompous fart got on his legs trying to support a woman who caused this country so much harm.

  52. Thanks for the additional info In A Big Country.

  53. Bad luck John.


    More important than this wretched funeral are the elections in Venezuela on Sunday.

    Good luck to Maduro.

    I see Capriles is actually Radonski.

  54. I was reading up on Savile’s contacts with Thatcher, and spotted an article about Johnny Rotten. Rotten says the public should have some respect for Thatcher’s death and stop the celebrations.

    Three words for Rotten and those like him: “A Christmas Carol” (1951). Go to the part where Scrooge meets the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come; Scrooge is dead, and no one cares!

    Charles Dickens understood poverty and suffering; Rotten & Co understand nothing except their own money-soaked lives.

    To those like him, I find it repugnant that politicians have put thousands of disabled and seriously ill into an early grave – and driven others to suicide! – just because of a fanatical desire to privatise & profit from everything – even medical assessments! – even death itself!

    I find their craven threats & vacuous insults repulsive in the extreme.

    It is sickening to watch MPs guffaw in Parliament, not giving a damn about the deaths they have caused, the lives they have ruined, and then award ATOS (an IT company) another £400 million contract for a job well done.

    If people want to celebrate Thatcher’s death, let them!


    If people don’t like such celebrations, then they should have done something about Thatcher and the Tories before they completely ruined this country. What did Johnny Rotten do? He buggered off to the US to enjoy life. Another useless rich c*nt trying to lecture the rest of us.

    John Lydon should go back to flogging butter in TV commercials – that’s his forte, not politics!

  55. John Goss: have you tried Roguekiller? It’s pretty impressive.

  56. @John, if I were you, I’d reinstall the OS – assuming that’s a viable option for you. Make sure you back everything up first, of course.

  57. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    11 Apr, 2013 - 10:46 pm

    Operation Gladio; ‘Natch !

    “In an interview with the website ArticoloTre , Imposimato, who was in the house Also Involved Involving the kidnapping and murder of former Italian Prime Minister Aldo Moro, Said That he “found a document That left me appalled” implicating the Bilderberg Group in conspiring with the far right organization Ordine Nuovo to commit terror attacks.

    Speaking of unsolved murders in Italy and the document in his possession, Imposimato Stated, “When it comes to slaughter Also it speaks of the Bilderberg Group. I believe this document. I did some tests and I can say That behind the strategy of tension and the Slaughters Also there is the Bilderberg group, a sort of Big Brother is over, maneuvering, using terrorists and Masons. ‘

    The “strategy of tension” Refers to a policy under the auspices of Operation Gladio , a NATO cold war “stay behind” That project sought to create an expedient political climate in Europe by having its agents carry out terror attacks Which were then blamed on Both far left and far right political groups.”

  58. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    11 Apr, 2013 - 10:46 pm

    Mary, at 22h14, breathlessly informs us that :

    “I see Capriles is actually Radonski.”


    So what?

    As usual with Spanish surnames, both the father’s surname (Capriles) and the mother’s surname (Radonski) are used.

    I understand that a couple of Capriles’ grandparents were Jewish or of Jewish origin.

    Is this why Mary the Not-Anti-Semite is mentioning it?


    La vita è bella, life is good! (at it again…?)

  59. Breathing is fine. Not ‘breathless’ at all.

  60. Who bills Capriles as the ‘charismatic Catholic grandson of Holocaust survivors’? Why, it’s The Times of Israel, time and time again. Why do they do they have to draw attention to that? They should be interrogated.

    Venezuelan opposition leader to run for president
    Henrique Capriles Radonski, a Catholic grandson of Jewish Holocaust survivors, faces a tough battle ahead of April elections

    Grandson of Holocaust survivors takes on Chavez legacy
    Henrique Capriles faces off against incumbent Nicolas Maduro as Venezuela candidates ratchet up campaigns

    Venezuelan opposition nominates candidate with Jewish roots
    Henrique Capriles Radonski, the Catholic grandson of Jewish Holocaust survivors, to decide Sunday if he will run again to succeed Chavez

    PS I saw on the same website that the French Chief Rabbi has resigned for plagiarism and incorrect details on his CV apparently.

  61. Poll On Radio Times website

    Should Radio 1 play Ding Dong the Witch is Dead on the Official Chart Show?

    Yes 89.15% (6,581 votes)

    No 7.69% (568 votes)

    Don’t know 0.73% (54 votes)

    Don’t care 2.42% (179 votes)

    as of posting.

  62. On Amazon MP3 store the number one selling song is currently “Ding Dong the witch is dead”. Amazon currently advises visitors:

    Customers who bought this song also bought…

    Tramp The Dirt Down by Elvis Costello

    The Day That Thatcher Dies by Hefner

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    Ding Dong is 69p on Amazon.

  63. Blair v. Miliband Guardian:

    ‘Blair directly challenged Miliband’s belief that the financial crash and the subsequent recession has created an appetite for a remodelling of capitalism from the left. The former premier wrote: “The paradox of the financial crisis is that, despite being widely held to have been caused by under-regulated markets, it has not brought a decisive shift to the left. ‘

    No, Mr false-flag Zion-dwelling nut-case, we do not think the financial crisis was caused by under-regulated markets. We think it was caused by criminals in the banking system who blackmailed you personally and professionally into launching an un-provoked war against the Muslim world which has destroyed the lives of millions of people.

    Mrs Thatcher was right to promote enterprise and wrong to attack the Unions and the Welfare state that had taken centuries to build.

    The Banking problem did not come from left or right, or banking regulation or not regulation. It came from bribery, corruption, spineless lack of moral judgement and refusal to stand up to vested interests.

    i.e you, Mr Blair. Not Mrs Thatcher, you.

  64. That quote stood out here Komodo- welcome back 😉 -and that quote stank like a cesspit! –

    Interestingly I wrote that ‘reply’ without viewing past your first post Komodo.

    On reading I noticed the word ‘ceespit’ reappeared – an altogether disturbing tremor in the energy field(“as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced)…

  65. I find it very strange that Thatcher died while staying at the Ritz, why was she there ?, why was she not at one of the homes she owned in and around London ?. She was after all very sick and confused suffering from advanced dementia.

  66. guano

    Miliband has no intention of “remodelling of capitalism from the left”, he is just saying that as he thinks there will be votes in saying such at the next election and Blair knows that. As for Blair saying as he has, well, he thinks it will help him to gain support from european leaders, big money support when he runs for president of the european council. All a very sophisticated, clever deception, manipulation, distortion, and falsification to once again fool people to vote for them.

  67. Hi It seems that she could not manage stairs. Surely, it would have been easy to convert a downstairs room in her Belgravia house to a bedroom. Many families with fewer means than the Thatcher family make such arrangements. The son and daughter do not appear to have been around much. They will now inherit £millions presumably.

  68. Breaking news on BBC.

    US Secretary of State John Kerry arrives in South Korea amid heightened tensions in the region

    Should read

    US Secretary of State John Kerry arrives in South Korea to heighten tensions in the region

    You should have heard the propaganda on Radio 4 this morning. The North Koreans are so hungry and are resorting to cannibalism. A child is photographed starving on the street, etc etc but they now have the capability to attach nuclear devices to their missiles! Blah. Blah. The puerility of their propaganda is insulting.

    The back story on the missiles.

  69. Guano, I’m reading your posts re internal political dynamics in the Muslim world with keen interest. Within the very tight restraints of blog commentary, you write very well. I don’t agree with your position on 9/11, but that is not necessary for the validity of your other observations. Some good primer links would be appreciated tho’ if you have any.

  70. How the West Fueled the Ever-Growing Carnage in Syria
    The actions of the United States and its allies in Syria have only led to escalating violence and chaos.

  71. English Knight

    12 Apr, 2013 - 8:52 am

    The Great Satan used to be under the management of Elvis Presley the WASP, it is now under an even deadlier new management, Kerry the crypto – got himself sent home from Vietnam as a hero with a Purple Heart after only seeing FOUR weeks of active combat duty. The N Koreans are furious, their spies in the South have been led to believe of a US preemptive strike. NOTHING of the kind – Cohen is just readying people, psyops for a previously taboo/unthinkable nuclear strike on Iran – as usual the Russian with Primakovs in their midst have been lulled into a deep slumber. The Iranians will simply run over Azerbaijan and the sauds – and we have a full scale war on our hands.Turkey, the only “Western” force that can supply boots on the ground will be sucked in, with NATO and Russia closely behind. The Hezbollah are just waiting to unleash a couple of the 3,000 Soviet era TNW shells “lost”, and once again like in Iraq the Americans will have been chalbi’d into an Iranian trap.

  72. English Knight

    12 Apr, 2013 - 9:03 am

    Any 911 “deniers” are invited to comment on the perfectly round 12ft exit hole made on the inside perimeter of the Pentagon. By a soft aluminium nose cone (dented even by birds in flight) of a 757 that had already traveled ONE HUNDRED YARDS and through the outer wall and 6 ft of reinforced concrete walls and columns in the innards of the structure.QED.

  73. “…The son and daughter do not appear to have been around much.”

    Given Margaret’s warm and generous personality, I cannot imagine why this might be.

    Mark- you thought Victorian governments were bad? Take a look at the Hanoverian era. Nearly as bad as the present lot for patronage, nepotism and naked greed. Though vastly more cultured and interesting.

    Fellow-cynics: what is the reason for this?
    So far, I can only find the bald statement that they won’t be coming. No reasons given. Very strange, considering that Thatch and Bush41 were dancing cheek to cheek on Gulf 1, and I don’t recall any major dispute between her and the chimp subsequently. Would it give an ambiguous message to, say, Argentina, if the Bushes attended?

  74. Russell Brand: thoughtful piece: not incompatible concepts after all….

    First time I’ve ever agreed with him. Unconditionally. Throughout.

  75. I read that piece by Russell Brand and concur with your view Komodo.

    I should imagine the non-attendance by the Bush brigade was designed to reduce the security risks. I think Bush senior is in poor health.

    Bad enough too for the plods to have all the other warmongers in one place. Have you seen the female officer in charge. No messing.

    Police warning over Margaret Thatcher funeral crime

    Her photo here

  76. I think it would rather short-circuit the police precautions if those protesting decided not to celebrate, but to mourn. Very solemnly and respectably, in appropriately funereal dress, and with a coffin of their own, prominently labelled “DEMOCRACY” and placards to match. Assembly as flash mob, distributed along route from St Clements to Westminster, looking exactly like Daily Mail readers; join procession as it passes. Just thinking out loud, Christine. Don’t waste your time looking for me on Facebook…

  77. O/T, but of general interest here, I think.

    The Los Angeles Times Editorial Board has come out swinging for the US government to drop the case against Bradley Manning.

    A Wikileaks way out:,0,4937165.story

    Meanwhile, the BBC has given a Thumbs Up to the Wikileaks PlusD Public Library of US Diplomacy:

    Correctly identifies the real value in having the Kissinger Cables so widely and easily accessible – as one of the central architects of modern-day ‘real-politick’, Kissinger’s modus operandi has been followed pretty much ever since across what the US sees as its empire.

    Much more sympathetic treatment of Assange Swedish case in this article too – given the BBC’s status as UK state broadcaster, I wonder if that signals the UK government is not quite as convinced of its need to “fulfil its legal obligation to extradite Assange” as it once was?

  78. The MI5 threat level for international terrorism in the UK at present is considered “substancial.”


    “Dissident republicans are planning a terror attack to coincide with the funeral of former UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.”

    “CRACK SAS and SBS units will be deployed for Baroness Thatcher’s London funeral in Britain’s biggest security operation since the Olympic Games.”

    “One threat is thought to be from IRA renegades harbouring a deep hatred of Lady Thatcher.”

    “Islamic fanatics pose another risk…”

    All this is well known and obvious so why is the government putting the public at a higher level of risk when a quiet private funeral would pose little risk?

  79. MJ

    “John Goss: have you tried Roguekiller? It’s pretty impressive.

    I tried to download this but unless it works in background I don’t know what happened to it. A search does not find it. But strangely my PC appears to be running faster. We’ll see. Thanks.

  80. All those, I think Craig’s one, who are sceptical about there being no prior knowledge in the 9/11 controlled demolitions, might be a little less sceptical after reading this.

  81. Err, Rooke was not allowed to present his “evidence” on 9/11 to the court because the judge ruled it was irrelevant; and rightly so too.

    Rooke was made to pay £200 costs, given a six month conditional discharge and told to get a TV Licence. What that means is that if he doesn’t buy a TV Licence within the next six months he’s going to be back in court.

    Only the perverse reasoning of the “truth” movement could describe that as a win.

  82. Mary, Thanks for the answer to my question.

    “Africa: EU Agrees Landmark Anti-Corruption Law for Global Resource Companies”

  83. Kempe, his evidence is the truth about what happened. You are just a blind supporter of injustice. You cannot deny the truth of his claims. The video footage shows the tower standing when the announcer announced it was down. What is wrong with your reasoning? The judge is part of the establishment. He had to find for the establishment or the rest of us would all be queuing-up for licence refunds. It does not change the facts.

  84. John Goss: that’s odd. Roguekiller doesn’t run in the background. When you did the search did you tick the ‘Show hidden files’ box? It might be interesting to start the download again, direct it to the same location and see if it asks if you want to overwrite.

  85. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Apr, 2013 - 12:18 pm

    @ Mary, re Venezuelan Presidential candidate Capriles Radonski :

    Mary seems to think it’s quite important to inform us at some length that this guy’s grandparents (or some of them) were holocaust survivors.

    Why? Is it relevant to the forthcoming election?

    BTW, what is the Times of Israel? Never heard of it.


    La vita è bella, life is good!

  86. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Apr, 2013 - 12:22 pm

    @ Doug “Son of Mary” Scorgie :

    “All this is well known and obvious so why is the government putting the public at a higher level of risk when a quiet private funeral would pose little risk?”

    Perhaps the police are hoping that you’ll turn up and misbehave so that they can feel your collar?


    La vita è bella, life is good!

  87. Jemand, you ask for evidence/ proof about the motives of the jihadis in Syria.

    I have only the evidence of my own heart. If you get asked for assistance by someone pleading for your help and you respond generously, the normal response from the person who asked is gratitude. If not gratitude, then at least respect and you take your reward from your conscience/Allah. But if you are asked for help and the response is disrespect, harm and taking advantage, then you are entitled to ask whether the person needed help in the first place, or whether in fact they wanted to lure you into a trap, knock you off your guard, so that they could do you harm.

    For example someone tells you they are homeless and you take them in for a while, only to find that they have opened your computer, found some links to some porn and then told all your friends what they found. Is this gratitude? Or was this homelessness a ploy to betray your weaknesses?

    Same in Syria. When the mujahideen flock to Turkey, to train under the British Army, while British special forces snipe at civilians, and now assist in the destruction of the infrastructure of Syria, murder the scholars, and place suicide bombs. Are these people in need of assistance or is the purpose of their presence in Syria an act of betrayal?

    Would it not be possible to empathise with the individual Muslim who is straying off the path, enough to ascertain that the UK government deprived that brother oh his home, his children and his work JUST for complaining that his wife had committed adultery which in England is a thought crime. Why do the mujahideen think that the Syrian people deserve their country wrecking just because they made an accommodation with the World-backed dictator? Where is the empathy?

    If they do not have empathy, then the conclusion that I draw is that they are not themselves deserving of empathy. The person who pleads for empathy, like the mujahideen who plead their frustration and hardships under the dictators as an excuse for their brutality, would be merciful to the people if they did not have an ulterior motive. The ulterior motive in my opinion is that the Zionist West has promised them a Mursi end-result to their brutality.

    Can they take exemption from the consequences of their brutality from the Zionists? Is that the deal of Islam? You establish a fascist, controlling, spying, unmerciful version of Islam brokered and subsidised by the enemies of Islam and your actions are justified by the respect and power you obtain from Islam’s enemies.

    They are nuts, like Blair. They will whinge like Blair that it was the only way to get things changed and like Blair they will be consigned to the dustbin of history and worse. The people who need help, do not murder the friends of the people who come to their help, even if they are on the wrong path. If you stop at the roadside to help someone, you do not want to be forced out of your car at gunpoint. These people feed on breaking trust, which is the foundation of human existence, so that they themselves can benefit from a working relationship with the Zionist West and take over power.

    God does not like the treacherous. Just a reminder.

  88. I see it’s playtime again. Never let it be said I don’t join in the games:

    And (on topic), unremarked even by Mary, I think:

    She couldn’t stand Begin, btw. Any Palestinian leaders going to the jolly? No.

  89. Guano, I think it may be a lot simpler than that. We’re consciously destabilising Syria because Assad supports Iran. And who more trustworthy as anti-Shi’a allies than AQ-style Sunni/Salafist mujahideen? Never mind the crocodile tears of our demented politicians, coming soon to a screen near you. This is still US/UK policy, with a strong Israeli input. Unite, you silly buggers!

  90. Uzbek in the UK

    12 Apr, 2013 - 12:57 pm


    Despite we like or hate US and their allies in the East Asia, North Koreans are starving and millions of them are in slave camps. Founder of North Korean state and current crazy bustard’s granddad learnt well (from Stalin) how to exploit his people and straighten his own power at the same time. I am not judging this from BBC. I met few North Koreans when travelled to Soviet Far East once. North Koreans were leasing them to soviets since 1960th as labour and soviets paid to North Korean government in food and energy supplies. Some of them spoke Russian (although not very well) and their stories were chilling. It brought memories of worst Stalinist era and even worse was that their families were kept in North Korea as guarantee of their return. The lease (of North Korean slaves) would normally last for up to 1 year and then soviets had to transport them to the border with North Korea and get exchanged to new slaves. This was then, and I doubt it is any better now.

  91. Credit where it’s due dept.-

    “Perhaps Thatcher’s most stark failure to see eye to eye with Israel’s right was her explicit recognition of a Palestinian right to self-determination. In an interview with the U.K.’s Times in 1988, she said she hoped Israel “might at last live in peace within secure borders, giving the Palestinian people their legitimate aspirations, because you cannot demand for yourself what you deny to other people.” She went on about the concept in terms that one might hear today at J Street, or in Obama’s recent remarks about the Palestinians in Jerusalem: …”[N]ow I think we are beginning to realize more and more that the real security lies in proper peace agreements, each respecting the rights of the other, backed up by proper defense always.” Those sorts of public statements, coupled with her vociferous opposition to settlement expansion didn’t stop Thatcher from being branded a friend to Israel; today, they might be enough to get one labeled “the most anti-Israel president (ever)*.” We’ve sure come a long way.”

    Also suggests that if Thatcher had had to deal with Netanyahu, she’d have found him no less of a bastard than she did Menachem Begin…

    *Referring, of course to Obama. -K

  92. MJ, thanks again. Roguekiller had not downloaded. It was asking to download other tools and I did not want other stuff that I know nothing about. Google Chrome I thought did not appear to support the product so I set up the latest version of Firefox and tried from there. But these other programs worried me.

    I have now downloaded a version through Google Chrome which found something but it was not using the link you supplied. The version is and it has deleted four files and replaced a further two. Whether this solves the problem is a bit early to tell. But thank you.

  93. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    12 Apr, 2013 - 1:13 pm

    Yes, yes Mary, of course North Korea’s a paradise!

    It isn’t (cf. Uzbek in the UK)??

    Oh, that must be the fault of the wicked Americans.


    La vita è bella, life is good! (reality deniers are sad)

  94. doug scorgie

    12 Apr, 2013 - 1:29 pm

    Why is the USA arming terrorist groups (in Syria for example) yet trying to disarm the US citizens?

    Interesting take on that question on this video:

  95. John Goss: there are no other programmes, only Roguekiller.exe. Perhaps you tried to download the wrong thing. You have to scroll down past the adds to where you get the choice of 32 or 64 bit.

  96. @ Mary, re Venezuelan Presidential candidate Capriles Radonski :

    Mary seems to think it’s quite important to inform us at some length that this guy’s grandparents (or some of them) were holocaust survivors.

    Why? Is it relevant to the forthcoming election?

    BTW, what is the Times of Israel? Never heard of it.


    La vita è bella, life is good!

    Another lie is being told. It was the Resident Interrogator who found it necessary to point out that fact. I put up Wikipedia links to Capriles and Maduro.

    We were then told by the RI that it is normal in Spanish speaking countries for the maternal name to be included in one’s name and therefore Capriles was rightfully Capriles Radonski.

    I never saw Hugo Chavez calling himself anything other than Hugo Chavez in spite of the fact that his mother’s was Elena Frias de Chavez.

    Hugo Chávez was born on 28 July 1954 in his paternal grandmother Rosa Inéz Chávez’s home, a modest three-room house located in the rural village Sabaneta, Barinas State. The Chávez family were of Amerindian, Afro-Venezuelan, and Spanish descent.[16] His parents, Hugo de los Reyes Chávez and Elena Frías de Chávez, were working-lower middle class schoolteachers who lived in the small village of Los Rastrojos.

    All academic in any case as Maduro had a double digit lead over Capriles and I don’t give a toss who Capriles is or about his antecedents.


    Yes life is good for those in possession of power and money. Not so good for those without jobs, food and homes in our ‘society’. Oh sorry I forgot. There is no such thing as ‘society’ according the late unlamented Leaderene.

  97. doug scorgie

    12 Apr, 2013 - 1:58 pm

    Theft of water, theft of land; it makes no difference to the Zionists they take what they want.

    “On average, West Bank Palestinians have access to about 70 litres a day per person, although in some areas availability is as low as 15 litres, depending on the season. In contrast, Israeli citizens inside the Green Line or in West Bank [Jewish only] communities utilize around 280-300 litres per person a day year-round, according to rights organizations, water NGOs and the Palestinian Water Authority.”

  98. John Hilley on Medialens

    Palace worried about hiring out their gun carriage
    Posted by John Hilley on April 12, 2013, 10:24 am

    The royals, those chief custodians of military protocol, are apparently a little anxious about allowing Maggie her funeral gun carriage and other accoutrements of warfare. They’re supposedly concerned about any popular besmirching of the precious ceremonial for such a divisive figure.

    “In discussions about the funeral held over recent years, it is understood that questions were raised by senior figures about whether it would be right to associate the military with such a divisive figure, according to a well-placed Whitehall source.

    It is understood that there were fears that the British tradition, in which the monarchy rather than politicians are associated with ceremonial aspects of the military, could be called into question.”

    One will, of course, struggle to recall any such royal misgivings or opposition to Mrs T’s brutal Falklands indulgence.

    All warmongers together, and fitting to see the royal-political-military establishment all assembled as one in their uniformed grotesqueness.


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