Crass 868

In the week they took hundreds of pounds from people in severe poverty, MPs and Lords claim up to £3,750 each to return from their luxury holidays to spout off in honour of Margaret Thatcher. Meantime the media are busy classifying any potential protest or expression of opinion at the taxpayer funded funeral jamboree as “potential terrorism”.

Whether protest at the funeral is tasteful or not is a fair question. But there is no question it is perfectly lawful. There is virtually no understanding of the very notion of civil liberty in the mainstream media.

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  • guano


    ‘And virtually no understanding of the very notion of civilization in some branches of the alternative media.’

    Are you talking about yourself?

  • Jonangus Mackay

    No 1 test for new BBC boss Hall. ‘Ding, Dong! The Witch is Dead!’ has hit the Top 10. Capital Radio today simply removed the song from its charts despite its No 2 position. Will Hall censor?

  • guano

    I was watching a video about Babar Ahmad on Islam channel at the weekend. The only way that an innocent activist ends up being attacked by police thugs and left to rot in a UK jail is by being betrayed and set up by a fellow Muslim. The UK authorities then process this information into a crime.

    This blog is the proof beyond doubt that nothing that is ever said or done which criticises the status quo ever results in harm coming to the person who is criticising or protesting. Otherwise we would all be festering in hospital or jail. The only real enemies of the UK are the paid-up, bought up representatives of the people, like MPs and the only real enemies of Islam are the paid up inventors of bull amongst the Muslims themselves. The worst participants in all progroms are the members of the victim groups themselves, seeking quick sales… potatoes, tomatoes…. scrap iron…scrap iron ladies…any old iron.

  • Robbie

    I think this is what the Americans call a reality check isn’t it? A bit like when the taxpayer gets charged millions of pounds for policing the Equadorian Embassy because a man broke a condom that has no human DNA on it.

    Any illusions I had about the Monarch being neutral have been well and truly blown out of the water.

    That’s £8 Million of public money for a highly political ‘state’ funeral.

    Something is definitely rotten in the state of England.

  • Stephen Morgan

    I believe 1911 was the year of the first National Insurance Act, and thus if not the birth then at least the conception of the welfare state. Along with several other reforms. Big year.

    As for the funeral, I think it would be most appropriate to put the corpse on the block, and allow the market to decide its fate. If that means the head being stuck on a pike and the body thrown to the dogs, then so be it. It’s what the market demands. I’d start a collection, but Tory government means I’m £30 a week worse off than last year.

    But it’s Ding! Dong! Silver lining!…

  • CanSpeccy

    Guano, your alias, a synonym for “shit,” is well chosen.

    But maybe with some thought you could improve your output to something of greater value.

  • Indigo

    @Resident Dissident

    This is exactly what happened during the State Visit of the Emperor Hirohito to Britain in 1971. Silent crowds lined the streets in London – and ex-Japanese POWs turned their backs.

    Personally I think this is much more telling and humiliating for the Government and her supporters than making a personal statement that can land you in jail. This just plays into the hands of the neo-liberal right.

  • John Goss

    A Node, I agree. I’ve often wondered about that phrase “died peacefully” and whether even if it appears so to an outsider. It is probably to ease the suffering of the bereaved. My understanding is a stroke is very painful. If that is so, and it causes paralysis, how would anyone know how much pain she was going through just because she, or any other dying person for that matter, is not thrashing about in the bed. Anyway it’s over for her, but not for us yet. We’ve got to suffer for another week at least.

    “Speaking to the BBC’s Breakfast programme, Hague said: “When it comes to money, the rebate she negotiated for this country from the EU has brought us so far £75bn – which is twice the size of our annual defence budget.”

    This drags my memory back a long way. If I recall correctly the reason we were paying so much more in the first place was because we had shilly-shallied over joining. Because of that other members objected so we went in on unfavourable terms in the first place. All she did was get us more into line with other member countries’ contributions.

  • doug scorgie

    10 Apr, 2013 – 5:49 pm

    “Something is definitely rotten in the state of England.”

    Quite so. That is why Scotland wants independence; maybe Wales will be next.

  • guano


    You like the misowogy of Thatcher, I believe.

    Doug Scorbie

    Pdmm pdmmm pdmmpdmmmpdmmmpdmmmpdmmmmmmmmpdmmm pdm.

  • doug scorgie

    “Baroness Thatcher’s frugal wishes for her funeral will have saved the taxpayer around £800,000.”

    “On the day of Lady Thatcher’s death, her spokesman, Lord Bell, said she did not want arrangements that would be a “waste of money – somewhat in character you might think”.

    “In keeping with her directions, the former Prime Minister will not lie in state for the public to visit or have a military fly-past. “

    “Arrangements for lying in state have previously cost the public purse more than £825,000, according to the House of Commons library.”

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    @ Craig :

    You cunning old sod, you obviously thought you hadn’t stirred up the company enough with your previous post, eh, so you thought you’d have another go. 🙂

    Anyway, just a couple of poinhts (but you are well aware of them yourself, of course. Drafting is all.

    1/. MPs and Lords CAN claim UP TO £3.750 for return travel (upon submission of tickets);

    2/. “luxury holidays” – some MPs and Lords may well be away on luxurt holidays and many others may not be. Heaven forend, but solme lmight even be in the UK! And even at home!!

    3/ Never mind what the media (all of the media?) are classifying potentail protest as. What is more meaningful and important in practical terms is the attitude and actions of the public authorities, would you not agree?

    4/. “But there is no question { protest at the funeral} is perfectly lawful. Whiff of a straw man argument here- it is not what the media might say which is important. You are right on the substance…as long as the forms that protest might take do are not illegal under sundry provisions of statutory or common law.

    5/. The reactions to your post impell me th…forgive you. 🙂

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    Jesus, typing even worse than usual, you must have got me exercised as well.

  • doug scorgie

    10 Apr, 2013 – 8:22 pm

    “Pdmm pdmmm pdmmpdmmmpdmmmpdmmmpdmmmmmmmmpdmmm pdm.

    Is that transliteration from the Koran?

    Is it Welsh perhaps?

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    @ Tom Welsh (14h15) :

    “Sorry, Craig, I can’t take this. I have enjoyed following your blog, but I shan’t in future.”

    I sympathise and it is natural that you have no wish to stand beside the cesspit and breathe in the foul odours emanating from it. Or to observe the denizens of the cesspit writhing and slithering around.

    But it is important not to be discouraged, to stay on the blog, and to continue to show up the bad faith,absurdities, half-truths and irrelevancies which are the stock-in-trade of the Eminences. Of course, they are incorrigible and will never learn (their condition is, I’m afraid, pathological) but the normal 99% will draw their own (correct) conclusions.

  • Mary

    This must have taken Hague’s and Cameron’s mind off the day’s proceedings. What will be their next move. Stop the ‘aid’ and the military ‘assistance’?

    Syria crisis: Al-Nusra pledges allegiance to al-Qaeda

    Rebels from the al-Nusra Front waving their brigade flag on the top of a Syrian air force helicopter – photo

    The leader of the al-Nusra Front, a jihadist group fighting in Syria, has pledged allegiance to the leader of al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

    Abu Mohammed al-Jawlani said the group’s behaviour in Syria would not change as a result.


  • lysias

    Who was behind the “administrative error”, Cameron or Haig? Thatcher funeral: Foreign Office U-turns on mourning clothes order: Memo sent out on Tuesday night to diplomatic staff in UK and overseas withdrawn after complaints that it was inappropriate:

    A senior Foreign Office source said the memo was a mistake by an official who had added a paragraph saying that it was a requirement for staff to wear mourning clothes. He also denied that any ministers had seen the memo.

  • lysias

    Netanyahu is attending:

    The White House is understood not yet to have finalised its plans with regard to the funeral, while a spokesman for Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, said an official delegation would not be sent. Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, is expected to attend, however.

  • John Goss

    “A Node, I agree. I’ve often wondered about that phrase “died peacefully” and whether even if it appears so to an outsider.”

    Who wrote that rubbish sentence? Yes, and nobody corrected me either. For once I feel almost as incomprehensible as Habbabkuk, who likes my articles and blog-pieces, especially when I promote them.

  • Ruth

    The whole hype is there to fool us into thinking Thatcher’s era was great for the UK. The Establishment know very well the huge corruption that underlies it. I’ve heard no mention of the Al-Yamamah arms deal, the arms-to Iraq scandal in which senior British government officials involved in the affair were described as “disgraceful” or anything else.

  • Brendan

    There is nothing wrong with protesting at a public figure’s funeral, when the funeral has been, essentially, turned into a state funeral. Nothing at all. Don’t let The Heil and the other MSM idiocers fool you into thinking this is somehow ‘shameful’. It isn’t. If you don’t want protests, make the funeral private, dead easy. So were the funeral a small affair with friends and family, I’d certainly think it wrong to protest. But, it’s not.

    Thatcher, we keep being told, ‘saved’ the country. Not from avaricious privateers and banksters she didn’t; she actively encouraged them. And she encouraged every war of Blair’s, making the UK’s name essentially mud throughout the world. Protest away, if that’s your desire, she stood for her principles alright, it’s just that most of them were bad. And if in the act of protesting a funeral, you put a dent in the ideological whitewash of her tenure, good.

    I’ll be protesting at Blair’s you can be sure.

  • lysias

    Ex-CNN Reporter: I Received Orders to Manipulate News to Demonize Syria and Iran:

    PRAGUE, (SANA)- Ex-CNN reporter Amber Lyon revealed that during her work for the channel she received orders to send false news and exclude some others which the US administration did not favor with the aim to create a public opinion in favor of launching an aggression on Iran and Syria.

    Lyon was quoted by the Slovak main news website as saying that the mainstream US media outlets intentionally work to create a propaganda against Iran to garner public opinion’s support for a military invasion against it.

    She revealed that the scenario used before launching the war on Iraq is being prepared to be repeated where Iran and Syria are now being subject to constant ‘demonization’.

    The former reporter clarified that the CNN channel manipulates and fabricates news and follows selectiveness when broadcasting news, stressing that the Channel receives money from the U.S. government and other countries’ governments in exchange for news content.

  • Mary

    ‘their condition is, I’m afraid, pathological’

    Stealing my script now. ‘Pathological’ That is exactly the word I used to describe the condition of the Resident Interrogator some weeks ago following his barrage of unsavoury and persistent posting about me.

    Incidentally isn’t a reply still due to Craig from the Resident Interrogator on the Thatcher thread?

    Kempe, Habbakuk,
    British heavy industry was failing so it needed to be quickly and completely eliminated, thus ruining most of the country north of Watford. A generation later the British financial services industry failed completely so it needed to be – propped up by the taxpayer with an incredible commitment that puts ordinary taxpayers in debt for generations, thus saving London and the South East because these jobs, unlike industrial jobs, are essential to the country.


  • guano

    Doug Scorbie

    You will be pleased to know that owing to an improvement in the weather conditions at home I will now abandon wearing my lovely, warm pink Pink Panther fleece when I wake up in the early hours of the morning. I was trying to present PP music in text form for you. Unsuccesfully. Is audio available here?

    The Thatcher years scarred my family’s life because she destroyed many basic principles of social justice. This, in turn, created magnificent opportunities for those whose hearts were bent on other ideas. Her use of the police against ordinary people led to the use of the police against innocent Muslims under Blair. The state could then create a parallel justice system, separate from what people actually did, based on false=flag, false witness and huge numbers of people were then paid to create the false witness and the media hype that went with it.

    It always seems to happen when we attack an evil regime, as Maggie did the Soviet Union, the evil characteristics of that regime get transferred to us. The UK became a spy-state. At the time of the Falklands Mrs T seemed to morph into the personality of an Argentinian dictator. Our present leaders Cameron and Hague display illegal military resolution worthy of Saddam and grinning madness worthy of Gaddafi. Miliband will morph into Assad soon.

  • Mary

    Hundreds of police on stand-by as anarchists threaten to hold mass Margaret Thatcher death ‘party’
    – Class War to hold Trafalgar Square demo on Saturday
    – Funeral will see biggest security operation since Olympics
    – ‘Ring of steel’ on three-mile route of procession

    Didn’t they have ‘a ring of steel’ for the Limp Ics? It’s all about metals. The Iron Lady. Israel’s Iron Dome. Some iron fence underground to block tunnel building into Gaza…..

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