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In the week they took hundreds of pounds from people in severe poverty, MPs and Lords claim up to £3,750 each to return from their luxury holidays to spout off in honour of Margaret Thatcher. Meantime the media are busy classifying any potential protest or expression of opinion at the taxpayer funded funeral jamboree as “potential terrorism”.

Whether protest at the funeral is tasteful or not is a fair question. But there is no question it is perfectly lawful. There is virtually no understanding of the very notion of civil liberty in the mainstream media.


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  • Kempe

    Err, Rooke was not allowed to present his “evidence” on 9/11 to the court because the judge ruled it was irrelevant; and rightly so too.

    Rooke was made to pay £200 costs, given a six month conditional discharge and told to get a TV Licence. What that means is that if he doesn’t buy a TV Licence within the next six months he’s going to be back in court.

    Only the perverse reasoning of the “truth” movement could describe that as a win.

  • John Goss

    Kempe, his evidence is the truth about what happened. You are just a blind supporter of injustice. You cannot deny the truth of his claims. The video footage shows the tower standing when the announcer announced it was down. What is wrong with your reasoning? The judge is part of the establishment. He had to find for the establishment or the rest of us would all be queuing-up for licence refunds. It does not change the facts.

  • MJ

    John Goss: that’s odd. Roguekiller doesn’t run in the background. When you did the search did you tick the ‘Show hidden files’ box? It might be interesting to start the download again, direct it to the same location and see if it asks if you want to overwrite.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    @ Mary, re Venezuelan Presidential candidate Capriles Radonski :

    Mary seems to think it’s quite important to inform us at some length that this guy’s grandparents (or some of them) were holocaust survivors.

    Why? Is it relevant to the forthcoming election?

    BTW, what is the Times of Israel? Never heard of it.

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    La vita è bella, life is good!

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    @ Doug “Son of Mary” Scorgie :

    “All this is well known and obvious so why is the government putting the public at a higher level of risk when a quiet private funeral would pose little risk?”

    Perhaps the police are hoping that you’ll turn up and misbehave so that they can feel your collar?

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    La vita è bella, life is good!

  • guano

    Jemand, you ask for evidence/ proof about the motives of the jihadis in Syria.

    I have only the evidence of my own heart. If you get asked for assistance by someone pleading for your help and you respond generously, the normal response from the person who asked is gratitude. If not gratitude, then at least respect and you take your reward from your conscience/Allah. But if you are asked for help and the response is disrespect, harm and taking advantage, then you are entitled to ask whether the person needed help in the first place, or whether in fact they wanted to lure you into a trap, knock you off your guard, so that they could do you harm.

    For example someone tells you they are homeless and you take them in for a while, only to find that they have opened your computer, found some links to some porn and then told all your friends what they found. Is this gratitude? Or was this homelessness a ploy to betray your weaknesses?

    Same in Syria. When the mujahideen flock to Turkey, to train under the British Army, while British special forces snipe at civilians, and now assist in the destruction of the infrastructure of Syria, murder the scholars, and place suicide bombs. Are these people in need of assistance or is the purpose of their presence in Syria an act of betrayal?

    Would it not be possible to empathise with the individual Muslim who is straying off the path, enough to ascertain that the UK government deprived that brother oh his home, his children and his work JUST for complaining that his wife had committed adultery which in England is a thought crime. Why do the mujahideen think that the Syrian people deserve their country wrecking just because they made an accommodation with the World-backed dictator? Where is the empathy?

    If they do not have empathy, then the conclusion that I draw is that they are not themselves deserving of empathy. The person who pleads for empathy, like the mujahideen who plead their frustration and hardships under the dictators as an excuse for their brutality, would be merciful to the people if they did not have an ulterior motive. The ulterior motive in my opinion is that the Zionist West has promised them a Mursi end-result to their brutality.

    Can they take exemption from the consequences of their brutality from the Zionists? Is that the deal of Islam? You establish a fascist, controlling, spying, unmerciful version of Islam brokered and subsidised by the enemies of Islam and your actions are justified by the respect and power you obtain from Islam’s enemies.

    They are nuts, like Blair. They will whinge like Blair that it was the only way to get things changed and like Blair they will be consigned to the dustbin of history and worse. The people who need help, do not murder the friends of the people who come to their help, even if they are on the wrong path. If you stop at the roadside to help someone, you do not want to be forced out of your car at gunpoint. These people feed on breaking trust, which is the foundation of human existence, so that they themselves can benefit from a working relationship with the Zionist West and take over power.

    God does not like the treacherous. Just a reminder.

  • Komodo

    Guano, I think it may be a lot simpler than that. We’re consciously destabilising Syria because Assad supports Iran. And who more trustworthy as anti-Shi’a allies than AQ-style Sunni/Salafist mujahideen? Never mind the crocodile tears of our demented politicians, coming soon to a screen near you. This is still US/UK policy, with a strong Israeli input. Unite, you silly buggers!

  • Uzbek in the UK

    Mary,

    Despite we like or hate US and their allies in the East Asia, North Koreans are starving and millions of them are in slave camps. Founder of North Korean state and current crazy bustard’s granddad learnt well (from Stalin) how to exploit his people and straighten his own power at the same time. I am not judging this from BBC. I met few North Koreans when travelled to Soviet Far East once. North Koreans were leasing them to soviets since 1960th as labour and soviets paid to North Korean government in food and energy supplies. Some of them spoke Russian (although not very well) and their stories were chilling. It brought memories of worst Stalinist era and even worse was that their families were kept in North Korea as guarantee of their return. The lease (of North Korean slaves) would normally last for up to 1 year and then soviets had to transport them to the border with North Korea and get exchanged to new slaves. This was then, and I doubt it is any better now.

  • Komodo

    Credit where it’s due dept.-

    “Perhaps Thatcher’s most stark failure to see eye to eye with Israel’s right was her explicit recognition of a Palestinian right to self-determination. In an interview with the U.K.’s Times in 1988, she said she hoped Israel “might at last live in peace within secure borders, giving the Palestinian people their legitimate aspirations, because you cannot demand for yourself what you deny to other people.” She went on about the concept in terms that one might hear today at J Street, or in Obama’s recent remarks about the Palestinians in Jerusalem: …”[N]ow I think we are beginning to realize more and more that the real security lies in proper peace agreements, each respecting the rights of the other, backed up by proper defense always.” Those sorts of public statements, coupled with her vociferous opposition to settlement expansion didn’t stop Thatcher from being branded a friend to Israel; today, they might be enough to get one labeled “the most anti-Israel president (ever)*.” We’ve sure come a long way.”

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/08/what-kind-of-friend-to-israel-was-thatcher.html

    Also suggests that if Thatcher had had to deal with Netanyahu, she’d have found him no less of a bastard than she did Menachem Begin…

    *Referring, of course to Obama. -K

  • John Goss

    MJ, thanks again. Roguekiller had not downloaded. It was asking to download other tools and I did not want other stuff that I know nothing about. Google Chrome I thought did not appear to support the product so I set up the latest version of Firefox and tried from there. But these other programs worried me.

    I have now downloaded a version through Google Chrome which found something but it was not using the link you supplied. The version is 8.5.4.0 and it has deleted four files and replaced a further two. Whether this solves the problem is a bit early to tell. But thank you.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    Yes, yes Mary, of course North Korea’s a paradise!

    It isn’t (cf. Uzbek in the UK)??

    Oh, that must be the fault of the wicked Americans.

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    La vita è bella, life is good! (reality deniers are sad)

  • MJ

    John Goss: there are no other programmes, only Roguekiller.exe. Perhaps you tried to download the wrong thing. You have to scroll down past the adds to where you get the choice of 32 or 64 bit.

  • Mary

    @ Mary, re Venezuelan Presidential candidate Capriles Radonski :

    Mary seems to think it’s quite important to inform us at some length that this guy’s grandparents (or some of them) were holocaust survivors.

    Why? Is it relevant to the forthcoming election?

    BTW, what is the Times of Israel? Never heard of it.

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    La vita è bella, life is good!

    Another lie is being told. It was the Resident Interrogator who found it necessary to point out that fact. I put up Wikipedia links to Capriles and Maduro.

    We were then told by the RI that it is normal in Spanish speaking countries for the maternal name to be included in one’s name and therefore Capriles was rightfully Capriles Radonski.

    I never saw Hugo Chavez calling himself anything other than Hugo Chavez in spite of the fact that his mother’s was Elena Frias de Chavez.

    Hugo Chávez was born on 28 July 1954 in his paternal grandmother Rosa Inéz Chávez’s home, a modest three-room house located in the rural village Sabaneta, Barinas State. The Chávez family were of Amerindian, Afro-Venezuelan, and Spanish descent.[16] His parents, Hugo de los Reyes Chávez and Elena Frías de Chávez, were working-lower middle class schoolteachers who lived in the small village of Los Rastrojos.

    All academic in any case as Maduro had a double digit lead over Capriles and I don’t give a toss who Capriles is or about his antecedents.

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    Yes life is good for those in possession of power and money. Not so good for those without jobs, food and homes in our ‘society’. Oh sorry I forgot. There is no such thing as ‘society’ according the late unlamented Leaderene.

  • doug scorgie

    Theft of water, theft of land; it makes no difference to the Zionists they take what they want.

    “On average, West Bank Palestinians have access to about 70 litres a day per person, although in some areas availability is as low as 15 litres, depending on the season. In contrast, Israeli citizens inside the Green Line or in West Bank [Jewish only] communities utilize around 280-300 litres per person a day year-round, according to rights organizations, water NGOs and the Palestinian Water Authority.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/week-s-end/the-politics-of-water-palestinians-bracing-for-another-dry-summer.premium-1.515143

  • Mary

    John Hilley on Medialens

    Palace worried about hiring out their gun carriage
    Posted by John Hilley on April 12, 2013, 10:24 am

    The royals, those chief custodians of military protocol, are apparently a little anxious about allowing Maggie her funeral gun carriage and other accoutrements of warfare. They’re supposedly concerned about any popular besmirching of the precious ceremonial for such a divisive figure.

    “In discussions about the funeral held over recent years, it is understood that questions were raised by senior figures about whether it would be right to associate the military with such a divisive figure, according to a well-placed Whitehall source.

    It is understood that there were fears that the British tradition, in which the monarchy rather than politicians are associated with ceremonial aspects of the military, could be called into question.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/11/thatcher-funeral-pomp-concerns-palace

    One will, of course, struggle to recall any such royal misgivings or opposition to Mrs T’s brutal Falklands indulgence.

    All warmongers together, and fitting to see the royal-political-military establishment all assembled as one in their uniformed grotesqueness.

    John

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    Mary, are you losing it? Or are you just a liar? You say :

    “Another lie is being told. It was the Resident Interrogator who found it necessary to point out that fact. I put up Wikipedia links to Capriles and Maduro.”

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    Your original post (11 April, 22h14) said the following:

    “I see Capriles is actually Radonski.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrique_Capriles_Radonski

    Why, all of a sudden, did you put up links to Capriles? And what should we read into those subtle words “..is actually..”?

    If you’re going to point to someone’s Jewish ancestry in your usual sly way then you’ll have to get used to people like me asking you why.

    Capeesh, Mary?

  • Mary

    I repeat I said nothing about the ancestry of Capriles or the holocaust. The RI did.

  • guano

    Komodo

    Yes, the Tories celebrate Mrs Thatcher for all the wrong reasons. She pre-existed the War on Islam and she did not see that her war on the welfare state rhetoric was a trap set by the Zionists to get B.Liar in. Just a reminder to all that Cameron’s daily cloning of Mrs T’s phoney trail will inevitably lead to the Zionist Miliband family coming to power at the next election.

    Muslims Unite. The US set out plans ages ago to win friends by removing the dictators and removing the British Empire borders. The nujahideen are relying totally on the promises of the US to deliver these reforms. Stupid or stupid? How can we unite when political Islam is addicted to the same old folly of trusting power instead of Allah?

  • MJ

    John Goss: glad to hear it was some use. If you get any further problems try running it again from safe mode.

  • guano

    Mary

    You came back refreshed from your Easter holiday. Why are you tiring yourself out with trolls? Trash is trash. Think of it as Troll ash. The cigarette is no benefit to humans and the ash is just dust.

    When Moses was commanded to take over the city of Jerusalem, he was told that the scary people living there were the fag-end of a fag-end of a forgotten sect and not to be scared of them. Hasbara trolls are the fag-end of the fag-end of a forgotten sect. Blow on them and they will disappear and please do not ever feel intimidated by them. Your words of truth and justice are inspirational. Good girl, go for it, in other words.

  • John Goss

    Will do MJ. It is beyond my comprehension why anybody would want to produce malware. Why be destructive when you can be constructive? Beats me.

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