The Official Tsarnaev Story Makes No Sense 343


There are gaping holes in the official story of the Boston bombings.

We are asked to believe that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was identified by the Russian government as an extremist Dagestani or Chechen Islamist terrorist, and they were so concerned about it that in late 2010 they asked the US government to take action. At that time, the US and Russia did not normally have a security cooperation relationship over the Caucasus, particularly following the Russian invasion of Georgia in 2008. For the Russians to ask the Americans for assistance, Tsarnaev must have been high on their list of worries.

In early 2011 the FBI interview Tsarnaev and trawl his papers and computers but apparently – remarkably for somebody allegedly radicalised by internet – the habitually paranoid FBI find nothing of concern.

So far, so weird. But now this gets utterly incredible. In 2012 Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who is of such concern to Russian security, is able to fly to Russia and pass through the airport security checks of the world’s most thoroughly and brutally efficient security services without being picked up. He is then able to proceed to Dagestan – right at the heart of the world’s heaviest military occupation and the world’s most far reaching secret police surveillance – again without being intercepted, and he is able there to go through some form of terror training or further Islamist indoctrination. He then flies out again without any intervention by the Russian security services.

That is the official story and I have no doubt it did not happen. I know Russia and I know the Russian security services. Whatever else they may be, they are extremely well-equipped, experienced and efficient and embedded into a social fabric accustomed to cooperation with their mastery. This scenario is simply impossible in the real world.

We have, by the official account, the involvement of the two Tsarnaev brothers, the FBI and the Russian security services. The FBI have a massive recent record of running agent provocateur operations to entrap gullible Muslims into terrorism. The Russian security services have form on false flag Chechen bombings. Where the truth lies may be difficult to dig out. But the above official version is not true.


343 thoughts on “The Official Tsarnaev Story Makes No Sense

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  • Adriun Haberchick

    I d’ont undrstand grownps.

    Last sunday that irish man on the telly said Margerat Thachur thort all irishe peepel wer lires.

    I no thats’ wot he thinc becos he tels mum evry day missis T reely new who her enemas wer and never sed anything that wos’nt trew.

    So why did he get so cross and do that thinge with his ays wen the man on tely said he thort she was a grate woomun?

    PS. mum sez dad shud get back to werk or Mr Cemp will come round again with That Man and if he got a propper jobe he wudint hav to hyde undr the stares evry tim the dorbel ringz.

  • Courtenay Barnett

    THOUGHTS ON THE BOSTON BOMBINGS
    Considering the arrest of Tamerlan Tsarnaev
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/boston-suspect-arrested-stripped-naked-so-when-was-he-shot-and-killed/5332316
    A. One brother, in the video is told to come out of the car and strip naked.
    B. He is taken into custody naked and arrested.
    C. Next, we hear of a shoot out and that he is shot dead.
    We have A and B on the video – so by what credible process can we ever arrive at “C”?
    So without conjecture.

    A. There are two(2) brothers – and these have been the focal point of attention as the mass media has been reminding us ever since the Boston bombing.
    B. We remove one brother from the equation (i.e. since he is arrested – in custody – no longer a threat). So – we get to:-

    C. That leaves one (1) brother we know to have been shot ( under what circumstances we have yet to ascertain – but he is shot and is in a serious condition). So, we can all reason that what we saw on the video footage was footage of the one that was killed – not the one shot and placed in a serious condition.

    Surely, if a man is already in custody and alive – then when he is shot – under what circumstances can such a shooting and killing of a man who already had stripped naked be justified homicide?

    Simple question.

    .
    The facts versus the case presented to the public
    At this point, I can but comment as follows:-
    1. The person being arrested in the video does look like Tamerlan Tsarnaev.
    2. If the arrest was related to a different and unconnected incident – then that “different incident” would still have coincided with the very period of the bombing, and since Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a suspect, it would be an odd arrest that would have arrested Tamerlan Tsarnaev then but not pertaining to the bombing but another incident.
    3. Surely, the journalist is clearly there in the video speaking directly to his eye witness account of events that pertain directly to the post-bombing search for suspects.
    4. The video appeared on CNN and seems to be projecting to the public the arrest of Tamerlan Tsarnaev.
    See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS8CAUFFSMU – the next video mentions CNN retracting the earlier information announcing that a suspect was arrested:-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJbNdY4c18E
    The retraction would be consistent with an attempt to find a new narrative once independent observers started posting youtube videos that either directly challenged and/or questioned the official mainstream media’s version.
    And here is another mainstream media video of someone ( Tsarnaev ?) on his stomach lying flat on the roadway. Can we now begin to piece the original dead Tsarnaev together and link to the man subsequently ( Tsarnaev ?) lying flat and come up with a credible narrative to make the official sequence of events ever fit logically together?:-
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixvDUaMDPko
    Where is the solid case so far built out of the public information that has been disseminated about the brothers?
    Is there an alternate credible narrative about the Boston bombings?
    Can a government, willfully lie, fabricate evidence, and stage a “false flag” event?
    Yes it can if we consider the following video and the photographs of the events surrounding the Boston bombings:-
    https://i.imgur.com/mYfsZs4.jpg
    Has this type of strategy ever been used or been deployed by the government of America before? Yes it has been:-
    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/northwoods.pdf
    The foregoing declassified document just about says it all, if proof is required of the capacity of government to deceive the citizenry.

    The global cum domestic dimensions of the Boston bombings
    An entire nation was duped by the WMD line sold, before no less an august body, than the United Nations. Fabrications, lies, deceptions and statecraft manipulation at the highest levels was the order of the day – ably assisted by Colin Powell and others at the highest levels of the United States government. Those are concrete facts about events that recently took place, which led to the illegal invasion of Iraq, followed by a million plus Iraqis dead in consequence ( and still counting) and several Americans dead and maimed – in the service of what – an oil war? Hans Blix, the Chief UN weapons inspector’s book* on this whole, sad and bloodthirsty set of events is probably the most, convincing account I have come across of how events unfolded internationally at the time.
    • Name of book: “Disarming Iraq”.
    That backdrop to say this. The misdeeds of the state and its ability to lie, concoct and cover-up is not to be doubted nor debased, by simply focusing on a view that may be posted or published which tries to make a point about the truth behind the events, but fails to do so in a reasoned, consistently logical or credible way. That fact in and of itself does not negate the need to question, analyse and then draw reasonable conclusions.

    The new official narrative about the Boston bombings is that the brothers were “self-radicalised”. Since they happen to be of Chechen descent and also were of the Muslim religion, this further fits into the “war on terror” narrative that Muslims are the enemy, thus justifying the more over- expenditures of the military-industrial complex.
    So, I suspect that now the “war on terrorism” mind-set will increasingly be projected from a 9/11 original position of justifying global warfare, into a “post Boston bombing mind-set” justifying the reduction of civil liberties domestically in the US on the basis of fighting and constraining domestic terrorism.
    CB

  • Dreoilin

    Thanks Doug. It would appear that his time on the British Council prepared him well.

  • Dianne Foster

    Tamerlane and The Joker are a sideshow. The forensics of the bombings do not add up. Lots of leaked footage showing no “footage” if you will, very little but a couple gallons of orange blood, nothing out of place in front of the restaurant at the second site, small numbers of people. I believe the real runners were stopped before and not after the blast, way down the street out of view. These handsome brothers – the Good Thief and the Bad Thief, a classic pair in literature and mythology, are there to stir up various lusts. They are the T and A of the show. But that is all they are, as nephews of a prominent intelligence operative. I imagine they aren’t anywhere around any more. And the actors have flown back overseas where they came from. Show’s over folks, move along (to war with Iran and Syria probably, after diverting and en-miring the Putin/Medvedev combo in deep kim-chee.

  • Spalding

    Some of the comments I have read here are ludicrous to say the least.
    I have worked for the US Govt. as a contractor for over a decade. I held a TS/SCI clearance. When I first got it I thought WOW I’m going to see all these cool high tech things in secret underground bunkers. No, not really. It soon looses it’s effect and you realize that many of the programs are so big, and there are so many organizations involved (sometimes other US agencies) that your thinking of a secret backroom of individuals who can do almost anything and all these people are their puppets which they can co-ordinate in tandem at a moments notice is CRAZY!

    My first job as a contractor with with USDOJ, and BATFE (known as ATF by most). I used to work on ACTIVE investigations. Just the system and realm I was working on took massive co-ordination between local, state, and federal law enforcement. Did anyone not see the massive amount of police on the street from so many different agencies? Do you know HOW MUCH WORK and TIME GOES INTO COORDINATING SUCH AN EFFORT? But still if you think there are corrupt forces photo shopping and editing footage and these guys were possibly patsies then why did they run, fire guns, and have explosives (reported that they threw some in the fire fight)? Truthfully the younger one which survived IS LUCKY as I have always been told by law enforcement that if someone kills or severely injures a cop the police who find the suspect usually gives a summary trail… The Boston Police Chief was thankful that the officers that took him ‘showed restraint’…

    So from holes in the story to falsifying information. Why don’t people just hold off until ALL of the facts are in. If you didn’t have 24/7 coverage outside of the US then know that the media reported facts too soon before verifying what they were reporting….

  • Jives

    Spalding,

    Yes and usually it’s the NeoCon Right-Wing blowhard MSM nutjobs that are first to speculate or disseminate false narratives.

  • Dreoilin

    “When I first got it I thought WOW I’m going to see all these cool high tech things in secret underground bunkers.”

    No, Spalding, that’s Hollywood.

    “Did anyone not see the massive amount of police on the street from so many different agencies?”

    Yes, Spalding, and did you see the members of Craft International?
    http://www.thecraft.com/
    Can you tell us what they were doing there?

    “Truthfully the younger one which survived IS LUCKY as I have always been told by law enforcement that if someone kills or severely injures a cop the police who find the suspect usually gives a summary trail…”

    Yes, I believe most people here are aware of that.

    “The Boston Police Chief was thankful that the officers that took him ‘showed restraint’…”

    Apparently he had no gun in the boat, and he was injured. But the boat’s owner said it ended up like “swiss cheese”. You call that restraint?? Clearly the shot in his throat was not self-inflicted as some reports tried to suggest.

    And could I add that most references to photos, doctored photos, possible photoshopping etc in comments here, came from US websites, and not from this side of the pond?

    Would you be able to enlighten us as to why – since the FBI had contact with the brothers and family, going back a few years – did they put out the photos and ask the public for help in identifying the brothers?

    Spalding, can you help us to understand why Boston residents, after being under ‘lock down’ (marial law) for about 24 hours, were stomping and chanting “USA! USA! USA!” afterwards? Do they actually welcome martial law and is this what makes Bostonians so ‘strong’?

    Last but not least, could you clear up this mystery for us

    “Independent investigative journalist Dan Dicks of Press For Truth produced a video detailing his interview with the Boston bombing suspects’ aunt where she identifies a naked, cuffed, clearly alive and well detainee seen in video aired by CNN, as her nephew and Boston bombing suspect, Tamerlan Tsarnaev. Tamerlan Tsarnaev would later be announced “dead,” with injuries covering his body from “head to toe.”
    http://www.activistpost.com/2013/04/boston-bombing-suspects-aunt-ids.html

    You may have seen the post-mortem photo of him. When and how did Tamerlan Tsarnaev die, Spalding?

  • Anon

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2013/04/24/officials-suspect-unarmed-when-arrested-boat/15RdBrwnAoMLdWlVun5GXI/story.html

    Officials: Suspect unarmed when arrested in boat

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Two U.S. officials say the surviving suspect in the Boston bombings was unarmed when police captured him hiding inside a boat in a neighborhood back yard.

    Authorities originally said they had exchanged gunfire with Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (joh-KHAHR’ tsahr-NEYE’-ehv) for more than one hour Friday evening before they were able to subdue him.

  • Big SNAFU

    Now officials claim Boston bombing suspect was NOT armed in boat showdown – despite police account of firefight and him ‘shooting himself’

    Officials now claim that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was unarmed as he hid in boat in Watertown
    Contradicts Boston Police Commissioner’s account of hour-long firefight with Tsarnaev
    New York Times said M4 rifle had been found on boat
    Police sources suggested Tsarnaev shot himself onboard

    Read all about it: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314448/Now-officials-claim-Boston-bombing-suspect-NOT-armed-boat-showdown–despite-police-account-firefight-shooting-himself.html

    I guess because NATO/CIA/MI6 got away with organizing the deadly Operation Gladio / “Strategy of Tension” false flag black ops through the height of the cold war, some bright sparks at the FBI/CIA/Mossad (note that the suspect in hospital is, we are told, being treated by specially flown in Israeli doctors) thought false flag attacks would still be a breeze to pull off, evenn in the internet age.

  • TFS

    Crag some other reading material.

    MotherJones: http://www.motherjones.com/

    They have a good article on entrapment by FBI on most of the past terrorist attacks in America.

    Susan Lindaeur, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Lindauer

    She has a book out and there is some interesting things on 9/11 and invasion of Iraq. The American state tried to have her chemically lobotomized.

    9/11: Check out the book the Big Bamboozle. http://thebigbamboozle.tumblr.com/

    Its by a pilot about 9/11, off course he suicided himself and family for no apparent reason.

    In relation to Oklahoma bombing check out Officer Terrance Yeakey. In the cast of suicides he is surely epitomizes hits covered up as a suicide, and in this case ‘you could make it up’.

  • Dreoilin

    Here they go

    “In the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday the country’s interpretation of the Constitution will “have to change” to allow for greater security to stave off future attacks.

    “The people who are worried about privacy have a legitimate worry,” Mr. Bloomberg said during a press conference in Midtown. “But we live in a complex world where you’re going to have to have a level of security greater than you did back in the olden days, if you will. And our laws and our interpretation of the Constitution, I think, have to change.”

    http://politicker.com/2013/04/bloomberg-says-post-boston-interpretation-of-the-constitution-will-have-to-change/

  • Spalding

    Dreoilin,

    Your comments only go further to explain my point.

    1. These incidents only occurred not even a week ago. The FACTS have not come in, and new facts will develop daily.
    2. The media, standing by, second by second reported FALSE information on several occasions all in order to beat one another (and they’re still doing it).
    3. THEY ARE SO MANY AGENCIES INVOLVED! IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK AND MUST BE COORDINATED BY HUMANS (KEY WORD THERE). From my experience when this happens work is given out to other agencies. For instance, BATFE will take a lead on firearms and explosives. However, FBI still has firearm examiners and explosive experts, and sometimes there is just a struggle and question as to WHO does WHAT. Also, there is no centralized all knowing database or system. Agents from all different federal agencies must sit together in a command center and relay information to one another.

    MARTIAL LAW was never declared! The police and Governor asked people to stay inside as a matter of PUBLIC SAFETY. Law enforcement wasn’t going house to house making sure people were inside, or threatening arrest or violence to citizens, rather they were looking for suspects which they had identified. And yes, the media could have gotten that wrong as the media did with one man who is now missing since the 16th. The family was on tv last night asking for help finding him… Thanks to the MEDIA, this has caused some problems for people:

    http://theweek.com/article/index/243006/ny-post-under-fire-for-misidentifying-boston-bombing-suspects

    America is just learning how to deal with these matters, and yes we have issues like an American has more of a constitutional right to own a firearm than to get on a plane…

    Your articles are only so good and you’re trying to use them to make your case that some grand conspiracy has occurred, but why don’t you WAIT until an OFFICIAL report is released and then disprove it. It’s super easy to list NEW articles with NEW information when it hasn’t even been a week… BTW, did you KNOW the MOTHER won’t be traveling to the US. Do you know why? SHE HAS AN ARREST WARRANT OUT FOR SHOPLIFTING AND DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY FROM WHEN SHE WAS HERE….

    As for the FBI posing agents as bait terrorists, that story is really old. Some of the first reported cases were in my home state:

    http://fcir.org/2013/03/25/excerpt-the-terror-factory/

    Also I should mention this is a law enforcement tactic that has been used for years. Such as I have connections I have made on the street as an undercover agent. I let them know I’m planning to rob an expensive house, and what I think is in it. I ask for help, and if anyone knows anyone. The people that are brought in and want a cut are taken to the house with me. I say this is it. Go ahead, follow me. The house is a bait house and basically everyone who goes in is arrested. Some would shout entrapment, but this is LEGAL. Ever watch ‘To catch a predator’?

    Start reading JFK books again or something until all the facts are in… Yeah it was Clay Bertrand, having a deviant sex party, dressed as the statue of liberty who really killed Kennedy….

  • Dreoilin

    Spalding

    Thanks for nothing. The main facts are already in and already reported. They don’t add up. And you have added nothing here, just tried to give us a lecture in “stay quiet, say nothing, do as you’re told and wait for the official report”.
    Pfffffffffft!

    “MARTIAL LAW was never declared! The police and Governor asked people to stay inside as a matter of PUBLIC SAFETY.”

    I know martial law wasn’t declared. Don’t give us that ‘public safety’ tosh. That’s how airport scanners were introduced! And when martial law is declared in the USA it won’t be called ‘martial law’ either. Aren’t you used to the doublespeak yet?

    Here are a few examples of doublespeak for you

    “Not doing so well” instead of very sick or injured
    “Detainee” for a prisoner of war
    “Pre-emptive strike” instead of unprovoked attack
    “Enhanced interrogation” in place of torture
    “Person of interest” instead of a suspect in a crime
    “Capital punishment” instead of the death penalty
    “Take down” (in military language) instead of saying killing someone

    [And don’t shout, Spalding. There’s no need for the all caps.]

  • Dreoilin

    “BTW, did you KNOW the MOTHER won’t be traveling to the US. Do you know why? SHE HAS AN ARREST WARRANT OUT FOR SHOPLIFTING AND DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY FROM WHEN SHE WAS HERE …”

    Yes, I know about the arrest for shoplifting. And that doesn’t make her sons guilty.

    “As for the FBI posing agents as bait terrorists, that story is really old. Some of the first reported cases were in my home state”

    Is that supposed to be some sort of argument for making it right??

  • Dreoilin

    Spalding

    A tip for you. The New York Post is a Murdoch-owned rag. I wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole. 😉

    Another tip: Just because something is legal does not mean that it is morally right. Slavery was legal once too.

  • Spalding

    The facts aren’t already in… Just last night (more BS from the media), there was a big news alert. Yes it is now known that the remote from the bombs was one used for a remote rc car, and not a garage door opener… Really? Or the story about the mother and why she won’t be coming. Or how about the media misidentifying people?

    If you want to get legal here ask yourself the difference between for instance a detainee and a prisoner of war. Read the Geneva convention, and the laws which were written and passed here.

    A prisoner of war is someone who is:
    A. Captured on a field of battle and
    B. Wears an identifiable uniform.

    So what about a suspect who harms the public. Again, SUSPECT. There were of course the right wing nut jobs here that wanted him to be declared as an ‘enemy combatant’ and at least one of these nut jobs wanted him in essence tortured for information. He didn’t want his rights read to him, even though he’s an American citizen. He wasn’t caught on a field of battle, and he is suspect of committing an act of terror. He was read his rights, will be tried in a US court of law, and be presumed innocent until proven otherwise. The media has reported things up to the second, identified wrong people, and now in the public eye he has already been convicted. While everyone wants information including you, if you really feel that there is some sort of conspiracy, and this guys a patsie, then I would think you would want all of the facts or official report, especially if you’re his attorney.

    Again, it’s really easy to poke holes in a story that’s not officially complete, especially with media sources that are competing with each other for up to the minute information, and which also fit your agenda. Before you go on about conspiracy at least wait until official reports have been published then poke holes in them all you want.

    I used to believe in huge government conspiracies but I shared a bit about myself because once I got involved I realized the massive amount of people involved that would have to be in on it and make things happen. The fact of the matter is that government and our executive agencies are so big and complicated with individual agency procedure and systems that so many things would have to happen in order for someone to honestly say there is beyond a reason of doubt that one could occur on a mass scale.

    BTW, I didn’t know that CAPS letters sounded so loud. Gee I thought I was under the impression that I was trying to emphasize specific points I thought you MAY HAVE MISSED, but there seems to be nothing you don’t know. You’re friends must tell you all the time that nothing gets by you…

  • Spalding

    Now you really don’t want to debate me on morals and law. I have a JD from a really good law school… I also don’t think you know about US federal law, or for that matter how a law is made here (I could be wrong as some countries do have classed on US Government)…

    Both morals and law are created by human’s for human’s. Shall I start with Rousseau’s concept of Social Contract?

  • The point is

    Russian President Vladimir Putin gave his annual TV conference question-and-answer session during which he said the Boston bombings showed the need for closer cooperation between Moscow and Washington. He said: “We always have said that we shouldn’t limit ourselves to declarations about terrorism being a common threat and engage in closer cooperation.
    “Now these two criminals have proven the correctness of our thesis.” Mr Putin also criticised the West for refusing to declare Chechen militants terrorists and offering them political assistance in the past. He said: “I always felt indignation when our Western partners and Western media were referring to terrorists who conducted brutal and bloody crimes on the territory of Russia as rebels.”

  • Dreoilin

    “Former Texas congressman Ron Paul criticized the wide-scale effort by law enforcement to capture the Tsarnaev brothers following the Boston Marathon bombing. “I mean, we had martial law out there,” Paul said on Fox Business Network’s Cavuto earlier this week. “The federal government is not supposed to be our police force.”

    “It’s criminal that people tolerated this so much, that we tolerated this marital law, and total acceptance that they can come into our houses and we cannot even go out of the house,” he added. While he understood that it was a serious crisis, he found the response “very very scary.”

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/346624/ron-paul-criticizes-boston-lockdown-we-had-martial-law-out-there-its-criminal

    Looks like Ron Paul doesn’t know his ass from his elbow either … maybe he needs a lecture from “Spalding”. When he hears about the “JD from a really good law school” I’m sure it’ll shut Ron Paul up!

  • Murmansk

    The Point Is
    25 Apr, 2013 – 6:27 pm

    Aha, Chechnya will never be able free now. Not in life time of Putin, at least.

  • Dreoilin

    “BTW, I didn’t know that CAPS letters sounded so loud.”

    All caps on the internet is considered shouting. Keep that in mind when you’re reading people’s private emails, Spalding.

  • Spalding

    The Point Is,

    I feel for you about Putin. It’s as if Russia went from years of oppression and simply changed to a different style of government that at times doesn’t seem democratic to me. It will be nice if someone else is elected as PM and President, and doesn’t switch roles term after term…

  • Dreoilin

    You don’t like Ron Paul? Ok. Here’s another

    “With the imposition of a state of siege in Boston, a historical threshold has been crossed. For the first time ever, a major American city has been placed under the equivalent of martial law. The already frayed veneer of a stable democracy based on constitutional principles is in shreds.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/martial-law-in-boston-american-democracy-in-shambles/5332581

    And Spalding, Washington is full of people with ‘qualifications’ in law. And it’s one of the most corrupt places on earth.

  • Dreoilin

    Tell me, Spalding, were people’s homes entered in Boston without the police having warrants?
    And were their weapons removed?
    And were people frisked?

  • KingofWelshNoir

    @Dreoilin

    ‘Here they go

    “In the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday the country’s interpretation of the Constitution will “have to change” to allow for greater security to stave off future attacks….’

    Yup, here they go, all totally choreographed.

  • Spalding

    Yes, people did have their homes entered into. Do you remember the D.C sniper case some years back? I worked on that. ATF was going all around the district to anyone whom was know to have a 5.56X45 assault weapon and saying ‘give us your firearm for ballistic imaging’. If the people refused, and wanted a warrant, well they had several judges standing by and the agents would come back with a warrant… Trust me, there was a quite pandemonium to say the least if you were there. When law enforcement is stumped and people are still in threat (like having their heads explode like water melons) what does one do?

    Yes, Bloomberg is correct. Especially with 4th amendment issues (in my opinion). Again, look at what I said before, and what he is saying. I’m positive the ACLU, and other organizations are going to file suit, that’s a given.

    We’re in a new era, and there are many issues with the legality of search and seizure, privacy, and even Habeas Corpus… Ask yourself what would you do if you’re a police chief and this happened. If your job is to ensure public safety, what do you do? I’m really asking you here because I would love to hear how you’d handle it…?

    You know Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus during the Civil War. His administration had to find some sort of legal basis to do so, and it was controversial even today. But look at the time and the situation. Do you, for instance, think the founding fathers when they wrote the Bill of Rights thought that there was going to be firearms readily available for sale which hold 30+ or more rounds (let alone that one can purchase legally automatic weapons)? Their main interest was to be able to raise an army as fast as possible in case of an invasion (especially the Red Coats). Do you think they imagined that someone would be able to use the Internet to meet random people, or find a way to build a bomb to harm others? So, there are so many legal arguments and controversial decisions here. Look at the last controversies involving Habeas Corpus. Laws were passed, people declared detainees to be tried by Military Tribunals. All the way to the Supreme Court, it was ruled that detainees could seek relief of unlawful detention by writ. Why did it ever get that far? Because of the administration in power, new laws/ acts, and paranoia (rightfully so with media hype and no one ever imagining an attack that killed more than Perl Harbor).

  • Dreoilin

    Don’t give me that “like having their heads explode like water melons” bullshit, Spalding. You’re back to Hollywood again. Or video games.
    Is that what you do in your spare time? ‘Splode people’s heads ‘like water melons’ from behind a screen?

    “I’m positive the ACLU, and other organizations are going to file suit, that’s a given.”

    Yes, the ACLU tend to be on the ball. Part of the minority in the USA who are.

    “no one ever imagining an attack that killed more than Perl Harbor”

    Rubbish. The PNAC even called for another Pearl Harbour (or worse). Said America needed it. [“Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some
    catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.”] And the Bush admin were warned about the possibility of planes being flown into buildings. And ignored the warning.
    Do your research, dude.

    Sorry, I have to go and eat.

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