There are gaping holes in the official story of the Boston bombings.
We are asked to believe that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was identified by the Russian government as an extremist Dagestani or Chechen Islamist terrorist, and they were so concerned about it that in late 2010 they asked the US government to take action. At that time, the US and Russia did not normally have a security cooperation relationship over the Caucasus, particularly following the Russian invasion of Georgia in 2008. For the Russians to ask the Americans for assistance, Tsarnaev must have been high on their list of worries.
In early 2011 the FBI interview Tsarnaev and trawl his papers and computers but apparently – remarkably for somebody allegedly radicalised by internet – the habitually paranoid FBI find nothing of concern.
So far, so weird. But now this gets utterly incredible. In 2012 Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who is of such concern to Russian security, is able to fly to Russia and pass through the airport security checks of the world’s most thoroughly and brutally efficient security services without being picked up. He is then able to proceed to Dagestan – right at the heart of the world’s heaviest military occupation and the world’s most far reaching secret police surveillance – again without being intercepted, and he is able there to go through some form of terror training or further Islamist indoctrination. He then flies out again without any intervention by the Russian security services.
That is the official story and I have no doubt it did not happen. I know Russia and I know the Russian security services. Whatever else they may be, they are extremely well-equipped, experienced and efficient and embedded into a social fabric accustomed to cooperation with their mastery. This scenario is simply impossible in the real world.
We have, by the official account, the involvement of the two Tsarnaev brothers, the FBI and the Russian security services. The FBI have a massive recent record of running agent provocateur operations to entrap gullible Muslims into terrorism. The Russian security services have form on false flag Chechen bombings. Where the truth lies may be difficult to dig out. But the above official version is not true.
Really? Hollywood? Did you personally see any of the crime photos? For that matter, what experience do you have in ballistics, especially terminal ballistics?
Look, you’re trying to bash anything I say as if it is personally assaulting your world view (and maybe that’s a good thing, we’ll see). I’m wanting to hear HOW YOU would handle some of these situations personally. Just answer this question:
If America is bad or to blame, especially for our laws for man, made by man, and there is a conspiracy, then how would you handle things? You can be a supreme dictatorial ruler, or a President with popular support. I don’t care, just tell me what you propose? How would you have personally done things for last weeks situation? How would you uncover a grand conspiracy and then go about making it so it could never happen again?
It’s real easy to be a critic, and another to propose the solution, especially if you don’t know our political system, laws, history, etc. Going back to some social contract theory here, you live in a nation state which has laws don’t you? You pay taxes don’t you? You have certain granted rights as a citizen don’t you? By theory you knowingly or unknowingly give up certain individual rights to live in a democratically governed society in order to have rights that you can not have if you lived on your own private island, right?
If you don’t agree with any of that, would you at least agree that Washington D.C. is the capitol of the US?
Dreoilin;
Don’t get mired down in the Rands. They mime a good civil liberties trope, but they are insane.
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“Really? Hollywood? Did you personally see any of the crime photos? For that matter, what experience do you have in ballistics, especially terminal ballistics?”
I know what certain kinds of bullets do, Spalding. It’s the terminology I object to. It’s teenager threatening stuff. It’s been used against me on Twitter. This silly stuff about water melons. I’ve heard it a thousand times – always from the very violent USA.
You’re so absorbed in methods of making police operations work, that civil rights and human rights are probably about number 20 or lower on your list of priorities. And that is why the USA is going down the drain.
“How would you uncover a grand conspiracy and then go about making it so it could never happen again?”
What grand conspiracy? Seems to me it was two brothers working on their own. They may have been enticed by the FBI to start with, but for some reason they got spooked and decided to go it alone. We know the FBI had information on them and was sloppy in handling it. Maybe if they hadn’t been running around like headless chickens making sure everyone stayed indoors, they’d have paid more attention to their own research/databases.
As for “making it so it could never happen again” – that’s not too difficult, if you’re talking about Muslims. The USA needs to stop invading, occupying and bombing the shit out of Muslim countries and killing people with drones. Then the blowback will stop. The USA also needs to stop interfering in the lives of people and governments of other countries – stop toppling governments it doesn’t happen to like, and installing US puppets instead. And pretending it’s all because of a “responsibility to protect” – protect my arse. The Iraqi people weren’t ‘protected’. They were killed and abused. In their thousands.
US politicians (including Obama) also need to stop lying about Iran.
“In testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday March 12, 2013, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper reaffirmed what the U.S. intelligence community has been saying for years: Iran has no nuclear weapons program, is not building a nuclear weapon and has not even made a decision to do so.
“The annual “Worldwide Threat Assessment,” which compiles the collective conclusions of all American intelligence agencies, has long held that Iran maintains defensive capabilities and has a military doctrine of deterrence and retaliation, but is not an aggressive state actor and has no intention of beginning a conflict, let alone triggering a nuclear apocalypse.”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34672.htm
Americans call “terrorist” bombers “cowards”, but how could there be anything more cowardly than guys sitting in some control room blasting the shit out of innocent people on the ground thousands of miles away, with the push of a button? THAT’S cowardice, Spalding. That’s not “bravery”.
If some people engage in terrorism with IEDs, the American Government engages in terrorism with drones. Face it. It’s a fact.
And I won’t even get on to their 100% backing of the disgusting apartheid regime Israel is running.
“Don’t get mired down in the Rands. They mime a good civil liberties trope, but they are insane.”
Sorry Ben? you’ve lost me.
Spalding,
You sound rather confused.
I note you completely side-swerved what i thought were very fair and valid questions from Dreoilin.
That tells its own story of course.
First off:
debka is rubbish, it has Dzhokar going to Dartmouth College, an “elite” Ivy League school in Hanover NH, rather than UMass at Dartmouth, a non-elite state university – albeit which had on faculty a prof specializing in Chechen culture and history, with whom Dzhokar had contact with 4 years prior. Their second point is equally dodgy.
Second:
The older brother definitely had Sunni jihadist videos on his youtube page, from Shaykh Feiz Muhammad (http://www.halaltube.com/speaker/feiz-muhammad … which seems to have disappeared in the last few hours) and other sources so I don’t at all believe what RT is saying about him.
As for the younger brother, I wonder if there wasn’t some intense mind-control/brainwashing going on, from his older brother (and perhaps his mother). The fact that the younger brother supposedly did the bombing at 2:50 pm, then hung out for 10 minutes, then made it back to his dorm room at UMass Dartmouth some 60 miles away to make a tweet at 5:04pm Monday, is certainly plausible, but then his behavior from then until Thursday night is a bit odd. He goes to classes and parties like nothing has happened.
Then the FBI puts up his image on the net at 5:10pm on Thursday, he leaves UMass Dartmouth and inexplicably drives 60 miles to Boston, in the middle of hundreds of police and military looking for him and his brother. They know his name, and they’ve got to know his address, phone number, driver’s license number and tag and a description of his car – Dzhokar Tsarnaev isn’t exactly a common name in the US.
Despite having all of that info, he gets into Boston undetected and goes on the rampage with his brother… ending in his capture Friday night. The rampage begins with a “loud disturbance call” answered by an MIT officer – not a “shots fired” call or “explosion” – and who were the other parties to this “loud disturbance”? MIT students? The officer gets shot dead, then the two suspects either rob a 7-11 (first story, with picture of Dzhokar Tsarnaev in hoody) or do not rob a 7-11(second story)… and what’s going on with that?
There are lots of unanswered questions, but the fact that the behavior apparently is switched on and off like a light switch leads one to believe either some sort of cultic mind control has taken place or the two are really dangerous psychopaths, the younger with no history of psychopathological behavior at all before last week.
Third:
The naked man, presumably Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was placed in the left rear side of the police car. The picture of the body in the morgue shows one entrance wound, about the size of a .45 calibre bullet, in the middle of his left side, just below the rib cage, with blackening around the edges which would correspond to a gunshot wound at point blank range.
There is consequent postmortem lividity around the lower part of the face and right shoulder, which might be caused by the body falling to the right in the back seat with the right side of the head, neck, and shoulder being at a lower level than the heart, causing blood to pool there postmortem.
It would be reasonable to conclude that he was given a bit of “street justice” by someone who shot him while he was sitting in the police car – and if Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a true jihadist, it might have been just what he was looking for – death in battle at the hands of the enemy is, in their belief, the only sure way to Paradise. There is a large wound in his left breast which appears to be an unrepaired surgical wound, as well.
Fourth:
The US government appears to have been coopted by Sunni Muslims in its concerns over the spread of Shia influence – especially in Iran where the secular dictatorship of the US-backed Shah was overthrown: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3672/muslim-brotherhood-us-government
Fifth:
The Cambridge mosque where Tamerlan Tsarnaev went has a reputation for harboring and promoting Sunni jihadist elements: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/23/boston-mosque-radicals/2101411/ Notable events include:
“Jacobs said Ahmed Mansour, his co-director at Americans for Peace and Tolerance, found writings by Syed Qutb, the former leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, and other jihadi texts at the Cambridge mosque’s library when Mansour went there in 2003. Qutb pioneered the radical violent ideology espoused by al-Qaeda.
Yusuf al Qaradawi, the Muslim Brotherhood spiritual leader who espouses radical views in videos collected by Jacobs’ group, was listed as a trustee on the Cambridge mosque’s IRS filings until 2000, and on the mosque’s website until 2003, when he addressed congregants via recorded video message to raise money for the Boston mosque, according to a screenshot of the announcement that Feoktistov provided.
Vali said Qaradawi was listed as an honorary trustee years ago only because his scholarship and high esteem in Muslim circles would help with fundraising.
Yasir Qadhi, who lectured at the Boston mosque in April 2009, has advocated replacing U.S. democracy with Islamic rule and called Christians “filthy” polytheists whose “life and prosperity … holds no value in the state of Jihad,” according to a video obtained by Jacobs’ group.
Vali said Qadhi was a guest of a non-profit organization that was renting space at the Boston mosque and has changed his views since that video was made.
Jacobs and others say it is not only renters who express sympathetic views for terrorists. Leaders of the Boston and Cambridge mosques, and invited guests, have advocated on behalf of convicted terrorists, urging followers to seek their release or lenient sentences.”
The recent disclaimers by Vali, the imam at the mosque, ought to be regarded as taqiyya in light of the above.
I’d say that the myopia towards Tamerlan Tsarnaev exhibited by the US national security apparatus has a lot to do with the penetration/cooptation of that apparatus by Sunni elements. Otherwise, I’d say that this looks an awful lot like the 1993 World Trade Center bombing plot.
This, while not being conclusive, is worth considering. Again I cannot pass judgment from stills but if the man’s Youtube account keeps being taken down, and others cannot contact him there may be good reason.
http://extremeprejudiceusa.wordpress.com/2013/04/21/19-year-old-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-still-had-backpack-after-boston-marathon-bombing-see-proof/
Rands is what I call Ron Paul and his Spawn, Dreolin. The Libertarians have grown to immense numbers in the last 10 years, because conservatives are running from their ideology and trying to reinvent. They are stealth conservatives who shape-shift as the wind blows. They really don’t give a crap about ‘martial law’ from others, as they have a brand of their own.
But i apologize for horning in.
“But i apologize for horning in.”
Not at all, Ben. Oh, THOSE Rands, yes, I get you now. I was still thinking of the ACLU.
Spalding,
Washington D.C., is the capitAl of the United States. And it’s full of crooks.
The USA is run by corporations. Who pay off the politicians. Freedom and democracy my ass.
I wouldn’t live in the USA if I was paid $1 million. And that’s the truth.
Oh don’t get me started. If there’s anything that I would be a martyr against it’s the radicalization of Islam, specifically anyone who wishes to impose sharia, and cite religious freedom. The Archbishop of Canterbury was extremely misguided when he supported it in England, but hey it’s not my country. Do you know of Dr. Tawfik Hamid? He used to study under Ayman al-Zawahiri, you know the new leader of ‘The Base’. Read some of his stuff, download his ebook, or read some his articles. I’m in total agreement with the man, especially since he’s a former Jihadist militant..
You know its only been since the 70’s that currently accepted, mainstream Islamic books started bringing back the whole ‘Jews are pigs and monkeys’. One of the reason is that the Arab states tried a few times to wipe Israel off the map, and lost pretty bad. It’s interesting that Israel allows other forms of worship, and has street signs in Arabic. How about in Sharia based nation states? Tell me all about the Saudi’s, and tell me about their loving system with an abundance of human rights. They’re the model for the whole world. What gets me is most of sharia doesn’t come from the Qur’an, but rather hadiths….
Tell me, why some Quran’s, which were mistaken at a trash dump in Afghanistan ignited riots and the death of 9 U.N. aid workers after nightly prayers? Tell me, that if America and other countries got out and had nothing to do in those countries ever again that there wouldn’t be any violence, especially Muslim on Muslim violence? It’s crazy to me when a mistake or something so offensive by the West has happened mass flag burnings, riots, and murders happens. Why don’t they ever act in the same manner when their is extreme Muslim on Muslim violence? Nothing is said, and the so called moderates at best say nothing. Why don’t they condemn these atrocities?
My wife is from a 98% Muslim country, and she’s a Muslim. However because of the long running secularized government there most of the citizens want nothing to do with an Islamist based government(See Kemalism). Until an incident with Israel a little bit back, they not only recognize Israel as a country, but had diplomatic relations. How about the Saudi’s, or many other sharia based states?
Before you cite the plight of the Palastinians, let me remind you that the people elected Hamas. There number one agenda is to wipe Israel off the map. Israel isn’t going anywhere, like them or not, and Hamas won’t even negotiate. If you won’t even talk to me, then how can any sort of common ground be reached? Israel gave back the Sinai to Egypt in return for a peace treaty.
As for Iran (and even North Korea), no one here in the US wants another war. However, nukes are not a joke. These places will always be watched and can remain isolated for all I care. I feel bad for the people.. As far as the US getting involved in another place for WMD’s, well there is now evidence according to the British, French, and others that Syria has used chemical weapons. However we are ‘investigating’ because it was said by the President that if they used them, it would cross a ‘red line’ threshold. Because we don’t want to be in another war, we’re buying time and looking for ways not to have that line crossed. The other nations who can prove this should send their people in first. Maybe they can prevent another Libya, and even support a student uprising for a peaceful revolution that ends with the Muslim Brotherhood taking over!
Personally I feel that we should totally isolate ourselves, like in WWII. We should let other nations be the police or fight threats world wide.
You waffle and waffle, and waffle some more, Spalding, but you don’t directly reply to anything I say. (Like IEDs v drones, and the USA practising terror and toppling other countries’ governments.)
“My wife is from a 98% Muslim country, and she’s a Muslim.”
Yeah, and some of my friends and relatives are American.
I’m done with you.
“Personally I feel that we should totally isolate ourselves”
I wish to god you would. Goodnight.
See that last point in the Mother Jones article: “Keep the hostage’s phone. The Tsarnaevs continued on without their hostage—but they did have his phone, which allowed police to track their location via GPS.”
That means that the police knew exactly where Dzhokar was at *all* times, rendering the big production with the massive amounts of police and house to house searches in Watertown absolutely unnecessary – as was the “tip” by the resident at the house where he was “found”. http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/04/eleven-most-mystifying-things-tsarnaev-brothers-did
You never answered any of mine.
What would you like me say about the drones. It really builds terror in the enemy. In Yemen if you are attacked by one and live you’re a celebrity, and if killed by one you a super, gold star martyr… Yes they kill innocents, but hey it’s better than sending in ground resources. And guess what, the Pakistani Taliban was one of the first to deny any involvement in last week’s bombings. Think they’ve had some effect there for sure! We don’t use IED’s, and why would we? We have proper missiles and explosives we can use in a variety of ways…..
Going back to Dr. Hamid, we can’t fight them conventionally as they can’t, and we don’t want to seize any land. So let’s look at the ROOT causes of their grievances and what they REALLY want. It all goes back to Wahabis’ism, it’s education, and it’s spread by the Saudi’s. The world must do a better job along with true moderate’s who refuse to remain silent.
Typically, while some might call some of our actions terror, for the most part we buy off or install new governments. We have never taken them and kept them like other colonial powers (BRITAIN). Usually we just want a resource. Like OIL. Isn’t that why most conventional wars are fought? I wonder if the US government knew when we could get a lot of oil there, and started bringing is oil companies if things would be as they are now. Maybe then we would have taken Saudi….
As far as Isolationism, we tried that long before there was a global economy. We still had to send much support and material to you guys or you’d be speaking German. It was only after attack that we joined in. As far as being the dominant nation to police the world how about that envoy of yours in 1946 who brought a note from home saying Britain is bankrupt, and can no longer control it’s colonies? That’s when we became the NWO… And since then I’ve often questioned if we should be doing it to begin with. What if we would have told the envoy, ‘sorry about that man. I hope you guys have better days… Keep in touch!’
streamfortyseven,
Good article, but more and more information is coming, and hopefully it will get stranger. Also, as for as GPS tracking them, was the phone on at all times? Some tools for locating are only accurate up to 1500 – 1000 yards… Did the police call them at all if they knew the device and it’s number? The BB Gun is WILD! I guess if you can’t kill them, you can still put an eye out!
comment from a friend:
“Listening to the police scanner online, I am always hearing dispatchers say things about “We have a 911 hang-up call from a cell phone within 15 meters (Or even 3 meters) of X Y street corner or address….”
So as far as people actively making calls, the cops in a town like this can locate a phone fairly close to where its at…..that same technology also enables them (If they wanted) to track a phone in motion. SOME phones even when “turned off” are STILL putting out a signal tha can be tracked.”
And look at the updates as regard the number of guns found on the suspects – Dzhokar, who was supposed to have fired at the police from the boat had *no* guns on him, and none were found in the boat, and Tamerlan, originally said to have possessed an M4 carbine, a BB gun, and two 9mm pistols now has a single 9mm pistol and a BB gun… I suppose the next report will be that the “9mm” will be a BB gun which looks like a 9mm pistol… I’m just waiting for that.
Even odder is the fact that the complaint against Dzhokar doesn’t mention the shooting death of the MIT police officer…
SO you think these guys are innocent and were set up? If so, why? Why do you feel it was done and what do you feel was the goal or intended end result?
Innocent? not as to the older brother, not in the least; as to the younger brother, I think there’s a good chance that he was either brainwashed or his will was overcome in some way not presently apparent. He did what he did, whether he knew or intended his actions is a different story. As to motive? Instill fear in the US population, make it politically poison to oppose further “national security” measures, make raids like Watertown acceptable to the US population – as evidenced by the rally after the capture with the USA, USA chant…
What happened politically after the 1993 WTC bombing, especially as to “national security”? How about after 911 – that’s obvious, the PATRIOT Act got run through Congress in a big hurry with lots of members saying they hadn’t even read it.
Spalding.
Quit while you’re behind mate.
Or at least until your shift supervisor tells you to clear your desk.
Thankee.
Yeah it’s true things were rushed through. My big concern is homegrown people, and the Timothy McVeigh’s out there. Up until the jihadists, that was the worst act of terrorism in the US. And low speed explosives are usually what are chosen and result in massive structural damage. The BB gun!! That screams international terrorism 🙂
My shift supervisor. . Hahaha!!! Good one mate! Up for some spotted dick are you?
In contrast, Dzhokar’s “statement” that the attack was meant as a protest of the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is odd, inasmuch as no press statement – or anything – was produced after the bombing. If such an action is a protest, generally there is some sort of public statement or communique or manifesto – but he just went back to UMass, was there by 5:04pm on the day of the blast and went to classes and parties as normal… and that’s just bloody odd. No PTSD, no nightmares, no indication in the least that anything was amiss, even these tweets:
Jahar @J_tsar 15 Apr
@MelloChamp and they what “god hates dead people?” Or victims of tragedies? Lol those people are cooked
[clearly in reference to the WBC/Phelps clan statement about the blast]
Jahar @J_tsar 15 Apr
Ain’t no love in the heart of the city, stay safe people
[inexplicable – if he was in full awareness of what he did, could he have just said this? There’s absolutely no indication of any prior psychopathology with him, but if he full and well knew what he did and tweeted this, he’s a sick, twisted psychopath, a candidate for a state institution for the criminally insane. None of the people who saw him noticed any difference in him… nothing.]
https://twitter.com/J_tsar
Spalding,
Your continued reference to spotted dick reveals a shallow, anchronistic and immature mind dependant on cliches and cultural caricatures.
Do try harder,old chap hmmm?
Spot on Jives. Good sport.
Jives do you feel there’s a conspiracy, and if there is what’s the desired results?
How may firearms did they have?
Along with several pipe bombs, law enforcement officials recovered four guns they believed the Tsarnaevs used, according to a report in the New York Times (Update: officials are now saying only one 9 mm handgun was recovered.) Authorities believe three of the firearms—two handguns of unspecified makes and models, and a BB gun—were used in the dramatic early morning shootout with police in Watertown that left Tamerlan dead.
Did they have military-grade weapons?
The other gun, described by the Times as an M-4 carbine rifle “similar to ones used by American forces in Afghanistan,” was reportedly found on the boat in the Watertown driveway where Dzhokhar was captured. It is unclear whether the rifle is a semi-automatic civilian model or the selective-fire model used by the military.
[See Update 2 below…]
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Will the ATF be able to trace their weapons?
According to the Washington Post, authorities are attempting to trace one of the Tsarnaevs’ handguns, whose serial number was removed. If technicians are able to determine the serial number, they plan to hand it over to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives in West Virginia.
UPDATE, Wednesday, April 24: The Associated Press reports that two US officials are saying that Boston bombing investigators have just one 9 mm handgun that they believe was used in the Tsarnaevs’ shootout with police. That contradicts the Sunday report in the New York Times, which cited an unnamed official who said the brothers used two handguns and a BB gun during the shootout.
UPDATE 2, Thursday, April 25: According to a report in the New York Times, law enforcement officials are now saying that Dzhokhar had no gun with him in the boat where he was captured. Earlier, officials said there had been an exchange of gunfire between police and Dzhokhar, but now, according to the Times, “officials say they are exploring what prompted officers to fire at Mr. Tsarnaev, who some feared was armed with explosives.” (Previous reports suggesting that Dzhokhar tried to kill himself in the boat with a self-inflicted gun shot apparently were inaccurate.) Officials reportedly have recovered only one gun, a 9 mm Ruger they believe was used by Tamerlan.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/04/tsarnaev-brothers-guns-boston-marathon-bombing