Alisher Usmanov

by craig on May 18, 2013 12:00 pm in Uncategorized

Now officially Britain’s wealthiest man, Alisher Usmanov has perhaps the world’s most carefully manicured Wikipedia entry. This article looks interesting and worrying. Can anyone do a good translation? Automatic web translators seem to struggle with it even more than usual. Please do not post any automated translations.

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  1. April Showers

    18 May, 2013 - 12:24 pm

    This is the link to the Hungarian original.
    http://index.hu/tech/uzlet/2011/04/12/igy_foglaljak_el_az_oroszok_az_internetet/

    This is the Yuri Milner referred to within. New one on me
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Milner

  2. Automatic web translators are by and large a disaster. They can’t cope with idiomatic expressions.

  3. @April Showers

    Thanks for the Hungarian original.

    If nobody on here can do anything with the translation before Wednesday I can give it to my husband to look at then – he’s Hungarian (although a bit rusty with the language now). Can’t do before – he’s in a hospital 70kms away and no transport till then!

  4. A Google search turned up quite a lot of info on the DST links between the two – mainly straightforward news about Facebook investment but this also came up:

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2155637

    Whether there’s a word of truth in the back-forth gossip is anyone’s guess.

  5. “…perhaps the world’s most carefully manicured Wikipedia entry”

    Yes; I discovered this some time last year, I think. I drew attention to the removal of correctly sourced material (at Wikipedia, this is called “vandalism”) and more senior Wikipedians applied a “neutrality of this article is disputed” tag; I see that it has been removed.

    Much dirt on Usmanov is still recorded at Wikipedia; it just doesn’t appear on the main page of the article. You have to look back through that article’s History, where you will find the large chunks of well-referenced material that someone regularly removes.

    As “Britain’s wealthiest man”, Usmanov can afford to pay his employees to sanitise his Wikipedia article. I expect Usmanov’s diligent helper(s) will show up here soon, to tell us that Craig is wrong and Usmanov is a fine, upstanding philanthropist. Hmmm. If Usmanov was really so virtuous, he wouldn’t need helpers removing sourced material about him from Wikipedia.

  6. Craig, I just noticed this part of Usmanov’s Wikipedia entry:

    “In May 2009, Digital Sky Technologies (which later changed its name to “Mail.ru Group”),[44] a company in which he owns a 32-percent stake, paid $200 million for a 1.96-percent stake in social networking website Facebook.[45]”

    Mail.ru is, of course, an e-mail provider; alliances between e-mail providers and Facebook are particularly powerful for connecting on-line interests, activities and contacts with personal identity. Interesting, since Usmanov has been convicted of blackmail, I believe.

  7. April Showers

    18 May, 2013 - 2:27 pm

    Thanks Indigo and Clark.

    Have nothing to do with social media like Twitter and Facebook is my motto.

    Zuckerberg is a hypocrite too.

    Zuckerberg ‘likes’ Keystone XL pipeline
    http://business.financialpost.com/2013/05/02/zuckerberg-likes-keystone-xl/?__lsa=dbd5-11c9

  8. Ben Franklin, compliments to you for opening an Editor’s account at Wikipedia. I’ve belatedly replied to your comment on the “Virus” thread:

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/05/virus/#comment-408495

    Yes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution looks like another Wikipedia page that has been deliberately “scrubbed”.

  9. April Showers

    18 May, 2013 - 3:22 pm

    Cameron is now holding two tigers by the tail – the EU and the Scottish referenda.

    Tory co-chairman Lord Feldman denies ‘swivel-eyed loon slur’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22579346

    Will the Guardian and Telegraph retract? Farage apparently knows who made the remark.

    Then there’s the attack on Farage in Edinburgh and a suggestion that it was allowed to happen. This is Galloway:

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1368885651.html

  10. @April Showers

    Having just read Galloway’s interview all I can say is “total shite”!

    An anti-English crowd? Crap. Anti-Farage and anti-UKIP policies, yes; anti-English, no.

    And then he had the unadultered nerve to call UKIP the third party in UK politics. Since when ? Since they took a claimed 23% in the shires and a few urban areas of England in council elections. This doesn’t yet add up to the third party in Britain.

    Why would the BBC want Galloway’s uniquely biased and largely untruthful description of events and point of view, though?

    I think we all know the answer to that.

  11. doug scorgie

    18 May, 2013 - 4:50 pm

    Israel paying internet workers to edit on-line content like, as in this example Wikipedia

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-x2DFnGI9Ac

  12. “An anti-English crowd? Crap. Anti-Farage and anti-UKIP policies, yes; anti-English, no.”

    You have evidence?

    “And then he had the unadultered nerve to call UKIP the third party in UK politics. Since when ? Since they took a claimed 23% in the shires and a few urban areas of England in council elections. This doesn’t yet add up to the third party in Britain.”

    But a YouGov poll commissioned by the Sun showed UKIP had 9% support while LibDems only had 8%.

    I think Galloway has a valid point, thuggery and bullying has no place in British politics. When a Nationalist party starts sending out thugs to threaten and intimidate the opposition it has all the hallmarks of 1930s Germany.

  13. Fred,

    Unfortunately you have overlooked the point – as have the media – that the group demonstrating are quite specifically opposed to the SNP. They view it as too conservative. You, like the media, substantially exaggerate the level of violence involved.

  14. @Fred

    But a YouGov poll commissioned by the Sun showed UKIP had 9% support while LibDems only had 8%.

    It’s a poll … I’ll be prepared to admit UKIP is the third party in British politics when the election results are in for 2015.

    I think Galloway has a valid point, thuggery and bullying has no place in British politics. When a Nationalist party starts sending out thugs to threaten and intimidate the opposition it has all the hallmarks of 1930s Germany.

    Did you look at all the broadcast footage of the meeting inside the pub as well as outside? Thought not.

    There were no thugs present. They were students … outside they were vociferous, argumentative, a bit noisy and they made fun of Farage but there were no apparent threats to the person. They merely made clear that they disagreed with UKIP policies. That is called freedom of speech.

    Incidentally, the person who organised the demonstration claimed on Newsnight that a group of them had tried in the pub to engage in a dialogue with Farage but that he refused to answer their questions and insulted a female member of their company. Television footage taken in the pub appears to back up their claims for it showed that the students were attempting to talk to Farage in an non-agressive manner.

    Those taking part in the demonstration were not members of the SNP but belonged to a loose grouping of left-wing independentists. They were not sent out by the SNP who had absolutely nothing to do with the demonstration.

    Finally, you speak of “opposition” … UKIP? … In Scotland? … In Farage’s dreams!

  15. technicolour

    18 May, 2013 - 5:36 pm

    (passing through in a rush): cheers, Indigo

  16. “When a Nationalist party starts sending out thugs to threaten and intimidate the opposition it has all the hallmarks of 1930s Germany.”

    Should this ever happen – and do let us know if it does – you might (just then) be right, as is a stopped clock sometimes. Until then it is all falling rocks in the empty canyons of your mind. Red Fred on top is simpleton orange Billy underneath, and has the cheek to talk of threats and intimidation, when his lot wrote the book, flog the T-shirts. It has come as no surprise to learn that many of what were called Scots-Irish, hailed actually from Northumberland, Cumbria and Durham, these places becoming so much the better, relieved by the departure of so many troublemaking supremacist barbarians.

    Unoriginal, unimaginative unionist smear tactics just don’t cut it any more Fred.

    You are George Foulkes/George Galloway/Oxymoron-5 and I claim my x pairs of union flag pants.

    BritNat lectures on nationalism –oh the irony, what a clueless sycophantic hypocrite!

    Your sorry addition to the glut of toxic mainstream media claptrap and mendacious lying, the tide of suppurating spin, is superfluous, like you.

    Do fuck off Fred, take your broken records with you.

  17. “Unfortunately you have overlooked the point – as have the media – that the group demonstrating are quite specifically opposed to the SNP. They view it as too conservative. You, like the media, substantially exaggerate the level of violence involved.”

    So are you saying that the protesters weren’t members of the Radical Independence Campaign after all?

  18. “It’s a poll … I’ll be prepared to admit UKIP is the third party in British politics when the election results are in for 2015.”

    Well I wouldn’t want to deny you your little foibles so long as you accept that George was basing his statement on the current data.

    “Incidentally, the person who organised the demonstration claimed on Newsnight that a group of them had tried in the pub to engage in a dialogue with Farage but that he refused to answer their questions and insulted a female member of their company. Television footage taken in the pub appears to back up their claims for it showed that the students were attempting to talk to Farage in an non-agressive manner. ”

    Which is why one of them has been charged with breach of the peace and another with assault I suppose.

  19. “Do fuck off Fred, take your broken records with you.”

    Did you have any comment on the disgraceful events in Edinburgh or did you just decide hurling a few insults would further the discussion?

  20. Yeah like that Gandhi bloke, he was thrown into jail.

    Farage came for a publicity stunt, he got one rather not to his liking. That’ll teach him.

    Crocodile tears, the sympathy string it seems is the only shot let in the unionist playbook.

    Seems he’s pocketed over £2 million quid in his MEP job, alright for some.

    Loved this: http://norrie.wordpress.com/2013/05/17/farage-a-tad-premature/

  21. April Showers

    18 May, 2013 - 6:40 pm

    Indigo Just because I posted that please don’t think I support Farage or UKIP. I belong to no political party. Farage feeds on publicity like all the others.

    ~~~

    I was pulling out grasses from amongst a bed of lily of the valley today. The scent was overpowering although there were no bees at all to be seen. I was reminded that my parents married on this day in 1939 and that my mother is seen in the photo carrying a posy of lily of the valley. I wonder if they knew that war was coming within four months?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_World_War_II_(1939)11

  22. Craig says, “You, like the media, substantially exaggerate the level of violence involved.”

    I saw UKIP MEP Roger Helmer on Channel 4 last night talking darkly about “anti-democratic shouting of slogans”. Made me hoot. I gathered from Ch4 report that the protestors were almost all students. When did students NOT shout slogans? And why shouldn’t they?

  23. @Fred

    Firstly:
    “… so long as you accept that George was basing his statement on the current data”.

    What data? George is basing his statement on what he thinks is in George’s interests to say. As he always does.

    Secondly:
    Which is why one of them has been charged with breach of the peace and another with assault I suppose.

    There were around 100 protesters … 2 charged with minor offences makes 2% … hardly indicative of the crowd of thugs and bullies that you were claiming. The more serious of the minor charges, assault, concerned the pouring a can of coca-cola over the head of Lord Monckton, UKIP’s President in Scotland. The person charged, Mike Shaw, a student, is English – and proud of it, he says.
    The other, as you say, was breach of the peace. Here’s the definition of Breach of the Peace under Scots law.

    “The Scots law definition of a breach of the peace is “conduct severe enough to cause alarm to ordinary people and threaten serious disturbance to the community.[8]”
    Breach of the peace can include, but is not limited to, any riotous behaviours (which includes ‘rowdiness’ or ‘brawling’) and any disorderly behaviour. This behaviour doesn’t have to be noisy but still of a nature that would cause concern to other people.
    To prove a Breach of the Peace the most important things to prove is that someone was Alarmed, Annoyed or Disturbed by the incident.
    This offence can take place anywhere i.e. a house, a public street, a private office or any public space”.

    Neither of these offenses has “the hallmarks of 1930s Germany” and you should hang your head in shame for this remark.

  24. Donald MacDonald

    18 May, 2013 - 7:29 pm

    Fred need to take his bowler hat off for a bit, it’s slipped down over his ears and eyes.

    Labourites don’t like the fact that they’re not the Left anymore, and the bowler hat and sash types don’t like their empire being taken away.

    Bit sore, eh?

  25. @April Showers

    I didn’t for one nano-second think you supported Farage or his party! I should have said something to you when I first posted but I read Galloway’s statement and got a little hot under the collar …

    Your politics are probably like mine … injustice and bigotry in whatever form anger me … politicians don’t solve this. They never have. You can’t look to them for answers – they’re not interested no matter which political persuasion they claim.

    Recently I saw a quote from the Torah that I liked but I wish I knew how to put it into practice … Tikkun olam; essentially, “go out and heal the world”.

    On the 1st. May in France all women, female partners, wives etc. are presented, first thing in the morning, with a bunch of lily of the valley by their husbands and/or men in their family. I get mine in a small glass of water on the dining table with a pot of coffee made and brioche, butter and apricot jam! … There’s something about lily of the valley …

  26. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    18 May, 2013 - 7:49 pm

    This thread has gone off-topic and degenerated into a slanging match centering on Nigel Farage/UKIP’s meeting in Scotland.

    Three guesses as to the identity of the commenter who kicked off this disruption and side-tracking……

    Hint : 15h22 today.

    A mere 3 hrs and 22 mins after Craig posted.

  27. “[…] The more serious of the minor charges, assault, concerned the pouring a can of coca-cola over the head of Lord Monckton, UKIP’s President in Scotland”

    If true this just gets funnier and funnier; and some wag has now set it to music.

    “LAMENT on the predicament of the member of the European Parliament for South East England, Mr. Nigel Paul Farage, upon alighting in Auld Reikie, one May afternoon”

    http://logicsrock.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/the-blue-blanket-flies-again.html

  28. “What data?”

    The YouGove poll I told you about. Ignore it if you want but that is the current data so George is stating facts and you are the one fantasising. Was a time I wouldn’t have believed a party like the SNP could ever get into power, they hardly had an MP in Parliament from the end of WWII till they found that damned oil but people have their weaknesses and there will always be people like Salmond and Farage to take advantage of them. LibDem popularity has fallen fast since they sold out to the Tories, UKIP popularity is rising fast mainly by default, all the other parties are shit as well.

    You can play down the events in Edinburgh all you want but I think any rational person would agree that that is not the way forward for UK politics, everyone, no matter how odious he is must be allowed to campaign without harassment. UKIP have declared their intention to field a candidate in the Aberdeen Donside by-election and even though they won’t win they could well take votes from the SNP. No politician should be prevented from campaigning by the intimidation of a mob.

  29. “Fred need to take his bowler hat off for a bit, it’s slipped down over his ears and eyes.”

    Anyone reading this forum could get the impression all Nationalists are obnoxious little shits who are totally devoid of rational argument so just hurl ad hominem comments.

    The leader of a main UK political party goes to Edinburgh to campaign for a by-election and is shouted down harassed and intimidated by Nationalist Black Shirts and anyone who points out that this certainly is not democracy gets abuse thrown at them by Nationalist Black Shirts.

  30. @Fred

    “What data?”

    “The YouGove poll I told you about. Ignore it if you want but that is the current data so George is stating facts and you are the one fantasising”.

    I’d like to remind you what Galloway said:

    That Farage’s barracking was, “[the] shape of things to come. It can only cause hatred between English and Scottish people.”

    That it was, “pure embarrassment for Scotland”.

    That he held, “no candle for Nigel Farage but if leaders of democratic parties with substantial support are to be driven out of Scotland under police protection, it’s not going to be much of an advertisement for visitors and investors”.

    That, “The whole event had a very anti-English character, it was very ugly. The language and behaviour of the protesters and the pathetic response of the police, who couldn’t even secure a press event held by the third party of the state, doesn’t say much for Scotland if it wishes to become independent”.

    That, “This kind of roughhouse is only justified against fascist leaders, and Farage is definitely not a fascist.”

    That, “the behaviour of the protesters brought shame on Scotland. Farage represents a lot of people in Britain. I wish it were not so but this is a democracy. Who’s next? If I hold a meeting in Edinburgh is that going to happen to me just because I don’t support Scottish independence? Alex Salmond has to make a clear an unequivocal condemnation of it and he hasn’t. He feeds on this acrimony on a national basis, on the basis of a border.”

    Now, I don’t know about you but I can find not one word in that statement of Galloway’s that says anything about a YouGov poll that makes UKIP the third party in Britain.

    I suggest that if you are going to debate on this site or any other that you first learn how to debate logically and second – don’t treat those with whom you are debating as fools.

  31. @Fred

    And please desist with your misplaced WWII fascist vocabulary … it’s an insult to the victims of that war.

  32. “Now, I don’t know about you but I can find not one word in that statement of Galloway’s that says anything about a YouGov poll that makes UKIP the third party in Britain.”

    He said UKIP was the third party in British politics, you said he was talking shite, the YouGov poll says he wasn’t.

    Is that logical enough for you?

    There is a new poll out today, a ComRes poll for the Independent, they have UKIP on 19% and Lib Dems on 8%.

    http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

    Logic is what the numbers say, not what you want to believe.

  33. “And please desist with your misplaced WWII fascist vocabulary … it’s an insult to the victims of that war.”

    Like Arthur Donaldson?

  34. @Fred

    Never let it be said that I can’t admit error … when I said that there was no word in Galloway’s statement about UKIP’s third place in the British political parties.

    I misread. There was.

    The rest of his statement is still shite.

  35. April Showers

    18 May, 2013 - 9:18 pm

    Mr Maduro’s election win has been verified.

    Bad luck Capriles or should I say Radonski which will inflame the RI…again.

    ‘Zero error’ in Venezuelan poll results
    http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/133007

    and off topic too!

  36. @April Showers

    Off topic? So what. It seems all the threads go off topic for one reason or another.

    Do I have to present my excuses to the others who may have wished to post this evening? Don’t answer that … I may feel so embarrassed that I never come back!

    I enjoyed … sometimes like an argument.

    There’s a quote about Scots written by some 14th or 15th century Frenchman that says, “Les Ecossais n’aiment point la paix”.

    Sometimes still true today, I’m afraid!

  37. “The rest of his statement is still shite.”

    I’m not exactly a member of the George Galloway fan club but he is remarkably well informed about a lot of things and the seedier side of Scottish politics is one of them.

    Hard to think of anyone better placed to give an opinion.

  38. Donald MacDonald

    18 May, 2013 - 9:45 pm

    Yeah, Goggs is well-placed; ex-Labour, the dirtiest, most in-bred party of the lot.

    Black shirts, Fred? Really, you are losing it, aren’t you.

    In the seventies, when I was a leftie student, we chased the NF out of Edinburgh and one lad banjaxed the heid bummer with a ‘No Nazis’ placard. This was a sewing bee in comparison.

    But it suits your agenda to big it up. Like it suited von Papen to big up wee Adolf.

    Farage has bandied about the ‘N’ word and said that the ‘nig-nogs’ would never vote UKIP. He’s a very presentable face of a very dark underbelly indeed.

    Be careful. They’re smarter than you.

  39. On Arthur Donaldson, nothing new under the sun. Fred quite happy with the idea of arbitary contrived arrest, but not with some spirited heckling. Guy Liddell too! the Fifth man, or was it the Sixth if you count Hollis, or Seventh if you count Lord Trend. Spooks abound.

    This is a must read:

    http://the-universality-of-cheese.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/grand-old-man-of-scottish-nationalism.html

    You obviously aren’t thick Fred, so you are simply being disingenous.

    This conversation is closed.

  40. catherine podojil

    18 May, 2013 - 10:08 pm

    Funny Cameron bit, visiting Obama, on Jon Stewart’s Daily show earlier this week. Check it out. He really is stone-faced (literally, not drunkenly, though who knows?)

  41. “Black shirts, Fred? Really, you are losing it, aren’t you.”

    No, that’s what they call people who bully and intimidate political opponents. It’s wrong, as who does it and to who they are doing it to it is wrong.

    When it is fanatical Nationalists doing it it is even more worrying. The votes of rational people have to be split between a number of parties don’t see why the votes of fanatics shouldn’t be too.

    Did you have a reliable source for your quote by the way?

  42. Fred….

    “fanatical Nationalists”. err no. Just naughty public schoolboys from Harrow and Marlboro school in England. Oh and trustees of Edinburgh University students association on £18K a year. Mike Shaw and Mr Crema.

  43. “the world’s most carefully manicured Wikipedia entry.”

    The Labour Friends of Israel page is a strong contender. Try adding anything that isn’t a paraphrase of their own website and watch it revert within minutes.

  44. Donald MacDonald

    18 May, 2013 - 11:12 pm

    http://www.richardcorbett.org.uk/theres-something-about-ukip.pdf

    There you go. Of course, this won’t be forensic enough for you. Or something. Because your mind is made up. Like most lefties of the Old School, you are enraged by the left’s drift to the right, and the fact you can do nothing about it.

    And you hate being outflanked on the left. And you have been.

    Bye, Fred.

  45. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    18 May, 2013 - 11:24 pm

    Clark @ 3:09- Yes Clark. Iamnotatechie should be my nym. I will attempt to follow your instruction.

  46. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    18 May, 2013 - 11:29 pm

    Clark; I’ve been meaning to ask; Does your avatar have some significance for you? It looks like a coronal mass ejection, or Cameron’s profile. BUMP!

  47. “There you go. Of course, this won’t be forensic enough for you. Or something. Because your mind is made up.”

    Actually it isn’t. I asked because on Wikiquotes it is disputed. AFAICS there is no reliable evidence either way, he might have said it, he might not, who knows.

    But please feel free to carry on believing it if it makes you happy.

  48. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
    18 May, 2013 – 7:49 pm

    “This thread has gone off-topic and degenerated into a slanging match centering on Nigel Farage/UKIP’s meeting in Scotland.”

    I agree but up to now, and including now, you have made no contribution to the topic in question and Craig himself went off topic when answering Fred:

    Craig
    18 May, 2013 – 5:21 pm

    Fred,

    “Unfortunately you have overlooked the point – as have the media – that the group demonstrating are quite specifically opposed to the SNP. They view it as too conservative. You, like the media, substantially exaggerate the level of violence involved.”

    I don’t think there is anything wrong with introducing an off topic subject provided it is not designed to disrupt the discussion of the original topic.

    Anyway, what have you got to say about Alisher Usmanov?

  49. It’s slightly off topic, but Farrage got what he wanted, and will be pleased at the success of his little publicity stunt. I’m fairly sure all right wing parties are run by the security services anyway, so I doubt Farrage was in any real danger. Anyway, it looked like a bit of old fashioned street abuse, which, frankly, we need more of. Violence, no, abuse, yes. These people are, in the main, scoundrels, and neoliberal hard-hats, and if they don’t like it, they can fuck off to a quieter gig in the city, the knobbers.

    And breathe. Farrage really is an oily squid though isn’t he? If he had joined Nu Lab, of course, the media classes would just adore him.

  50. technicolour

    19 May, 2013 - 2:12 am

    Yeah, let’s not all look at UKIP’s actual policies. Bootcamps, anyone? Removal of workers’ protections? Massive extra spending on defence against whom because why not?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NCV2vmQT_4

  51. Here is http://www.forbes.com/profile/alisher-usmanov/

    Notice the hash (#) bollocks?

    The ‘politics of envy’ needs a power league. Drug-like orgasmic pleasures with keeping score and advancing position. Of course a measure of success and status.

    At what cost to mother Earth? The Casino capitalism model has infinite resources compounded by today’s desire to play ‘rob Peter to pay Paul’ or steal from the public to pay the plush.

    This neo-liberal extravaganza keeps us arguing, quarreling and wrangling. Habba has attended…

    While we cross swords the private finance initiative (PFI) steals our assets and services.

    For your pleasure NIGEL ‘FROMAGE’ MELTS UNDER PRESSURE: UKIP? UFLOP.

    http://scriptonitedaily.wordpress.com/?blogsub=confirming#subscribe-blog

    Thanks Kerry-Anne we love you.

  52. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 5:45 am

    I like the Nigel Fromage handle Mark!

    I also like Kerry Anne Mendoza. Here she is on the Limp Ics. She and 180 others were kettled and arrested for protesting on the opening day.
    Double Standards
    Olympic security contractor G4s tips off Wikileaks about extraordinary rendition. We ask US presidential contender Mitt Romney; why he is becoming a Nazi. We also talk to Kerry Anne Mendoza, spokesperson from “Our Olympics” a campaign group dedicated to highlighting the hijack of London 2012 by capitalist corporate interest, about why London 2012 Olympics is not our Olympics. These and much more are all reviewed in this edition of Double Standards with Afshin Rattansi.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpkJjSwK7wY 12 mins in.

  53. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 6:11 am

    Nigel Farage’s activity on Company Check. Details are on
    http://companycheck.co.uk/director/904320201/MR-NIGEL-PAUL-FARAGE

    UNITED KINGDOM INDEPENDENCE PARTY LIMITED Active 07/11/2011 –
    THORN IN THE SIDE LIMITED Active 27/05/2011 –
    FARAGE LIMITED Operating under Voluntary Arrangement 26/10/2004 06/02/2011
    FARAGE LIMITED Operating under Voluntary Arrangement 06/02/2003 06/02/2006
    HAWKHURST CONSULTANTS LIMITED Dissolved 21/05/1997 –
    FARAGE FUTURES LIMITED Dissolved 25/02/1994 –

    His father is Guy Justus Oscar Farage. He was a stockbroker and is now retired according to an Independent article.

    http://companycheck.co.uk/director/914247547/MR-GUY-JUSTUS-OSCAR-FARAGE#anchor-current-OC335400

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-politicians-govern-through-fear-6297949.html

  54. “Thanks Kerry-Anne we love you.”

    I think all the interview shows is the disgusting pro Nationalist bias on the part of the BBC.

    No, a bunch of thugs in Edinburgh do not decide what the people of Scotland want.

    “There’s a problem for you though, isn’t there, because the Scottish electorate clearly doesn’t see you as being part of the political debate in Scotland. In effect, what the overwhelming message from yesterday’s event in Edinburgh seemed to be was that your political philosophy is an alien political philosophy here in Scotland.”

    So the Nationalist thugs and state media are dictating what the people of Scotland want and what the people of Scotland can have when it comes to political parties.

    All the events showed was that the Nationalists are scared of losing votes to the SNP.

  55. That should of course be UKIP.

    Still half asleep.

  56. Ben, it might be the sun, but it could also be a fat dude in a nightclub.
    I couldn’t decide whether the last one was a slug or a sniper’s rifle.

  57. Fascinating info April Showers @6:11 am. Have you managed to uncover any Jewry in the bloodlines?

  58. “RACIST SCUM!”, they chant, with not a black or brown face amongst them.

    Priceless.

  59. What a miserable little pamphlet being distributed by Richard Corbett, MEP, preying on all the usual overbown fears about racism and homophobia in the UKIP ranks. I note that in Section One, subheaded “They are openly waythist”, it is alleged that Peter Watson, UKIP Chairman North Dorset, once sent an email in which he referred to “Jewish merchant bankers”. Shock, horror! I’m sure he’d fit right in around here then!

  60. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 9:56 am

    I think we can see where Giles is coming from and that he has a fixation with the J word. I was looking up Farage’s directorships and gave the details.

    I expect Giles knows that there is a UKIP Friends of Israel and another for Palestine.

    We will see if Farage turns out to be a nine day wonder. Vine on Marr has has Redwood, Hunt and Mandelson on speaking about EU membership from their known positions.

    The latter’s current register of interests.
    http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/lord-mandelson/500

    Willbury Ltd to whom he remits his speaking fees belongs to him and his partner I believe. Note the assets value.

    http://companycheck.co.uk/company/07265891/WILLBURY-LIMITED#people-tab

    ‘The combined cash at bank value for all of Peter’s current businesses is £443,623, with a combined assets value of £1,373,554 and liabilities of £230,887.’

    ‘The combined cash at bank value for all of Reinaldo’s current businesses is £194,778, with a combined assets value of £669,951 and liabilities of £87,263.’

  61. Sofia Zabolotna-Habbercake

    19 May, 2013 - 10:10 am

    Fred ( Yesterday 8 11pm)

    Thanks. Yes,I get it now, “Nationalist Black Shirts” for sure! Known to be willing and able to pour sugary drinks and use their vocal chords. I am truly shocked. Now what sane person would not fear for the future of an independent Scotland?

    These dangerous thugs must be tackled before the inevitable “Night of the Long Drinks”.

    Have you considered teaming up with Dad. That would be awesome.

  62. Sofia Zabolotna-Habbercake

    19 May, 2013 - 10:14 am

    Dad!

    Spot the missing “?”.

  63. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 10:17 am

    A poem for Whit Sunday when it WAS a holiday and before Heath replaced it with the ‘Spring Bank Holiday’ in 1971. We had decimalisation that year too and two years later he entered us into the EEC/Common Market.

    Whitsun

    This is not what I meant:
    Stucco arches, the banked rocks sunning in rows,
    Bald eyes or petrified eggs,
    Grownups coffined in stockings and jackets,
    Lard-pale, sipping the thin
    Air like a medicine.

    The stopped horse on his chromium pole
    Stares through us; his hooves chew the breeze.
    Your shirt of crisp linen
    Bloats like a spinnaker. Hat brims
    Deflect the watery dazzle; the people idle
    As if in hospital.

    I can smell the salt, all right.
    At our feet, the weed-moustachioed sea
    Exhibits its glaucous silks,
    Bowing and truckling like an old-school oriental.
    You’re no happier than I about it.
    A policeman points out a vacant cliff

    Green as a pool table, where cabbage butterflies
    Peel off to sea as gulls do,
    And we picnic in the death-stench of a hawthorn.
    The waves pulse like hearts.
    Beached under the spumy blooms, we lie
    Sea-sick and fever-dry.

    Sylvia Plath

  64. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 10:31 am

    Sophia Did you watch much of the Eurovision Song Contest last night? You seem to have changed your name to a more European sounding hybrid. :)

    I thought Romania’s entry was the funniest and the Swedish presenter displayed some dry self-deprecating humour. The worst were the presenters giving the results from each country. They think they have become stars and milk it for all that they can.

    Whatever does it all cost considering the state of the economies in Europe?

  65. “What a miserable little pamphlet being distributed by Richard Corbett, MEP, preying on all the usual overbown fears about racism and homophobia in the UKIP ranks. I note that in Section One, subheaded “They are openly waythist”, it is alleged that Peter Watson, UKIP Chairman North Dorset, once sent an email in which he referred to “Jewish merchant bankers”. Shock, horror! I’m sure he’d fit right in around here then!”

    The policies of the UKIP, like the policies of the SNP, are not in themselves racist.

    The policies of the UKIP, like the policies of the SNP, will tend to attract followers who are racist. Any Nationalist party will attract racist followers, that is the nature of Nationalism.

    I don’t see that much difference between the SNP and UKIP, I think they would appeal to the same voters. Which is, of course, why the heavy mob were sent in.

  66. ” I expect Giles knows that there is a UKIP Friends of Israel and another for Palestine.”

    Yes, Giles does know as it was he who pointed to the latter after a claim was made that the UKIP is a Zionist organization for having a facebook page and a small office in South Molton for ‘Friends of Israel’! (ps, Why does Her Maj always talk to others indirectly in this majesterial manner of hers?)

    Where are you going with these cut-and-pastes from Company Check, Mary? If we want to check the finances of Mandelsohn or Reinaldo then we can do so ourselves, just as we can use Wikipedia and the BBC without your assistance.

  67. “Whatever does it all cost considering the state of the economies in Europe?”

    A lot less than membership of the EU!

  68. Sofia Zabolotna-Habbercake

    19 May, 2013 - 10:50 am

    No, April, I don’t even know who won! But I love the idea of Europeans, singing, instead of shooting, at each other. Did they say which sides had their music provided by the NATO / Arab Despot Studio?*

    Regarding my change of name. Who wouldn’t be enchanted to know her dad had been killed by a drunken moose, even it it did later transpire that the whole thing had been faked by the FBD? With my name-change I honour him.

    *(Clue: The ones who made the biggest bangs.)

  69. ‘Everyone’ now knows that the Zionist businessman Andrew Feldman, who ‘raised funds’ for David Cameron’s campaign for the Tory leadership, is the first Tory chairman to have his own office in 10 Downing Street.

    Can someone tell me when that fact first became public?

  70. “English Knight”, you are well-versed in the language of the English antisemite!

    I have been doing some research and the timing of all your contributions falls within the hour-long lunch break alloted to low-level clerks at the Likud Party HQ, Metzudat Ze’ev, 38 King George’s St., Tel Aviv, Israel !

    Coincidence? I don’t think so !!!

  71. “Can someone tell me when that fact first became public?”

    When Sam complained of lack of wardrobe space?

  72. What we need now is a long and monotonous diatribe from “Fedup” about ziofuckwitistan and aforementioned said ziofuckwits as alluded to by previously described and aforementioned ziofuckwits.

  73. Thanks for that link to the BBC’s 2002 FCO link, someone, it completely exonerates Craig and makes the FCO look like torturers who knew what was going on.

    So did J.Straw and D. Milliband.

    Whilst the media is talking of ‘swivel eyed loons’ at each other throat, a claim that most definitely reflects the state of Norfolk County Council, Ed Milliped is talking of how he will make us all see, meaning he will let us all view how many taxes are lost to this country by multinationals who want to sell here, but don’t want to pay taxes at all, off course this is knob rotting poppycock, he will be told what to do.

    Alisher Usmanov is now established in this country and is hob nobbing with the noblesse oblique, improving his standing with the establishment.

    I would not shed a tear if he is the next target of this Russian mafia war that is raging in the gated ghettos of Sussex and London.

  74. @Giles – so you don’t know? I suspect the office fact has only been surfaced recently. He’ll stay, I reckon. Those who are trying to damage the poor soul may not. No need for silly jokes.

  75. A different subject, yet tangentially related, is the scandal of Hague slapping whatsits on the inquest into the death of Alexander Litvinenko. This means that the only two questions of real import cannot even be asked. Then the judge in charge of the inquest, accepting that these public immunity orders (aka censorship aka state interference in a murder investigation and the judicial process) will scupper his inquiry, render it meaningless, suggested instead a public inquiry where some of the evidence would be held in private (so, a not-so-public inquiry, then).

    So, it seems that it’s absolutely fine allegedly for a foreign state to murder someone in broad daylight on the streets of London in full view of the world using radiological weapons and to get away with it.

    Russia and Britain both will have very dirty secrets they don’t want aired in any way and that is likely to be why Hague has slapped these orders on the inquiry. A deal will have been struck behind closed doors. Litvinenko was a “traitor” to Russia and a disposable asset to Britain. And the death of that dubious character, Berezovsky, shortly before the inquest was due to begin? Suicide, or murder? He knew an awaful lot abotu the SIS (and FSB) and was looking like he needed money. Therefore, was he seen as a potential liability?

    Men-in-bags, men hung from shower rails, men given Hiroshima in their tea. It really is stranger than fiction.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/17/litvinenko-inquest-crucial-evidence-secret

  76. “Men-in-bags, men hung from shower rails, men given Hiroshima in their tea. It really is stranger than fiction.”

    One writer tried to make sense of it all using fiction, but I think it all became so difficult that he eventually gave up.

    http://shatasm.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1

  77. As regards UKIP and the nature of the beast a friend posted this this morning.

    “UKIP’s leader of Lincs Council Chris Pain, the party’s East Midlands regional chairman, wrote: ‘Have you noticed that if you rearrange the letters in ‘illegal immigrants’, and add just a few more letters, it spells, ‘Go home you free-loading, benefit-grabbing, resource-sucking, baby-making, non-English-speaking ********* and take those other hairy-faced, sandalwearing, bomb-making, camel-riding, goat-********, raghead ******** with you.’

    “… Peter Entwistle, party chairman in Bury, Greater Manchester, labelled President Barack Obama a Muslim, writing: ‘I bet he’s a closet ‘Imam’ as well! If I ever see him on a Greyhound bus wearing a rucksack, I’m getting off!!’

    “The party’s deputy chairman in Scotland, Misty Thackeray, ‘liked’ a Facebook group claiming ‘paedophilia is part of Islamic tradition’. He also praised far-right Dutch politician Geert Wilders, a self-confessed “hater of Islam”. Recommending Mr Wilders’ new book, he said: ‘Geert is great …(peace be upon him.. lol) ..!’

    “Meanwhile Tiggs Keywood-Wainwright, a UKIP councillor in Boston, Lincs, complained about mosques being built in “quintessentially English” Cambridge. ‘Is nowhere sacred for the Brits in Britain any more?’ she wrote. ‘Bottom line is we have too many muslims in this country!'”

  78. What we need now is a long and monotonous diatribe from “Fedup” about ziofuckwitistan and aforementioned said ziofuckwits as alluded to by previously described and aforementioned ziofuckwits.

    A ziofuckwit brain fart; transliterated through bothering millions of electrons in a bollocksy attempt at baiting.

    I don’t do ziofuckwits!

  79. All in it together – The Truth about PFI

    http://scriptonitedaily.wordpress.com/2013/05/14/all-in-it-together-how-government-is-handing-ownership-of-our-schools-and-hospitals-to-banks/

    The cost of Britain’s controversial private finance initiative will continue to soar for another five years and end up costing taxpayers more than £300bn, according to a Guardian analysis of contracts that were sanctioned by the Treasury.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/jul/05/pfi-cost-300bn

  80. Another internationally friendly UK contingent of councillors, this time in Lincoln. How wise the Scottish protesters were at seeing through the thin veneer of Nigel Farage’s human face of racism!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/18/ukip-councillors-anti-racism-pledge-lincoln-_n_3297890.html

  81. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 2:15 pm

    Suhayl I agree with you and raised the matter twice yesterday on the Plus Ca Change thread.

    A reply came:

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    18 May, 2013 – 4:27 pm

    “Only you can tell the truth to his widow and the British public on whose soil this murder was committed.”

    Do you think the British public gives a monkey’s who killed him?

    ~~~~
    He or she should know that ‘where the law ends, tyranny begins’, to paraphrase John Locke.

    It is a serious matter. There has been no progress either into the inquest for Berezovsky, one time employer of Litvinenko, which opened at the end of March.

  82. Men-in-bags, men hung from shower rails, men given Hiroshima in their tea. It really is stranger than fiction.

    Well said Suhayl, there is a history of men in strange places, we must not forget the forlorn banker hanging under a London Bridge.

    O/T The swivel eyed loons are out in force in Norfolk as well. After loosing the overall majority on NCC and having their leader Bill Borrett rejected by all other parties, in the absence of any other candidate.

    Now into this limbo steps NCC’s legal department, trying to sort out the committee representation for the forthcoming period of council as follow below.

    I note the standards and audit committees have more conservatives than other groups combined.

    http://www.norfolk.gov.uk/view/council240513item5pdf

    a fail safe, should they be unable to reach decisions.

    Cllr. Borrett, ex leader of NCC, who has still not fallen on his sword, is deeply implicated in the decision to grant Cory Wherelabrator a contract, without any outlying planning permission. The inquiry has just finished with all the usual summing up by the various parties and a decision is expected in September…

    The contract of this proposal, which has never been discussed or debated by full council, has been heavily deducted and despite Norfolk now having a more balanced political make up, is being kept secret from all and sundry, whether they are lawyers, elected councillors or anybody else in a responsible position, an imposed development with a secret contract, all allowed by our sloganising hopefuls, the direct result of two speed dating parties, resulting in a millionaires cabinet of newbies and some swivel eyed loon supporters, according to Lordy tawdry Feldman.

    Norfolk taxpayer paying for the Kings Lynn inquiry, some of the proposers legal costs, for an expensive ‘not value for money’ PFI, so that this expensive monstrosity from the 1970’s can be forced upon over 65.000 who said NO to it, in short we pay for everything.

    All this listening to the public does not really happen, its all imposition, past our real needs, by some vested interest groups who have long made these decisions to enforce EFW plants, over capacity or not.

    What Norfolk and our country needs are plants which can deal with household and municipal waste, with hardly any emissions, some products consumers want, which closes the waste cycle by recycling our waste. We also need tragets and gaols for industry and get away from the notion that business waste is outside this agreement. If we want to create jobs in this country, we need to choose recycling, because its a win win policy creating five times more jobs than incineration.

    Further, we have to establish landfill mining and turn the waste into gas, plasmaroc, compost, metals with one of these.
    http://www.advancedplasmapower.com/solutions/process-overview/
    Now, what a novel idea I hear you say, a plant with application in China, never mind Belgium, Europes best recycler, is not much promoted or supported by our local authorities? How come that these so called business types don’t see the advantages?

    Could it be that they have their noses too far up the brown backsides of vested company interests? or their pockets full of brown envelopes.

    Unless we start withholding our taxes from these people nothing will change.

  83. You can tell the Establishment is rattled by the desperate attempts to smear the UKIP. Tory HQ even appointed a team of junior researches to trawl through the entire internet history of every Ukipper in order to find dirt. And, as would be the case with any large grouping of people, they found it.

    The dirt nearly always centres on racism and homophobia, because to the media and political classes, these are the two cardinal sins. And many of the commenters on this blog are right-on with them. It fits with the preferred narrative, that a party opposed to mass-immigration is a racist party, that those opposed to gay marriage (or equal marriage, as it now called) are homophobes.

    I wouldn’t condone any of the remarks quoted by John Goss above, except perhaps the last, but it seems just to click ‘like’ on a Facebook page can condemn you, and to cobble together a few remarks made by a few individuals among many thousands of people can condemn an entire party.

  84. You don’t disappoint, Fedup!

  85. Off Topic:

    http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/after-dark-out-of-bounds/

    The exchange between Tony Benn and the CIA (fucktard) is brilliant.

  86. Giles at 2.28. “I wouldn’t condone any of the remarks quoted by John Goss above, except perhaps the last, but it seems just to click ‘like’ on a Facebook page can condemn you, and to cobble together a few remarks made by a few individuals among many thousands of people can condemn an entire party.”

    Try this if you can’t take my word for it.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/19/ukip-councillors-racist-comments_n_3301138.html

  87. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 3:58 pm

    Police spies stole identities of dead children
    Exclusive: Undercover officers created aliases based on details found in birth and death records, Guardian investigation reveals
    Paul Lewis and Rob Evans
    The Guardian, Sunday 3 February 2013
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/03/police-spies-identities-dead-children?INTCMP=SRCH

    and

    Police spies’ use of dead children’s identities was common, MPs told
    Mick Creedon, who is leading inquiry into 40-year undercover operation, admits police have yet to inform any parents of affected children
    Paul Lewis and Rob Evans
    The Guardian Friday 17 May 2013
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/17/police-spies-dead-children-identities-common

  88. technicolour

    19 May, 2013 - 4:02 pm

    Giles, what would it take for you to *not* vote for a party which has representatives – paid representatives – who are openly hate-filled until monitored, which is in coalition with murderous extremists, and which has been rejected by its own founder for its far-right bigotry, extremism and scare-mongering? The fact that its leader boasts of acquiring at least £2 million of taxpayers’ money in expenses? Expenses which he more recently failed to publish?

  89. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 4:05 pm

    More deceit.

    Former Google UK exec alleges company diddled its taxes

    A former employee of Google UK has alleged the company carried out a massive and “immoral” tax avoidance scheme, cheating us British taxpayers out of hundreds of millions of pounds over the last decade.

    Along with Amazon, Google has recently come under fire for not paying enough tax. Now former exec Barney Jones says Google’s sales staff secured advertising deals almost exclusively in London, rather than in Dublin, where they claimed to be based, The Sunday Times reports (subscription required).

    This contradicts Google VP Matt Brittin’s claim to the Commons Public Accounts Committee that while “a lot of the aspects of selling” ads happened in the London office, the Dublin one was actually closing the deals. (Ireland has a much lower rate of corporation tax — 12.5 per cent, compared to the UK’s 23 per cent — so Google bases its European HQ there.)

    Brittin claimed only 1 per cent of Google’s UK customers were directly sold to by UK staff, but then admitted this accounts for 60 to 70 per cent of its UK revenue.

    http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/former-google-uk-exec-alleges-company-diddled-its-taxes-50011258/

    Eric Schmidt defends Google’s tax affairs following Commons criticism
    Google executive chairman says company accounts comply with international law

    Barry Neild
    guardian.co.uk, Saturday 18 May 2013

    Eric Schmidt said that he understood why Google’s apparent sidestepping on UK taxation had generated controversy.

    Google executive chairman Eric Schmidt has defended his company’s financial affairs after a Commons committee branded the internet giant devious and unethical for sheltering its multibillion-pound profits from UK taxes.

    Writing in the Observer, Schmidt said his company’s accounts were complicated but complied with international taxation treaties that allowed it to pay most of its tax in the United States.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/may/18/eric-schmidt-google-tax?INTCMP=SRCH

  90. technicolour

    19 May, 2013 - 4:08 pm

    (fortunately off to do stuff but could i just ask what on earth has the (old and awful) police spies story got to do with google’s taxes? it’s so random it’s making my eyes cross!)

  91. John Goss,

    I don’t deny it, but he says his Facebook account was hacked. It would be very odd indeed for anyone involved in politics to write something like that, but perhaps he is incredibly stupid. Maybe he was set up, maybe he really is a nasty racist. Who knows? You are very good at playing ‘cui bono?’ Why don’t you apply it here? With Julian Assange and rape allegations it’s all an Establishment put-up job (and I would agree). You see many things as a conspiracy, up to and including 9/11, but you are fully behind the Establishment when it comes to issues such as this. Are you blind to the machinations of the state when they are geared towards things you support, in this case mass-immigration and multiculturalism?

    As for the woman’s remarks, is it to be deemed criminal to hold the opinion that there are too many Muslims in this country, or that Cambridge is losing its English character? If not then why shouldn’t she be entitled to hold that view? Surely we should put it to the test with free and fair debate, and then at the ballot box.

    But what interests me here, John, is that you hold up what she said as a sort of condemnation in itself. You haven’t actually said what you think about why she is wrong, or argued an alternative. You just quote her and that’s it, as if she should be silenced and removed from public life altogether for her opinion. And you do this because you know it has become an established norm to silence any such opinion as “racist”.

  92. April Showers

    19 May, 2013 - 4:21 pm

    Technicolour
    Variety is the spice of life. I just happened to be looking at the Guardian on line and thought the pieces were of general interest. Anyway they make a change from UKIP, Monsieur Fromage and racism.

  93. Well for a start, Technicolour, I have never said I have voted for the UKIP, but I must add that your comment, “openly hate-filled until monitored”, is utterly reprehensible and typical of you, who would appoint yourself among the arbiters of what does and does not constitute “hate-filled”, no doubt with the aim of silencing that which you consider so.

    As for expenses, as you know vast sums of EU (ie, our) money are ploughed into all sorts of pro-EU propaganda schemes, and therefore it is quite right that a democratically elected party should get what it can and turn that against the tide of taxpayer-funded EU propaganda. That Farage admitted to what he got was to highlight the profligate nature of the beast, but of course this was misrepresented as him admitting to lining his own pockets by an ever-dutiful MSM.

  94. Giles,

    Fair comment. I am very wary of racist groups and groups flying Britishness and the union flag and feel I have been fighting this creeping racism all my life (National Front, BNP). I see UKIP as the natural home of these racist groups, and although UKIP says it will not have members of the BNP in its party, ex-BNP members are already there. It’s a difficult one. I see Farage as having some charisma in the mould of Enoch Powell and Adolph Hitler. So that’s where I stand and why I am vigilant.

  95. TFS,

    Tony Benn is indeed brilliant, but will he receive any condemnation here for his various tax avoidance schemes? :-/

  96. Ok, John. We’ll leave it there.

  97. Off-topic, but likely of interest to Craig and others here. The Electoral Commission is inviting responses to its evidence paper on electoral fraud in the UK. Submissions by 9th August 2013.

    So, now might be a good time to raise concerns you have about postal ballots!

  98. “Fair comment. I am very wary of racist groups and groups flying Britishness and the union flag and feel I have been fighting this creeping racism all my life (National Front, BNP). I see UKIP as the natural home of these racist groups, and although UKIP says it will not have members of the BNP in its party, ex-BNP members are already there. It’s a difficult one. I see Farage as having some charisma in the mould of Enoch Powell and Adolph Hitler. So that’s where I stand and why I am vigilant.”

    You do well to be vigilant but be vigilant also about groups flying Scottishness and the Scots flag. There really isn’t any difference you know.

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