Time to Abolish the BBC

by craig on May 13, 2013 10:09 am in Uncategorized

It must be a fundamental human right not to have to pay James Purnell. The obnoxious Blair clone is on £420,000 a year at the BBC. I found this article absolutely horrifying; the BBC has appointed as director of news and current affairs James Harding, a man who wrote a defence of the 2008/9 massacre of 1400 Palestinians in Gaza, which used illegal and horrifying white phosphorous bombs as well as depleted uranium, and killed hundreds of small children. That attack was so shocking it reintroduced a significant proportion of the British student population to the idea of radical politics.

That the BBC should appoint the openly politically partisan to top positions – and that they should be openly neo-con – is not shocking because we have come to accept the depredations of the political class as normal.

The purpose of the BBC ended when Grag Dyke and Andrew Gilligan were forced out and the BBC issued a formal apology – in effect to Tony Blair – an apology for telling the truth about Iraqi WMD and the “dodgy dossier” which Blair, Campbell and Scarlett conducted. The BBC has seldom made the mistake of telling the truth since.

I increasingly find myself advocating political opinions I would have found anathema five years ago. I am forced to the opinion that now it is time to abolish the licence fee and end all public funding to the BBC. We should not be blinded by nostalgia; the BBC has no claim to impartiality or “public service ethic.” Nor, for the most part, to quality. Talent shows, reality TV and endless cooking and property auction programmes are not something everybody should be obliged to pay for, on penalty of not owning a television.

Doubtless bits of the BBC would survive in the private sector. World Service broadcasting might be taken over by DFID – another “fake independent agency” can be interposed if desired. But even if some good were lost, the overall harm done by this inflated structure and its all-pervading propaganda is such that it would be worth the sacrifice.

The Leveson Inquiry was a brilliant sleight of hand which managed to get liberals arguing for more government control of the media, while the real problem – the need for a radical breaking up of media ownership – was ignored. If we fracture the Murdoch empire and break up the BBC, with radically tough regulations restricting the percentage of the market any owner can have, we have a real chance to have a diverse media and broader political debate.

All institutions tend to corruption the longer they have existed. Over time those who control the structures of power develop ways to make sure large institutions are twisted to their personal interests. There is not much the rest of us can in truth do about it, except to give the kaleidoscope a good hard shake every now and then.

It is time to shake the kaleidoscope and abolish the BBC.


Just received from BBC Press Office:

Hi Craig

We wanted to draw your attention to our release from 14 Feb this year:


James Purnell’s salary as Director, Strategy and Digital, will be a total of £295,000 not £420,000.

Best wishes
BBC Press Office

So that’s OK then.

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  1. The Zionist-neocon-Elite controlled BBC is indeed one of their biggest propaganda machines. The only two DEC Humanitarian Appeals the BBC has refused to broadcast ( by Mark Thompson – an ardent Zionist ) have been appeals for the victims of Zionist terrorism. Gaza and Lebanon. As the Yanks say … Go figure!

    Andrew Marr’s repulsive broadcast literally urinating over the dead bodies of Iraqi victims of Zionist violence following the end of the Iraq invasion is another overt example .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_JC371jxPI

    But let’s not forget the BBC was created as a propaganda machine from the outset. A notable early use was against the General Strike in 1926

    I’m in two mind’s about the abolition of the BBC. Yes it’s a Zio propaganda machine, but it does, normally through gritted teeth, actually sometimes publish the other side of the story even if it’s tucked in some tiny fonted corner of it’s website or at 4am.

    What happens if we get rid of the BBC? Do the general populace who absorb the MSM as being the truth simply move towards the even more biased privately owned media outlets.

    They control all of the MSM, so getting rid of one will only mean the others will absorb the hypnotised.

  2. killingauntiefilms

    13 May, 2013 - 10:36 am

  3. Tempting in principle. But the alternative is probably even worse.

    A few hours watching the programmes on the other Freeview channels and Sky News show that it’s unlikely that a breakup of the BBC would lead to better or fairer programming.

    And the need to keep advertisers sweet would surely lead to an even more neo-con agenda. At least there is [B]some[/B] brake on the output of the BBC.

  4. Controlling the press and controlling the money supply have been the main tools ( along with oligarchal religion ) to control the people by “The Powers that Be” for centuries. The press is a hydra, and the BBC is one it’s slightly less corrupt heads.

  5. I very much agree Craig. Like the Poll tax people simply should just stop paying. The BBC already pimps itself to adverts on its website. So many times I’ve clicked a video link only to have some annoying advert come on and then when the video clip is set to begin words to the effect of “We are sorry, you do not have the bandwidth to view this video”. Plenty of bandwidth for the advert tho.
    Navigating the BBC website takes a bit of skill too to dodge all those annoying drop down adverts that obscure the BBC latest propaganda article that I’m trying to identify. Flog the few good bits off.

    One more time: People of conscience, please stop paying the license.

  6. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 10:57 am

    Totally agree Craig. The propaganda is being carried with licence fee payers’ money too let us not forget as Lwtc247 points out above.

    Here is Adam Levick of CIF Watch speaking to Israeli National Radio.


    He is the same Adam Levick who took the trouble to make the nasty little You Tube of Amena Saleem (on Craig’s link) using some strange wide angle camera setting which makes her look like a relative of ET. Not so subtle smearing Mr.Levick and pointless. Ten of her words are worth thousands of yours.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSxbBcSkv7c George Galloway speaking in the background and in Arabic too I think.

    She has brought new life to the PSC and has obviously rattled the Israel lobby’s cage.

    Levick http://cifwatch.com/about/

  7. I totally gave up on TV about a decade ago – am now hearing 75 -so obviously have NOT been continuing to buy any licence and the way they are responding is causing harassment – they’ve been here out of the blue to inspect – absolutely no prob fair do’s – but that was a year or so ago and now they are back at it like crazy over and over and their liasion systems are crap too. Crap outfit.

  8. I don’t think I have paid a TV licence in years…I just send back the computer generated demand every year with No Resident at this address…they never check..and as far at those notorious detector vans..what a joke..they only ever made 2 of them and they stopped working years ago…the entire licence fee is a fucking joke along with the BBC as a whole…I never pay in principle and if they want to find me, good luck.

  9. You are playing into the hands of the far worse stalking horse, the Murdoch empire Craig. The problem is, and has been, the chairman & DG appointments as well as MI5 on the trust & Bilderberger recently running the Barclays Libor fraud Marcus Agius on the executive board.
    Al Milne & Greg Dyke did well in top job!
    Like so many we need a purge of the gangster place men at the BBC starting obviously with Savile cover up boy Chris Patten.

  10. Agree with Tony G – just because the BBC has been subverted and cowed by the last 3 decades of rightwingery does not mean that it cannot fulfill the functions that we need. A progressive govenment would/should reestablish the corporation with an update to its original remit and a charter of editorial independence for its news reporting division. And, of course, reform of media ownership in the private sector will be essential, with incentives for papers/radio stations that are not owned by large corporate concerns.

  11. So we scrap the BBC and replace it with what? Another commercial station like ITV?

    If you don’t like their news don’t watch it but as many people complain about the BBC’s anti-Israeli bias.

  12. The BBC have all but completely ignored the death of Stephanie Bottrill, the first person known to have killed themselves because of the bedroom tax/penalty.

  13. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 11:51 am

    Greg Dyke and Andrew Gilligan were on this programme very recently somewhat unbelievably in view of what we think of the BBC. Perhaps one of its purpose is to absorb dissent. Hoon was his usual self and he and Tom Kelly tried to hold the B.Liar/A Campbell line but failed. A. Campbell was invited to participate but declined. Wonder why!

    The Hutton Inquiry
    Duration: 45 minutes
    First broadcast:Sunday 05 May 2013On 29 May 2003, the Today programme broadcast a report criticising the government’s use of intelligence in the lead up to war with Iraq.

    At the heart of the report was the allegation that Number 10 had “sexed up” an intelligence dossier to make a more convincing case for war. More specifically, that the government probably knew that one of the key claims in the dossier was wrong before they put it in: the claim that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction that could be “ready within 45 minutes of an order to use them”.

    The government, and specifically Director of Communications, Alastair Campbell, were furious. The row that followed was one of the bitterest in BBC history, and was fuelled in part by the death of the story’s source, government scientist, David Kelly. The Hutton Inquiry was set up to establish what went wrong and exposed the inner workings of the BBC, secret services, civil service and government machinery. Its findings, when published in January 2004, caused reverberations throughout the British establishment.

    Sue MacGregor reunites some of the people who were caught up in that row: Andrew Gilligan, the Today programme reporter whose broadcast was the cause of the argument; Geoff Hoon, Defence Secretary, who was accused of leaking David Kelly’s name as the source of the story; Tom Kelly, who as Tony Blair’s spokesman was at the heart of the storm and Greg Dyke, who resigned as Director General when Hutton’s conclusions were so critical of the BBC.

    Producer: Deborah Dudgeon and Kate Taylor
    Series Producer: David Prest
    A Whistledown production for BBC Radio 4


  14. Defund them – cancel your license:


    Those few hours of programming you can;t miss (and they are very few) can be seen legitimately on iPlayer.

  15. Christ, no. See US TV for why. Like everything else in this tragic country, the upper echelons are populated by gravy-drooling fat cats, sapping resources from and dictating bias to the poor bloody infantry, but the BBC even now has much more independence than the only alternative, which is mindless commercial pap. Also, I’d guarantee if the BBC went, the standards of the rest would slip still further, and the effect would be total audience anaesthesia.

    Comrades, it is time to burn down the business schools, hang anyone earning over £200K from a lamppost and reduce the management quota nationwide to 5% of its present level, re-employing the victims, selected by their inability to speak plain English, on Fenland farms picking strawberries and sorting eggs. Managementspeak isn’t all that different from Polish, when you come right down to it. Not many Englishmen understand either.

  16. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 12:11 pm

    Tony Gosling. Not forgetting Mark Thompson who knew. Miles Goslett was on the case from the beginning.


    A link to an audio where Thompson is asked directly.

    Excruciating to listen to Thompson who seems to find difficulty in stringing two words together. It is not a stammer which I would be sympathetic about.

    btw Thompson and his wife Jane Blumberg (she comes from a strongly Zionist US upbringing) visited Israel to meet Sharon. They were also friends of a rich lawyer Scot Young who introduced them to the rich Israeli Zabludowicz and others.

  17. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 12:13 pm

    PS Scot Young is not a lawyer but a ‘property tycoon’ according to that piece.

  18. If the BBCs decommonisioning would leave a hole, at least there would be a vacancy no longer occupied (luxuriously) by the current lot of professionaly unconscionable schmoozers, who plug corporate scripts in the name of honesty.

    Only pointless low-brow controversies and circular arguments are permitted in order to foster the appearance of fallible authenticity.

  19. The BBC is a propagandistic organisation which serves the criminal lunatics who have abandoned democracy and are now blowing up our welfare state. If you don’t work yourself to the bone for peanuts you will just be left to starve to death with the police making sure you don’t steal any food to keep yourself alive. You will be crushed at work and starved if you are out of work. The BBC will not bother about your plight. They will switch to reporting more on the ‘royal’ family. The screams will be drowned out by the dancing parades of the rich and privileged. They love the people to suffer. Goebbels would have been proud of the BBC. It surely is formed out of his ideas to brainwash people. As for the argument that we will be left with Sky and ITV that is like saying we shouldn’t jail a mass murderer because there are other mass murderers out there. We want to shut the lot of them down as they are all involved in a psychological war against the people.

  20. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 12:16 pm

    More on the friend of the Thompsons, the tycoon Scot Young.

    Major bank dragged into Scot Young divorce battle http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/major-bank-dragged-into-scot-young-divorce-battle-8589793.html

    The bank concerned is HBOS.

  21. there’s a fight going on in every area of society, within every institution from our schools to the BBC. on the one side are people who generally agree with the (generally) humanitarian ethos of this board, and on the other side are people who want nothing but power and profit. since the humanitarians in society clearly outnumber the latter, one wonders why the latter are so clearly in danger of winning.

    i don’t think it’s helpful to call for the abolition of the BBC, and not only because no-one on this board has anything like the power to do it. i think it’s a reductive, if not nihilistic game which i agree plays into the hands of murdoch and a wide variety of extremists.

  22. We want to shut the lot of them down as they are all involved in a psychological war against the people.

    With the general support of the people. Just sayin’. Brave would be he who shut down TV’s sports coverage and reality-fleeing soaps

  23. Please see update to post above :-)

  24. With the BBC being dependent on funding provided by parliament its no surprise that it needs to bow to the will of the government from time to time. That’s just the nature of the beast, sad though it is.

    I think that scrapping it is going too far. Regardless of the bias shown on some, and the lack of reporting on other, issues the nature of the BBC means that it is open to scrutiny and can be called to account for this. The same isn’t true of any of the other sources of news.

    The licence fee question needs to be settled once and for all and put out of touch of this, and any future, government. With this maybe we’d see a braver BBC.

  25. ^ He still hangs.

  26. Amusing that they correct you on his salary, but let ‘obnoxious Blair clone’ stand.

    The problem with the BBC is not its partiality, but its partiality alongside its reputation for neutrality and objectivity. The rest of the MSM carries implicit health warnings, but the BEEB is always objective, always the voice of informed and respectable opinion. If it’s not to be abolished then the only way I can think of saving it is by having its board of governors dismissed and replaced by a jury of one hundred part-time, unpaid volunteers, selected at random from the population at large. Same sort of thing applies to the government, as I’ve said before.

  27. “James Purnell’s salary as Director, Strategy and Digital, will be a total of £295,000 not £420,000.”

    I bet you when pension and other benefits are taken into account the total will be nearer £420000 than £295000

  28. I must say, the lack of imagination of a post-disbanded BBC being anything other than some crap US channel or a ‘and finally… ITV’ is disappointing. Or is it simply entrenched realism talking?

  29. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 1:52 pm

    Purnell So clean.

    cf as an MP 2002-10
    £40k pa from Open Left, donations from Policy Network, trips to Chile, Israel, Israel, Israel, Spain, India, writing for Serco, etc etc.

    More here http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/James_Purnell

  30. Or is it simply entrenched realism talking?

    Follow the money. If it gets viewers, it makes money. Hence, lowest-common denominator programming will always win on a commercial basis.

  31. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 2:06 pm

    BBC appoints Danny Cohen as new director of television

    Current BBC1 controller, whose credits include Call the Midwife, will oversee the corporation’s four main channels

    ‘One of BBC director general Tony Hall’s key lieutenants, Cohen will oversee all four of the BBC’s main channels and thousands of hours of programming a year. He will receive a total pay package of £327,800.

    In an email announcing his appointment to staff on Wednesday morning, Hall said Cohen, a former controller of BBC3 and E4, had been the “driving force” behind an extremely successful period in BBC1’s history and praised his “impressive mix of creativity and vision”.’


    BBC Press Office If you are still reading this, could we be told the total value of Mr Purnell’s ‘package’.

  32. Max Keiser mentioned that his only instruction when he had his BBC show was he could NEVER mention israel.

  33. Vronsky, 1:18 pm:

    “The problem with the BBC is not its partiality, but its partiality alongside its reputation for neutrality and objectivity.”

    Exactly. And the Queen’s English (on Radio 4 especially) evokes the old myth of the “reasonableness” of the English elite; there’s something very comforting about those plummy accents oozing out of your radio, reassuring you that someone educated at Oxford or Cambridge knows what is going on in the world, and that HM Government is doing something about it, repeating the same message every hour, on the hour,
    pip, pip, pip, pip, pip, piiiip.

  34. Purnell’s salary might only be £295,000 but Harding’s is £340,000. I notice that the BBC Press Office only corrected your salary error, not the more important fact that the BBC is predominantly Zionist.

    In fairness there are a few drama programmes which are worth watching. But the news is so important, and to have such a heavy bias, also well presented, is criminal.

    The BBC, and other media news outlets have radicalised me in a way they could not have done before the false flag (BBC complicit in that) of 9/11 which, as the late Aaron Russo so eloquently explained, Muslim groups did not have the capability to pull off 9/11 and where have been the subsequent 9/11 type sabotages. “Come on” he said. I say the same to Craig Murray who is the last sensible person who does not think 9/11 was an inside job.


    There are other sources, like Wesley Clark, but because Aaron Russo was also Jewish, he had no reason to question the official version. It also demonstrates that I am not anti-Jewish – just anti-Zionist.

  35. While looking without success for those additions to Purnell’s miserly £295K which would make his underprivileged existence less grey and hopeless, I noticed that Danny Cohen’s subordinate had jumped ship: Richard Klein of BBC4 has taken the ITV shilling, citing BBC budget cuts. Media Monkey in the Guardian has seen what purports to be the job ad for Klein’s successor –

    Monkey has been sent what seems to be a draft of the job ad for BBC4 controller, although admittedly it’s such a departure from the corporation’s usual style that the possibility that it’s a phished fake (the Syrian Electronic Army will stop at nothing) can’t be ruled out. After the standard boilerplate, it does little to woo applicants: “(1) There is no money: we won’t deny Broadcast’s figure of a £26m annual budget, or £500,000 a week. (2) Things are so bad that that the last boss fled to ITV, although he’s a cerebral chap who doesn’t know Ant from Dec or Holly from Amanda (3) Those lovely, funny biopic dramas we used to have? Forget about doing them. (4) And British comedy (5) And fly-on-the-wall documentary series (6) Even history must usually have an arty angle, as we’re now the culture ‘n’ old clips channel (7) So The Review Show has been dumped on you mid-evening – enjoy! (8) No, you can’t have same-day soap repeats to boost ratings, like BBC3 (9) No, the news can’t move from going daftly head to head with Jon Snow (10) Remember, though, that you will be running the channel Chris Patten watches – you must keep him happy, even though you’ve only got tuppence to spend on programmes. Good luck!”

    A late relative of mine did a lot of work for the BBC prewar and afterwards – he reckoned the institution was dominated by, er, natural Israel sympathisers* then, as it is now. No-one should be surprised at its reluctance to criticise Israel; many of its staff have the right of return. It’s institutional. A tradition, even.

    * he called them something else, but that was then…

  36. Keith Crosby

    13 May, 2013 - 3:04 pm

    You’re a bit late Craig,Thatchler assassinated TradBBC in the late 80s and replaced it with COMbbc a commercial simlacrum, with consequences which by now must seem all too obvious.

  37. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 3:07 pm

    The Medialens editors on corporate journalism, including the BBC’s. Watch the video of the metronomes achieving synchronicity. Compelling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqFc4wriBvE

    ‘You Say What You Like, Because They Like What You Say’

  38. This is worth a read

    “a documentary due to be broadcast on Thursday 25th April was pulled suddenly from the schedules. “Jerusalem: An Archaeological Mystery Story” argued that there was no evidence for the claim of mass Jewish flight and exile from Jerusalem in 70AD”


  39. PS – the 70AD expulsion was from Jerusalem, NOT Palestine. The Askenazi European Jews weren’t historical exhiles from the middle east as the Zionists claim (the basis for their right of return). They are (clearly) white Europeans. And the only historical evidence is for an exclusion from that one city. The Palestinians will be the descendents of those living in Judea at the time because usual historical demography is that cultures move but populations largely stay put.

  40. Purnell….PPE, Oxford (though not Eton). Appears to still be working for The Boston Consulting Group, for which he has co-authored many documents, presumably not for free –


    and was receiving £40K p.a from Demos, for which he may still be working, in 2010.


    There was no open recruitment process to fill the BBC position. Old Boy’s Network rules applied.

  41. Break it up. Do creative things with the good bits. Flog off the bad bits to the corporate whore media. Makes no difference.

  42. doug scorgie

    13 May, 2013 - 4:14 pm

    Very interesting questioning of Hall and Patten

    Some good questions from Angie Bray:

    Q3 “Lord Hall, were you surprised to be offered the Director-General’s job, given that you had not actually applied for it?”

    Q5 “You did apply for the job yourself in 1999 and on that occasion failed to get it. What do you think has changed that made you not suitable for the job then but very suitable-in fact, so suitable that there were no other people considered-this time round?”

    Q10 “Nevertheless, a pattern does seem to have been set, because we then had the Director-General doing exactly the same with an internal appointment and inviting James Purnell to take on the job as the Director of Strategy and Digital, again without any open competition. Aren’t we seeing a pattern emerging here that is not necessarily very acceptable?”

    Q11”It does sound a bit cosy, people you already knew. Is there seriously nobody else that might have been able to do the job that James Purnell was just handed?”

    Culture, Media and Sport Committee
    THE Priorities FOR the new Director-General of the BBC
    Thursday 25 April 2013


  43. “I must say, the lack of imagination of a post-disbanded BBC being anything other than some crap US channel or a ‘and finally… ITV’ is disappointing. Or is it simply entrenched realism talking?”

    If anything it would be worse. Abolish the licence fee and how is the BBC going to be funded? There’s only a finite amount of advertising money floating around which the BBC will have to compete for against the other commercial stations. Expect loads more cheap programmes, more repeats and even more dumbing down than we’ve seen to date.

  44. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 4:21 pm

    Not off topic. This concerns the BBC Chairman, board member of Bridgepoint Capital who own Care UK who in turn own Harmoni. The latter was started up by two Harrow GPs to provide an out of hours service and they sold out to Care UK.

    This is how the ‘private sector’ works. Chaotic, short staffed and insufficiently funded and managed.


    Don’t get ill out of hours or better still don’t get ill at all.

    The Cornwall out of hours contract referred to in the article is run by Serco. I think I recently posted the details of Mrs Hodge’s committee’s inquisition of their top people about their many shortcomings and the fraud where records were being altered.

    Milburn, Purnell’s erstwhile Cabinet colleague is also on the Bridgepoint board along with the ex M&S chief Stuart Rose and others. You can see below that they are consistently acquisitive.



    Patten ought to get out of Bridgepoint before the **** literally hits the fan. The BBC ‘health’ reporters have been demonising the NHS throughout the progress of the Health and Social Care Act and since it came into place on April Fool’s Day. Nearly every day there is some sort of scare story.

  45. Surely this is all academic. I suspect there’s going to be a sharp fall off of people paying the licence fee due to the rapidly increasing use of internet streaming to watch programmes. Look around at how many people are glued to their smart phones. Conventional TV is in its twilight years along with any luck the corporate news media.

  46. Q21 Chair: You will be aware of the controversy over the very high pay levels that are set for senior management at the BBC. James Purnell is coming in on a salary of something like £300,000. Anne Bulford is coming in pretty close to £400,000 a year. One of the arguments that the BBC has always made is that you have to pay these rates because these are the market rates. How do you know what the market rates are, if you don’t have a competition and find out who else might be available?


  47. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 4:29 pm

    Komodo I put up Purnell’s BBC register of interests earlier.


  48. James Purnell was the man who brought in ATOS to do medical assessment on the sick and disabled.

  49. Medialens commented on Twitter

    ‘Horrific bombs in Turkey. Yet again the BBC leads with evidence-free accusations blaming Syrian govt

  50. Dreolin, much more likely to be an Israeli false-flag to try and get Turkey involved in the conflict against Syria.

  51. Looking at the comments there seems to be a distinct absence of contribution from the resident Israeli trolls defending their masters. Watch ’em come out from under the bridge now.

  52. The World Service used to broadcast real news unavailable in daytime Radio 4 bulletins/interviews. Now it seems to have been dumbed down into a mixture of football, art fogeyism, musical babble, and irrelevant tweets. I have better things if I am awake at night to think about than this detritus of a worn-out glacier. The last remaining relevance of the BBC has apparently disappeared so I think I have to agree with Craig. Abolish it. I have no TV so I also never pay the licence fee.

  53. John Goss

    Happy Baccy can’t get to his shed because of the hail.

  54. Yet again the BBC leads with evidence-free accusations blaming Syrian govt

    “Later on Saturday another Deputy Prime Minister, Besir Atalay, said initial investigations showed the attackers were linked to Syrian intelligence, NTV reported.”

    So they’re quoting the Deputy PM, or one of Turkey’s Deputy PMs, how does that equate with them even believing that it’s true?

  55. “Later on Saturday another Deputy Prime Minister, Besir Atalay, said initial investigations showed the attackers were linked to Syrian intelligence, NTV reported.”

    I’d call that an evidence-free accusation. Did the BBC even suggest that there might be another explanation? Or say that the above “remained to be confirmed”?

  56. yes please, abolish it into many small pieces, and make the remainder modern, in parts public if must be, put children in charge of it and watch it take off.

    We can but speculate as to who bombed Turkey, but it had the desired effect, although Erdogan is reticent, he knows that Turkey is open and could easily be subjected to a false flag incident.

    Some Turkish jets gone missing. All sorts of provocations.
    This from the Turkish media assuming double bluff.

  57. “So that’s OK then.” – he he he.

    Lots of people are saying that Amazon led the people to kill off literature. So far, I haven’t heard many people saying the BBC led the people to kill off TV but I think it’s time to start saying it or stop doing what we’re led to do by these organisations. I stopped owning a TV for a while once. It took the licence people over a year to grasp the fact. It is so unheard of for people to stop having a TV, they don’t have a system for stopping licences for people who aren’t dead.

  58. “I’d call that an evidence-free accusation. ”

    Possibly; but by Besir Atalay. He might have intelligence he can’t or won’t share or he could be talking rubbish. Either way reporting his words does not constitute support but is important as it tells us what the Turkish government is thinking, whether it be right or wrong.

  59. @ April Showers, 13 May, 2013 – 3:07 pm
    Sheeple sync much quicker.

  60. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 May, 2013 - 6:17 pm

    @ John Goss :

    “Looking at the comments there seems to be a distinct absence of contribution from the resident Israeli trolls defending their masters.”

    If that’s by any chance a reference to (inter alia) me : you’re right, in on-topic mode I’m concentrating on – and finding interesting – the comments relevant to Craig’s lead-in blog, ie on the BBC.

    BTW, and at the risk of getting personal, if the picture (is it called an avatar?) is really of you, then I must say you’re quite a handsome chap. I’d somehow imagined you to look like the late Charles Hawtrey of “Carry On” fame.


    La vita è bella, life is good! (and £295.000 too much)

  61. John Goss at 2.44pm : I say the same to Craig Murray who is the last sensible person who does not think 9/11 was an inside job.

    Craig Murray at 1009am : I increasingly find myself advocating political opinions I would have found anathema five years ago.

    Slowly, slowly catchee monkey :)

  62. You may wish to write to Harding reminding him of the ideals of the BBC – broadcasting reliable information, not propaganda, as the basis of its reputation.

    Part of the BBC’s problem may also be that when, thanks to government spending cuts, the BBC axed its Arabic service, many of its best journalists went to Al-Jazeerah. So it mey be well to think of ways of getting tham back.

  63. @Kempe

    What do you mean by “possibly”? Where is the evidence if it’s only a “possibly” evidence-free accusation? There was no evidence provided.

    “Either way reporting his words does not constitute support but is important as it tells us what the Turkish government is thinking”

    Not necessarily. All it tells us is what they are saying publicly. They’ll be asking for more NATO assistance next.

    And you didn’t answer the rest of what I said:

    Did the BBC even suggest that there might be another explanation? Or say that the above “remained to be confirmed”?

    Of course they didn’t.

  64. @kempe

    “Expect loads more cheap programmes, more repeats and even more dumbing down than we’ve seen to date.”

    The dumbness that shamelessly presents itself as dumbness is depressing, but unthreatening. It’s the dumbness that presents itself as intelligent commentary that’s a worry. We’d all be much safer if all they did was property porn, davidattenstuff, slebs and rock ‘music’. With the BBC, innocent crap is too much to hope for.

  65. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 May, 2013 - 6:54 pm

    @ KingofWelshNoir :

    “Slowly, slowly catchee monkey”

    A bit of wishful thinking there, I’d say.

    While Craig occasionally goes over the top in his blogs (deliberately, to get the troops fired up, so to speak), he doesn’t belong to the Nutters Brigade.

  66. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 7:03 pm

    Obomber was using the figures of 80,000 Syrians ‘slaughtered’ and 5m refugees at his press conference with Agent Cameron carried in full by the BBC. Agent Cameron called the BBC’s James Landale to put a question. All scripted naturally. Regime change was the plan of action and Assad must/will go was the cold message from the dead eyed President. Obama squirmed at a question about the Benghazi killings of the US ambassador and others. I thought that milord did protest too much. He went on too long.

    I saw this poem on DV. Apologies to all decent Americans.

    I’m an American
    by Paul Lojeski / May 12th, 2013

    I’m an American.
    I can do whatever
    I want, when I want,
    to whomever I want.
    It’s God’s plan
    for America
    and for me.
    It’s in the Constitution,
    too. That’s how
    I know I’m superior
    to others, any
    others, anywhere.
    And if I have to kill,
    it’s not a crime
    because I kill only
    to defend my rights
    as an American.
    My killing, then,
    is a good killing,
    an honorable killing,
    a moral killing.
    Therefore, nothing
    I do can ever be
    called wrong.
    I’m an American.
    I can do whatever
    I want, when I want,
    to whomever I want.
    Simple as that.


  67. In an era of austerity the saving of the licence fee which essentially is a tax on each household would be wildly popular.

  68. And just imagine, we have Chilcot to look forward to and wonder at the integrity of the judiciary and Privy Counsellors, too. Oh, what joy.

  69. “A bit of wishful thinking there, I’d say.”

    The wishful thinking is wishing that to be wishful thinking. I’ll admit that you might be safe for as long as you need to be, though. What a pity for our species.

    @april (the cruellest month)

    I once wrote a little computer program which could turn prose into poetry, or poetry into prose. It did it by removing line ends, or randomly inserting them. What you have there is prose with inserted line ends. Not bad prose, though. Here it is minus the affectation of short lines. I think it’s better.

    I’m an American. I can do whatever I want, when I want, to whomever I want. It’s God’s plan for America and for me. It’s in the Constitution, too. That’s how I know I’m superior to others, any others, anywhere. And if I have to kill, it’s not a crime because I kill only to defend my rights as an American. My killing, then, is a good killing, an honorable killing, a moral killing. Therefore, nothing I do can ever be called wrong. I’m an American. I can do whatever I want, when I want, to whomever I want. Simple as that.

  70. Man 1: I say, I say, I say, my dog’s got no nose.
    Man 2: No nose? How does he smell?
    Man 1: Terrible!
    Man 2: Ha ha ha!
    Habbabkuk: Excuse me, I don’t understand. You said originally he had no nose, surely that is an observation relating to the dog’s anatomy, and yet then you said he smelled terrible in the sense that the dog’s body odour was unpleasant. You seem to be confusing two entirely different meanings of the word ‘smell’. How sloppy of you, you are so lucky to have me here correcting your errors of speech, we speak the Queen’s English here don’t you know? What? What? Why are you all looking at me like that?
    Man 1 & 2 : Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
    Habbabkuk: La Vita È Bella! La Vita È Bella! La Vita È Bella….
    Man 1, 2 & everyone else on the Blog: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  71. when will bbc let the dumb viewers find out all of saviles crimes, even child murder. also why the police helped cover up his crimes. If you want to succeed in UK abduct children and hand them over to the elites for abuse or murder, then u will be protected by the BBC and judges and police.

  72. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 May, 2013 - 7:55 pm

    The Obsessive Poster, at 13h52, comments on James Purnell and supplies a couple of links.

    The O.P. starts off with :

    “Purnell So clean.

    Yes, I agree that Purnell’s ‘BBC declaration of personal interests form’ does seem very clean, nothing untoward there at all.

    I hope that the O.P. isn’t suggesting that Purnell lied on the form?


    Then the O.P. goes on to tell us about Purnell’s declared, remunerated activities while an MP from 2002, as follows :

    “cf as an MP 2002-10
    £40k pa from Open Left, donations from Policy Network, trips to Chile, Israel, Israel, Israel, Spain, India, writing for Serco, etc etc.”.

    Perhaps relying on most people not bothering to read through the link she provides, the Obsessive Poster omits to point out the following:

    1/. The job as Director of “Open Left” (£40k per annum) is from 2009 and not, as people might erroneously assume from the Obsessive Poster’s comment, from 2002;

    2/. The £1.685,82 Purnell earned on a number of occasions was for, each time, 64 hours of work. This translate into £26,34 per hour. Somewhat less than your friendly cash-in-hand plumber, painter or even gardener would charge you in the UK, unless I’m mistaken;

    3/. Purnell is recorded as having written once (repeat, once) for the villainous SERCO (£650). It appears that he has written more often for the Times and the Guardian and earned more by so doing;

    4/. Purnell has indeed visited democratic Chile, Portugal, Spain, India and Japan since 2002, for a variety of reasons;

    5/. His visits to ‘Israel’ took place between 2002 and 2004 and there do not seem to have been any visits since then. Furthermore – and again, something which the Obsessive Poster doesn’t see fit to share with us – all but one of those visits were “to Israel and the Palestinian Authority to meet members of the Israeli government,Palestinianb Authority and others”.


    All of which goes to show that the Obsessive Poster’s comments need to be looked at rather closely; although she doesn’t lie, she does tend to be rather selective in her presentation of the facts.

    But we knew that anyway, didn’t we.

  73. “There was no evidence provided. ”

    I did say they might have evidence they didn’t want to reveal, it does happen. Fact is at this stage we just don’t know and it’s not the job of reporters to speculate where there is no solid information. Yes I know the tabloid press does it all the time but it doesn’t help, does it?

  74. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 May, 2013 - 8:43 pm

    @ KingofWelshNoir :

    I didn’t know you’re a dog lover! That’s nice. I am too.

    But to business : I interpreted your “softly, softly..” bit as meaning that Craig will come round to believing that 9/11 was a put-up job.

    You are wrong, for the reason already given (Craig is controversial, as most of you Eminences try to be – but he is not a Nutter, which most of you are).

  75. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 May, 2013 - 8:54 pm

    @ Doug Scorgie (16h14) :

    You are truly your mother’s Son, aren’t you. Same selective, and incomplete, quoting, designed to give a misleading impression. Cf.:

    “Very interesting questioning of Hall and Patten

    Some good questions from Angie Bray:”

    Yes indeed, and if people can “be arsed” (your expression, Dougie) to read the transcript you kindly linked to, they will see that Hall’s replies were rather good too.

  76. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 8:57 pm

    The BBC is indeed a special place.

    James Purnell ‏@jimpurnell 14 Feb
    Thanks for the good wishes about the BBC. I feel very lucky to be going back. It’s a special and important place.

    Paul Franklin ‏@PaulJFranklin 14 Feb
    @jimpurnell congrats on the new job, James – definitely life changing!

    Simon McCoy Simon McCoy ‏@simonmccoy 14 Feb
    @jimpurnell Look forward to welcoming you! Good Luck!

    McCoy is a rather oleaginous presenter on BBC 24. Franklin is a film maker.

    If Purnell was an adviser on the recent political three parter The Politician’s Husband as I have read, was he paid extra?

    Quentin Letts wrote this in the Mail.

    ‘At the BBC, former Labour Cabinet minister James Purnell has been tossed a £295,000 job as ‘director, strategy and digital’. The BBC does not comprehend the whiffiness of an ex Broadcasting Minister being given such a well-paid job at the very organisation he once supervised.

    Nor does its new director-general, Lord Hall, accept that the BBC’s already patchy reputation for political objectivity is worsened by having a former Culture Secretary in its executive ranks. Cabinet experience was once reserved for non-executive BBC chairmen. Now it is in the very cockpit of day-to-day management.’

    How the Left’s grip on Britain is tightening, with ever more control over key public bodies since David Cameron came to power

  77. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 9:00 pm

    Sophie. Sorry to bother you but come quickly. Your Dad is back in the shed belting out the non-sequiturs. He is calling people strange names.

  78. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 May, 2013 - 9:00 pm

    @ the Obsessive Poster :

    It occurred to me that you’re rather obsessed about people visiting Israel.

    Just in the interests of transparency : have you ever visited Cuba, North Korea or China, or did you ever visit the former Soviet Union or any of the countries of the former Soviet bloc (pre-1990)?

  79. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 May, 2013 - 9:05 pm

    Ah, so the Obsessive Poster now quotes, with seeming approval, Quentin Letts writing in the Daily Mail (20h57).

    Quentin Letts and April Showers – strange bedfellows indeed!

  80. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 May, 2013 - 9:13 pm

    More strange bedfellows :

    Doug Scorgie (16h14) and Conservative MP Angie Bray (read her bio on Wikipedia).

    What on earth is going on here?

  81. Craig has touched a sensitive spot for me and, I suspect, many others. There are things the BBC does well. Not just (in the past) Andrew Gilligan but many programmes that make us better informed and allow for attention undivided by advertisements [except, I admit, for the BBC’s own plugs]. I would be loth to lose “In Our Time”, “More or Less” or “Private Passions” – all radio rather than TV.

    There’s one ad hominem counter-argument: which government is likely to get rid of the BBC Licence Fee? That may be just a variant of the morally suspect argument: “My enemy’s enemy is my friend”. However, it leads to my skepticism about who is going to introduce Craig’s legislation on media control that really has teeth.

    So, my vote goes for the government that is prepared to legislate for media diversity. Only then let’s look at the role of the BBC and the license fee. Meanwhile, it remains true that a BBC that employs James Parnell is an organization that has lost its moral/political compass.

  82. I haven’t had a TV since the days of the miners strike. I refuse to pay a license fee to subsidise government propoganda.

  83. I’m reminded of the story of the old lady who rang the hotel reception and complained she could see a naked man in the building opposite her room. The manager went and looked out of the window but couldn’t see anything. “You have to stand on the chair” said the old lady.

    I don’t have a TV, don’t pay a license fee. Others can do as they wish, wouldn’t want to go banning things to impose my values on others.

    The BBC is pro establishment, always has been, everyone with an ounce of sense knows that, every other media outlet is biased as well. People have the right to choose whichever bias they want.

  84. ” That attack was so shocking it reintroduced a significant proportion of the British student population to the idea of radical politics.”

    Well I might have been one of them; after Cast Lead I went from mildly pro-Israeli to staunchly against almost overnight, but the BBC seems to attract criticism from both sides accusing it of supporting the other side, so I suppose it has it about right. And none of you ever mentions Jeremy Bowen, who is most obviously pro-Palestinian.

  85. Sophie Habbercake

    13 May, 2013 - 10:38 pm


    You seem to be very excited on this thread. Gary says if you were a proper entertainer you would introduce a bit of variety into your act.

    You know, after two weeks on the run I had been thinking, despite all that mad stuff you write, you must be quite bright to have evaded your persuers all this time.

    But now I’m beginning to wonder did they catch you after all? Are your continued postings just part of some obscure therapy / re-education program? Will they slowly start to make sense as you return to earth or are you forever stuck, obsessively spewing them out?

    I’m still waiting for someone to explain to us how, after reading one of you posts, they were able to understand an issue just a little bit better.

    You know all these patronising,and increasingly batty lectures are a pretty good indicator of which posts deserve the most attention. Maybe you have some value after all. Thanks.

  86. Just to expand, you people want the BBC to be 100% critical of Israel, just as you want it to absolutely conform with your views on everything else, else it be deemed “Zionist”, “fascist”, etc. But the BBC has a duty to report different viewpoints, which I think it does quite well with regard to Israel/Palestine, though manifestly not so well some other more pressing concerns of the British public.

  87. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    13 May, 2013 - 11:00 pm

    “Comrades, it is time to burn down the business schools….”

    Don’t forget Law Schools, Komo, cuz the first thing we do……….

  88. English Knight

    13 May, 2013 - 11:26 pm

    Yes its time again to send birthday greetings and felicitations to sewage satanyahu, all his fans may click link below:-


  89. @ Giles who says “Just to expand, you people want the BBC to be 100% critical of Israel, just as you want it to absolutely conform with your views on everything else, else it be deemed “Zionist”, “fascist”, etc. But the BBC has a duty to report different viewpoints, which I think it does quite well with regard to Israel/Palestine, though manifestly not so well some other more pressing concerns of the British public.”

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but I just want the BBC to show some impartiality in regards to the Zionist entity. Just broadcasting a few different viewpoints everyone and again does not EQUAL impartiality.

    Some may remember Jeremy Bowen getting his fingers wrapped for telling the truth about Israel following the ear bashing the Zionists gave the BBC.

    The excellent Katya Adler ( who is Jewish ) tried to be impartial and even reported on the fact that Israeli schools show maps with the whole of Palestine as Israel. Katya Adler has since been ‘moved on’ from Palestine reporting duties

    Not only has the BBC now employed the Zionist tool, James Purnell as head of strategy and Digital, it’s also appointed the staunch Zionist Ceri Thomas has been appointed to BBC head of programming.

    In his last full year as editor of Today, Thomas presided over a program that interviewed a senior Israeli politician or ambassador on average once every two months. Interviewees included Danny Ayalon, then Israel’s deputy foreign minister, and Tzipi Livni, an architect of the 2008-‘09 Gaza massacre.

    During the same period, not a single Palestinian leader or spokesperson was accorded a similar honor. There was no serious recognition, under Thomas’ reign at Today, of the Palestinian viewpoint

    And then of course there’s Zionist James Harding’s appointment as the BBC’s new director of news and current affairs. In 2011, Harding spoke at a media event organized by The Jewish Chronicle, telling his audience: “I am pro-Israel. I believe in the State of Israel. I would have had a real problem if I had been coming to a paper [The Times] with a history of being anti-Israel. And, of course, Rupert Murdoch is pro-Israel.”

    It’s getting worse. The BBC don’t even try and claim impartiality any more.

    Chris Patten, currently chairman of the BBC Trust and Chancellor of the University of Oxford was asked by Stephen Sackur on Hardtalk last week if he was comfortable with appointment of the pro-Zionist state man James Harding.

    Not surprisingly Patten just brushed it off as being no problem.

  90. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 May, 2013 - 11:29 pm

    @ Sophie :

    “Maybe you have some value after all.”


    But of course I do, Sophie. After all, if I’m your father then I created you, didn’t I.

    Without me, there would be no you and this blog would not have the pleasure of reading you from time to time.

  91. karel (a conspiracy a day keeps idiocy away

    13 May, 2013 - 11:45 pm


    I entirely agree with kempe that “many people complain about the BBC’s anti-Israeli bias” Although I cannot afford watching television, I usually send a letter or two every week to the BBc comptroler complaining about the antisemitic accent of some of their commentaries and occasionally reprimand them for neglecting to broadcast great thoughts voiced in the glorious past by our statesmen. The lonely voice of Churchill, brutally silenced on innumerable occasions for displaying the great courage to state that “I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place,” –Speech to the Peel Commission (1937). For those unfamiliar with the issue, may I point out that palestinians are the dogs Churchill talked about.

  92. Sophie Habbercake

    13 May, 2013 - 11:46 pm


    Just use your brain for a moment. Mum was far too smart for someone like you EVER to be my father.

  93. and researching the life and political thought of 19th-century South American revolutionary Simón Bolívar .

  94. Another thing that highly annoys me about the BBC ( Apart from Nicholas Witchell constantly masturbating himself silly over the Royals, even though said Royals hate him ) is it’s nauseous sycophancy with the USA.

    Someone gets a speeding ticket in America and the BBC is full on breaking news!!, wall to wall 24-7 coverage with the obligatory multi-personal press conferences featuring 20 minute slots from everyone from the State Governor right down to a local hobo who witnessed the offence.

  95. As a ps. Radio 3 is crap as well. An expensive fig-leaf for this odious operation. R3 lost its way years ago. Lousy programming, lousy sound – tiny audiences too for whom they have little but contempt.

    Proms are fun but hardly a duty of the licence-payer to the tune (sic) of millions.

    All a jolly for BBC apparatchiks.

  96. “Another thing that highly annoys me about the BBC ( Apart from Nicholas Witchell constantly masturbating himself silly over the Royals, even though said Royals hate him ) is it’s nauseous sycophancy with the USA.”

    So don’t watch it.

    Was a time the BBC was all we had, then they played “God Save the Queen” and you watched a white dot disappear into the middle of the screen.

    Now there are more TV and radio stations than you can shake a stick at and the internet as well I don’t see what the problem is. Press TV is good though they too seem obsessed with the USA, then there is RT but they seem to have a lot of content America related. Al Jazeera is a little biased in my opinion and seem to focus on American matters. There are many more out there though, the list of stations is a long one, you can take your pick of the TV stations talking about America. Hell these days you can even set up your own internet TV, there are loads of people sitting there talking about America from their own bedrooms and broadcasting to the world.

  97. Thanks for this blog post Craig Murray.

    The BBC is unashamedly pro-Israeli, revoltingly so. Manufactured complaints of anti-Israel bias are from insincere, astro-turf fantasy merchants, peddlars of wind and piss. Purnell and the like are at root treasonous agents of a foreign power, despoling and undermining this country and its people wherever and whenever they possibly can, with no fear of anything arresting their depradations, they’re entirely up-front about it, know they’re protected all the way to the 1st class carriages of the gravy train.

    Claims also that the BBC is ‘too left wing’ from the usual mouthy suspects on the right, do not stand the least scrutiny as the BBC has backed to the hilt the right-wing economic agenda pursued by Thatcher and Blair and their emulators, helped plunge a murderous weapon of unspeakable pain and cruelty, killing lives and killing hope, into the hearts of the poorest, weakest and most vulnerable in this country. Helping out our home-grown resident psychopaths in office is not nearly enough for the initiates and priesthood of the cult of the BBC, they’ve consistently backed some of the world’s most infamous despots too.

    The BBC does not receive ‘complaints’ from the right and from pro-Israel Quislings, it self-censors, anticipating their bizarre demands, it receives its orders and counts as its only friends those same bankers and genocidaires, hasbarists and sayanim who make these token substance-free complaints. Of course it ought to be unmasking and ostracising them, calling for their arrest and speedy trial on charges from blackmail to murder. If it suspended all further planned programming and simply reported 24/7 for the next ten years, the facts and the truth – on the rightward lurch in this country they have helped facilitate and the criminally insane nature of the Israeli, US and UK regimes – it could not in that time redress the imbalance in its output, or atone for the damage they have done. We must add to that damage the gulf between present circumstances and the potential outcome – what could have been, the positive results – if it had simply done a half decent job of things instead of being fully complicit in such epic crimes as we have all witnessed. We’ve now passed from despair and shock to a virtuous, righteous clamour to retaliate and avenge.

    The BBC is guilty as charged in the court of public opinion. Sentence is flogging.

    A referendum on its abolition, implicitly scrapping the absurd licence-fee, would not only demand its demise but would swell the polls, re-invigorating political participation.

    In the meantime, mass licence-fee refusal, bringing down (in)Justice system is indicated.

    We revolt tonight!

  98. The revolt is postoned till tomorrow night, President Fred has just had his hair done.

  99. Fred: “Al Jazeera is a little biased in my opinion and seem to focus on American matters.”

    Al Jazeera IS the BBC, near as dammit. It is staffed by ex BBC world service journalists:

    “The channel began broadcasting in late 1996, with many staff joining from the BBC World Service’s Saudi-co-owned Arabic language TV station, which had shut down in 1 April 1996 after two years of operation because of censorship demands by the Saudi Arabian government.”

    It launched with David Frost interviewing Tony Blair!!!

    Unlike Press TV, I don’t think we’ll wake up to find Al Jazeera banned from the British airwaves any time soon

  100. Iain and all

    Look, the BBC doesn’t produce the occasional informative laudable programming because it is the BBC. I claimed gravitas, I think it can be said of the modern era that the the BBC produces the occasional informative laudable programming in spite of it coming through the BBC.

    It is just silly to believe that the staunchly pro-Zionist BBC were to be deservedly abandoned then that would be the end of intellectually worthy programming (or even some entertainment) as we know it.

    There are many ways in which such programming can come about.

    Channel 4 has a history of decent programming peppered amongst the Brookside dross. PBS and Frontline in the USSA often achieve this too.

    I think the common thread here is that when INDEPENDENT producers are involved then the ‘worthiness’ of programming shoots up. Same is so of the BBC, it is usually the independently minded employees (the small number thereof) that give output with the sheen of quality.

    So some on, stop all this sentimental garbage. ITV also made the odd but of decent programming too.

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