The Tough Life of a Dissident

by craig on May 15, 2013 4:53 pm in Uncategorized

Ray McGovern always advises me not to accentuate the negatives in becoming a whistleblower. I always talk of the inevitable unemployment – no employer, not even those you might think of as moral, will ever employ a whistleblower as the quality an employer values in an employee above all others is loyalty to their employer. I also talk of the persecution and harassment. Those are very real indeed, and I think of Bradley Manning constantly.

Ray’s excellent point is that we need more whistleblowers not less, so I should accentuate the positive and talk of how great I feel, how I can sleep at night, how I am recognized all round the world, etc. – all of which is true.

On top of which, I am at the Cannes Film Festival with my incredibly beautiful and talented Nadira.

It’s been a bit hectic getting here straight after Istanbul, so will post on the Mavi Marmara tomorrow.

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  1. It’s all very well for Ray McGovern wanting more whistleblowers, and you constantly thinking of poor Bradley Manning but the sad truth is that potential ones are increasingly thinking of what happened to Dr. David Kelly, former Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh, GCHQ/MI6 agent Gareth Williams, his associate Gudrun Loftus, astrophysicist Steve Rawlings, etc.

    It’s become a deadly business.

  2. I’m with you. Unfortunately most companies and orgs are cliques. And senior management is a superclique. “Are you with us or against us?” style.
    Anyway relax and enjoy Cannes.

  3. What more do you want, Green Shield Stamps?

  4. i think this problem can be resolved if people make a distinction in their minds between having a (part-time) day job and pursuing their real work or career, which does not necessarily involve getting paid. in a diseased society it is not likely that a person will get paid for doing the things that really need to be done. so, a way out is to wash dishes, do secretarial work, do private tuition, or whatever on a straight quid pro quo basis, free of office politics and moral dilemmas, to get just enough to get by on, and then have both energy and time left for more demanding work, done for its own sake, not for money.

  5. Altmann –

    Yes, people confuse their “career” with their personal identity.

  6. I certainly didn’t confuse my career with my personal identity.

    I forced my resignation as a college professor, so I could freely research and write about what really bothered me about covert affairs, but that didn’t stop the spooks from trying to kill me on several occasions. They only failed because of trying to be too careful in their efforts, and my having a cardio-vascular system of a youth.

    Then DCI Leon Panetta tried to have one of his hit squads hunt me down in Sweden for what I was writing about its other assassination efforts, the Pentagon’s development and use of laser weapons, and Angela Merkel’s work as a KGB and Staasi spy, thinking that I was someone’s spy or leaker, and it only was stopped by the Swedish Security Service, Sapo. It was working then with the Bureau, trying to fit me up as Colleen LaRose’s aka ‘Jihad Jane’s while/Muslim assassin of cartoonist Lars Vilks.

    With a free spirit having to put up with these deadly efforts, you can just imagine what a real spy or leaker is confronted with.

  7. It would be good if people who are thinking of taking on any professional post were encouraged to develop an Emergency Exit Plan, so that they can resign, or risk dismissal, if some morally problematic situation arises. Mortgages of course have the opposite effect: keep your job or lose your house more or less immediately.

  8. This is coming out soon:

    BTW, Ambassador Murray, I sent you a link via Twitter. Hope you got it.

  9. ….. GCHQ/MI6 agent Gareth Williams, his associate Gudrun Loftus, astrophysicist Steve Rawlings, …..

    Could you please elaborate on these individuals, and perhaps point out the subjects of their concern.

    This would be very much appreciated, for those of us less informed on these issues.

  10. Have fun in Cannes, though I doubt if they do a decent whisky there !

  11. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    15 May, 2013 - 7:35 pm

    @ Trowbridge or whatever : Fedup made the following request of you

    ” ….. GCHQ/MI6 agent Gareth Williams, his associate Gudrun Loftus, astrophysicist Steve Rawlings, …..

    Could you please elaborate on these individuals, and perhaps point out the subjects of their concern.”

    I second Fedup’s request. I should be particularly interested to know (in general terms, if you wish) what secrets all the people you mention had or were about to reveal and who you think killed them.

    Presumably you make the public’s flesh creep not only on your infrequent visits to this blog but also through the medium of a book or two? If so, could you please refer us the the titles and publishers?

    Thank you.

  12. Lube for you

    15 May, 2013 - 7:40 pm

    Only Google’d you Trowbridge, but you comment above seems really out there, and probably has the makings of a Hollywood movie.

    I was reading more about you on a blog in Sweden, and one of the comments about a Stalin debate involving you said:

    ‘Trowbridge then threw one of his trademark hissy fits, accusing us of all kinds of hilariously nefarious schemes against him. Kang decided she’d had enough of Trowbrige’s crap, and called the whole thing off.’

    Do you have any viable proof to those ‘deadly efforts’ you mentioned above?

  13. Gene

    Sorry I only use twitter to automatically send out alerts of blogposts. I haven’t ever looked at incoming messages.


  14. April Showers

    15 May, 2013 - 8:02 pm

    Well done as ever for standing up Craig although at some personal and financial cost.

    You are wise also to give us (and the spooks) a rough outline of what you are doing and where you are so that you have high visibility thus preventing the dark actors have any ideas.

    btw Is Nadira in a film?

  15. You’re in Cannes?? Straight after Istanbul? Lucky sod.

  16. On the assassinations I mentioned, I suggest you read my articles on, especially those on Dr. Kelly, Stephen Hilder, Jurgen Mollemann, Williams and Loftus, Jorg Haider, Pim Fortuyn, Alexandr Litveninko etc. Most of them were done by Meir Dagan’s Mossad to satisfy the killers in London and Washington.

    Kelly and Mollemann were killed because they threatened to become leakers/whistleblowers of the contrived wars in the Middle East, Hilder was assassinated to make Mollemann’s unprecedented killing look common place, Williams Loftus and Rawlings were killed because they knew too many secrets, were leaking them, and were helping the West’s alleged enemies, Haider was killed because he threatened to make a comeback for Austria’s Far Right, Fortuyn was killed because he threatened to make Holland less Islamophobic, and Liteniniko was poisoned, like me, because he threatened to blackmail London and Washington over who killed Sweden’s Olof Palme, and almost lost the Cold War.

    The West is now killing anyone who now causes it any serious problems.

    As for problems with Sweden’s The local, it banned me ultimately for suggesting that the Mossad’s William Hershkovitz killed the Al-Hillis and Mollier in France last September as part of his duties to join the agency permanently.

  17. We live in a fascist state.

  18. April Showers

    15 May, 2013 - 8:54 pm

    Some of the G4S charmers involved in this sad case were found to have exchanged racist jokes. There was a report on the inquest by Kurt Barling on the BBC London News tonight.

    Jimmy Mubenga inquest: he was asking for help and did not get it, wife says
    Mubenga, who was being deported to Angola, died on a plane at Heathrow airport after being restrained by security guards

  19. Cannes is THE place for an anti-Zionist ‘dissident’ to be seen.

  20. As for the books I have written, they are:

    Albert Venn Dicey: The Man and his Times (Barry Rose, Chichester, 1985.

    Henry Brougham and his World (Barry Rose, Chichester, 1995)

    Chancellor Brougham and his World: A Biography (Barry Rose, Chichester, 2001)

  21. Dreoilin,

    Glad you chimed in. I meant to cite this article a few weeks back:

  22. @Giles

    Cannes is THE place for an anti-Zionist ‘dissident’ to be seen.

    Really? Not out of season, I would have thought, when Cannes is peopled not with beautiful people but with little old Jewish pensioners walking up and down La Croisette in the afternoon!

  23. Nadira’s a participant in the festival; I am just in Cannes to help carry her shoes.

  24. Sophie Habbercake

    15 May, 2013 - 9:50 pm


    This thread is killing me slowly. At least in Miss Entwhistle’s English grammar class we can watch the minute hand with its slow promise of deliverance.

    Why are you copying Dad and getting all pedantic about spelling and grammar? Does a word or two mis-spelled or the inevitable occasional grammatical error really invalidate, or in the case of Dad, validate, what they are trying to communicate. Or are we so dumb that we can’t understand a sentence because its writ rong??

    Surely Dad’s posts are entertaining more because of their inimicable* superior tone and pure bloody-minded stupidity than because even he, High Priest of the Order of Pedant-Trolls, occasionally commits the same literary slips as the rest of us.

    *Does she mean harmful or superlative or both? Yes pedants, a gift for you all!

  25. Bet you looked great in your kilt, though, carrying those shoes while Nadira posed on the red carpet!

    Like that image …

  26. April Showers

    15 May, 2013 - 10:17 pm

    Why is Agent Cameron farting about in the US? What is he doing there? Should be at home tending to his wayward flock of sheep.

    Cameron survives humbling EU revolt in parliament

    By Peter Griffiths

    LONDON | Wed May 15, 2013 9:54pm BST

    (Reuters) – Prime Minister David Cameron suffered an embarrassing blow in parliament on Wednesday when more than a third of his Conservative MPs voted against him in protest at his stance on Britain’s membership of the European Union.

    Though the revolt was defeated, it could undermine Cameron’s leadership, as scores of his own party’s MPs took the highly unusual step of voting to criticise his government’s legislative plans, a week after they were first put before parliament.

    The rebels are angry that the government’s policy proposals did not include steps to make Cameron’s promise of a referendum on Britain’s EU membership legally binding.


  27. Fedup
    15 May, 2013 – 7:01 pm

    “….. GCHQ/MI6 agent Gareth Williams, his associate Gudrun Loftus, astrophysicist Steve Rawlings, …..”

    “Could you please elaborate on these individuals, and perhaps point out the subjects of their concern.”

    “This would be very much appreciated, for those of us less informed on these issues.”

    Do you not have access to Google?

    Do you not have an enquiring mind Fedup, or do you have to be spoon-fed information?

  28. Sophie Habbercake

    15 May, 2013 - 10:31 pm

    Sorry folks.

    What kind of idiot posts on the wrong thread? (9 50pm belongs on BBC thread)

    I ask you to bear with me on account of my tough

  29. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    15 May, 2013 - 10:36 pm

    I’m surprised you didn’t help Ray out with a link, Craig.

    Yes, ‘whistleblowers’ as opposed to ‘leakers’ and they shouldn’t be confused. Leakers usually have a covert agenda and require anonymity. Whistleblowers invest everything they have to do the right thing no matter where the chips fall.

  30. OK then. Here is the link to a conference, which I was wondering whether you had followed:

    Wishing you a great time in Cannes!

  31. Do you not have access to Google?

    Do you not have an enquiring mind Fedup, or do you have to be spoon-fed information?

    To find such a presumptuous tosspot, who has long disappeared up his own nether regions giving lectures on google is really funny. Tosser! Google is a compromised source and does censor based on the local imperatives, at least learn some facts of life before letting it rip.

    Kindly fuck off and stick your lectures up your arse.

  32. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    15 May, 2013 - 10:44 pm

    The Obsessive Poster to Craig :

    “You are wise also to give us (and the spooks) a rough outline of what you are doing and where you are so that you have high visibility thus preventing the dark actors have any ideas”

    Is there any bandwagon, be it so absurd, onto which the Obsessive Poster won’t leap? Any crackpot theory (in this case, Trowbridge’s) which she will not eagerly espouse?

    But hey, let’s ask the man hilmself : Craig, do you live in daily fear of assassination by the dark forces of MI6/the CIA/Mossad?

  33. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    15 May, 2013 - 10:53 pm

    It’s been rumored there is a silent agreement twixt the Security agencies and the Administration that some places should not be visited.

    Of course, I am referring to the reticence to chase down the war mongers/criminals attached at the hip to Bush Gang.

    It was also rumored that GITMO is extant because the message from CIA was implicit in the day-timer with WH schedule found in the gutter. “Remember JFK”. Obama does.

    I wonder if this is a shot heard throughout the Virginia Farm?

  34. At Cannes eh?

    Watch out for the CIA. They’re the ones with the wigs, Bic lighters and GMAIL sales-pitch. They may have heard of your recent Yahoo troubles and see a way in.

    Still, if there’s a free Bic lighter in it.

  35. I wonder if this is a shot heard throughout the Virginia Farm?

    Check the link, either you have made a mistake, or the “cleaners” have been at it: “page not found (404)” is the message.

  36. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    15 May, 2013 - 11:07 pm

    Fedup; That was weird. I checked it when I posted and it was fine. Checked search engine and found the link, again.

  37. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    15 May, 2013 - 11:08 pm

    works….go for it, while it’s available.

  38. “Cannes is THE place for an anti-Zionist ‘dissident’ to be seen.”


  39. Sophie Habbercake

    15 May, 2013 - 11:14 pm

  40. Jimmy the Seagull

    15 May, 2013 - 11:25 pm

    Slightly OT, but given Craig’s connection with Dundee I’d like to highlight a likely victim of austerity in nearby St Andrews, where Fife Council has decided to cut funding from St Andrews Botanic Garden. Unless a solution is found it’ll close in September.

    It’s a very beautiful garden, not huge but with an immense variety of well-labeled plants and trees. The local schoolkids use it a lot as an educational resource too.

    They have an online petition going. The deadline is only a few days away. Please sign:

    And here’s the site of the Garden itself:

  41. Atlantic Wire links seem indentical to me … but the story is from Jun 30, 2011?

  42. For the paranoid.

    Wondering about the new Facebook share on the blog. Check the source. It’s totally passive and the share image is stored on Mr. Murray’s server. The blog isn’t reporting every post you read back to FaceBorg HQ. Unlike many other sites.

  43. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    15 May, 2013 - 11:44 pm

    Dreoilin @ 11:34

    I am embarassed.

  44. “The UN General Assembly [today] voted to pass an Arab-backed draft resolution that strongly condemns the Assad government and embraces the political viability of the Syrian National Coalition. Russia’s UN envoy characterized the resolution as “counterproductive.” …


    “The draft resolution further welcomes the establishment of the Syrian National Coalition “as effective representative interlocutors needed for a political transition.”

    “The document noted “the wide international acknowledgment” that the main opposition group is the legitimate representative of the Syrian people.”

    Meanwhile, I saw Tim Marshall’s report on Sky News:

    “Syria: Civilians Come Under Fire From Rebels”

    Apparently they were Syrian refugees attempting to return to their homes, but they wanted the ‘rebels’ out. And they were shouting slogans to that effect. The ‘rebels’ said they “would’t allow” such a demonstration, so they began firing on them.

  45. Sorry Ben!
    I’ve done it myself on Twitter a couple of times. :)

  46. Sophie Habbercake

    15 May, 2013 - 11:53 pm


    Links are the same. Ben corrected it while I was finding and reading it.

    As for old story from June 2011. Isn’tthe point that no more has happened since then. Where did that investigation go?


    Moaz al-Khatib: The priority is to save Syria

    Outgoing head of the Syrian National Coalition discusses his decision to resign and the next steps for the opposition.

  48. would appreciate if any whistleblowers can shed light on the owners of The Grove Hotel, Watford, Ralph Trustees directors, Stuart & Daniel Levy:

    7 May: Watford Observer: The Bilderberg Group to meet in The Grove Hotel in Watford
    The Bilderberg Group will be meeting in The Grove Hotel between June 6 and June 8…

    google has held their secretive annual zeitgeist meetings at the Grove since 2006 when David Cameron made an appearance (& are doing so this year around the time of the Bilderberg meeting) :

    Dun&Bradstreet: Stuart Mark Levy – All registered records for Stuart Mark
    Director Parkspa Securities Limited
    Director The Ralph Levy Charitable Company Limited
    Director, Ralph Trustees Ltd,
    Director United Jewish Israel Appeal

  49. Fox Mulder 15 May, 2013 – 11:37 pm

    For the paranoid.

    Wondering about the new Facebook share on the blog. Check the source. It’s totally passive and the share image is stored on Mr. Murray’s server. The blog isn’t reporting every post you read back to FaceBorg HQ. Unlike many other sites.

    If anybody else has tried the new Facebook share button, Jon would appreciate your feedback on the ‘Virus’ thread.

  50. Israeli official hints at more attacks on Syria, warns Assad not to respond

    Beyond chutzpah

  51. Enjoy your dissidence Craig,

    You’re very lucky,i think.

    Most,these days,as another poster alluded to,end up dead-sorry to say.

    More power to ya.

  52. Apparently the Stuxnet worm has “increased” Iran’s nuclear capability.

    Have you ever hear more absurd propagandic guff?

    Nah…thought not.

    What a load of shite.

  53. Rarely the whistle-blowers get a movement of fortune; this is one of them…

    “Please tell the world the truth!” ♥

    “We don’t want the fighters here.” ♥

    “we want the army to kill deal with them!” ♥

    With thanks to Dreoilin.

  54. Few leaders are as intelligent as Swedish chancellor Axel Oxenstierna. When all his competitors promoted loyal incompetents he always promoted the skilful, however independent they were. As a result, he was defended by the best talents in the country when his competitors were defended only by their incompetent henchmen. And as a result, he was able to keep his post for 50 years.

  55. English Knight

    16 May, 2013 - 6:53 am

    Giles and Paradox “Cannes is THE place for an anti-Zionist ‘dissident’ to be seen.”

    Polite reminder to all sad sayanim and hapless hasbarista, at this rate you are losing even the slim chance of ending up safe in Manchester like Gerald Kaufmann !

  56. Craig..seems you had a bit of a shower there…maybe just best to head for the bar and educate our French friends on the finer points of the National Drink! Enjoy the better weather today according to the forecast, you might want to zip over to Monaco just up the road for a day trip. That is where all the real fat cats hang out so you might run into a few of them..anyway..enjoy yourself.

  57. April Showers

    16 May, 2013 - 8:21 am

    Laughing in our faces, contd

    Amazon’s corporation tax bill less than it gets in grants despite £4bn UK sales
    Internet giant faces new round of condemnation for total bill of £3.1m on UK sales of £4.2bn

    Agent Cameron visits Amazon depot Sept 2012 video

    Prime Minister David Cameron praised the workforce of Hemel Hempstead during a visit to internet retail giant Amazon.

    Mr Cameron was in town to officially open the company’s distribution centre in Boundary Way and to celebrate Amazon’s announcement that it will create thousands of jobs in the UK over the next two years.

    He said: “We are recovering from a deep recession. It’s a big hole we have to climb out of. Hemel has some great advantages – very skilled, hard-working people, very good connections with the motorway and rail network, all of which we are committed to upgrade, and a government that is friendly to business.”

    The Amazon MD is an American, Chris North. He speaks of the depots as ‘fulfilment centres’ and has plans to open two more in the UK.

    Nice one Amazon and Mr Bezos whose net worth is $25 billion.

    Last night Iain Dale was explaining how Amazon purchase books at 60% discount, leaving the author with very little after the publishing and other costs. Think of all the independent book shops that have closed down.

    He writes here

  58. April Showers

    16 May, 2013 - 8:26 am

    Gideon to the CBI yesterday.

    “You told us you needed an education system that equipped young people for the workplace.

    So we’re transforming education – we’ve opened 2900 academies; started 1 million apprenticeship and we’re directing a quarter of billion pounds of skills funding direct through employers.

    In the face of opposition – from vested interest groups and unions.”

    Presumably the CBI is not a ‘vested interest group’.

  59. Talking of the Mavi Marmara, I see the ICC is taking a sniff round –

    Situation’s complex, but it seems that the relatives of the dead are looking at up to £100K (and down to what?)in compensation from Israel: this, naturally, requires that said relatives drop all charges and Turkey shuts up about Gaza. Meanwhile, Comoros ( Craig knows where it is, I certainly don’t) which is a party to the ICC and is where the Mavi Marmara was registered, initiated the ICC preliminary enquiry.

    Israel* has very wisely, in view of its behaviour, refused to “ratify, acknowledge or adhere to” the ICC, so keep the champagne on chill for the moment.

    Craig, it’s almost impossible not to enjoy Istanbul, and I hope it keeps fine for you.

    *and the US, obviously

  60. oops…pedants, that should of course be İstanbul. I shall ignore the Greeks.

  61. April Showers

    16 May, 2013 - 8:51 am

    My comment too yesterday Komodo –

    On this day of mourning, the 65th anniversary of al Nakba, these pieces of news are heartening.

    Yesterday, the ICC prosecutor announced that she would pursue the complaint filed by Comoros Island.

    And Gaza’s Ark announced they had purchased the boat to sail OUT of Gaza.

    “Every year on May 15, Palestinians all over the world hold demonstrations to commemorate Nakba Day, which marks the anniversary of the forcible eviction of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homeland by Israelis and the creation of Israel in 1948.”

  62. April Showers

    16 May, 2013 - 9:09 am

    Oddie. Well found.

    The Levy brothers have two other establishments, the Runnymede Hotel and the Athenaeum.

    I am not sure if this Daniel Levy is the same as the Daniel Levy above. There is a discrepancy of one year in the date of birth on Wikipedia and on company records. Chairman of Spurs.

    The United Jewish Israel Appeal has Lord Levy (B.Liar’s tennis partner) as President. Income £10.3 million. Spending £13m

    Their website opens with a silhouette of two men carrying work tools going to work in 1956 at Ma’alot.

    Ma’alot The city was established in 1963 through a municipal merger of the Arab town of Tarshiha and the Jewish town of Ma’alot … Ma’alot was established as a development town for Jewish immigrants from Romania, Iran, Lebanon and Morocco, in 1957. The first homes were built on Har HaRakafot (Cyclamen Hill), known in Arabic as Bab Al-Hauwa (“Gate of the Winds”).[12]

  63. Whistle-blowers by their honesty set themselves up in the fairground shooting gallery for those with the weapons (physical or metaphorical) to use as target practice. Sadly it is not just whistle-blowers but journalists, and people with political views which worry the establishment, Communists for example. I had the privilege of working with a Scottish toolmaker in Lancashire, who had to keep his head low because of his former activities as convenor of Dalmuir Royal Ordnance Factory. He could not afford to make a mistake and, although still very politically active, he had to keep a low profile to stay in work. Although I have never been a Communist Eddie Nesbit got me to read “The Ragged-trousered Philanthropists” by Robert Tressell. It was an awakening for me.

    ‘Reds under the bed’ McCarthyism and perpetual denigration from the press made Communism into a dirty word. At university another Communist ex-Convenor, Derek Robinson, gave a talk and I learnt how vilification from the media had destroyed another man and an industry. Those of my generation will remember how he was dubbed ‘Red Robbo’ all over all the dailies for his efforts to save the jobs of Rover workers. And what happened to the massive Longbridge plant? It closed leaving thousands of skilled and semi-skilled workers without a job.

    Good people can have their lives destroyed by the media. Look to who owns it and the answer to the problem lies there.

  64. “Meanwhile, Comoros ( Craig knows where it is, I certainly don’t) …”

    Teeny, tiny, north west of Madagascar. I had to look up Google maps. Presumably the teeny tiny is irrelevant as long as they’re party to the ICC.

    “Grande Comore is the youngest of the islands, and has a massive active volcano on it, which scientists predict is likely to erupt in the near future.”


  65. Yes, then I googled it too, Dreoilin. Exports ylang-ylang and vanilla, currently a democracy in more than name. Half the population earn less than $1.25 a day. Tourism has not yet blighted it. Scots please note – referendum massively supported devolution to individual islands.

  66. Thank-you April Showers for digging into ‘The Grove’ ownership – We have been told the nearby Rugby ground c/w Internet/telephones/interview rooms/cafeteria etc is thought to have been booked as a ‘holding area’ for protesters who breach public order or who trespass onto the hotel grounds.

    We have heard from a police informer that surveillance drones will be used to monitor surrounding Heath woods and access to the estate from Merlin’s wood across Grove Mill Lane.

    Mobile phone coverage in the area may be interrupted to discourage live streaming from citizen journalists – another ‘tip’ from the same police whistle-blower.

  67. surveillance drones

    Peg |__________________O Helium balloon

    Thin fishing line

    Barrage balloons. In quantity.

  68. Excellent idea Komodo – hat tip!

  69. They treat us like kids – fight back with kids’ toys. Adds an essential air of ridiculousness to the whole project.
    Whether they work or not.

  70. Warning: even discharging a spud gun in a public place is technically illegal, and I am sure our honest guardians of the law will swoop* as one plod on persons suspected to be in possession of a potato in such an event.

    * not really the right word. “Clump”, perhaps?

  71. April Showers

    16 May, 2013 - 11:47 am

  72. It doesn’t affect me like the community charge, so I will sit on my butt and do nothing…

    Bedroom Tax suicide: Stephanie Bottrill’s grieving son Steven hits out at David Cameron.

  73. I think retaliation in kind may still be legal.

    As long as your water pistol doesn’t look like a real gun. Question is, if a table leg looks like a real gun (remember? then even this might get you shot –

    Don’t load it with Sarin, though, no matter how tempted you might be. The wind might change.

  74. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    16 May, 2013 - 12:10 pm

    I’ll do a coblined post:

    @ Komodo : you ignore the Greeks at your peril! (take that as you like… :) )

    @ various : one of the islands of the Comoros – Mayotte – didn’t want independence from France and has stayed French to this day. A very wise move – it gets French money and priviledges and has avoided the poverty and the past political turmoil of the other islands. I wonder why exactly the Comoros (which are Muslim)initiated the ICC action – what’s their angle/interest/incentive?

    @ April Showers : water cannon would be an excellent idea, they would have been useful during the London riots. Much less dangerous than rubber bullets, tear gas, etc (see experience on the Co,ntinent and in Northern Ireland)

    @ John Goss : come on, man! Longbridge wasn’t destroyed by the press and media, it destroyed itself.

    All for now, I have to lunch and then toddle off to my regular thé dansant. Pip pip!

  75. what’s their angle/interest/incentive?

    They’re antisemitic holocaust denying jihadis who want to wipe Israel off the map and set up a world caliphate, obviously. You’re Melanie Phillips, aren’t you? Mavi Marmara ( see next blog post) was reregistered in Comoros (see next blog post), apparently because Turkey knew what was coming (see next blog post) Just hinting –

  76. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    16 May, 2013 - 1:13 pm

    @ Komodo

    Why should I be Mad Mel? You’ve lost me, I’m afraid.

    And I hadn’t read the next thread when I asked my question, so there’s no point being snappy! :)

  77. SinceFed Up, Hababkuk et al. have completely derailed the thread, I still would like to know what happened to whistleblowers like Dr. David Kelly,Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh, GCHQ/MI6 agent Gareth Williams, his associate Gudrun Loftus, Dr. Steven Rawlings, Jorg Haidar Pim Fortuyn, etc., ad nauseam.

    And here are many others, like Theo van Gogh, Viktor Gunnarsson, and Mrs. Miller.

    Just keep babbling on while the spooks keep killing the troublemakers!

  78. Jeremy Stocks

    16 May, 2013 - 2:01 pm

    I was once a whistle blower when I worked for the US Army on my own shite multinational when I found my boss rifling through my clients papers looking for new business.

    The US army actually looked after me a lot as I helped soldiers a lot. My multinational was a joke.

  79. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    16 May, 2013 - 8:25 pm

    @ Trowbridge :

    you forgot Uncle Tom Cobbley and the Grand Old Duke of York

  80. doug scorgie

    16 May, 2013 - 9:01 pm

    What happens in the USA soon comes to Britain.

  81. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    16 May, 2013 - 9:28 pm

    Doug Scorgie; 12 states, so far, have recognized the fiscal responsibility to avoid lawsuits from cop rioting.

    Ca, Conn, Fl, Ill, Md, Mi, Ma, Mt, Ne, NH, Pa, and Wa are the states where both party consent is necessary to record legally.

    I live in CA, and I have been cultivating my anonymity for decades. This law was meant to be broken.

  82. Komodo
    16 May, 2013 – 11:26 am

    “Warning: even discharging a spud gun in a public place is technically illegal, and I am sure our honest guardians of the law will swoop as one plod on persons suspected to be in possession of a potato in such an event.”

    You don’t need a spud gun to get arrested; simply a bag of potatoes – going equipped to commit crime it is called.

    Also it could be construed that being in possession of a bag of potatoes justifies an arrest for possessing an item useful to terrorists.

  83. Retired 4 star Admiral Blows Whistle on Benghazi – new Evidence

    “There have been many theories and accusations about the Benghazi fiasco that not only cost Ambassador J. Christian Stevens his life, but the lives of his staff and one Navy Seal body-guard as well. ………………… Finally, an authoritative figure with the proper credentials has stepped up to the plate to tell the true story of what did happen without the lies and cover-ups that have so far kept those guilty of murder from standing trial.”

  84. April Showers –

    did consider Spurs’ Daniel Levy, but not convinced on that one yet, tho the Hotel does have some football links:

    The Grove, Watford
    this hotel has played many roles…(includes) secret military headquarters…
    …this hotel hosts the England soccer team before every Wembley match.

    Manchester City’s deserved loss to Wigan signals the end of Roberto Mancini’s reign
    Khaldoon visited Mancini at the Grove hotel in Watford on Friday night, chatting to the manager and his players…

  85. Doug: Precisely. Unless the potatoes are in the form of Smash. In which case expect a drug check.

  86. Question: Would the mass carrying of potatoes (but no spud gun) in their various varieties and styles, with the intention of inducing the police to examine/confiscate them, constitute “wasting police time”?

  87. Sorry, Habbabkuk, but the killing of those 29 military intelligence and police officers on that Chinook helicopter at the Mull of Kintyre on June 2, 1994 are much more to the point. These whistleblowers were going way too soft on the Provisionals for the Crown during the Good Friday peace talks.

  88. I’d have thought it would have been easier just to ask these servants of the Crown to harden up, than find a suicidal Chinook crew, write off a new Chinook, and lose everyone’s services for good. But hey, that’s me.

  89. doug scorgie

    17 May, 2013 - 9:16 pm

    April Showers
    15 May, 2013 – 8:54 pm

    April, I can’t find anything on the internet about the original Actual Bodily Harm case against Jimmy Mubenga.

    I believe he pleaded not guilty but was convicted. Do you have any info?

  90. doug scorgie

    17 May, 2013 - 9:33 pm

    15 May, 2013 – 9:16 pm


    “Glad you chimed in. I meant to cite this article a few weeks back:”

    “Sharia councils: unjust, unequal and consequence of failed integration policies”

    “…the main issues to be addressed here aren’t only the discriminatory nature and inequality of these councils, but also the broader context of the failed integration polices of the current government. The failure to integrate migrants and refugees and the government’s pro-faith agenda has resulted in the demand and justification for such parallel systems to fulfil the needs of those who feel they are ‘different’.”

    For your information Slapding:

    “Jewish courts are in daily use in Britain, and have been for centuries.”

    British Jews have their own religious courts, the Beth Din.

  91. doug scorgie

    17 May, 2013 - 9:49 pm

    15 May, 2013 – 10:44 pm

    To me:

    “Kindly fuck off and stick your lectures up your arse.”

    Aha! We have a Shakespeare fan.

  92. Jives
    16 May, 2013 – 2:20 am

    “Have you ever heard more absurd propagandic guff?”

    Maybe Jives:

    “The Boston marathon bombing suspect wrote a message in a boat where he hid, describing victims of the attack as “collateral damage”, US media report.”

    “In the note, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev also reportedly scribbled that his brother was a martyr, adding: “When you attack one Muslim, you attack all Muslims.”

    “The bombs were retribution for the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the note said, sources told US media.”

  93. Komodo
    17 May, 2013 – 9:15 am

    “Question: Would the mass carrying of potatoes (but no spud gun) in their various varieties and styles, with the intention of inducing the police to examine/confiscate them, constitute “wasting police time”?”

    Yes I believe it would and organising the carrying of potatoes would no doubt involve a further charge of conspiracy.

    Perhaps even conspiracy to distribute weapons of mash destruction.

  94. I think you are right in telling people the plain truth about being a whistleblower so that they count the cost. This is a difficult decision to make, and that those who do it evidently need to be prepared to be self-employed afterwards.

    But there’s an idea for entrepreneurs: what about a company that employs ex-whistleblowers, just as some might employ ex-cons? Think of the untapped talent out there!

  95. Alexander Litvinenko died at University College Hospital London NW1.

    The Coroner for the district is Dr Andrew Reid of St Pancras Coroners Court.

    Why was High Court Judge Sir Robert Owen sitting as the coroner in this case when the jurisdiction is surely that of Dr Reid?

    “The coroner [Sir Robert Owen] ruled the inquest could not take evidence on possible Russian state involvement, citing national security.”

    “The British government had argued that certain material should be withheld from the inquest on the grounds that revealing it could damage national security.”

    “But he said addressing these issues at the inquest without the material could mean a verdict would be “potentially misleading and unfair”.”

    I think it likely now that the inquest will be cancelled and a public inquiry held rather than a proper inquest.

    This, as you will recall, is what happened in the case of Dr David Kelly that lead to the farcical Hutton inquiry.

  96. The Brits will never do anything convincing about Sasha’s murder because they were behind it.

    He came to Britain in the hope that the information he had gathered as a GRU and a KGB agent would be of value to London, not realizing that it was up to its eyeballs with Washington’s Iran Contras covert operators.

    Having supplied the assassin, it seems, for the Olof Palme murder, Sir John Scarlett didn’t want to hear anything about it being part of a non-nuclear plan to end the Cold War – what would have resulted in the Soviets winning it if it had not been for all of Putin’s spies – much less that Romano Prodi was one of them too.

    So he was poisoned with polonium-210 by the Israelis apparently, and made to look like Russians did it. When MI6 finally gave up trying to fit up Putin for the horrible murder, Boris Brerezovsky was left carrying the can, explaining his recent suicide.

    Should be a most cautionary tale for any would-be whistleblower, especially in Britain.

  97. Horseman Joe

    19 May, 2013 - 5:21 pm

    It might be a cautionary tale, if one could make head or tail of it. To what do the following refer?
    – ‘it’ in the second paragraph
    – the second ‘it’ in the third paragraph

  98. The first ‘it’ you want identified is the assassination of Palme on February 28, 1986 in Stockholm, and there is no second ‘it’ in the third paragraph.

    No wonder you have trouble understanding complicated operations. You add what isn’t there!

  99. Horseman Joe

    21 May, 2013 - 9:47 am


    I think you are miscounting your own paragraphs – there are five in all. Try again, old sock.

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