Time to Abolish the BBC

by craig on May 13, 2013 10:09 am in Uncategorized

It must be a fundamental human right not to have to pay James Purnell. The obnoxious Blair clone is on £420,000 a year at the BBC. I found this article absolutely horrifying; the BBC has appointed as director of news and current affairs James Harding, a man who wrote a defence of the 2008/9 massacre of 1400 Palestinians in Gaza, which used illegal and horrifying white phosphorous bombs as well as depleted uranium, and killed hundreds of small children. That attack was so shocking it reintroduced a significant proportion of the British student population to the idea of radical politics.

That the BBC should appoint the openly politically partisan to top positions – and that they should be openly neo-con – is not shocking because we have come to accept the depredations of the political class as normal.

The purpose of the BBC ended when Grag Dyke and Andrew Gilligan were forced out and the BBC issued a formal apology – in effect to Tony Blair – an apology for telling the truth about Iraqi WMD and the “dodgy dossier” which Blair, Campbell and Scarlett conducted. The BBC has seldom made the mistake of telling the truth since.

I increasingly find myself advocating political opinions I would have found anathema five years ago. I am forced to the opinion that now it is time to abolish the licence fee and end all public funding to the BBC. We should not be blinded by nostalgia; the BBC has no claim to impartiality or “public service ethic.” Nor, for the most part, to quality. Talent shows, reality TV and endless cooking and property auction programmes are not something everybody should be obliged to pay for, on penalty of not owning a television.

Doubtless bits of the BBC would survive in the private sector. World Service broadcasting might be taken over by DFID – another “fake independent agency” can be interposed if desired. But even if some good were lost, the overall harm done by this inflated structure and its all-pervading propaganda is such that it would be worth the sacrifice.

The Leveson Inquiry was a brilliant sleight of hand which managed to get liberals arguing for more government control of the media, while the real problem – the need for a radical breaking up of media ownership – was ignored. If we fracture the Murdoch empire and break up the BBC, with radically tough regulations restricting the percentage of the market any owner can have, we have a real chance to have a diverse media and broader political debate.

All institutions tend to corruption the longer they have existed. Over time those who control the structures of power develop ways to make sure large institutions are twisted to their personal interests. There is not much the rest of us can in truth do about it, except to give the kaleidoscope a good hard shake every now and then.

It is time to shake the kaleidoscope and abolish the BBC.


Just received from BBC Press Office:

Hi Craig

We wanted to draw your attention to our release from 14 Feb this year:


James Purnell’s salary as Director, Strategy and Digital, will be a total of £295,000 not £420,000.

Best wishes
BBC Press Office

So that’s OK then.

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  1. The Zionist-neocon-Elite controlled BBC is indeed one of their biggest propaganda machines. The only two DEC Humanitarian Appeals the BBC has refused to broadcast ( by Mark Thompson – an ardent Zionist ) have been appeals for the victims of Zionist terrorism. Gaza and Lebanon. As the Yanks say … Go figure!

    Andrew Marr’s repulsive broadcast literally urinating over the dead bodies of Iraqi victims of Zionist violence following the end of the Iraq invasion is another overt example .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_JC371jxPI

    But let’s not forget the BBC was created as a propaganda machine from the outset. A notable early use was against the General Strike in 1926

    I’m in two mind’s about the abolition of the BBC. Yes it’s a Zio propaganda machine, but it does, normally through gritted teeth, actually sometimes publish the other side of the story even if it’s tucked in some tiny fonted corner of it’s website or at 4am.

    What happens if we get rid of the BBC? Do the general populace who absorb the MSM as being the truth simply move towards the even more biased privately owned media outlets.

    They control all of the MSM, so getting rid of one will only mean the others will absorb the hypnotised.

  2. killingauntiefilms

    13 May, 2013 - 10:36 am

  3. Tempting in principle. But the alternative is probably even worse.

    A few hours watching the programmes on the other Freeview channels and Sky News show that it’s unlikely that a breakup of the BBC would lead to better or fairer programming.

    And the need to keep advertisers sweet would surely lead to an even more neo-con agenda. At least there is [B]some[/B] brake on the output of the BBC.

  4. Controlling the press and controlling the money supply have been the main tools ( along with oligarchal religion ) to control the people by “The Powers that Be” for centuries. The press is a hydra, and the BBC is one it’s slightly less corrupt heads.

  5. I very much agree Craig. Like the Poll tax people simply should just stop paying. The BBC already pimps itself to adverts on its website. So many times I’ve clicked a video link only to have some annoying advert come on and then when the video clip is set to begin words to the effect of “We are sorry, you do not have the bandwidth to view this video”. Plenty of bandwidth for the advert tho.
    Navigating the BBC website takes a bit of skill too to dodge all those annoying drop down adverts that obscure the BBC latest propaganda article that I’m trying to identify. Flog the few good bits off.

    One more time: People of conscience, please stop paying the license.

  6. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 10:57 am

    Totally agree Craig. The propaganda is being carried with licence fee payers’ money too let us not forget as Lwtc247 points out above.

    Here is Adam Levick of CIF Watch speaking to Israeli National Radio.


    He is the same Adam Levick who took the trouble to make the nasty little You Tube of Amena Saleem (on Craig’s link) using some strange wide angle camera setting which makes her look like a relative of ET. Not so subtle smearing Mr.Levick and pointless. Ten of her words are worth thousands of yours.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSxbBcSkv7c George Galloway speaking in the background and in Arabic too I think.

    She has brought new life to the PSC and has obviously rattled the Israel lobby’s cage.

    Levick http://cifwatch.com/about/

  7. I totally gave up on TV about a decade ago – am now hearing 75 -so obviously have NOT been continuing to buy any licence and the way they are responding is causing harassment – they’ve been here out of the blue to inspect – absolutely no prob fair do’s – but that was a year or so ago and now they are back at it like crazy over and over and their liasion systems are crap too. Crap outfit.

  8. I don’t think I have paid a TV licence in years…I just send back the computer generated demand every year with No Resident at this address…they never check..and as far at those notorious detector vans..what a joke..they only ever made 2 of them and they stopped working years ago…the entire licence fee is a fucking joke along with the BBC as a whole…I never pay in principle and if they want to find me, good luck.

  9. You are playing into the hands of the far worse stalking horse, the Murdoch empire Craig. The problem is, and has been, the chairman & DG appointments as well as MI5 on the trust & Bilderberger recently running the Barclays Libor fraud Marcus Agius on the executive board.
    Al Milne & Greg Dyke did well in top job!
    Like so many we need a purge of the gangster place men at the BBC starting obviously with Savile cover up boy Chris Patten.

  10. Agree with Tony G – just because the BBC has been subverted and cowed by the last 3 decades of rightwingery does not mean that it cannot fulfill the functions that we need. A progressive govenment would/should reestablish the corporation with an update to its original remit and a charter of editorial independence for its news reporting division. And, of course, reform of media ownership in the private sector will be essential, with incentives for papers/radio stations that are not owned by large corporate concerns.

  11. So we scrap the BBC and replace it with what? Another commercial station like ITV?

    If you don’t like their news don’t watch it but as many people complain about the BBC’s anti-Israeli bias.

  12. The BBC have all but completely ignored the death of Stephanie Bottrill, the first person known to have killed themselves because of the bedroom tax/penalty.

  13. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 11:51 am

    Greg Dyke and Andrew Gilligan were on this programme very recently somewhat unbelievably in view of what we think of the BBC. Perhaps one of its purpose is to absorb dissent. Hoon was his usual self and he and Tom Kelly tried to hold the B.Liar/A Campbell line but failed. A. Campbell was invited to participate but declined. Wonder why!

    The Hutton Inquiry
    Duration: 45 minutes
    First broadcast:Sunday 05 May 2013On 29 May 2003, the Today programme broadcast a report criticising the government’s use of intelligence in the lead up to war with Iraq.

    At the heart of the report was the allegation that Number 10 had “sexed up” an intelligence dossier to make a more convincing case for war. More specifically, that the government probably knew that one of the key claims in the dossier was wrong before they put it in: the claim that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction that could be “ready within 45 minutes of an order to use them”.

    The government, and specifically Director of Communications, Alastair Campbell, were furious. The row that followed was one of the bitterest in BBC history, and was fuelled in part by the death of the story’s source, government scientist, David Kelly. The Hutton Inquiry was set up to establish what went wrong and exposed the inner workings of the BBC, secret services, civil service and government machinery. Its findings, when published in January 2004, caused reverberations throughout the British establishment.

    Sue MacGregor reunites some of the people who were caught up in that row: Andrew Gilligan, the Today programme reporter whose broadcast was the cause of the argument; Geoff Hoon, Defence Secretary, who was accused of leaking David Kelly’s name as the source of the story; Tom Kelly, who as Tony Blair’s spokesman was at the heart of the storm and Greg Dyke, who resigned as Director General when Hutton’s conclusions were so critical of the BBC.

    Producer: Deborah Dudgeon and Kate Taylor
    Series Producer: David Prest
    A Whistledown production for BBC Radio 4


  14. Defund them – cancel your license:


    Those few hours of programming you can;t miss (and they are very few) can be seen legitimately on iPlayer.

  15. Christ, no. See US TV for why. Like everything else in this tragic country, the upper echelons are populated by gravy-drooling fat cats, sapping resources from and dictating bias to the poor bloody infantry, but the BBC even now has much more independence than the only alternative, which is mindless commercial pap. Also, I’d guarantee if the BBC went, the standards of the rest would slip still further, and the effect would be total audience anaesthesia.

    Comrades, it is time to burn down the business schools, hang anyone earning over £200K from a lamppost and reduce the management quota nationwide to 5% of its present level, re-employing the victims, selected by their inability to speak plain English, on Fenland farms picking strawberries and sorting eggs. Managementspeak isn’t all that different from Polish, when you come right down to it. Not many Englishmen understand either.

  16. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 12:11 pm

    Tony Gosling. Not forgetting Mark Thompson who knew. Miles Goslett was on the case from the beginning.


    A link to an audio where Thompson is asked directly.

    Excruciating to listen to Thompson who seems to find difficulty in stringing two words together. It is not a stammer which I would be sympathetic about.

    btw Thompson and his wife Jane Blumberg (she comes from a strongly Zionist US upbringing) visited Israel to meet Sharon. They were also friends of a rich lawyer Scot Young who introduced them to the rich Israeli Zabludowicz and others.

  17. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 12:13 pm

    PS Scot Young is not a lawyer but a ‘property tycoon’ according to that piece.

  18. If the BBCs decommonisioning would leave a hole, at least there would be a vacancy no longer occupied (luxuriously) by the current lot of professionaly unconscionable schmoozers, who plug corporate scripts in the name of honesty.

    Only pointless low-brow controversies and circular arguments are permitted in order to foster the appearance of fallible authenticity.

  19. The BBC is a propagandistic organisation which serves the criminal lunatics who have abandoned democracy and are now blowing up our welfare state. If you don’t work yourself to the bone for peanuts you will just be left to starve to death with the police making sure you don’t steal any food to keep yourself alive. You will be crushed at work and starved if you are out of work. The BBC will not bother about your plight. They will switch to reporting more on the ‘royal’ family. The screams will be drowned out by the dancing parades of the rich and privileged. They love the people to suffer. Goebbels would have been proud of the BBC. It surely is formed out of his ideas to brainwash people. As for the argument that we will be left with Sky and ITV that is like saying we shouldn’t jail a mass murderer because there are other mass murderers out there. We want to shut the lot of them down as they are all involved in a psychological war against the people.

  20. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 12:16 pm

    More on the friend of the Thompsons, the tycoon Scot Young.

    Major bank dragged into Scot Young divorce battle http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/major-bank-dragged-into-scot-young-divorce-battle-8589793.html

    The bank concerned is HBOS.

  21. there’s a fight going on in every area of society, within every institution from our schools to the BBC. on the one side are people who generally agree with the (generally) humanitarian ethos of this board, and on the other side are people who want nothing but power and profit. since the humanitarians in society clearly outnumber the latter, one wonders why the latter are so clearly in danger of winning.

    i don’t think it’s helpful to call for the abolition of the BBC, and not only because no-one on this board has anything like the power to do it. i think it’s a reductive, if not nihilistic game which i agree plays into the hands of murdoch and a wide variety of extremists.

  22. We want to shut the lot of them down as they are all involved in a psychological war against the people.

    With the general support of the people. Just sayin’. Brave would be he who shut down TV’s sports coverage and reality-fleeing soaps

  23. Please see update to post above :-)

  24. With the BBC being dependent on funding provided by parliament its no surprise that it needs to bow to the will of the government from time to time. That’s just the nature of the beast, sad though it is.

    I think that scrapping it is going too far. Regardless of the bias shown on some, and the lack of reporting on other, issues the nature of the BBC means that it is open to scrutiny and can be called to account for this. The same isn’t true of any of the other sources of news.

    The licence fee question needs to be settled once and for all and put out of touch of this, and any future, government. With this maybe we’d see a braver BBC.

  25. ^ He still hangs.

  26. Amusing that they correct you on his salary, but let ‘obnoxious Blair clone’ stand.

    The problem with the BBC is not its partiality, but its partiality alongside its reputation for neutrality and objectivity. The rest of the MSM carries implicit health warnings, but the BEEB is always objective, always the voice of informed and respectable opinion. If it’s not to be abolished then the only way I can think of saving it is by having its board of governors dismissed and replaced by a jury of one hundred part-time, unpaid volunteers, selected at random from the population at large. Same sort of thing applies to the government, as I’ve said before.

  27. “James Purnell’s salary as Director, Strategy and Digital, will be a total of £295,000 not £420,000.”

    I bet you when pension and other benefits are taken into account the total will be nearer £420000 than £295000

  28. I must say, the lack of imagination of a post-disbanded BBC being anything other than some crap US channel or a ‘and finally… ITV’ is disappointing. Or is it simply entrenched realism talking?

  29. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 1:52 pm

    Purnell So clean.

    cf as an MP 2002-10
    £40k pa from Open Left, donations from Policy Network, trips to Chile, Israel, Israel, Israel, Spain, India, writing for Serco, etc etc.

    More here http://www.powerbase.info/index.php/James_Purnell

  30. Or is it simply entrenched realism talking?

    Follow the money. If it gets viewers, it makes money. Hence, lowest-common denominator programming will always win on a commercial basis.

  31. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 2:06 pm

    BBC appoints Danny Cohen as new director of television

    Current BBC1 controller, whose credits include Call the Midwife, will oversee the corporation’s four main channels

    ‘One of BBC director general Tony Hall’s key lieutenants, Cohen will oversee all four of the BBC’s main channels and thousands of hours of programming a year. He will receive a total pay package of £327,800.

    In an email announcing his appointment to staff on Wednesday morning, Hall said Cohen, a former controller of BBC3 and E4, had been the “driving force” behind an extremely successful period in BBC1’s history and praised his “impressive mix of creativity and vision”.’


    BBC Press Office If you are still reading this, could we be told the total value of Mr Purnell’s ‘package’.

  32. Max Keiser mentioned that his only instruction when he had his BBC show was he could NEVER mention israel.

  33. Vronsky, 1:18 pm:

    “The problem with the BBC is not its partiality, but its partiality alongside its reputation for neutrality and objectivity.”

    Exactly. And the Queen’s English (on Radio 4 especially) evokes the old myth of the “reasonableness” of the English elite; there’s something very comforting about those plummy accents oozing out of your radio, reassuring you that someone educated at Oxford or Cambridge knows what is going on in the world, and that HM Government is doing something about it, repeating the same message every hour, on the hour,
    pip, pip, pip, pip, pip, piiiip.

  34. Purnell’s salary might only be £295,000 but Harding’s is £340,000. I notice that the BBC Press Office only corrected your salary error, not the more important fact that the BBC is predominantly Zionist.

    In fairness there are a few drama programmes which are worth watching. But the news is so important, and to have such a heavy bias, also well presented, is criminal.

    The BBC, and other media news outlets have radicalised me in a way they could not have done before the false flag (BBC complicit in that) of 9/11 which, as the late Aaron Russo so eloquently explained, Muslim groups did not have the capability to pull off 9/11 and where have been the subsequent 9/11 type sabotages. “Come on” he said. I say the same to Craig Murray who is the last sensible person who does not think 9/11 was an inside job.


    There are other sources, like Wesley Clark, but because Aaron Russo was also Jewish, he had no reason to question the official version. It also demonstrates that I am not anti-Jewish – just anti-Zionist.

  35. While looking without success for those additions to Purnell’s miserly £295K which would make his underprivileged existence less grey and hopeless, I noticed that Danny Cohen’s subordinate had jumped ship: Richard Klein of BBC4 has taken the ITV shilling, citing BBC budget cuts. Media Monkey in the Guardian has seen what purports to be the job ad for Klein’s successor –

    Monkey has been sent what seems to be a draft of the job ad for BBC4 controller, although admittedly it’s such a departure from the corporation’s usual style that the possibility that it’s a phished fake (the Syrian Electronic Army will stop at nothing) can’t be ruled out. After the standard boilerplate, it does little to woo applicants: “(1) There is no money: we won’t deny Broadcast’s figure of a £26m annual budget, or £500,000 a week. (2) Things are so bad that that the last boss fled to ITV, although he’s a cerebral chap who doesn’t know Ant from Dec or Holly from Amanda (3) Those lovely, funny biopic dramas we used to have? Forget about doing them. (4) And British comedy (5) And fly-on-the-wall documentary series (6) Even history must usually have an arty angle, as we’re now the culture ‘n’ old clips channel (7) So The Review Show has been dumped on you mid-evening – enjoy! (8) No, you can’t have same-day soap repeats to boost ratings, like BBC3 (9) No, the news can’t move from going daftly head to head with Jon Snow (10) Remember, though, that you will be running the channel Chris Patten watches – you must keep him happy, even though you’ve only got tuppence to spend on programmes. Good luck!”

    A late relative of mine did a lot of work for the BBC prewar and afterwards – he reckoned the institution was dominated by, er, natural Israel sympathisers* then, as it is now. No-one should be surprised at its reluctance to criticise Israel; many of its staff have the right of return. It’s institutional. A tradition, even.

    * he called them something else, but that was then…

  36. Keith Crosby

    13 May, 2013 - 3:04 pm

    You’re a bit late Craig,Thatchler assassinated TradBBC in the late 80s and replaced it with COMbbc a commercial simlacrum, with consequences which by now must seem all too obvious.

  37. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 3:07 pm

    The Medialens editors on corporate journalism, including the BBC’s. Watch the video of the metronomes achieving synchronicity. Compelling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqFc4wriBvE

    ‘You Say What You Like, Because They Like What You Say’

  38. This is worth a read

    “a documentary due to be broadcast on Thursday 25th April was pulled suddenly from the schedules. “Jerusalem: An Archaeological Mystery Story” argued that there was no evidence for the claim of mass Jewish flight and exile from Jerusalem in 70AD”


  39. PS – the 70AD expulsion was from Jerusalem, NOT Palestine. The Askenazi European Jews weren’t historical exhiles from the middle east as the Zionists claim (the basis for their right of return). They are (clearly) white Europeans. And the only historical evidence is for an exclusion from that one city. The Palestinians will be the descendents of those living in Judea at the time because usual historical demography is that cultures move but populations largely stay put.

  40. Purnell….PPE, Oxford (though not Eton). Appears to still be working for The Boston Consulting Group, for which he has co-authored many documents, presumably not for free –


    and was receiving £40K p.a from Demos, for which he may still be working, in 2010.


    There was no open recruitment process to fill the BBC position. Old Boy’s Network rules applied.

  41. Break it up. Do creative things with the good bits. Flog off the bad bits to the corporate whore media. Makes no difference.

  42. doug scorgie

    13 May, 2013 - 4:14 pm

    Very interesting questioning of Hall and Patten

    Some good questions from Angie Bray:

    Q3 “Lord Hall, were you surprised to be offered the Director-General’s job, given that you had not actually applied for it?”

    Q5 “You did apply for the job yourself in 1999 and on that occasion failed to get it. What do you think has changed that made you not suitable for the job then but very suitable-in fact, so suitable that there were no other people considered-this time round?”

    Q10 “Nevertheless, a pattern does seem to have been set, because we then had the Director-General doing exactly the same with an internal appointment and inviting James Purnell to take on the job as the Director of Strategy and Digital, again without any open competition. Aren’t we seeing a pattern emerging here that is not necessarily very acceptable?”

    Q11”It does sound a bit cosy, people you already knew. Is there seriously nobody else that might have been able to do the job that James Purnell was just handed?”

    Culture, Media and Sport Committee
    THE Priorities FOR the new Director-General of the BBC
    Thursday 25 April 2013


  43. “I must say, the lack of imagination of a post-disbanded BBC being anything other than some crap US channel or a ‘and finally… ITV’ is disappointing. Or is it simply entrenched realism talking?”

    If anything it would be worse. Abolish the licence fee and how is the BBC going to be funded? There’s only a finite amount of advertising money floating around which the BBC will have to compete for against the other commercial stations. Expect loads more cheap programmes, more repeats and even more dumbing down than we’ve seen to date.

  44. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 4:21 pm

    Not off topic. This concerns the BBC Chairman, board member of Bridgepoint Capital who own Care UK who in turn own Harmoni. The latter was started up by two Harrow GPs to provide an out of hours service and they sold out to Care UK.

    This is how the ‘private sector’ works. Chaotic, short staffed and insufficiently funded and managed.


    Don’t get ill out of hours or better still don’t get ill at all.

    The Cornwall out of hours contract referred to in the article is run by Serco. I think I recently posted the details of Mrs Hodge’s committee’s inquisition of their top people about their many shortcomings and the fraud where records were being altered.

    Milburn, Purnell’s erstwhile Cabinet colleague is also on the Bridgepoint board along with the ex M&S chief Stuart Rose and others. You can see below that they are consistently acquisitive.



    Patten ought to get out of Bridgepoint before the **** literally hits the fan. The BBC ‘health’ reporters have been demonising the NHS throughout the progress of the Health and Social Care Act and since it came into place on April Fool’s Day. Nearly every day there is some sort of scare story.

  45. Surely this is all academic. I suspect there’s going to be a sharp fall off of people paying the licence fee due to the rapidly increasing use of internet streaming to watch programmes. Look around at how many people are glued to their smart phones. Conventional TV is in its twilight years along with any luck the corporate news media.

  46. Q21 Chair: You will be aware of the controversy over the very high pay levels that are set for senior management at the BBC. James Purnell is coming in on a salary of something like £300,000. Anne Bulford is coming in pretty close to £400,000 a year. One of the arguments that the BBC has always made is that you have to pay these rates because these are the market rates. How do you know what the market rates are, if you don’t have a competition and find out who else might be available?


  47. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 4:29 pm

    Komodo I put up Purnell’s BBC register of interests earlier.


  48. James Purnell was the man who brought in ATOS to do medical assessment on the sick and disabled.

  49. Medialens commented on Twitter

    ‘Horrific bombs in Turkey. Yet again the BBC leads with evidence-free accusations blaming Syrian govt

  50. Dreolin, much more likely to be an Israeli false-flag to try and get Turkey involved in the conflict against Syria.

  51. Looking at the comments there seems to be a distinct absence of contribution from the resident Israeli trolls defending their masters. Watch ‘em come out from under the bridge now.

  52. The World Service used to broadcast real news unavailable in daytime Radio 4 bulletins/interviews. Now it seems to have been dumbed down into a mixture of football, art fogeyism, musical babble, and irrelevant tweets. I have better things if I am awake at night to think about than this detritus of a worn-out glacier. The last remaining relevance of the BBC has apparently disappeared so I think I have to agree with Craig. Abolish it. I have no TV so I also never pay the licence fee.

  53. John Goss

    Happy Baccy can’t get to his shed because of the hail.

  54. Yet again the BBC leads with evidence-free accusations blaming Syrian govt

    “Later on Saturday another Deputy Prime Minister, Besir Atalay, said initial investigations showed the attackers were linked to Syrian intelligence, NTV reported.”

    So they’re quoting the Deputy PM, or one of Turkey’s Deputy PMs, how does that equate with them even believing that it’s true?

  55. “Later on Saturday another Deputy Prime Minister, Besir Atalay, said initial investigations showed the attackers were linked to Syrian intelligence, NTV reported.”

    I’d call that an evidence-free accusation. Did the BBC even suggest that there might be another explanation? Or say that the above “remained to be confirmed”?

  56. yes please, abolish it into many small pieces, and make the remainder modern, in parts public if must be, put children in charge of it and watch it take off.

    We can but speculate as to who bombed Turkey, but it had the desired effect, although Erdogan is reticent, he knows that Turkey is open and could easily be subjected to a false flag incident.

    Some Turkish jets gone missing. All sorts of provocations.
    This from the Turkish media assuming double bluff.

  57. “So that’s OK then.” – he he he.

    Lots of people are saying that Amazon led the people to kill off literature. So far, I haven’t heard many people saying the BBC led the people to kill off TV but I think it’s time to start saying it or stop doing what we’re led to do by these organisations. I stopped owning a TV for a while once. It took the licence people over a year to grasp the fact. It is so unheard of for people to stop having a TV, they don’t have a system for stopping licences for people who aren’t dead.

  58. “I’d call that an evidence-free accusation. ”

    Possibly; but by Besir Atalay. He might have intelligence he can’t or won’t share or he could be talking rubbish. Either way reporting his words does not constitute support but is important as it tells us what the Turkish government is thinking, whether it be right or wrong.

  59. @ April Showers, 13 May, 2013 – 3:07 pm
    Sheeple sync much quicker.

  60. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 May, 2013 - 6:17 pm

    @ John Goss :

    “Looking at the comments there seems to be a distinct absence of contribution from the resident Israeli trolls defending their masters.”

    If that’s by any chance a reference to (inter alia) me : you’re right, in on-topic mode I’m concentrating on – and finding interesting – the comments relevant to Craig’s lead-in blog, ie on the BBC.

    BTW, and at the risk of getting personal, if the picture (is it called an avatar?) is really of you, then I must say you’re quite a handsome chap. I’d somehow imagined you to look like the late Charles Hawtrey of “Carry On” fame.


    La vita è bella, life is good! (and £295.000 too much)

  61. John Goss at 2.44pm : I say the same to Craig Murray who is the last sensible person who does not think 9/11 was an inside job.

    Craig Murray at 1009am : I increasingly find myself advocating political opinions I would have found anathema five years ago.

    Slowly, slowly catchee monkey :)

  62. You may wish to write to Harding reminding him of the ideals of the BBC – broadcasting reliable information, not propaganda, as the basis of its reputation.

    Part of the BBC’s problem may also be that when, thanks to government spending cuts, the BBC axed its Arabic service, many of its best journalists went to Al-Jazeerah. So it mey be well to think of ways of getting tham back.

  63. @Kempe

    What do you mean by “possibly”? Where is the evidence if it’s only a “possibly” evidence-free accusation? There was no evidence provided.

    “Either way reporting his words does not constitute support but is important as it tells us what the Turkish government is thinking”

    Not necessarily. All it tells us is what they are saying publicly. They’ll be asking for more NATO assistance next.

    And you didn’t answer the rest of what I said:

    Did the BBC even suggest that there might be another explanation? Or say that the above “remained to be confirmed”?

    Of course they didn’t.

  64. @kempe

    “Expect loads more cheap programmes, more repeats and even more dumbing down than we’ve seen to date.”

    The dumbness that shamelessly presents itself as dumbness is depressing, but unthreatening. It’s the dumbness that presents itself as intelligent commentary that’s a worry. We’d all be much safer if all they did was property porn, davidattenstuff, slebs and rock ‘music’. With the BBC, innocent crap is too much to hope for.

  65. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 May, 2013 - 6:54 pm

    @ KingofWelshNoir :

    “Slowly, slowly catchee monkey”

    A bit of wishful thinking there, I’d say.

    While Craig occasionally goes over the top in his blogs (deliberately, to get the troops fired up, so to speak), he doesn’t belong to the Nutters Brigade.

  66. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 7:03 pm

    Obomber was using the figures of 80,000 Syrians ‘slaughtered’ and 5m refugees at his press conference with Agent Cameron carried in full by the BBC. Agent Cameron called the BBC’s James Landale to put a question. All scripted naturally. Regime change was the plan of action and Assad must/will go was the cold message from the dead eyed President. Obama squirmed at a question about the Benghazi killings of the US ambassador and others. I thought that milord did protest too much. He went on too long.

    I saw this poem on DV. Apologies to all decent Americans.

    I’m an American
    by Paul Lojeski / May 12th, 2013

    I’m an American.
    I can do whatever
    I want, when I want,
    to whomever I want.
    It’s God’s plan
    for America
    and for me.
    It’s in the Constitution,
    too. That’s how
    I know I’m superior
    to others, any
    others, anywhere.
    And if I have to kill,
    it’s not a crime
    because I kill only
    to defend my rights
    as an American.
    My killing, then,
    is a good killing,
    an honorable killing,
    a moral killing.
    Therefore, nothing
    I do can ever be
    called wrong.
    I’m an American.
    I can do whatever
    I want, when I want,
    to whomever I want.
    Simple as that.


  67. In an era of austerity the saving of the licence fee which essentially is a tax on each household would be wildly popular.

  68. And just imagine, we have Chilcot to look forward to and wonder at the integrity of the judiciary and Privy Counsellors, too. Oh, what joy.

  69. “A bit of wishful thinking there, I’d say.”

    The wishful thinking is wishing that to be wishful thinking. I’ll admit that you might be safe for as long as you need to be, though. What a pity for our species.

    @april (the cruellest month)

    I once wrote a little computer program which could turn prose into poetry, or poetry into prose. It did it by removing line ends, or randomly inserting them. What you have there is prose with inserted line ends. Not bad prose, though. Here it is minus the affectation of short lines. I think it’s better.

    I’m an American. I can do whatever I want, when I want, to whomever I want. It’s God’s plan for America and for me. It’s in the Constitution, too. That’s how I know I’m superior to others, any others, anywhere. And if I have to kill, it’s not a crime because I kill only to defend my rights as an American. My killing, then, is a good killing, an honorable killing, a moral killing. Therefore, nothing I do can ever be called wrong. I’m an American. I can do whatever I want, when I want, to whomever I want. Simple as that.

  70. Man 1: I say, I say, I say, my dog’s got no nose.
    Man 2: No nose? How does he smell?
    Man 1: Terrible!
    Man 2: Ha ha ha!
    Habbabkuk: Excuse me, I don’t understand. You said originally he had no nose, surely that is an observation relating to the dog’s anatomy, and yet then you said he smelled terrible in the sense that the dog’s body odour was unpleasant. You seem to be confusing two entirely different meanings of the word ‘smell’. How sloppy of you, you are so lucky to have me here correcting your errors of speech, we speak the Queen’s English here don’t you know? What? What? Why are you all looking at me like that?
    Man 1 & 2 : Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
    Habbabkuk: La Vita È Bella! La Vita È Bella! La Vita È Bella….
    Man 1, 2 & everyone else on the Blog: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  71. when will bbc let the dumb viewers find out all of saviles crimes, even child murder. also why the police helped cover up his crimes. If you want to succeed in UK abduct children and hand them over to the elites for abuse or murder, then u will be protected by the BBC and judges and police.

  72. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 May, 2013 - 7:55 pm

    The Obsessive Poster, at 13h52, comments on James Purnell and supplies a couple of links.

    The O.P. starts off with :

    “Purnell So clean.

    Yes, I agree that Purnell’s ‘BBC declaration of personal interests form’ does seem very clean, nothing untoward there at all.

    I hope that the O.P. isn’t suggesting that Purnell lied on the form?


    Then the O.P. goes on to tell us about Purnell’s declared, remunerated activities while an MP from 2002, as follows :

    “cf as an MP 2002-10
    £40k pa from Open Left, donations from Policy Network, trips to Chile, Israel, Israel, Israel, Spain, India, writing for Serco, etc etc.”.

    Perhaps relying on most people not bothering to read through the link she provides, the Obsessive Poster omits to point out the following:

    1/. The job as Director of “Open Left” (£40k per annum) is from 2009 and not, as people might erroneously assume from the Obsessive Poster’s comment, from 2002;

    2/. The £1.685,82 Purnell earned on a number of occasions was for, each time, 64 hours of work. This translate into £26,34 per hour. Somewhat less than your friendly cash-in-hand plumber, painter or even gardener would charge you in the UK, unless I’m mistaken;

    3/. Purnell is recorded as having written once (repeat, once) for the villainous SERCO (£650). It appears that he has written more often for the Times and the Guardian and earned more by so doing;

    4/. Purnell has indeed visited democratic Chile, Portugal, Spain, India and Japan since 2002, for a variety of reasons;

    5/. His visits to ‘Israel’ took place between 2002 and 2004 and there do not seem to have been any visits since then. Furthermore – and again, something which the Obsessive Poster doesn’t see fit to share with us – all but one of those visits were “to Israel and the Palestinian Authority to meet members of the Israeli government,Palestinianb Authority and others”.


    All of which goes to show that the Obsessive Poster’s comments need to be looked at rather closely; although she doesn’t lie, she does tend to be rather selective in her presentation of the facts.

    But we knew that anyway, didn’t we.

  73. “There was no evidence provided. ”

    I did say they might have evidence they didn’t want to reveal, it does happen. Fact is at this stage we just don’t know and it’s not the job of reporters to speculate where there is no solid information. Yes I know the tabloid press does it all the time but it doesn’t help, does it?

  74. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 May, 2013 - 8:43 pm

    @ KingofWelshNoir :

    I didn’t know you’re a dog lover! That’s nice. I am too.

    But to business : I interpreted your “softly, softly..” bit as meaning that Craig will come round to believing that 9/11 was a put-up job.

    You are wrong, for the reason already given (Craig is controversial, as most of you Eminences try to be – but he is not a Nutter, which most of you are).

  75. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 May, 2013 - 8:54 pm

    @ Doug Scorgie (16h14) :

    You are truly your mother’s Son, aren’t you. Same selective, and incomplete, quoting, designed to give a misleading impression. Cf.:

    “Very interesting questioning of Hall and Patten

    Some good questions from Angie Bray:”

    Yes indeed, and if people can “be arsed” (your expression, Dougie) to read the transcript you kindly linked to, they will see that Hall’s replies were rather good too.

  76. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 8:57 pm

    The BBC is indeed a special place.

    James Purnell ‏@jimpurnell 14 Feb
    Thanks for the good wishes about the BBC. I feel very lucky to be going back. It’s a special and important place.

    Paul Franklin ‏@PaulJFranklin 14 Feb
    @jimpurnell congrats on the new job, James – definitely life changing!

    Simon McCoy Simon McCoy ‏@simonmccoy 14 Feb
    @jimpurnell Look forward to welcoming you! Good Luck!

    McCoy is a rather oleaginous presenter on BBC 24. Franklin is a film maker.

    If Purnell was an adviser on the recent political three parter The Politician’s Husband as I have read, was he paid extra?

    Quentin Letts wrote this in the Mail.

    ‘At the BBC, former Labour Cabinet minister James Purnell has been tossed a £295,000 job as ‘director, strategy and digital’. The BBC does not comprehend the whiffiness of an ex Broadcasting Minister being given such a well-paid job at the very organisation he once supervised.

    Nor does its new director-general, Lord Hall, accept that the BBC’s already patchy reputation for political objectivity is worsened by having a former Culture Secretary in its executive ranks. Cabinet experience was once reserved for non-executive BBC chairmen. Now it is in the very cockpit of day-to-day management.’

    How the Left’s grip on Britain is tightening, with ever more control over key public bodies since David Cameron came to power

  77. April Showers

    13 May, 2013 - 9:00 pm

    Sophie. Sorry to bother you but come quickly. Your Dad is back in the shed belting out the non-sequiturs. He is calling people strange names.

  78. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 May, 2013 - 9:00 pm

    @ the Obsessive Poster :

    It occurred to me that you’re rather obsessed about people visiting Israel.

    Just in the interests of transparency : have you ever visited Cuba, North Korea or China, or did you ever visit the former Soviet Union or any of the countries of the former Soviet bloc (pre-1990)?

  79. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 May, 2013 - 9:05 pm

    Ah, so the Obsessive Poster now quotes, with seeming approval, Quentin Letts writing in the Daily Mail (20h57).

    Quentin Letts and April Showers – strange bedfellows indeed!

  80. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 May, 2013 - 9:13 pm

    More strange bedfellows :

    Doug Scorgie (16h14) and Conservative MP Angie Bray (read her bio on Wikipedia).

    What on earth is going on here?

  81. Craig has touched a sensitive spot for me and, I suspect, many others. There are things the BBC does well. Not just (in the past) Andrew Gilligan but many programmes that make us better informed and allow for attention undivided by advertisements [except, I admit, for the BBC’s own plugs]. I would be loth to lose “In Our Time”, “More or Less” or “Private Passions” – all radio rather than TV.

    There’s one ad hominem counter-argument: which government is likely to get rid of the BBC Licence Fee? That may be just a variant of the morally suspect argument: “My enemy’s enemy is my friend”. However, it leads to my skepticism about who is going to introduce Craig’s legislation on media control that really has teeth.

    So, my vote goes for the government that is prepared to legislate for media diversity. Only then let’s look at the role of the BBC and the license fee. Meanwhile, it remains true that a BBC that employs James Parnell is an organization that has lost its moral/political compass.

  82. I haven’t had a TV since the days of the miners strike. I refuse to pay a license fee to subsidise government propoganda.

  83. I’m reminded of the story of the old lady who rang the hotel reception and complained she could see a naked man in the building opposite her room. The manager went and looked out of the window but couldn’t see anything. “You have to stand on the chair” said the old lady.

    I don’t have a TV, don’t pay a license fee. Others can do as they wish, wouldn’t want to go banning things to impose my values on others.

    The BBC is pro establishment, always has been, everyone with an ounce of sense knows that, every other media outlet is biased as well. People have the right to choose whichever bias they want.

  84. ” That attack was so shocking it reintroduced a significant proportion of the British student population to the idea of radical politics.”

    Well I might have been one of them; after Cast Lead I went from mildly pro-Israeli to staunchly against almost overnight, but the BBC seems to attract criticism from both sides accusing it of supporting the other side, so I suppose it has it about right. And none of you ever mentions Jeremy Bowen, who is most obviously pro-Palestinian.

  85. Sophie Habbercake

    13 May, 2013 - 10:38 pm


    You seem to be very excited on this thread. Gary says if you were a proper entertainer you would introduce a bit of variety into your act.

    You know, after two weeks on the run I had been thinking, despite all that mad stuff you write, you must be quite bright to have evaded your persuers all this time.

    But now I’m beginning to wonder did they catch you after all? Are your continued postings just part of some obscure therapy / re-education program? Will they slowly start to make sense as you return to earth or are you forever stuck, obsessively spewing them out?

    I’m still waiting for someone to explain to us how, after reading one of you posts, they were able to understand an issue just a little bit better.

    You know all these patronising,and increasingly batty lectures are a pretty good indicator of which posts deserve the most attention. Maybe you have some value after all. Thanks.

  86. Just to expand, you people want the BBC to be 100% critical of Israel, just as you want it to absolutely conform with your views on everything else, else it be deemed “Zionist”, “fascist”, etc. But the BBC has a duty to report different viewpoints, which I think it does quite well with regard to Israel/Palestine, though manifestly not so well some other more pressing concerns of the British public.

  87. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    13 May, 2013 - 11:00 pm

    “Comrades, it is time to burn down the business schools….”

    Don’t forget Law Schools, Komo, cuz the first thing we do……….

  88. English Knight

    13 May, 2013 - 11:26 pm

    Yes its time again to send birthday greetings and felicitations to sewage satanyahu, all his fans may click link below:-


  89. @ Giles who says “Just to expand, you people want the BBC to be 100% critical of Israel, just as you want it to absolutely conform with your views on everything else, else it be deemed “Zionist”, “fascist”, etc. But the BBC has a duty to report different viewpoints, which I think it does quite well with regard to Israel/Palestine, though manifestly not so well some other more pressing concerns of the British public.”

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but I just want the BBC to show some impartiality in regards to the Zionist entity. Just broadcasting a few different viewpoints everyone and again does not EQUAL impartiality.

    Some may remember Jeremy Bowen getting his fingers wrapped for telling the truth about Israel following the ear bashing the Zionists gave the BBC.

    The excellent Katya Adler ( who is Jewish ) tried to be impartial and even reported on the fact that Israeli schools show maps with the whole of Palestine as Israel. Katya Adler has since been ‘moved on’ from Palestine reporting duties

    Not only has the BBC now employed the Zionist tool, James Purnell as head of strategy and Digital, it’s also appointed the staunch Zionist Ceri Thomas has been appointed to BBC head of programming.

    In his last full year as editor of Today, Thomas presided over a program that interviewed a senior Israeli politician or ambassador on average once every two months. Interviewees included Danny Ayalon, then Israel’s deputy foreign minister, and Tzipi Livni, an architect of the 2008-‘09 Gaza massacre.

    During the same period, not a single Palestinian leader or spokesperson was accorded a similar honor. There was no serious recognition, under Thomas’ reign at Today, of the Palestinian viewpoint

    And then of course there’s Zionist James Harding’s appointment as the BBC’s new director of news and current affairs. In 2011, Harding spoke at a media event organized by The Jewish Chronicle, telling his audience: “I am pro-Israel. I believe in the State of Israel. I would have had a real problem if I had been coming to a paper [The Times] with a history of being anti-Israel. And, of course, Rupert Murdoch is pro-Israel.”

    It’s getting worse. The BBC don’t even try and claim impartiality any more.

    Chris Patten, currently chairman of the BBC Trust and Chancellor of the University of Oxford was asked by Stephen Sackur on Hardtalk last week if he was comfortable with appointment of the pro-Zionist state man James Harding.

    Not surprisingly Patten just brushed it off as being no problem.

  90. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 May, 2013 - 11:29 pm

    @ Sophie :

    “Maybe you have some value after all.”


    But of course I do, Sophie. After all, if I’m your father then I created you, didn’t I.

    Without me, there would be no you and this blog would not have the pleasure of reading you from time to time.

  91. karel (a conspiracy a day keeps idiocy away

    13 May, 2013 - 11:45 pm


    I entirely agree with kempe that “many people complain about the BBC’s anti-Israeli bias” Although I cannot afford watching television, I usually send a letter or two every week to the BBc comptroler complaining about the antisemitic accent of some of their commentaries and occasionally reprimand them for neglecting to broadcast great thoughts voiced in the glorious past by our statesmen. The lonely voice of Churchill, brutally silenced on innumerable occasions for displaying the great courage to state that “I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place,” –Speech to the Peel Commission (1937). For those unfamiliar with the issue, may I point out that palestinians are the dogs Churchill talked about.

  92. Sophie Habbercake

    13 May, 2013 - 11:46 pm


    Just use your brain for a moment. Mum was far too smart for someone like you EVER to be my father.

  93. and researching the life and political thought of 19th-century South American revolutionary Simón Bolívar .

  94. Another thing that highly annoys me about the BBC ( Apart from Nicholas Witchell constantly masturbating himself silly over the Royals, even though said Royals hate him ) is it’s nauseous sycophancy with the USA.

    Someone gets a speeding ticket in America and the BBC is full on breaking news!!, wall to wall 24-7 coverage with the obligatory multi-personal press conferences featuring 20 minute slots from everyone from the State Governor right down to a local hobo who witnessed the offence.

  95. As a ps. Radio 3 is crap as well. An expensive fig-leaf for this odious operation. R3 lost its way years ago. Lousy programming, lousy sound – tiny audiences too for whom they have little but contempt.

    Proms are fun but hardly a duty of the licence-payer to the tune (sic) of millions.

    All a jolly for BBC apparatchiks.

  96. “Another thing that highly annoys me about the BBC ( Apart from Nicholas Witchell constantly masturbating himself silly over the Royals, even though said Royals hate him ) is it’s nauseous sycophancy with the USA.”

    So don’t watch it.

    Was a time the BBC was all we had, then they played “God Save the Queen” and you watched a white dot disappear into the middle of the screen.

    Now there are more TV and radio stations than you can shake a stick at and the internet as well I don’t see what the problem is. Press TV is good though they too seem obsessed with the USA, then there is RT but they seem to have a lot of content America related. Al Jazeera is a little biased in my opinion and seem to focus on American matters. There are many more out there though, the list of stations is a long one, you can take your pick of the TV stations talking about America. Hell these days you can even set up your own internet TV, there are loads of people sitting there talking about America from their own bedrooms and broadcasting to the world.

  97. Thanks for this blog post Craig Murray.

    The BBC is unashamedly pro-Israeli, revoltingly so. Manufactured complaints of anti-Israel bias are from insincere, astro-turf fantasy merchants, peddlars of wind and piss. Purnell and the like are at root treasonous agents of a foreign power, despoling and undermining this country and its people wherever and whenever they possibly can, with no fear of anything arresting their depradations, they’re entirely up-front about it, know they’re protected all the way to the 1st class carriages of the gravy train.

    Claims also that the BBC is ‘too left wing’ from the usual mouthy suspects on the right, do not stand the least scrutiny as the BBC has backed to the hilt the right-wing economic agenda pursued by Thatcher and Blair and their emulators, helped plunge a murderous weapon of unspeakable pain and cruelty, killing lives and killing hope, into the hearts of the poorest, weakest and most vulnerable in this country. Helping out our home-grown resident psychopaths in office is not nearly enough for the initiates and priesthood of the cult of the BBC, they’ve consistently backed some of the world’s most infamous despots too.

    The BBC does not receive ‘complaints’ from the right and from pro-Israel Quislings, it self-censors, anticipating their bizarre demands, it receives its orders and counts as its only friends those same bankers and genocidaires, hasbarists and sayanim who make these token substance-free complaints. Of course it ought to be unmasking and ostracising them, calling for their arrest and speedy trial on charges from blackmail to murder. If it suspended all further planned programming and simply reported 24/7 for the next ten years, the facts and the truth – on the rightward lurch in this country they have helped facilitate and the criminally insane nature of the Israeli, US and UK regimes – it could not in that time redress the imbalance in its output, or atone for the damage they have done. We must add to that damage the gulf between present circumstances and the potential outcome – what could have been, the positive results – if it had simply done a half decent job of things instead of being fully complicit in such epic crimes as we have all witnessed. We’ve now passed from despair and shock to a virtuous, righteous clamour to retaliate and avenge.

    The BBC is guilty as charged in the court of public opinion. Sentence is flogging.

    A referendum on its abolition, implicitly scrapping the absurd licence-fee, would not only demand its demise but would swell the polls, re-invigorating political participation.

    In the meantime, mass licence-fee refusal, bringing down (in)Justice system is indicated.

    We revolt tonight!

  98. The revolt is postoned till tomorrow night, President Fred has just had his hair done.

  99. Fred: “Al Jazeera is a little biased in my opinion and seem to focus on American matters.”

    Al Jazeera IS the BBC, near as dammit. It is staffed by ex BBC world service journalists:

    “The channel began broadcasting in late 1996, with many staff joining from the BBC World Service’s Saudi-co-owned Arabic language TV station, which had shut down in 1 April 1996 after two years of operation because of censorship demands by the Saudi Arabian government.”

    It launched with David Frost interviewing Tony Blair!!!

    Unlike Press TV, I don’t think we’ll wake up to find Al Jazeera banned from the British airwaves any time soon

  100. Iain and all

    Look, the BBC doesn’t produce the occasional informative laudable programming because it is the BBC. I claimed gravitas, I think it can be said of the modern era that the the BBC produces the occasional informative laudable programming in spite of it coming through the BBC.

    It is just silly to believe that the staunchly pro-Zionist BBC were to be deservedly abandoned then that would be the end of intellectually worthy programming (or even some entertainment) as we know it.

    There are many ways in which such programming can come about.

    Channel 4 has a history of decent programming peppered amongst the Brookside dross. PBS and Frontline in the USSA often achieve this too.

    I think the common thread here is that when INDEPENDENT producers are involved then the ‘worthiness’ of programming shoots up. Same is so of the BBC, it is usually the independently minded employees (the small number thereof) that give output with the sheen of quality.

    So some on, stop all this sentimental garbage. ITV also made the odd but of decent programming too.

  101. “The revolt is postoned till tomorrow night, President Fred has just had his hair done.”

    So name a better or less biased broadcaster.

  102. “Channel 4 has a history of decent programming peppered amongst the Brookside dross. PBS and Frontline in the USSA often achieve this too.”

    After the Great Global Warming Swindle I don’t think there can be any doubt who’s pocket they are in.

    Power of Nightmares was a pretty good documentary.

  103. A Node, and it’s not just Press TV that’s banned. Russia Today is available on Freeview, but not available from any Virgin service provider. Users generally only learn this after they have signed up to a Virgin package. It is causing some discontent. So much for Branson’s belief in free enterprise.


  104. April Showers

    14 May, 2013 - 8:18 am

    ZBC are patting themselves on the back this morning having won a raft of Sony Radio Awards last night at the Grosvenor House Hotel hosted by Chris Evans. The list includes Radio 4 Today and Ceri Thomas as director news, John Humphreys for his Entwistle interview. Radio 5 Live, PM and Eddie Mair, Limp Ics coverage etc etc.

    Categories and winners here, and gold, silver and bronze in each category. Just the same format as the Limp Ics in fact!

    Champagne all round chaps. Chris Evans won an award too, bronze in Breakfast show of the year.


  105. O/T, sorry, but this is deeply disturbing. I’ve condensed it a bit, the writer is somewhat intoxicated with the exuberance of his own verbosity-


    A week ago, I mentioned very briefly that small businesses in Greece are to be taxed based on estimated income…..What’s been emerging gradually over the last few days is that ‘estimation’ is the wrong word here: if the electricity company estimates your bill and by next April you’ve overpaid hugely, you can get a refund.

    The new idea from the department of Finance Minister Yannis Stournaras isn’t going to work like that. It’s not an estimation, its an assertive assumption that transubstantiates – having been made flesh in the new tax law – as fact, and thus a sum you must pay. As you almost certainly don’t have the cash to pay it, well….er, you can see where this is going can’t you? I mean, you’re not on the streets are you?…

    …(but (-K))… it isn’t just for (businesses (-K), it’s for live people too. To be precise, everyone… As from now, millions of Greek taxpayers will be called upon to cough up even if they have no income, but they are alive and have a home to live in.

    It’s the legalisation of asset seizure, pure and simple. It is the assumption that you are a tax evader, and therefore a suitable case for sequestration. It is, in a nutshell, the new test-method for stealing. We’ve had the depositor haircut. We’ve had the secret raids on pension and assurance funds direct from the suppliers. Now we have the creation of fantasy criminals who must of course be punished, and their assets taken in lieu…

  106. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 May, 2013 - 9:09 am

    One of the things that mildly interesting about this blog is the way in which certain commenters work themselves up into tiny rages about various issues, giving the strong impression that they have just discovered, and succeeded in exposing, something brand new which nobody’s spotted before and which therefore constitutes a ‘scoop’.

    This applies very much to much (but not all) of the commentary here on the BBC.

    Lord Reith’s autobiography – probably published before most of you lot were born – makes the point that “Broadcasting has for long been recognised as an estate of the realm”. In a letter to Stanley Baldwin at the time of the general strike, he wrote “Assuming the BBC is for the people and that the Government is for the people, it follows that the BBC must be for the government in this crisis too”.

    Malcolm Muggeridge once wrote that the BBC “came to pass silently, invisibly; like a coral reef, cells multiplying, until it was a vast structure, a conglomeration of studios, offices, cool passages along which many passed too and fro; a society, with its kings, lords and commoners, its laws and dossiers and revenue and easily suppressed insurrection”. And he wrote of the BBC’s “gentle persuasion, patiently wearing away angular opinions; loke waves on a beach, ebbing and flowing, transforming rocks and stones into smooth round pebbles, all alike…”. Sounds familiar?

    Even more balanced commenters than the denizens of this blog make the mistake of thinking that the BBC only starting going in what they consider to be the wrong direction 5 or 10 or 20 years ago; this is because they assumed that the ‘opening up’ of the BBC to mocking satire, ‘gritty’ dramas and general irreverence and an apparently more direct style of questioning public figures starting in the 1960s marked a new, freer, more independent and more investigative ethos rather than just being a superficial response to the cultural and societal revolution which started in that decade. The period of say 1963-1983 should not be seen as a turning point but merely as a blip in a continuum stretching from the founding of the BBC up to, and including, the present day.

    So now that you’ve seen that all this of which you complain is not new, may I invite you all – to use the words David Cameron used to Angela Eagle – to “calm down, dear(s)”.

  107. Sophie Habbercake

    14 May, 2013 - 10:14 am

    Pay attention now children. You’ve gone and irritated Dad now and he won’t stand for it. He’ll club you to death with clever condescension. You must stop all that thinking and holding of silly attitudes. Observe how such trivia as evidence, information and rationality turn to vapour in the merciless light of Dad’s colossal intellect.

    Just stop all that thinking right now.

  108. One of the thing’s that mildly interesting… (sic)

    Tell him.

  109. Sophie Habbercake

    14 May, 2013 - 10:36 am

    Mr Komodo.

    Only one thing sic on this blog……

  110. ‘I’m still waiting for someone to explain to us how, after reading one of you posts, they were able to understand an issue just a little bit better.’

    Sophie, you’re so straight and laced-up. I know it must have been hard being brought up by an self-on-message-opinionated, Thatcher-radical-reactionary-progressive,waccy-baccy-back-packing, doggy-do-art-loving, freedom-of-expression-not, product-of -the-’60’s, but-loving-parent-figure, if-not-exactly-dad.

    Rebel as much as you like, we enjoy his contributions and we recognise in a way you may not that there isn’t much freedom of expression in a kibbutz.

  111. “Channel 4 has a history of decent programming. ”

    History being the operative word. It doesn’t produce much decent stuff now.

  112. How much does anyone really learn from watching the bbc, or Sky, or listening to the radio, or reading a newspaper? I begin to suspect that you learn very little indeed; it’s all just entertainment, and only the surface of issues is really possible, within the constraints of each medium. I also suspect that what you un-learn is far more important …

    Basically, if one wishes to learn something, one may read a book, or perhaps watch a doco, or absorb a few articles from the internets – wiki is, for its faults, a very good reference site, on many issues. But mainstream media? Simply not worth bothering with – other than as fun, or as a study in communications and propaganda. And Habawhatsisname might, for once, have a point – why is anyone surprised?

    The bbc is what it is. I suppose I’m obligated to say there are good journalists out there – and there are – but does this really matter? There are probably good journalist working on The Daily Mail – but it’s still a Hitler supporting, poor bashing, vaguely racist rag, owned by a fully paid up member of the bastard class.

    As it goes, I’m reading McMafia. Very good. Excellent roll call of scumbags, not a few of whom have made cameo appearances in Craig’s blog. I’ll read that, and avoid the bbc, I think.

  113. There is only one news/current affairs programe worth watching and that is the UK Column Live. Time for your wake-up call folks.


  114. One of the things that mildly interesting (sic)…is the ability of some posters rapidly to edit their posts, or have them edited (see mine @ 1021, cut & paste from HBCK’s original attempt @ 0909), and still get it wrong.

    How is that done, please?

  115. technicolour

    14 May, 2013 - 1:17 pm


  116. Pardon my ignorance, but does anyone actually need at TV these days when you can download anything you want to see. It’s so easy to avoid the mainstream media altogether.

  117. “radically tough regulations restricting the percentage of the market any owner can have”

    When have they ever worked then?

  118. Habbabkuk


    In a departure from your usual habit of carping, hectoring, badgering, nit-picking and generalised obfuscation you actually post something cogent. It even has something identifiable as a point. More surprisingly, the point has merit. What a shame you spoiled it by littering your piece with so many schoolboy errors of grammar and style. I wouldn’t normally worry about such things, but since you spend most of your time on this blog complaining about the mote in your brother’s eye while considering not the beam in thine own, I thought I would set the record straight.

    A selection:

    One of the things that mildly interesting…
    along which many passed too and fro…

    Even more balanced commenters than the denizens of this blog make the mistake… This seems to be saying the commenters on this blog are balanced, which I suspect is not the point you intended.

    the mistake of thinking that the BBC only starting going…


    Go and stand in the corner.

  119. @Summerhead

    “Surely this is all academic. I suspect there’s going to be a sharp fall off of people paying the licence fee due to the rapidly increasing use of internet streaming to watch programmes. Look around at how many people are glued to their smart phones. Conventional TV is in its twilight years along with any luck the corporate news media.”

    Interesting. So if you stream to your phone/computer you don’t need a licence? Whilst its currently true that you don’t need a licence if you watch content that isn’t being streamed live I would count on this being the case going forward.

    If its deemed necessary that the BBC survive with licence fee based funding it wouldn’t be difficult, given appropriate legislation, for devices to be tracked back to individuals, and households, and a check run to see if there was a valid licence covering the viewing/listening.

    Looking more generally I’m concerned at the desire to throw the baby out with the bathwater for what are issues with the current incumbents of posts within the BBC. Those people will not be there forever and it would be better to reform than scrap and watch commercial organisations cherry pick the profitable parts of the current BBC.

  120. Truth John Goss becomes rarefied in an atmosphere of deception the West uses to gain false superiority and benefit in a bipolar world.

    The acquirement to annul Russian support in Syria by any means including mass murder to support the UK political contention that a NATO strike on Syria would have enacted regime change in that sovereign state without excessive blood-shed, destruction and displacement, has meant taking risks such as exposure.

    It is exposure that has confirmed US attempts to subvert Russian citizens with access to intelligence in an attempt to bribe Russia with powder keg diplomacy into a compromise on the ultimate subjugation of the Syrian peoples.


    Read how the Guardian/BBC presents this exposure to a deluded British audience.


  121. April Showers

    14 May, 2013 - 2:20 pm

    Also time to abolish the Murdoch slime.

    ‘A Sun journalist, Clodagh Hartley, an HMRC press officer Jonathan Hall and his partner Marta Bukarewicz to be charged with conspiracy to commit misconduct in public office.’

    I assume that means the Sun paid Hall and partner for info.

  122. April Showers

    14 May, 2013 - 2:39 pm

    Back to 1927 and the days of the wet battery operated ‘wireless’ sets and before that the cat’s whiskers…..

    The coat of arms of the BBC was adopted in March 1927 to represent the purpose and values of the corporation.
    ‘Nation shall speak peace unto nation’.

    The idealistic BBC motto is most likely based on biblical verses from the Book of Micah and the Book of Isaiah: “Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore. [1] In 1934 the motto was changed to “Quaecunque”, meaning “Whatsoever”. This was inspired by St Paul’s Epistle to the Philippians 4:8:[1]


    English (King James Bible):

    Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

    This inspired the dedication that appears in the entrance hall of Broadcasting House:[4]



    This Temple is dedicated to the Arts and Muses by the first Governors of Broadcasting in the year 1931, Sir John Reith being Director-General. It is their prayer that good seed sown may bring forth a good harvest, that all things hostile to peace or purity may be banished from this house, and that the people, inclining their ear to whatsoever things are beautiful and honest and of good report, may tread the path of wisdom and uprightness.

    in 1948[1] the motto reverted to the original.



    1922 to 1939

    The privately owned BBC was the world’s first national broadcasting organisation.[13] It was founded on 18 October 1922 as the British Broadcasting Company Ltd[14] by the British General Post Office (GPO) and a group of six telecommunications companies—Marconi, Radio Communication Company, Metropolitan-Vickers (MetroVick), General Electric, Western Electric, and British Thomson-Houston (BTH)[15]—to broadcast experimental radio services. The first transmission was on 14 November of that year, from station 2LO, located at Marconi House, London. That year its founder John Reith[16] became its first general manager.[17]

    In 1923, the Sykes Committee rejected advertising for the service as it would lower standards, and recommended that a 10 shillings licence fee fund broadcasts. To avoid competition with newspapers, Fleet Street persuaded the government to ban news programmes until 7 pm, and the BBC could only use news from wire services instead of reporting its own. By 1925, the BBC reached about 80% of Britons through a network of regional and relay stations. While regional stations at first offered many local programmes, by 1930 the National Programme from London, and a Regional Programme from London and several regional cities, replaced local radio.[18]


    I trust that the Sykes referred to above has no connection to the Sykes of Sykes-Picot who started the sell out of the Palestinians.

    British-Zionist discussions during the negotiations [edit]

    Following the outbreak of World War I, Zionism was first discussed at a British Cabinet level on 9 November 1914, four days after Britain’s declaration of war on the Ottoman Empire. At a Cabinet meeting David Lloyd George, Chancellor of the Exchequer, “referred to the ultimate destiny of Palestine.”[7][8] Lloyd George’s law firm Lloyd George, Roberts and Co had been engaged a decade before by the Zionists to work on the British Uganda Programme.[9] In a discussion after the meeting with fellow Zionist Herbert Samuel, who had a seat in the Cabinet as President of the Local Government Board, Lloyd George assured him that “he was very keen to see a Jewish state established in Palestine.”[7][10] Samuel then outlined the Zionist position more fully in a conversation with Foreign Secretary Edward Grey. He spoke of Zionist aspirations for the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish state, and of the importance of its geographical position to the British Empire.


    It was ever thus.

  123. I trust that the Sykes referred to above has no connection to the Sykes of Sykes-Picot who started the sell out of the Palestinians.

    Your trust is well-founded. Sir Mark Sykes (of Sykes-Picot) died of influenza in 1919. The Sykes-Picot agreement had nothing to do with a Zionist Israel – it was the Balfour Declaration which gave that one wings, and not until after WW2. Lloyd George’s intriguing on the subject is well known, of course.

  124. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 May, 2013 - 3:19 pm

    @ KingofWelshNoir :

    No, I don’t think my point was spoilt at all. But more important was the recommendation with which I ended it. So, dear : have you calmed down?


    Quite interesting btw that the Obsessive Poster (14h39) gives out great chunks of history (lifted from various websites) so soon after I quoted from material written in the 1930s. One might almost get the impression that the Obsessive Poster, perhaps because of her advanced age, wishes to emphasise her (self-created, of course) rôle as this blog’s ‘historian’ of the first half of C20. How else to explain this outpouring of ‘knowledge’, which is scarcely irrelevant to the main thrust of this thread?

  125. “The City of London and the Offshore sector – The Enemy Within”


  126. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 May, 2013 - 3:34 pm

    The Obsessive Poster thunders, at 14h20 :

    “Also time to abolish the Murdoch slime.”


    Now, if that had been posted by Uncle Joe Stalin, one would have no difficulty in imagining how this recommendation would have been effected: a quick bullet through the back of several heads.

    But, on the assumption that the Obsessive Poster is of a milder disposition that the said great Father of the People, one might be forgiven for wondering how exactly she would give effect to this recommendation.

    (As the Obsessive Poster tends to be short on practical details, I should of course have no objection if the Eminences were to answer on her behalf)

  127. @HBCK and Mary –
    Get a bloody room.

  128. April Showers

    14 May, 2013 - 4:11 pm

    Sophie. The Shed.

    The RI post at 9.09 was patronising, condescending and sexist. Calm down dear! is not an admonition that would be directed to a male and when Agent Cameron used it, he was rightfully widely criticized. I think the Old Etonian thought it was funny.

    I see he is strolling around Boston today upping the ‘we must fight terrorism’ message and P Harry is visiting New Jersey to see the effects of Hurricane Sandy. The soldier prince should know that we haven’t seen anything yet as the full effects of climate change are seen and felt.

    What have Obama and Cameron got to say about the latest rebel obscenity reported from Syria today in the light of their replies at the press conference yesterday when they reinforced their determination to get rid of Assad, ie regime change.

    Syria conflict: Cameron and Obama pledge to boost opposition

  129. April Showers

    14 May, 2013 - 4:19 pm

    Murdoch again.

    May 14th, 2013 in Israel

    Murdoch and Netanyahu make love so please don’t interrupt

    Care to imag­ine what an ed­i­to­r­ial meet­ing is like at Ru­pert Mur­doch’s Aus­tralian? No, me nei­ther – “look, over there, a Mus­lim coun­try the West hasn’t bombed, let’s fix that im­me­di­ately!” – but there’s a weird ob­ses­sion over sup­port­ing the Is­raeli gov­ern­ment. There’s a di­rect line from the Is­raeli PR de­part­ment to the writ­ers at the Mur­doch organ and don’t they milk it for all it’s worth? It’s not about in­tel­lec­tual rigour or facts but blind ide­ol­ogy. From com­ments about how Pales­tini­ans and crit­ics should be grate­ful for Is­rael to today three ar­ti­cles that all tackle BDS, Pales­tine, human rights, anti-Semi­tism, TER­ROR­ISM, ice-cream and pan­das.


    Antony Loewenstein is a Sydney-based independent freelance journalist, author, documentarian, photographer and blogger.[..]
    His best-selling book on the Israel/Palestine conflict, My Israel Question, was released by Melbourne University Publishing in 2006. A new, updated edition was released in 2007 (and reprinted again in 2008). The book was short-listed for the 2007 New South Wales Premier’s Literary Award. Another fully updated, third edition was published in 2009. It was released in all e-book formats in 2011. An updated and translated edition was published in Arabic in 2012 and soon in Indonesia.[..]

    He was a contributor to the 2008 Verso Books release, A Time to Speak Out: On Israel, Zionism and Jewish Identity.

    contd. http://antonyloewenstein.com/bio/

  130. But Habbabkuk (9:09am), you underestimate the matter. The Sheeple cannot see what the BBC has become, namely:

    The Goebbels Broadcasting Corporation (GBC) (also known as the Zionist Broadcasting Entity (ZBE)).

    That’s right, this extreme right-wing organization is beaming Nazi propaganda directly into your home and turning your children into little goose-stepping fascist warmongers and mini-Hitlers who will all do Aliyah and bulldoze Palestinian homes for fun.

    For example, as of 07:48 this morning I heard no mention of the Plight of the Palestinians from any of the BBC’s propaganda channels, proving without doubt that it is Zionist controlled. By the same time I heard two mentions of UKIP, meaning that the BBC is more concerned with promoting racism than it is with justice for the Palestinians. I despair that I live in such a truly sick country in which promoting racism and fascism is more important than the killing of innocents.

    Likewise, I heard North Korea described as a “brutal regime” with no accompanying description of Britain as a fascist state, which would be balanced, if unfair on North Korea.

    The trouble is the Truth has been Suppressed and the Goyim are so blinded by property porn that it takes us here at Craig’s blog to show them that they are the unwitting slaves of Isra(h)el(l). As we are significantly more perceptive than them, we are able to discern that the GBC is really a mouthpiece for the Zionist Occupation Government (ZOG) and is controlled by Benjamin Netanyahu himself. The licence fee goes into a huge slush fund in Tel Aviv which is used for perpetrating False Flag attacks that will enable Israel to take over the last remaining parts of the world that are not yet fully under Zionist control (central Borneo and parts of the Sahara). Needless to say you will not read about this in any of your Official Narratives because they are all written by Known Zionists and therefore apologists for Nazism.

    The Olympics was Fascist until they did that bit about the NHS and then it was actually alright.

    The ONLY way out is to turn over to RT and discover the Truth, or if it has been taken over by Zionist Infiltrators then head for the MediaLens Message Boards, where hasbara has not yet taken hold. I have doubts about Craig because he believes some northerners can’t speak properly and that makes him a Fascist and probably a Zionist.

    Life is not good, it’s bloody miserable living in a Fascist State.

  131. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 May, 2013 - 4:30 pm

    @ Komodo at 08h49 (on the Greek tax measures) :

    I feel that in your excitement (or perhaps rather in your source’s excitement) certain points have been overlooked. Let me set out the essential ones in condensed form.

    The Greek tax base, and therefore potential govt. revenue, was sufficient to cover even the profligate spending of the last decade or two – provided, however, that the taxes due were actually paid and collected. It is generally recognised (including by the Greek govt.) that this has not been the case. To be noted that this problem originates not from the class of humble office or factory workers but in the main from the numerous professional classes (doctors, lawyers, notaries, pharmacists, etc) and from the vast army of the self-employed (shopkeepers, artisans, restaurant owners,the self-employed and small business people more generally). The example which hit the headlines a year or so ago was that of doctors (mainly specialists) with their practices in the affluent area of central Athens called Kolonaki, who were found to have been declaring annual incomes of as low as €12.000 (€1000 a month).
    So, the govt. has adopted a rather more muscular approach, based on the not unreasonable assumption that undeclared income will, in part at least, not be banked but put into consumer goods – first and foremost property and land but also items such as expensive cars, yachts, swimming pools and so on. Henceforth,therefore, income will be more closely looked at in connection with lifestyle: to revert to the example of the Kolonaki doctor, if he or she owns a Mercedes, a yeacht and an expensive house with swimming pool in an expensive suburb of Athens, a declaration of income of €1.000 a month is likely to be looked at with some scepticism and the individual will be assessed for incpme tax purposes as earning an amount commensurate with his observed life style and, equally importantly, with what a moderately successful doctor in private practice could be reasonably assumed to be earning (and that is quite a bit, believe me). Idem for the other categories of taxpayers I mentioned earlier on.
    It’s also worth pointing out that the (relatively) new property tax – based on the zone in which the property is located, its surface area in square metres and its age – also takes as its starting point the assumptions (both largely correct) that this tax is easier to collect than income tax (the tax comes as part of the elctricity bill) and that much undeclared income has been sunk into property.

    Both this new departure in assessment and the (relatively) new property tax are perhaps to an extent blunt instruments and there will certainly be some cases of unjustified hardship. But it is somewhat misleading to say, as Komodo’s source apparently does, that “As you almost certainly don’t have the cash to pay it,…”, or “millions of Greek taxpayers will be called upon to cough up even if they have no income,…, or “It’s the legalisation of asset seizure, pure and simple…”.

    Finally, I should say that all of this is not even unique to Greece. Given the extent of tax fraud by the self-employed, professional and small businesses, various other European countries also know the techniques of asset examination /evaluation for the purpose of determining income and the so-called “méthode forfaitaire”.

    Hope this was of interest.

  132. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 May, 2013 - 4:36 pm

    @ the Obsessive Poster :

    “The RI post at 9.09 was patronising, condescending and sexist. Calm down dear! is not an admonition that would be directed to a male and when Agent Cameron used it, he was rightfully widely criticized. I think the Old Etonian thought it was funny.”
    Your comment is both wrong and inaccurate :

    1/. When I used the expression in a previous post of mine I directed it at all the Eminences, both female and male;

    2/. Although not an Old Etonian myself (I went to a much classier establishment) I thought it was hilarious as well. The look on Angela Eagle’s face – she of the synthetic, New Labour indignation – was worth a thousand pounds.

  133. “Scarcely irrelevant” – ‘Obama Nation’ – a global awareness rap for young blood.


    Respect sister.

  134. Referring to a woman as “dear” is sexist, misogynistic, gender-based discrimination and has no place in a progressive society. “Old bat” would be better.

  135. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 May, 2013 - 4:47 pm

    @ Giles :

    Well, your post of 16h26 – for which I thank you – was a tour de force (Sophie, please note and learn!) and showed that it is possible to learn something useful and of interest, even if rarely, while wading through the sea of bilge that this thread had become.

    Now I understand why I was trying to grow that comical little moustache and why my right arm keeps jerking upwards into a horizontal position! There I was, thinking it was something neurological – or worse – while all the time it was just me trying to get into the BBC ethos!

    More power to your arm, Giles, and I look forward to reading more from you!

  136. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 May, 2013 - 4:53 pm

    @ the Obsessive Poster:

    “Murdoch and Netanyahu make love so please don’t interrupt”


    That was a deplorable comment, almost on a par with mine about Quentin Letts and April Showers being strange bedfellows indeed.

    We should both be ashamed with ourselves!

  137. Greece has spent something like 30 billion euros on the never-never, on arms from Germany and France, a large component of this is for fighter-bomber planes from the French.

    Abolish, demolish whatever, the BBC. I certainly don’t have a smartphone, have never owned a mobile phone of any sort and never will, my web browser doesn’t work with any of their online content and I never visit their site, not even in error as now all *bbc.co.uk domains are electively blocked. I might download the odd time-shifted BBC radio program from usenet.

    There is a clear difference, between the BBC and commercial media, the Beeb do not have the excuse of being subject to pressure from advertisers or competition for advertising revenue. But the editorial line and output is as exactly the same as if it were.

    They are a government mouthpiece, funded by an extortion racket, becoming ever more strident and malign with every day, as the government itself descends into outright in-your-face fascist corporatism. It would be better they were just another siren voice encouraging us all to consume useless junk we can’t afford, accelerating irreversible contamination and desertification of the environment, demonising the enemy of the day and cheerleading for the death and destruction they glorify; their present position is dishonest, criminal.

    See the Medialens article on ‘synchronised metronomes’ which I can’t find any more.

    I think a quote describing the American press, from Blogger Dave McGowan is apposite:

    “Certainly no one is suggesting any malice here. We are all adults and we all know that the price we have to pay for having a ‘free press’ is that sometimes every single media outlet in the country – in print, on television and on the radio – mistakenly spend several days loudly and repeatedly broadcasting the same made-up stories.”

  138. If the BBC is to be broken up, would it be replaced with a world centralised broadcasting station.
    English being the common language, the Beeb is more likely to morph into something impressively Global.

    This being so-our new World Service can keep us fully informed on all our cohesive fundamental actions neccersary to keep restraint on global discontent;
    From “seed to sunshine”.

    Obviously in conjunction with our Global market enforcers’.

    How’s your local policie’s Nevermind?

  139. April Showers

    14 May, 2013 - 6:20 pm

    We will honour you as a journalist if you are not Palestinian.
    Buckling to Bigotry: The Newseum Dishonors Murdered Palestinian Journalists

    by Nima Shirazi / May 14th, 2013

    Just two days before Palestinians commemorate the 65th anniversary of the Nakba, the names of two Palestinian cameramen targeted and killed by Israeli airstrikes in Gaza last November were dropped from a dedication ceremony held to honor ”reporters, photographers and broadcasters who have died reporting the news” over the past year. The move followed an Israel lobby pressure campaign led by anti-Palestinian organizations such as the Anti-Defamation League, the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies and the American Jewish Committee, efforts that were openly supported by the Israeli government.

    The Atlantic Wire‘s J.K. Trotter summarizes:

    Two days after Washington, D.C.’s Newseum announced its intent to honor Hussam Salama and Mahmoud al-Kumi, who were killed in November while working as cameramen for the Middle East-based Al-Aqsa TV, the well-known temple of journalism has decided — for now — not to recognize Salama and al-Kumi, citing their employer’s deep ties to Hamas, a Palestinian organization currently designated by the United States as a terrorist group.


    The Newseum is owned by the Freedom Forum. No irony in the name there. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Forum

    PS “Murdoch and Netanyahu make love so please don’t interrupt” was the title of the article by Anthony Lowenstein and was not a comment as the RI knows very well.

  140. The amount of effort that the Murdoch stable put into trying to discredit and weaken the BBC should ring alarm bells for those who wish it abolished.
    The BBC is an atrocious propaganda machine but it is OUR atrocious propaganda machine. We complain about it so bitterly because we pay for it through our license fees and so are entitled to complain when it doesn’t represent our views fairly. We do not have the same right of expectation towards a privately owned news outlet.

    Control of the information flow is vitally important to those puppet masters who shape our world. The privately owned media are easy to control. All you need is money and the puppet masters have unlimited quantities of that. The BBC is state owned and thus a bit trickier to keep under rein. An entirely different method has to be used to control the its output – suitable controllers have to be installed at various levels of the hierarchy, our government’s propaganda demands have to be integrated with the demands of the puppet masters, and as stated above, Joe public insists upon higher standards from the BBC. For all these reasons, controlling the BBC must be much more labour and time intensive for our busy string pullers.

    Let’s not make it easier for them by abolishing it.

  141. Mark Golding at 2.10 pm. I see what you mean. Where was the mention of the incriminating letter instructing the setting up of a new Google.mail account to process future exchanges.

  142. @Komodo, 14 May, 2013 – 3:03 pm

    “The Sykes-Picot agreement had nothing to do with a Zionist Israel” – Very very wrong old chap.

  143. Technicolour at 12:18pm on 14.5.13: I agree.

    And with the greatest of respect, all this stuff about ‘Zionist Neocon Elites’ appearing on most threads really makes it look as though (some) people are obsessed in almost knee-jerk way with the idea of there being one great overarching ethnic/religious cabal that rules the world, or aims to do so, and this approach is pretty much in line with the tenets of European (and now also Islamist) Dreyfuss-like anti-Semitic (yes, I know, a red flag word, but what other word is there for it?) propaganda.

    Look, throught history, the people who have risen to the tops of organisations tend to be the ones who support whichever power structures are dominant at that time in history in a particular economic or national or imperial system. It’s the system and in advanced capitalist societies power centres are complex and multifocal. There are multiple views these people may have on a variety of subjects and to pick one and attempt to align it to fit a specific, limited, plot-driven (plot, that is, in the dramatic, rather than the conspiratorial, sense) paradigm might be exciting and fulfilling but is not a reflection of the complexities of reality.

    So, to critique the BBC’s stance on this or that, or the salaries, golden handshakes and stances of its executives on this or that is entirely valid (and I’d recommend, eg. the work of the Glasgow Media Group headed by Prof Greg Philo wrt the reporting of Palestine/Israel by the media, including the BBC), but to paint them all as part of some great, and this is the point – simple – plot and to give that as a reason to abolish the institution is quite another.

  144. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 May, 2013 - 10:09 pm

    @ Suhayl Saadi

    as so often, an excellent post. Thank you.

  145. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    14 May, 2013 - 10:20 pm

    @ April Showers, formerly “Mary”

    Well, how did you like Giles’s post at 16h26? You must absolutely read and re-read it.

    I think it was the funniest post I’ve seen in the 6 months or so I’ve been here.

    It is a classic!

  146. Zionism in UK and World politics, media etc is a bloody mad elephant (if not the…) so of course some will (quite rationally) focus on it.

    The majority of unreasonable caricaturing of Zionist influence in these comments is from those few who declare others are obsessed with it.

  147. Completely agree that the purge following Andrew Gilligan being sacked and Greg Dyke being forced out (for paraphrasing what Kelly said as opposed to the outright lying and political re-writing of intelligence analyses on Iraq by the government) damaged the BBC. Former government ministers should not be allowed to work at the BBC for at least 10 years after leaving government either – and BBC staff should not be allowed to be members of government for 10 years after leaving the BBC either.

    Most of the BBC’s News 24 TV news is pretty terrible and embarassingly establishment, British nationalist and monarchist – and their version of “impartiality” seems to be holding views held by the leaders of the main parties.

    However their website reports are often good, if short on detail. So despite the BBC’s faults it has some strong points and I wouldn’t like to see the BBC scrapped if that meant Sky News or a British equivalent of Fox News replacing them.

  148. April Showers

    14 May, 2013 - 10:53 pm

    Life for an Arab going through Ben Gurion airport (properly called Lodd)


    May 14, 2013 at 15:10
    Then it became …


    Israeli airport sorts passengers with ‘Jewish stickers’ and ‘Arab stickers’
    Philip Weiss

    This shocking story– of yet another “huge humiliation” of a non-Jew at Ben Gurion airport– was posted by Mira Awad, an Israeli Palestinian singer, on her Facebook page, in Hebrew, today. Ami Kaufman at +972 provided a translation of the entry, and notes that Awad is a celebrity in Israel. Awad in translation:

    So, I was checked at the airport, they asked the questions, put the stickers on, and I proceeded to the X-Ray machine. Suddenly, the young security man comes to me: “Mira? Mira Awad?”

    Me: “Yes?”

    Security man: “Can I see your passport? There’s a mistake with the sticker.”

    I almost told him: “No, you’re not mistaken, I see you put the right one on — the sticker for Arabs”, but I didn’t say that (security people have their humor extracted during their preparatory course). I gave him my passport, he opens it, takes off the sticker in the passport and on the suitcase and puts on a new one, different, the same color but smaller.

    Now the dilemma. On the one hand it’s obvious the young man has just made my life easier by putting on the sticker for Jews. On the other hand, it’s one of the things that it’s hard to say thanks for. I mean, thank you for not considering me a terrorist any more? Thanks that someone whispered to you, “it’s Mira Awad,” so the “Awad” isn’t scary anymore? Thanks for upgrading me to a Class A citizen? I turned into one of “ours,” or actually one of “yours.” A small sticker that carries with it such huge humiliation, and today even enfolds stupidity. Because since they cancelled the stickers with different colors, which we protested, they made new stickers with less recognizable differences to the inexperienced eye, and here they are embarrassing themselves with unaware patronizing like, “Let’s award you with the status of a privileged person!” — so you don’t say that we aren’t humane. By the way, it happend to me also last week, when a senior security man who wanted to “show off” (maybe you’ll say he wanted to joke around, but we’ve already concluded that he doesn’t know how to joke around, see earlier “extraction of humor”) and asked one of his employees to get me one of the “regular” stickers and then winked at me as he continued to speak him: “Can’t you see it’s Mira Awad?”

    So, the conclusion is, if you’re Israeli and your name is Awad – you better be famous! If not, forget about the duty free! Yalla, I’m out of here. For now.

    Thanks to Ofer Neiman.


  149. Well, I’m kind of curious about all this. Because like everyone else I know that in news, for example, the BBC has dumbed down; that, because of time constraints or lack of general life experience, its reporters are not often doing their background research; that the narrative is therefore loaded in favour of power and privilege. I know, as we all do, that positions within the BBC are given to people who speak the language of the establishment: in short, that it is utterly and irrevocably loaded towards bad journalism. This is nothing new, and nor is it unusual, in mass media.

    The fact is, though, that good journalists occasionally do break through; and decent reports are sometimes achieved, and when they are, and do, this board is among the first to link to them, with the BBC cachet as some kind of proof.

    I think this whole discussion is a lot broader, in fact. If the new media takes over, and a grass roots revolution happens here, as it did, temporarily, in Egypt, and Iran, for example, then the BBC will have abolished, and will have to reinvent, itself (or, alternatively, of course, the US/corporate/ruling interests will ensure it gets even worse). If there is nothing coming from the grass roots, and no support for it in ‘radical’ circles – and I see little evidence of that here – then people will be left with a commercial (and, I agree, even less accountable) version of the same.

  150. NB: Indymedia UK’s posting board today:

    RESIST CARDIAC ARREST – Plymouth Taser Death Inspires Call For Reform.


    Press release: On International Conscientious Objectors’ Day, Israeli CO in prison

    Support Abdul Ghafar Rajabali

    Stitched up: The Scottish Anti-Bedroom Tax Federation

    BBC using fraud & price fixing suspects KPMG to deliver their ‘business news’

    Welsh Anti-Drones Conference

    …Not checked, but I think the general idea, if one does not merely want to be a passive consumer, is that one checks them.

  151. Has the BBC reported on this? It’s all over the internet

    ‘Syrian rebel commander in organ eating video’

    […] Embedded below is the infamous video, apparently of Khalid al-Hamad aka ‘Abu Sakkar’ of the independent Omar al-Farouq Brigade, cutting out the organs of a slain Syrian Army soldier …

    Viewer discretion advised – although the image has been blurred.


  152. Car crash TV? I mean, it’s awful but what should I think otherwise/do about it?

  153. Are you talking to me, Tech?
    I just think it should be widely known. I’ve been publicising it as much as possible. These are after all the thugs that ‘the West’ insists on supporting.

    The Human Rights Investigations piece finishes up:

    “It is interesting this particular video has gone viral, whereas worse ones, including one of rebels beheading a child, have not. Possibly, the recent attack by the US National Security State on Associated Press has hit a few raw nerves – and corporate media is giving the White House a little reminder of their power to influence perceptions. Or perhaps, Russia and the USA have finally come to an understanding to bring the Syrian bloodshed to an end.

    “In any case, the hope is that this video of Abu Sakkar, in all its depravity, will open the eyes of the citizens of the west to the incredible harm that is being done to the people of Syria by western leaders in illegally arming, financing and giving political support to a violent, sectarian, extremist insurgency in that country.”

    (I’m not advocating that the BBC should actually show the video)

  154. Technicolour wrote “I know, as we all do, that positions within the BBC are given to people who speak the language of the establishment: in short, that it is utterly and irrevocably loaded towards bad journalism. This is nothing new, and nor is it unusual, in mass media.

    The fact is, though, that good journalists occasionally do break through; and decent reports are sometimes achieved, and when they are, and do, this board is among the first to link to them, with the BBC cachet as some kind of proof.”

    Yep, fair points. I agree. The Guardian is meant to be very left wing, yet it’s editor Michael White wrote an article on the anniversary of the Iraq war saying the invasion was all fine and lovely and it was only the occupation being a bit of a mess that was shameful.

    There’s a lot of very bad journalism on the BBC but some good stuff too.

  155. BBC Radio is excellent, across the board, except, as most here have pointed out, for the news. It is the biggest producer of radio plays in the world; these vary in quality, as one would expect with such a vast production going on from all parts of the country; but they are listened to by millions and represent art for arts sake, the power of art to engage people; the arts depts get away with more anti-authoritarian politics than the news depts do. You can put subversive things in plays and in those little ‘Pauses for Thought’ I used to do on the Sarah Kennedy Show than you can in overt politics/news BBC broadcasting. Nobody ever tried to censor me politically in the Radio Drama/Arts Depts. The BBC produced the radio play about whistleblower, Craig’s experiences, starring one of the most prominent actors in the UK today.

    It also does great work in the various regions of Britain, in Gaelic and to a lesser extent, Scots, langauge programming and so on. Digital radio, web-based radio… people all over listen to disparate stuff.

    All of this would be lost forever. The BBC consistenly gets attacked as a ‘haven for liberal lefties’. Actually, many of its producers (not the top executives, the producers of the material) are liberal and progressive, yet as an organisation it always has been monarchist and supportive of power and I agree that it became much more so in the latter regard post-Dyke. I agree again with technicolour’s comments on these matters (I’m sorry, I don’t mean to sound as though I automatically echo everything they say, I do not, but as always they make some very valid points).

    I’m afraid, with immense respect, I disagree with Craig on this subject.

    There won’t be dissenting voices of any sort in a monopoly privatised broadcasting media. The BBC is flawed, but it’s better than the alternatives in the current economic system – and that last phrase is the crucial thing, as it is the economic system which will determine the type of media in a country/internationally. Neoliberal economic system = neoliberal media = solidly, if subtley, neoliberal political communications aka public relations aka propaganda. Everything else will go to the wall.

  156. and yes Dreoilin the BBC has reported on that video

  157. Thanks Duncan

  158. What hope have we that bagman William Hague gets the same heartfelt reception when he delivers rebels such as the charming Abu Sakar, their weekly wage packets and latest tranche of pills? That Syrian chap is someone’s son, brother or father. I hope the Syrian army catch Abu alive, and deport him here to let his Downing Street masters confront one of their finest creations. Cameron might even find a safe seat on the Tory benches for him, if only to forestall New Labour claiming him as their’s, he’d be a hit on the BBC too, crossover carnivorous kitchen makeover cum political pundit or royal/bloodsports correspondent.

    I’m sure Guano would have approved, Haddaway-and-shite is probably jerking off.

    The Syrian army will in the end prevail and if there is any justice in the world will drive these rebels en-masse in the direction of Israel (Israeli-occupied Syria), at gunpoint, where they’ll be right at home with their good zionist buddies and mentors. Monsters one and all. I’m sure it was top item on the BBC Six O-Clock NewsDreoilin.

    Personally I thought ‘our’ rebels forcing Syrian children to carry out beheadings was worse.

  159. “Personally I thought ‘our’ rebels forcing Syrian children to carry out beheadings was worse.” — Cryptonym

    Appalling. If there was video of that, I didn’t look. But I read about it.

    I’ve been doing some more reading about the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and I came across this (which I hadn’t known before)

    “SOHR’s methodology for counting civilian victims has been questioned,[6] as the organisation includes opposition combatants among the number of civilian casualties, as long as these are not former members of the military.[7]”


    So, if ‘Abu Sakkar’ were killed, the SOHR would list him as a civilian death.

  160. karel (a conspiracy a day keeps idiocy away)

    15 May, 2013 - 12:20 am

    there is indeed some merrit in your complains that Halibabcus is somewhat semiliterate as far as his English goes. But his Italian is superb as you can guess from his stupifying claims that La vita è bella! poor bugger let us have a pitty on him. having been educated in the slums of Golders Green he cannot do any better.

  161. Thanks all for illuminating comments,

  162. “having been educated in the slums of Golders Green he cannot do any better” – oh go and choke on a bike.

  163. I’m sorry to disagree Suhayl, I’ve long admired some aspects of the Radio 4 drama and comedy output, but it likewise is circling the plughole, though there are still a few rare gems amongst the regional sourced output that I’d gladly pay a tenner a year or so, but not much more, to keep going. I look forward to a Scottish public service broadcaster filling the same role, utilising whatever parts of BBC Scotland can be saved and are neither joined at the hip to the New Labour party machine or a nest for the dregs of the Scottish Tories to afflict.

  164. it likewise is circling the plughole, – yes, beautifully put, my worry too.

  165. Dreoilin: I’ve been publicising it as much as possible. These are after all the thugs that ‘the West’ insists on supporting.

    I didn’t know that, and thank you.

  166. Sorry for going a bit off topic, but unless we can get the point across that the risks of staying part of the UK (being dragged into wars, having a government largely run for the benefit of banks and big firms that donate to party funds) are much bigger than any risks associated with independence we’re not going to win the referendum.

    People are scared due to the financial crisis and recession and think it’s better to stick with the devil they know, despite deregulation by UK governments having led to the crisis in the first place (though Salmond, who backed the RBS takeover deals is not blameless there either).

    They think we couldn’t afford to bail out the banks in a similar crisis in an independent Scotland. Maybe we couldn’t, but maybe we shouldn’t. Maybe we should cancel all debts instead (including mortgages) and only guarantee savers’ savings and let the banks go under if it happens again. And we’d at least have a chance of regulating them in future as the Edinburgh financial sector doesn’t have the lobbying and donating power that the City of London has.

    The unionists talk about how oil and gas will run out. It will, of course, sooner or later, but is it better to be self-sufficient in it and even be able to export some in the meantime, using the money made to invest in other energy technologies, or would it be better to stay part of the UK, which has to import much of it’s oil and gas requirements from Russia, and which will also run out of North Sea oil and gas if we stay part of the union?

  167. Dreoilin – Yes, it’s ridiculous how much of the media and politicians have mostly (with a few exceptions – e.g Alex Thompson for Channel 4 News) talking as if the Syrian rebels’ claims are all fact and Assad’s claims are all lies. Both sides are brutal, both sides are torturing and targeting civilians – and the strongest rebel armed group is not the FSA but Al Nusrah, which was established by and is openly allied with Al Qa’ida in Iraq.

    They even talk as if Assad’s forces have definitely used chemical weapons and its just a matter of proving it, though to be fair if you read their own reports they do quote a lot of experts saying the evidence of chemical weapons use is dodgy in the extreme and quite possibly faked.

  168. BrianFujisan

    15 May, 2013 - 1:40 am

    The Exchange between Dreolin, and technicolour…is to me the real heartbreak of the great Pillar of uk..bbc…Its largely their propoganda crimes that have allowed – certainly Iraq, Libya, and now Syria..and their silence on other evils….
    i repeatedly see from alternatvie sites – Rows of bodies, from many different countries.

    The other heartbreaking thing is that i’m surrounded by people who don’t want to to Know, Since a lot of these guys helped me in a very dark time of my life, i seem relutant to keep reposting Medialens, Globalresearch, Counterpunch ect..onto facebook.

    The criminals at the bbc realy have helped the elitists to fuck the country over big time. their silence And / or Truth twisting on uk complicity on at least one ongoing genocide…sickening

    And so too is this load of crap – The most honest 3 mins of tv history…Yuk


  169. BrianFujisan

    15 May, 2013 - 2:42 am

  170. Suhayl,

    With the greatest of respect to you on this issue i disagree.

    But that’s OK…i always appreciate your input Suhayl :.)

  171. BBC may have reported on the gruesome Syrian rebel video, but what horrified me was how bbc world sce prefaced each new radio program last nite australia time with quick roundup of news headlines, which consisted of:
    top story, John Kerry threatending Assad if he didn’t attend talks, followed by Syrian rebel justifying his actions as revenge for Syrian govt atrocities. can’t recall any other news stories mentioned:

    most MSM is busy rationalising the war crime:

    14 May – NYT: Syrian Rebel Reportedly Defends Sinking Teeth Into Dead Soldier’s Flesh on Camera
    A Syrian rebel commander who appeared to bite into the flesh of a government soldier’s corpse in a horrifying video clip posted on YouTube this week defended his actions in an interview with Time magazine on Tuesday. The rebel, Khalid al-Hamad, known by the nom de guerre Abu Sakkar, confirmed that he sank his teeth into an internal organ that he had laboriously carved out of the dead soldier’s chest as a colleague recorded the scene. “Our slogan,” he said, “is an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.”…
    After the video of Abu Sakkar biting into the flesh of the dead soldier spread online this week, a French photojournalist recognized him as the same man he had interviewed last year for Britain’s Channel 4 News. The journalist, who uses the pseudonym Mani, said that Abu Sakkar was a former street vendor from Baba Amr, a district of Homs, who first took up arms as part of the city’s rebel Farouq Brigade…

    “transition” talks? hardly the kind of talk Assad would be interested in, surely:

    AP: Kerry expects Syrians to attend transition talks
    VIDEO: Kerry: “Strong evidence” Syria used chemical weapons

  172. Oddie 3.47am – I, too, am in Australia, and used to listen to BBC World Service during the hours when I couldn’t sleep. But the poor reporting and bias made me turn off the radio and reach for my iPod which I load with excellent BBC and ABC programs and other good free downloads (of which there are many). With so many reputable news sites and intelligent blogs on the internet, it’s easy to avoid the corporate media entirely. The only way to beat the ABC, the BBC, and the Murdoch and corporate media, is to ignore the buggers.

  173. karel (a conspiracy a day keeps idiocy away)

    15 May, 2013 - 7:05 am

    having noticed that your sense of humour is somewhat underdeveloped, I would recomend that you massage it on weekends. You may not believe me but there is a lot of shitty housing in Golders Green. The high price tag does not make it any better.

  174. April Showers

    15 May, 2013 - 7:56 am

    A message came down the line from Whitehall to Portland Place.

    BBC drops Syrian terrorist atrocity report

  175. “The Sykes-Picot agreement had nothing to do with a Zionist Israel” – Very very wrong old chap.

    Depends how you look at it. With the conspiracist’s eye, anything to do with Palestine is a Zionist plot. But S-P was designed to carve up the Ottoman Empire (which had not then been defeated) between the British, French and Russians – who were at that point still in the war. Palestine (with the exception, I think of Haifa, which would have been a British area) would have been under joint administrative control by all three parties. The aim was more governance than conquest, and the existing population balance would have been left intact. The intention of having a Jewish state in Palestine was not even a subsidiary aim. In the event, Sykes-Picot was very much modified in the final division of spoils, and IMO cannot be said to have been the predecessor of the present situation.

    Old chap.

  176. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    15 May, 2013 - 8:42 am

    @ Karel

    “there is indeed some merrit in your complains that Halibabcus is somewhat semiliterate as far as his English goes. But his Italian is superb as you can guess from his stupifying claims that La vita è bella! poor bugger let us have a pitty on him..etc”

    “merrit” ? “a pitty” ?

    Have you been at the pils again? :)

  177. I find myself broadly in agreement with what Craig has written about the B.B.C. and like one or two of the contributors I don’t own a TV. (I still get demands for the license fee, however – which I ignore. This is in itself curious. I don’t have a fishing license either, but nobody wants to know whether I’ve got a rod and line lying around the place). Anyway, one thing has occurred to me. If we, as a nation – a society – made a better attempt to educate ourselves, read more, enquire more, insist that schools were better (we are paying for them too, after all) and that as many children as possible achieved as high a standard as possible in English (very important), History, Geography, Physics, Chemistry, Biology and Maths, would we still tolerate being spoon fed the patronising, low-quality drivel produced not just by the B.B.C. but by others? Somehow I doubt it. The broadcasters would then have to raise their game. Of course the extra problem with the beeb is that if you simply own a TV you are obliged to subsidise them regardless.

  178. So we arrived at a point where some say that to break up the BBC would mean to change what’s good within it, such as cultural drama and plays and some news, is going to be destroyed if the structure is broken up.

    I disagree because we are living in a system that values good output and hence somebody will always be taking care of the profitable functioning side.

    Its the propaganda model and dependency that has to be eliminated, the BBC has to be able to stand on its own feet and be competitive for its output and functions.

    Should it follow Sid, the gasman? the most likely option, it will be sold off and without offering the taxpayer, who effectively owns the BBC, a share, which should go into the state coffers, not to the dependent placemen/women who have grown fat and rich on their public broadcasting brief.

    What’s left can vie for credits from the banks and if they can compete on the global market, which they all adamantly believe, they will survive and get subscriptions.

    The undermining of the news agenda by propaganda merchants within the MI’s is a problem that can only be rectified by peer pressure, these characters need exposing and their real allegiances publicised.

  179. April Showers

    15 May, 2013 - 9:09 am

    Both the Mainstream Media and the Gatekeeper “Alternative” Media Are Pro-War

    Why There Is So Much Pro-War Reporting

    There are five reasons that the mainstream media and the largest alternative media websites are pro-war.

    The section headings
    1. Self-Censorship by Journalists
    2. Censorship by Higher-Ups
    3. Drumming Up Support for War
    4. Access
    5. Censorship by the Government

  180. April Showers

    15 May, 2013 - 9:13 am

    O/T Is yet another rip off of the Great British public going to be exposed?

    BP and Shell raided over allegations they colluded to fix petrol prices

    The European Commission today raided the offices of BP and Shell on suspicion that they are playing a central role in what could be the next price fixing scandal – colluding to inflate oil prices and, in turn, the cost of petrol.

    In the wake of the Libor interest rate and gas price manipulation scandals, the EC has launched an investigation into whether oil producers and traders are colluding to rig oil prices in a move that inflates their profits at the expense of consumers.


  181. April Showers

    15 May, 2013 - 9:22 am

    On this day of mourning, the 65th anniversary of al Nakba, these pieces of news are heartening.

    Yesterday, the ICC prosecutor announced that she would pursue the complaint filed by Cormoros Island.


    And Gaza’s Ark announced they had purchased the boat to sail OUT of Gaza.



    “Every year on May 15, Palestinians all over the world hold demonstrations to commemorate Nakba Day, which marks the anniversary of the forcible eviction of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homeland by Israelis and the creation of Israel in 1948.”

  182. “BBC drops Syrian terrorist atrocity report”


    Thanks Mary/April

    The ‘rebels’ and their activities must be sanitised – while we’re supposed to swallow that Assad has “crossed a red line”, even if it’s all been faked.

    As someone pointed out (Robert Fisk?) why would Assad injure or kill less than half a dozen people with chemical weapons when his forces were in the process of pushing the fighters back with conventional weapons at the time? And knowing that such use of a chemical weapon would give the US/UK the excuse they wanted to impose their Libyan-style no fly zone? (i.e. bomb the shit out of him, his family, and his forces?)

    Just so much tosh and lies.

  183. From Craig:

    “…obliged to pay for, on penalty of not owning a television”

    From Richard:

    “if you simply own a TV you are obliged to subsidise them regardless.”

    This is no longer true. The licence is now only required if you “watch or record TV programmes as they are being transmitted” [my emphasis], not merely because you own receiving equipment.

    So you can’t be penalised for not having a licence unless you declare that you watch or record TV at transmission time when you return the form to TV Licensing, or you happen to confess to or be caught in the act by one of their agents.

    I have a TV which I use as a computer monitor. I neither have nor require a licence as I never use it to watch or record TV transmissions.

    Those who wish to watch TV without paying can just use Bill Clinton’s trick; he admitted to puffing on a joint of cannabis but has consistently maintained that he “never inhaled”, and no one can prove otherwise.

  184. “Both the Mainstream Media and the Gatekeeper “Alternative” Media Are Pro-War”

    Not the alternatives that I’m reading, they’re not.
    I get a daily round-up from Information Clearing House.

  185. “The unionists talk about how oil and gas will run out. It will, of course, sooner or later, but is it better to be self-sufficient in it and even be able to export some in the meantime, using the money made to invest in other energy technologies, or would it be better to stay part of the UK, which has to import much of it’s oil and gas requirements from Russia, and which will also run out of North Sea oil and gas if we stay part of the union?”

    We import most of our food as well.

    Strangely people don’t see that as important like oil and gas.

  186. fred

    “Strangely people don’t see that as important like oil and gas.”

    There are many potential sources of food and it is inherently (if not actually) a renewable. Oil and gas are scarce and depleting, and having your own source can avoid a lot of trouble. Ask the Georgians or Ukrainians.

  187. technicolour

    15 May, 2013 - 9:54 am

    The Exchange between Dreolin, and technicolour…is to me the real heartbreak of the great Pillar of uk..bbc…Its largely their propoganda crimes that have allowed – certainly Iraq, Libya, and now Syria..and their silence on other evils….

    Sorry, this is not true. Like Craig, I have no idea what should be done about Syria. I am, whatever, not in favour of supplying arms to anyone. And the vast majority of this country was and remains against the attacks on Iraq which suggests that if the BBC is purely a propaganda cell, it is an extremely unsuccessful one.

  188. Chief Constable Sara Thornton has apologised for not dealing with the Oxford Pakistani paedophile ring sooner because she had not realised that they were working ‘in a group’.

    Well, sexual activity in post-Christianity Britain is still shrouded in shame and not normally indulged in as a group activity. More so in current Islam, I would have thought. So what larger force would persuade these men ( and maybe women in the know, in the background !!! ) to commit these crimes as a group activity?

    The answer is obvious to me, racism. The reason why these crimes were not picked up inside the Muslim community is that their fathers and elders ( and maybe womenfolk ) mostly share that racism. Before you all scream that I don’t know how much pressure from British racism these Muslims suffer, I agree, these may have been motivated by revenge.

    But I also know that, where like myself a new Muslim convert/revert, whose family find our conversion abhorrent, do not have a family or social support system, that politically-motivated, racism-driven Muslims will pick on and work together to abuse their fellow, new Muslim brothers and sisters. They work together from the top of Muslim society in wealth and piety, to the bottom. The bottom of the ladder of Pakistani society is the outsiders, the non-Muslims who share a grudge against the new Muslims,not for nationality-racist reasons obviously, but for class or religious or some other weird reasons of their own.

    What these persecutors forget is that their own Westernised Muslim children who like the UK and who are not racist, are logically now the targets of the parents’ historically engendered racism. Lots of evil things are done in the name of Islam and justified openly by pseudo-Salafi evidences. Are you going to chew your enemies’ lungs on Youtube while your weapons, family income and political leaders come from Cameron and Obama?
    Yes! Because the political class work as a united group, same as the paedophiles and mosque bullies, against us the people. So if your children are people, watch out, they are your potential victims.

  189. The reason why Sara Thornton missed the point in Thames Valley Police’s investigations was political Correctness, in my opinion. In 1996, I found myself supervising Community service orders, having previously done some Probation volunteering.

    On the first occasion my supervisor wanted to include a man who was struggling with being on Methodone. He claimed that there was no medical reason why he could not participate in the day’s gardening. Having worked in a drop-in related to addiction, I knew very well that this was incorrect, and events on that day proved me right and my supervisor wrong.

    On the next occasion, the group were all Muslim, and they started an apple-fight. I got the sack from my English manager, they got a b*******king. The supervisor was scared of losing his job for making life hard for the Muslims. !!!!!!!!!

  190. “It is time to shake the kaleidoscope and abolish the BBC.”

    I’ll drink to that.

    in a perfect world the BBC would be reformed and act in the interest of the people. BUT Wastemonster has it’claws sunk right into it. so it isn’t going to reform in peoples interests.

    If the BBC was abolished Wastemonster would fashion it’s replacement as it (Wastemonster) required. The only thing to do is inform the public.
    That’s what is happening in Glasgow this Saturday 18th Meeting at Strathclyde Union at 12. check out

  191. Mark Golding

    ‘Truth John Goss becomes rarefied in an atmosphere of deception the West uses to gain false superiority and benefit in a bipolar world.’

    Politics and truth are about the same as the North Pole and ozone.

  192. I really hate to disagree with you, Nevermind, but here I have to. In my mind there is a large percentage of potential viewers who watch TV to relax – ie hit the sofa, open a beer and watch football, or even just turn the damn thing on for pretty colours and background noise – and a very small percentage of viewers who want to watch difficult stuff. The former are a viable market force. The latter aren’t. Commercial competition is not the way to do this.

    An alternative might be to integrate the factual side of the BBC with the education system (OU material used to be very good, but was in competition with consumer pap for its time slots, and lost). Granted, there would need to be independent oversight of this, and the political input would need to be very carefully scrutinised. And as I said, execute three quarters of the useless management, simultaneously robbing a proportion of their inflated pension fund. With the money released, restore in-house production to the highest capacity feasible; the BBC is currently paying mega£ for external productions – much of it initiated by ex-staff. Put HDTV in the internet, behind a low paywall*, for the pleb stuff, and drop the license fee funding – the enforcement alone probably costs the same as Liberia’s budget.

    And devise an appropriately shameful death for Robert Peston, Murdoch’s man on the inside, while I’m building castles in the air. Because none of this or anything like it will happen. Ever.

    *simple price formula: 75% X a Sky subscription

  193. HBCK
    Thank you for your commentary on Greek debt. Helpful, for once. As you acknowledge, this is a blunt instrument, and I’d add that even if it were a righteous retribution on tax-dodgers, it is a response to the greater, and global, criminality of fraudulent banks. Who ought to be taking the hit. Granted, the bourgeois are adept at hiding their assets. An amnesty , followed by better enforced and more draconian measures for the future, might be the way to go. The Greeks badly need to clear the decks . (And so do we).

  194. In the old USSR, Tass was the propaganda organ of the politburo, and the Russian citizens were fully aware of its function, hence its content was taken with a huge pinch of salt. On the other hand the illiterate, naïve and self absorbed Western citizens are easy prey for the BBC and Murdoch et al alike.

    The principle of :”ignorance is bliss” stretched to its limits. Has resulted in plainly, patently biased content to be accepted as the current wisdom, and the carefully crafted mims by these lie merchants, that are interpreted as the self thought out conclusions; guide the ignorant masses in the desired and determined directions that the plutocrats deem fit.

    Abolishing BBC although a welcome prospect, due to the insult of paying the license fee and then sitting back to get filled with propaganda. Alas this will not solve the problem of a society indoctrinated to the current degrees that it cannot distinguish right from wrong, and moral from immoral.

    Case in example is the current subject in vogue: Syria. Fact that so far we have had Libya, and its near destruction, that soon after was exported to Syria, somehow has not dawned on the gold fish watching the box, and the sanctimonious opining about the “Syrian people” goes on unabated.

    The simple question; “what the fuck has internal affairs of any country to do with anyone of the gold fish?” never crosses their tiny mind. After all, their self importance, that yields “Values” that are deemed to be universal, can mask the wanton greed of the brigands in charge of these masses.

  195. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
    13 May, 2013 – 6:17 pm

    “If that’s by any chance a reference to (inter alia) me:”

    Please don’t use words or phrases like “inter alia” (above) and “non-sequitur” (posts passim) in an effort to impress, they don’t fit the context of your sentences; it displays your ignorance.

  196. Clark,

    Thanks for the update, I didn’t realise that you could own a TV without paying the license fee. I get regular letters from the Licensing Authority and I’m pretty sure that they used to say something to the effect that if I owned any receiving equipment at all, then I was liable to cough up under pain of £1,000 fine, imprisonment, castration or some such. But then I haven’t bothered opening them for a year or two, so I guess I must be out of date. The envelopes keep coming, though.

  197. karel (a conspiracy a day keeps idiocy away)

    15 May, 2013 - 12:02 pm


    you are quite right on the Sykes-Picot agreement. Without the collusion of UK and France aimed at preventig the formation of independent states in the ME as an outcome of the eventual collapse and desintegration of the Ottoman empire, the former could have not been in the position favourable enough for presenting Palestine to the Zionists.

  198. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
    13 May, 2013 – 8:54 pm

    @ Doug Scorgie (16h14) :

    “You are truly your mother’s Son, aren’t you. Same selective, and incomplete, quoting, designed to give a misleading impression.”

    Wrong again Half-brick I merely quote parts of texts that may be of interest to others. I of course always give links to any texts I quote from so that anyone here can check for themselves; a technique you have yet to learn.

    By the way you left out a question mark above, tsk-tsk.

  199. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    15 May, 2013 - 12:16 pm

    “Please don’t use words or phrases like “inter alia” (above) and “non-sequitur” (posts passim) in an effort to impress, they don’t fit the context of your sentences; it displays your ignorance.”

    Tewwibly sorry to have upset you, old chap. But actually if it’s all the same to you I’ll keep using them where appropriate.

    BTW, I do like your “posts passim”, it rolls off the tongue beautifully. May I use it as well?

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