The Mavi Marmara Murders

by craig on May 16, 2013 10:17 am in Uncategorized

I can claim to have had a small hand in instigating the legal complaint to the International Criminal Court by the Comoros Islands against the murders by Israeli troops on the Mavi Marmara. The Washington Post writes:

In a filing, lawyers from the Istanbul-based law firm Elmadag argued that the events that took place on the Mavi Marmari should be considered as having occurred on the territory of Comoros.

As though this were in any sense a matter of dispute. That crimes committed on any ship outside of territorial waters are under the jurisdiction of the flag state of the ship, is both customary international law of ancient standing and a fundamental provision of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

Article 92:
Ships shall sail under the flag of one State only and, save in exceptional cases expressly provided for in international treaties or in this Convention, shall be subject to its exclusive jurisdiction on the high seas.

The Comoros Islands are a tiny state off the East coast of the continent. They are part of the disgraceful system where small or failed states lease out their shipping registers – often corruptly – to western companies who run them, enabling major shipping owners to evade safety, conditions, qualifications and pay regulations of more serious states. Liberia has been the most notorious example. The Comoros government therefore deserves huge congratulation for taking its flag state responsibility so seriously, and so bravely, in taking on Israel.

It is a responsibility Turkey deliberately shed just before the Mavi Marmara was attacked.

There is, in this regard, as I reported from my meetings with organisers and bereaved families of the Mavi Marmara in Izmir two years ago, something extremely disturbing about the case of the Mavi Marmara:

Shortly before sailing, the registration was switched from Turkey to the Comoros Islands. This exempted Turkey from the responsibility of jurisdiction. It also made discussion at NATO much easier for the US; if the Israelis had attacked in international waters a ship flying the flag of a NATO state, that would have been a much more difficult thing for the alliance to ignore.

It turns out that the change was made at the insistence of the Turkish Ministry of Transport. They carried out a number of inspections of the Mavi Marmara prior to the Gaza trip and made repeated demands for changes: mattresses and cushions had to have more modern, fire resistant foam. Internal walls had to be upgraded for fire resistance. Whatever changes were then made, the Ministry found new faults. In the end, the Ministry had said that the Mavi Marmara would be impounded unless it changed its registration, as it could not meet the safety requirements for a Turkish flagged ship.

The strange thing is that the Mavi Marmara had been Turkish flagged for years, and hade been running tourist cruises out of Istanbul. None of the faults the Ministry found resulted from any changes, yet none had apparently been a problem on past inspections. The family told me that, before the Mavi Marmara sailed, they had been in no doubt the Turkish government had been deliberately obstructive and had forced the change of flag.

Part of the Turkish state was insistent on giving the Mavi Marmara no protection. You have to ask the question, did these people know in advance the Mavi Marmara was to be attacked? The fatal shootings on board were mostly not random – they were targeted shots to the head of selected people. If Israel had planned this, how long in advance, where did they get their intelligence on who was aboard? If they had assistance from within the Turkish state, of course the Turkish state would want to ensure they did not have legal responsibility over the killings.

Let me be plain. I am not accusing the current government of Turkey. But they inherited a bureaucracy and political establishment riddled, especially at the most senior levels, with ultra-nationalists and relatives and connections of the Turkish military. The Turkish Foreign Office in particular is notoriously ultra and completely penetrated and corrupted by Israel. The Turkish government has had a most difficult job in changing the direction of the country without provoking violent nationalist reaction. That has been a process; and the result is that those apparently in power did not in reality get control of all the levers of power at once.

We are a long way yet from knowing the full truth about the Mavi Marmara: and Israel is not the only place to look.

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139 Comments

  1. Thanks for that very cogent post, Craig. I’d missed the reregistration issue completely. And it explains some of the other features of the case. Comoros is to be congratulated on its stand.

  2. Could it not just be, more prosaically, that they thought there was a pretty good chance something would happen? Anyone waiting for the MM to depart would’ve expected at least for it to be stopped from entering Gazan waters – the fact that it was stopped in as bloody a way as it was was the unprecedented part?

  3. Neal,

    If they just stopped it, it would not be such a big issue that you would want the flag changed. None of the other flag states – and there were several – took similar action. The only flag state that insisted on a change was the vessel that had the people killed on board. Yes, that might be coincidence and your explanation is possible – but even then, it shows active pro-Israeli and anti-Palestinian action by Turkish authorities.

  4. Thanks Craig. Good to be reminded of this background, some of which I had forgotten.

  5. And yes, congratulations to the Comoros government, indeed.

  6. The swedish broterhood party was heavy involved in this affair, Peter Widerud was one of the planners and Anna Ardin was the coordinator (the same Ardin that is involved in the Assange-case). There was some Swedish people on this ship that was arrested as well, they all told swedish media that the israel-troops knew exaktly were people was located on the Mavi Marmara when the attack begun. Another strange thing is that the same reporter that made the Assange-case world-known was also the only one that suceeded to get on the same flight out from Ben Gurion airport as the expelled swedes was placed on with only 1,5 hrs notice, not even the swedish state department had that info, the name of that reporter is Niklas Svensson, so there is more fishy fact on this episode.

  7. Something else. Your “not random” link goes to a site which in turn cites Middleeast.org as its source. From there:

    Regarding the complicity of other foreign states in this crime, it has transcended that the Germans Parliamentarians who were on-board, Annette Groth, Inge Höger and Norman Paech, had repeatedly asked the German Foreign Ministry for support and protection, but were rebuffed and instead they were warned to get off the flotilla because of unspecified “dangers”. The strange attitude of Cyprus, which neither allowed the ships to enter port, nor allowed a delegation of Parliamentarians to board the ships, can in retrospect only be explained with the prior knowledge and complicity in the crime if the Cypriot regime.

    http://www.middleeast.org/mereport/go.php?bWlkZGxlZWFzdC5vcmd8fG1lcnx8aHR0cDovL3d3dy5wcmlzb25wbGFuZXQuY29tL3R1cmtpc2gtc291cmNlcy1pc3JhZWxpLWFkdmFuY2UtdGFyZ2V0LWFzc2Fzc2luYXRpb24tbGlzdC1mb3VuZC1vbi1mbG90aWxsYS5odG1s

  8. gordon bennett. Could a mod fix that, please? In Firefox the link goes off the edge of the screen.

  9. April Showers

    16 May, 2013 - 11:28 am

  10. April Showers

    16 May, 2013 - 11:39 am

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comoros_Islands

    and one of my favourite videos, especially for Regev’s smile being wiped off his face at 2.09

    Gaza flotilla video mashup: Internet Killed Israeli PR http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME_NpnH7jDc&bpctr=1368702083

    You have to agree to ‘continue’ as Google say it contains offensive material or somesuch.

    Did you hear about their HoC committee appearance this morning saying that they have no responsibility to pay tax in this country as no money changes hands in this country as they iperate out of Ireland? Chutzpah.

  11. This is interesting … I’d forgotten so many details and missed others …

    Now I’m asking myself a question … could it be that the US had advanced knowledge and issued warnings to various governments?

    Or is this site infecting me with the bug of questioning everything?

  12. There’s a major investigation into Western complicity in the murders on the Mavi Marmara, published as an interactive ebook, with active links that take you to all the evidence. Find it here:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Auschwitz-Propaganda-murders-Marmara-ebook/dp/B00B239VF4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1358557511&sr=8-3

    Not only does it go into serious detail about the subservience of British and US media outlets to the official Zionist line, but it looks at Greece’s use as Israel’s proxy in preventing the second Flotilla to leave for Gaza, as well as a lot of evidence of libellous lies repeated by the BBC. Lord David Trimble is proved to have lied in his part as observer of the Israeli “investigation” into the Mavi Marmara, and many other figures (such as Joe Biden) are proved culpable as well. A powerful read.

  13. “if the Israelis had attacked in international waters a ship flying the flag of a NATO state, that would have been a much more difficult thing for the alliance to ignore.”

    Of the five other ships in the convoy one was registered in the US, two in Greece and one in Turkey. All were boarded by the Israelis with varying degrees of violence.

    Most reports of the incident state that many of the victims were shot from above, from helicopters, so they could hardly have been targetted.

  14. ” with ultra-nationalists and relatives and connections of the Turkish military. The Turkish Foreign Office in particular is notoriously ultra and completely penetrated and corrupted by Israel.”

    Maybe it’s just me, but I can’t get me head around of Turkish “ultra-nationalists” being “corrupted” into selling out at the expense of Turkish lives & at the expense of the Turkish State being openly humiliated.

    “The Turkish government has had a most difficult job in changing the direction of the country without provoking violent nationalist reaction”

    It was popular “nationalist reaction” that demanded violent revenge against Israel.

    There’s something deeper involved, which would also explain how previous Palestinian supporting countries like Greece & Cyprus, suddenly decided to act in Israel’s interests.

  15. Macky

    It relates to the particular politics of Turkey, where friendly relations with Israel were a key plank of the policy of military governments and nationalist governments which the military controlled – which is all the governments of Turkey up to this one, just about.

    The current Greek government has an open policy of cultivating Israel. That is very largely a factor of Turkey now having a different kind of government, and cash too.

  16. April Showers

    16 May, 2013 - 1:07 pm

    ‘Most reports of the incident state that many of the victims were shot from above, from helicopters, so they could hardly have been targeted.’

    That statement is completely wrong.

    Gaza flotilla activists were shot in head at close range
    Exclusive: Nine Turkish men on board Mavi Marmara were shot a total of 30 times, autopsy results reveal

    Robert Booth
    The Guardian, Friday 4 June 2010 22.00 BST

    Israel was tonight under pressure to allow an independent inquiry into its assault on the Gaza aid flotilla after autopsy results on the bodies of those killed, obtained by the Guardian, revealed they were peppered with 9mm bullets, many fired at close range.

    Nine Turkish men on board the Mavi Marmara were shot a total of 30 times and five were killed by gunshot wounds to the head, according to the vice-chairman of the Turkish council of forensic medicine, which carried out the autopsies for the Turkish ministry of justice today.

    The results revealed that a 60-year-old man, Ibrahim Bilgen, was shot four times in the temple, chest, hip and back. A 19-year-old, named as Fulkan Dogan, who also has US citizenship, was shot five times from less that 45cm, in the face, in the back of the head, twice in the leg and once in the back. Two other men were shot four times, and five of the victims were shot either in the back of the head or in the back, said Yalcin Buyuk, vice-chairman of the council of forensic medicine.

    /..
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/04/gaza-flotilla-activists-autopsy-results

  17. Kempe

    Precisely. The only ship which was reflagged was the only one on which there were murders. Including the other Turkish ship, on which there were no murders, and which the Turkish government had not made reflagged.

    Most of the dead were shot in the head at close range. Unlike you, I have interviewed eyewitnesses.

  18. Turkey is playing a dangerous game; residual Ottoman empire aspirations. The fact that it was humiliated by her so called “friend” ie zionistan, and in response stopped talking to the ziofuckwits is a shame that Turkish government will find difficult to live with (Turks have a long memory).

    However the traitorous behaviour of the Turkish government does not lie only in allowing her nationals to be targeted and killed by the rabid, out of control ziofuckwits, whose barbaric behaviour seemingly is a point of pride to be boasted about by the said ziofuckwits (the same predatory tossers have 400 nuclear and thermonuclear war heads and the delivery mechanism thereof).

    As we debate Turkish government is playing the conduit to the Qatari supplied weapons into Syria, and the war in Syria is gradually spilling onto the Turkish soil, as in the latest bombings in a border town which was not all that widely reported by the Western Corporate Media.

    History shall not deal kindly with those sponsors and syanim who helped the rabid out of control ziofuckwits to carry on with their war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes against peace.

    Comoros Islands ought to be congratulated for their stance, in view of the fact that pusillanimous Nato, Turkish. Cypriot et al, playedg roll over and let the ziofuckwits to get away with yet more murderous atrocities.

  19. doug scorgie

    16 May, 2013 - 2:14 pm

    The Wikipedia entry under “Gaza flotilla raid” appears to be the work of hasbara agents.

    “This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page.”

    “An editor has expressed a concern that this article lends undue weight to certain ideas, incidents, controversies or matters relative to the article subject as a whole. Please help to create a more balanced presentation. Discuss and resolve this issue before removing this message. (October 2011)”

    “A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia’s content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (October 2011)”

    “The neutrality of this article is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved. (October 2011)”

    “This article may be unbalanced towards certain viewpoints.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid

  20. “It relates to the particular politics of Turkey”

    Well, in effect what you are describing is a Turkish “Deep/Secret State”, in reality not so different to that our own one that is known to have targeted Harold Wilson to a dirty tricks campaign, run by officers and ex-officers of MI5, MI6 etc.

    No doubt our “Deep/Secret State” is still operating stronger than ever, despite our veneer of “parliamentary democracy”, which begs the question can democratic governments ever be free from ultimate “Deep/Secret State” control ?

    No need for an off-topic debate, just pointing out that Turkey is not unique in this respect.

    Still confused about the 360 degree turn-around of Greece & Cyprus; yes, possibly to spite Turkey, and yes probably for monetary reasons, no surprise given their recent economic problems; still I would like to think that the overwhelming majority of ordinary Greeks & Cypriots do support the struggle of the Palestinians as they have always done.

  21. Still confused about the 360 degree turn-around of Greece & Cyprus…?

    Plausible analysis here:

    http://electronicintifada.net/content/how-greece-abandoned-palestine/10171

  22. Well Craig those self same witnesses have gone on record as saying that two of those killed were hit by machine gun fire from Israeli helicopters before the commandos even landed on the ship. They won’t help their case if they keep changing their story.

    Killings/murders/assassinations aside four ships flying the flag of NATO member states were boarded and captured in international waters and the crews assaulted. That ought to have been enough by itself to trigger an international incident.

  23. Thanks for the link Komodo; makes interesting & bleak reading, at least the corrupt George Papandreou is no longer in power, but I guess it’s still that ““Deep/Secret State” factor at work again !

  24. Macky, it seems likely to me that the PASOK government of Greece, legendarily pusillanimous, was simply obliging friends in high places, in the hope that financial aid would be forthcoming.

    As to the “deep state” theory, comrade Occam, taking a look at Erdogan’s record would probably settle for the probability that he was “running with the Palestinian hare and hunting with the Israeli hounds.” As he so often does. Right now he is weeping copiously about the troubles of the Syria people, even while he provides explosives to car bombers and bases for imperialism’s cannibal legions.

  25. With the Papandreous, as with the Bushes, I think there might be an element of the son wilfully taking the opposite direction to the father. So no doubt Junior surrounded himself with all the people Dad had kept at arms’ length.

    And Greece is this paranoid about Turkey …

    http://euobserver.com/defence/115513

    I’d have thought being bankrupt and having nothing special in the way of products was as good a defence against invasion as any. Well, that’s the way to get there.

  26. “Well Craig those self same witnesses have gone on record as saying that two of those killed were hit by machine gun fire from Israeli helicopters before the commandos even landed on the ship. They won’t help their case if they keep changing their story.”

    Source links please !

    You will understand the need, given that your previous statement of “‘Most reports of the incident state that many of the victims were shot from above, from helicopters, so they could hardly have been targeted.’, doesn’t seem to fit in too well with the autopsy reports showing that, as Craig has already told you, most of the dead were shot in the head at close range.

  27. Gruesome and shocking details of the killings is best explained by the report of the UN HRC report on the matter. The report was adopted by the 15th session of the Commission in September 2010. Para 170 reads as follows:

    The circumstances of the killing of at least six of the passengers were in a manner consistent with an extra-legal, arbitrary and summary execution.

    Report available here
    Summary here

    There is little doubt that the Mavi Mamara killings have severely dampened enthusiasm for further such protests – arguably the rationale for the killings – and so far, for all the huffing and puffing, Israel has not paid a serious price for its viciousness (when has it ever done?). The Zionist State knows it can get away with blatant murder whenever it suits – so that’s exactly what it does. Plus ca change?

    Best of luck the Comoros with the case, but I won’t be holding my breath.

  28. Erdoğan has to deal with the fact that Turkey is majority Sunni, but has a sizeable, and hitherto peaceful, Shi’a minority. He has borders with Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Azerbaijan -oil-rich and being purposefully subverted by Israel. He would be unwise to favour parties identifiable with either sect unduly, especially as he has relaxed Turkey’s policies towards its religious tendency and has to watch his back for the ultras and the army.

    The Iraq invasion set something of a precedent for the West destabilising countries by setting Sunni against Shi’a, enthusiastically helped by the mad fundamentalists of both sides of that divide. Erdoğan probably doesn’t want that to happen at home, and Syria is very near home. He may now be regretting deviating from the purely secular state which Kemal founded.

  29. “And Greece is this paranoid about Turkey …”

    No, not necessarily; I would say that your link is just high-lighting a well-known fact, that the “arms industry” is just a blatant racket; think of it as a money laudering operation in which money from everybody’s taxes is transferred to line the pockets of everybody connected with the “”arms industry”; just think of how many of our own ex-mps suddenly become employed by weapons makers on leaving office.

    As per your linked article, financial blackmail, as much as corruption, is all part & parcel of the “arms industry”;

    “No one is saying ‘Buy our warships or we won’t bail you out.’ But the clear implication is that they will be more supportive if we do.”

  30. @Alister

    Thanks. Will settle down with it this evening.

  31. April Showers

    16 May, 2013 - 3:27 pm

    O/T but ref Prof Hawking and the Israeli boycott from a Palestinian’s perspective.

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/05/israel-hawking-and-the-pressing-question-of-boycott/

  32. No-one is saying ” we can’t afford to buy your warships”, either, are they? But that is indisputably true. Now if the EU had pushed the surplus beet crop at Greece in the same way, do you think Greece would have accepted? Maybe you do. Anyway, some bailout they got for their pains! The EU will be going house-to-house for gold fillings next…

    I think if you visit Greece or South Cyprus ( Kıbrıs…heh…) you’ll be able to confirm the paranoia, anyway. And confirm that a perceived external threat continues to make patriots of them all.

  33. April Showers

    16 May, 2013 - 3:47 pm

    Also O/T Ian Katz Dep Ed Guardian leaves to join BBC !?!

    ian katz
    @iankatz1000
    Deputy Editor, The Guardian
    London · guardian.co.uk/profile/iankatz

    ian katz ian katz ‏@iankatz1000 14m
    …but will miss brilliant colleagues and friends at @guardian who have made last 23 years best fun you can have without breaking the law

    ian katz ian katz ‏@iankatz1000 14m
    Thrilled to join talented team at @BBCNewsnight, one of most precious bits of British cultural landscape. Hope to make you stay up for it

  34. April Showers

    16 May, 2013 - 3:50 pm

    As editor of Newsnight in fact.

    16 May 2013
    Ian Katz appointed Newsnight editor
    Newsnight is BBC’s Two flagship news programme

    The Guardian’s Ian Katz has been appointed editor of BBC Newsnight, replacing Peter Rippon who left the programme in the wake of the Jimmy Savile crisis.

    Rippon was in charge of Newsnight when an investigation into child abuse by Jimmy Savile was dropped in late 2011.

    Katz has worked at The Guardian since 1990 and is now its deputy editor.

    Jamie Angus, Newsnight’s acting deputy editor, is the new editor of Radio 4’s Today programme.

    Katz will take over at Newsnight in July from Karen O’Connor, who has been the BBC Two programme’s acting editor since November.

    “I’m incredibly excited to be joining a programme I’ve watched and loved all my adult life,” said Katz.

    “It’s had serious and well publicised problems over the last year but I’m looking forward to working with the hugely talented team to make it once again the world’s most intelligent, sophisticated and exciting news programme.”

    The Jimmy Savile abuse scandal was revealed in an ITV documentary in October 2012.

    Soon after it was revealed that Newsnight had begun an investigation into the late former BBC presenter, but had dropped it in the early stages.

    After the publication of a blog post explaining his editorial decision to end the Savile investigation was found to have factual errors, Rippon was asked to “step aside” while an inquiry was held.

    He has since taken up a new role developing the online BBC News archive.

  35. April Showers

    16 May, 2013 - 4:07 pm

    Do you remember that travesty of a programme made by Jane Corbin of the BBC – Death in the Med – about the attack on the Mavi Marmara?

    http://jfjfp.com/?p=16611

  36. @Komodo

    Erdoğan was sent to jail, and his backwards thinking and even creating a new constitution is starting to cause issues. This subject, I would have to say, I am particularly biased about. My spouse and my in-laws are all Turkish. All of them have issues when it comes to the current government – Erdoğan and the AKP.

    Traditionally, the military has always been the protector of a secular government, but what was touted in the West as a ‘coup’ by the media, was in my opinion, the current governments way of protecting itself against their ouster. The government there is using Islam to keep some sort of appeasement with conservatives and to advance their agenda of Neo-Ottomanism. By throwing all the military leaders in jail, and some journalists, who protects Kemalism now? I’ve always seen Turkey as an example in the middle east of how to keep religion and government separate, and now it’s turning backwards.

    http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21571147-once-all-powerful-turkish-armed-forces-are-cowed-if-not-quite-impotent-erdogan-and-his

    http://www.freedomhouse.org/article/number-imprisoned-journalists-turkey-nearly-doubles

  37. Think you have to factor in the Pentagon earthquakes which got rid of the Ecevit government after the one in Izmet in 1999, and then got the Muslim-led one of Erdogan to work with the Zionists at home and abroad after the ones at Lake Van.

    Space and undersea weapons are the ones of choice by Washington now.

  38. “No-one is saying ” we can’t afford to buy your warships”, either, are they? ”

    Of course not, which is the point; you are not going to say “no I can’t afford your kick-back string” when your entire future financial survival bail-out deal is dependent on ” the clear implication is that they will be more supportive if we do.”

  39. April Showers: There’s an entire chapter on the programme ‘Panorama – Death in the Med’ in the book I linked to earlier. It concludes by accusing Jane Corbin of libelling the organisers, passengers and especially the victims.

  40. @Trowbridge H. Ford

    What’s your opinion about HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program)?

  41. @Alister

    Is there anything in the book that explains why those murdered may have been targeted?

  42. Alistair

    I was thinking of downloading the book. But one of the reviewers says that not only is the writer anonymous, but the publishers are anonymous too.

    “They may have their reasons. But then why not explain the reasons? Why not say whether they are one individual or more? Why not say that one or more of them were on the Mavi Marmara? Why not say something about their backgrounds that gives us more confidence that they know what they are talking about? Even the publisher appears not to exist.”

    Do you know who they are? Or why there is not more known about them?

  43. Spaulding, I think that HAARP is a very powerful weapon to modify the weather, especially changing tropical storms into cyclones and hurricanes, but it is nowhere as useful as satellite and submarine-based lasers- what have caused havoc in Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, and China, and in the Indian Ocean in 2004 and off Japan last year.

    Posters wanting to confuse people generally mix up how they work, and what they have achieved.

    Am now going through Jeff Herz’s book about Beams, and shall be writing about how they work in lasers in due course.

  44. doug scorgie

    16 May, 2013 - 6:10 pm

    Kempe
    16 May, 2013 – 1:00 pm

    “Most reports of the incident state that many of the victims were shot from above, from helicopters, so they could hardly have been targetted.” [Sic]

    Well if “most reports state that many of the victims were shot from above…” you can supply a few references can you not?

    I know you won’t because your statement is not true is it?

    “Gaza flotilla activists were shot in head at close range”

    “Nine Turkish men on board the Mavi Marmara were shot a total of 30 times and five were killed by gunshot wounds to the head, according to the vice-chairman of the Turkish council of forensic medicine, which carried out the autopsies for the Turkish ministry of justice today.”

    “The results revealed that a 60-year-old man, Ibrahim Bilgen, was shot four times in the temple, chest, hip and back. A 19-year-old, named as Fulkan Dogan, who also has US citizenship, was shot five times from less that 45cm, in the face, in the back of the head, twice in the leg and once in the back. Two other men were shot four times, and five of the victims were shot either in the back of the head or in the back, said Yalcin Buyuk, vice-chairman of the council of forensic medicine.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/04/gaza-flotilla-activists-autopsy-results

  45. doug scorgie

    16 May, 2013 - 6:15 pm

    April Showers

    Sorry I posted my comment before reading your post.

  46. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/04/gaza-flotilla-attack-autopsy-results

    http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/15session/A.HRC.15.21_en.pdf

    Should be enough to be getting on with.

    As Indigo says is there any evidence those killed were high ranking or important IHH officials rather than just rank and file supporters who were in the wrong place?

    Nine people died. Does shifting the country of registration really make any significant difference? Would the usually very secretive Israelis take the Turks into their confidence? Why would the Turks co-operate if they did? What was in it for them?

  47. Trowbridge H Ford

    I have just been to your website. Some of the stuff is OK, but there is more than a hint of pseudo-scientific drivel. It is even more important to use your critical faculties when you are being told something you are happy to believe. One way to undermine the truth is to stick it on the same page as a load of crap.

  48. Well sleuthed Craig, what also must not be discounted is a collaborative effort of old connection going back to the late 1940’s, the close links between Turkish and Israeli Mafiosi, ever so often collaborating with military and secret service or foreign offices.

    Both, the Ultra right wing grey wolfs and the PKK operate major drug operations and European markets via Turkey, they are in direct competition/confrontation with Russian Mafiosi and Albanian crime families, all vying for lucrative markets.

    They would think nothing of threatening officials into making it hard for the MM to leave, make it appear as ‘something else’. Turkey has got form in hiding its most ardent criminals in Government, Ms. Ciller can vouch for that.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susurluk_scandal

  49. Dreoilin: Yes, there are two reviews, and the reviewers say they haven’t read the book, but demand to know who’s behind it. Zionist trolls methinks. I personally don’t think it’s reprehensible for the writer(s)/publishers to not broadcast where they can be found if they’re taking on the establishment over something like this. Look at what happens to whistleblowers, Occupy activists etc when those in power think they should be dealt with! The ‘reviewers’ – who don’t review the book – are trying to find out who’s publishing this evidence, so maybe that’s supportive of publisher anonymity. Or maybe they’re trying to put people like you off reading books like this!

  50. @Dreoilin

    I too just went to have a look and have the same questions; no information on search engines about said author or publisher. As one reviewer says that doesn’t necessarily mean anything but why the anonymity? Interested to see, though, what Amazon had written in the spiel it uses to sell …

    “Alaithiran Ali is an investigative journalist, human rights campaigner and political activist, concerned with the rise of militarism in the West, its assault on the rule of law, and the propaganda lies that accompany its attendant human rights abuses”.

    Do they know something we don’t? Doubt it. They’re just interested in non-taxable profit.

  51. doug scorgie

    16 May, 2013 - 6:37 pm

    A must watch documentary trailer:

    http://www.valentinosghost.com/

  52. doug scorgie

    16 May, 2013 - 6:53 pm

    Kempe
    16 May, 2013 – 6:21 pm

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/04/gaza-flotilla-attack-autopsy-results

    http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/15session/A.HRC.15.21_en.pdf

    “Should be enough to be getting on with.”

    Those links do not back-up anything you said earlier; in fact they prove you wrong. Why have you refered to them? Playing games?

    You said:

    “Most reports of the incident state that many of the victims were shot from above…”

    The links you give prove what you said to be a lie.

  53. ‘Since the Ergenekon investigation began five years ago, hundreds of people, including academics, journalists and social activists have been placed under lengthy pre-trial detention.’

    http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/06/29/us-turkey-army-idINBRE85S0C620120629

    Gotta love that. Round up voices of dissent, and make sure no one of credibility investigates…

  54. Any examples, MarkU, about what is true, and what is crap, according to you?

    Without them, you claims are just more crap too.

    And btw, codshit.com is not my site, nor is any other, as I have none. Sites just post what they find of mine that they find interesting.

  55. “Look at what happens to whistleblowers …. Or maybe they’re trying to put people like you off reading books like this!”

    Maybe they are but I’ve already read the accounts of the Irish who were on board, so I have a pretty good idea of how it all panned out. The charges the FCO made against Craig didn’t put me off reading his book. Of course, I knew who he was, and that helped. I’m not in the habit of reading anonymous accounts of contentious matters like the attack on the Mavi Marmara – contentious because Israel lied about it, and the MSM repeated their lies before the accounts of the victims could be published.
    I take it from your reply that you don’t know who the author(s) are either.

  56. doug scorgie

    16 May, 2013 - 7:19 pm

    alistair
    16 May, 2013 – 6:26 pm

    “Dreoilin: Yes, there are two reviews, and the reviewers say they haven’t read the book, but demand to know who’s behind it.”

    “Zionist trolls methinks.”

    I doubt it Alistair.

    One of the reviewers for the book is Paul Larudee.

    See what the Zionist web site Israellycool says about him.

    http://www.israellycool.com/2006/06/06/the-loathsome-paul-larudee/

    See also:

    http://www.israellycool.com/2012/12/30/freeing-india-of-paul-larudee/

  57. Off topic. An Afghan friend of mine was killed in Kabul today in another act of senseless violence. He was walking to work and was killed when a VBIED..Vehicle Bourne Improvised Explosive Device, in other words a car bomb, detonated behind an American military convoy, killing 2 American soldiers and several contractors, as well as 2 children on their way to school and several other innocent people just going about thier daily business. 26 other people are in hospital, 9 not expected to survive. I heard the explosion from my house here in Kabul at 8.10 this morning and got a call at 10am from his brother to inform me that he was a casualty. I was prevented initially from entering District 8, the area of the explosion, by American soldiers..probably because they were making sure there was not going to be another bomb about to go off. After 5 minuites of arguments at the top of my voice with a brainless GI, they let me through. Utter carnage and devastation. At 8pm this evening we were able to recover his body and make sure the family had him back to perform the rites as per his faith. Reading some of the above comments and being a follower of Craig’s blog I realise how little some of the commentators know about the real world, especially viewed from an armchair in a safe country. Israel and Turkey in a conspiracy theory, probably, but at the moment, here in Afghanistan, my heart weeps.

  58. Zio-BBC 6 0-Clock News go large on Syria and chemical weapons -Yawn! The hole these serial liars and propaganda merchants are digging for themselves will be their final resting place.

    Spraying shit from a TV-Screen, as The Jam once put it.

    Jeremy Bowen was in the studio like some nodding dog after a whipping. Does anyone out there still think he’s one of the good guys? All his reports seem to toe an establishment line; his anger, a while back, over the Israeli bombardment of the Gaza Concentration Camps’s detainees, seemed to me more in connection with his not being allowed in to give us the Israeli ‘surgical strikes’ claptrap from nearer the scene, rather than justifiable outrage at the slaughter dished out to the helpless by these vicious Israeli psychopaths.

    As the Turkish and Israeli military are effectively one organisation, with Israel in the driving seat of this strange and lop-sided alliance, is Israel then a de facto NATO member?

    BD & S should expand to quarantine and blockade till these Zionist scum are rooted out.

    The world cannot move on from this impasse till Israel is dealt a knockout punch.

    That time draws ever closer, place your bets ladies and gents, How long has Israel left?

  59. Duqu, 11.09am

    Thanks for posting that. I had heard of this before, but I don’t think most readers here took it in.

    Can you please post some links that show Anna Ardin and Niklas Svensson’s involvement in the Gaza Flotilla?

    Thanks.

  60. Frazer,

    I’m deeply sorry you lost your friend. You’re correct, most commentators are not on the ground, nor will they ever be.

    I watch VICE on HBO, and they recently did an article about boy suicide bombers that are as young as 8. These boys are being told that the vests they are putting on contain secret documents. They are told to press a button on the vest to destroy infidels, but they won’t be hurt. They went on to interview some who have been arrested, and showed the carnage. Most of the casualties are Muslims and and other civilians. These tactics are new, and indicate that the Taliban is escalated bombing its campaign.

    As you have experienced today’s events, do you feel that the bombing are getting better or worse? Do you notice or feel that most killed are not with the government or the ISAF?

  61. @Cryptonym

    “That time draws ever closer, place your bets ladies and gents, How long has Israel left?”

    A lot of time. An incredible amount of time, unless another state wants to lob some nukes. Israel, like the Palestinians are not going anywhere.

    Your moaning does absolutely nothing except place blame and take a side. Bitch all you want, it does nothing to solve the age old dilemma. BTW, when was the last time you were delivering aid, or helping the innocents?

  62. Duqu at 11.09 a.m. My first thoughts too were of Anna Ardin. Her recent criticism of anti-Jewish factions linked by Jemand on the Anna Ardin liar thread which I am re-linking here for those who missed it.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/i-was-targeted-after-i-made-assange-sex-crime-claim-says-accuser-of-wikileaks-founder-8613006.html

    Remember that Ardin was a co-ordinator for Sweden’s “Aid to Gaza” programme.

  63. place your bets ladies and gents, How long has Israel left?

    That grotesque Rothschild attempt in owning his own country, has been an utter failure. As it stands zionistan without the handouts from US tax funds, could not survive more than a few weeks.

    Simply put the rabid racist ziofuckwits are already engaged in an internal struggle, that coupled with the withdrawal of the funds provided by US tax payers (US itself is imploding) will result in the destruction of that bastard entity.

    Recollecting that no one could envisage the collapse of USSR, hence we can safely assume the same can be applied to the collapse of US.

    The signs of collapse are already there, as in the case of USSR its collapse started from the satellite countries, as in Poland, Romania, etc. Now we witness the same pattern with the satellite countries such as Greece, Cyprus, Spain, Portugal, etc. Therefore we can safely conclude the collapse of US, and thereafter (chicken or the egg situation really) zionistan is a question of when? Not if.

  64. @Spalding…thanks..the guys from VICE were over here a few weeks ago..escorted them around KBL..believe the vid is released in Sept..

  65. @Fedup

    What about the fall of many European nations? They are all still there, from losing wars and colonies to going bankrupt. England, Germany, France, Holland, Spain, Portugal, on and on…. They’re still on the map.

    My friend works for a technology company (not Jewish owned) which is traded in Israel, and has a serious presence there due to popularity amongst consumers. A very large company I used to work for has bought the only product available (for the business need) which runs on MS SQL Server developed and sold world wide by an Israeli tech company. My point is, I don’t see (in my world) them failing economically.

    BTW, what are Israel’s satellite countries? Have they failed? How about the US and it’s satellites? If you’re in Europe aren’t you in some regard a satellite?

  66. @Spalding

    I don’t do ziofuckwits!

  67. That’s awesome, I’m not, but I live in the real world. I’m sure the ‘ziofuckwits’ will be pleased to know you ‘don’t do them’….

    You really believe the collapse of Israel and the ‘ziofuckwits’ (I can only guess who they are especially in your mind as you must rubber stamp that label) will change the world, or better yet, it may bring justice to your world view. Will you rejoice when any person is suffering, on any side?

  68. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    16 May, 2013 - 9:56 pm

    @ John Goss (20h43):

    “….Anna Ardin. Her recent criticism of anti-Jewish factions….”
    ———-

    Tut tut, John!

    Surely you mean “anti-Zionist factions”….don’t you?

    April Showers will be most displeased with you.

  69. Spalding @8:36pm:

    I was talking about our precious media vomiting tedious spin about human rights whilst turning a blind eye to the number one regional lawless serial transgressor.

    I’m not sure where you’re coming from: are you on right page of your script?

    What is the ‘the age old dilemma”? I’d hardly say the 65-year crime spree of the Israeli thugs is anything like age old and yes I doubt it can last much longer. And are you seriously suggesting there are two sides to this which deserve consideration?

    You’re damned right that I’m placing blame and taking the only ‘side’ that counts, it couldn’t be more clear cut that it is the side of right. Your point is a species of ‘one lot is just as bad as the other’, therefore we should walk away shrugging our shoulders.

    I’m had thought I was asking the same question as many, how does the genuinely free or non-aligned world deal with a nuclear-armed rogue state, cornered and guilty as hell.

    I won’t be playing your ‘holier than thou’ top-trump game either, thanks for the offer.

  70. Sophie Habbercake

    16 May, 2013 - 10:29 pm

    Dad!

    How hard do you have to train to be to such to write that stuff?

    “Jew-haters” was a quote from Anna Ardin. If you had bothered to click the link you’d have seen this in no time.

    Don’t your posts say far more about you than they ever say about your targets?

    No wonder your handlers find you an such embarrassment.

  71. “Tut tut, John!”

    Habbabkuk you should have read the article. It was not me that used the phrase anti-Jewish but Anna Ardin. Pay attention. Just when I think you are getting a degree of lucidity, you let me down. Tut, tut.

    My credentials regarding Jewish individuals and Zionist manipulators were made clear in a comment on the 13th (BBC thread) 2.44 p.m.

    “The BBC, and other media news outlets have radicalised me in a way they could not have done before the false flag (BBC complicit in that) of 9/11 which, as the late Aaron Russo so eloquently explained, Muslim groups did not have the capability to pull off 9/11 and where have been the subsequent 9/11 type sabotages. “Come on” he said. I say the same to Craig Murray who is the last sensible person who does not think 9/11 was an inside job.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZjKKUEHTKk

    There are other sources, like Wesley Clark, but because Aaron Russo was also Jewish, he had no reason to question the official version. It also demonstrates that I am not anti-Jewish – just anti-Zionist.”

    For some reason you missed this.

  72. With respect to Anne Ardin, I was just reading about June Cobb, a CIA infiltrator in Castro’s government and in the Fair Play for Cuba Committee.

  73. Sophie Habbercake

    16 May, 2013 - 10:34 pm

    Correction.

    How hard do you have to train to write that stuff?

    At first it was going to be “to be such an idiot” but I tried to be a bit kinder and screwed up as usual.

  74. ‘What is the ‘the age old dilemma”? I’d hardly say the 65-year crime spree of the Israeli thugs is anything like age old and yes I doubt it can last much longer. And are you seriously suggesting there are two sides to this which deserve consideration?’

    Yes, I am. Forget about the nation state, Israel, and even Palestine. How far back would you like me to go? You know there were Jews in the Arabian peninsula back when the Arabian tribes were worshiping gods? They lived in relative peace, but things could (and did) get out of hand. Same thing before the turn of the century and Zionists movements. This just came up in a Google search makes some brief history points, which are not ancient:

    http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch17jeru.html

    So what’s the dilemma? Well if both sides had their ‘tribes’ there for a long period of time, and religion is a dividing line, and there has always been conflicts, then Choosing a side DOES NOTHING to solve the problems each has in order to bring some form of a universal peace. If Israel failed, do you really think the entire region would experience some sort of lasting peace? Does it matter, historically, who is right and wrong? If we’re for things such as human rights, self determination, general health and well being, etc. then taking a side to the issue is going to only make the other side become more hard lined, and unwilling to negotiate, isn’t it?

  75. Sophie Habbercake. Like minds. Yes it was Jew-haters that Anna called them. Well spotted. Thanks for your support. Sorry about the domestic rift but I guess it must be difficult living in the same house as a, what shall we call him . . . you decide.

  76. Frazer
    16 May, 2013 – 7:49 pm

    I offer my sympathy

    “Reading some of the above comments and being a follower of Craig’s blog I realise how little some of the commentators know about the real world.”

    I agree with you there.

  77. Spalding – thanks for the insight re. Turkey. Love the country and the people – pity about the government…could say the same about the UK, but Erdogan would probably be an improvement on anything we’ve got…
    (O/T for lulz)
    …one example of which hasn’t been filing its company returns in Arizona – who knew?

    http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/corp-detail.p?name-id=F16741348

    I hope he and Ruth (remember her?) are very happy in their new home for US tax purposes at 409 PROSPECT ST
    NEW HAVEN,CT 06511

    Click on REVOKED-FILE ANNUAL REPORT on that page for more details.

  78. Spalding
    16 May, 2013 – 8:24 pm

    “Frazer,”

    “I’m deeply sorry you lost your friend. You’re correct, most commentators are not on the ground, nor will they ever be.”

    I agree and you are one of them.

  79. Spalding, on another thread, claimed he worked for this crowd

    http://www.atf.gov/

    (unless I misread him)

    and he says he’s thinking of becoming a private contractor. I wonder what outfit he has in mind.

  80. Sophie Habbercake

    16 May, 2013 - 11:46 pm

    I’ll take a break for a moment from tormenting Dad.

    Frazer. My heart aches for you and for all those who are paying the cruel price of losing dear ones to the deliberate actions of others, for whatever the cause.

    Please don’t be too hard on your fellow commenters. We may not all be experiencing the the harshest end of reality but aren’t we mostly, and in our own unique ways, taking a stand for a fairer and more compassionate world? Isn’t this blog a refreshing crowd-sourced attempt to point out false narratives and elite agendas, and a step in the right direction?

    The few notable exceptions, like Dad, may as well be crude, predictable little algorythms, simply set to reject, distract and sneer. Their targets are clearly chosen because they are the ones who genuinely shed light on issues that the corporate media either avoid or distort.

    For my part I find I cope better with the wreckers when I can recast them as entertainers. Then they don’t derail me from taking home the bounty of people like you who quite clearly care deeply.

  81. Frazer,
    My heart goes out to you and to the poor guy’s family and other friends. And to the families of the other victims.

  82. April Showers

    17 May, 2013 - 3:06 am

    Frazer My sympathy and condolences too. Terrible.

    John Goss. Sorry to see that the resident clown found it necessary to chide you using my name in the process even though I was not around last night. He just can’t help himself. I would never be ‘displeased’ with you.

    Komodo. Brilliant find on B.Liar, the instigator, along with his pal Bush, of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. He has the deaths and maiming of millions on his hands. I suggest a cold cell on a cold island for him with a tape of the screams of his victims playing on a loop 24/7.

    This piece speculates on the effect his fame had on his children’s lives.

    ‘When I read Leo Abse’s biography of Tony Blair, one detail struck me in particular: an aide claimed that Mr Blair, in his official car, was forever checking the vanity mirror. It came back to me yesterday when I read that the former prime minister has confessed in an interview to being so out of touch with his family that he never knew his children suffered at school because of their famous father.’

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/cristinaodone/100216348/on-reflection-tony-you-were-not-the-great-family-man/

  83. http://nsnbc.me/2012/05/29/turkey-indictment-of-israel-over-gaza-flotilla-killings-of-nine-turks-covering-up-for-turkey-israel-co-operation-in-murders-and-preparations-of-war-on-syria/.

    IIRC nsnbc had a local connection who made the Syria link.

    It was some time before it was obvious RE was putting on a big act.

  84. When I started writing I had intended to include the Anna Ardin link to the convoy organisation. Given her links to CIA sponsored anti-Castro organisations in Cuba and Miami, and her apparent Israeli settler persona as Anna Ben Ardin, and the Independent article linked to above by John Goss in which she characterises those who have called her out as anti-Jewish, her involvement with the convoy had always seemed to me highly suspicious.

    But, despite being told of it on many occasions, I have never seen a really good source for Ardin’s connection to the Gaza aid convoy, and none of the Turkish organisers knew of her. So sources, please…

  85. Thanks for the info from Turkey Spalding.

    My condolences to Frazer and the family of his lost friend, as well as to the families of all the other casualties, what futility, waste of young life’s and long term grief.

  86. April Showers

    17 May, 2013 - 8:43 am

    Komodo B.Liar’s faithful right hand woman Ruth Turner was to become a mother at the age of 41. The father is Matthew Taylor, chief executive of the Royal Society of Arts and an ex B.Liar aide.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2172984/RICHARD-KAY-Blair-babe-Ruth-starts-family.html

    Cash for honours –
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1557289/Cash-for-honours-aide-Ruth-Turner-rejoins-Blair.html

    What a shower! as Terry Thomas would have said.

  87. So what’s the dilemma? Well if both sides had their ‘tribes’ there for a long period of time, and religion is a dividing line, and there has always been conflicts, then Choosing a side DOES NOTHING to solve the problems each has in order to bring some form of a universal peace. If Israel failed, do you really think the entire region would experience some sort of lasting peace? Does it matter, historically, who is right and wrong? If we’re for things such as human rights, self determination, general health and well being, etc. then taking a side to the issue is going to only make the other side become more hard lined, and unwilling to negotiate, isn’t it?

    A rational and valid POV. Once again, the argument tends towards establishing internationally accepted standards of behaviour and enforcing them impartially-lol. Or pulling out of the region altogether and leaving them to it. In an ideal world…

    On the other hand, in the special case of Israel (it never tires of telling us how special it is), there is a nation which on the one hand claims to be an exemplar of civilisation, humanity and justice, and on the other routinely bombs the most densely populated area on earth (Gaza) and imprisons thousands of Palestinians – its own citizens – indefinitely, without even preferring formal charges. In other words it behaves like Assad, (who does not make a song and dance about Syria’s shining beacon of democracy)

    I think it is legitimate to question its policy in the strongest terms, precisely because ” we’re for things such as human rights, self determination, general health and well being, etc.”, and, on paper, so is Israel. It’s our moral code that’s being used as cover for land theft, ethnic cleansing and the general bullying of non-Jewish Israelis, and the walled prison that is Gaza. We have a special interest in this.

  88. Not sure if you caught this, Mary –
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/9859780/Revealed-Tony-Blair-and-the-oligarch-bankrolling-his-charity.html

    So
    Windrush Ventures Ltd,
    Windrush Ventures No.2 LLP*
    Windrush Ventures No.3 LP**
    Firerush Ventures Ltd,
    Firerush Ventures No.2 LLP*
    Firerush Ventures No.3 LP**….

    aren’t contributing to the Rev’s noble work?

    * Financial dodge instituted during the Blair gov’t
    ** Not the same thing. Totally opaque dodge – doesn’t need to publish accounts at all.

  89. April Showers

    17 May, 2013 - 9:46 am

    News to me. Emetic stuff. B.Liar the war criminal seems to have a fatal attraction to these types and their shekels.

    Victor Pinchuk (Ukrainian: Віктор Михáйлович Пінчýк, Victor Mykhailovych Pinchuk; born December 14, 1960) is a Jewish-Ukrainian businessman and philanthropist. In March 2012, Forbes ranked him 255th on the list of the wealthiest people in the world, with a fortune of $4.2 billion.[1] Pinchuk is the founder and main owner of EastOne Group Ltd., an international investment advisory company based in London, and of Interpipe, one of Ukraine’s leading pipe, wheels and steel producers. Pinchuk is the owner of four TV channels and a popular tabloid, Fakty i Kommentarii. He has been a member of the Ukrainian parliament, the Verkhovna Rada, for two consecutive terms from 1998 to 2006. He is married to Olena Pinchuk, the daughter of former President of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma.

    Pinchuk should look nearer to his roots and use his money for better purposes than Phony Tony’s FF.
    http://www.ohchr.org/en/countries/ENACARegion/Pages/UAIndex.aspx

  90. And the Khazak connection. Seems Jimmy Wales is not above a little rewriting of history, either. Sorry, Khazak thread closed, so posting it here –

    http://wikipediocracy.com/2013/01/02/jimmy-wales-kazakhstan-tony-blair-and-wikipedia-a-timeline/

  91. “Syria crisis: Russia ‘sends sophisticated weapons'”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22565405

  92. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 May, 2013 - 12:34 pm

    @ April Showers :

    “John Goss. Sorry to see that the resident clown found it necessary to chide you using my name in the process even though I was not around last night.”
    ________

    I hadn’t realised that I needed to check whether you were online before daring to mention your name in a post. But glad to hear that you get out occasionally!

    *****

    “Komodo B.Liar’s faithful right hand woman Ruth Turner was to become a mother at the age of 41. The father is Matthew Taylor, chief executive of the Royal Society of Arts and an ex B.Liar aide.”
    ________

    Point being made?

    Are you turning into a gossip columnist?

    Stop wasting bandwidth and do please try to stay on-topic.

  93. April Showers

    17 May, 2013 - 12:51 pm

    It’s good to see one’s points repeated. It adds emphasis.

  94. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 May, 2013 - 1:03 pm

    @ John Goss;

    I wonder why Anna Ardin mentioned ‘Jew-haters’ amoung the categories of people who she alleges were persecuting her on the net?

    And I also wonder why you saw fit to mention only that category in your post? I can only imagine that you did so because this thread’s about the Mavi Marmara and that you are subscribing to the idea that the two ‘conspiracy’ theories (the Assange case and the Mavi Marmara case) are linked?

    ———-

    More generally, I think you might have to agree with me that there is an unpleasant whiff of anti-Jewishness per se around the contributions of several of the regular posters on this blog. It’s always explained as being anti-Zionism but I find it difficult to be convinced. It reminds me a little of David Irving, who on his blog always denies being anti-Jewish (even adducing as ‘evidence’ that he once employed a female Jewish assistant) but nevertheless loses no opportunity to single out societal offences such as fraud, embezzlement and so on committed by Jews. I do however exempt you from this charge.

    —————

    BTW, much as several posters have congratulated the Comoros on their ‘courageous’ stand in bringing the ICC case, I have still seen no explanation of the likely reasons for them having done so. Or was it just a sudden rush of ‘morality’ to the head of a state which, apparently, is happy to act as a flag state(like Liberia and others) for a variety of dubious reasons (cf para 2 of Craig’s lead-in post)? Just wondering.

  95. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    17 May, 2013 - 1:08 pm

    @ April Showers :

    Since you like emphasis, I’ll ask again : what was the point of mentioning the Ruth Turner has become a mother at age 41? And that the father was a former aid of the BLiar?

    I’m sure there’s an excellent point lurking there somewhere so don’t be shy!

  96. English Knight

    17 May, 2013 - 1:23 pm

    yiddery + yarmulkary + dershowitzery = Kempe,an extremely sad sayanim Sach!

    A trained hasbarista out of Starbucks Herzliya College !

    BTW – wasnt he told to FO by Craig?

  97. Of possible interest to former FCO people who might just be reading this blog…or writing it…

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10007640/How-Tony-Blair-courted-British-envoys-to-expand-his-foundations-influence.html

    I think the Torygraph (makes sign of cross) has the general idea. The TBFF’s sole purpose is to network for Tony. The consultancies and speaking engagements follow. Donors needing to sweeten their public image fund the TBFF: Tony does some very pricy consultancy, advice or speechifying, often for dictators wishing to sweeten their image: Tony’s cash is laundered through the Firerush/Windrush network, paying the bare minimum of tax or less. Some of it may even filter back to TBFF, but although Tony is upfront about the multitudinous good works with which he blesses our world every day, he is remarkably coy about the funding, apart from keeping a vaguely credible set of accounts for his visible ventures, if not the LP’s.

  98. doug scorgie

    17 May, 2013 - 1:45 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
    17 May, 2013 – 1:03 pm

    “I think you might have to agree with me that there is an unpleasant whiff of anti-Jewishness per se around the contributions of several of the regular posters on this blog.”

    Halfbaked, there is no “whiff of anti-Jewishness” here; it would not be tolerated. You, like all Zionists, conflate anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism (which itself is a misnomer anyway).

    “It reminds me a little of David Irving…”?

    I’m sure that most people on this blog know what your game is.

    “By Way Of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War”

  99. Craig 17 May, 2013 – 7:18 am

    The exact details of Anna Ardin’s involvement with the Gaza flotilla is difficult to assess from what’s freely available. What is known is that the Swedish ship in the flotilla was called the Sophia and that Anna Ardin was the telephone press contact through a “congested satellite phone” between the Brotherhood movement and the Sophia.

    http://kristenvanster.wordpress.com/2010/05/29/broderskapsrorelsen-twittrar-ombord-pa-ship-to-gaza/

    So she would have known the location of the flotilla and therefore that of the Mavi Marmara. This Radsoft site gives some links. Anna Ardin was not however at the embassy in Montevideo but in Buenos Aries.

    http://radsoft.net/rants/20111121,00.shtml

    Being able to prove that she passed on details to Israeli intelligence, directly or through Sweden’s own intelligence services, would be difficult. And, of course, there is a possibility that she may not have been involved at all.

    To my mind the most suspicious connection over aid to Gaza is her friendship with the journalist (or is it agent?) Niklas Svensson, as pointed out by one of your bloggers, Not Anna But Almost. Svensson managed to get right at the leading edge of the aid to Gaza and Mavi Marmara stories, having hopped on the same plane as the Swedes released from jail in Tel Aviv an hour before leaving. As the press contact Anna Ardin (and Peter Weiderud) had to make and pay for a swift booking for the released Swedes. Somehow, he claims he got details from Ben Gurion airport about which flight the Swedes were on. Svennson, who flew into Tel Aviv, got on the same plane and apparently broke the story.

    Three months later Anna’s journalist friend broke another front-page story – the multiple rape charges against Assange. He was drinking with Carl Bildt, another friend at the time, and rushed back to his office for the scoop. Your comment-maker suggests to get there they must have been travelling at 140 km / hour.

    I’m working on a story about Anna Ardin (mostly about her CIA connections) at the moment and any additional information regarding the flotilla and Ms Ardin would be welcome. Hope the above is of some help. I’m sure there is more on Flashback.

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