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Nevermind said;
You bet it is dead.
It is all Kafka now, and the slight of hand goes (as the rabbi pontificated on newsnight many years ago); “you cannot run into a packed theatre and shout fire”.
Why in hades would anyone run into and shout fire in a packed theatre, and call it “free speech”? Was never asked of the good rabbi. It is sufficient to say that whence lies and deceit no longer can pacify the great unwashed; out come the big sticks to beat them in to submission.
These sticks can also be metaphorical, such as childish interjection of the ziofuckwits, with the sole purpose of “educating” the few of the unwashed that have got away from the constant didactic media narratives. On the other, if these recalcitrant unwashed elements insist on their errant path proscribed by the hasbara “luminaries”. Then follows the bullying, and insults to be heaped upon the culprits whom have not acquiesced to their betters’ wishes!
Flaming June, ought to be proud of her prowess that she has two or more of these …….. ganging upon her to silence her. After all she just keeps on highlighting the inhumanity of the ziofuckwits and their crimes against; humanity, peace, international conventions and treaties.
Freedom of speech is dead under this fascist government.
There, I said it.
“Dreoilin
11 Jul, 2013 – 1:42 pm
“it must be the island mentality, or some other affliction, the ‘Irish problem’ or”
Villager is Irish?”
Hi Dreoilin, declaredly no, though i would have no problem in being one now or in my next life. I have Irish cousins though through inter-marriage in the wider family who i’m quite close to as friends. They are particularly warm, hospitable and genuinely sincere human beings who do not think even in nationalistic terms.
But see what is happening here, ever so subtly. The man without a mind is suddenly, reactively, yet subtly being racist now towards the Irish? This is how it all starts — and all these do-gooder pretender activists show us how they’re just that — intellectually dishonest pretenders who are going to make a better world for us! LOL
PS Yes, and thanks for hitting that S Korean one from Mary’s on its flaming head! Another unashamedly intellectually dishonest (im)poster.
Villager. I agree, but what we need to do is ban racist thoughts, using modern brain scanning techniques. Also, any schoolchildren expressing racist attitudes such as “Paddy” jokes need to be immediately excluded and taken to re-education clinics. It’s the only way to teach these English bastards.
Nevermind
10 Jul, 2013 – 5:24 pm
Your description of Numberwatch.co.uk is a slur, it would be good if you could retract. Btw what you are engaging in is a combination of argumentum ad hominem and a straw-man argument – the author denies global warming (he doesn’t), which makes him a bad person (in your opinion), which invalidates his specific argument which is not related to the theory of anthropogenic global warming. So you are sure it can be done? That’s alright then, no need for professors emeriti in scientific measurement to get involved 🙂
Agreed Anon – a précis of evidence:
Courtesy ‘Living In A Fascist Country’ – published by Blue Books.
1. A woman who read out the names of British soldiers who had died in Iraq was arrested.
2. An animal rights campaigner, peacefully inviting passers-by to look at his leaflets about vivisection was reported by the police for a breach of the 1824 Vagrancy Act because he `attempted to obtain or gather alms by exposing wounds or deformities’. It took three policemen and two community support officers to invoke the 1824 Act (which was originally designed to stop soldiers who had returned from the Napoleonic Wars displaying their tattered limbs in the street in an attempt to beg for money for food) and to take away the campaigners animal rights material.
3. A heckler who dared shout out Nonsense during a speech by the hideous Jack Straw at the 2005 Labour Party Conference was manhandled and forcibly ejected from the building by two stewards (one of them a professional bouncer). He had his security pass confiscated. The 82-year-old Jewish refugee of Nazi Germany, mildly diabetic and hard of hearing, was detained under the Terrorism Act when he tried to re-enter the hall.
4. A woman who wore a T-shirt carrying the words `Bollocks to Blair’ was taken away by police.
5. A woman who said on the radio that she did not believe homosexuals should be allowed to adopt children was contacted by the police who told her that she had been responsible for a homophobic incident – which they regarded as a priority crime.
6. When the Chinese leader last visited Britain, people concerned about China’s record on human rights wanted to protest peacefully. They were dragged away by police to avoid embarrassing the Chinese leader.
7. Six students at Lancaster University were prosecuted for demonstrating on their own campus. The students were charged with `aggravated trespass’ after they heckled at a corporate conference held in one of the University’s buildings attended by representatives of an arms dealer, an oil company and a drug company. The protestors, who were accused of interrupting a speech by Lord Sainsbury of Turville (the Labour Government’s Science Minister) said that they were concerned about the commercialisation of research. One of the students was arrested immediately after the protest, the other five were summonsed five months later.
8. The British Government has brought in endless European laws which are not wanted by the British people. It is planning to break up England into nine regions. No one has ever been given the opportunity to vote for this. Voters in the North East of England were given the chance to vote for or against a Regional Parliament. They rejected the Regional Parliament. But all nine new regions of England have had secret Parliaments for years. The vote was an undemocratic nonsense.
9. A footballer in Scotland was arrested for making the sign of the cross.
10. During the European elections a pensioner put up a poster on which he wrote: `Free speech for England. Don’t forget the 1945 war.’ He was arrested and charged with racially aggravated criminal damage.
11. There are around four million surveillance cameras in Britain. That is more than six per square mile. Only Monaco (where every square inch of the principality is under 24 hour Government video surveillance) has more cameras. It won’t be long before Britain catches up since our Government is having more cameras installed every day. The evidence shows that they don’t help the police catch criminals and they don’t prevent crime. CCTV cameras are the main reason why so many city-centre thugs now wander around wearing hooded jackets.
12. A group of excited schoolchildren, visiting London for the day to take photographs in aid of charity, were marched away when they tried to take photographs of Trafalgar Square.
Anon, i know you’re half-fooling around with us, so i take what you say not too literally.
But you do make an exceptionally valid point about schoolchildren. Thank you for raising that. Some posters here, with distinctly obvious old-fogey status can be forgiven if thats the way they were brought up. But the point is do they have supple enough minds to see it/their conditioning now that they are all ‘growed-up’?
Sadly no, yet they claim to be the torch-bearers of justice. Ludicrous!
“They are particularly warm, hospitable and genuinely sincere human beings who do not think even in nationalistic terms.”
Ain’t that a bit racialist, to say that the Irish are nicer than anyone else?
Anyway, the bit where Wimbledon LTC is, is nice and up to Old Wimbledon Village is nice too, but it’s surrounded by not nice bits.
Check out Mitcham, which used to be very very nice, but isn’t nice at all anymore.
The telly just makes it all look much nicer than it is. They have ways of doing that on telly.
“In a move that sparked an angry reaction from the SNP, which vowed to rid Scotland of nuclear weapons as quickly as possible after a yes vote, the government is looking at ensuring that the Faslane base on Gare Loch in Argyll and Bute could have the same status as the British sovereign military bases in Cyprus.”
In case any Scots are feeling bullied this is a hare brained scheme put forward by civil servants in the Ministry of Defence. I would be very surprised if the British Government were stupid enough to even consider it.
A submarine base brings great economic benefits to the area it is in, employs thousands of people. The only reason it is where it is was to give a boost to an area of Britain in decline.
If Scotland were to become independent I have no doubt the Trident fleet would be moved. The cost would be enormous but I’m sure the Scottish government would find the money somewhere.
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Mark, most of these are isolated examples of an under-educated police force not knowing the law. Every one of them is a disgrace, but we do not live in a fascist state where free of speech is banned. That is gross exaggeration, hyperbole.
PS, most here would probably agree with nos. 5 & 8.
Herbie:
“Ain’t that a bit racialist, to say that the Irish are nicer than anyone else?”
Herbie, whats come over you lately? You know, surely, i made no such silly statement and was very clearly referring to my cousins, thats it. You’re not one of those old-fogeys i was referring to, by any chance are you?
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“an under-educated police force not knowing the law”
Handy, eh.
So this is where you’re all hanging out, on the “Get Well Soon” page. Well I never!
It’s a hot day, Villager, and I have the day off. Watching the imperialist Ashes and reading the fascist Murray blog (posts have been deleted, you know) is bliss. All I need now is for the lumpen prole Komodo to deliver me some fresh strawberries for my Pimms, good egg that he is.
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Yes, Villager, but why do you feel especially the need to say that your Irish cousins are nice?
Isn’t the premise there an assumption that Irish people more generally aren’t nice?
It’s that old, “some of my best friends” thing, isn’t it?
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“Isn’t the premise there an assumption that Irish people more generally aren’t nice?”
No. You made that up. Btw you missed a salient point of fact in your overzealousness of ping-pong. My “Irish” cousins aren’t 100% Irish anyway.
Context is important. Suggest we leave it at that or believe what you will. Nothing to do with me. All forms of nationalism are just another form of tribalism. Hope that helps clarify.
Chill time…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC8Z-FfKrEQ
“My “Irish” cousins aren’t 100% Irish anyway”
LOL
No doubt Herbie would consider “not 100%” to be 100% bonafide in any other context.
Greenpeace broadcasting live video feed from protesters climbing the shard. Live streaming now.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/jul/11/greenpeace-activists-climb-london-shard
Surely the best way protest oil and gas drilling would be to stop using oil and gas? What does climbing the Shard have to do with it?
Direct link to the greenpeace climb feed:
http://iceclimb.savethearctic.org/
“Surely the best way protest oil and gas drilling would be to stop using oil and gas? What does climbing the Shard have to do with it?”
Publicity.
And let me just extend a warm welcome to any other visitors to our planet.
One was trying earlier to illustrate what were the actual roots of war. Is it good enough to simply say ‘politics’? And then become that armchair activist constantly shouting out injustices, without being very sensitive internally and accept how one contributes to, and is therefore part of the conflict. And the risk of group activism just tends to feed into the propaganda game. Phil thanks for the Greenpeace link–very impressive. But, is it of its own going to change anything? Is it going to change the content of consciousness of man.
Anon, good lateral thought, but still thought. Krishnamurti would call that as well as stopping the use oil and gas as ‘secondary’ activities. Hear him out…if one is interested in understanding the ‘primary’.
“Questioner: You decry war and yet, are you not supporting it?
Krishnamurti: Are we not all of us maintaining this terrible mass murder? We are responsible, each one, for war; war is an end result of our daily life; it is brought into being through our daily thought-feeling-action. What we are in our occupational, social, religious relationships, that we project; what we are, the world is.
Unless we understand the primary and secondary issues involved in the responsibility for war, we shall be confused and unable to extricate ourselves from its disaster. We must know where to lay the emphasis, and then only shall we understand the problem. The inevitable end of this society is war; it is geared to war, its industrialization leads to war; its values promote war. Whatever we do within its borders contributes to war. When we buy something, the tax goes towards war; the postage stamps help to support war. We cannot escape from war, go where we will, especially now, as society is organized for total war. The most simple and harmless work contributes to war in one way or another. Whether we like it or not, by our very existence we are helping to maintain war. So what are we to do? We cannot withdraw to an island or to a primitive community, for the present culture is everywhere. So what can we do? Shall we refuse to support war by not paying taxes, not buying stamps? Is that the primary issue? If it is not, and if it is only the secondary, then do not let us be distracted by it.
Is not the primary issue much deeper, that of the cause of war itself? If we can understand the cause of war, then the secondary issue can be approached from a different point of view altogether; if we do not understand, then we shall be lost in it. If we can free ourselves from the causes of war, then perhaps the secondary problem may not arise at all.
So emphasis must be laid upon the discovery within oneself of the cause of war; this discovery must be made by each one and not by an organized group, for group activities tend to make for thoughtlessness, mere propaganda, and slogan, which only breed further intolerance and strife. The cause must be self-discovered, and thus each one, through direct experience, liberates himself from it.
If we consider deeply, we are well aware of the causes of war: passion, ill will, and ignorance; sensuality, worldliness, and the craving for personal fame and continuity; greed, envy, and ambition; nationalism with its separate sovereignties, economic frontiers, social divisions, racial prejudices, and organized religion. Cannot each one be aware of his greed, ill will, ignorance, and so free himself from them? We hold to nationalism for it is an outlet to our cruel, criminal instincts; in the name of our country or ideology, we can murder or liquidate with impunity, become heroes, and the more we kill our fellow men, the more honor we receive from our country.
Now, is not liberation from the cause of conflict and sorrow the primary issue? If we do not lay emphasis upon this, how will the solution of the secondary problems stop war? If we do not root out the causes of war in ourselves, of what value is it to tinker with the outward results of our inner state? We must, each one, dig deeply and clear away lust, ill will, and ignorance; we must utterly abandon nationalism, racism, and those causes that breed enmity. We must concern ourselves wholly with that which is of primary importance and not be confused with secondary issues.”
Anon 11 Jul, 2013 – 5:14 pm
“Surely the best way protest oil and gas drilling would be to stop using oil and gas? What does climbing the Shard have to do with it?”
I imagine the climbers have minimalised their personalise use of oil. I guess they hope to persuade others to join them, you know to save the planet and us and all that, with their protest.
Anon, when i said “that” i meant the “action” of climbing the Shard, which is what you were questioning. Yes its just another secondary activity and important to see it, publicity or not, as just that.