Feile An Phobail Belfast

by craig on July 30, 2013 2:05 pm in Uncategorized

The Respectability of Torture


St Mary’s University College, Thurs 1st August, 7.30pm

 

Craig Murray, former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, was a whistleblower who was removed from his ambassadorial post by Tony Blair for exposing the Tashkent regime‟s use of rape and systematic torture, including the boiling to death of political opponents. He has also spoken out against Central Asia‟s appalling dictatorships, regimes which are allies of the West, involved in torture and rendition, and was accused of threatening MI6‟s relationship with the CIA. Now a human rights activist, author and broadcaster, he outlines the dynamics of torture and the hypocrisy of incriminated Western governments.

 

My first public appearance for a while will be in Belfast on 1 August where I shall be giving a talk.  Long term readers of this blog will recall that, while my focus is largely on international affairs, the domestic political achievements I most hope to see are a united Ireland and an independent Scotland.

Tweet this post

4,110 Comments

1 2 3 42

  1. Craig Murray, Scottish ambassador to Israel…..It has a certain ring to it.

  2. Wow. You want to dissolve my country and have it merged with the rest if Ireland? Why not an independent Northern Ireland?

    And ambassador to Israel?

    In my eyes you’ve already lost credibility. No regard for those who don’t wish to be part of a united ireland.

  3. Don’t forget to mention Alan Dershowitz and his idea for legal torture warrants, Craig.

  4. Chris, pretty much any cause going that will dismantle the British state is a cause worth fighting for around here.

  5. @Chris – oh, get over yourself. Good luck Craig, have a gud un.

  6. Screw a United Ireland, I am a Civil Servant and I dread to think what my pay would drop down to with the state of their economy.
    Not really a good choice being ruled by the crooks in England or by the crooks down South. At least with the English I am better off and likely be less violence in my streets.
    Our country is a long way off being ready for it and it will just start a new civil war off.

  7. Chris, Woobus.

    Knee-jerk support for any anti-establishment cause.

  8. I’d very much like to see the UK become independent of the US. There is only one thing worse than being a serf to the masters of your own country, and that is seeing the masters of your own country servants to a foreign power. It is I think the ‘doubly dying’ Sir Walter Scott talked about in “The Lay of the Last Minstrel”

    “Breathes there a man with soul so dead
    Who never to himself hath said:
    This is my own, my native land . . .”

  9. John Goss +1.

    Think that’s the priority. Even the excrescences (the UK ones) might care to consider it. Scotland: if they want it, in a fair and open referendum, what democrat can deny them? Ireland: not sure it wouldn’t be more troublesome to all than the present arrangement. Though economically more sensible, perhaps.

    Anyway, Craig, break a leg!

  10. Kempe: Knee-jerk growl at any pro-establishment cause.

  11. Anti! I meant anti!

  12. Make your mind up Komodo.

  13. John Goss + 2

    And independence for Oz from US influence.

    Like a hundred of people held at gunpoint by a gangster who only has six rounds, nobody wants to act unilaterally out of fear that the penalties will be too great.

  14. Flaming June

    30 Jul, 2013 - 5:26 pm

  15. Will you be able to post a video of the talk in Belfast ?
    Please !

  16. Lady on the run

    30 Jul, 2013 - 5:54 pm

    When statists talk in normative terms, that’s how you know that they’re trying to mitigate crimes. The US government’s moral handwringing over the peremptory norm of freedom from torture is exactly the same as Ted Bundy giving a soul-searching pre-execution interview. It’s all wheeling and dealing for clemency.

    http://www.zcommunications.org/torture-and-international-human-rights-by-francis-boyle

    We’ll live to see Obama pleading at the Hague.

  17. Yeah, good luck with that.

    NI has quite a degree of autonomy at the moment, and it’s probably fair enough to say that cultural union is currently much more in vogue than political union.

    Remember too that there will aways be those from lands near and afar who will seek to magnify any political dissent to their own purposes. It’s still there in NI at the moment and there’s a very similar version ongoing in England with EDL, UAF and Islamist protests etc.

  18. BrianFujisan

    30 Jul, 2013 - 6:41 pm

    Wow..Thank Goodness for that Mark.

    Perhaps they finally began to see just how many people support Bradley.

    Have a good trip to Ireland Craig

  19. When Scotland goes independent, maybe Wales can join up with Scotland rather than England? If only to escape Tory Westminster.

  20. John Goss

    “I’d very much like to see the UK become independent of the US. There is only one thing worse than being a serf to the masters of your own country, and that is seeing the masters of your own country servants to a foreign power.”

    But is the U.K. a servant of the U.S. or are they both servants of another foreign power?

  21. Flaming June

    30 Jul, 2013 - 7:49 pm

    July 30, 2013

    Acquitted of “Aiding the Enemy,” found guilty of several other counts under Espionage Act

    The Meaning of the Manning Verdict

    by KATE EPSTEIN

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/07/30/the-meaning-of-the-manning-verdict/

    I, like the other 14m who have seen it, will never forget this video of the Apache killings.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

  22. Sorry Craig,

    I admire your stance on torture etc. an awful lot. You waved goodbye to a decent career for a principle and I was brought up to respect that sort of thing and would do so even if I wasn’t in tune with the reasons for it. But I’m afraid your sentiments with regard to domestic British politics just look like parochial separatism to me. This archipelago is very small and we’re going to have to rub along together one way or another. We don’t have a choice. Our only choice is in how we live together. Rightly or wrongly, I just think that the governmental institutions we develop and adopt should reflect that immutable reality. We could dissolve into an array of city states if we were stupid enough – and I dare say some are – but what good would that do? And I write as one who is constantly appalled by the policies – foreign and domestic – coming out of Westminster and wish I could get rid of them. But I’ll take a whole lot of convincing that separatism is the answer.

  23. Thank you, Flaming June, for those links. I suggest that all UK users of this website send the links to their MP and ask for her/his reaction. I will be doing so for my MP, Tessa Jowell. Let’s collate the responses.

  24. “St Mary’s University College, Thurs 1st August, 7.30pm”

    I might go up, Craig. If I can go to Cork to see Shlomo Sand … And I’ve only ever seen you speak on video. And, I wouldn’t mind a day in Belfast anyway!
    Best of luck with it.

  25. Why not a united Scotland and Northern Ireland? Geographically, ethnically and historically the links are much closer than with England in both cases.

  26. I do not think the Catholics in Northern Ireland would ever accept union with Scotland. It would look like gerrymandering to assure a large Protestant majority and a small Catholic minority in the new state.

    I think it’s possible that all the populations involved would be willing to accept a union of a united Ireland plus Scotland.

  27. Rhisiart Gwilym

    30 Jul, 2013 - 11:22 pm

    Good luck Craig. And don’t forget, as well as Eire doing what the >majority< of its citizens want, whether they happen to live in the liberated part or the foreign-occupied part, and as well as Scotland getting free of the damned ukstate, there's us in Cymru as well, needing liberation from seven hundred years of Engish-raj imperialism; and even — whisper it — the little nation of Kernow, which the English raj insolently call an English county.

    Let's all be free. And that includes the poor bloody rank-and-file English. They need liberation too, as urgently as the rest of us, from the ukstate and the English raj and their grovelling-vassal status to the USAmerican empire.

  28. Sofia Kibo Noh

    30 Jul, 2013 - 11:26 pm

    @Roger. 10 42pm

    “Why not a united Scotland and Northern Ireland?”

    Scotland for the Scoti sounds like the slogan to campaign with.

    But maybe not. Let’s deal with building a peacefully united Ireland and and independent Scotland first.

    I’ll be content if we can each restore our sovereignty while celebrating our shared heritage.

  29. “Why not a united Scotland and Northern Ireland? Geographically, ethnically and historically the links are much closer than with England in both cases.”

    Geographically Scotland and England are part of the same island separated by nothing but an imaginary line which moves from time to time.

    Ethnically Scotland and England are pretty much the same.

    Historically rich Scottish land owners persecuted the Irish in the Plantation of Ulster.

  30. @ John Goss,

    Who said:-

    ” I’d very much like to see the UK become independent of the US. There is only one thing worse than being a serf to the masters of your own country, and that is seeing the masters of your own country servants to a foreign power. It is I think the ‘doubly dying’ Sir Walter Scott talked about in “The Lay of the Last Minstrel”

    “Breathes there a man with soul so dead
    Who never to himself hath said:
    This is my own, my native land . . .”

    So – the death of an Empire and the emergence of others?

  31. Agree with Jemand 4.42 – Independence for Australia from sucking up to the US, and from having a foreign (English) head of state.

  32. As someone earlier stated secularisation serves the purpose of empowering the individual or at least leaves an impression of egalatarianism but really are we still entitled to share the freedoms we once had as a union.

    Serfdom requires us to be free.

  33. Flaming June

    31 Jul, 2013 - 7:36 am

    ‘When will Blair and co be held to account?

    Tuesday 30 July 2013

    Figures obtained by the BBC under a Freedom of Information request show that last year the Home Office identified nearly 100 suspected war criminals and that many of those individuals were believed to have been living in Britain for a number of years.

    Suspects are believed to have come from a number of countries including Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Rwanda, Serbia and Sri Lanka.

    Now the Home Office is making robust noises and has vowed to ensure that Britain does not become “a refuge for war criminals.”

    Four Rwandan men arrested in May this year are “suspected of involvement in the 1994 genocide that led to the deaths of an estimated 800,000 people.”

    James Smith of Aegis, a charity involved in the prevention of crimes again humanity said: “If we don’t pursue those prosecutions, the UK could become known as a retirement home for war criminals.”

    In addition, a Home Office spokesman said: “Anyone accused of these crimes should be put on trial in their home country and we will always seek to return them to face justice.”

    In the light of the Home Office statement, I take it the relevant powers will be taking an equally robust stance towards Tony Blair, Jack Straw, Lord Goldsmith and Gordon Brown, who wrote the cheques for the illegal invasion of Iraq based on untruths and dodgy dossiers, which has resulted in significantly more than one million deaths and counting.

    Or do suspected war criminals only get counted if they are black, Middle Eastern, eastern European or from further afield, while ours travel the globe with impunity?

    Felicity Arbuthnot
    London E9 ‘

    http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/135971

  34. Flaming June

    31 Jul, 2013 - 8:43 am

    O/T Will Theresa May reveal to the British public the names of these 100 organisations who have broken the law? We will probably be told that it would prejudice the ongoing investigations in Operation Tuleta. We have such an open society, NOT.

    Hacking: Law Firms On List Handed To MPs
    A list of 100 non-media names is handed to a government committee but police will not confirm who is under investigation.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1122355/hacking-law-firms-on-list-handed-to-mps

    ‘The Metropolitan Police allegedly holds a list of 200 more companies and individuals who may have used rogue private investigators to steal personal information.’

  35. Flaming June

    31 Jul, 2013 - 8:59 am

    Another letter, this time an open letter to the World Health Organisation and the Iraqi Ministry of Health about the non-release of their promised report on cancers and birth defects in Iraq.

    http://www.zcommunications.org/to-the-world-health-organization-who-and-the-iraqi-ministry-of-health-new-signatures-added-by-mozhgan-savabieasfahani

  36. This is for the Scots – no, actually, it’s for all of us. Hope you haven’t seen. It’s so funny!

    ‘Voice recognition lift – eleven’
    http://dotsub.com/view/6c5d7514-5656-476a-9504-07dd4e2f6509

  37. The Threat of Nuclear War, North Korea or the United States?
    By Prof Michel Chossudovsky

    Global Research, July 25, 2013

    While the Western media portrays North Korea’s nuclear weapons program as a threat to Global Security, it fails to acknowledge that the US has being threatening North Korea with a nuclear attack for more than half a century.

    On July 27, 2013, Armistice Day, Koreans in the North and the South will be commemorating the end of the Korean war (1950-53). Unknown to the broader public, the US had envisaged the use of nuclear weapons against North Korea at the very outset of the Korean War in 1950. In the immediate wake of the war, the US deployed nuclear weapons in South Korea for use on a pre-emptive basis against the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (DPRK) in violation of the July 1953 Armistice Agreement.

    /..
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-threat-of-nuclear-war-north-korea-or-the-united-states/5343793

  38. Sofia Kibo Noh

    31 Jul, 2013 - 10:36 am

    @Flaming. 8 59am

    Thanks for the link.

    The British Medical Journal published an article entitled” WHO suppressed evidence on effects of depleted uranium, expert says” in November 2006. It suggested that earlier WHO reports were compromised by the omission of a full account of depleted uranium genotoxicity.  
    Additionally, recent revelations by Hans von Sponeck, the former Assistant Secretary General of the United Nations, suggest that WHO may be susceptible to pressure from its member states. Mr. von Sponeck has said that “The US government sought to prevent WHO from surveying areas in southern Iraq where depleted uranium had been used and caused serious health and environmental dangers.”
     
    Is it time to prepare to bring the perpetrators before the ICC​

    Can anyone justify the burning of depleted uranium in munitions?

  39. Sofia Kibo Noh

    31 Jul, 2013 - 10:57 am

    More on depleted uranium munitions and their after-effects.

    https://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0113-01.htm

  40. Sofia:
    The primary intention isn’t to burn it: the idea is to give a projectile enough density (or if you prefer weight relative to its cross sectional area) to penetrate armour. In the process it gets pulverised, and burns. As a byproduct of the nuclear industry, it is relatively available, denser and more convenient than, say tungsten (which can be used in DIME munitions, as a powder, because it doesn’t burn)

    Nasty shit, but you knew that.

  41. Sofia Kibo Noh

    31 Jul, 2013 - 11:41 am

    @Komodo.

    Thanks.

    I used “burning” because it seems to me that the terrible public health consequences come from the oxidation bye-products rather than the armour-piercing impact.

  42. Don’t go near any burning aircraft, btw. Commercial airliners use DU as ballast.

  43. Sofia says:

    the oxidation bye-products rather than the armour-piercing impact.

    The gas cloud generated by the heat, and the compounds contained, that are in nano particle formats can breach the body defences, and barriers and lodge in various organs, that in turn due to the ceramic nature of these nano particles, body chemistry cannot break these ceramics down and render these harmless, in turn leading to many devastating diseases.

    Here you will find a better explanation..

  44. Al-Qaeda pledges to free Guantanamo inmates

    “Al Qaeda will “spare no effort” in setting free inmates at the US-run Guantanamo Bay detention camp, the terrorist network’s leader pledged. The warning comes after a series of attacks by militant groups on prisons in Libya, Iraq and Pakistan.

    “Ayman al-Zawahri voiced his threats in an audio address published on an Islamist website. The authenticity of the recording has not been verified, Reuters reports.

    http://rt.com/news/qaeda-guantanamo-inmates-free-845/

  45. Snowden’s dad originally urged his son to come home and face the music, you may remember. Now he’s saying ‘stay where you are, you won’t get a fair trial here.’

    Maybe it was something the FBI said to him? Whoops.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23514431

  46. America is truly the axis of evil in the Middle East. Buying and trafficking arms, training and funding rebel fighters, are considered U.S. investments in the future of M.E. conflicts, which, at any time, can be paid with interest via a direct U.S. military invasion.

    Paralysed by Israel’s high level influence and enervated by seductive Israeli lobbies, America took advantage of the ‘Arab Spring’ and declared that Libya was enduring a revolution, having engineered anti-government demonstrations in the eastern city of Benghazi. This then was the trigger, the spark for Emperor Obama to militarily intervene even though no such mass lobby was observed in the Libyan capital, Tripoli.

    The same dynamic occurred in Syria where rebellion was ‘scammed’ into false revolution by using trained religious extremists who became the motor force of the rebels doing the vast majority of the fighting and distorting the true nature of the rebels as an anti-Assad coalition.

    The most effective fighting force among the Syrian rebels is Jabhat al-Nursa, religious extremists that use Iraq ‘death squad’ terrorist tactics and are directly affiliated with al-Qaeda and the CIA.

    Recently this group’s dominance is being threatened by another Islamist extremist terror group, Ahrar al-Sham, which is funded and populated by Qatar and which is thought to have around 30,000 fighters in Syria.

    While America pursues pro-Western geo-political goals by ‘strings attached’ manipulation, at least 25,000 Syrian children have been murdered and 6.8 million Syrians need aid according to OCHA figures – http://www.unocha.org/crisis/syria

    To insist that NATO or Gulf monarchies supply arms to the rebels is, in essence, to invite the United States to directly participate in the Syrian conflict on a deeper level (the Emperor Obama administration is already supplying thousands of tons of arms to the Syrian rebels covertly through the CIA).

    Currently the same manipulative dynamic is transpiring in Egypt with exactly the same U.S. investments in a future conflict with Iran intended to throttle energy supplies to China and energy cooperation with Russia.

    Without such massive control from America, Britain and allies these and imminent conflicts would have ended long ago and thousands of innocent lives would have been spared.

    Demanding that this bloodletting continue — especially without ANY prospect for a successful end — is to demand the destruction of an already suffering mother earth.

    The U.S. Occupy Movement was no revolution. It is time for the American people to be in a position to effectively assert their power in order to change the U.S. administration power dynamic of American society in their favor AND REMOVE ‘President’ Obama.

    A nation can be inhabited by entirely revolutionary-minded people, but there is no revolution unless people are massively asserting their power in the streets, workplaces, and neighborhoods.

    That connection is how we, as a human race, evolve and cheat extinction.

  47. People commenting on Twitter that the fact that Bradley Manning is also a UK citizen is getting very little mention.

  48. According to the Guardian today, he’s not a UK citizen. He was born in the USA to an American father and Welsh mother. She subsequently returned to Wales, so he was brought up there.

  49. ‘Battle for Balcombe’: English village becomes hub for fracking debate

    http://tcktcktck.org/2013/07/battle-for-balcombe-english-village-becomes-hub-for-fracking-debate/55382

  50. “According to the Guardian today, he’s not a UK citizen. He was born in the USA to an American father and Welsh mother. She subsequently returned to Wales, so he was brought up there.”

    Oh ok. I’ll start informing tweeters then.

  51. Nah, let them fester in ignorance. More fun.

  52. Hey Komodo

    “Born in the US, he is a US citizen. But under the British Nationality Act of 1981, anyone born outside the UK after 1 January 1983 who has a mother who is a UK citizen by birth is British by descent.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/01/bradley-manning-uk-citizen

  53. Today’s Guardian –

    Manning doesn’t hold a British passport and doesn’t consider himself to be a UK citizen, but he is unquestionably half Welsh (the Foreign Office, notably, has stressed he is “British by descent”). Though he was born in the US, his parents met when Brian Manning, a US naval intelligence analyst, was stationed in the very southwest tip of Wales; Susan Manning, then Fox, was a local girl from Haverfordwest. An older sister, Casey, was born in Wales; Bradley followed in 1987 after his parents had returned to the tiny Oklahoma town of Crescent where Brian took up a job in a car rental firm. The marriage was not a success, and in 2001, after Brian walked out, Susan returned to her home town with her children.

    Wikipedia tells me that he probably has British citizenship, but may have had to formally apply for it. Does it matter? See William Hague for an independent champion of British rights against US interests, pmsl.

  54. Dreoilin, hot hair.

    Yes, let’s get Bradley Manning home. Perhaps we could do an exchange with all the US citizens we have in custody! Oh, sorry, I was forgetting we are the slaves of the US. It makes that laugh of a nationalist anthem, Rule Britannia, laughable. “Britons never never never shall be slaves”.

  55. No, stuff William Hague. They were commenting in relation to coverage of his situation in the UK. Which they didn’t seem to think was adequate.

  56. Bit quiet today, ennit? Think we need a rant. Starting point – William Hague.

    http://nonprofit.smashpipe.com/?f=UppzdKxcbcI#play/UppzdKxcbcI

  57. Right, Dreoilin. Re. coverage, it’s predictable. And I wouldn’t expect the conservative press to do anything other than emphasise the fact that Manning, a US citizen and regarding himself solely as such, signed the US military’s version of the Official Secrets Act, was put in a position of trust, and betrayed it comprehensively. Which is the (uncomfortable, maybe) fact. He got the book thrown at him -predictably, since discipline needs to be maintained in anyone’s armed forces – and IMO got a reasonably fair disposal in the circumstances.

    The real issues are, again IMO, the effectiveness of US military security versus the incredibly trivial material that attracts a security classification there, and the near absence of any official concern regarding some of the actions, equally forbidden by military law, which were revealed by his disclosures.

  58. “The real issues are, again IMO, the effectiveness of US military security versus the incredibly trivial material that attracts a security classification there” and

    Interesting you should say that

    ‘Manning, Snowden Trigger First-Of-Its-Kind Secrecy Review’

    http://killerapps.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/07/30/congress_will_review_how_the_government_keeps_its_secrets

    (I haven’t seen anything about re-training of Apache crews)

  59. Jeez

    “After demands by Reuters, the incident was investigated and the U.S. military concluded that the actions of the soldiers were in accordance with the law of armed conflict and its own “Rules of Engagement”.”

    http://www.collateralmurder.com/

  60. Freedom for Ireland.
    And also so for Great Britain – with or without Scotland – as old/ag(e)ing/former ambasdazsrz mite put yte

  61. Dreoilin: ‘Voice recognition lift – eleven’
    http://dotsub.com/view/6c5d7514-5656-476a-9504-07dd4e2f6509

    Thanks for that Dreoilin — that was the funniest thing i’ve seen here! Wherever do you dig this stuff out from?!

  62. Glad someone enjoyed it, Villager. I was doubled up. Husband emailed it to me. :)

  63. “Report Calls For Expansion Of Residential Workfare For Unemployed and Disabled People”

    http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2013/07/31/report-calls-for-expansion-of-residential-workfare-for-unemployed-and-disabled-people/#comments

  64. For users of ixquick/startpage search engines.

    https://startpage.com/eng/press/pr-pfs.html

    StartPage and Ixquick Deploy Newest Encryption Standards against Mass Surveillance
    First search engines to offer TLS 1.1.and 1.2 as well as “Perfect Forward Secrecy”

    July 19, 2013

    NEW YORK & AMSTERDAM: In the wake of the US PRISM Internet surveillance scandal, companies are revisiting how they do business online and beefing up their privacy practices to protect their users.

    Private search engines StartPage and Ixquick have pioneered a new advance in encryption security this week, becoming the first search engines in the world to enable “Perfect Forward Secrecy” or PFS in combination with a more secure version of SSL encryption known as TLS 1.1. and 1.2 , which works by setting up a secure “tunnel” through which users’ search traffic cannot be intercepted.

    …With SSL alone, if a target website’s “private key” can be obtained once in the future – perhaps through court order, social engineering, attack against the website, or cryptanalysis – that same key can then be used to unlock all other historical traffic of the affected website. For larger Internet services, that could expose the private data of millions of people.

    StartPage and Ixquick have now deployed a defense against this known as “Perfect Forward Secrecy,” or PFS.

    PFS uses a different “per-session” key for each data transfer, so even if a site’s private SSL key is compromised, data that was previously transmitted is still safe. Those who want to decrypt large quantities of data sent using PFS face the daunting task of individually decrypting each separate file, as opposed to obtaining a single key to unlock them all.

    This can be likened to replacing the master “skeleton key” that unlocks every room in a building with a tight security system that puts a new lock on each door and then creates a unique key for each lock.

    In addition to its pioneering use of PFS, earlier this month StartPage and Ixquick deployed Transport Layer Security, or TLS, encryption versions TLS 1.1 and 1.2 on all of its servers. TLS is an upgraded form of SSL encryption, which sets up a secure “tunnel” that protects users’ search information.

    In independent evaluation, StartPage and Ixquick outscore their competitors on encryption standards. (See Qualys’ SSL Labs evaluation of StartPage’s encryption features:)

    https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=startpage.com&s=69.90.210.72

    CEO Robert Beens urges other companies to upgrade to these new technologies. “With Perfect Forward Secrecy and TLS 1.1 and 1.2 combined, we are once again leading the privacy industry forward. For the sake of their users’ privacy, we strongly recommend other search engines follow our lead.”

    U.S. Press Contact:
    Tiffany Daschke
    (877) 434-3100 ext. 2

    E.U. Press Contact:
    Alex van Eesteren
    +31-30-6971778

  65. I didn’t realise that it was torturing Tony himself who had you sacked presumably because your revelations might have harmed his future business interests. Best of luck with the lecture,let us hope it opens a few more eyes to the horrors this revolting state has attempted to normalise.It is interesting in a grotesque kind of way that the U.S.military has said the retarded psychopaths involved in the collateral murder incident were operating in accordance with their “Rules of engagement” which appears to mean anyone anywhere may be slaughtered but then Obomber has made that crystal clear has he not? Anyway watch your back and have a great time.May I join others in thanking Dreoilin for a very funny piece ,I needed a lift!

  66. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange

    The scheme was first published by Whitfield Diffie and Martin Hellman in 1976, although it had been separately invented a few years earlier within GCHQ, the British signals intelligence agency, by JamesH. Ellis, Clifford Cocks and Malcolm J. Williamson but was kept classified. In 2002, Hellman suggested the algorithm be called Diffie–Hellman–Merkle key exchange in recognition of Ralph Merkle’s contribution to the invention of public-key cryptography (Hellman, 2002).

  67. Flaming June

    31 Jul, 2013 - 4:40 pm

    I keep seeing Negroponte on the box complaining that Bradley Manning has damaged the US’s ability to conduct normal diplomatic affairs.

    Perhaps he means this sort of diplomacy.

    Proconsul 2004
    http://www.mayayres.com/aggression-proconsul.html

    How vile.

    The sculptures are from that amazing exhibition by May Ayres that I saw in Bethnal Green.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Negroponte
    Born in London. Father a Greek shipping magnate.

  68. Flaming June

    31 Jul, 2013 - 4:44 pm

    The new head of the FBI. Just the right qualifications for the job. Some irony below.

    Who is new FBI director James Comey?

    The former US deputy attorney general has experience in arms sales, hedge funds and banking. Does that make him qualified for the job?
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/jul/30/fbi-director-james-comey

  69. Flaming June

    31 Jul, 2013 - 4:52 pm

    O/T
    This country is really good at setting up serious case reviews after a child like this little chap has been murdered, in this case by his own mother and her partner who have been found guilty of murder. They will be sentenced on Friday. Why didn’t the school intervene? Look at the list of his injuries.

    Daniel Pelka: Review To Examine Failures
    A serious case review will look at whether authorities failed as evidence of excessive and extensive abuse was missed.http://news.sky.com/story/1122807/daniel-pelka-review-to-examine-failures

  70. Flaming June

    31 Jul, 2013 - 5:00 pm

    Craig I see you got a mention in Rusbridger’s Ask Me Anything today! LOL

    http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1jf6uc/i_am_alan_rusbridger_editor_in_chief_of_the/cbe1n1n

  71. “Craig I see you got a mention in Rusbridger’s Ask Me Anything today! LOL”

    Oh What a good girl am I !

  72. This country is really good at setting up serious case reviews after a child like this little chap has been murdered

    I am so sorry for the little tyke who died so hopeless and alone. It would take nothing to keep that little Daniel alive, and happy. I am really upset, for him and for the other little angels, who are going hungry, afraid, and in pain, across the planet.

    So far only the evil bitch of his mother and duane dibbley of her boyfriend, have been charged and convicted, and may these evil bastard suffer in hell (I really wish I could be afforded five minutes alone with these two specimens, these fuckwits would soon understand the meaning of pain, and hopeless).

    Fact that none of the fucking teachers in the school that he attended have been hauled over the coals. These heartless bastards were locking the food away and not one of them ever thought why poor little tyke was stealing food, and eating left over and discarded food; in the rubbish bins, off the floor, and even the garden. These bastards stand culpable of joint enterprise in little Daniel’s murder.

  73. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    31 Jul, 2013 - 6:21 pm

    “O/T
    This country is really good at setting up serious case reviews after a child like this little chap has been murdered, in this case by his own mother and her partner who have been found guilty of murder. They will be sentenced on Friday. Why didn’t the school intervene? Look at the list of his injuries.”
    ______________

    The answer to that, dear Flaming June, is perhaps that a lot of the teachers, civil servants and local government officials appointed by the Labour govt and Labour councils in their attempts to create a body of faithful future Labour voters are bloody useless at their jobs.

  74. Since my last posting on the previous thread about those who really like to throw the “anti-West” accusation around, but are not so hot at trying to justify it, that the best that they could come up with was the demented ramblings of the psychotic Unabomber !! This would be hysterical if it was tongue in cheek, but apparently this is presented as credible argumentation !! Beyond parody, and a true indication of how detached from the rational these people must be.

    I also noticed a debate about the nature of compassion, which is obviously an emotion that Jemand has never experienced, otherwise he/she would not have written the nonsense that was posted, and despite Dreoilin attempts to explain this most natural of human emotions, we can only conclude that unfortunately Jemand is one of those emotionally impaired individuals who are simply incapable of experiencing such basic human emotions.

    Talking of which, how ironic that it was Villager who claimed that compassionate Lefties are really ” bitter losers filled with hate, envy and jealousy”, and yet felt the need & choice to post the mean & petty “Oh What a good girl am I !” comment aimed at F/J-Mary, after she has posted a link to the horrendous case of the murdered child, in contrast to Fedup’s angry & compassionate post in response to this case.

  75. I always thought you were a bloke Villager??

  76. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data

    XKeyscore: NSA tool collects ‘nearly everything a user does on the internet’

    • XKeyscore gives ‘widest-reaching’ collection of online data
    • NSA analysts require no prior authorization for searches
    • Sweeps up emails, social media activity and browsing history
    • NSA’s XKeyscore program – read one of the presentations

    Lots of very interesting slides at link

  77. Habby argues:

    “The answer to that, dear Flaming June, is perhaps that a lot of the teachers,
    civil servants and local government officials appointed by the Labour govt and Labour councils in their attempts to create a body of faithful future Labour voters are bloody useless at their jobs.”

    That’s an interesting personification of complex structural problems, albeit indicating a rather narrow village mentality.

    Is there some fundamental policy division between Tory and New Labour on these issues that might otherwise explain this curious phenomenon?

    Most policy decisions are made at EU level. I think about 80%. Then you’ve got corporate, banker and military welfare to consider.

    The rest is crumbs…

  78. Flaming June

    31 Jul, 2013 - 7:09 pm

    Pathetic and infantile responses from the Resident Invigilator and Villager in that order.

    btw if I am a ‘good girl’ (I believe Villager is thinking of this nursery rhyme:
    Little Jack Horner sat in the corner
    Eating his Christmas pie,
    He put in his thumb and pulled out a plum
    And said “What a good boy am I!”)

    he could be Christopher Robin saying his prayers!

    http://ingeb.org/songs/littleby.html

  79. Kinda weird reading that Grauniad NSA link knowing the NSA is watching you watch the NSA watching you watch the NSA watching you…

    Maybe their data banks are narcissists?

  80. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    31 Jul, 2013 - 7:39 pm

    Waay off topic but has anyone seen anything from Snowden on the ‘killshot’?

    Supposedly he made statements relative to government preps for solar flares. I can’t find anything reliable, other than the usual suspects.

    http://countdowntozerotime.com/2013/07/25/edward-snowden-solar-flare-killshot-cataclysm-imminent/

  81. Ben,

    The Snowden kill-shot nonsense originated with Sorcha Faal as far as I can figure. Therefore complete nonsense.

    There are various thread elsewhere about “holes in the sun” right now. Mainly based on an appallingly bad Fox news report about a Coronal Hole.

    Not that any of this means that a large CME definitely wont be on the way (the sun is misbehaving but it is quieter than expected – who knows if it is the calm before the storm – solar physicists are still trying to figure it out) but the Snowden claim appears false.

  82. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    31 Jul, 2013 - 8:05 pm

    Thanks AlcAnon; It seems it’s an old story someone tacked onto Snowden. I keep abreast of sun activity, and sunspots have been unusually scarce and mild. I’m also interested in ISON’s potential demise as it approaches our Sun.

  83. Sofia Kibo Noh

    31 Jul, 2013 - 8:32 pm

    @Flaming.

    Re DU public health disaster.

    Thanks for the WHO petition link on Navalny thread.

    ”The Iraqi people already know that there are spiralling rates of birth defects and miscarriages, they see it every day. The research carried out by the Iraqi Ministry of Health and the World Health Organisation will provide the confirmation required to spur research into the causes and for action to be taken to mitigate this health crisis.

    Children and families continue to suffer the consequences of a war they did not cause, so no more delays, no more politics: the WHO and Iraqi Ministry of Health must release the study data for swift and independent peer-review in an open access journal.”

    Here it is.

    http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/world-health-organisation-and-iraqi-ministry-of-health-act4iraq-and-release-birth-defect-data

  84. Jives

    With more and more sites starting to deploy variants of Diffie=Hellman key-exchange it seems to me that Xkeyscore can’t mine into that data – at least not just by recording the traffic. I will assume “they” have obtained or can obtain private server keys for all the key destinations on the web and so can decrypt most normal https traffic.

    However unless there is a huge breakthrough we don’t know about then it would seem that they can’t easily look inside traffic protected by this additional step. No webservers were using PFS at the time of the 2008 PRISM presentation so it wouldn’t have been an issue.

    Physicsl access to the servers themselves would seem to be required to monitor PFS protected traffic.

  85. Signed and tweeted

  86. Funny thing Jives …
    I always thought Villager was a woman. And then he/she said one day “I’m the kind of guy who …” and I felt obliged to change my mind.

    Although, “guys” (when addressing people) is used in our house to encompass everyone, me included.

    (I’m getting all 9s again in the sum box)

  87. Can someone give a brief explanation of the “Snowden kill-shot nonsense”?
    Thanks

  88. Dreoilin

    A repeat of the Carrington Event or worse.

    Could in theory knock out the power grid across the planet blowing transformers beyond repair and lead to collapse of civilisation. There’s a new spurious claim that we just missed a Carrington flare but it wasn’t anything particular impressive and wouldn’t have done much if it had been earth directed.

    Note we would have many hours warning of such an event on the way and steps can be taken to shutdown grids and isolate equipment in advance. If a really bad shock hit the ACE early warning spacecraft I guess we would see contingency plans go into action.

    A far less powerful geomagnetic storm from an X15 flare knocked out much of the Canadian grid in 1989.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1989_geomagnetic_storm

    The March 1989 geomagnetic storm was a severe geomagnetic storm that caused the collapse of Hydro-Québec’s electricity transmission system. It occurred during solar cycle 22

  89. Thanks v much, AlcAnon – I get it now.

  90. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    31 Jul, 2013 - 9:32 pm

    Dreoilin; The connection to Snowden relates to his access to FEMA docs. They prepare for regional or national disasters, and theoretically, the advent of CME’s of sufficient strength (EMP) to fry electronic components is the threat. Short of apocalypse, if you wish to protect your cellphone or laptop, there are Faraday Cages to keep you jacked-in. A simple low-cost FC is a 32 gallon galvanized ash can.

  91. Thanks Ben. No idea where I’d get one of those, but I can find out.

  92. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    31 Jul, 2013 - 9:43 pm

    “Pathetic and infantile responses from the Resident Invigilator…” sobs the Frequent Poster, who is too thick to see that I was agreeing with her.

    She wrote, à propos the killing of the little boy :

    “Why didn’t the school intervene? Look at the list of his injuries.

    And my suggestion was that the school teachers (and the social workers weren’t doing their bloody jobs properly.

    And I went on to make the point – perhaps too indirectly for some? – that the rather large increase in jobs in the public sector under Labour obviously didn’t do much to improve and sharpen up service (and probably wasn’t intended to either).

  93. Ben,

    I wonder if he has un-redacted Fukushima information myself.

    He might well have plans on dealing with a major CME but that’s entirely different from a prediction of one about to occur.

    Dreoilin,

    Stick your phone in the microwave oven. Do not switch on!! :-)

  94. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    31 Jul, 2013 - 10:01 pm

    Fukushima is a boiling cauldron, AlcAnon, as you know. The wall is not holding. Contaminated ground water keeps rising and leaking to the ocean. When will other nations start to become alarmed at TEPCO’s revisionist info and incompetence?

    And yes, I think Snowden could access anything and no one can predict what will happen wrt CME’s, even predictive models should it cascade into the sun.

  95. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    31 Jul, 2013 - 10:03 pm

    edit; ‘no one can predict what will happen if ISON is pulled into the sun’.

  96. “Note we would have many hours warning of such an event on the way and steps can be taken to shutdown grids and isolate equipment in advance. If a really bad shock hit the ACE early warning spacecraft I guess we would see contingency plans go into action.”

    In Britain the procedure is to open everything up, close every switch on the grid and spread the load, create one huge sink.

    Wouldn’t work in Canada I expect.

  97. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    31 Jul, 2013 - 10:05 pm

    A microwave oven as a Faraday Cage? Hadn’t heard that.

  98. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    31 Jul, 2013 - 10:06 pm

    @ Komodo (14h25)

    Well, I’m the fairest of persons : I rebuke when rebukes are deserved and praise when praise is due.

    And therefore I find myself in agreement with you and appreciate your post which read as follows (it is worth reposting):

    “And I wouldn’t expect the conservative press to do anything other than emphasise the fact that Manning, a US citizen and regarding himself solely as such, signed the US military’s version of the Official Secrets Act, was put in a position of trust, and betrayed it comprehensively. Which is the (uncomfortable, maybe) fact. He got the book thrown at him -predictably, since discipline needs to be maintained in anyone’s armed forces – and IMO got a reasonably fair disposal in the circumstances”

    That is a very fair summary of one aspect of this affair.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    By the way and in that connection let me be more precise on what I posted on the previous thread to the effect that I seemed to detect a slightly sour smell to some of the reactions, on that thread, to the verdict of not guilty wrt the charges of aiding the enemy.

    I did not of course mean to imply that the Eminences who posted after the verdict had been announced were unhappy for Mr Manning as a person; I am sure that they were pleased with the verdict as far as Mr Manning as an individual was concerned (although it must also be said that the expressions of relief were few and less enthusiastic than I whould have expected).

    My point was, rather, that that verdict was a disappointment in that they would have been happier to have seen their narrative of the US being the source of all evil, injustice, repression, etc, etc, confirmed at least as far as this affair was concerned. A guilty verdict on aiding the enemy – with the consequent posssibility (theoretical, to be sure) – of a death sentence would have been just the ticket for some of them.

1 2 3 42

Powered By Wordpress | Designed By Ridgey | Produced by Tim Ireland | Hosted In The Cloud