Various unionist nutters have tried to claim that the outrageous BBC/MOD propaganda lie of 35,000 people at Armed Forces Day in Stirling is true. This picture was taken at 1.30pm when the crowd was largest.
There is a lot to give scale in this photo. Look at the vehicles. Look at the marquees.
Look at the marquee closest to the top on the left. There is a van parked right in front of it. From that van, we can measure that it is a sixty foot by forty foot marquee.
Using simple measurement techniques, it is easy to see that the entire crowd could fit into three – or at most four – of those marquees. Perspective is on the side of crowd overestimate as the marquee is further away from the camera than any of the crowd.
If you observe rationally, and look at the clues as to scale, it is not difficult to work it out. That the MOD can claim 35,000 people is a lie by a factor of about twenty times. That the BBC repeats this state propaganda is worse than anything I have seen recently on Russia Today or Chinese state CCTV.
And here is the crowd by the climax – the Red Arrows fly past at 5pm. I have seen more people at a garden fete.
You know, when a partner is thinking of leaving and you want them to stay, normally you say sweetly to them:
“Please stay. Don’t go. I really want you to stay”.
Like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za_6A0XnMyw
That these Anglos and Unionists can’t even rise to that, instead bitching about your every complaint, shows there’s really very little worth staying for.
The great Sinéad has another lesson on this theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgDlB3BU-ig
Tony M
“I see too that you’ve got a new friend, or are you and ‘it’ already acquainted?”
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You sound upset with Fred, Tony. Is that because he usually gets the better of twits like you and the other Freedom Fighters (LOL) ?
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Hints on how to mount a convincing argument, Tony : don’t get carried away by the sound of your own voice; be succinct and avoid over-long sentences; muster points in your mind in a logical manner before typing; prefer facts to making up things; keep to the point and don’t side-track; and most important of all, sound as if you believe what you’re saying. Attaboy!
“You know, when a partner is thinking of leaving and you want them to stay, normally you say sweetly to them:
“Please stay. Don’t go. I really want you to stay”.”
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The above must be purely theoretical, Herbie, because I find it hard to believe that you could ever had had a partner.
No offence meant.
None taken, babbie.
You’ll find when you form relationships of your own, that for offence to be taken one must first have at least some smidgeon of respect for those offering offence.
“It’s fantastic that so many people came out to recognise those who serve.” Alex Salmond.
“I am delighted that Armed Forces Day has been such a success” Angus Robertson.
Arf Arf!
Fred – nope, Craig can reasonably claim 20k at Bannockburn because that’s the capacity, and it was a sellout, and of course with tickets all this can be totted up at the end of the day. Thus your point is simply stupidly wrong.
AS for comparing numbers, it was the AFD folks who started it, and the overwhelming impression given on the news down south is that Bannockburn was not very good or well attended and AFD was wonderful and smelt of roses.
The photos above, as well as the undisclosed counting methods of whoever claimed it, indicate a different story, as does my own experience of the visitors and their comments and interests. I took part in the Bannockburn 1314 area, dressed as someone in 1314 would have been. I am well aware of the politics and stupidity which marred the organisation, and have a list of things which should have been done better and of PR which was flat out lies (No, they didn’t use historical combat techniques because they kill people, and there were only 150 costumed people there, not 300, and only 100 on the field, not 300). Nevertheless, the way the media are presenting things is almost enough to make me feel like voting for independence, even although I’m not really for it.
Habbackuck seems to overlook the English fascination with all sorts of battles, like Trafalgar, or Crecy and Agincourt, or Hastings. Hastings has a very good re-enactment every few years, with a thousand or two fighting, archers, dozens cavalry etc. By contrast Bannockburn has managed 2 or 3 hundred at most with a handful of horses.
The truth is of course very difficult to find and Craig unintentionally or elseways has affirmed a need to correctly frame a story based on actual events.
Essentially we realise the MSM is only serving the interests of the corporate and political elites. Here lies the rub considering most times the MSM set the agenda which dominates the conversation. An excellent example was the lies fed into the media and reported in the run-up to the Iraq war ie we were 45 minutes from doom or armageddon.
I myself believe we are at a MSM/New Media tipping point because lost revenue has resulted in bureau closure and therefor less correspondents on the ground. We have seen a rise or expansion of New Media as the Internet has grown to provide feeds such a ‘twitter’ etc and video streaming through services such as ‘Bambuser’ and also social media. Leaks such as WikiLeaks, Global drop and SecureLeak and many others have resulted in a radical transparency without the MSM prism of filtering and lies. The trick here is to EDUCATE people best we can to consume such output. More and more citizen journalism is becoming de rigueur; as an off-ball example I use amateur radio to obtain information from citizen observations on the ground as available in a number of countries.
We must remember that electronic communication may have started the landslide that gave us a ‘No’ vote in Parliament against the NATO bombing of Syria.
In truth we are a small open-minded community here at Craig and I accept we must develop and expand. The push-back from our military/security state is gathering more powers. NSA/GCHQ is not looking for terrorists.
NSA/GCHQ is looking at us, the people.
“Spirit of Gordon” Log: 14 07 01 00 47
The ship is quiet now, save for the occasional rumble from Fred’s drums.
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Mary’s difficulties operating capcha (12 27pm) may yet prove problematical since an important duty of any ship’s librarian is to calibrate the Polynomial Kropotkyn Homology Field so that unexpected spikes in oriented submanifold pulses don’t precipitate intrinsically geometric combinatorial shifting, which, in singly graded abelian groups can quickly corupt the symplecti Lagrangian isomorphisms and scramble the library’s entire data bank.
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Ben (2 49pm) thought he was off on a holiday and, after deactivating the smoke alarm in the observation dome, proceeded to burn some kind of herb, unaware that the ventilation system was disorienting the entire crew.
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A Node’s request (3 23pm) to recycle Dad came as a shock since we all thought we had left him safely ensconced in his shed back in Surbiton.
A quick check of the ship’s instruments picked up Dad’s tell-tale morphic field emenating from a dark corner of the laundry bay, where a large grey crate was soon located bearing the logo “HABBA-POD®”.
Under Galactic Statute 38657, Section 78 any unregistered cryopods are required to be delivered intact to the relevant authorities at the next inhabited destination, so, although A Node’s logic was impecable, his request had to be denied.
It later emerged that Dad’s signal was also being picked up from his Surbiton base so we are left wondering what the Habba-Pod contains, unable for legal reasons to recycle it and unwilling, out of plain common sense, to activate the resussitation process .
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So, as the melodic humming of the Improbability Drive shifts down into maintenance mode, I’ll engage the auto pilot, activate the BBC shields and turn in.
Not the best of starts, but, as the old saying goes, better than having your brain sucked out by Altairian Grobwaats.
Goodnight all. Stay safe.
Your captain, Sofia.
ROTFLMAO.
Beam me up Scotty!
Captain, I urge you to reconsider.
The improbability drive is already overloaded and your father’s delusional ramblings are adding to the problem. His incoherence index is in the red and his non sequitur output has gone critical. The chief engineer has informed me that the engine “just canna take any more.”
Permission to feed him to the Vogons, Captain?
Nice going, keep up the good work exposing exaggerated figures.
“Spirit of Gordon”
!!! ALERT !!! ALERT !!! ALERT !!!
All personel and other complex life forms in sections B, H and P are to proceed with care to the nearest Emergency Evacuation Areas.
Seal security bulkheads as each section is cleared.
!!!AVOID VENTILATION GRILLS!!!
(Alright A Node. I should have acted on your suggestions. If we act now we may still avert disaster.)
Remaining personel are required for EGM 23 00hrs in the hydroponics bay where I will explain everything.
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“Fred – nope, Craig can reasonably claim 20k at Bannockburn because that’s the capacity, and it was a sellout, and of course with tickets all this can be totted up at the end of the day. Thus your point is simply stupidly wrong. ”
Bullshit. The capacity was 10,000 as was confirmed by the organisers. They are quoted on STV and a multitude of papers that 10,000 were there not 20,000.
So your point is a blatant lie, not true, provably false.
Is it possible that there’s a difference between “capacity” and “attendance”? People come and go throughout the event; either figure may be larger than the other.
Oh dear Fred, I know you are stupid, but I didn’t think you were that stupid. Bannockburn live was over 2 days.
2 x 10k = 20k. It was definitely a sellout on Sunday, and I heard it was on Saturday too. I did of course mean the entire event over the entire weekend, but obviously I didn’t make that clear enough for you to understand.
In fact reading back, your not understanding that Bannockburn was over 2 days seems to be a common thread. That’s how Craig gets 20k for it, because it was a 2 day event. Have I repeated that often enough for you? Actually I’m amazed you managed to complete the anti-spam sums, or do you use a calculator for them?
Clarke – there undoubtedly is a difference between capacity and attendance, but I am not aware of any figures which break that down for either AFD or Bannockburn. Good luck finding some. Plus, as a paid, ticketed event, people would not come and go from Bannockburn, they would go in, and then leave never to come back. But AFD would, as a free event by the town centre, likely have people popping in and out, which would help the figures. But there’s certainly not 35k in the photos.
The postings of absolute trivia, over the exact numbers who attended either event, or even some other event, in the local Stirling – Falkirk area are frankly, mind numbing.
The petty squabbling over crowd density at events, and other such trifles will do little to promote the sales of your literary volumes, I suggest.
Whilst you criticise a goodly proportion of potential purchasers of your volumes, in these pages here, I wonder if you will reflect on reduced sales, when readers become aware of your biased parochial ideology.
In the Upper Picture (“almosrnobody.jpg”)there are well over 1000 in the field in the foreground alone (COUNT THEM) yet they are sparsely spread out. It is quite difficult to separate the people in the larger more dense crowds around the arena, but I’d guess it will be substantially greater than just an additional thousand as you have suggested.
The trouble with disinformation like “what 2000 people look like”,
is that it is fairly easy to check that, by simply doing a physical head count in the photographs.
“Is it possible that there’s a difference between “capacity” and “attendance”? People come and go throughout the event; either figure may be larger than the other.”
Armed forces day was a free event and people will have been coming and going all day long. Looking at a photograph and claiming it shows how many different people attended during the entire day is pretty stupid.
The Bannockburn event was ticket only, it’s quite easy to prove exactly how many people were there on that day and for the entire day. There were 10,000, not the 20,000 Craig claimed.
Nit Pickers – I wouldn’t say there’s more than a thousand in the field. I counted a couple of blocks of 100 and compared to the entire field, and get maybe 600. Some of the coloured blobs are bags but even being generous with it, I don’t see more than a thousand there. Craig is of course wrong with his insistence on 1600; I think there’s several thousand more in the event.
But either way, 35k is certainly wrong, and since they were wanting 50k attendance (Look up older media reports, they say 50k) 35k is hardly a gigantic win and shows the suppleness and lack of honesty of the people who put it on.
Nit Pickers at 2 Jul, 2014 – 2:24 am
Nit Pickers at 2 Jul, 2014 – 2:44 am
@A Node
well yes OK it seems like a contradiction on my part,
but still I hoped that my intervention would illustrate
the futility of using that kind of headcount argument,
especially when it is transparently untrue.
@Guthrie
No, you must count every single person individually !
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@ Nit Pickers
Well, yes, I agree that the number crunching was crazy. At 29 Jun, 2014 – 4:48 pm I tried to inject some sanity back into the thread (it didn’t work):
I’m going to take advantage of this nearly forgotten thread to experiment with a long string of characters after my name. Don’t tell the mods.
^^^ Hmmmmm ….. didn’t work ^^^
Sorry, Mods, it’s in my nature, I’ve got to try stuff like this just to see what happens. Blame Nature.
Nearly got it ….
OK, that’s it. Delete away. Ta for your patience.
I lied – last tweak
got it, I’m sure this time
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