Gaza Conundrum

by craig on July 15, 2014 5:51 pm in Uncategorized

Egypt’s bloodthirsty military dictatorship, installed with CIA and Israeli support, offers to mediate. What’s not to trust?

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  1. LIVE UPDATES: Israeli man killed by shrapnel near Gaza border
    Security cabinet to meet at 9 P.M.; Lieberman: IDF must end operation with control of entire Gaza Strip; Netanyahu orders IDF strikes on Gaza after rocket fire; Two rockets intercepted over Tel Aviv; Israel accepts Egyptian cease-fire proposal, Hamas still debating.

  2. The Egyptian dictatorship – installed by the Americans, at the expense of the democratically elected, Muslim Brotherhood’s Mor -, is just trying to get rid of Hamas, opening the door to Gaza while the Israelis are pounding it in the hope that its leadership will simply disappear.

    Little wonder with such totalitarian moves against it that it has no interest in a ceasefire to innate its demise.

    The phony war will continue until one side changes its strategy.

  3. خاله ووسو

    15 Jul, 2014 - 6:20 pm

    You might as well say:
    UK’s bloodthirsty military dictatorship, installed with CIA and Israeli support
    France’s bloodthirsty military dictatorship, installed with CIA and Israeli support

    Let’s take the ‘bloodthirsty military dictatorship, installed with CIA and Israeli support’ bit as read.

    Egypt was subjected to the same UKUSIS false-flag sniper assaults as Syria in an attempt to kindle a civil war like Syria’s. The miltitary government is better for Egypt than the false-flag Islamic Jihad ricocheting round Syria and Iraq and indiscriminately murdering very large numbers of civilians.

    Sorry UK deception and great game policy has failed for you this time Craig. Gaza is fortunate to have a big brother to lean on at all.

  4. The Sissi puppet follows orders from Tel Aviv and pushes for a ceasefire…. which is certainly not to Gaza’s advantage.
    I do believe that Israel has been causing mayhem for weeks due to the kidnapping of 3 teenagers which killed over 20 Palestinians, injured god knows how many and imprisoned countless others, and that was in the West Bank before they started on Gaza.
    How many ceasefire’s have Israel broken in the past ? When did they ever keep their word ?
    Gaza asked for UN peacekeepers. What happened to that request ?
    Liebemann was a bouncer from Moldavia and no soldier. Netanyahu knows that a ground assault will mean as near to a fair fight as the Palestinians will get and that is no advantage to the fascists of the IDF.
    If Israel kill 1000 with their American bombs it will still be less than Cast lead and they’ll say they showed restraint.

  5. The Israelis have now murdered Sheik Ahmed Yassim, the spiritual leader of Hamas, showing they are set on getting rid of it, one way or another, and the ceasefire bit is just a tactical ploy in a campaign of assassination.

    It’s just a showdown between the jihadists.

    The Israelis are counting on the Gazans settling for force peace at any cost.

  6. Harry Fear’s latest update for RT

    Gaza human shields: Foreigners protect hospitals from IDF airstrikes

    Israel has resumed its military offensive against Gaza, just several hours after unilaterally agreeing to a ceasefire. The deescalation plan proposed by Egypt was initially supported by the Israeli government but rejected by Hamas militants, who continued firing rockets.Harry Fear visited a hospital in Gaza which continues working amid the strikes.

  7. ” Israelis have now murdered Sheik Ahmed Yassim ”

    This happened in 2004, ten years ago.

    Whatever you’re on Trowbridge can I have some?

  8. Meanwhile that noted Scottish unionist, Tony Blair, “Middle East peace envoy”, continues to rake in the millions.

  9. Actual sentence in the NYTimes: “The developments followed a relatively quiet night, in which the Israeli military bombed 25 sites in Gaza.”

  10. Your are right, Kempe, just checking to see if anyone reads my posts.

    Have looked for current Hamas leaders killed in the current onslaught, but have found none listed.

  11. “just checking to see if anyone reads my posts.”


  12. A brilliant little gem, Craig.

  13. Glad it got you laughing, Dreollin. but it underlines that the Israelis have not killed many significant Hamas leaders in the past decade, showing that the Israelis are just killing Gazans by the hundreds in the hope that they will expel them or overthrow their regime – what the Anglo-Amercans are attempting by much more subtle disasters to get rid of those they hate.

  14. War on Want @WarOnWant · 27m
    Huge protest in #London against biased #BBC coverage of #Israel military assault on #Gaza

    Stop the War @STWuk · 11m
    Big demo tonight blockades BBC demanding #BBCTruth4Gaza instead of colluding in #Israel’s #Gaza war crimes pic.


  15. The Channel 4 News report was supposed to be ‘sympathetic’ to Gaza’s plight, so I was told. I will put a video up if it appears on their website. In the meantime:

    Tuesday 15 Jul 2014 Live from Gaza: Israel bombing continues after truce plan fails Channel 4 News Foreign Correspondent Jonathan Miller is reporting on the bombardment of Gaza from the ground, where Egypt’s attempt to broker a truce between authorities in Israel and Gaza has failed. Israel began bombing again on Tuesday afternoon, while Hamas said earlier that it had not been contacted over the plans.

  16. @Trowbridge H. Ford

    “Glad it got you laughing, Dreollin. but it underlines that the Israelis have not …”

    You know perfectly well that’s not what I was laughing at. I quoted what I was laughing at.
    i.e. your attempt to say, “I was just testing you”.

  17. Israel has resumed ….

    Israel had earlier accepted….

    Israel says it launched Operation Protective Edge to stop militants firing rockets into Israel….

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said….

    The Israel Defense Forces said militants had fired 125 rockets into Israel on Tuesday….

    Timeline of attacks Source Israel Defence Forces…. – graphic

    Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev told the BBC….

    Middle East Quartet envoy Tony Blair said ….

    40 uses of the word ‘Israel’ in the report
    17 uses of the word ‘Hamas’ in the report
    3 uses of the word ‘militant’ in the report

    A few photos of wrecked buildings in Gaza and that’s the BBC’s version of events. Loaded.

    Gaza conflict: Israel restarts air strikes amid rocket fire

  18. The Channel 4 News video is up now. Jonathan Miller reports.

  19. “UPDATE: @nytimes deletes from its article the line on a “relatively quiet night” I called out, but doesn’t acknowledge why it was offensive.”

  20. Is Sisi ISIS?

    15 Jul, 2014 - 10:43 pm

    Looking at this evening’s news it is clearly Hamas (created by Israel) that are responsible for Israeli war crimes. If only Hamas (created by Israel) would call a ceasefire and end the poor Israelies existensial threat for good. Hamas (created by Israel) has been no better for the Palestinians than Israel (created by Rothschild = the world’s only trillionaires, and it’s funny you know next to nothing about them, isn’t it?)

  21. Young American Jew arrested for being Pro Palestine

  22. “Israel (created by Rothschild = the world’s only trillionaires, and it’s funny you know next to nothing about them, isn’t it?)”

    But they know everything about you.

    By the way, what kind of a name is: Is Sisi ISIS? ?

    It’s not a palindrome. But it is a puzzle.

  23. Exexpat, I saw that video. The police did not handle him with care. But a brave young man.

  24. Gaza: Israeli commandos ‘running like chickens’

    Israel reports that 13 Naval Commandos landed on a beach in Northern Gaza to “take out” a Hamas long-range missile battery. Israel’s own reporting is that they suffered four wounded and that two Palestinians died in the attack.

    Clearly the oh so powerful uniformed zionist mercenaries are not used to fighting any real fighters in a hand to hand combat and are finding it tough going when they come across any fighters. After all shooting unarmed grannies, children, old men, babies and pregnant women and dropping bombs and firing shells and rockets from far are their speciality.

  25. iphone, ipad, imac, i sis, isis

    Those SIS are funny aren’t they?

    Anyone noticed similarities of the bokoharam flag and the isis flag?

    Seems caliphate is already going strong, today Iraq, Syria, and Nigeria tomorrow the world!!

  26. As Medialens points out

    “This BBC ‘Timeline of attacks’, supplied by Israel’s IDF, suggests rockets fired and Israeli strikes are comparable” (scroll down)


    But I was slightly cheered by watching Jon Stewart’s take on things

    He may be a comedian but he has a lot of common sense.

  27. I did not attempt to say that i was testing posters on Israeli killing Hamas leaders, I said it, falsely, deliberately stating that it had just assassinated Sheik Ahmed Yassin , its spiritual leader, in the forlorn hope that posters would talk about their situation a decade later.

    They are in good shape, rejecting the unilateral ceasefire when they heard about it – what the Israelis adopted without even discussing it with them, much less adopting their pre.conditions for one, the release of its political prisoners, and opening access to Egypt.

    The Israelis continue to act as if officially Hamas simply does not exist.

  28. It is not that much US or Israel that are playing the cards in the Middle East. The Saudis and, recently, Qataris have been a tremendous (albeit invisible) force with well-defined interests that included fighting the reformist Islamic parties/movements across the region (i.e., the Muslim Brotherhood).

    I’d rather see the hand of the Saudis in the Egypt military takeover. CIA presumably has much less interest in what is going on there. I can’t comment on Israel, but its cooperation with the Saudis is well known.

  29. BrianFujisan

    16 Jul, 2014 - 1:51 am

    super kool Mandela video

    Mary… i see you were over at Zen…i left a video there, you might be interested in

  30. Could it be that Israel only has about ten days supply
    of warheads for the Iron dome system, and now they are
    running short they want a ceasefire, before the Hamas
    rockets start doing any damage?

    More than a handful of casualties on the Israeli side would
    severely damage Bibi politically…

  31. “I said it, falsely, deliberately stating that it had just assassinated Sheik Ahmed Yassin , its spiritual leader, in the forlorn hope that posters would talk about their situation a decade later.”

    That’s not what you said, Trowbridge. You said you were

    “just checking to see if anyone reads my posts.”

    Now give it up, man.

  32. Development on Twitter

    Infosec guy asks

    “What happens when @twitter accepts payment to promote one side in a propaganda war?”

    and he attaches a promoted tweet from “PM of Israel”

  33. Sisi is Jewish or a Crypto Jew if you wish. There’s an article on Veterans Today.

  34. The most cruel people are shelling/bombing a rehabilitation hospital.

    For immediate release: Gaza Friends/Israel attacks Gaza hospitals. Wed 16 July 2014 5.44am

    *International activists remain in Gaza hospital threatened by Israeli
    missiles *

    Last night, Israel’s army fired five warning missiles at El-Wafa geriatric
    hospital in Gaza City, Gaza. International volunteers now staying in the hospital in
    solidarity, have said they, “can hear missiles falling close by”.

    “The civilian population of Gaza is being bombed. We will stay with them in
    solidarity until the international community and our governments take
    action to stop Israel’s crimes against humanity.” States Swedish
    International Solidarity Movement (ISM) activist, Fred Ekblad.

    The volunteers are citizens of USA, Spain, Sweden, Venezuela, France, UK,
    Australia, and New Zealand. The first barrage of missiles hit the fourth
    floor of the hospital at 2:00AM.

    At approximately 19:00 a fifth missile hit the hospital. “Windows and doors
    were blown out, broken glass everywhere, damage to the stairs, there’s a
    big hole at the impact area and the wall is burnt,” reports Joe Catron, ISM
    activist, from the U.S.

    At around 20:00 Basman Alashi, executive director of the hospital, received
    an unidentified call from a person with a, ‘heavy Israeli accent’, asking
    if there were any injuries, whether there was any one in the top floor, and
    whether they were planning to evacuate the hospital.

    Alashi says the hospital will not be evacuated because there is nowhere to
    evacuate the patients to. “El-Wafa hospital serves the patients that need
    medical attention 24 hours a day. Including patients that can’t move, or
    people who need to be fed by tube. This hospital is the only one in Gaza
    specializing in the rehabilitation of people who need physical and
    occupational therapy. All our patients are over 60 years old, men and
    women. We don’t understand why the Israeli forces have fired five rockets
    at the hospital in the last 24 hours so far. We serve humanity.”

    *For more information contact:*

    +972597406401 Ally Cohen, ISM Media Office (English)

    +972592224699 Basman Alashi- executive director of El-Wafa hospital
    (English, Arabic)

    Internationals in the hospital:

    +972592224699 (ISM) Joseph Catron, USA (English)

    +972595594326 Manu Pineda, Spain (Spanish)

    +972595251720 Huda Julie Webb-Pullman, Australia and New Zealand (English)

    +972595209679 (ISM) Fred Ekblad, Sweden (Swedish/English)

    Brave people. We can only weep.

  35. Israel warns Gaza ahead of strikes
    Israel warns thousands of Palestinians in eastern and northern Gaza to leave their homes by Wednesday morning as it continues air strikes.

    The weather now –
    28 °C Scattered clouds.
    Feels Like: 29 °C
    Wind: 5 mph ↑ from Southwest
    Humidity: 55%

    The temperature is rising to 34C over the next fortnight.

    A hell created on earth. Smashed buildings. No water or electricity. Arid surroundings. Sheltering in schools. cf the Israeli lifestyle and living conditions esp in the settlements.

  36. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    16 Jul, 2014 - 8:34 am

    it has no interest in a ceasefire to innate its demise.
    (Trowbridge H)

    ‘Innate’ is an adjective, not a verb.
    ROFLcopter. ( (c) Dreoilin)

    The Israelis continue to act as if officially Hamas simply does not exist.
    Then what are they shooting at?

    OK, that’s flippant. Listening to the Israeli Labour leader on R4 this morning. Backed Netanyahu to the hilt: same arguments, and same strange failure to acknowledge that if you intentionally and arbitrarily target Hamas, Hamas starts shooting. I wasn’t expecting him to regret the destruction of a home for the disabled, a hospital director’s house and clinic, and numerous UNWRA facilities, of course.

    There’s a nuance here that seems to be getting missed. Netanyahu, just prior to the Egyptian proposal, was insisting that international pressure would not induce him to stop assaulting Gaza. Yet, come the proposal, it took much less time than usual for the Israelis to agree to a pause. Ergo, this was an Israeli proposal. I would guess that it was personally delivered, by the hand of Tony Blair, (who has spent longer in Israel lately than he normally spends anywhere on his travels, and who has not been recorded as ever talking to Hamas) to al-Sisi.

    What motivates al-Sisi? Primarily, the threat of withdrawal of US aid, which is wholly conditional on playing nicely with Israel. Secondarily, he’s got Islamists in Sinai, adjacent to Gaza. He really doesn’t want the two to join up. And thirdly, he’s a shit.

  37. Norman G. Finkelstein does not like to play the holocaust card but when criticised by a young German woman feels compelled to do.

  38. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    16 Jul, 2014 - 9:09 am

    Tony Blair, secure in the knowledge of another job well done, is at this moment over Western Greece, having left Tel Aviv earlier this morning. Didn’t even stop over to say goodbye to his good friend al-Sisi, with whom Blair, Price Waterhouse Cooper and Abu Dhabi have a mutually beneficial arrangement re. governance advice. (see my comments, passim)

  39. One of Israel’s prisoners. Can’t have anyone expressing thought or ideas as art.

    July 14, 2014
    Israel bars prominent Palestinian artist from traveling to N.Y. exhibit
    Palestinian artist Khaled Jarrar travels regularly to exhibit and discuss his art. This time, the Israeli army simply said no, you can’t go.

    The exhibition

  40. Good for Miguel. He says it on our behalf.

    Email to BBC Middle East correspondent Kevin Connolly
    Posted by The Editors on July 16, 2014, 9:04 am

    From: Miguel Ramano
    Date:15/07/2014 4:34 PM (GMT+00:00)
    Subject: questions

    Mr Connolly trust this finds you well and safe. in a latest piece on the BBC website, the table below (under the section head Kevin Connolly analysis) as a comparison between what has been done so far by Israel and Gaza

    “Rockets fire from Gaza .. Gaza Targets hit by Israel” – source IDF. (my emphasis)

    A couple of things:

    · The source of the table is the IDF – which you seem to have accepted as an objective source of information.

    · The table which you are using seems to be suggesting an equality in military power here – what it doesn’t show/do is enlighten your readers/viewers on the military might that is the state of Israel (funded to the tune of $3bn plus further addition for research and development). Do you think it’s not important to highlight this?

    · The table also says Gaza targets hit by Israel – are you also going to show that one of these so called “target” was a charitable association? Using the IDF official account of ‘target’ is accepting their premise that the IDF is only accidentally killing civilians. Do you think you should be questioning the IDF account given that the number of civilians dead has now gone to 138, (36 children), according to a latest UN report.

    · The piece also mentioned, “The BBC’s Kevin Connolly said that Israel’s rapid acceptance of the Egyptian ceasefire proposal was a smart tactical move. If the deal had held, Israel would have been happy with the outcome, he says, because it has damaged stockpiles of weapons that Hamas will find difficult to replenish”.

    Now this could well have been a “smart tactical move” and “Israel would have been happy with the outcome” – but in terms of the outcome, you only mention the “damaged stockpiles of weapons”. How do you know “stockpiles of weapons” have been destroyed? Why not also mention that the outcome, has been the toll that the bombardment of Gaza has had on civilians (see latest UN report)

    · Also, perhaps not your editing – I see the BBC as always refer to the usual “Palestinian officials say at least xxx people have been killed …” – is the BBC suggesting that the “Palestinian Ministry of Health in Gaza” might be making this up?” – is this the BBC’s idea of balance?




  41. Why are the Palestinians abandoned? Why does no one nation or people –in the West– support the Palestinians? Where the trees from the Spring Revolutions, the crop from those flowering democracies? Why can’t they be allowed self-determination? Why does the Arab and the Persian allow themselves to be divided by the West? Why can’t the short bridge between Sunni and Shia be crossed? Education? Tribalism? The same old problems that have tried and tested solutions… why are they not resolved? Control. Nationalism. Short-sighted opportunistic political gains at the expense of a future as one. It is infuriating, mind-humbling insane.

  42. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    16 Jul, 2014 - 10:16 am

    WITNOF is Walking Eagle doing in Florence? Is it time for his hols? Make them long ones, please God.

  43. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    16 Jul, 2014 - 10:18 am

    Last time:

    And he met Renzi in Kazakhstan this year. Birds of a feather evidently flocking.

  44. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    16 Jul, 2014 - 10:20 am

    Straight from Tel Aviv to Peretola. Just landed.

  45. Light

    I agree with you in all you say, except I am fed up hearing the West used as an excuse for the absolute disgusting venality and self-interest of Arabs and their culture. The truth is, that while Palestine is indeed treated very badly indeed by the West, the West nonetheless provides more support for Palestine – both financially and politically – than the entirely small-minded and self-interested Arab nations do. And I do not accept a distinction between the people and their leaderships there – in no Arab country do the people care enough about the Palestinians to exert pressure on their leaderships.

    There are far more westerners like us than Arabs taking to social media to protest about Gaza. And far more Christians than Muslims.

  46. That the Arabs are silent and do not help save their alms is the Conundrum. The Arab Gulf nations resemble the robber Barons of the middle ages and self preservation and more wealth is their goal.They don’t give a sh** about Palestine.
    Ghadafi was a pan Arabic leader that tried in vain to unite all Arabs and wanted a free Palestinian people.
    Any friend of Tony’s is collateral damage.

  47. Now that the IDF has killed over 200 Palestinians in the hope of making them overthrow Hamas in Gaza, it has finally resorted to attempting to kill some of its leaders by blowing up some of their houses after warning neighbors of what was planned.

    Of course, by now they all know what is afoot, and have gone into hiding.

    In short, all Gazans are now Hamas supporters, and the Israelis, unless they change course, will have to invade again, and this time there will be much higher casualties, making it likely that it will resort to nuclear weapons.

    What will the West do then?

  48. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    16 Jul, 2014 - 11:15 am

    … in no Arab country do the people care enough about the Palestinians to exert pressure on their leaderships.

    Not sure I’d go with your blanket condemnation there, Craig: Qatar is at least one exception:


    Also recently donated to UNRWA for Pal refugees in Syria.

    We might beware of blindly accepting the meme that the Arabs are doing nothing. Whose interests might that acceptance serve, eh? And even if it were true, it’s a damn good reason for doing more ourselves. Because it’s beyond dispute that not enough is being done.

    And while we’re patting ourselves on the back, remember that “the people” of the UK have so far had very little influence on US/UK policy in the region, which is not confined to providing aid to the Palestinians, but gives far more to Israel and Egypt, meanwhile stirring the regional shitheap as hard as it can to get rid of people Israel doesn’t like.

  49. Ba’al

    I am not patting us on the back at all. But the Arab contribution is paltry compared to their resources and what ought to be their interest. Tiny public gatherings of mostly Palestinians are not evidence of popular interest.

  50. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    16 Jul, 2014 - 11:26 am

    Bubbling away in the background, largely unreported in the UK –

    I’ll hand it to Kerry, he’s a hard worker and addresses himself seriously to the impossible tasks he’s given.

    Unlike Walking Eagle.

  51. Craig – Both Hizbullah and Syrians are Arabs – and they’re largest supporters of Palestinian cause after Islamic Republic of Iran. In fact, Hizbullah is the only Arab military resistance which has humiliated Israeli army twice – in 2000 and 2006.

  52. Well said, Ba’al (With Gaza), and you can add all the white, English-speaking states, especially the USA.

  53. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    16 Jul, 2014 - 11:33 am

    Hmmm, @ Craig. Given the various ethnic, tribal, national and religious divisions involved, which we are spending a lot of money to encourage, and given that spoken Arabic, varies almost as much as the Germanic language group as a whole across the region, given also that we are talking also about autocrats who control the substantial wealth of their countries and don’t encourage input from the proles, given yet again that a good Muslim gives 10% of his income to charity as his religious duty, I think you’re being hypercritical*. With respect.

    * ‘ER’. Not ‘O’, in case any illiterate pedants are watching.

  54. “largest supporters”. Well, where are they today when Gaza is being bombed? Precisely how is tis support manifesting itself?

  55. Ba’al

    Well, I think Arab cultures are horribly self-interested and materialistic. Actually I think the Arabs live by the ethical philosophy of Islam less than any other people on earth. Just my personal observation.

  56. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    16 Jul, 2014 - 11:50 am

    @ Craig -In the words of any logical-philosopher, “it depends what you mean by ‘culture'”. A clear distinction was always made by my Service mates between town and desert Arabs, in this respect, with absolute contempt implied towards the former (and occasionally OTT admiration of the latter). So I see your point. But I think it’s an unfair generalisation, which, if true, might almost give aid and comfort to the Puritans of Islam as they seek to return the Arab world to ‘better’ values.

    Relax. I’m hardly ever completely serious. You like to make people think. So do I. And thanks for the opportunity to try.

  57. Ba’al

    I am not in the least angry with you. And yes of course it is a gross generalisation. But there is an element of truth in there which deserves some thought.

  58. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    16 Jul, 2014 - 11:58 am

    @ Rehmat: PS. Hizb’ullah and Hamas are united only by their detestation of Israel. Israel tries to conflate the two for propaganda purposes, but the former is Shi’a, and the latter Sunni; the division is one we have long encouraged. Hizb’ullah is wisely staying out of this one, and is in any case partially engaged in supporting its long-term backer, Assad, in Syria. I hope it is still capable of humiliating Israel, should Israel yet again try to invade Lebanon on a specious pretext.

  59. The Arabs have been picked over by Western imperialism, especially the French, American, and the British, so much and for so long they are hardly recognize who they are, what they stand for, and with whom.

    Given what has happened to Arab leaders who wanted to change things, I am surprised that there is the support for the Palestinians that there is.

  60. A bus/taxi was targeted in Gaza this morning. The Israelis know exactly what they are doing.

  61. This is the comment that belongs with the photo.

    Abedalla Sharshara

    Three Martyrs in an air strike on a passenger bus, the bus with the yellow color used by Palestinians to travel between cities .. and this color is a sign of being a civilian vehicle ! share it .. and Tell the whole world that Israel is targeting Palestinian civilians — with Valeria Cortés, Ir Radhent Bharon Castello, Maya Christensen and 22 others in Gaza, Palestine.

  62. Will the bombing of Gaza recall the bombing of Guernica, resulting in a similar number of casualties, and triggering a general war?

  63. Craig, yes, but why is –the absence of noticeable support from the Arab Nation– that? Why is there no common cause for the Arab Nation to support, help, advise, lead? The West ‘used’ solely as an excuse? Hmm, there is weight and substance, tangibility, to the truth that The West has played the Arab Nation for its own gains. They’ve installed leadership in most of the ‘countries’ in the Middle East. Why Doesn’t the Arab Nation support Palestine, could one of the myriad of reasons be because Israel serves as a propaganda structure for their ‘leaders’?

  64. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    16 Jul, 2014 - 12:48 pm

    Meanwhile, Middle East peace envoy Tony Blair arrived in Cairo for talks on the Egyptian proposal to establish a ceasefire, sources at Cairo airport said.

    During his second visit to Cairo in less than a week, the former British prime minister is to meet with Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah al-Sissi to discuss Cairo’s attempts to de-escalate the conflict in Gaza, the sources said. (All Egyptian government media today: only source attributed is ‘sources at the airport’)

    I am led to believe otherwise. And have indirect confirmation. The ceasefire proposal is dead in the water. Why would Blair risk further humiliation?

  65. Light

    There is no doubt at all of the truth of what you say. But it does not excuse the terrible malaise of Arab society. The meme that everything – Arab corruption, poverty in Africa – is purely the fault of the West is sentimental and lazy.

  66. Gaza/Free Palestine protest outside BBC Broadcasting House, London, yesterday.

  67. Did the BBC report the Gaza protests Mary ? Or did they get the same censorship as the austerity and anti bias protests received ?

  68. Why then, the malaise? Who keeps the people in such a state of apathy, the virtue of the wealthy. Why is The Arab Nation as it is? Trace that finger back… and eventually when it stops you’ll find its tip blackened, crudely. Who covets energy? You dismiss the West’s involvement too harshly, they have and do play their part. They give aid, sure, but how much do their companies take? On what terms? To not colour The West with their responsibilities, to leave them free from accusation is, well, wrong.

  69. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    16 Jul, 2014 - 1:35 pm

    Why won’t Israel allow international observers in Gaza?

  70. No, Yes and Yes in that order Donny Darko.

    Ms Husain had Greg Philo of the Glasgow Media Group on Radio 4 Today this morning. She asked him if he thought that there was BBC bias against Palestine but she was not genuinely interested in his answer. She is hostile to him in other words. Almost jumped down his throat and kept interrupting. Dreadful woman and we all thought she was going to be a breath of fresh air. 2hrs 39mins in. A very short clip of the protest was played at the start.

    Freedland of the JC and Guardian was there for Israhell of course. Did you hear her interrupting Freedland? No.

    There is no running order for the programme provided now nor any audio clips. That is the wonderful new bells and whistles BBC.

  71. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    16 Jul, 2014 - 1:36 pm

    Still trying to get some idea of just what the steaming pile of crap was that Sisi handed Hamas without so much as talking to them. AKA truce conditions.

    Here’s a clue:

    The original is behind a paywall:

    So much for a contiguous Palestine, especially as East Palestine would simply be a network of poorly-connected waste ground between Jewish settlements.

  72. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    16 Jul, 2014 - 1:38 pm

    Why won’t Israel allow international observers in Gaza?

    Give in. Why not? Health and Safety, perhaps – they might trip over the rubble?

  73. Craig
    “I am fed up hearing the West used as an excuse for the absolute disgusting venality and self-interest of Arabs and their culture.”

    Your ability to quantify the disgusting venality and self-interest that would have existed without centuries of colonialism and imperialism against the disgusting venality and self-interest that results from centuries of colonialism and imperialism is incredible!

    Lots of people, including some really brainy ones, have thought long and hard but still find it impossible to judge how centuries of imperialist war have impacted our own familiar society. It’s not so easy to unravel.

    Where did you get your extraordinary abilities of certain insight? Was it FO training?

  74. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    16 Jul, 2014 - 1:51 pm

    I’m not sure how anyone can report this without contacting the Hague re. war crimes. Repeatedly and intentionally hitting a hospital?

  75. “Dreadful woman and we all thought she was going to be a breath of fresh air.”

    They’re all employees of the BBC, and directed by the BBC to follow its policy on all matters, especially Israel!!

    That’s why they get paid so handsomely. Faust.

    It’s a propaganda organisation. That’s all it is.

    Why would anyone expect any of them to throw their career and pension for a few dead Pallies.

    The good ole days when Guerin, Bowen and others properly contextualised the vicious brutality and cruelty of the Nazi state are over, done, over a long time ago.

    These journalists were continually hounded and hounded by Israel and its hasbara puppets for years.

    Have no positive expectations of any of them these days. Mark Thompson finally saw to that.

    Anyway, Guy Evans has a wonderful presentation of the work of Edward Bernays and how modern propaganda, public relations and all the rest of the elite garbage works:

    Bernays pretended to be horrified at what Goebells had learnt from his work, but as Evans points out, it was all there from the start.

    And it’s still there today.

  76. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 Jul, 2014 - 2:07 pm


    “The meme that everything – Arab corruption, poverty in Africa – is purely the fault of the West is sentimental and lazy.”

    Very well said – and you could have added that it is not only sentimental and lazy but revelatory of what is – or comes close to being – a hatred of the UK and the West more generally (which is, of course, also the reason why so many Eminence”s champion perceived enemies of the West like Putin).

    I think you have given some of your correspondents a few salutary truths as from your post at 10h21 today. But you are being too gracious and modest when you wrote “there is an element of truth in there {ie, in what you said} which deserves some thought”: more than en element, a whole lot of truth.

    Any way, you’ll soon notice that you have (unfortunately) have convinced none of them. Could you, though, please comment on the following, written by your reader DonnyDarko:

    “Ghadafi was a pan Arabic leader that tried in vain to unite all Arabs and wanted a free Palestinian people.”

    I myself think that is arrant nonsense, but would be interested to hear your opinion.


    Habbabkuk approves of those who tell it like it is.

  77. The IDF have a twitter page named IDF Spokesperson.

    IDFVerified account‏@IDFSpokesperson
    Exhibit A: What we do to avoid civilian casualties
    Exhibit B: What Hamas does to avoid civilian casualties

    IDFVerified account‏@IDFSpokesperson
    Today we dropped these leaflets urging civilians to move away from Hamas targets before IDF strikes in Gaza.

    How bloody kind of them.

  78. War crimes?

    The Hague?

    “The Hague — In 2002, Congress passed a law enabling United States forces to unilaterally storm into peaceful Holland to liberate American soldiers held for war crimes.”

    Don’t be expecting to see any “friends of” there either:

  79. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 Jul, 2014 - 2:17 pm

    From Mary on Mishal Husain:

    “Dreadful woman and we all thought she was going to be a breath of fresh air.”


    Disillusion, regret, recrimination – that’s what you get when you and other Eminences go a -whorin’ after false Gods, you see.

    I just don’t know whether you are naive, daft, constantly negative or eternally optimistic – or all four at once. It is, however certain no one – repeat no one – can live up to your Olympian standards.


    La vita sarebbe più bella pei Palestinesi se cessassero di sparar’ razzi contro Israël

  80. Sisi is an American puppet and American Middle Eastern policy is controlled by the needs of Israel.
    Sisi is nothing more than a continuation of millitry rule.
    Without Sisi what would exist in Egypt would be what the people voted for. The people doing the fighting were Sisi’s people because they wanted millitry rule to continue instead of what the people want.
    America and Israel are against democracy is Egypt because they know the will of the people in Egypt is to remove Zionism from Palestine.

  81. Gadaffi certainly attempted to unite the Arab states.

    He failed in that.

    He then tried to unite the African states.

    He failed in that too.

    He succeeded though in providing a very comfortable life for Libyan citizens for over forty years.

    The threat to the West was always independent states showing that one’s own resources could be employed to the betterment of one’s people, rather than simply exploited by the West and a client dictator.

    Anyway, the Empire is now gorging on its own and Westerners themselves will truly know what exploitation is all about.

  82. Arab corruption, poverty in Africa – is purely the fault of the West is sentimental and lazy.

    Corruption is rooted in poverty, subsistence wages, unequal distribution of wealth, and above all the systemic cast system that promotes cronyism and jobs for boys. The higher incidents of corruption in the third world are the results of the direct and indirect taxation by the empire that is enforced in the format of “freedom brand” and the “democracy brand” promoting systems of governance that are multinational corporate friendly. This brings about the above conditions for corruption and venality;people have to live and they will find means of supporting themselves, either through honest work or dishonest.

    Therefore dismissing the elephant in the room and apportioning blame to the natives perhaps is an oversimplification and a get of the jail card which could be misconstrued as; lazy and over sentimental.

    The simple fact remains that a handful of moneylenders and money junkies set the policies that their enforcers are then sent to enforce and realise. This then brings about the environment rife for corruption that in turn can be blamed on the “sand niggers”, et al whom should be eradicated and liquidated to make Earth a better planet to live on!

    David Icke believes the extra terrestrials and reptilians are to blamed, because he is an optimist. The reality is the hairless apes are reverting back to type and re-enacting the jungle scenes of exerting power in a bid to influence the rest of the troop!

  83. Craig. Iran and Hizbullah made Hamas and Islamic Jihad military power to humiliate the so-called world’s fourth most powerful armies. Are you suggesting that Iran or Hizbullah send their fighters in Gaza so that your Cameron and Jewish Lobby’s Obama could have an excuse to nuke both Iran and Lebanon? I assure you, both Nassrullah and Khamenei are not idiots like most of western leaders.

    On July 15, Israel-born British writer, author and musician Gilad Atzmon posted an article entitled Once Again, Israel is Defeated.

    “The situation is clear. Israel is desperate for a break in the violence. In spite of its endless ‘bravado,’ and military might, Israel lacks the military capacity and the courage to encounter Palestinian resistance on the ground. The Israeli elite recognizes that the military can’t resolve the problem, if anything, its extensive use would diminish Israeli manoeuvrability on the international front,” wrote Atzmon.

    “Hamas, on the other hand, has won its biggest military, political and ideological victory to date – it has managed to deliver some elementary messages to all of Israeli society: “You are living on our Palestinian stolen land, our right to return is elementary and is not negotiable. You Israelis don’t belong here, you never did, and you better had consider your options immediately,” adds Atzmon.

    “Hamas’ strategy in the last week has displayed a rare genius in the method it used to capitalise on Israel’s superior technology and the Iron Dome in particular. What could be smarter or more ethical than putting Israel under a constant barrage of rockets, delivering your essential message with missiles, yet knowing that no one will be hurt?,” says Atzmon.

    It seems the Zionist regime has torn apart one of UK’s most prominent Jewish Goldsmith family. British billionaire Lord James Goldsmith was one of the top Jewish donor to Israel. Yesterday, Jemima Goldsmith Khan, 40, the ex-wife of Pakistan’s world renowned cricketer Imran Khan, called her younger brother Benjamin James Goldsmith, 34, “ignorant” and “bigot” for tweeting: “Hamas uses its civilians to defend its weapons.” Ben Goldsmith is married into Rothschild family.

  84. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    16 Jul, 2014 - 2:43 pm

    The reality is the hairless apes are reverting back to type and re-enacting the jungle scenes of exerting power in a bid to influence the rest of the troop!

    I do wish I didn’t have to agree with you, but I do. And I wish the anthropological aspect were more widely considered. Can we ever be anything other than pack-primates with guns?

  85. @Passerby

    There is no denying to fact that Western colonial powers have looted almost every African country of its natural resources and left the population in poverty. However, when it comes to corruption – no African country can beat the US, UK, France, Germany and Israel. Their politicians are on payroll of pro-Israeli organizations and morally and sexually corrupted.

  86. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 Jul, 2014 - 2:47 pm

    Herbie (in loco parentis for Craig)

    “Gadaffi certainly attempted to unite the Arab states.

    He failed in that.

    He then tried to unite the African states.

    He failed in that too.”

    I don’t know whether you’re speaking for Craig on his authority or simply couldn’t restrain yourself, but thanks anyway.

    Interesting post and you obviously know a lot about Khaddafi, so I’d appreciate it is you could tell us just a little more about the main features of his “trying” and the main reasons why, in your opinion, he failed?


  87. “But the Arab contribution is paltry compared to their resources and what ought to be their interest”

    True up to a point but on the other hand only Arab nations have ever tried to take military action against Israel and also countries that have been generous supporters of Palestine (eg Iraq under Saddam Hussein and Gadhafi’s Libya) have been picked off.

    Also, Hamas has lost a lot of support from key allies like Hezbollah and Iran because of its support for the removal of Assad in Syria and is therefore rather isolated at the moment.

  88. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    16 Jul, 2014 - 2:52 pm

  89. You can slog through the long “trying” yourself, since it’s purely a factual matter.

    As to the opinion end of things, he failed because he was dealing with those who, unlike himself, were clients of the Empire and had little interest in bettering the lives of their peoples, amongst other commitments.

    That applied as much to the Arab states as to the Africans.

  90. 4 children have been killed by a shell fired from an Israeli Navy ship. They were on the beach. No words.

    Reuters confirm

  91. Habbakuk and other trolls. Please fuck off. Your droppings are jarring in the light of the news coming in.

  92. Thousands pro-Gaza protesters: ‘BBC, shame on you’

    Protesters have accused the BBC of “anti-Palestinian bias” in its reporting of the Gaza conflict as they staged a demonstration outside the corporation’s central London headquarters this evening.

    Crowds chanted “BBC, shame on you” by New Broadcasting House near Oxford Circus during a protest organized by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, Stop and War and the CND.

  93. Off TopicL 9/11 secret docs

    anyone think the Saudis are getting a bit uncomfortable?

  94. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    16 Jul, 2014 - 3:40 pm

    Mary 16 Jul, 2014 – 3:07 pm

    “Habbakuk and other trolls. Please fuck off. Your droppings are jarring in the light of the news coming in.”

    Answer honestly, Mary. Do you think that remark is likely to deter or encourage them?

  95. There will be a protest tomorrow early evening outside BBC at the Mailbox in Birmingham. There will be speakers at the Council House on the indiscriminate murders in Gaza and Eastern Ukraine from 7.30 p.m. committee room 3-4.

  96. Interesting comments by Israeli defense and aerospace engineering expert, Dr. Moti Shefer:

    He argues that the much touted Israeli Iron Dome security system is a heap of old cobblers.

    Point is, it doesn’t need to be any good because the Hamas rockets are so crap.

    Its only function is to make these crap Hamas rockets seem more threatening than they actually are:

    “Iron Dome is a sound and light show that is intercepting only Israeli public opinion, and itself, of course. Actually, all the explosions you see in the sky are self explosions. No Iron Dome missile has ever collided with a single rocket. Open spaces are a myth invented in order to up Iron Dome’s current interception percentages. The rockets announced as intercepted by Iron Dome either never reach the ground, or are virtual rockets invented and destroyed on the Iron Dome control computer. To this day, no one has ever seen an intercepted rocket fall to the ground.”

    I refer you back to Edward Bernays. Modern propaganda is all smoke, mirrors and bogeymen.

    As of course are the threats to the UK and US.

    Reminds me of those CNN scumbags back in the 1990s dressing up in gasmasks, helmets, flak jackets and god knows what else in a fuckin TV studio in the States pretending to be reporting from an Israel under existential threat.

    The whole thing is a charade, induced only to enable the Israelis to attack Gazan infrastructure.

  97. Tide must be out, Habba’s out from under his rock.

    Habba Since you are stalking ,
    Where should the 100,000 Gazan’s go that Israel have asked to leave so they can bomb their homes and hospitals ? Do you equate what Israel is doing with Nazi brutality, or do you think it’s all just okay ? Is it fair to imprison a population just because you disagree with the way they vote ? Why is democracy for Palestinians a crime in Israeli eyes ? How many tons of American bombs will be punishment enough for the union of Hamas and the PA ? You love asking questions, would love to hear your Regev point of view.

    The United Arab republic was an attempt at a Pan Arabian State. It only lasted 3 or 4 years,but it was an attempt.4 countries.
    Lasted as long as the Warsaw Ghetto but not as long as the blockade of Gaza.
    Explain why it is arrant nonsense ?

  98. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    16 Jul, 2014 - 4:10 pm

    Reminds me of the claims made for the Patriot system prior to Gulf 1. And afterwards revealed to be gross exaggerations. Mind you, the deployment in Kuwait during Gulf 2 had more success, including one American and one British aircraft…

  99. Ba’al

    There’s another important issue here, and it concerns the number of rockets the Israelis claim were fired off by Hamas.

    If, as Dr Shefer says:

    “virtual rockets invented and destroyed on the Iron Dome control computer”

    then the number of rockets fired by Hamas can be any number the Israelis choose. I thought the 800-1000 or whatever it was was rather a large number.

    Remember, this guy is an Israeli defense and aerospace engineering expert. Prize-winning, no less.

    Smoke, mirrors and media fictions are all that’s necessary to frighten a population.

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