Alex Salmond v Poll Tax 173

Alex Salmond is right to move to block attempts by Labour councils to use the new voter registrations for the referendum to catch people for twenty five year old Poll Tax default. The truth is the Labour Party is motivated not by a desire to collect the tax, but by an intention to chase the newly enfranchised back off the voters register. The Poll Tax is universally acknowledged as unjustifiably inequitable and punitive on the poor – that is why it was abolished. The very idea of digging out these ancient debts is disgusting.

The Guardian report by Labour Party hack Severin Carrell states that

David O’Neill, president of the Scottish councils’ umbrella organisation, the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities (Cosla), was furious, branding it “the oddest decision ever to come out of the Scottish government”.

Carrell fais to mention that O’Neill is a senior Labour Party politician. The referendum showed Labour and Tory to be united in Scotland. Seeing the Labour Party now determined to pursue poor people for Thatcher’s tax should drive home the lesson.

The Scottish National Party at Westminster voted unanimously against the current bombing of Iraq – which will cost the money to be saved by freezing desperately needed benefits for a year. Alex Salmond is not perfect, but again and again he shows himself the most senior politician in Britain who has some genuine beliefs founded in humanity, and acts upon them.

173 thoughts on “Alex Salmond v Poll Tax

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  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Jives re identity cards:

    “..and the benefit to all is much in dispute.”

    You’re right of course; there was opposition, but of a non-reasoning, emotive, knee-jerk kind. You know, the “it’s interfering with personal freedom and democratic rights” kind of claptrap. No valid argument on practical grounds was ever advanced, except perhaps the one which said “they can be forged” – an argument which could apply to just about any official document, so why bother with passports, driving licences and so on….

    But that’s by the by. The question will be back on the table again in due course and the next time round it’s going to happen. And high time too.

    (Including registration of addresses).

  • fred

    “Fred. if you cannot say anything nice dont say anything at all.It just makes you look foolish.”

    When I want your opinion I’ll ask for it.

    I only ever reply to personal comments made against me with flames. I will continue to respond to personal comments made against me with flames. I honestly couldn’t care less if it meets with you approval or not.

  • DoNNyDarKo

    Careful Freddie you’ll scare the sheep.
    BTW you’ve kissed goodbye to “Troll of the Month” and it’s only the 4th.
    That Christmas bonus is looking shaky.

  • Ben E. Geserit Muad'Dib Further Confounding Gender Speculators

    OT. Naomi Klein

    “The problem is, capitalism is stupid. You know that cover of Bloomberg Businessweek, “It’s Global Warming, Stupid,” well, it is global warming, but capitalism is stupid in that it doesn’t actually think. It seeks the maximum short-term profit. I think people are mistaking the fact that there are billionaires out there that do get the extent of the problem and really do talk a good game about carbon bubbles and the economic risk, for the idea that that’s going to translate into action. Where that becomes really dangerous is that the UN believes this too. I keep getting press releases from the UN about how the best part of the summit is that it has unprecedented participation from multinationals and CEOs from Bank of America and Walmart and McDonald’s and Amoco. It’s still this same idea that getting people around the table with the right information and the right incentives in place will solve this from the top, and there won’t need to be any friction.”

  • Jives


    ” The question will be back on the table again in due course and the next time round it’s going to happen. And high time too”

    Of that i have no doubt;in the same way we are bludgeoned with MSM and state propaganda in relation to wars based on lies until they get what they want.

    Please provide your evidence that opposition to ID cards is “unreasoning,emotive and knee-jerk” else it just looks as if you are vaguely posturing without any real evidence and are merely speculating.

  • Tony M

    Definitely a full horde of right-wing wing-nuts of the barking-mad variety infesting the comments section today as on most days, don’t they have their own places to hang out, or have been banned from everywhere else. ‘Leslie’ being after the regular noise, a particularly nasty piece of self-righteous deluded scum, sounding rather too much like the awful ‘Anon’, for it to be just coincidence. I still think registration of commenters requiring email verification would be desirable, with those formally labelled trolls in a democratic vote having their comments de-emphasised, or grayed out, comments from the unregistered still permitted but treated in the same way as the disruptors and useful idiots spewing their authoritarian bile and doctrine of selfishness and greed. Politics is about mitigating the worst traits of human nature, for the greater good not encouraging the vile and wicked. Their fear of tumbling from their comfortable perches lined with unearned and stolen wealth extracted from the poor with menaces, is a joy to behold.

    As this Poll Tax redux affair is a Scottish matter, and in line with the topical and utterly hilarious idea of English votes and voices for English matters the right in England have latched onto, creating a hierarchy of MPs, which will speed the collapse of the union as quicker than millions of Scots on march would do, many of those commenting have a right cheek sticking their noses in –hypocrisy it is called. Roll on the Smith commission handing down from upon high the result of their conspiratorial fudge and the necessary referendum that must follow to legitimise or not the weaselly offerings from these unionist stooges no-one had ever heard of and who’ve never had a democratic mandate in their lives. Full devo-max, or home rule, which each third of the united Westminster trougher party vowed to deliver so sincerely, is the minimum that is acceptable, with full independence as the only meaningful alternative, mandatory on the referendum ballot. Anything less is simply not on.

    Until then as the rest of UK pisses away Scotland’s wealth as it has for hundreds of years, what goes on in Westminster and what the crooks and paedo rings there get up to in alliance with their theiving banker chums, is very much Scotland’s people’s business, and we’re watching closely, noting every detail.

  • DoNNyDarKo

    Showing your true colours Freddie. Got the 16 holer jack boots on today ?
    Perfect for goose stepping around the croft aren’t they?
    Take a deep breath !! Blasphemy and bad language don’t suit you.

  • fred

    “Showing your true colours Freddie.”

    So which part of “fuck off and die” didn’t you understand then retard?

  • guano


    Your contempt for people by describing them as the ‘poor’ is breath taking. People made choices …”

    This is typical New Labour projection of their contempt for those who made different choices to their own.

    Your choices: always kiss the right arses at the right time.

    William Benyon Tory MP for Buckingham under Mrs Thatcher and proud owner of Englefield House, made the right choice and publicly challenged her poll tax legislation which would have reduced his own council/rates bill and increased his tenants’ bills.

    It’s called kicking the right arses at the right time, fair play to the gentleman. Warmongerer oildigger Zionist Churchillian Toff Cameron please bend your b*m.

  • DoNNyDarKo

    Isn’t nice being called a Nazi is it ? Think about it next time you accuse anyone of being one when your rhetoric sounds 10 times worse than Alex Salmonds ever has.
    Back under your stone slimeball.

  • fred

    “Isn’t nice being called a Nazi is it ? Think about it next time you accuse anyone of being one when your rhetoric sounds 10 times worse than Alex Salmonds ever has.
    Back under your stone slimeball.”

    You are a Nazi. Look it up and see what it stands for retard, “National Socialist” as in “Scottish National Party”.

    So fuck off and die Nazi scum.

  • guano

    Why are Labour councillors in Scotland invoking hated Tory laws?

    Maybe for the same reason that US Senators and neo-Churchillian private purchaser of nuclear weapons, David Cameron, are invoking ancient Islamic Caliphah laws against state borders in order to claim the oil from post Sykes Picot governments’ ownership.

    Diesel Dave, warmongering businessman.

  • Republicofscotland

    Such an introduction should of course go hand in hand with the obligation for citizens to register (ie, give their address) in the administrative unit where they live. In some Continental countries this registration is with the police, in others with the local authority (eg, the commune). There is no honest reason why any honest person should object as such an obligation is there on the first place to protect him or her.


    Oh you’d welcome that set up wouldn’t you, the first step to an Orwellian society, and what sort of punishment would you suggest for folk who’d lost or forgotten their ID cards?

    Isn’t it enough that the UK already has per head of population more surveillance cameras than any other country, in the world. Now you advocate the issuing of ID cards, the next step would be microchips under the skin, then eventually we’d end up like you brainwashed.
    Of course people like you, actually think the government at Westminster are working for the good of the people, or do you?

  • Republicofscotland

    You are a Nazi. Look it up and see what it stands for retard, “National Socialist” as in “Scottish National Party”.


    I think you’ll find your buddies in the BNP, EDL, NF and Orange Order, are far right wing fascists who are associated with Neo-Nazism and ironically some ultra thick Rangers FC supporters fly the Israeli flag.

    As for the SNP, they’re the most popular party in Scotland, Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon top the polls, whilst all others Lamont, Rennie, Davidson, Clegg and Cameron, are widely distrusted, and polled negative figures.

  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node


    Your tactic of flaming people who attack you personally doesn’t work, in fact it’s counter-productive. Your *robust* style has earned you many enemies and all they have to do to counter the many sensible, knowledgeable points you make is trigger you into rant mode. Presumably your logic is that nobody is going to mess with you when you come back at them hard, but actually your predictability encourages personal attacks.

    • Want to give NO supporters a bad reputation? Call Fred a Nazi.
    • Losing an argument with Fred? Wind him up and turn the argument into a flame war.
    • Troll wanting to disrupt the flow of the thread? Insult Fred and the pages will soon be filled with childish name-calling.
    • Just feeling bored? Bait Fred and sit back.

    You’ve got to change tactics, Fred, for the good of the blog and yourself. And yeah, I know – when you want my advice you’ll ask for it.

  • Republicofscotland

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu got into a heated argument with UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon on Tuesday night, according to Israeli officials, over the planned UN investigation into Israel attacking UN sites in the Gaza Strip.

    Netanyahu had demanded Ban postpone the probe into the attacks indefinitely, pending Israel releasing its own inquiry results. He also accused Ban of “discriminating” against Israel by wanting to probe the attacks on UN sites full of civilians at all.

    Israeli officials went on to say that Ban was “very emotional” about the civilian killings and didn’t accept Israel’s problem to do their own probe of the attacks, saying UN sites are supposed to be immune to attack.

    Israel attacked several UN sites during the summer war on the Gaza Strip, mostly schools being used to shelter civilians forced out of their homes by the Israeli invasion. The attacks were criticized, but Israel has insisted the attacks were either a mistake or legitimate self-defense.


    Now Netanyahu aka the devil is trying to order the UN,about, it would appear Israeli is well and truly above the law.

  • David S Briggs

    I think Fred is trying to goad you into banning him Craig, but please don’t. Every blog needs it’s resident loonie.

  • Republicofscotland

    Sweden’s new center-left government will recognize the state of Palestine in a move that will make it the first major European country to take the step, Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said on Friday.

    The U.N. General Assembly approved the de facto recognition of the sovereign state of Palestine in 2012 but the European Union and most EU countries, have yet to give official recognition.
    “The conflict between Israel and Palestine can only be solved with a two-state solution, negotiated in accordance with international law,” Lofven said during his inaugural address in parliament.

    “A two-state solution requires mutual recognition and a will to peaceful co-existence. Sweden will therefore recognize the state of Palestine.”
    For the Palestinians, Sweden’s move will be a welcome boost for its ambitions.


    At last a major EU country has decided to do the proper and decent thing, alas there’s still to many who kowtow to Israel, and its demands.

  • Mats

    Fred is simply lacking sunlight.In Scandinavia as the light disappears vodka consumption increases.Start drinking Fred,it helps.

  • glenn_uk

    People tend to swear when they want attention. I blame the parents for not giving them enough, in those early influential years.

  • Republicofscotland

    The U.S. ambassador to the UN, Samantha Powers, ever alert to opportunities to showcase Israel’s better qualities to the world (aka hasbara), suggested to the foreign ministry that it send a medical field hospital to Sierra Leone, to help that country combat the deadliest outbreak of Ebola the world has ever seen. Powers offered Israel a golden opportunity in the aftermath of the Gaza slaughter to show the world a kinder, gentler face.

    This is precisely what Israel did in the aftermath of the Haiti earthquake when it parachuted a team into the country where it stayed for two weeks, named a new baby “Israel” and promptly left–after videotaping the enterprise for suitable exploitation in hasbara efforts. I called that escapade, The Zionization of Disaster Relief.

    But this time, it was not to be. Though the foreign ministry approved the project, it required the blessing of the defense ministry. Bogie Yaalon isn’t known for his humanitarian spirit and he showed it in spades this time. He refused to offer assistance to an African country absolutely bereft of resources to fight the epidemic.

    Why am I not surprised, I suppose they must be desensitised to all the death and suffering.

  • Jives

    I never knew it was possible to have a blog where so many fucking cunt Nazi retard scum were wished death upon.

    Fucking cunts innit?

  • John Goss

    “Sweden’s new center-left government will recognize the state of Palestine in a move that will make it the first major European country to take the step, Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said on Friday.”

    Good news. Now it only needs Lofven to withdraw the European arrest warrant against Julian Assange, which has clearly been political from the start. The evil Karl Rove (who found extra votes stored in the computers to get George W Bush elected) went over to help the flagging Reinfeldt. I’m so glad the electorate has seen through this subterfuge. Reinfeldt’s family uses Elizabeth Massi Fritz themselves. She is presenting the prosecution case on behalf of Sofai Wilen. It is as strong as the case against Moazzam Begg.

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