Alex Salmond v Poll Tax 173


Alex Salmond is right to move to block attempts by Labour councils to use the new voter registrations for the referendum to catch people for twenty five year old Poll Tax default. The truth is the Labour Party is motivated not by a desire to collect the tax, but by an intention to chase the newly enfranchised back off the voters register. The Poll Tax is universally acknowledged as unjustifiably inequitable and punitive on the poor – that is why it was abolished. The very idea of digging out these ancient debts is disgusting.

The Guardian report by Labour Party hack Severin Carrell states that

David O’Neill, president of the Scottish councils’ umbrella organisation, the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities (Cosla), was furious, branding it “the oddest decision ever to come out of the Scottish government”.

Carrell fais to mention that O’Neill is a senior Labour Party politician. The referendum showed Labour and Tory to be united in Scotland. Seeing the Labour Party now determined to pursue poor people for Thatcher’s tax should drive home the lesson.

The Scottish National Party at Westminster voted unanimously against the current bombing of Iraq – which will cost the money to be saved by freezing desperately needed benefits for a year. Alex Salmond is not perfect, but again and again he shows himself the most senior politician in Britain who has some genuine beliefs founded in humanity, and acts upon them.


173 thoughts on “Alex Salmond v Poll Tax

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  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Republicofscotland

    “Such an introduction should of course go hand in hand with the obligation for citizens to register (ie, give their address) in the administrative unit where they live. In some Continental countries this registration is with the police, in others with the local authority (eg, the commune). There is no honest reason why any honest person should object as such an obligation is there on the first place to protect him or her.
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    Habb

    Oh you’d welcome that set up wouldn’t you, the first step to an Orwellian society, and what sort of punishment would you suggest for folk who’d lost or forgotten their ID cards?”

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    What a strange question, RoS. But here’s the answer:

    If someone lost his identity card, he would obliged to report the loss to the police and/or commune and request a replacement card from the competent issuing authority. More or less what already happens if you lose your passport. Do you have a passport, RoS?

    If someone forgot his card, presentation of which might be necessary for, say, obtaining an over-70s TV licence or prescription medicine without charge(just examples!) he would probably be sent away and told to come back with it. Is that problematical, RoS?

    Hope that helped.

  • John Goss

    Before the trolls jump from under their respective bridges I realise that Lofven cannot remove the arrest warrant himself, but he will know the people who can.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Compulsory registration of where people live has numerous advantages (as evidenced by the fact that it is almost universal on the Continent) and no practical drawbacks. All that is needed is to inform the authorities of your address when you move into an administrative area (“signing on”)and inform them again (“signing off”) when you leave. This is unlikely to be unduly intellectually taxing. Your new address is, every time, entered into the chip with with your ID card is equipped.

    As for Jives’ invitation to me to provide evidence that opposition to ID cards is “unreasoning,emotive and knee-jerk”, I would simply refer him to some of the websites that were set up specifically to oppose the introduction of ID at the time; they are probably still see-able on the www and one of them was called ” NO2ID” or something similar. Just a lot of righteous claptrap and lofty vapourings about “human rights” and “the surveillance society” and nary an acknowledgment of the benefits accruing to both the individual and wider society.

    Go and have a read and tell me what you think afterwards.

  • Johnstone

    The cards were stacked up against an independent Scotland from the onset…one of the bridges too far for the British establishment.
    This (below) fails to point out that a percentage of these revenues goes to the monarchy and with offshore RE probably about to take off, as opposition to onshore wind farms grows, there’s going to be much money to be made from seabed leases. Perhaps it would have been better had the SG not revealed this intention.

    https://www.scotreferendum.com/questions/what-will-happen-to-the-crown-estate-in-an-independent-scotland/

    —-Question: What will happen to the Crown Estate in an independent Scotland?
    Answer: In an independent Scotland, the current Scottish Government plans that the assets of the Crown Estate better support local economic development and provide wider community benefit in Scotland.

    The Crown Estate is currently administered by a UK body, the Crown Estate Commissioners, and the revenues flow to the UK Treasury. In an independent Scotland, the current Scottish Government plans that the assets of the Crown Estate better support local economic development and provide wider community benefit in Scotland.
    The current Scottish Government proposes to review the management of the Crown Estate and will consult on arrangements to enhance local control of assets including greater autonomy for the islands and ownership of the foreshore and local harbours. We plan to introduce community benefit associated with Scotland’s offshore renewable resource. This will deliver a direct benefit for communities across Scotland of at least half of the seabed leasing revenues and more in the islands……

    There is no doubt in my mind that Scotland has been cheated and robbed of independence.

  • Jives

    Habbabkuk,

    You sound just like a Stasi propagandist;i bet your eyes are gleaming bright and afire with your unblinking sense of certainty.

    Dangerous subservience to complete state control.

    You should know better from history.

    Oh i’im sure it wont affect you though Habbabkuk;from the inside looking out i’ts only the lives of others isn’t it?

    I know you’re fond of a quote Habbabkuk…

    “If you’ve nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.”

    Who said that Habbabkuk?

  • Jives

    Habbakuk,

    ” Just a lot of righteous claptrap and lofty vapourings about “human rights” and “the surveillance society” and nary an acknowledgment of the benefits accruing to both the individual and wider society”

    I’d bite if i didn’t know you’re only doing a sockpuppet job under orders from your line manage and actually believed this guff for a second.

    Ridiculous waffle Habbabkuk.

  • fred

    “I think you’ll find your buddies in the BNP, EDL, NF and Orange Order, are far right wing fascists who are associated with Neo-Nazism and ironically some ultra thick Rangers FC supporters fly the Israeli flag.”

    Are you fucking stupid retard.

    I have argued against all Nationalism here, British, Jewish and Scottish.

    So fuck off and die Nazi scum, unlike some here I’m not a member of nor do I support any Nationalist groups BNP, SNP or Zionist.

  • fred

    “I think Fred is trying to goad you into banning him Craig, but please don’t. Every blog needs it’s resident loonie.”

    Look another retard not got the message yet.

    Fuck off.

  • Republicofscotland

    or something similar. Just a lot of righteous claptrap and lofty vapourings about “human rights” and “the surveillance society” and nary an acknowledgment of the benefits accruing to both the individual and wider society.
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    My my there’s none so blind as those cannot see, ID’cards would be the first step in a long line of state clap downs,gradually foisted upon society you just have too look at the good old British Bobby, who now resembles, in some cases a a front line soldier, with his MP5 rifle and Glock 9 pistol.

    You just have to look across the Atlantic to see the false flag operations that have given the NSA, Homeland Security and the Patriot Act, ultimate powers over its denizens.

    And you would like to start the UK on this road of no return, thankfully in Scotland people power still holds sway, we forced the the Chief Constable Stephen House to halt armed police officers going on routine patrols. Armed police only now attend firearms incidents.

  • Republicofscotland

    I’d bite if i didn’t know you’re only doing a sockpuppet job under orders from your line manage and actually believed this guff for a second.

    Ridiculous waffle Habbabkuk.
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    Jives

    I agree with the above comment, but Habb is more than just a puppet he’s mendacious, I assume his remit is to oversee this blog for whom well, its not Craig in my opinion.

    As for his ID card comments Habb would probably like to see the Cheka on the streets of the UK.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    To round up a little in the ID cards/registration of residence issue.

    From Jives:

    “Dangerous subservience to complete state control.”
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    The first part of that presumably refers to me, the second to ID cards and registration of residence.

    How do ID cards and registration of residence equate with “complete state control”?

    Let us take Jives as an example: he has an identity and lives at an address (I suppose). What is strange or dictatorial about him having on his person a card attesting to that identity and bearing, in its chip, that address?

    Is he trying to hide from himself and denying his address?
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    Still from Jives:

    “Oh i’im sure it wont affect you though Habbabkuk;”
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    Why not? I don’t put myself above the law and don’t demand special treatment. Unlike those courageous poll tax dodgers who even brag about it on this blog 🙂

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    And yet again from Jives:

    “I’d bite if i didn’t know you’re only doing a sockpuppet job under orders from your line manage and actually believed this guff for a second.”
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    Oh, but you’re wrong: I do believe in it and what’s more important, it will happen.

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    And then on to a couple from Republicofscotland:

    “You just have to look across the Atlantic to see the false flag operations that have given the NSA, Homeland Security and the Patriot Act, ultimate powers over its denizens.”
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    Bad example, RoS, very bad example : the USA has nzither an ID card system nor compulsory registration of residence.

    So your “first step towards…” argument is poppycock.

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    “As for his ID card comments Habb would probably like to see the Cheka on the streets of the UK.”
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    I think you’re at the wrong address here – Mr Goss is the point man for the Cheka on this blog. 🙂

    £££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££

    Anyway, happy to carry on this discussion until I’ve convinced you.

    Let’s start by one or more of you qetting out exactly your objections to ID cards and a system of registering where you live. Try and be as concrete as possible, there’s good chaps.

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  • Ben E. Geserit Muad'Dib Further Confounding Gender Speculators

    “They died because they protected their younger siblings with their bodies”

    I saw a few days ago that a school was bombed on the first day of school. No genocide is worth it’s salt if you don’t kill off the lineage, Peacewisher.

  • Jives

    Habbabkuk,

    More waffle and dissembling as per..

    I note you bodyswerved my quote question.

    Funny that Habbabkuk eh?

    You’d give away anything to the state Habbabkuk as long as you were currying favour with it i sense.

    Oh it wasn’t Pastor Niemoller by the way…

  • Peacewisher

    @Ben: What is particularly sad (not strong enough word) is that they were “normal” digitally connected young citizens, and now think the west (media?) has deserted them… and as a commenter on the article says, its even worse than that – The West appeared to be actively reporting that they are bad people, some even labelling them as terrorists (I do think the emphasis is changing now, however).

  • Republicofscotland

    Cuba has 9000 Muslim’s living in it,but no Mosques, the Cuban Government banned the Muslim’s from building or opening one.

    Perhaps communist Cuba knows something much of the world doesn’t. They may have seen the devastation Islam brings with immigration: riots, demands for halal, required changes to suit the hijab, increased rape, refusal to assimilate, or even the annoyance of a 5 a.m. call to prayer.

    I can’t really say why? but the Muslim’s can do something though,they can demand they rename the “Bay of Pigs.”

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d96_1412427403

  • Republicofscotland

    BEIJING—In the recommended-reading section of Beijing’s Wangfujing bookstore, staff members have no doubt which foreign leader customers are most interested in: President Vladimir Putin, or “Putin the Great” as some Chinese call him.

    Books on Mr. Putin have been flying off shelves since the crisis in Ukraine began, far outselling those on other world leaders, sales staff say. One book, “Putin Biography: He is Born for Russia,” made the list of top 10 nonfiction best sellers at the Beijing News newspaper in September.

    China’s fascination with Mr. Putin is more than literary, marking a shift in the post-Cold War order and in Chinese politics. After decades of mutual suspicion—and one short border conflict—Beijing and Moscow are drawing closer as they simultaneously challenge the U.S.-led security architecture that has prevailed since the Soviet collapse, diplomats and analysts say.

    The former rivals for leadership of the Communist world also increasingly share a brand of anti-Western nationalism that could color President Xi Jinping’s view of the pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong. Beijing accuses Western governments of stirring unrest there, much as Mr. Putin blamed the West for the pro-democracy protests in Kiev that began late last year.
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    The warmongering west had better watch out, if China decides to back Russia, it will be a different ball game.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f5e_1412422569

  • Anon1

    Habbabkuk

    Paranoid bunch aren’t they? Do you remember when they were all advising Craig to take the battery out of his mobile phone so he couldn’t be tracked down and assassinated?

  • Republicofscotland

    Paranoid bunch aren’t they? Do you remember when they were all advising Craig to take the battery out of his mobile phone so he couldn’t be tracked down and assassinated?
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    Anon1

    Well paranoia hasn’t done Fidel Castro,any harm now has it,in fact he’s outlived many a US President.

  • Republicofscotland

    @RoS: Probably already happening… Not sure whether this was before Hong Kong protests, but an interesting development nevertheless.
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    Peacewisher

    Russia and China united against the west would be a formidable force, its a no win situation for everbody.

  • Jives

    Anon1,

    So you dont think Ambassadors revealing UK/US complicity in torture could be a target for assassination eh?

    You troll fool.

    Keep following your line managers orders though.

  • Peacewisher

    @RoS: Well hopefully that will restore the balance of power; the threat of a war between superpowers will again be too great to “try out the enemy”, and a more peaceful future based on a bipolar world will follow. Wars of “influence” since the USSR fell are quite numerous, compared to in the 70s and 80s when the cold war was “balanced”. It seems that human affairs need the two opposing forces. Good play on the radio this afternoon about the Reykjavik summit in 1986, between two cold war leaders who respected each other.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Anon1

    “Do you remember when they were all advising Craig to take the battery out of his mobile phone so he couldn’t be tracked down and assassinated?”
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    I do indeed, Anon1 !

    It was hilarious – all the more so because they were deadly serious about it!

    It’s the occasional laugh like that which makes the work of combating the Original Trolls worthwhile, isn’t it.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Jives

    What would be your objection(s) to having to carry around an ID card with a chip in it recording your address?

    You’ve been blowing hard around the general theme, but let’s hear something specific from you this time, eh?

    Thanks in advance.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Republicofscotland

    I note that you’ve just compared Craig Murray to Fidel Castro.

    I’m somewhat surprised by the choice of Fidel Castro but stand ready to be convinced. Could you please help me convince myself by setting out in more detail and with some chapter and verse the similarities and characteristics shared by Craig and Fidel?

    Thanks in advance.

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