Honoured to give the keynote speech at Amnesty’s conference on torture in London yesterday. Then dashed back to Edinburgh for a very romantic evening with Nadira – and Cameron!
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No. But a lot of people, a majority maybe, like to be told what to think.
Tom on the 9/11 thread made some very important points, but he was condescending and dismissive. In a similar way to his opponents, he had trouble accepting certain facts, notably the lack of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. He acted just like the majority unfortunately, who made up their minds about what happened without access to sufficient information. He was also active on JREF, doing video analysis to try to plot the collapse rate versus time of WTC7, so at least he did put in some actual effort.
He wrote a few things that left a lasting impression with me; “lose the geometry, lose the building” was one, “consider a spherical cow in vacuum” was another. And he was right that engineering is not physics.
Briar, don’t get me on to the Coptic Christians, who have been heavily persecuted in Egypt. The BBC actually intimated this, but then in a kind of doublespeak they went on to say that the Egyptian military launched an airstike in Libya because of “a beheading video posted on YouTube”. Right, so the security services have to rely on YouTube for accurate information.
Even more brazenly, the BBC added that the West has recently sold all these warplanes to Egypt. Other news channels this evening are reporting that “ISIS is getting closer to Europe”.
Maybe I should join Anon in that cupboard under the stairs?
Glenn
“You weren’t one of the lickspittles who fawned and grovelled over your hero Tom, begging him to please, pleasey-please come over and help you out, were you Anon?”
No I think it was before my time. I heard about it after seeing references in current blogs and thought I’d read through it for a laugh. I don’t think I even commented on it.
“Because you made such a poor job in making your case (i.e. the establishment’s official position is exactly, unquestionably right and truthful to the letter), you had to go around pleading for reinforcements.”
I didn’t make a case but if you ask me whether I believe the ‘establishment position’ (ie, what actually happened, that the buildings collapsed after commercial airliners laden with jet fuel crashed into them, then yes I do. What do you believe, Glenn? That government agents rigged the buildings with explosives? Lol.
“Tom on the 9/11 thread made some very important points, but he was condescending and dismissive.”
Don’t care. He wiped the floor with you so you all got upset about the manner with which he wiped the floor with you.
RobG
“I wonder if the likes of Anon post from the cupboard under the stairs, where they’ve built a shelter, because they are so afraid of the Muslim bogeyman that the government keeps telling them about.”
No Muslim bogeyman. You are simply unable to accept that there is a lot of terrorism carried out by Muslims around the world on a daily basis. That is why you latch on to conspiracy theories.
Personally I think you’re unlikely to prove that the buildings didn’t just fall down. As Craig noted in his original post, after the collapses there was no longer any way of proving that the buildings were really as strong as they were supposed to be. He’s a clever chap, that Craig. In any case, the buildings would have fallen down eventually, or do you think they’d still have been standing in 10,000 years time? You’ve been successfully distracted.
What you should really be banging on about is that the bulk of the published part of the 9/11 Commission Report is based entirely on presumably false confessions extracted under torture, and the bit that says whodunit is secret.
Look, this Guantanamo detainee was tortured until he falsely confessed to plotting to blow up the CN Tower in Toronto:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/16/-sp-guantanamo-diary-false-confession-slahi
Anon, by far the biggest terrorism carried out around the world on a daily basis is by the US of A, with its poodle, Britain.
I don’t latch on to conspiracy theories. I just try to point out that most sentient beings would see the total garbage that’s put out by the MSM thesedays for what it is.
‘Boots on the ground’, is that what you want because you are so angered by these savages? Great, let’s have another huge, pointless war. That’s exactly what the neo-cons want, because they make bucketloads of money from grabbing the resources of other people, and they don’t care how many get slaughtered in the process, including their own troops.
It ain’t civilisation.
Anon, see? If a given Muslim isn’t a terrorist, we can just torture him until he admits that he is.
We don’t know who did 9/11. The testimony was hopelessly corrupted on the orders of crazy islamophobes like Anon.
“I used to read there almost every day. There was a guy called Tom who claimed to be American and an engineer – very dismissive and arrogant. ”
“Yes, he wiped the floor with you.”
Who does “you” refer to in that context, Anon?
You’ve read all ten pages of comments, have you?
I just got sidetracked into reading page 10 and found it as interesting as ever. And Tomk as arrogant as ever.
Interesting that the 9/11 orthodoxy enforcement going on here takes the traditional CIA tack of diving into technical minutia and ignoring the blindingly obvious organizational absurdities. Mighty NORAD couldn’t stop 4 (four) ungainly Boeing cattle cars yawing around. None of the planes squawked the hijack code. At the time of the attack the US President was in Sarasota within spitting distance of the hijacker’s frequent rendezvous point. Multiple exercises were coincidentally rescheduled to coincide with the attack, hampering the response with fabricated noise. Five US intelligence officials, Wilshire, Blee, Casey, Bikowsky, and Bowman, acted to infiltrate hijackers. Most absurdly, the concurrent anthrax attacks used illegal US bioweapons under the secure control of the US government to attack legislators who balked the PATRIOT Act Gemaechtigungsgesetz – and FBI went looking for a lone-wolf mad scientist. That’s as if a B2 flew over New York, dropped a nuke, and we blamed the pilot. Elaborate government systems prevent events like that, like 9/11. Not a single one of those systems worked.
http://www.consensus911. org
Glenn, I was one of the lickspittles, trying to get Tom to engage with some of my questions rather than answering a load of stuff I already considered nonsense.
Tom was quite right to tell non-engineers that they shouldn’t be pronouncing on engineering matters. Unfortunately, he blew his own argument when I pointed out from my own former professional field that a camcorder microphone connected to an automatic recording level control input is very unlikely to capture a sudden loud sound such as an explosion. He got very cross and maligned my technical abilities. So just as closed-minded as most of his opponents, unfortunately.
“That guy was brought over by Angry Soba, as I recall.”
That’s right, Glenn. And you were using the expression “19 magic Arabs” which used to make me laugh. I don’t know where it originated but I’ve always associated it with you (ever since.)
Non, 8:16 pm; those are very good points, and have the huge advantage of helping to identify perpetrators, which a pile of rubble is unlikely to be much help with. It’s good to see someone taking the route suggested by former cop and whistle-blower Mike Ruppert, RIP.
It must be quite comforting, in a way … No need to answer difficult questions, revise your beliefs, acknowledge that not everything is black and white. No, you don’t even need to debate the facts because the ‘facts’ are all given to you by your government.
FTFY
Thank you Anon RobG Non Dreoi RoS and Glen for posting in green theme together ( as well as Clark and Macky yellow and blue . Is this a harbinger of spring?
Tenet notoriously had his “hair on fire” in anticipation of attack. The official creed that anon-types recite conveniently forgets what Tenet knew, which showed planning of vastly greater scope and scale than a couple dozen cave-men could pull off.
Non, I still haven’t seen anything that totally convinces me that 9/11 was an inside job (Dr Judy Wood, if I remember her name correctly, has what I think is the best take on it – I might be involved in politics, etc, but I am first and foremost an engineer).
You mention the Patriot Act, which was one of the longest and most complex pieces of legalise ever produced by the US Government. The Patriot Act was put before Congress just days after 9/11 (most signed it with barely a glance). In otherwords, the Patriot Act was obviously prepared before 9/11. This doesn’t necessarily prove a conspiracy, but it does show that there was some kind of agenda.
I believe the latest poll shows that the majority of Americans do think that 9/11 was an inside job.
Those satellite hot spots, still seen even months later, were actually pools of molten granite lava – the energy to melt the rock foundations certainly didn’t come from aircraft fuel.
“Mighty NORAD couldn’t stop 4 (four) ungainly Boeing cattle cars yawing around.”
Of course not, that isn’t what they were designed for. NORAD was to stop external threats getting into North America, their defences were all pointing outwards.
Hobnobcoookie
“I was just wondering what characteristics any such killing would need to display for you NOT to call it a false flag.”
Revenge/Qisas is not permitted outside the rule of law in Islam. You cannot just say that English people killed people in India in the past so English people have to be killed now in return. Islam doesn’t teach that, so Muslims don’t do it. Any incident that contains an element of that sort of motivation is guaranteed not be done by a Muslim, unless they are a patsy of the MI5/6 or some other force.
Why didn’t the residents of the UK stop their governments from colonising the world? The same reason that stops the Muslim residents of modern Alum Rock from stopping their present government from colonising Syria.
The tactic of errant false-flag attacks is designed to make Islam look irrational, intolerant and unmerciful in the eyes of the non-Muslims. The same old track being played over and over again is getting very boring. If you hear God save the Queen played once a year, you might stay silent for a minute if you are not RoS, but over and over again it just becomes ridiculous. Liz I used to shave and stick a wig on. Why would we not think these attacks are false-flag when they keep popping up like new films?
Non.
O la la!
Different colour wig every time!
Yes, RobG, as a defense against charges of an inside job (strictly speaking, serious crimes of concern to the international community by complicit elements of the US military/civilian command structure), the official story sticks with slapstick clownish ineptitude as the explanation for everything. It gets to the point where the military, at least, should be hanged for dereliction of duty if not for crimes. But in the link above, if there’s one fact that tears it and abruptly fails the laugh test, it’s the gripping story of Navy Captain Charles Joseph “Joe” Leidig, just promoted 60 days before, who stepped in for a Brigadier General as National Military Command Center DDO in the nick of time to counter the attack. Poor sap.
Amma juana?
Fred, you’re a moron. NORAD has a response time measured in minutes to any commercial flight path that deviates. And that’s when there’s more than four planes in the sky.
Stop talking out your ass.
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Just to demonstrate that it’s really not difficult to create a false image with the resources available now. Apologies to Non for borrowing your nom de plume.
“Fred, you’re a moron.”
Fuck off and die retard.
Fred: I have to disagree that all NORAD “faces out”, and so presumably wouldn’t have a clue if something happened within the boarders. Planes lose contact now and again, and are just about immediately escorted by a couple of fighter-jets. That – among dozens of absolute violations of protocol – just didn’t happen on Magic Arab day (thanks Dreoilin!).
Fred, you pose at being some kind of radical but whenever you’re exposed as a credulous statist asskisser, you say fuck off and die retard. It’s like hearing you say uncle. Now, just to grind your face in the dirt of your conformist mediocrity, take this,
“Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta told the 9/11 Commission that, after he joined Cheney and others in the bunker at approximately 9:20 AM, he listened to an ongoing conversation between Cheney and a young man, which took place when “the airplane was coming into the Pentagon.
“After the young man, having reported for the third time that the plane was coming closer, asked whether “the orders still stand,” Cheney emphatically said they did.”
Cheney called off NORAD’s response. The 9/11 Commission contradicted three witnesses to bury Mineta’s testimony.