Israeli Criminals No Longer Welcome 176

The state of Palestine today becomes a member of the International Criminal Court. This has a practical significance beyond the additional political pressure it piles on Israel. It means that in future Israelis will be liable to the jurisdiction of the court for crimes committed on Palestinian territory, despite Israel’s refusal to sign up to the court along with that other international rogue state, the United States of America.

In the case of the murders on the Mavi Marmara, the Court ruled that the scale of the incident did not reach the bar required for the Court’s jurisdiction – that it does not try war crimes which are individual acts. However it will be impossible to argue that at the next mass Israeli killing in Gaza, or even at the next large scale seizure of territory for Israeli settlements.

One of the many disgraces of neo-con government in the UK is the existence of legislation passed by the UK parliament specifically to allow Israeli war criminals to visit the UK without fear of arrest. That however will be overridden by Britain’s obligation to detain and hand over persons indicted by the International Criminal Court. Today’s apparently small step could change the atmosphere for the arrogant Israeli elite in a fundamental way. They will no longer be able to massacre hundreds of Palestinian women and children whenever they feel it boosts their cause, without some concern about personal consequences.

With the prospect of a deal bringing Iran back into the international community also appearing bright, we can be allowed a rare moment of optimism.

176 thoughts on “Israeli Criminals No Longer Welcome

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  • Villager

    “I should have said ‘cut and paste Krishnamurti bilge’. Tripped up there in your pathetic attempt to belittle my posts (mainly on Israel atrocities) didn’t you.
    Mary Blige, no I didn’t trip up on anything. It’s you that seems to be tripping over yourself in your hasty ill-considered and thought out comments.

    Interested in K or not, point is tell us how you propose to solve it? Or are you satisfied, on and on, in just describing the problem? Or should I say, other people’s descriptions of the problem?

    The kindly John Spencer-Davis, Esq. could join in…

    Warmest regards.

    PS How do you know what K spoke of is ‘bilge’? Have you ever read or heard him? Here’s what Aldous Huxley had to say of him in a Foreword to a book. And, dare I say (at the risk of impinging upon JSD’s fine, highly-evolved, double-barrelled sensibilities), he was a darned sight more erudite than you.

    J. Krishnamurti The First and Last Freedom Foreword by Aldous Huxley


    “In this volume of selections from the writings and recorded talks of Krishnamurti, the reader will find a clear contemporary statement of the fundamental human problem, together with an invitation to solve it in the only way in which it can be solved – for and by himself. The collective solutions, to which so many so desperately pin their faith, are never adequate. “To understand the misery and confusion that exist within ourselves, and so in the world, we must first find clarity within ourselves, and that clarity comes about through right thinking. This clarity is not to be organized, for it cannot be exchanged with another. Organized group thought is merely repetitive. Clarity is not the result of verbal assertion, but of intense self-awareness and right thinking. Right thinking is not the outcome of or mere cultivation of the intellect, nor is it conformity to pattern, however worthy and noble. Right thinking comes with self-knowledge. Without understanding yourself you have no basis for thought; without self-knowledge, what you think is not true.”

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Israeli officials are increasingly less likely to visit the UK anyway, as the Mediterranean is now their focus, as NATO’s Mediterranean Dialogue shows.

    Israel relies upon France and the USA to protect its interests now against growing European isolation because of its policies regarding Palestine.

    Looks like the Germanwings crash was an incident to redress the balance, and it was orchestrated apparently from the NATO Istres-Le Tube base northwest of Marseilles where there is all the navigational and helicopter facilities required to cause the crash, and fix the cover up.

  • fred

    “It is not quite that simple. Customary International Law is a kind of international equivalent of common law, and when something becomes well-established legal practice it can be and is enforced without necessarily adherence to a treaty. The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea for example is generally now regarded as having the status of customary international law, ie you can’t evade it just by not signing.”

    But prior to 1994 that is exactly what America did, refused to accept it as customary international law and refused to sign. I doubt action could have been taken against them.

  • Porkfright

    Mary, 2.38 p.m. The Henry Jackson Society. I’ve always been highly suspicious of this outfit. Very strange indeed.

  • fred

    “Fred, can you please explain why you persist in this belief, when there is just so much evidence to suggest otherwise?”

    Because it hasn’t happened since 1923 and there is no reason to expect it will happen in 2015.

    Orwell said that Nationalism is power hunger tempered by self-deception, the Nationalists are deceiving themselves they will hold the power in a hung parliament.

  • glenn_uk

    Trowbridge raved about the Germanwings crash, “…it was orchestrated apparently from the NATO Istres-Le Tube base northwest of Marseilles where there is all the navigational and helicopter facilities required to cause the crash, and fix the cover up.”

    “Apparently”, huh? I wonder how the pilot was persuaded to go for a toilet break at just the right area.

    Co-Pilot: “Think about all that water we flew over. Makes you want to take a leak, huh?”
    Pilot: “Maybe later.”
    Co-Pilot: “But this is such a good time to go – hey, I’ll look after things.”
    Pilot: “Well…”
    Co-Pilot: “Go on – you _really want_ to go for a leak now, man. This is the idea time and place – quick!”
    Pilot: “You’re right! I’ll just go and ‘spray my boots’, as the Aussies say. Be right back!”

  • Republicofscotland

    The politics show,explaining why the biggest party,doesn’t always form a government,how many times does it need to said before it sinks in,I wonder?

    Pity George Orwells dead,he might have gotten through to some,who refuse to listen

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Really amazing to have two German pilots speaking to one another alone in English, and the Captain recalling an Australian saying for taking a leak.

    Earlier, we were told that the Captain briefed Lubtiz about landing at Dusseldorf well over an hour later, and then leaving the cockpit,stating that the co-pilot was in command, causing him to lock the door because Sondheimer aka Sonderheimer and Sondenheimer wouldn’t be coming back anytime soon.

    When are the cover up artists going to get their story straight?

  • glenn_uk

    No, no – Trowbridge – you’ve made a mistake! That isn’t actual evidence in my post above (at 16:11) – it was a joke!

    You really need to learn to distinguish between actual sources of evidence, and the rest – speculation, jokes, conjecture, mischief-making, lunatic ravings and so on.

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    So, the original account was accurate, and not the unfunny joke you provided – i. e., the pilot Patrick Sondenheimer deliberately turned command of the plane over to Lubitz, and then left the cockpit with no comment about when he might return.

    I find posters, especially you, almost always trying to lead anyone wanting to know the truth, like me, astray.

  • Republicofscotland

    U.S. Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter said that a deal with Iran wouldn’t necessarily prevent war. reports:

    The U.S. will reserve the right to use military force to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon even if a deal is reached Iran’s nuclear program, Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said Tuesday.

    The military option certainly will remain on the table,” Carter said as negotiators in Lausanne, Switzerland, struggled to reach an agreement ahead of a March 31 deadline.

    “One of my jobs is to make sure all options are on the table,’ Carter said in remarks at Syracuse University and earlier on NBC’s “Today” program.

    Maybe Iran,will be as underhanded as the USA,and continue with its development of WMD’s, afterall only a foolish government would believe US foreign policy att face value.

  • Republicofscotland

    One in five of the business people who signed a letter supporting Tory economic policy were given honours by David Cameron in the last few years, while one third have donated money to the Conservative party, an analysis by the Independent shows.

    Among the 103 signatories of the letter, published on the front page of the Daily Telegraph this morning, are four Conservative members of the House of Lords – all ennobled by David Cameron.

    The Prime Minister also doled out 18 MBEs, OBEs, CBEs and knighthoods to signatories of the letter over the last parliament.

    Is anyone really surprised by this? No, me neither.

    100 Praetorian guards,trying to shield David Cameron.

  • Republicofscotland

    Yes Mary,it is indeed a pity that free speech has been stifled,by the minority.

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Wonder if the Southampton conference was cancelled because it risked the airing of Israel’s latest crime – i.e., the crashing of the Germanwings plane to get Palestine off any Mediterranean agenda.

  • Republicofscotland

    Sir Bob Russell, who tabled a motion in parliament last January that called for the state of Palestine to be recognised by the UK, welcomed Palestine’s accession to the International Criminal Court (ICC) on April 1, 2015, saying it was the first step on the road to the end of the oppression of the Palestinians.

    “The fact that they are subject to Apartheid, ethnic cleansing and — wickedly — a breach in international law and the Geneva Convention and United Nations resolutions by the government of Israel,” he told Sputnik in an exclusive interview.

    “Israel cannot go on behaving in the way it has in the last 20 to 30 years. The current leader of Israel [Benjamin Netanyahu] is a war criminal. Anyway you look at it, he is a war criminal.”

    It would appear a UK MP also thinks Israel,is a apartheid state,surely it can’t be, Habb,the all knowing assured us it wasn’t,could,Habb the wise one, be wrong?

  • BrianFujisan

    Craig @ 9;45

    Cheers for more on International law.

    Very touching reading Re Professor Suleiman Sharkh, he appears to also have a very good understanding International Law.

    Some here From Mary’s Link Above –

    ” Also, as many of you know, I am a Palestinian. I grew up in Gaza, but my family is originally from a town called Majdal Asqlan (now called Ashkelon by Israel). In November 1948, six months after the establishment of the State of Israel and after the wars have ended, the town was bombed and many people were killed. Those who survived were herded towards Gaza, crawling on their hand in knees in the thorny fields. Since then we have lived in squalid refugee camps. I walked around in the sand soiled by the open sewers with my bare feet. I got my first shoes when I went to school at the age of six.
    International Law was responsible for our misery. It was used to legalise the theft of our homes and it continues to be used to legalise the on-going oppression of my people by the State of Israel. The questions asked by the conference are therefore questions that I have been asking all my life. They are important questions that need to be answered….

  • Republicofscotland

    The United States and Israel have successfully tested a new missile system known as David’s Sling, American and Israeli officials say.

    Trials of the new Israeli missile system being developed in partnership with the US began last week and ended on Tuesday, officials reviewing the project said on Wednesday.

    The trial was carried out this week in central Israel by the Israeli Military Affairs Ministry and the Pentagon’s Missile Defense Agency (MDA

    Just who will “Davids Sling” be used upon? Its more than likely, the poor Palestinians will feel the wrath,of it.

  • lysias

    If David’s Sling is an air defense system and has been worked on by the Missile Defense Agency, it is presumably a system for defending against enemy rockets.

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