Total Bollocks From MI5 353


In the last decade, now 7/7 has dropped out of this statistic, only one person has been killed in the UK by an Islamic terrorist attack. Let me repeat that. In the last decade, one person has been killed in the UK by an Islamic terrorist attack. That unfortunate death was Lee Rigby.

Rigby’s tragic murder illustrated how easy it is for terrorists to commit an outrage. Two very disorganised Nigerian nutters murdered him with knives. Unfortunately, if a couple of nutters decide to go at someone on the street, they have a high chance of success.

Which is why you would have to be a lunatic actually to believe MI5’s repeated claims during the last decade that there are thousands of dedicated terrorists out there, fanatical determined and organised, but in a decade of constant effort they have succeeded in killing nobody else. There were, MI5 claim, six actual terrorist plots this year but fortunately MI5 saved all of us.

If you believe MI5’s stories, there are two possibilities. The first is that we have security services of a quite incredible efficiency, able to foil random terrorism, generally regarded as near impossible. The second is that we have thousands of dedicated terrorists of such incredible ineptitude that they can’t manage to kill anybody, even when they could choose any random undefended target in the entire UK and any method from knives to poison to hit and run to shooting to bombs, and don’t mind losing their own lives in the attempt. We have rubbish terrorists.

There is of course a third possibility – that these thousands of dedicated terrorists and these scores of foiled plots in the last decade were inventions, or at least the grossest exaggerations, by the security services. A number of fantasists have indeed been convicted and jailed. But the only, single, potential attacker in recent years who actually possessed a viable bomb was a British army soldier with a hatred of Muslims. And naturally he was not counted as nor convicted as a terrorist. Terrorists are Muslims.

The famous “liquid bomb plot”, in which it eventually transpired, unreported by mainstream media, that there were in fact no bombs and no plane tickets and the suspicious chemical found in baby bottles was Milton sterilising solution for baby bottles, is perhaps the best example.

But of course, lots of people are convicted of terrorism. Indeed law after law has stretched the definition of terrorism so far that I am almost certainly guilty of it just by publishing this blogpost. Meanwhile the Government is concentrating on bullying universities and students to ban speakers who say exactly the kind of thing I am writing here, speakers who protest against the detention and harassment of Muslims, and the continued policy of bombing Muslim countries and killing civilians.

Because there is almost no Islamic terrorism in the UK. It is virtually non-existent. It is not the true reason the corporate state wants ever more surveillance power, ever more restriction on freedom of speech and even, in universities, freedom of thought. Do not be fooled. Fight back.


353 thoughts on “Total Bollocks From MI5

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  • Peter Beswick

    Kempe

    You touch on an important point, some people expect to see blood when they see a mutilated body, not me. Not anymore it depends what Mi5 want me to see.

    But the ambulance crew who attended the scene where Dr Kelly’s body was discovered said there just was not enough blood, they even went on the telly and said there was not enough blood. They expected to see blood.

    They said it to the police at the scene and low and behold after they departed the scene, more blood was added, lots.

    Ten times more blood than was witnessed in the morning by the ambulance crew on the right leg of Kelly’s jeans and a puddle 2 and half feet long appeared in the afternoon where the female ambulance crew member was standing / crouched by when she checked for signs of life. She told Hutton there were no puddles when she was there.

    Ten times more blood on the right leg, a similar size stain on the left leg was “diluted” and blood appeared by the injured wrist that the forensic team said shouldn’t be there as if it had come from Kelly it would have been soaked up by the ground like “blotting paper”

    So you’re right the ammount of blood does matter to some but not me I just want the police to tell the truth about it and not interfere with scenes of crime but thats me I suppose, old fashioned!

  • Dave Lawton

    Voice from America: Should we Yanks be afraid of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn?

    #http://internationaltimes.it/voice-from-america-should-we-yanks-be-afraid-of-labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn/

  • Republicofscotland

    “Would you mind explaining yourself, RoS? I perceive you’re trying to be offensive, of course, but don’t see the grounds on which you’re trying to achieve it. Are you perhaps denying that the CIA ever act in an underhand manner, to sew disinformation and work the media, as in this well known example?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

    Are you saying it is _so_ far fetched that a disinformation campaign might be organised by them, that anyone (such as myself) who suggests it is automatically a lunatic in your estimable view?”
    _________________________

    Not offensive Glenn, that’s not my intention, pointing out the hypocrisy of your comments is what I’m doing.

    You’ve just shown that the CIA, can conduct secret subversive actions to influence the media, and fool the people,and have been doing so since the 50’s yet you deny that Spivey could lay open similar attempts by the British government to fool the British public.

    The question is why?

  • Peter Beswick

    Kempe I don’t read books

    Kelly’s sleave was pulled up, when he was sat against a tree the blood would flow down, when he was lay flat the blood pool near the wrist flowed away from the body.

    The wrist injury showed signs that he had repeadedly picked at the scabs to promote blood flow, he could only pick the scabs whilst conscious, but no blood on his clothes when he was picking, he must have held his hand to one side and picked with the other clear of his clothes whilst the arterial spurting continued, the PM showed Kelly died a very sudden death, the wrist injury was facing up when the ambulance crew were present and facing down when the pathologist arrived.

    Kempe I’d leave this one if I were you, Mi5 have been pulling your plonker for too long now its going to become sore..

  • Peter Beswick

    It was years later that Hunt (pathologist) remembered the great big clots of blood up Kelly’s sleave (no mention in PM report) and remembered that Kelly arteries were 80% smaller in diameter than normal and could have dropped dead in the Porton Down canteen at any time and it would not have been unusual,he didn’t remember to put that in his PM report.

    The First copper only remembered years later that he misled the inquiry that Kelly was lay flat he remembered he was actually sat against a tree. The body moved whilst the copper was present, he forgot that.

    Hutton remembered years later that if the body was moved it didn’t mean it wasn’t murder as it could only be suicide, Hutton remembered that Kelly could not have died a natural death and have his wrist cut afterwards to mimic a text book suicide.

    I remembered years later not to trust Mi5, I don’t know why I forgot.

  • Peter Beswick

    Exsanguination (death by blood loss) is a slow affair when the ulnar artery is transected if it is possible at all because of retraction and clotting.

    The painkillers that Kelly is alleged to have taken if taken in enough quantity ( not evidenced in Kelly’s case) takes even longer (days)

    The forensic evidence “a certain sign” is that Kelly died very very sudenly.

    Get used to the idea Mi5 lie, the police lie, pathologists lie, judges lies and coroners run chicken.

  • Habbabkuk (scourge of the Original Trolls)

    Disinfo

    “Habbabkuk: In which case you were just passing on duff misinformation.

    I took it at face value.”

    ________________________

    Yes, and passed it off as fact.

    That is equivalent to accepting it as your own view.

    Have you perchance noticed that people don’t usually provide links which contradict their own views?

    Much as they might deny it, people tend to provide links as a way of backing up the views they hold).

    Conclusion: you are either a charlatan or a mug. Your choice, my new commenter friend.

  • Peter Beswick

    I’m glad to see others on here joining in pissing Mi5 off by highlighting things that they would prefer you not to.

  • maynon2013

    https://maynon2013.wordpress.com/2015/03/25/between-two-ages-americas-role-in-the-technetronic-era-1982/

    Dr. Zbigniew K. Brzezinski wrote in his published book: “Between Two Ages: America’s Role in the Technetronic Era” (1982)
    The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite,unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen.These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.” – Dr. Zbigniew K. Brzezinski

  • glenn

    RoS: “Not offensive Glenn, that’s not my intention, pointing out the hypocrisy of your comments is what I’m doing.

    How am I guilty of hypocrisy? I’m pointing out that these supposed “truth-tellers” are (a) nothing of the kind, and (b) likely stooges (or useful idiots) of the secret services.

  • Dave Lawton

    @Maynon2013
    “Dr. Zbigniew K. Brzezinski wrote in his published book: “Between Two Ages: America’s Role in the Technetronic Era” (1982)”

    Published in Encounter a literary magazine which was set up and run by the CIA.I remember
    the scandal well when I was a Bristol University and we were outing agents of the CIA left right
    and centre.

  • Hieroglyph

    Dr. Zbigniew K. Brzezinski appears to be an A-Grade lunatic. Also, apparently, a key Obama adviser on foreign affairs. Terror Tuesday’s were probably the Good Doctor’s idea. I’ve honestly no idea how these certifiable neocons get to have so much influence, it truly is bizarre.

    And, the fact he’s right doesn’t negate my reading of his mental-ness. He seems genuinely pleased at this new world panopticon, as so many of them are. I think being on camera 24\7 is totally degrading, but there you go. Terrorists, blah.

  • Kempe

    ” I don’t read books ”

    I would never have guessed. You might try reading Dr Kelly’s PM though as it describes the various blood stains on his clothing also:-

    ” Many of the injuries over the left wrist show evidence of a well-developed vital reaction suggesting that they have been inflicted over a reasonable period of time (minutes rather than seconds or hours) before death. “

  • Peter Beswick

    Kempe

    I am familiar with the PM report, thats how I know Kelly died a sudden death and therefore it was not possible for him to pick at his wrists once the bleeding had stopped. The pathologist stated that Kelly was still conscious when the blood flow had become stemmed by retraction of the artery and from clotting.

    The blood staining described by the pathologist and the forensic biologist relate to the scene in the afternoon when they witnessed it.

    The forecsic team descriptions bear no relation to the scene described by witnesses who saw the body in the morning.

    When the ambulance crew heard how the afternoon scene was being described they said that’s bollocks and went on the TV and said so. They demanded to be shown photographs that were taken in the morning and again in the afternoon. Hutton then had the photos sealed away for 70 years.

  • Peter Beswick

    Kempe

    I’m sorry if I’ve put you in the frame with Mi5 but if you hadn’t kept on with your pointless Doubting Thomas act I wouldn’t be posting the hard proof you desperately don’t want to see or understand.

  • Peter Beswick

    http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110628102955/http://www.attorneygeneral.gov.uk/Publications/Documents/Roy%20Green%20forensic%20statement%2027%20September%202003.pdf

    Semen staining in the underpants (“involuntary death response”)

    “This sign then, {mucus / semen release} when present, is one of considerable importance, for it is strictly vital, and affords a sure proof of violent and sudden death;”

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?vid=OCLC

    Bloodstain right knee 8cm (80mm)

    The ambulance crew describe the bloodstain on the right knee variously as 25mm in diameter, size of a 10p and size of a 50 pence piece.

    Increase in area and volume of blood seen in the afternoon compared with the morning is ten times.

    Large blood stain on the ground by the injured wrist (where the female ambulance crew member was stood) was not witnessed by the ambulance crew, more importantly they said there were no big puddles of blood.

    And who diluted the stain on stain on the left knee

    Tell me when you’ve had enough Kempe

  • Silvio

    Dr. Zbigniew K. Brzezinski appears to be an A-Grade lunatic.

    And chances are good a psychopath as well. Today US politicians (e.g. Hillary Clinton for one) will openly admit that the US funded and assisted the fundamentalist Mujahideen forces in the Afghan war of the 1980s, but in that admission they will always perpetuate the lie that the US aid came only as a response to, and after, the entry of Soviet forces into the conflict on the side of the Afghan government against the Taliban fundamentalists. Reality is actually a bit different, according to Brzezinski.

    How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen: Interview with Zbginiew Brzezinksi

    Author/Source: Interview of Zbigniew Brzezinski Le Nouvel Observateur (France), Date: Jan 15-21, 1998, p. 76

    Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs [“From the Shadows”], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

    Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

    SNIP

    Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

    Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

    http://www.proxsa.org/resources/9-11/Brzezinski-980115-interview.htm

    Incidentally under the Afghan government Brzezinski and his accomplices conspired to overthrow: women were free to walk the streets in Western clothes, go to school or university unimpeded, enter the workforce (40% of Doctors were women) etc. No evidence it turned a hair on Brzezinki’s head that this would be coming to an end thanks to his efforts. Now of course one of the big reasons given for Western intervention in Afghanistan is to “help free the women from the bondage of Taliban fundamentalists.” See:

    http://www.forgetthespin.com/archives2008/women_afghanistan.html

  • Republicofscotland

    “How am I guilty of hypocrisy? I’m pointing out that these supposed “truth-tellers” are (a) nothing of the kind, and (b) likely stooges (or useful idiots) of the secret services.”
    ______________________

    Well Glenn it appears to me that you are judging all who investigate governmental activities, by this so called James guys actions, so if he’s a CIA asset and you yourself are pretty sure he is then I’m not surprised he’s spouting nonsense.

    But what does your probable CIA asset, have to do with Spivey, I mean surely you’re not that naive, as to believe all who investigate governmental covert activities come up with the same results.

    What is it exactly about Spivey, that makes you think he’s a crackpot or a MI5 asset?

  • Kempe

    “This sign then, {mucus / semen release} when present, is one of considerable importance, for it is strictly vital, and affords a sure proof of violent and sudden death;”

    Didn’t think you were interested in what evidence there was online but links that work would be useful.

    Anyway the quote is wrong. Depending on the position of the body it’s possible for erections and ejaculation to occur after death. I’ll leave you to run a search on post mortem ejaculations, you might even find photographic proof. If death was sudden and violent how was it done? Nobody noticed any sign of trauma on the body and there was no evidence of violence on the body or close by.

  • Peter Beswick

    I am sorry for the bad link

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?vid=OCLC36308102&id=n0YJAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA3-PA246&lpg=RA3-PA246&dq=priapism+hanging&hl=en#v=onepage&q=priapism%20hanging&f=false

    You will see the quote is not wrong, it is you that is wrong.

    If you want to look up online photos of dead peoples hardons then jog on, that information came as no surprise to me.

    There were marks on the body that suggested falling, read the reports. Norman Baker says he was told that it was done by injection in the backside, the PM report substantiates a unexplained punctate mark in the left thigh. Baker could be right, I don’t know, don’t care but please don’t tell me what I think or don’t think you just don’t have the intellectual capacity to defend those stupid remarks.

    Given Kelly’s heart problems there are a number of drugs (not checked for in the PM exams) that could have caused cardiac arrest.

    And why are you concerned about the vicinity of where the body was found. If Baker is right and his source (high up well placed etc) is correct the only solution that fits (if you have a closed mind) is Kelly died in a “safe house” close to his home, he lay on his back after death.

    He was transported to Harrowdown Hill at precisely (to the minute) 30 minutes before sunrise by helicopter and placed sat against a tree. (go on ask me how I know the timings to the minute)

    When the positioning people hidden in a boat 500yrds from where they put the body called in their report, alarm bells sounded. Hyperstasis could indicate the body was not flat on its back after death.

    The boat crew were in a radio blind area so when the error was realised they could not be contacted and a foot soldier was sent to put things right.

    At that point it all went tits.

    But you believe what ever you want Kempe and stick with your internet photo search, your critical analysis skills are now boring me.

  • Peter Beswick

    correction

    replace

    “Hyperstasis could indicate the body was not flat on its back after death.”

    with

    “Hypostasis could indicate the body was flat on its back after death.”

    In the event the hypostasis was still mobile by the evening PM, so moving the body was not required (that made me laugh, still does)

    Hypostasis not setting can be a natural phenomina or induced with drugs.

  • Vinnie

    I work in a Government building and every day I walk past a sign describing the terrorist threat level, it normally fluctuates from ‘Heightened’ to ‘Severe’ depending on how many dodgy bills are being sneaked through parliament that day.

    When I look at the sign I always think it should say:

    “Current Threat Level” – “Fabricated”

  • glenn

    RoS: “Well Glenn it appears to me that you are judging all who investigate governmental activities, by this so called James guys actions, so if he’s a CIA asset and you yourself are pretty sure he is then I’m not surprised he’s spouting nonsense.

    No, RoS – not at all. Jeez, you’ve misread it (or I’ve presented myself) very badly. If so, I apologise.

    Various “truth-tellers” like Alex Jones, Spivey and so on, do not appear very credible to me. They lie, they tell such obvious untruths that anyone using them as a reference can be discredited by association. (I know “poisoning the well” is a logical fallacy, but it works exceedingly well.) Particularly when they get their followers barking up some very silly trees – I’m not referring to you here, btw.

    In a 38 degrees meeting the other day, I was distressed to see some deluded Alex Jones believer entirely discredit himself by referencing the chem-trails, by which the Secret Government was poisoning us.

    This person has otherwise perfectly rational views, which were worth listening to, and well argued.

    Ros: “What is it exactly about Spivey, that makes you think he’s a crackpot or a MI5 asset?

    I’ve no real idea whether he’s a MI5 asset, or just a useful idiot of theirs. But in promoting that runaway dustcart as a serious “false-flag” operation, do you not feel Spivey’s credibility just a bit undermined? Then – just like Alex Jones when he goes on to discuss genuine concerns, is the entire source not undermined and more readily dismissed?

    Do you not see why sources need to be credible, as points of reference for political understandings?

  • Peter Beswick

    Robert Lewis, biographer of David Kelly who doesn’t know how Dr Kelly died but thinks it was suicide because a secret psychologist said he feared retirement (or something like that). (I don’t read books but before Robert’s book on Kelly was published a couple of chapters were kindly made available online so I read those)

    Has an interesting blog on Mi5 funding Mosque watchers to the tune of £2000 for a period of one and a half moons. And there are at least 2 or 3 thousand of theses watchers out there (I think that “or 3” might be redundant) and over a thousand Mosques that work.

    And it costing lots.

    http://robertlewis.com/

    Mi5 say the security services cost us £2 billion a year (set to rise) but won’t say how much they spend ‘cos that’s obviously secret and watching people like Craig cost £459 million or £650 million or £860 million in a budget spending peiod of 4 years (set to rise)

    And they have a pie to prove it it being spent wisely, the National Audit Office have financial oversight but Mi5 don’t tell then how they spend the money because its secret.

    https://www.mi5.gov.uk/home/about-us/who-we-are/funding.html

    And the ISC aren’t sure about too much either.

    https://b1cba9b3-a-5e6631fd-s-sites.googlegroups.com/a/independent.gov.uk/isc/files/2013-2014_ISC_AR.pdf?attachauth=ANoY7cqnnvErWiBxHhNnMGNMiZiuFwjJc36RqxQ__iyF-Xdc27KV-PAD4KmavomaY8HCpEvUQEsl7G-uOxQz14Dp0xuZ4tIWQ1Z60pbkFRzbCxORMV-Ip9_TrqMawvWynm3ayj2RsXF3-KJp2SgD0QvKeARBE5L_Gg0dQEtTnJXmTeKl_RExHVY3jT7bA07bCNL2-z4mR-hkxeCxwrZn-b2SJ–lhSg3Q_zgNMY5jOU-eRCCJbvddR0%3D&attredirects=0

    Its all money well spent, well and truly spent!

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