NATO: Crazed and Dangerous 269


Precisely why Russian action against Saudi Arabia’s proxy militias of fanatics is against western interests is something which nobody in the western elite seems to believe it is necessary to explain. That Russia is bad and evil and must be opposed is another one of those axiomatic beliefs of the governing elite, which they can’t bring themselves to believe the public do not wholeheartedly share. Equally they cannot quite understand why we the people do not see the necessity of backing the Saudi regime.

I am a stern critic of Russia’s democratic deficit, human rights record, and gangster dominated economy and government. But on all these counts it is still a thousand times better than Saudi Arabia, and I am quite certain that 99% of Europeans would be happier living in St Petersburg than Riyadh.

If the Russians turn back CIA and Saudi-backed rebels I for one shall be delighted.

Russian activity in Syria is nothing whatsoever to do with NATO. The Syrian rebels under attack by Russia are not members of NATO. Russia is not attacking Turkey and there is no chance whatsoever that Russia would deliberately attack Turkey. So the suggestion of NATO Secretary-General Stoltenberg that NATO will send forces to protect Southern Turkey is absolute madness. In the Iraq War, two of the United States “pinpoint accurate” cruise missiles aimed at Baghdad actually hit Syria. At some stage Russia is going to accidentally hit something in Turkey, it is the nature of war. It is like playing football in the garden – it is inevitable the ball will go over the neighbours’ fence at some stage, however careful you are.

Increasing the amount of military hardware in Turkey – which is already extremely militarised and already full of US forces – just increases the political temperature and chances of something going disastrously wrong, with no possible gain except making the stupid western countries who messed up the Middle East feel less envious of Putin.

NATO countries have caused the crisis in the Middle East through their disastrous and criminal invasions. Russia is not and could never be strong enough to launch an actual attack on western Europe even if Russia wanted to – which Russia most certainly does not. Just like Trident missiles, NATO was no use to the United States on 9/11 and is no use against any actual challenge we face in the world. It exists to perpetuate the dominance of a neo-con elite and ensure massive income to the arms industry.

NATO’s attempts to build up forces around Syria and around the Baltic show that NATO’s over-activity poses the only viable threat of a disastrous world war. Ask yourself this question. Why does the USA, a country which faces no risk of invasion from anybody, account for 44% of the military spending of the whole world? NATO exists solely for client states to assist the projection of US military power abroad. Every decent European should be campaigning for their country to leave NATO.


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  • Alcyone

    RobG thanks for watching and your feedback.

    You addressed everything except for the actual parade of cars and vehicles which some observers earlier were lamenting the lack of.

    As such that is classic troll behaviour on your part, but please tell me why you are such a miserable whiner, when life itself is such a gift of beauty. What do you do that gives you joy?

  • RobG

    Wow, we’ve got a half-way clever troll. GCHQ/MI5 are upping their game.

    But the spooks are such dumbos that they’ll never be able to compete.

    So, a civil society is not worth pursuing “when life itself is such a gift of beauty”, and we’re asked: “What do you do that gives you joy?”

    My greatest joy is bringing corrupt scumbags to justice.

    We’re coming for you; make no mistake about that.

  • mike

    By the looks of it, Russia is hammering IS’ war-fighting abilities. The Empire doesn’t like that. Will it strike back?

    “Chubby” Ashton seems to think so, warning today that Russia will face reprisals on its own soil.

    Sounded almost like a threat. What on earth did he mean?

  • Alcyone

    “All that was missing was fleets of Lancasters and Wellingtons flying over, before dropping tons of bombs on dusky skinned people.”

    Rob You love to put your extraordinary capacity to delude on display.

    I thought I should help you highlight it.

    Why waste such Medieval Man behaviour, if not to learn a lesson from such observation. Do you drink every day, and night?

  • Alcyone

    RobG
    9 Oct, 2015 – 9:32 pm
    Wow, we’ve got a half-way clever troll. GCHQ/MI5 are upping their game.

    But the spooks are such dumbos that they’ll never be able to compete.

    So, a civil society is not worth pursuing “when life itself is such a gift of beauty”, and we’re asked: “What do you do that gives you joy?”

    My greatest joy is bringing corrupt scumbags to justice.

    We’re coming for you; make no mistake about that.
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    Weirdo. Do you expect to be taken seriously? You’re not even capably of being a fly in anyone’s ointment. Buzz off now.

  • fred

    “By the looks of it, Russia is hammering IS’ war-fighting abilities.”

    No they aren’t. Russia is claiming to be attacking ISIS but their bombs and missiles are actually falling on the Free Syrian Army. Assad isn’t too bothered about ISIS right now, so long as ISIS is there America will leave him alone.

  • Alcyone

    I would nominate Medecins Sans Frontiers for the next Nobel Peace Prize. Unsung heroes!

  • Why be ordinary?

    The people of Chechyna – and the people of Grozny – today and for more than three months, are enduring indiscriminate bombing by the Russian army. For them humanitarian assistance is virtually unknown. It is the sick, the old and the infirm who cannot escape Grozny. While the dignity of people in crisis is so central to the honor you give today, what you acknowledge in us is our particular response to it. I appeal here today to his excellency the Ambassador of Russia and through him, to President Yeltsin, to stop the bombing of defenseless civilians in Chechnya. If conflicts and wars are an affair of the state, violations of humanitarian law, war crimes and crimes against humanity apply to all of us.

    Medcins sans Frontiers accepting Nobel Peace Prize http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1999/msf-lecture.html

  • RobG

    Alcyone, the likes of you go in for character assassination (because that’s all you can do, because you can’t hold an arguement).

    The likes of me do everything we can to bring corrupt scum to justice.

    And at the moment that includes just about half of all the sitting MPs; and it includes about 9 tenths of GCHG/MI5 (you’re all going to do jail time). I can’t really comment on MI6, because they’re all too busy being Jihad Johnny in the Middle East.

    How can you lot look at yourselves in the mirror in the morning?

  • Mary

    Carter admits the plan failed.

    ‘The United States is abandoning its train-and-equip programme aimed at producing over 5,000 rebels to fight in Syria, according to sources travelling with US defence chief Ash Carter.

    Mr Carter, however, says it is merely being overhauled.

    Either way the programme has been a disaster that a single-celled amoeba could have predicted was doomed from the start.’

    http://news.sky.com/story/1566849/us-training-of-syrian-rebels-doomed-from-start

    His CV in the Wikipedia entry describes his extensive qualifications. You can only surmise at the motivation to be involved in various capacities in the murky set up of the US war machine over many years.

    I have decided that he is just one of those old psychopathic neocons. Pro Iraq war….. Against early Guantanamo releases. ‘….as well as an advocate of preventive wars against North Korea and Iran.’ Mad and evil.

    PS He has connections with Goldman Sachs and the Council for Foreign Relations.

    The BBC version of the aborted rebel training project is here.

    US to abandon training new Syria rebel groups
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34486572

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashton_Carter

  • Alcyone

    Why Be Ord, thx for that. I was completely ignorant of it. Good for them and I think worth repeating in such a monstrous World!

  • Why be ordinary?

    A few threads ago you were going to have people lined up against a wall and shot. Are you going soft?

  • Alcyone

    “A few threads ago you were going to have people lined up against a wall and shot. Are you going soft?”

    WBO, oh he does that everyday–its a deluded state, not a passing moment. He’s quid harmless though in his little village in France!

  • Beth

    Uzbek–I think it is obvious that certain leaders think they have the right to stomp round the world telling other countries what they can or cannot do, setting themselves up as exceptional and everyone else as stupid and unremarkable. It’s an arrogance that more and more people are getting sick off. Why criticise Russia for not making its own TVs when we don’t either. Without China we would all have a lot less.

  • Alcyone

    “Without China we would all have a lot less.”

    Or, we would all make a lot more?
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    New, long post by Craig.

  • RobG

    Mary, the original report came from the Japan Times…

    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/10/07/national/science-health/new-report-links-thyroid-cancer-rise-fukushima-nuclear-crisis/

    But since Japan has started turning into a fascist lunatic asylum, and the above link might well ‘disapear’, here’s a mirror:

    http://alexanderhiggins.com/child-cancers-up-fiftyfold-after-fukushima-disaster/

    I could go into one about all this, but much like dealing with trolls, I just don’t have the energy at the moment.

  • Alcyone

    Fred, what is your evidence that the Free Syrian Army still exist (independently)?

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  • Bob

    I don’t think the Gladio B CIA trained jihadists in Chechnya represented the will of the Chechens. On that note interesting to see Graham E Fuller supports working with Russia in Syria, says something.

    The Russians have Crimea and Donbass back, it would nice if Kharkhov and Odessa etc. could also be allowed to decide their future too.

    Russia is a resource economy, what manufacturing base does Australia or Canada have?

    The cruise missiles sent a message to Turkey and the Gulfies.

    No bombing of the southern front rebels, King Abdullah has withdrawn support for the salafis, cut a deal in Moscow.

  • canspeccy

    CM says China has a much better record of economic growth than Russia, which is probably true. But rapid growth is relatively easy when you start from a position of dire poverty and are willing for your children to assemble Apple cell phones for 17 cents an hour. Nevertheless, Russia has had a far better record of economic growth tha the UK, US, etc.

  • canspeccy

    Still no comment on how Russia screwed up the Empire,s regime change operation in Syria. In this respect CM serves admirably as Pied Piper insuring that the minds of the unenlightened remain unenlightened.

  • mike

    Ah yes, the Free Syrian Army. What’s that – three blokes in a USAid tent?

    Extremist head-choppers and heart-eaters, funded and armed by the petrodollar princes, are fighting Assad. Russia is bombing the shit out of them.

    Let’s celebrate.

  • Bob

    Probably should have got the Russians to build our new nuclear power plant, unlike the Chinese they actually know how to, probably actually be affordable.

  • Why be ordinary?

    Russia is not however delivering much for its own people with life expectancy the way it is – lower than China: 70 compared to over 75

  • Alcyone

    “and are willing for your children to assemble Apple cell phones for 17 cents an hour. Nevertheless, Russia has had a far better record of economic growth tha the UK, US, etc.”

    Canspec, you are as crude as they come. By the way, do you love the White Russian Nation?

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  • N_

    How should we read the news that the US is pulling the plug on its military training of (non-ISIS) Syrian oppositionist combatants?

    A strategic retreat in the face of Russia? Or taking their guys on the ground out of the way of Russian aircraft pro tem, with some US-Russian aerial dogfights on the agenda?

  • N_

    It’s enough work watching Russia.

    Has anyone got a take on the supposed presence of China’s aircraft carrier off the Syrian coast?

    Is there any other source for this than the Zionazi psyops website Debkafile?

    I’m no great watcher of the Chinese military, but isn’t this the first big outing for the Chinese aircraft carrier? And they’re taking it to a zone where a NATO-Russian airfight may soon break out? The expected course of confrontation would probably include air exclusion zones being declared by both sides – and China would surely lose a lot of face if their own pilots had to sit on their hands the whole time. But if they scrambled aircraft, then what?

    So first, is it true about the Chinese aircraft carrier? And second, if it is true then what’s with it?

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