216 thoughts on “The Great Certainty

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  • Ba'al Zevul

    Bibi’s latest wheeze:

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/gaza-israel-s-penal-colony-1876311536

    Three hours of electricity a day. Sometimes six. In the rain and the cold, or the heat: winter and summer. Then 12 hours or more without electricity, until the next three hours, or six. Every day. Almost two million people. A million of them are refugees and the children of refugees, due directly or indirectly to Israel’s actions.

    Almost a million are children. Few people can imagine this. Few Israelis feel any guilt about it. Few Israelis seem to care at all about it. Hamas – you know.

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has a novel idea now: to this accursed place, he wants to banish the families of the knife-wielding or car-ramming assailants from the last several months.

    From now on, not only will any girl or boy with a knife or a pair of scissors be executed on the spot, as has happened increasingly of late whether it was necessary or not; from now on, their families will be punished too. They will pay.

    Other sources confirm this -BZ.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Mods

    From Fedup at 10h51:

    “The ziofuckwit vigilante thug, the way he was treating the teen age girl high school student as though he was dealing with a Medellín Cartel hit man, and after she had emptied her school bag he went ahead and shot her!!!!!!

    This is the kind of zionfuckit the oh so tossers so calmly support on this board and elsewhere, anyone who is not experiencing an intense hatred towards these supremacists thugs is not a human being, and has sold his soul to the devil.”
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    I thought that “ziofuckwit” was a banned expression on here?

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    MerkinScot

    “In Habby’s case, we can see through the attempts to divert from discussion of the slow genocide in Gaza and just how the BDS campaign is being effective.”
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    Far from diverting, MerkinScot, I have shown – by reference to the Genocide Convention – that Israle has not and is not carrying out a genocide in Gaza or indeed a

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    anywhere else.

    It is you and your bumbuddies who are constantly trying to divert (BDS, land grabs, etc, etc…) because you are unable to refute what I have written.

    Don’t be in denial. 🙂

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Macky

    “(I see that Craig has just replied, short of time to rewrite my Post but will revert back later)”
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    Don’t bother, Macky, unless you have something more sensible to say.

    PS – “revert back” : the “back” is superfluous, as you cannot revert forward. No charge!

  • Miriam

    “America will have a President who supports apartheid, land grab and the continual murder of children.”

    Apartheid, land grab and the continual murder of children? Although, not necessarily in that order, isn’t that how the USA itself came into being?

  • Paul Barbara

    ‘Practice Relating to Rule 103. Collective Punishments:
    https://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v2_rul_rule103

    Note: For practice concerning the principle of individual criminal responsibility, see Rule 102.

    I. Treaties

    Hague Regulations (1899)

    Article 50 of the 1899 Hague Regulations provides: “No general penalty, pecuniary or otherwise, can be inflicted on the population on account of the acts of individuals for which it cannot be regarded as collectively responsible.”

    Hague Regulations (1907)

    Article 50 of the 1907 Hague Regulations provides: “No general penalty, pecuniary or otherwise, shall be inflicted upon the population on account of the acts of individuals for which they cannot be regarded as jointly and severally responsible.”

    Geneva Convention III

    Article 26, sixth paragraph, of the 1949 Geneva Convention III states: “Collective disciplinary measures affecting food are prohibited.”

    Article 87, third paragraph, of the 1949 Geneva Convention III provides that “[c]ollective punishment for individual acts” is forbidden.

    Geneva Convention IV

    Article 33, first paragraph, of the 1949 Geneva Convention IV provides: “Collective penalties … are prohibited.”

    Additional Protocol I

    Article 75(2)(d) of the 1977 Additional Protocol I provides: “The following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever, whether committed by civilian or by military agents: … collective punishments”.

    Additional Protocol II

    Article 4(2)(b) of the 1977 Additional Protocol II provides: “The following acts against the persons referred to in paragraph I are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever: … collective punishments”.

    Israel collectively punishes Palestinians across the board, on a regular basis, and couldn’t give a hoot about Geneva Conventions. It carefully calculates the minimum dietary requirements of the residents of Gaza, and allows just that minimum to be imported; electricity, water and sanitation facilities were deliberately targeted by Israel, and now as has been posted already on here, electricity and water are frequently unavailable.
    Israel destroys family homes of ‘terrorists’, as well as any other homes or farms they wish to.
    The maps at http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html
    show the extent of Israeli land grabbing.
    What would REALLY get up Yank’s noses is if what happened with the USS Liberty, when Israel murderously and treacherously attacked the ship during the 1967 ‘Six-Day War’; here is a good video, ‘Dead in the Water’: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjOH1XMAwZA
    but to understand the attack better, it is advisable (and I highly recommend) to read Peter Hounam’s ‘Operation Cyanide’:

  • Paul Barbara

    Sorry, what I meant to write was:
    ‘…What would REALLY get up Yank’s noses is if what happened with the USS Liberty, when Israel murderously and treacherously attacked the ship during the 1967 ‘Six-Day War’, was widely known; here is a good video, ‘Dead in the Water’: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjOH1XMAwZA
    but to understand the attack better, it is advisable (and I highly recommend) to read Peter Hounam’s ‘Operation Cyanide’.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    From Paul Barbara:

    “Israel collectively punishes Palestinians across the board, on a regular basis, and couldn’t give a hoot about Geneva Conventions. It carefully calculates the minimum dietary requirements of the residents of Gaza, and allows just that minimum to be imported; electricity, water and sanitation facilities were deliberately targeted by Israel, and now as has been posted already on here, electricity and water are frequently unavailable.”
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    Yet another diversion, I’m afraid.

    Whether what B

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Whether what Barbara writes is true or not, it has nothing to do with the question under discussion, which is: has Israel committed or is it committing genocide?

    All these diversions merely show that the Eminences and their hangers-on are unable or unwilling to invalidate the point I made on my original magistereal post.

  • Paul Barbara

    ‘Is Israel Guilty of Genocide in Its Assault on Gaza?’:
    http://www.thenation.com/article/israel-guilty-genocide-its-assault-gaza/

    The Russell Tribunal on Palestine did not find Israel guilty of Genocide, but of War Crimes.

    They also found that Hamas’ rocket fire did not warrant the massive attack by Israel.

    And who, by the way, created Hamas, and why?
    ‘Hamas is a Creation of Mossad’:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

    It would surprise me if the Mossad was not directing it’s assets within Hamas when to fire rockets.
    Surprising thing to say? Not really; remember the Achille Lauro?
    ‘False Flag Attacks by Abu Nidal Mossad Terrorist’:
    http://www.real-debt-elimination.com/real_freedom/Propaganda/false_flag_attacks/abu_nidal_mossad_terrorist.htm
    And try: ‘Mossad Black Ops and False Flags’:
    http://www.whale.to/b/mossad_black_ops.html

  • MerkinScot

    That Israel is carrying out a slow genocide is not really the point.
    My point was that they are shit scared that the BDS campaign might affect their US backers, in particular. The majority of US citizens just see the myth of the ‘plucky little nation’ portayed by a media which is happy to collude with the notion that Zionism is relatively harmless.
    Now that they are able to see the apartheid regime in action in all its genocidal glory, the mood is slowly changing.

  • Paul Barbara

    I just received this email:
    ‘..You know you’re winning when they try to stop you. Israel has spent millions trying to shut down global efforts to divest from and sanction companies profiting from the occupation of Palestine. It’s no wonder, in recent weeks big companies Ahava and G4S have announced their withdrawal from illegal settlements.

    The campaign to tackle the money propping up the occupation of Palestine may be on the verge of its biggest win yet. Next week the United Nations will vote on banning products produced illegally in West Bank settlements! Prime Minister Cameron has called Israel’s illegal settlements “genuinely shocking”, but insiders say he plans to block the decision.

    The government is hoping it can keep this vote under the radar, but together, we can bring it into the spotlight. Join the call for Prime Minister Cameron to vote in favour of the UN ban on settlement products. When 50,000 people sign, we’ll deliver the call before the vote in Geneva next week. Sign now!

    https://secure.avaaz.org/en/uk_ban_settlement_goods_control_1/?bYzNoab&v=74147&cl=9678672049

    Prime Minister Cameron voting in favour of the ban would be in step with UK policy against settlements, and in compliance with international law. Key Tory party donors support Israel’s settlements, but the Prime Minister needs to rise above such considerations when setting British foreign policy.

    Members of the United Nations Human Rights Council are currently negotiating a resolution urging all states to ensure that they prevent products originating in Israeli settlements from entering their markets. If this resolution passes, it will be the first time a United Nations body calls for a global ban on settlements products, making it clear to corporations profiting from human rights abuses that their place in the global market is disappearing.

    Some argue that a ban on settlement products could be discriminatory towards Israel, but the opposite is the case. Many Israeli goods and services that aren’t made as a result of or to abuse human rights could still be sold. Products stolen or produced illegally from blood diamonds to rare earth minerals are banned all across the world because they intensify conflict, why treat settlement products differently?

    This campaign is not anti-Israel — this is the most potent non-violent strategy to end the ritual violence, ensure peace and achieve freedom for all sides. Israel’s power and wealth dwarfs Palestine, and if it refuses to end its illegal occupation, the world must act to make the cost unbearable.

    Sign the petition now to tell Prime Minister Cameron to stop blocking the UN vote to ban settlement products. Sign now:

    https://secure.avaaz.org/en/uk_ban_settlement_goods_control_1/?bYzNoab&v=74147&cl=9678672049

    The Avaaz community helped convince Barclays and G4S to end their complicity in human rights abuses in Palestine. Our campaigning has brought us closer to freedom and peace. If we keep pushing forward and winning, we can put an end to continued military occupation and violence. Together, we’re unstoppable.

    With hope and determination,

    Fadi, Falastine, Emily, Alex, and all the Avaaz team’

    Yes, BDS is working, and will continue to be a massive thorn in Israel’s side, or rather, in their disinfo campaigns.
    Another serious problem for them is ‘Football Against Apartheid’.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    MerkinScot

    “That Israel is carrying out a slow genocide is not really the point.”
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    Now that I have demolished your “argument” you suddenly say that an alleged Israeli genocide is “not really the point”.

    The point of this exchange has been that I have refuted the often-repeated inaccurate and tendentious claim made on here that Israel has committed or is committing genocide against the Palestinians.

    So any post which addresses that notion is the point of this exchange. All other notions – in your case, whether BDS works or not – are not to that point and are therefore diversions.

    Gamma double minus – again.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    But I forgive you, as always – you cannot do otherwise and you are either born honest or not.

    I suppose that if I had one of my claims as comprehensively demolished as your “Israel is committing genocide” claim was, I too might be tempted to create a little dust-storm of diversions.

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    Be careful – I might just decide to demolish your BDS nonsense as well!

  • MerkinScot

    Well, Paul, as Jonesy said “They don’t like it up ’em”.
    Habba can make as many assertions as he likes. We are well used to it.
    YOU out there can do something to help stop the slow genocide.
    Support the BDS boycott of the apartheid state.
    It is obviously working.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    MerkinScot

    “Support the BDS boycott of the apartheid state.
    It is obviously working.”
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    In which case it would hardly need your repeated and shrill endorsements, would it.

    You are the gift that keeps giving. 🙂

  • Aidworker1

    Isn’t it amazing that Habba keeps posting!

    Does he really think his lies will convince us?

    That those who have heard directly from Palestinians and even Americans what goes on, particularly in the West Bank, cannot fail to recognise this as the greatest systematic abuse of human rights in the world.

    These sites have already been referenced.

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
    http://annainthemiddleeast.com/

    There are lots of others.

    Why don’t you go and find out Habba? I presume you’re in Tel Aviv – not far from you?

    If you change your bigotry we’d welcome you with open arms.

  • 086-38-5955

    Come on, every American who votes agrees with apartheid, land grab and the continual murder of children. Mister Trump’s distinctive appeal is that he didn’t murder Cesar Chavez – CIA did that for Hillary.

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/03/14/murder-chavez-cia-and-dea-cover-their-tracks.html

    Mister Trump has never murdered any sitting heads of state.

    Hillary compared Sanders to Chavez so I guess CIA’s going to poison him too, if he doesn’t give up. Sanders called Chavez names too so I guess he’s scared of getting killed like Chavez.

    So don’t say there’s no difference between the candidates. Mister Trump is the clear choice.

  • Herbie

    “John Kerry: Isis is committing genocide in Syria and Iraq”

    “The US has declared that Islamic State is committing genocide against Christians and other minorities, amid mounting global pressure to recognise atrocities committed in Iraq and Syria as a deliberate drive to wipe out certain religious groups.”

    His reasoning:

    “US secretary of state John Kerry said that Isis, known in Arabic by its acronym Daesh, was “genocidal by self-proclamation, by ideology and by actions, in what it says, in what believes and in what it does”.

    He said: “In my judgment, Daesh is responsible for genocide against groups in areas under its control including Yazidis, Christians and Shia Muslims.””

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/17/john-kerry-isis-genocide-syria-iraq

    Shouldn’t have funded, armed and equipped them, Mr Kerry.

    Anyway.

    I’m sure Mr Kerry, were he to turn his attention south, shall find another US-funded, armed and equipped outfit, “genocidal by self-proclamation, by ideology and by actions, in what it says, in what believes and in what it does”.

    Step forward, Israel, Mr Kerry’s bestest friend.

  • fedup

    Aidworker1 the macabre genocide denial of the known loser on this thread begs the question;

    1- How many deaths are considered a genocide?

    2- How many souls incarcerated in camps on daily minimum calorie dietary regimen with limited access to potable water, hospitals, health care, and who are subject to treatment as described in article two of the genocide convention, before it is classed as genocide?

    Prof. Charny puts the figure of the dead at ten thousand, and calls it a genocide:

    “If that’s not genocide, what is? You have 10,000 unarmed civilians of religion X who were murdered by adherents of religion Y. What is that? Political murder? I think that’s genocide.”

    The aggregate deaths of Palestinians and the other Arabs (Muslims)in the area directly and indirectly (Shock and awe based on “a clean break”) far exceed these figures.

    Furthermore the nonsense plastered about “intent” is to explain away the inaction of the world powers in the face of an obvious genocide taking place!

    Fact is the world powers are not classifying the mass murder of Palestinians as a genocide, not because of “intent” nonsense, but because by doing so, these world will be obliged to act and stop the perpetrators of the genocide as per the convention of genocide!

    In other words the genocide is taking place and no one is accepting it is a genocide and the resident hasbara keyboard brigade is busy obfuscating the fact further.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Aidworker

    “Isn’t it amazing that Habba keeps posting!”
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    Why is it amazing?
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    “Does he really think his lies will convince us?”

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    Which lies are those? Do you mean when I demonstrated, against the yardstick of the UN Genocide Convention, that Israel has not committed and is not committing genocide against the Palestibians? If that’s a lie, why don’t you expose it withg fact and argument?
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    ~”That those who have heard directly from Palestinians and even Americans what goes on, particularly in the West Bank, cannot fail to recognise this as the greatest systematic abuse of human rights in the world.”
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    Surely you mean “in all recorded history”? You missed a trick there, didn’t you.

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    These sites have already been referenced.

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
    http://annainthemiddleeast.com/

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    So? Anyone can open a website and say whatever he or she likes. Look at Goss’s or Spivey’s for example.

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    “If you change your bigotry we’d welcome you with open arms.”
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    Who’s “we”? The little group of Excellences and hangers-on, formed half-bent over in a shuffling circle of mutual buggery?

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Fedup

    “Furthermore the nonsense plastered about “intent” is to explain away the inaction of the world powers in the face of an obvious genocide taking place!”
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    I’m sorry you should think that the concept of intent – central to the 1951 UN Genocide Convention (and indeed to many other bits of both domestic and international legislation)- is nonsensical.

    But it’s true you are something of a specialist in nonsense.

  • Aidworker1

    Fedup – all good points.

    I seem to have silenced Hab – let’s hope he’s gone and he never darkens our blog again.

    Of course it’s late in Tel Aviv and the next shift will take over.

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