Back to the Future 400

The priority now of the political “elite” is to ensure voters never again get the chance to make a choice the political class do not want. Jeremy Corbyn is the thing the political class want least.

Do you remember when 184 Labour MPs refused to vote against the Tory benefit cuts that ruined lives and caused suicides? They did so on the grounds that their focus groups showed the public wanted benefit cuts, and so it would be wrong to oppose the Tory Welfare Reform and Work Bill.

Well, I can promise you that the 172 Labour MPs who voted to no-confidence Corbyn are exactly the same people who would not oppose welfare cuts. The net effect of the Corbyn year has been that 12 Labour MPs have decided that they have a purpose in politics which is not just personal gain. The vast majority would vote to push the unemployed off a cliff if they thought it would get them career advancement. Or adapt the John Mann anti-immigrant agenda.

Make no mistake. If Corbyn is deposed, the people of England and Wales will be back to having a choice between two colours of Tory. Labour will go full on anti welfare, anti immigrant and pro-nuclear weapon. Because Jon Cruddas will tell them that is what will get them elected.

In the UK, 78% of people do not know the name of their MP. With Labour MPs it was 82%. The idea that they have a “personal mandate” is rubbish. People vote for the party. In Blackburn I stood as an Independent against Jack Straw and all the main parties, and got 5% of the vote. Not one of those 172 Labour Party MPs would get 5% if they stood as an Independent.

The SNP has mandatory reselection for every MP and MSP for every election. It is a fundamental democratic need. The mainstream media are now trying to generate horror at the idea that the Labour MPs should be accountable to their local members, in whose name they wish to stand again. It is a ridiculous argument that people who have behaved like Simon Danczuk should have the right to represent the Labour Party for life. Yet it is the democratic alternative which the media are seeking to demonise.

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  • nevermind

    Here are a few companies who will very likely leave the UK for other countries, just as it was planned by the Tory party, sorry, there was no plan but they knew and still carried on, what drove them to it? Why not stop the referendum by resigning,Boris? if you are a half hearted PM wannabe who does not really believe in it.

    To make it easier for all involved its in pictures.

  • Tony M

    Like galloping sheep, the cry goes up: “Corbyn!”, “Labour!”. I suppose someone has to put them back in their pen. PHEEP.

  • Pykrete

    According to John McDonnell, Corbyn will fight on and he denied rumours that he was trying to persuade him to stand down. “Jeremy’s well up for it, he’s enjoying it,” he said.

    So JC’s enjoying this almighty clusterf**k. Words fail me.

    • John Spencer-Davis

      I’m damned glad he’s enjoying it. He knew it was coming: and he was ready for it.

    • Jim

      That’s what I thought too. Incredible if true. What a pair of jokers. He’ll be invoking Mao again next, such jolly japes!

      • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella!)

        If that is the case, I suppose you would have to call Messrs Blair and Bush leaders?

    • DomesticExtremist

      How long would his challenger last against such an onslaught?
      She’d be reduced to tears by a sideways comment about her hairstyle.

    • Mulga Mumblebrain

      Of course Corbyn ought to be enjoying the healing catharsis as he cleanses Labour of the Augean filth of Blairism. He just needs to channel the river of popular support through the constituencies and all the shit and filth will be washed away.

  • John Spencer-Davis

    From Labour List (my italics):

    Over 240 Labour councillors have signed an open letter giving their continued backing to Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership and slammed the moves against him as “indulgent” and “self-defeating”.

    This is the latest sign of a grassroots lashback against MPs’ attempts to get rid of Corbyn as leader, following a large rally outside Parliament on Monday night, and a NewsNight survey of 50 Constituency Labour Party (CLP) chairs that found 90 per cent were still behind him.


    We are a group of Labour Party councillors who are dismayed by the attempt by some within the Parliamentary Labour Party to oust our democratically elected leader, Jeremy Corbyn. Many of us were elected in May, where in spite of predictions of an electoral meltdown, we won our seats. Voters who had previously felt abandoned by the Labour Party returned to vote for us, returned as members, and returned as campaigners.

    It would be utterly self-defeating for the people we represent if now, less than a year after Jeremy was elected on the single biggest mandate of any previous leader, he was to be forced from office. It is our view that the behaviour of some members of the Parliamentary Labour Party is totally self-indulgent and at odds with what the communities we represent need. We will risk losing all those new members and enthusiastic campaigners who joined us because Jeremy offered a vision of hope for the future.

    Our enemy is not Jeremy Corbyn – it is the Tory party and their plans to use the EU referendum as a fig leaf to inflict further cuts to the councils we represent.

    We hope that those MPs who have embarked on this indulgent course of action will reflect on their behaviour and turn their fire on the real enemy, the Tory Party

    (Signed by 246 Labour councillors.)


    Chin up! Not all is dark.

    • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella!)


      Could you just remind us of the total number of Labour councillors in the UK?

      And, while you’re at it, how many Constituency Labour Parties are there in total?


      • Heiland


        Could you just remind us of the total number of Labour councillors in the UK?

        And, while you’re at it, how many Constituency Labour Parties are there in total?


        ( I’m sure that you know the answer, or even if you don’t you can find it out with a few clicks of your mouse. Indulge us lurkers just for once and stop asking of others that which you can do yourself. Saves time in the long run. Why, we could even do without ‘HabbaBreak’!)

        • lysias

          If he spent time researching something, he would have less time to post comments. And he seems to be judged (and perhaps paid) by the number of his comments.

          • Ba'al Zevul's Spamfiltered Sock

            You wait days for a Habbabcuk and then 300 come along at once. Maybe he runs out of kittens to microwave from time to time?

          • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella!)

            I recognise that I may well have less time to research matters than you do, Lysias – eg to look up what the “Northern Echo” has to say about various matters.

            Perhaps it’s because I’m not a US citizen living in Washington? 🙂

    • Resident Dissident

      Why are 90 councillors and CLP chairs seen as having more of a mandate than MPs who were elected by a considerably larger franchise??

      • fedup

        … “larger franchise”

        Go watch the large franchised Frank setting out his stall, and sneering at those lame brains who actually dare to believe/dream in/of democracy and public service!

        Tony_ says

        “Frank Field’s utter contempt for the people who elected him”

      • bevin

        That ‘considerably larger franchise’ consisted almost entirely of people who trusted the candidates to support Labour principles and traditional policies.
        They probably thought that they were voting for socialists or at least friends of the poor. And they relied on the CLPs and local councilors to attest to their integrity.
        We know that most of these MPs were installed in their seats in order to ensure that local trade unionists, veteran activists in the party and socialists did not make it Corbyn or Skinner style to Parliament. The primary qualification of these MPs was, and remains, that they do as they are told by the Blairite apparachiki who installed them. Every one of them should account for his, or her, actions in this matter in person at public meeting called in the constituencies.

        In the old days Labour MPs made a point of reporting regularly, in person, to their constituents at properly conducted meetings open to all. Now they quote Burke from PPE textbooks and re-invent theories that show that government is too complex for ordinary voters to issue instructions to thirty something year old mates of Mandelson who wouldn’t know a time card or a three shift system in the unlikely event that they met one, or someone who did.

      • Shatnersrug

        Resident Disney

        Firstly you’re the only one that seems to be saying that 90 Councillors or whoever are more important than the electorate and secondly, if these MPs do not have the support of their party they need to trigger a by-election and stand as an independent should they win against the new party approved candidate then they can go back to voting yes to war and house flipping. However if they lose, then it’s clearly not for them. Now stop with comparing party democracy with constituency. There is currently no evidence that these safe seat MPs were voted for for their personality and not just because they are labour areas.

        In the very near future there WILL be an all new Labour Party. Which WILL democratically represent both its CLP AND the constituents at large – even the Tory voters, because, Resident Disney, that is how democracy works.

        Now there’s no need for you to be confused anymore.

      • Mulga Mumblebrain

        Because they seem not to be class traitors who refused to stand with the poor and downtrodden against Tory sadism.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella!)

    Dr Liam Fox has as much chance of becoming leader of the Conservative Party as Mr Corbyn has of leading the Labour Party to victory in the next general election.

    I wonder if, during the leadership election campaign, he will campaign on a Doctor’s mandate?

    • Alan

      He only needs to lead it until Chilcot on July 6th. After that he’s home and dry.

      Observe how Blairites always run a war, without someone taking resposibilty, a plan or a programme.

  • Tony_0pmoc

    fedup posted this earlier this afternoon, and it just says so much.

    Frank Field has acknowledged that the Game has Now Changed. It is an Incredible Thing to Say on Live TV on The BBC on The BBC News…??

    He more or less said The Bloody Electorate – Those 70,000 Scouse Peasants are Telling Us What To Do!!!!!

    Yeh We F’ckin’ Are You T0sser

    We Tell You What To Do…

    You Do It..We Elected You To Do That – O.K.

    We Pay Your Wages – O.K.,??

    “Frank Field’s utter contempt for the people who elected him”

    (thanks for publicising it Frank – great job – I think you are cleverer than you look – do you know my sister-in-law?)


    • D-Majestic

      Strangely I found F.F. on Youtube about 2 hrs. ago. Could hardly believe what I saw and heard. WTF as the saying goes. Is this really how far detached from the real world these people are?

    • Jim

      That clip hasn’t been edited at all has it Tony? For a conspiracy-minded chap like yourself you suddenly seem convinced by laughably obvious chicanery, why would that be I wonder?

      • Tony_0pmoc


        I do not do editing, and I do not do photoshop…However, I do know how to do video editing…and its a total pain in arse..It takes forever.

        My photography and what I write I largely self edit …but I like to just write it live have a quick look and press send.

        I can’t do that in the pub – it just comes out live and I can’t unsay it.

        Such is life.


    • mark cunliffe

      Absolutely mate. This is what amuses me (or at least it would if it wasn’t so damn infuriating) the hypocrisy of these MP’s; they have the nerve to call JC selfish for staying put, yet cannot see, or refuse to see, that it is their own selfish actions that are calling for him to go. Margaret Beckett summed it up in just the same kind of the-game’s-up way on Daily Politics today; asked whether the party would split should Corbyn call a leadership contest and succeed once more on a majority vote, she said how it shouldn’t come to that and he should just go. In other words, they refuse to listen to the people who elect them. They don’t want to know what we feel, and why? Because their own self interests are more important than representing our interests. They’re in the party as a career, simple as that. If Corbyn stays, their career is over. It’s a shame they don’t have the good grace that many old Labour MP’s and supporters had when they saw the times changing with the stain that was New Labour coming to power. They backed away, accepting they no longer had what it took to serve or vote for the party. These f*ckers won’t do that, despite the time changing and the tide turning back to traditional left wing Labour.

      • Alan

        “I cannot imagine why he should have renounced it, fwl.”

        Didn’t you know? Americans have to pay tax to the state they were born in, in his case New York, no matter where they live or work in the world. A very good reason for him to have given it up.

        • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella!)

          Have you never heard of double taxation agreements, Alan?

    • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella!)

      BTW, let’s hear a little more from you, shall we? You’re a sensible sort of chap and I feel your comments, even though I disagree with some of them, greatly enhance the quality of the blog.

    • YouKnowMyName

      I thought he’d renounced it, due: “a very small number of countries, notably the United States, also tax their nonresident citizens on worldwide income”

      • lysias

        Johnson’s Wikipedia entry gives the answer:

        Johnson has dual citizenship in both the United Kingdom and the United States, since he was born in New York City to English parents. In 2014 Johnson acknowledged he was disputing a demand for capital gains tax from the US tax authorities,[395][396] which ultimately he paid.[397] In February 2015 Boris Johnson announced his intention to give up US citizenship to prove his loyalty to the UK.[398][399]

        One is entitled to doubt whether the reason he gave was his real reason.

        • fwl

          On the referendum I was suspicious of an emerging EU undemocratic super state with a EU defence force undermining NATO, with EU diplomatic and security services and pseudo democracy (although we were in effect in the centre of the undemocratic decision making not the periphery). I was also concerned about the secret TTIP talks. On balance notwithstanding that post cold war and 9/11 we and the US have behaved like prodigal sons wasting our opportunities I prefer US democracy to the EUs, but I might still accept a genuine federal EU super state if I believed that it were necessary, genuinely democratic and that it could really work as such with the common interest transcending national. But we were not offered that. So what I’m saying is that when it comes to the US I would side 55/45 towards US.. But I have many reservations. Therefore, I can’t accept that a British PM could have dual nationality with the US. I don’t want a crappy TTIP in or out.

          US is top dog. Maybe if a PM had a Guernsey passport that would be acceptable. What influence could Guernsey bring, but the US!

          We called Blair Bush’s poodle, but even he didn’t have a US passport.

          Isn’t it the case that if you have an American passport you must enter the US on it. Didn’t Boris complain about that a few years ago.

          So I hope Boris has or will now renounce.

      • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella!)

        That is correct. It would, however, be helpful for the discussion if we could establish whether or not the UK has a double taxation agreement with the US.

  • John Spencer-Davis

    And here’s some more unpalatable news from Labour List for those jokers in the PLP to chew on (my italics):

    The general secretaries of 10 of Britain’s largest trade unions have signed a joint statement giving their continued support to Jeremy Corbyn as Labour leader.

    The general gist of the statement was agreed during a meeting of the general secretaries of Unite, Unison, GMB and CWU this afternoon. It is clearly intended to be viewed as a backing of Corbyn’s leadership, but after hours of wrangling over the wording, it is less effusive than some may have expected. (Attention called to this in fairness, and there are other judicious comments – please read.)

    However, the Corbyn camp will see this as a victory, and a sign that union leaders are still acutely aware of a huge pro-Corbyn feeling among their activist bases.


    From the letter:

    “While we have stated that we believe a Leadership election would be an unwelcome distraction at this time of crisis, if one nevertheless occurs through the proper procedures we would expect all parts of the Party to honour the result and pull together in the interests of the country, and working people in particular. The only party that can win for working people is a strong and united Labour Party.”


    I interpret that as meaning the unions would expect a Corbyn victory, and would then expect the MPs to start behaving like adults and not kids who won’t play because they don’t like the game any more.

    • lysias

      And here’s an example of union support for Corbyn: The Northern Echo: Anti-Corbyn ‘traitors’ not welcome at Durham Miners’ Gala:

      ANGRY union leaders have said “traitorous” Labour MPs who backed the vote of no confidence in party leader Jeremy Corbyn would not be welcome at this year’s Durham Miners’ Gala.

      Durham Miners’ Association general secretary Dave Hopper said they would be receiving letters rescinding their invitation to share the platform with Mr Corbyn and other union leaders on Saturday, July 9.

      He said this included City of Durham MP Dr Roberta Blackman-Woods, who was one of 172 MPs who backed the motion of no confidence.

      Mr Hopper said: “Anyone who supported the vote of no confidence will not be welcome at the Durham Miners’ Gala.

      “They will be receiving letters to return their invites. We don’t want people who oppose him and who are trying to get shot of him after he won such a resounding democratic victory . . . surely they don’t want to share a platform with him.

      “He is a major speaker. He is our guest and I would imagine they shouldn’t need a letter not to turn up.”

  • Tony_0pmoc

    michael norton,

    Everything is shelved for awhile. Everything has changed.


    No one knows how to react – because No one was expecting it.

    Everyone needs to think about it – rather than just emotionally react.

    I have slagged off Cameron since even before he was elected leader of The Conservative Party – I just thought hot air, windbag, wimp.

    But I think he has been brilliant since he resigned – O.K. today he slagged Corbyn Off – but he knew – that would just Make him Stronger..

    No Way He’s Going To Resign Now.

    And at The End of The Day – I Judge a Prime Minister On His Results

    Harold Wilson – Stopped Both My Older Brothers Getting Killed in Vietnam. He told The Americans That No Us British are not joining in their Bloody War – so they could lead normal lives.

    David Cameron – Got The UK out of The EU – so that my Children and Grandchildren can lead normal lives.

    I expect Jeremy Corbyn to Tell The Americans That No Us British are not joining in their Bloody Wars.


  • mike

    Eagle v Corbyn – the last stand of Blairism coming up.

    They sell us fog and deliver fudge. But not Jezza. The truth will out.

    • Shatnersrug

      Guys, we’ve had 13,000 members maybe more join in the last few days – all pledging support for Jeremy Corbyn – this movement is taking off – thank you to those that have help. And a particularly big thank you to the BBC, the Guardian and the corporate media, and Hab on here. With out your utterly ineffectual childish propaganda that you don’t know when to put down, you have opened the publics eye to what is really going on.

      We simply couldn’t do it without you you treacherous bunch xxxxx

    • DomesticExtremist

      I’m sure that’s the kind of democracy Mr Regev would like to see installed here.

    • John Goss

      What a brave woman. What a decent Israeli. Oren Hazan is a really nasty piece of work. These Zionist supporters of apartheid are the scum of the earth! I have to say it because it is true. I said it of South African politicians who supported apartheid.

  • bevin

    Chequebooks ready, everyone?

    Katherine Viner says:
    “If you value the Guardian’s coverage of Brexit, please help to fund it.”

    Over to you Jim.

      • Shatnersrug

        I nearly wee’d myself! She’s is utterly hopeless! Between her and Rubbisher the paper is dead

  • John Spencer-Davis

    Jon Craig, chief political correspondent with Sky News, tweets the following:

    “Corbyn backers tell me plotters can’t agree because can’t find candidate who opposed Iraq war. Claim they need that with Chilcot next week.”

    However he also says Angela Eagle will be challenging for leadership tomorrow. Even though more than six thousand people have bothered to sign a petition calling on her to resign her seat.

    • Ba'al Zevul's Spamfiltered Sock

      I really think Angela’s economic skills will be invaluable at this time of crisis:

      In April 2008 Eagle took part in a debate in Parliament on the UK economy in which the Liberal Democrats tabled a motion suggesting that the country was facing an “extreme bubble in the housing market” and the “risk of recession”. Eagle responded stating “Fortunately for all of us … that colourful and lurid fiction has no real bearing on the macro-economic reality.”[5]

      In 2009 Jeremy Browne, who led the debate, reflected on her comments, stating “A year ago, Angela Eagle’s comments summed up the Government’s delusional attitude. We had been warning for months that we faced a housing market collapse and a serious recession, but ministers did not want to hear it. Their failure to face up to reality left the country dangerously unprepared for the crisis that now confronts us.”[6]


  • Resident Dissident

    Why are they fake Labour MPs – they were elected. Or doesn’t that electorate count?

    • fedup

      The party only gets elected, and having witnessed first hand the selection procedures, there is no process of election for the “selected candidates” who are foisted upon the membership, resulting in the total disconnect of these traitorous pampered tossers from any of the party members.

      Lets not kid ourselves, will you stop spewing utter propaganda?

      • bevin

        I hope not. And doubt it. Elections challenging an incumbent have no purpose if the incumbent is disqualified.
        No doubt though that the nomination process was designed for the purpose of ensuring that socialist MPs would be confined into “a sealed tomb” as Blair described it.
        This is, like most of Mandelson handiwork, a crude parody of the Stalinist parody of the idiotic and undemocratic system of Democratic Centralism. It is not at all surprising to find it in the politics of Herbert Morrison’s son in law, Morrison was notorious for his inability to tolerate criticism either in the LCC or during his long-and undistinguished- years in government. It was Morrison who contrived the dreadful governance of nationalised industries because he hated the idea of anything approaching workers self management.
        It is a monument to his authoritarianism that while he was shaping British industries the Occupation Authorities in the British sector of Germany were imposing worker representatives on Boards of Directors.

        • Alan

          “This is, like most of Mandelson handiwork”

          You just said it.

          “In a rolling series of investigations, The Canary has exposed the alarming web of connections between PR agency Portland Communications, and a network of Blairites in and out of government that “choreographed” the mass resignations leading to the vote of no confidence against Corbyn on Tuesday.”

          • bevin

            These guys do nothing for nothing.
            Who is paying them?
            Apart from their bosses who will reward them and the contrsacts they will get given?
            The calculation that they made is precisely that in the quote somewhere above (We’re an Empire now…) generally attributed to Karl Rove: they made no allowance for the fact that the facts they knew they could rely on the MSM not reporting or, if it was reported, dissing it as a “conspiracy theory” , those facts could be spread rapidly and efficiently through the internet.
            Like here. Thanks for the link Alan. I hope Canary stop obsessing about Brexit and recognise that they were wrong not to understand what is at stake and why the EU must be dismantled.

  • Hieroglyph

    Thus far, this has all the hallmarks of Operation Gladio. Due to the interlinked nature of the US\UK spooks, and historical ties, the UK probably escapes the worst depredations of Gladio style coups (assassinations, car bombs etc), but the media manipulation, and infiltration of opposition, well they remain universal.

    Apparently Angela Eagle is the Little Drummer being put up by Nu Lab. I’m glad if this is the case. She’ll lose, to an even bigger margin, and her career will be over. But at least it means they are trying democratic means; nothing wrong with standing for leadership, it’s much better than joining cabinet for the sole reason of resigning to embarrass the boss.

    So, what happens after she loses, which she will? I’ve no idea. Also, I think the Blairite traitors have no idea. They don’t seem to really have much of a plan, not so far. I assume once all the democratic avenues are explored, the gloves come off, but what form this will take. A court challenge? Sue for defamation? Maybe the PLP will go on strike, and leave the chamber (that’s the kind if thing Nazi’s like to do, of course)? This is all very well, but there’s an election in the offing, and those people who have worked so hard to screw Jezza over, they have their pesky electorates to face. Unemployment beckons, and they have no skills to sell on the open market. They might want to think this all through, before quoting Game of Thrones, and telling Jeremy that Winter is Coming. Maybe seeing unemployment at first hand might learn them some empathy, in which case, they can then come back to the fold, under Jezza’s dominant and inspiring Labour Government. A heart warming tale, after all.

    • Macky

      This from Michael Foot is perfectly apt not just for Bojo but also for the Blairites plotters when their Coup flops as it will ! 😀

      Also this little gem from the Galloway radio show;

      “Plotters say Corbyn lacks charisma. Yet Eagle is dull as dishwater with no dazzling presence nor the remotest grasp of rhetoric”

      • bevin

        But would they have chosen Foot to lead the Party if Angela Eagle had been available? Or Liz Kendall of Foot’s fan, the defeated candidate in Beaconsfield, Tony (Dear Comrade) Blair?

        • Macky

          ““The incumbent does not require to be nominated in order to appear on the ballot paper.” meaning they can’t stop Jeremy standing for re-election.”

          Hence the desperate attempts to humiliate him enough to resign; so surreal that Labour MPs are being supported by a Tory leader in attacking a Labour leader ! That’s such a damning indictment right there, and tells you all you need to know !

          The only people being humiliated are the Plotters themselves, both by their actions, and by the final result, because Corbyn will emerge from this even stronger than before, and they will be just bad history.

    • Mulga Mumblebrain

      This is why I gravely fear for Corbyn. ‘No man, no problem’ as that Soviet Blairite Comrade Djugashvilli observed. If not Corbyn, then perhaps another Jo Cox, this time topped by some slavering Corbynite. The forces of Evil are not going to allow an real alternative in any Imperial centre like the UK. Not ever.

  • Tony_0pmoc

    I don’t know how to explain this but for the first time since around the year 2000 – 2004, I actually feel optimistic for the future of the human race.

    My darkest moment was when I read – its got to be 15-20 years ago…I’ve been retired for 11 years..and I was depresed for 4 days at work..I thought well – its all completely logically true – and I believed it for 4 days about 20 years ago…

    It took me 4 or 5 days to do the research – and I am better qualified on this than my hero Dmitry Olov…

    cos I know that oil is formed Deep within The Earth and it is Not a Fossil Fuel

    You fkin Russians aren’t in the same league as us British..but you do sometimes write better than us…

    I mean this is awesome..

    “Firing the Elites”

    Thank You,


    • Mark Golding

      Alistair Campbell is likely talking to his mate John Scarlett in an attempt to ruin Jeremy Corbyn by implicating him in a cabal that seeks to undermine national security and the ‘special relationship’ – Just keep violence off the stage chaps and shelve any thoughts of a 7/7 style ISIS attack chaps purrleeeze!

  • John Spencer-Davis

    I have a mental image of a pack of mangy wolves, prowling around one in the middle with the largest mane, snarling and growling and egging each other on, but none quite screwing up courage enough to dart forward and start the attack.

    I guess Eagle has been bitten on the hocks by her loathsome companions and pushed forward.

  • RobG

    “Since the end of World War II, there have been 248 armed conflicts in 153 locations around the world. The United States launched 201 overseas military operations between the end of World War II and 2001, and since then, others, including Afghanistan and Iraq. During the 20th century, 190 million deaths could be directly and indirectly related to war — more than in the previous 4 centuries.”

    I would add the development of nuclear weapons to this (the MAD brigade tell us that nukes have prevented war). Since the Trinity test in July 1945 (the first explosion of an atomic bomb) radioactive fallout has killed at least 60 million people.

    But don’t worry, that cancer you’re going to get is because life’s great, innit.

    What’s this got to do with the turmoil in British politics at the moment,,?



  • Tony_0pmoc

    The British asked For The American Response and Got This…

    “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

    We thought oh FFS The Yanks Have Gone Mad – WTF do we Do?


  • charles drake

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    never to appear and yet someone allows habababaluk 50 troll messages per meme theme.
    who runs this show g4s?

    • nevermind

      Charles, patience, some outside maipulators do not like what is going opn here, so they DDo’sed the site, I’m sure your valuable contribution will eventually appear.

      you could also try and write it again, if it was lost. The mods must be rather busy.

  • Herbie

    It’s the Labour Movement, innit. That Blair hijacked.

    The CLPs

    The Unions

    And the MPs in Parliament and councillors around the country.

    Corbyn has two thirds of these and is the leader of the Labour movement institutionally and in the country.

    Blair once said that MPs owed their seats to the broader Labour party and parachuted most of these careerists in, many with no previous connection to the Labour party or Movement.

    Now his MPs are saying that they ARE the Party.

    There’s your disconnect.

    The Elitism is clear.

    Run the whole country through the Westminster media bubble.

    Like the EU.

    On the plus side, there’ll be plenty of dosh coming their way should they pull this coup off.

    • Herbie

      How many of these Blairite MPs can actually stand in front of real people in their constituency and explain why they’re doing what they’re doing.

      They can’t.

      They have nothing but the fact that an elitist media fawn upon them. That’s their only platform. Their only power.

      Their coup, assisted by media. Directed by media. Without that they’d be nothing.

      They have no support in the country.

      They’re like these weird virtual abstract creatures, with no connection at all to the real lives of people on the ground.

      Not even in their own Labour party.

      No more than a media confection.

      Virtual reality.

      • Mulga Mumblebrain

        Herbie, you may have noticed that, from Benn down even deeper, these are well-trained and ferocious Israel Firsters. You know, the sort who would still fawn over Philip Green. And the Israel First Lobby hate Corbyn with Talmudic fury.

  • James

    I don’t agree with the Brexit referendum….
    ….but it is funny to watch Dave’s version of the Falklands Conflict, back-firing on him.

    I do wonder “has it” though.
    The UK’s last PM who was “in” with the European Commission.
    So he has the “inside track” on both “UK” politics and “EU” politics. He will be doing well very soon.
    No wonder he resigned so quickly.

    And “Jezza”. I do feel for him.
    The “self righteous” of his party are clearly looking to “move ahead” for themselves.
    What a great excuse. Feed him to “Brexit”. You didn’t campaign hard enough…. you tart ! They shout.

    Hoodwinked, whatever the outcome, is the best way to view this.

    Nice to see though, the European Commission “having a heart”. And it’s probably the “New Right” UK government does want to explain to it’s “electorate”. The “Free Movement of People” is “Non Negotiable” if the UK want to seek a Trade Deal with Europe.

    I’m sure the European Commission can work then workout a “cost for access” for their customers….
    ….and the “New Right” can explain that to. In sound-bytes, with flashing lights…and a few jokes.
    Oh how the 1930’s loved their big rallies

  • James

    “European Union leaders have warned that the UK must honour the principle of free movement of people if it wants to retain access to the single market after it leaves the bloc”

    Smiley Face and all that !

  • RobG

    I know I’m banging my head against a brick wall, but one has to try.

    The Chilcot Inquiry (about the Iraq war) is, apparently, due to deliver its verdict in the coming weeks. The Chilcot Inquiry was started in 2009 (think about that, about why its taken so many years). Likewise the inquiry into the Westminster pedophile scandal has also been kicked into the long grass.

    We need to take back our country, and arrest all these vermin, and that includes most of the mainstream media.

  • Tony_0pmoc

    Whilst getting the Panasonic Bread Maker out in The Kitchen and All The Ingredients – I thought well that is another thing I can compliment David Cameron on – and I don’t think he was doing an ad for Panasonic…its just Samcam makes really good cakes – sorry fresh bread..

    Well my white is Awesome – it goes down a storm with me and the kids…but my wife won’t eat white -well she nicks a bit

    So I’m doing brown wholemeal tonight – it might be better than my last attempt…

    I have also worked the pig thing out..he says there is no way I am doing that – unlike the rest..

    Cameron is growing in my estimation now that he has resigned…I would have gone for the dead pig’s mouth too…given the choice

    I remember when I was 8 years old in Oldham Royal Infirmary..having my appendix out – and the pretty lovely nurses just said to me – you are constipated and we really need to stick a bar of soap of your arse…

    I was only 8 – it put me off the entire idea for life.


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