The Killings of Tony Blair 1732


Tonight I am appearing at a panel discussion following the screening of the long-awaited film by George Galloway, The Killings of Tony Blair. I shall have the dubious pleasure of debating with John McTernan, who has never lacked brass neck but does deserve some credit for appearing to represent the forces of darkness before what I imagine will be a very hostile audience. The other panel members are Michael Mansfield and Lauren Booth.

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The film has been predictably lambasted by the mainstream media. But it does include some very essential first hand evidence – myself apart, two other British Ambassadors tell what they themselves witnessed, as do Cabinet members. Noam Chomsky adds some important perceptions. This cannot just be dismissed by cries of “Oh look! George Galloway’s in a hat!! Remember when he was on Big Brother!!” The mainstream media’s response to this film has been unanimously puerile.

The Blair-loving Guardian gave the film two stars and called it “sanctimonious”. If one cannot express moral condemnation of a man who forced through an aggressive war, directly killing hundreds of thousands and destabilising both the Middle East and communities in Europe, and who then went on to make multiple millions of pounds promoting vicious dictatorships, then are we to suspend the very idea of ethics itself?

The Guardian subscribes to the world view propounded weekly by Nick Cohen, that to appear on an Iranian government TV channel is a far greater sin than to promote a war which killed and maimed countless thousands of small children. None of the many contributors appeared in the film under a mistaken belief that George Galloway is perfect. That George (whom I first met in Dundee in 1977) is not perfect in no way detracts from the evidence stated against Tony Blair. On Iraq, George was both right and brave. I would add that I did not for one moment consider refusing to take part on the grounds that George is a unionist.

Getting cinema screenings for an independent documentary film is extremely difficult. This is what is available so far.

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I assume there are plans to make it available on wider platforms later.

The Killing$ Of Tony Blair – Official Trailer from The Killing of Tony Blair – Film on Vimeo.

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  • Anon1

    Ouch.

    Beaver (Ashford) result:
    UKIP: 42.1% (+11.6)
    LAB: 27.4% (-3.3)
    CON: 27.1% (+0.2)
    GRN: 3.5% (-3.8)

    Labour —-> UKIP

    • Paul Barbara

      ‘…The security consultant and former Special Constable for the police said he will be focusing on law and order.
      The contest was triggered after previous ward councillor Jill Britcher stood down due to health reasons and moving to Thanet.
      She also resigned from the Labour Party, citing her disappointment at the ‘abysmal’ leadership of Jeremy Corbyn…’

      Hardly a stunning defeat: Only 887 people voted, of which UKIP got 373, and Labour 240.
      Ashford Council is solidly Conservative, with current Councillors Cons(ConMerchants?) 35, Ashford Independent 3, Labour 2 and Lib/Dems 1 (source http://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/ukip-steal-labour-seat-in-100226/ )
      Good riddance to Jill Britcher, for her ‘abysmal’ treachery. May she wither in her new home, where ‘rumour’ has it she has set up a shrine to Tony Bliar.

      • nevermind

        Thanks for that Pay Barbara, what a dismal turnout indeed, an indication of the post Brexit malaise we are finding ourself in.
        Obviously people do not feel that they are in an Independent UK now, that leave did not mean leave, why else would they vote for UKIP which has very little other long term goals.

        Nor does it any indication as to the facts having sunken in that the UK is being in the thrall of and run by an establishment paedophile network, there is no other conclusion to be had from yet another resignation, putting Amber Rudd fully in charge of confusing us some more, and, for much much longer.

  • Habbabkuk

    Craig’s post has now attracted around 1350 “thoughts”, most of which come from half a dozen or so “thinkers” and most of which have little to do with the subject of Craig’s post.

    Might I be allowed to address a couple of simple and direct questions to the handful of people (Alan, Republicofscotland, Bevin, Michael Norton, RobG….) in question, given that they appear to share essentially the same preoccupations and outlooks?

    They are:

    What are your reasons for spending so much time and effort posting on this blog? What are you hoping to achieve?

    Thank you.

      • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella)

        Not really, Bright Eyes.

        Craig has told us why he runs this blog and I have, on several occasions, set out why I am on here.

        Therefore my two questions do not seem unfair.

        Please note, however, that you are not in the category of people I referred to and so I’m not expecting replies from you. Nor, of course, do I expect you to answer on their behalf.

        • Republicofscotland

          “Craig has told us why he runs this blog and I have, on several occasions, set out why I am on here.”

          _________

          Habb.

          Oh do please refresh our memories as to why you loiter, I mean inhabit this blog.

          As if we don’t already know. ?

    • RobG

      We’re crying out for our extremely sane and honest governments, along with those nice people in the security services, to protect us from the twerrorists.

      Please, please save us from the twerrorists!

      ____________________________

      A famous quote attributed to Mussolini: “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power”.

      And that’s exactly where we are now, accompanied by breathtakingly clumsy ruse de guerre to keep the plebs compliant and quaking in their boots.

      It’s the oldest trick in the book.

      [blah blah blah]

      • Resident Dissident

        “A famous quote attributed to Mussolini: “Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power”.”

        Funny how you and especially Bevin never consider that there is something of a merger of state and corporate power in Russia under Putin.

        • lysias

          There is also a merger of corporate and state power in the neoliberal Western so-called “democracies”. Only there it’s the corporations and the plutocrats who have the ultimate power, and the politicians are their stooges.

        • bevin

          “Funny how you and especially Bevin never consider that there is something of a merger of state and corporate power in Russia under Putin…”
          Do you consider yourself acquainted with my analysis of the matter on the basis of your having read, perhaps even begun to understand, a few short comments on Craig’s posts?
          What is funny is how foolish you are in the belief that by recycling the opinions of the Daily Mail of the Israeli Foreign Office you are convincing anyone that you think critically and that you do so on the basis of reading or experience which you contrive to disguise.
          You are a fascist- do you feel that Putin is one too? He may be and that is one of the features of fascism to which Mussolini had referred too: it is very possible for fascist nationalists to compete against each other. For example both Poland and Austria had fascist governments before they were overthrown by the German fascist, NAZIs.

          • Resident Dissident

            I worked in Russia for five years and have visited regularly since. Perhaps you should try a little analysis of Gazprom/oil sector for starters, or the Russian media, or just look at the oligarchs who are close to Putin, or just look at the positions by his former St Petersburg circle? You offer nothing but abuse, lies and praise of the KGB – why is this?

          • Resident Dissident

            “do you feel that Putin is one too? ”

            No I don’t – just that he is merging state and corporate power in Russia – although I believe his motivation is criminal and personal greed supported by that of his KGB cohort who have similar motivations

            Similarly, I don’t believe that the misguided support of certain Ukrainian nationalists for those who collaborated with the Nazis amounts to fascism but is just nationalists wishing to assert themselves against Putinism.

            Putin’s invasion of the Crimea and eastern Ukraine in breach of all international laws, and to support the incredibly corrupt branch of his local mob, does of course bear yet more similarities to fascist behaviour – but again I don’t think it was driven by Putin’s ideology being that of fascism. Perhaps you need to understand to paraphrase Tolstoy that unhappy families are all unhappy in their different ways, rather than sticking to your simplistic binary explanation of the world.

          • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella)

            Bevin

            “What is funny is how foolish you are in the belief that by recycling the opinions of the Daily Mail of the Israeli Foreign Office…”
            _________________

            The “Daily Mail of the Israeli Foreign Office” is a curious thing to say.

            If not just a facile soundbite, would you care to elaborate a little?

          • Resident Dissident

            Mods are people allowed to call others fascists and expect no insult in return?

    • RobG

      Oh, and by the way, since you seem to read these blog comments intensely, you should have noticed that I haven’t posted anything here between last Saturday and last Thursday, and I’m seldom, if ever, active on long comment threads.

      Sometimes, though, one has to rise to the occasion.

    • Alan

      What are your reasons for spending so much time and effort posting on this blog? What are you hoping to achieve?

      Oh don’t worry your little head, I had several web-sites of my own. You can never actually change anybody’s mind, because people always believe what they want to believe, but hey, it is a way of passing the time, whilst awaiting the entrance of the man with the scythe.

      I also bet you never expected that answer.

      • Alan

        I’ll elaborate a little further for you Habbakook. I’m not going to ever change your mind because you are locked into a particular perception shell, and will remain in that perception shell until the day you wake up and change your mind, should that ever occur. The Blairites are equally trapped in their perception shells, and of course this is also reinforced by their belief that Blair was right.

        And you are now probably going to tell me I am talking tosh, but…

        You see, the only way to not get fooled is to not believe anything until you have scientifically proved it to be true.

        • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella)

          No, I won’t accuse you of talking tosh; thank you for being the first to reply.

          Can I interpret your second answer as meaning that you post on here in order to change people’s mind about various things?

          (your first answer – you post in order to pass the time – is clear)

          • Alan

            No! I don’t think you can change people’s minds. It takes some great change in their life to make them change their perception shell. For example your perception shell is obviously “Land of hope and Glory” while the bloke living in the cardboard box under a bridge thinks “Land of exploitation”.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Capitalist_System#/media/File:Pyramid_of_Capitalist_System.jpg

            Of course, if fate were to intervene and you changed places…

          • Republicofscotland

            “No, I won’t accuse you of talking tosh;”

            _________

            Habb.

            Oh that will be a first, have you turned a new leaf ? Or have tactics at wherever you’re stationed changed?

            I’m afraid if it’s the latter you’re already too late. ?

          • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella)

            Alan

            Thank you for your clarification.

            But it leaves unanswered the two questions I asked:

            “What are your reasons for spending so much time and effort posting on this blog? What are you hoping to achieve?”

            Would you like to answer them?

          • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella)

            RoS

            Good to see you’re around.

            Would you like to have a crack at answering my two questions? They were:

            “What are your reasons for spending so much time and effort posting on this blog? What are you hoping to achieve? “

          • Republicofscotland

            Good Morning to you Habb.

            Re your question, I doubt anyone will answer your questions , though I must give you credit, for the softly softly approach.

            However if you wish to answer your owns posers by all means go ahead, please don’t reply with the old line I want to be a moderator to better this blog routine, I’m afraid it won’t wash. ?

          • michael norton

            Habbabkuk
            I have been thinking through the al-Hilli – Sylvain Mollier Massacre and contributing for a couple of years, it would seem that the Annecy Prosecutor ( in charge of The “Investigation” of the Massacre of Chevaline)
            is being redeployed.
            “Eric Maillaud, new prosecutor in Clermont-Ferrand.”
            Recently the Annecy prosecutor has made no public statements,
            we have been waiting for a possibly connected case, to come into court.
            A little over a year after the Massacre of Chevaline, an E-FIT-SKETCH was released of a motorcyclist,
            this, it was thought would either be the shootist or his accomplice.
            A week later, armed persons shot dead a woman in her home, in the night, in the near-by settlement of Lathuile,
            this is where William Brett Martin was residing in his holiday chalet, it has been claimed he was
            the “first on the scene-post killing”, it is also the settlement where two other potential actors have homes.
            One, eX-policeman Eric Devouassoux was arrested and released.
            A few months later, five persons ( perhaps of the Gypsie persuassion) were arrested.
            Now more than two years has gone by since these five persons have been incarcerated, yet no known public court appearance has happened. Only a few possible reasons for this lack of a court case.
            One would be collusion/cover-up by the French State.
            One would be multiple other serious crimes, other actors to be included.
            It can’t just be incompetence?
            So, either until these five killers come into public court of a newly appointed Annecy prosecutor has a revelation,
            such as there were several motorcycles/motorcyclist at the scene of the Chevaline Massacre and not just one,
            or tells us that Sylvain Mollier was not just a passing cyclist and was in all probability the main target,

            I have to find some other stuff on which to use my spare brain time.
            Yet this settement has a population of less than one thousand souls and nobody knows nothing.

      • Resident Dissident

        In order to scientifically prove or disprove anything you have to a have a thesis first – it is quite clear what your general thesis is, but somehow I doubt that you will ever consider the evidence against it.

    • bevin

      “Might I be allowed to address a couple of simple and direct questions to the handful of people (Alan, Republicofscotland, Bevin, Michael Norton, RobG….) in question, given that they appear to share essentially the same preoccupations and outlooks?””

      It is quite clear from reading any of these commenters’ posts that there are enormous differences between them. Except on a very few questions, such as the injustice of the imperialist colonisation of Palestine, the mendacity of those promoting US Foreign Policy and the unsustainability of a system which impoverishes the many to enrich a tiny scum on the top of society- all opinions which 90% of humanity share- there is a liveluy and wide ranging debate on all manner of topics.
      That there are trolls infesting the blog and doing their level best to derail discussions and sneer at the very notion that ordinary mortals may entertain opinions of their own, is probably another thing that your ’eminences;’ agree upon.

      • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella)

        Thank you for that, Bevin.

        I must say that your two rubrics ” the mendacity of those promoting US Foreign Policy and the unsustainability of a system which impoverishes the many to enrich a tiny scum on the top of society” are very broad and can encompass a large number of topics on which there is an identity of view (and therefore no “lively debate” here (by the Eminences, I mean.

        But anyway – you seem to have avoided answering my questions, which were:

        “What are your reasons for spending so much time and effort posting on this blog? What are you hoping to achieve?”.

        Or is it that your reasons are indignation at the “mendacity” and “unsustainability” you mention (and a desire to furnish a large number of examples) and that your objective is to bring the uncommitted reader over to those general viewpoints?

        Please correct me if the above is incorrect.

        Thank you.

      • nevermind

        Eminences Bevin? taking on Habby’s colloquialism, has it really come that far?…;)

        I have been in a quandary the last few days regards a philosophical/evolutionary question. It regards the nature of socialism, some might say any ‘ism.

        If socialism is really social, should it be applicable to our non voting children as much as their children? From this one conclusion sticks out, that socialism that is not sustainable, that does not apply or provide (via long term policies) to/for the basic needs of our offspring, can’t be social or socialist, it merely provides policies and solutions for the here and now. So are ism’s that do not speak of or include our children in their policy spectrum highly inappropriate?
        Finally, can one regard a politician as someone who always has the best for his voters in mind, a representative of her/his constituency representing all voters, if they actively conspire to deny voters a modern fair and proportional vote?

        • fred

          “Finally, can one regard a politician as someone who always has the best for his voters in mind, a representative of her/his constituency representing all voters, if they actively conspire to deny voters a modern fair and proportional vote?”

          Depends where you live. If you have a SNP MP they always vote how they are told to vote, the SNP leadership effectively have a block vote.

          And of course they only represent fellow Nationalists.

          http://stv.tv/news/politics/1362538-snp-msp-boycotts-travel-agent-that-backed-no-vote-in-2014/

          • Ba'al Zevul

            Noting only that the Westminster Tories and Labour are just stuffed with maverick MP’s who meticulously consult their support base before voting on anything. Who will not compromise their principles, and state them. Because if they didn’t their fellow-MP’s would do everything possible to evict them from postions of influence, as the Blair Right Tendency is doing with…er…(just a minute).

            I’ll have to exclude the Libs, who are by and large can afford to be good constituency MP’s, because their party has no identifiable principles, and who are usually in too small a minority to make any significant difference. But I feel your pain, Fred. Daily.

          • fred

            Yes, both Conservative and Labour have back benchers, in the case of Labour many of the back benchers are now on the front benches. That is what makes for a good healthy democracy not an elected dictatorship.

          • Ba'al Zevul

            You mean like silencing constituency Labour branches, Fred? Or like this ?

            http://www.thecanary.co/2016/08/05/blairites-ban-name-accidentally-banish-blair-process/

            Anyway, the Scottish parliament was elected democratically. No-one would seriously contend that it’s obliged to give anyone else a leg-up. ‘Elected dictatorship’ is a very emotive phrase, but if you intend that to describe a government doing what it was elected to do, it’s meaningless.

            And at risk of repeating myself – not something which seems to bother you – if you don’t like it come back to this earthly Eden and enjoy the individualism of its unwhipped MP’s, its total transparency, its freedom from corruption, and its slightly-better-maintained trunk routes. Don’t get lost on Norfolk’s C-roads, though…

          • Republicofscotland

            “And of course they only represent fellow Nationalists.”

            ________

            The above statement would be amusing if wasn’t so pathetic, recently we had a Tory squabble over Europe which resulted in Britain leaving the EU, the prominent protagonist’s then proceeded to resign, leaving the Britain in a state of insecurity for years to come.

            The reality is the Tories, are only concerned about their own interests.

            I recall during the 2014 indyref, Westminster seeking absolute clarity as to the economic and fiscal stance a independent Scotland would be in, if, independence was achieved. The SNP that is under question produced a detailed white paper on the matter.

            Fast forward to the Brexit vote, which in reality was a Tory spat that we’ll now pay for, and not one, not one idiot in government, had anything resembling a contingency plan if a leave vote prevailed. Now we’ll have years and years of uncertainty as Westminster barters a hard exit from Europe. Don’t think for a second the EU will give Westminster all it wants, it won’t.

            The SNP government aren’t perfect, not by a long shot and I disagree with much of what they say from time to time, but at least they had a plan, after independence, more than can be said of the incompetent buffoons at Westminster.

          • fred

            Well now isn’t that just a typical Nationalist response, just like the EDL telling ethnic minorities who want a say in how their country is run to get back to where they came from.

            I was just asking for a more democratic government more representative of the people there’s no need to get nasty.

          • fred

            “I recall during the 2014 indyref, Westminster seeking absolute clarity as to the economic and fiscal stance a independent Scotland would be in, if, independence was achieved. The SNP that is under question produced a detailed white paper on the matter.”

            That statement wouldn’t even be funny if it wasn’t pathetic.

            Angus Robertson has now all but admitted the White Paper was a pack of lies.

            http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-didn-t-set-out-risks-of-independence-says-robertson-1-4195572

          • Republicofscotland

            Fred.

            Please copy and paste from your link, the paragraph or sentence where Angus Robertsons says or agrees, that the white papers was all but a pack of lies.

            Thank you in advance.

          • Ba'al Zevul

            I was just asking for a more democratic government more representative of the people there’s no need to get nasty.

            What was nasty about my reply? You weren’t asking for anything, Fred. You were as usual having a little dig at the SNP for being no more principled or democratic than any other party in the UK. Think the Tories – to continue with the EDS theme – prioritise marginal crofters’ needs over the conditions set by their very wealthy backers? Think Labour would have imploded in Scotland if it hadn’t been obvious to most that Labour were nothing to do with Socialism any more, and everything to do with Reaganomics? Think your LibDems would have been wiped out if they hadn’t spent the previous term in cahoots with the Tories, in the naive belief their voters wouldn’t see that as holding onto what what fragmentary power the Tories graciously granted them?

            Open your eyes, man.

            The problem isn’t the SNP. They’re a bit livelier than most, and with the media against them, have to work harder, but they are as much a product of what’s wrong with politics as any other UK party. The problem is the politics. Your complaint is even more applicable to the current Tory government in Westminster, with the added twist that it has proportionally far less electoral support than the SNP, and hence is demonstrabl;y less representative of the democratic will.

    • Alan

      May’s nukes are actually America’s nukes, and hence a complete waste of money.

      Furthermore America has more nukes than anybody, but that didn’t stop some blokes with boxcutters knocking down their buildings and bringing the whole country to a stop for several days. Their nuked did nothing to protect them.

      • Ben Monad

        Shorter Alan; “Neener, neender” or how about; “My daddy can beat up your daddy”?

        Sounds Trumpish.

        • Alan

          Ben, I am just saying nukes are a waste of time and money. Is that short enough for you?

    • RobG

      More on nukes from Habba’s favourite professor…

      http://www.globalresearch.ca/europe-s-five-undeclared-nuclear-weapons-states/17550

      I think it would be more than 100,000 dead, more like 100s of millions, or possibly even billions.

      Putin said recently that war between the industrialised nations is now unthinkable. What Putin was getting at, but didn’t explain properly, is that as well as more than 400 nuclear power stations operating on this planet, there’s also a plethora of spent fuel pools, nuclear waste sites, etc, etc. Even a conventional war would blow up all these nuclear sites = end of all life on planet Earth.

      Despite this, the psychos in Washington and their vassal states (including the UK) continue to bait Russia and China, pushing them to the brink of war.

      • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella)

        “Putin said recently that war between the industrialised nations is now unthinkable.”
        _____________________

        If what President Putin said is correct, then the alleged “baiting of Russia and China” is not going to work, is it.

        In which case you can calm down, can’t you.

        • Republicofscotland

          “If what President Putin said is correct, then the alleged “baiting of Russia and China” is not going to work, is it.”

          “In which case you can calm down, can’t you.”

          _____________

          Habb.

          Well there are always the possibility of skirmishes, around the South China seas between, the likely belligerents.

          Afterall the South China seas are extremely important trade routes, that see billions of dollars worth of goods, pass through them regularly.

          One could say that sabre rattling and posturing, can only deter to a certain degree, and for so long. However small scale skirmishes, possibly naval in nature, can push home an advantage, and keep the trade routes open and neutral.

          I’m no fan of the great satan, the US government, and I’m confident that American’s intervention in the region is more than just trade routes or disputed islands. However if trade routes were forced to change, due to China’s claims to seas in the area, it wouldn’t be a stretch of the imagination to say consumer prices could rise to compensate if a longer route was needed.

    • nevermind

      We can expect much from Mrs. Mays ‘yes’ to pushing the button. It will mean that the UK, with this explicit announcement, be guaranteed to be in the first strike list.

      It has told any other nuclear power that we do not really mean to progressively nuclear disarm ourself, but that we are still flouncing this MAD policy from the cold war, indeed it is proof that we never left the cold war at all.

      It also concurs that we have been fully aware of what’s happened in the Ukraine siince the 1990’s, the destabilisation of it. Before the re-annexation of the Crimea,which was always Russian before krutschew gave it to the UKraine, without it being ever ratified.

      That instant yes to the question of whether she would be prepared also makes one wonder how little it would take to persuade her to push it, sadly it has again defined us a a prime target.
      For that we all should be thankful to Mrs. May, lumbering away in some bunker with like minded ilk, because you do not want to live afterwards, she would be merely helping to eradicate a cancerous self destructive species.
      make sure to take some children down the bunker Mrs. May, because your establishment paedo network in power wants to be kept happy down there.

  • Dave

    May said she would and Corbyn said he wouldn’t, but its academic really, because neither have their figure on the button, because Trident isn’t an independent UK weapon, its an USA weapon with a Union Flag on top for show. We are helping pay for the USA nuclear arsenal to maintain the “special relationship”, whereas a truly independent weapon would cost far more and still be obsolete!

    Following our humiliation at Suez at the hands of the USA the “special relationship” was the way to spin, in the public interest, our new diminished status, but for Blair it was the special way to make himself rich.

    • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella)

      “May said she would and Corbyn said he wouldn’t, but its academic really, because neither have their figure on the button, because Trident isn’t an independent UK weapon, its an USA weapon with a Union Flag on top for show.”
      ______________________

      If that is the case – and it may well be – why do so many people on here spend so much time discussing whether or not a British politician will” press the button”, where the nuclear submarines should be based, etc, etc, etc?

  • Paul Barbara

    @ nevermind August 6, 2016 at 14:38
    ‘….Nor does it any indication as to the facts having sunken in that the UK is being in the thrall of and run by an establishment paedophile network, there is no other conclusion to be had from yet another resignation, putting Amber Rudd fully in charge of confusing us some more, and, for much much longer.’
    If you are not already aware of the case, check out Cathy O’Brien’s books; here is a horrendous video, BIG TIME:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5DGVTLsvvU

    • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella)

      Mr Barbara

      Apologies for omitting your name from my post at 17h54 yesterday.

      Allow me to do so now and ask you if you would care to join those of whom I asked the following two questions:

      “What are your reasons for spending so much time and effort posting on this blog? What are you hoping to achieve?”

      I look forward to your response.

      • George

        Hi Hab,

        I can’t answer your questions since I am not one of the regulars but may I suggest that, since no-one is responding, you could fill out your time by answering the questions yourself? i.e. What are YOUR reasons for spending so much time and effort posting on this blog? What are YOU hoping to achieve?

        • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella)

          I have given my reasons on several occasions, George. The people I addressed will no doubt remember them.

          But thank you for taking the trouble to respond.

        • WeeTam.

          Morning George ?

          This guy/gal ‘Habbabkuk (etc)’ obviously works for an intelligence organisation of some description, judging by the highly inflammatory and often leading nature of the majority of his/her posts on here. The aim being, of course, is to disrupt and hijack Craig’s rather splendid and informative blog…(A tad too informative for those that hold the real power in this country I’d guess)

          I would suggest all the regulars who cross swords with him/her every single day would be better advised to ignore him/her completely. Replying to his/her nonsense is only encouraging him/her further.

          That’s usually the best strategy for dealing with pain in the arse bampots.

          • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella)

            Yes, others have suggested that from time to time.

            The problem there is that the impartial reader might draw the conclusion that they have been floored by my observations and have no answer (at least no answer they dare to communicate) to my points.

            Which, I suspect, is usually the case.

          • George

            Thanks Wee Tam. I suspected as much. Your smiley faces are much cooler than Hab’s anyway.

            Are you by any chance an Incredible String Band fan? Just going by your name.

    • nevermind

      Just got ot the point where cathy says ‘ but, their power is eroding’, a very positive message.
      The new world order and Government will have a fight on their hands to control all of our minds, its impossible and not working.

      HURRAY, Sikunder Burnes is visible over the Horizon, after a voyage of discovery, loss of cache and much more, his battered flag is visible.

  • Dave

    There is the issue of vested interested, jobs, that explains some support for Trident, a national public project, but without “and its needed to defend the realm”, there must be better schemes to promote, even within the defence industry.

    This defence of Trident also explains the old dictum that “Army’s fight the last war”, because all the economic interest is in keeping obsolete weapons and hence obsolete tactics.

    The problem is, due to the voting system and the perceived influence of the Sun, there is a fearful political consensus that unless they support Trident they will appear weak and lose elections. I.e. supporting an obsolete weapon is due to self-serving cowardice.

    As part of the independent fiction there is a debate about “would you push the button” and Corbyn is lambasted for saying he wouldn’t. But how do you know he wouldn’t and how do you know May would. The fact is if you have them they can be used even if someone else’s figure is used to push the button.

    I did once ask Bruce Kent CND if the UK weapon was independent. He refused to answer because he said he was against all nuclear weapons. Perhaps if opponents, like the former Enoch Powell, focused on the practical disadvantages, rather than just moral outrage, more progress would be made towards unilateral and multi-lateral disarmament and deliver the conventional forces and diplomacy that’s really needed to defend Britain.

    • Komodo

      I don’t think we’re going to lose Trident unless France goes non-nuke. Despite the fact that our forces are overstretched and underfunded, with morale poor and getting worse. There are some very weird priorities being operated here. Again, while we have to have nuclear-armed boats at sea at all times, we scrapped the Nimrod upgrade – at colossal cost – so that we are now dependent on the Dutch for maritime surveillance capable of detecting Russian boats. The Russians suffer from no such disadvantage.

      We can’t afford this toy. Hold my hand, Teresa, and let’s go to the poundstore and get a waterpistol…

      • michael norton

        Let us glance at France, our near neighbour, in more than one way.
        Similar sized population, similar sized G.D.P.
        both positioned on the edge of Europe/Atlantic, both have had massive overseas empires, both still at the top table with nuclear tipped missiles and both having nuclear power stations and a nuclear scientific/industrial base.
        Arguably, the U.K. was the first to go for nuclear power but he U.k. was massively over-taken by France.
        It is said France currently has 58 working nuclear electricity producing reactors.
        One of the reasons given for this ludicrous over-reliance by France on nuclear generated electricity, is their lack of coal.
        The U.K. always has been awash with coal and since the last war it has been awash with gas and oil.
        Why would the U.K. allow our strategic advantage of being powered by coal to slip away?
        It’s dirty, it’s old fashioned but the real reason was because of the massive working class involvement in coal.
        Close on to three million people working in coal related industries at the time of the Great War.
        These people wield some considerable power – not liked by the Elite, hence Lady Thatcher eager to grasp the two fingers held up to her by Arthur S. What a gift to the Elite.

        But France, has gone virtually all-out for nuclear.
        This maintains its electricity base load but it more importantly maintains the grip by the Elite over the state/the populace.

        Only a unified state could maintain this NUCLEAR electricity/war machine,
        only the state can secure the massive education/propaganda programmes to keep it going.
        If the populace decide enough is enough, they want the war machine, the nuclear powers stations,
        the nuclear education/propagander wound down – they will be in for an almighty shock.
        It cannot be wound down, they are locked into a spiral of debt, if the people voted to end the nuclear war machine, nuclear education and nuclear electricity programmes, they would find the would be a total collapse of the French State –
        everything about France is locked into this Nuclear State – they are as much prisoners of the state as are the populace of North Korea.

        The U.K. must not be bullied into excepting the Trojan Horse of Hinkley Point C.

        • Ba'al Zevul

          My bad for mentioning France. Bound to attract a geography lesson from Norton – note to self, don’t do it. The commenter’s point I was addressing was this, and I guess I should have spelled that out as well:

          …perhaps if opponents, like the former Enoch Powell, focused on the practical disadvantages, rather than just moral outrage, more progress would be made towards unilateral and multi-lateral disarmament and deliver the conventional forces and diplomacy that’s really needed to defend Britain.

          And the argument that overwhelmingly needs to be made is that we simply can’t afford Trident. We can’t begin to afford Trident. All Trident does, like any other whizzo ‘national’ project, is create debt, which will keep the creators of funny money in profit for decades to come. Neither faction of Labour buys this: the Blairites enthusiastically support the creation of unpayable debt and the mortgaging of the future against present self-aggrandisement, and the old Left doesn’t really approve of economics at all. I wonder what that old economist Marx would have made of it?

          • Alcyone

            Geography lesson, LOL!

            Still, one thing that worries me: what if some Wahhabi mad-hatter, mad-hattah or hijabcker flies an airplane into a nuclear power station reactor?

            Does anyone really consider that farfetched, in this day and age?

      • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella)

        The solution, Komodo, is obviously for the UK and France to subsume their nuclear weapons capabilities into a new EU nuclear weapons capability.

        In that way – with 28 (soon to be 27) fingers hovering around the trigger – you can be sure that it will never be pulled.

          • Alcyone

            Yes, excellent–very good one!

            Trident, Russia etc aside, I can tell you the most likely scenario is the attack on a nuclear power station. No triggers required, minimal effort, maximum gall, 911 principles complied with.

  • michael norton

    Sunday’s deadline for UKIP Wales leader Nathan Gill to give up either being an MEP or an AM is expected to lapse without his resignation.

    A source close to Mr Gill said he was not going to follow demands from the party’s National Executive Committee (NEC) to give up one of the roles or face expulsion from the party.

    Mr Gill has faced criticism for “double-jobbing” as an MEP and an AM.

    A final decision on Mr Gill’s fate is expected from an NEC meeting on Monday.

    The source told BBC Wales: “He’s not going to meet that deadline. He is not going to resign from anything.”
    ‘Anti-democratic’

    UKIP assembly group leader Neil Hamilton and four other AMs recently called for Mr Gill to go as an AM if he will not stand down as an MEP. He said it was “physically impossible to combine the two” jobs.

    But Mr Gill had called the NEC’s decision “anti-democratic” and “baseless”.

    The Struggle for control of UKIP

    UKIP is currently undergoing a leadership contest after Nigel Farage resigned from the role.

    Mr Gill was campaign chairman for Steven Woolfe, an ally of Mr Farage who had intended to run in the UKIP leadership contest but did not get on to the ballot.

    He had been viewed by some as the front-runner in the contest.

    The source claimed the row over Mr Gill is “all part of the battle for the ideology of UKIP”, which they said had seen Mr Woolfe excluded from the race.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-36997345

    This smacks of NULABOUR tactics

  • Dave

    Man Made Climate Change is an obvious hoax promoted by a range of interests, including the nuclear lobby. Modern day funding into the hoax began under Thatcher and from her point of view it was to do with the politics of energy and finding a “right wing/Zionist” alternative to Socialist coal and Arab oil – not saving the planet. Nuclear was once deemed a very cheap fuel, but it isn’t, so its now promoted as the way to save the Planet, never mind the cost!

    Ironically the “Red/Greens” within the Environmental Lobby, which is in fact a very broad church, are faced with a dilemma over priorities, because if they continue to promote the climate hoax, it de facto becomes propaganda for nuclear power and in turn nuclear proliferation, which is a genuine man made threat to humanity.

    Just as there are cheaper alternatives to nuclear weapons there are cheaper alternatives to nuclear power, and these include good old coal and oil, and for good or bad there is now a more diversified supply and extraction methods than there was, which in turns changes the politics of energy back away from nuclear.

    • Ba'al Zevul

      Oh dear. Here comes the fossil fuel lobby. Still, I don’t have kids who will have to stay alive on the wrecked planet, why should I care?

    • nevermind

      Dave what part of sustainability do you not understand? Is it your opinion that humanity has trodden likely on earth and that we are well within our equilibrium?

      That said here are three facts to get on with before you start reverting back to a coal and oil habit. The Antarctic, for the first time ever, has recorded 400ppm Co2 in the athmosphere this year, soon to be enjoyed by us all.

      Why do you think Glaciers in Greenland are melting at record tonnages and sea levels are rising faster during the last 50 years?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise

    • michael norton

      Nuclear bombs/power is the instrument of the devil.
      Guess which devil dropped nuclear bombs on people?
      guess which devil “coerced” the Japanese to install American reactors, that have polluted the area around Fukushima?
      Guess which devil is coercing the British into renewing Trident to threaten Russia?
      guess which devil has been at the forefront of most conflicts since the Second World War?

      Until quite recently the Chinese devil was building several coal-fired electricity plants each week, yes each week.
      I don’t think Britain has built a Nuclear or coal-fired plant in two decades, so if we were to build a few coal-fired electricity plants in Britain, it would not be very significant on a World-CO2 front
      but it would have BIG positive gains for the United Kingdom.
      All the plant could be maufactured in the U.K.
      all the coal could be extracted in the U.K.
      we could tell the French to stick Hinkley Point C where the Sun don’t shine

      New coal fired plants as against new french nuclear plants,

      on the economics alone it is a no-brainer.

    • Republicofscotland

      Dave.

      Not that I agree with you, but lets say you are correct, in your assumptions.

      Wouldn’t it be better, and a natural progression, to move towards cleaner energy? Such as wind solar and tidal production.

      • michael norton

        The Chinese devil has gone large on coal and nuclear but also large on solar.
        The fact that the Chinese devil has gone large on solar, means that the cost of solar has come down.
        Many improvements of efficiency have also occurred, much more with the development of graphene ( to come)
        Call me Dave stopped the love money for re-newables and he blinked at The Severn Estuary barrage, which is capable (if built) of supplying 5% of all the electricity needed in the U.K. for two hundreds years and we would not need the fucking “help” of the French.
        But Call me Dave plumped for Hinkley Point C .
        Call me Dave is now yesterdays person.
        Time to re-evaluate our needs/priorities
        and yes re-newables will play a massive part in the re-generation of our power needs.

  • Republicofscotland

    One has to wonder, especially after the outing of the failings of the DNC, and its alleged campaign of trying to smear Bernie Sanders, if, Donald Trump is actually a contender for the position of POTUS, or if he is a plant intended to push voters towards a much maligned Hilary Clinton.

    I say that knowing that many influencial Republicans, there names can be found in the link, actually support Hillary Clinton. One wonders if Trump has done enough, to revile the voting populus of America, and push them towards, the well known war hawk Clinton. I would say yes to that, the staged contest, in my opinion is reaching its conclusion, all the players in the know, have played their part impeccably.

    https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2016/08/04/death-of-the-2-party-system-gop-bigwigs-formally-endorse-hillary-clinton/

    • nevermind

      The Syrian opposition in exile is already using Shillary as their saviour, saying that she would deal more concisely with Assad and Russia.
      Now how long into her presidency before she provides arms to refugees in Europe, after she supplied IS with Libyan arms?
      Hillary Clinton is poison to Europe, the EU and its interests, she wants to break it up as it is not conducive to the plans she is subjected to.

      • Republicofscotland

        Nevermind.

        I agree Clinton is just another obedient puppet, her handlers decide her policies both domestic and foreign. She (Clinton) has repeatedly stated, that she’ll be tough on Iran, possibility to halt the flow of previously embargoed Iranian oil and goods onto the world market, which could undermine and destablise, her very powerful business acquaintances financial interests.

        Not everyone in the Senate was pleased by Obama’s actions of lifting certain sanctions against Iran.

        Libya, Syria Yemen, expect Clinton to keep the wars flowing, and the arms manufactures to keep making a profit.

        As for the EU, I hope that, they can, though I very much doubt it, keep the great satan (US government) at arms length in the future, no good can come from American influence on EU matters.

        • Resident Dissident

          Not that I wish to encourage you further in doing God’s work against the Great Satan but perhaps you might wish to elucidate on who is the puppetmaster behind Clinton before you descend into slathering incomprehensibility? Perhaps those with pension funds might wish to direct their investments accordingly?

          • Republicofscotland

            RD.

            Oh I see, you wish me to nominate a group, or a section of society, I know where you’re going with this RD.

            I’ll say that the interests of big business comes first, one wonders who sponsored Clintons multi-million if not a billion, POTUS campaign. Those people interests will be high on the agenda, when Clinton, gets her feet under the Resolute desk.

            Clinton is in my opinion a confirmed war hawk, so we know what to expect on foreign policy. A policy that won’t really benefit the average American, infact it will go as far as to revile them in some regions. However the Industrial Military Complex machine will profit greatly, as will Clinton’s campaign sponsors.

          • Loony

            Resident Dissident – You really should try and keep up. There is no need to ask for ideas as to who is behind Clinton. The information is all publicly available.

            Here is a list of the organizations that have met Hillary’s modest speaking fees

            http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-24/heres-full-list-organizations-paid-hillary-clinton-2013-2015

            If you are interested you can also research the donors to the Clinton foundation. You will find that these donors include stereotypical good ole Americans such as the governments of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Oman.

          • Republicofscotland

            Looney.

            Thank you for that list, it is striking how many pharmaceutical companies and financial institutions contributed to Hilary Clinton’s $21 million dollar bonanza. Those and the other companies named, obviously didn’t pay Clinton for her orating eloquence, nor her after dinner anecdotes.

            I’m reminded of her husband Bill, when he became POTUS, Hillary’s ideas extended to better healthcare for all, then a noble gesture, however big pharma (allegedly) warned Bill Clinton, to tell his wife to “back-off” so to speak, and keep her nose out of healthcare reform. It wasn’t too many years later, that big pharma (allegedly) had bought and paid for Hillary’s support.

          • Republicofscotland

            Looney.

            Re my last comment, your link runs only to 2015, however this link runs till 2016, it is usual suspects that make an appearance.

            https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career

            I have read several articles claiming that Saudi Arabia has funded 20% of Hillary’s POTUS campaign.

            This link provides information.

            http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-13/saudi-arabia-has-funded-20-hillarys-presidential-campaign-saudi-crown-prince-claims

        • nevermind

          Further to this subject of undermining Europe, it is now evidenced by more than one source that NATO country Turkey and Erdogan were sending IS operatives amongst the refugees into Europe.

          So we know that Shillary has send arms via Turkey to IS and that Turkey/NATO is supporting the arms trafficking that is going to IS.

          My point is, how long after becoming POTUS will it take for her to arm IS terrorists in Europe?

        • Mick McNulty

          I hear they’ve promised Hillary if she makes President they’ll carve her image on Mount Rushmore. As soon as they find two faces.

    • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella)

      RoS

      Do you have any ideas to share on who may have “planted” Donald Trump?

      • Republicofscotland

        Well Habb, I could make a comparison with Jeremy Corbyn, who was thrown in at the last minute, to in my opinion, make the race for leader of the Labour party, appear open and fair. However Corbyn, instead of being a also ran, turned out be made of sterner stuff. I doubt Trump, with his anti- just about everything rhetoric, was allowed to run, on a winning ticket, that’s my opinion of course.

        Watching American political rallies, they appear stage managed from all angles, there’s no spontaneity about them, they look well rehearesed in every department. To create a mind set of democracy and fairness, even the speeches are similar, Melania Trump, and Michelle Obama’s speeches for instance.

        It would not be a great stretch of the imagination to think, that the next POTUS, could be orchestrated, one just has to look at how long the Clinton’s and Bushes have lingered around Washington, in influenctial posts, or as POTUS nominees.

          • Alcyone

            Mods:

            For the record, let this root of the stalking be here to see under the microscope or, in the clarity of a beautiful clear summer’s day. There is a similar stalk-and-snipe technique remark further upstream in the thread. The attempt is cheap, with a clear intent to sow discord.

            This sock-puppet has previous form with names like April Showers, May Day, Flaming June and Hotter than July. Look out for a Hot August Night 😉

        • Habbabkuk (la vita e' bella)

          Thank you for that, RoS, but in those 15 lines of yours you haven’t actually said who you believe may have “planted” Trump, have you.

        • Ba'al Zevul

          Watching American political rallies, they appear stage managed from all angles, there’s no spontaneity about them, they look well rehearesed in every department. To create a mind set of democracy and fairness, even the speeches are similar, Melania Trump, and Michelle Obama’s speeches for instance.

          Congatulations on noticing this hitherto unknown aspect of US elections. Turn your attention to our own spontaneous and robustly plain-speaking politicians for a striking contrast (lol). But how likely is it that Trump has been inserted by anyone other than Trump? He doesn’t depend on the branding and message manipulation that a mainstream US (or UK) politician employs, at colossal expense. He says outrageous things, in the certain and instinctive knowledge that a good number of his audience are thinking exactly the same; and by saying them he’s giving his followers license to express them.

          He funded at least the first part of his campaign from his own resources. Half the Republican Party is holding its nose as it admits he’s the only person who can get them the presidency, and briefing surreptitiously against him. Who, other than Trump could be backing him? Isr**l? Nonsense. Hillary as SoS demonstrated her complete allegiance, and has reiterated it while on the stump, not least bringing the roof down at the mandatory AIPAC vetting session, at which Trump performed poorly. Obama’s policy towards Isr**l may have been less than enthusiastic, but that doesn’t mean that the Dems can be discounted at all. Only a minority in either House is even faintly critical of US aid and comfort to the biggest shitstirrer in the ME.

          Trump’s most likely backers are the likes of the Koch Bros, whose hostility has been public until quite recently:

          http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/02/koch-brothers-have-donald-trump-problem

          Lately, however, now Trump is the only GOP candidate, their interests are beginning to coincide. That this is largely unplanned is explored here:

          http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/37136-kochs-ground-game-in-election-will-support-trump-no-matter-what

          So who?

          • philw

            Hillary.

            The only way she could be elected is if she runs against someone even more repugnant. And Trump is an old family friend. Presidential elections are a complete charade. Since Reagan POTUS has been as much a figurehead as the Queen.

            The election process is being used to push US politics even further to the right and to stoke up the Cold War. Trump validates the Tea Party tendency, meanwhile Putin is accused of meddling in the election process (something the US would never do!).

    • Courtenay Barnett

      Republic of Scotland,

      It would be interesting to have your views/answer on this one…

      After watching this YouTube video:-

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ojeiby_l7E

      fun and joke aside, I am seriously questioning whether or not Hillary is all here. The clips are real; her behaviour is abnormal; the responses in certain instances must make any sane person wonder.

      Is she already off the deep end?

      Really – just watch the video.

      • Republicofscotland

        Courtenay Barnett.

        As Johnstone states, the video is private, we have no access.

          • Republicofscotland

            Courtney.

            Your video just became active I watched it, I found it interesting, she (Hillary Clinton) does appear to act strangely on occasion. We’ve got to bear in mind that Clinton is 68 years of age and will ultimately have some health problems, and possibly taking medication to boot.

            The medication may have side effects, that exacerbated her health problems, and mannerisms, however Dick Morris who was in Bill Clinton’s adminstration, and claims to know them well, doesn’t paint a pretty picture of Hillary. It’s not uncommon for psychopaths to achieve lofty positions in commerce or the political field.

            Even Forbes, agrees that sociopaths/psychopaths, are regular high achievers.

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/victorlipman/2013/04/25/the-disturbing-link-between-psychopathy-and-leadership/#4653ab5a2740

            Anyway here’s Dick Morris, on Hillary Clinton.

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdg8Ab42l-c

    • bevin

      “…the DNC, and its alleged campaign of trying to smear Bernie Sanders,…”
      No need for that word ‘alleged.’

  • michael norton

    More killings on the streets of FRANCE

    Two men in their twenties were killed by Kalashnikov fire Sunday morning in Marseille. The incident took place around 10:15, instead Brossolette, not far from the Saint-Charles train station.
    A trap
    http://www.ledauphine.com/france-monde/2016/08/07/fusillade-a-marseille-deux-morts
    “Two vehicles, a Twingo, each occupied by a passenger followed when they were blocked by a third vehicle which came out four men armed with Kalashnikovs. One of the drivers of the two cars stuck in this trap is out of the car and was shot as he ran away, the second was shot in the vehicle, “said Deputy Prosecutor André Ribes.

    “The third vehicle” whose four armed men got out, fled, said Mr. Ribes.

    Both victims are older than twenty years. They had not yet been identified in the late morning. Given the procedure, investigators prefer the track of settlement accounts, on probable background of drug trafficking.

    • RobG

      Are you going to report every murder in France, and try to blame it on Islamists?

      Howabout the worst political violence in modern French history, which happened in Paris last June (and continues all across the country). These riots took place during the Euro 2016 football tournament. I’m sure you read all about it in your favourite CIA controlled rag…

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSLwL0iwYMk

      Strange, don’t you think, that all this twerrorist stuff coincides with this massive civil unrest?

      I’m so relieved that we’ve got the state of emergency here in France, which has been extended by another six months and looks set to become permanent.

      Britain will be next.

    • Ba'al Zevul

      That’a actually not a bad idea. The overwhelming case that needs to be made is the economic one. As he says:

      The fact is, the economic decisions this Government is making are out of choice not circumstances.

      And that choice is increasingly impacting the squeezed middle and aspirants, who may read the Telegraph, but are not members of the well-rewarded oligarchy. Who may see for themselves that the Government subsidising private contractors to deliver services is inevitably more expensive than having the Government deliver them itself.

      I think he tried in that article to push too many buttons, but I’m certain that some of them work. And the timing – on the day that it is announced that FTSE100 CEOs have paid themselves an additional 10% this year, while most of we the less-privileged see our wages drop yet again in real terms, isn’t bad at all.

  • Silvio

    Here is a podcast of an interview (1hr) with investigative journalist Russ Baker (author of Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, America’s Invisible Government, and the Hidden History of the Last Fifty Years) discussing the “networks of power that shape events and undermine democracy”:

    Podcast — Russ Baker on the Deep State, Elites and Democracy
    WhoWhatWhy readers come to the site for perspective they won’t find elsewhere. In this lengthy podcast, our editor-in-chief, Russ Baker fields questions about “Deep Politics” — the study of little-explored networks of power that shape events and undermine democracy.

    Listen on-line or download an mp3:
    http://whowhatwhy.org/2016/08/07/podcast-russ-baker-deep-state-elites-democracy/

  • Dave

    The Climate hoax is elementary but as its off topic I’ll settle for pointing out that Piers Corbyn is Jeremy’s brother, a man of the “Left” and a Climatologist. He easily explained on the George Galloway show Sputnik, that rises in atmospheric CO2 follow rises in temperature, not vice versa.

    This is because most CO2 is trapped in the oceans that cover over 3/4 of Planet. When temperature rises due to sunspot activity, the oceans evaporate realising CO2 into the atmosphere, and when temperature cools, due to a decline in sunspot activity, the CO2 sinks back into the oceans and feeds general vegetation growth. Simples!

    Although its a fair assumption that candidates are bought by special interest groups you never know for sure how they will behave once elected. Trump’s “America First” rhetoric is a popular republican tradition and makes sense of his willingness to talk to Putin et al rather than support the neo-con “bomb them all” on behalf of Israel never mind the cost to American taxpayers approach.

    And Hilary despite her “I’ll obliterate Iran” was/is still held in suspicion by the neo-cons, because before she became a Senator for New York, New York, she was sympathetic to the plight of Palestine. So you never Know!

    • deepgreenpuddock

      This paragraph is transparently misunderstood, school level, science bollocks. I wont even bother to dignify it with a comment, or explanation.
      You are scientifically illiterate.Only fools, unaware of their shortcomings, would comment on this topic at all, as anyone with a grain of intelligence would know their limits, and know that commenting beyond these limits, he or she, just reveals what an arse he or she is.

      This is because most CO2 is trapped in the oceans that cover over 3/4 of Planet. When temperature rises due to sunspot activity, the oceans evaporate realising CO2 into the atmosphere, and when temperature cools, due to a decline in sunspot activity, the CO2 sinks back into the oceans and feeds general vegetation growth. Simples!

      • Alan

        And as you feel free to hurl insults around:

        http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/bacteria/cyanointro.html

        Introduction to the Cyanobacteria – Architects of earth’s atmosphere

        Cyanobacteria are aquatic and photosynthetic, that is, they live in the water, and can manufacture their own food. Because they are bacteria, they are quite small and usually unicellular, though they often grow in colonies large enough to see. They have the distinction of being the oldest known fossils, more than 3.5 billion years old, in fact! It may surprise you then to know that the cyanobacteria are still around; they are one of the largest and most important groups of bacteria on earth.

        Many Proterozoic oil deposits are attributed to the activity of cyanobacteria. They are also important providers of nitrogen fertilizer in the cultivation of rice and beans. The cyanobacteria have also been tremendously important in shaping the course of evolution and ecological change throughout earth’s history. The oxygen atmosphere that we depend on was generated by numerous cyanobacteria during the Archaean and Proterozoic Eras. Before that time, the atmosphere had a very different chemistry, unsuitable for life as we know it today.

        Quite simply, if fit weren’t for Cyanobacteria, there would still be no oxygen, therefore no animals of vegetation, and no stupid men who talk about “Man made global warming” as if humans were something separate from the ecosphere. No, we weren’t put here by some god, we were put here by Cyanobacteria.

        Idiots talk about destroying the earth, but the earth could shake off the human race, just as it once shook off the dinosaurs, and within ten thousand years, but a hiccup in the age of the earth, there would not be a trace left.

      • Alan

        Just FYI Earth is a dynamic planet. On a dynamic planet change is a constant factor. If the planet ceases to be dynamic, it also ceases to support life. This may help you out:

        http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Observing/obs_3.php

        “Change is perhaps the only constant in our planet’s history. Since the Earth’s beginning about 4.5 billion years ago, natural climate and environmental conditions on our planet have been in constant flux. Solar variability, volcanic eruptions, meteor impacts, the emergence of life, the formation of an atmosphere rich in oxygen and greenhouse gases, changing ocean circulation patterns, wildfires—over the millennia these and other geological forces shaped an intricately intertwined global climate system that we are only just beginning to understand.”

        Did you get that last sentence? I’ll repeat it again to help you understand: “over the millennia these and other geological forces shaped an intricately intertwined global climate system that we are only just beginning to understand.”

        So don’t play the know it all with me because real scientists, including the ones at Southampton National Oceanography Centre, where I may have spent some time, admit that “we are only just beginning to understand.”

        http://noc.ac.uk/

        http://noc.ac.uk/news/historical-models-shed-light-global-warming

    • J

      Even if true, your real agenda appears to be maintenance of limited access to energy through the current status quo thus ensuring the continued profitability of resource war and the portfolio’s of those who invest in oil, coal, gas and weapons/logistics.

    • Alan

      http://www.serendipity.li/climate/hieb/Global%20Warming_A%20Chilling%20Perspective.html

      Global warming started long before the “Industrial Revolution” and the invention of the internal combustion engine. Global warming began 18,000 years ago as the earth started warming its way out of the Pleistocene Ice Age– a time when much of North America, Europe, and Asia lay buried beneath great sheets of glacial ice.

      Earth’s climate and the biosphere have been in constant flux, dominated by ice ages and glaciers for the past several million years. We are currently enjoying a temporary reprieve from the deep freeze.

      Approximately every 100,000 years Earth’s climate warms up temporarily. These warm periods, called interglacial periods, appear to last approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years before regressing back to a cold ice age climate. At year 18,000 and counting our current interglacial vacation from the Ice Age is much nearer its end than its beginning.

    • Alan

      With all that warming going on, and increasing CO2 levels, one would expect bumper crop yields this year, but no:

      http://www.reuters.com/article/us-grains-wheat-harvest-idUSKCN10F1FR

      Persistent rain the culprit.

      “In France, the situation has continued to deteriorate,” said Pierre Begoc of consultancy Agritel

      In late spring, torrential rain, unusually low sunshine levels and widespread plant disease hampered growth of wheat grains.

      In Germany, winter wheat yields could fall 10 to 20 percent from last year,

      As in Germany, rain was raising concerns about quality downgrades to wheat crops in Poland.

  • michael norton

    The group calling itself Islamic State, or ISIL, has claimed responsibility for the machete attack that wounded two policewomen in the Belgian city of Charleroi, the group’s Amaq news agency said on Twitter on Sunday.

    Prosecutors have identified the attacker as K.B., a 33-year-old Algerian man who had lived in Belgium since 2012. He had a criminal record but was not known to police for terror-related offenses.

    The assailant, who shouted “Allahu Akbar” (“God is greatest” in Arabic) during the assault on Saturday afternoon, was shot by a third police officer and later died of his injuries. He was carrying a rucksack but no explosives or other weapons were found.

    http://www.euronews.com/2016/08/07/isil-claims-machete-attack-against-belgian-policewomen

    Prime Minister Charles Michel cut short his holiday and said security was being increased at police stations.

    “I repeat my message that we must keep a cool head. We must avoid panic of course… and not give in to terror. That’s the trap that’s been set for us,” he told a news conference.

    Both policewomen sustained wounds to their face and neck and were rushed to hospital, where they were placed in a medically induced coma, Belgian media reported.

    A spokesman for the Charleroi police told RTBF state media that one of them was seriously wounded as she received “very powerful” machete blows on her face. The other officer was more lightly wounded, also above the neck.

    • RobG

      ISIS are an entirely American creation (go look it up), and the fact that you keep pumping out all this anti-Islamic bullshit leads me to believe that you are yet another one of the sad, criminal and pitiful trolls who infest this board.

      We’re coming for you, make no mistake about that.

      • michael norton

        The BBC is pushing The Army of Conquest as being the good people who will get rid of Assad
        but who is backing The Army of Conquest, and isn’t that a strange name for freedom fighters?
        The alliance was formed in March 2015 under the supervision and coordination of Saudi cleric Dr Abdullah al-Muhaysini.
        It is actively supported by Saudi Arabia and Turkey.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Conquest
        Ideology Sunni Wahhabism

        Syria rebels ‘break government siege’ of Aleppo
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-37000570

        So, think it through Rob, before you come for me.

        • Alcyone

          Norton, RobG and thinking-it-through, together? You haven’t learnt a thing in your time here, have you?

          You have all 57 Varieties in One single Cuckoo right there. Thank God he’s at a safe distance.

          • Alan

            This is Michael’s blog, dontchaknow RobG and thus he doesn’t have to explain 🙂

        • Alan

          “The Army of Conquest” is a spin-off from “Team America World Police” with a tilt towards the Muslim audience..

  • Dave

    The Link about Piers was the usual waffle and incidental without any details about Carbon Dioxide, which is essential to life on Earth, rather than a threat to humanity – but some interesting comments. I admit Piers appears eccentric, which I find endearingly British, but his explanation of the hoax is elementary.

    Humans cannot breathe without CO2 and it is the food plants breathe to make them grow. More CO2 in the atmosphere the quicker and bigger the plants grow, making them more plentiful, solving a food shortage.

    CO2 is only about 0.38% of the total atmosphere and its naturally occurring and there are natural variations. The human bit is a tiny fraction of this and is easily eclipsed by the natural variations irrespective of whatever is happening in China. Simples.

    You know these highly publicised attacks are staged, because they are immediately attributed to or the latest ones speculatively attributed to IS. But how would you know so soon, unless you have foreknowledge, which is the case, because ‘Islamic State’ is a ‘western’ franchise and deployed as a bogeyman to further foreign policy objectives and now in France to extend the state of emergency.

    Ironically like the climate hoax, ‘Islamic State’ is now promoted by a range of interests, but for different reasons. I.e. America/neo-cons ‘oppose’ it to topple Assad and Russia opposes it to support Assad.

  • RobG

    If normal/sane people don’t believe what I say perhaps they should check this out…

    https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130715/11210223804/anti-propaganda-ban-repealed-freeing-state-dept-to-direct-its-broadcasting-arm-american-citizens.shtml

    Ah, the NDAA (which stands for the National Defense Authorization Act). The NDAA 2012 was signed into law by Obama on New Year’s Eve 2011, when he thought no one would be looking. The NDAA 2012 effectively strips all Americans of civil rights (once again, go look it up). I mean, are Americans so fecking stupid that they would accept this? The answer, I’m afraid is YES.

    Europeans are now swallowing the same rollocks; France being a major exception. You can read all about it in your favourite CIA controlled rag.

  • Brianfujisan

    A Sound response to –

    The Former Guardian columnist Alex Andreou has posted a savagely misleading “Acid Attack” of an article entitled “The Truth About Jeremy Corbyn” which attacks Jeremy Corbyn and derides his supporters on his blog…

    Concern Trolling

    “I voted for him in the first place, because I thought all four candidates last time were unelectable. So I thought: ‘Fuck it. If none of them can reach out to the wider electorate, I might as well vote for the one whose politics most closely align with mine’.”

    If he admits that he only voted for Corbyn because Andy Burnham, Yvette Cooper and Liz Kendall were even worse candidates then he clearly and demonstrably wasn’t as keen on Corbyn in 2015 as he is keep to trash him in 2016.

    Pretending that you loved something before you set about explaining how much other people should hate it is a classic dishonest debating tactic that is commonly referred to as “concern trolling”. People like Andreou try to get you onside by saying they understand how you feel in order to then relentlessly work you into switching to their side of the debate.

    Corbyn vs Smith

    …. Tellingly Andreou never admits that he supports Owen Smith, or gives any single reason why Smith would make a better leader than Jeremy Corbyn. But then the clear point of the article is to damage Corbyn as much as possible, not to explain why the only alternative option for Labour members to vote for would actually be any better.

    Alleged abuse

    By weaponising the claimed abuse of unnamed individuals in order to attack one of the only mainstream politicians who actively avoids the kind of dirty personal politics that David Cameron, Lynton Crosby and the Tories have legitimised through their repeated use, Andreou is simply adding to the downwards pressure on the already dispiritingly low standard of political debate in the UK.

    If Andreou really has suffered any serious abuse and intimidation he should report it to the authorities because stuff like threats of violence, bigoted abuse and cyber-stalking are all crimes that should be investigated. If it’s just a case of inarticulate people telling him to “fuck off” because they disagree with him he should just ignore them.

    Acid Attacks

    Not only Andreou he use derogatory generalisations and accusations as weapons to belittle the hundreds of thousands of people from all ages, areas of the country and walks of like who support Jeremy Corbyn, he openly admits that “he’s gone over the top” with his criticisms and then belligerent declares that “I stand by every acid word”.

    Scottish politics

    Trying to blame Jeremy Corbyn for the annihilation of Labour in their traditional Scottish heartlands displays an extreme ignorance of Scottish politics.

    Scottish Labour lost 40 of their 41 Westminster seats at the 2015 General Election. This happened months before most people even knew who Jeremy Corbyn was. The election strategist for that complete meltdown was a Blairite called John McTernan. And guess what … the guy who is actually most blameworthy for the Scottish debacle is standing alongside Andreou cheerleading for the Anyone But Corbyn coup….

    The Scottish electorate abandoned Labour because they were sick of being treated like an insignificant irrelevance. Andreou exemplifies this complacent Labour attitude towards Scottish voters in his absolute unwillingness to consider the actual causes of the furious mass revolt against the Labour Party by one of it’s most reliable demographics.

    Channelling Tony Blair

    One quote from the article stands out because of its remarkable similarity to a sentiment expressed by Tory Blair back when he thought that his anti-Corbyn rants would serve any purpose other than sounding like a ringing endorsement in the minds of the millions of people Blair and his cronies drove away from the Labour Party.
    “Right now, the only thing more frightening to any rational person than Labour losing the next election, is Labour winning it with Corbyn in charge.” – Alex Andreou, 2016
    “Let me m.
    ake my position clear: I wouldn’t want to win on an old-fashioned leftist platform. Even if I thought it was the route to victory, I wouldn’t take it.” – Tony Blair, 2015
    The sentiment that it would be much better for Labour to lose the next election than actualy win with Jeremy Corbyn in charge is clearly identical
    Perhaps if Corbyn’s critics don’t like being criticised as Blairites, they should consider not using the exact same form of anti-Corbyn argument as Tony Blair?

    Full Piece here –

    http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/alex-andreous-acid-attack-article.html

    • fred

      Only nine? They should be able to think of more options than that, is digital on the list?

      What they need to do is come up with just one option that would work without having to impose huge austerity cuts and tax increases.

    • Alan

      “Has the steam for a second Scottish referendum vanished?”

      It’s on a hiatus because Craig is taking care of his Mum.

    • michael norton

      And before anyone tries to politically correct me, I have a mate who had four children with his wife, before she declared she is a lesbian.

      • michael norton

        By that I mean, a woman being married to a man,
        does not stop her being a lesbian.

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