Confident of victory off the back of large numbers of murdered people changing the media agenda, a triumphalist Theresa May yesterday vowed – contrary to the Tory manifesto – to “rip up” human rights legislation.
This feels to me like it could be Theresa May’s “awright! awright! awright!” moment. Most of my readers will recall the 1992 election, where Neil Kinnock finished with a rally in Sheffield at which his high octane triumphalism was viewed by many of the public as revealing a rather unpleasant character, which possibly helped engender a shock last minute swing which lost him the election.
May’s Slough meeting is very different to that Sheffield rally – for one thing May’s crowd of Tory activists was tiny, and as always that BBC video uses tight focus to hide her lack of enthusiastic support. But what it has in common with Sheffield is hubris. I strongly suspect that ditching human rights is wildly popular among the rabid racist Brexiteers who constitute her core vote. Locking up Muslims without charge and throwing away the key will appeal to them. But a great deal of the rest of the population are bright enough to work out that proposal is likely to cause more, not less, terrorism. They will view May’s performance as presumptive and alarming.
Of course, abandoning human rights would make May’s Saudi friends feel more at home when they come to London to entertain call girls in their penthouses. But I expect May’s declaration may cost the Tories several seats, not least to the Liberals in South West London.
There is one very obvious point that the mainstream media has deliberately avoided. The Tories having made Brexit central to May’s campaign, there is no minister more crucial to the election than David Davis, the Brexit Secretary. Davis is a libertarian with a long and genuinely distinguished record in opposing human rights encroachments made in the name of the War on Terror. There is no way Davis is going to go along with substantial censorship of the internet, increased surveillance powers, and detention without trial. If May pushes ahead with her draconian plans, she will need a new Brexit Secretary.
For this reason, Davis has disappeared from the Tory campaign since the focus was shifted by the mainstream media to those conveniently timed terror attacks. They were especially conveniently timed for the Saudi sponsors of terror, as a Labour government would be committed to ending arms exports to Saudi, and would not support bombing Assad forces in support of jihadists in Syria.
Why has nobody in the mainstream media pointed out that Davis will not support May’s new anti-human rights proposals? Why have they not attempted to interview him on the subject?
Mainstream media spend thousands of hours probing differences within Labour. Yet this massive disagreement on what the media themselves have described as the main issue of the election, between the two major figures of the Conservative campaign, goes completely unremarked. Media silence. We must not question our masters.
Craig, it was 1992.
Thanks, amended.
“But a great deal of the rest of the population are bright enough to work out that proposal is likely to cause more, not less, terrorism.”
Maybe. Hopefully.
The Tories know this too, which begs the question why ?
I suspect it’s more than just about terrrrists.
Yes-without a doubt, defo,
When you combine the proposed erosion of our rights, with the control freaks wanting to muffle the internet, & it gives me a very bad feeling for our future.
But, once again, we have a solution. A clean break.
Pity those who haven’t even this hope.
Come on England (and the wee 2). Vote JC, you know it’s good for you 😉
defo, here is my first attempt,http://dai.ly/x5khzvv
Bingo. I do believe you’ve cracked it.
I’ll watch that later, when the days graft is done. Ta.
Brilliant!
Its not May’s policy its Trump’s
May is making it clear that the UK will again in the next Parliament as each Parliament this century choose not to form its own Foreign Policy but will adopt that of the US of A, unadulterated by British interests
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/us-may-withdraw-from-un-human-rights-council-over-israel-criticism/news-story/99e69c56298301b818e38cacd9d040f3
Quite agree, but its not just Trump’s policy – its the US deep state as well. Human Rights are no longer useful now they’ve done Iraq, Libya and Syria.
I lean to the opinion that they also wanted us out of the EU – dont know what the hell Cameron was up to otherwise.
“…since those conveniently timed terror attacks. They were especially conveniently timed for the Saudi sponsors of terror, as a Labour government would be committed to ending arms exports to Saudi, and would not support bombing Assad forces in support of jihadists in Syria.”
So whatchoo saying? Are you saying the Saudis sponsored the attacks? J
Aaah John, I am using the cunning technique of conveying my meaning through words which I typed.
Humph! I think you’re doing a little less and a little more than that. J
See no evidence that Craig implied that the Saudis were behind Britain’s terror attacks,
They were basically home-grown, and permitted to happen because of May’s bad policy’-making.
She is trying to turn big mistake into a big win, like GW did in the wake of 9/11.
You’ve confused him by putting them in the right order too.
“Why has nobody in the mainstream media pointed out that Davis will not support May’s new anti-human rights proposals?”
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One answer could be that we do not know what those proposals are in detail. Another could be that the PM has only just come out with her statement, And a third could be that the mainstream media do not share your belief about Mr Davis’s likely position.
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“Why have they not attempted to interview him on the subject? ”
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I was under the impression that you were not in favour of beastly MSM people interviewing politicians with a view to trying to establish divisions within a party. After all, you have complained unceasingly about beastly MSM trying to get various Labour Party people to express their opposition to the positions taken by the Labour leadership. Good to see that you have undergone a last-minute conversion.
Is this a ‘beastly’ interview?
“Israel quite openly backing al-Qaeda in Syria. Interview with former Mossad chief Efraim Halevy.”
Since you asked me the question : yes or no, depending on your position on Israel.
“Craig to take note.”
Golan Heights, AKA Syrian Golan.
The utter chaos that is the Middle East suits some.
Just saying, not judging.
The irony is that this time it is the Young Muslim Vote that can swing tomorrows election.
This from 2015
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/03/muslim-vote-sway-uk-general-election-150311055142181.html
If I was May’s advisor I would have counseled her to wait ’till Friday to announce her pro Israel stance.
Great opening line.
Only a party leader who has been kept from meeting the public in a campaign, just as May has, could come out with talk that only appeals to their party’s hardcore support. She’s been surrounded by so many groups of placard wielding sychophantic supporters at these fake rallies that she thinks they are representative.
I see that in the last week more black and Asian people were placed behind her at these rallies. After Craig and many of us had remarked on the overwhelmingly caucasian flavour of these ersatz events.
This thread backs up what I said about tactical voting.
Sheffield in in Yorkshire, and see no mention of it in The Guardian guide.
May must be worried about holding the area, and is going over the top to do so.
Talk of Sheffield above relates to the Labour 1992 Rally. Sheffield is currently safe Labour (with one Labour/Liberal marginal), so it’s not part of Tory thinking really.
May’s ‘rally’ is in Slough; also a Labour seat, but one in the midst of Darkest Tory country. Since May is allergic to the electorate, and accidental contact with a voter, such as in Smithfield this morning, produces a number of unwelcome symptoms, it probably doesn’t matter where in the country she talks to that handful of pre-vetted Tory supporters – she won’t willingly meet the actual public and so it hardly registers as local electioneering.
Here’s the tactical voting ready reckoner
https://bestforbritain.org/constituency/finchley-and-golders-green
Couldn’t the Sheffield Labour/Liberal seat be up for the Tories if the there is no sensible tactical voting?
And thanks, Shatnerugs, about Golders Green which is not on The Guardian’s list.
Hugely unlikely; The 2015 election had Labour and the Liberals on 20k each, with the Tory trailing at 7000 votes. Yougov’s predicting something similar, though they currently predict Labour will unseat Clegg this time round.
Golders Green is going to be one to watch, there are a lot of newly registered under 25s that could upset the Tory applecart
Locking up Muslims without charge and throwing away the key will appeal to (Brexiters).
Well, I doubt it will appeal to Muslims, and Daesh will be very pleased indeed with the division it causes. Not many Brexiters in Daesh, at the last count, come to think of it.
What is far worse is that once they are locked up, conveniently rounded up in internment/concentration camps, they would form networks and plan new attacks teach each other, learn from the big boys who have come back from UK sponsored terror attacks in Libya and Syria.
This has happened everywhere, from the moment we interned and secretly moved around terror suspects, to Guantanamo, BagramC, Abu Graib, or nay of the other prisons, we have enabled terrorism, made the construct work for our future arms expenditure and arms economy, it represents a move that makes terror sustainable and it should be recognised as a bad practise.
The Saudi’s are close to declaring war on Iran’s Shia population, a full out Sunni vs. Shia battle for Iran’s oil wells will ensue, but they will first use their proxies as is shown in the terror attack at the shrine of Ayatollah Khomeni. We can expect a lot of rhetoric and reprisals.
and probably no voters for UKIP at all !
I dont think her voters give a stuff about human rights. They just believe Daily Mail shit if they think at all. England has fucked Scotland for far too long. We dont have to put up with all this Tory horror, though the English seem to like it.
There’s a mile of difference between public opinion and the results dictated by the fascist electoral system.
Dave, please stop that, you keep conflating English people with the corrupt Westminster system. With a Scottish father, london born mother and a brother in Edinburgh I find it deeply divisive.
The Beitish state must be reformed otherwise whoever the first minister they’ll be a puppet on a string
Aye, apart from the faux hate for 90 mins at Wembley/Hampden, you would struggle to find many who ‘Hate’ the English.
Why would we ? Although, the animosity emanating from south of the border since 2012 ish might have repercussions for the future. What happened to all the love bombing !
Hate the Establishment, & their Westmidden enablers ? Och aye, I do.
Betfred have made the SNP slight favourites to retain Perth & North Perthshire. Most others have the SNP and Tories on the same odds. After a few weeks of the Tories being the favourites.
Who wrote her speech, they forgot to put in, it’s really to take away any/all human rights of the people. Nothing would have stopped her saying a separate law for those who visit acts of terrorism in this country and against the people.
absolutely spot on, Craig, the big differences in the Tories are going unnoticed, why ? and not talking to Jon Snow ? ps liked your comments on RTi
The government is crapping itself over what’s being revealed about the Philip May-Saudi-Daesh connections
On Saturday, Amber Rudd was caught on film trying to censor a debate about Salafist terrorism in Britain and the connection that runs from Theresa May, her husband Philip May at the Capital Group, through HSBC to the Saudi state oil company Aramco. When independent candidate Nicholas Wilson, who is standing against Amber Rudd in Hastings and Rye, started to talk about the Saudi connection, Rudd hurriedly wrote on a piece of paper and passed it to the chairman who told Wilson to shut up. You can watch this happening on the video at the above link.
Philip May is no small fish. A past head of the Oxford Union, he has been described as his wife’s “translator” to big business.
We have only a very small amount of time left to stop the Tories winning this election. Please circulate this information by any means that you can. A vote for the Tories is a vote for Saudi-funded Salafist terrorism. The Saudi influence in Britain extends literally through 10 Downing Street, through the person of Philip May.
After Trump’s “highly successful” visit to Saudi, the Saudi dictatorship is attempting to smack down Qatar, which it accuses of funding terrorism. If you actually look at what they are saying, by “terrorism” they mean the Muslim Brotherhood. Daesh despise the Brotherhood. Hamas belongs to the Brotherhood, and Hamas is a hate target for Zionists, in whose interests it is to portray Hamas as if it were “terrorist” and close to Daesh, which it is not. Qatar may well fund the Muslim Brotherhood. But it is Saudi that funds Daesh, the group that blew youngsters to pieces in Manchester and crushed people and slit throats in London on the very day that Rudd tried to stop discussion of the Saudi connection.
HELP MAKE THIS THE STORY OF THIS ELECTION AND WE CAN STILL DEFEAT THE TORIES
I think because of social media if the right wing do purge their political opponents they’d arrest grassroots activists and commenters first. If they went first for high profile targets like John Pilger and Craig Murray we’d soon know of it and could maybe organize a resistance. But if they take us first and then high profile names, who amongst the sheeple will resist once they learn activists were the first swept up?
Repeating the late Tony Benn’s speech in 2005.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/jun/22/terrorism.uk
” In the name of security
22 June 2005
Since the attack on the twin towers, in which many innocent Americans were killed, we have been told that we are engaged in a war against terrorism that threatens our way of life and our liberties. From that moment on we have been asked to adopt a whole range of measures that pose what many believe could be a greater threat to those very liberties and to our way of life.
That fact obliges us to examine them, one by one, as a part of the whole, lest we slip into an acceptance of a situation where we can be seen as acquiescing to restrictions on our political and personal freedoms that would have been unthinkable a few years ago.
For example, the forthcoming debate in the House of Commons on identity cards is motivated by a determination on the part of the government to set up a massive database incorporating everything that is known about us all. It integrates our personal particulars with police and security service files that may or may not be accurate, some of which we may never be allowed to know. It is that which makes it all look so like an embryonic police state.
Much of the argument may rotate around the cost incurred or the reliability of biometric testing but, important as they are, the danger lies in the accumulation, storage and use that may be made of this information.
For example, under the arrangements that Britain has with the US that allow us access to their nuclear technology in the Trident programme, America has long insisted that it should have access to all our intelligence material. That means the ID database will be automatically available to it.
Given the number of leaks that occur and the value of the database, the possibility that it could fall into the hands of others for their private commercial purposes cannot be ruled out – with all the opportunities for abuse that would make possible.
I have retained all my wartime ID cards with my name, address and photo but none of these posed any threat of the nature set out above.
In addition, we now have the latest anti-terrorist legislation, which permits house arrest and detention without a jury trial – eroding principles going back to the Magna Carta.
Security has reached such a pitch that constituents who visit the Commons, now policed by men with machine guns, can only observe those whom they have elected through a transparent bullet proof screen, which only emphasises the widening gap between government and governed.
The prime minister himself moves within a cocoon of highly armed guards, whereas Harold Wilson had a single officer from the Met with a revolver in his pocket. Even when Mrs Thatcher was nearly blown up in Brighton no such stringent measures were proposed.
Next comes the Serious Crime and Disorder Act, under which the home secretary has been authorised to declare an exclusion zone around the Commons. This will silence – and could imprison – Brian Haw, who, far from being guilty of serious crime or disorder, has been preaching peace in Parliament Square and denouncing the war that has killed far more innocent Iraqis than the number of people who died on 9/11.
The Statue of Liberty has been replaced by Guantánamo Bay, and our main ally in the coalition that invaded Iraq now sends detainees to countries that practise torture and feels able to justify it. Soon we are to be told that to defend ourselves the Trident programme is to be updated at a cost that, Michael Portillo argues, could exceed the increase in aid that Britain may pledge at the G8 summit – though how nuclear weapons could deal with Osama bin Laden is far from clear.
At the Labour conference, delegates not only have to go through tight security but are also required to open their briefcases before they enter the conference hall, to make sure they are not carrying socialist literature.
The Commons does not elect our commissioner in Brussels and we are only allowed to vote for a party list in the European elections, leaving the prime minister to select all the Labour MEPs just as he chooses all the members of the House of Lords. This explains what Peter Mandelson meant when he said years ago that “the era of representative government is coming to an end”.
In 1834, when the Commons burned down, crowds stood on the other side of the Thames and cheered because they had lost confidence in it. If that ever happened again, the responsibility would lie with those ministers and MPs who are undermining democracy in the name of security and using fear to push it through.”
Says it all really. What a pathetic homunculus Benn junior seems in comparison.
Re the Benns, father and son:
I’m not sure who is the more pathetic, actually : Hilary Benn, who at least was willing to resign from the shadow cabinet, or his father “Tony” Benn, aka Anthony Wedgewood-Benn, who put up with every humiliation, every defeat in Cabinet, the collapse of every one of his various silly schemes (Meridien, Triumph, anyone?) and the near-universal scorn of his colleagues rather than forgo his ministerial limousine and his seat in the Cabinet…..
And still on Benn senior :
after years of humiliation during which he doggedly clung to his seat in cabinet and shadow cabinet and as an MP, when the silly bugger finally threw in the towel he had the cheek to say that he was quitting Parliament in order to “engage in serious politics” !
YCNMIU.
I was never a massive fan of “white heat of technology” Tony Benn, though that was almost certainly because of the propaganda even then. In retrospect, the man was both a star, and a gentleman of the highest integrity. His son is a total disgrace.
That was Harold Wilson, Tony. J
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Benn#In_government.2C_1964.E2.80.931970
Extract
“In government, 1964–1970”
“Earlier in the month, Benn was promoted to Minister of Technology, which included responsibility for the development of Concorde and the formation of International Computers Ltd (ICL). ”
and I applied for a job with them, after the third interview they said OK then.
(I had worked out how to do interviews and their tests)
Tony
JSD is correct.
Anthony Wedgewood-Benn (aka Anthony Benn and, subsequently, Tony Benn) was just Wilson’s “bright” young gofer and stooge.
Talking about stooges?
“Since you asked me the question : yes or no, depending on your position on Israel.”
General Election polls: Survey finds Labour may have won enough support in the south east to beat the Conservatives
Data has revealed that support for Labour since the General Election was announced has risen while support for UKIP and the Lib Dems has dropped
Updated11:07, 7 JUN 2017
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/general-election-polls-survey-finds-13146320
That’s pretty amazing seeing as they’ve only had the postal votes and no one is allowed to count them till polls close!
😉
There’s a report on Yahoo UK of a street attack on a female nursery worker on her way to work. Three women held her and one slashed her arm while all three chanted Allah. Who writes these appalling scripts?
Sounds like Craig is inclined to accept conspiracy theories about these latest terror attacks. (I must amit, so am I.)
Now, what does that say about earlier terror attacks, like the Madrid subway bombing days before a Spanish election? What does it say about — dare I say? — 9/11?
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Well the terror attacks were fucking convenient for the Tories, weren’t they? And Daesh is Saudi-funded. And Saudi is the favourite foreign country of Theresa May, her husband Philip May (with all his business links there), and Donald Trump.
#TorySaudi
Lets see if this stays.
Former National Intelligence Director James Clapper has stated that Watergate pales in comparison to what Trump has done with the Russians, making out that Nixon’s Plumbers were only involved in a simple break-in while the POYUS engaged in treason.
This iPlumbers were looking for what DNC Director Larry O’Brien had in his files. O’Brien was a lawyer who had info apparently on the suddenly deceased FBI Driector Hoover, and had apparently prepared his will. Had Hoover told him about their assassination campaign which resulted in the shootings of JFK, MLK, RFK and Governor Wallace? And then later there was the surprise death of LBJ on Air Force one after Nixon was re-elected
Even if Trump committed trreaso , it pales by a mile to what Tricky Dick had been up to, and still has to be proven.
It’s just more bloviating from clapper – the man that lied to congress, he has little support beyond the liberal press.
He is also conveniently ignoring Nixon telling the South Vietnamese to pull out the Paris peace talks during the 1968 elections.
LBJ had evidence and could have charged him with treason but didn’t want to undermine the election.
It was actually Vice Presidentiial candidate Spiro Agnew who did it from a phone in Tucson, as I recall, but obviously on Nixon’s instruction.
Nixon then saw off Agnew when it proved convenient.
Please help get the Tory-Saudi (and Philip May) terror story out.
Here are two instances of the Tories trying to squash it:
1) Amber Rudd at a hustings
2) The government trying to sit on a report in to Saudi terror funding
Hashtag: #TorySaudi
look Charles, we have done this when it happened, and the issue is not going life because the MSM does not think its interesting and they are supposed to keep stumm about it, hence they act like the little Tory whores they are and keep stumm on facts.
I shared it on FB and asked others to share it, as have many others, so what else can we do?
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/06/amber-rudd-prevents-independent-candidate-questioning-arms-sales-saudi-sponso
@Nevermind – we are on the same side, my friend 🙂 We can spread it with all the means at our disposal, especially social media. And beard journalists. The Independent and Mirror are starting to touch it. The Canary people are doing well with it. I’m not active on FB, but I think they are. Then there are Russia Today, Press TV etc. Al Jazeera may possibly love it – they are based in Qatar. There are a a few hours left today before the newspapers come out…
Internment sounds an excellent idea.. for failed Tory MPs after tomorrow’s election. Last time they lost most of them quickly changed careers which is why we have the present bunch of waxworks in the party over in the horror corner.
@Craig: “May’s Saudi friends”
Yes. This is what we need to push to the max. We can still win.
This could finally defeat the Tories……………
“Saudi Arabia and the UK: More and more questions as election nears”
“Terror funding report: Calls grow for release of ‘sensitive’ Home Office document ‘pointing finger at Saudi Arabia'”
“The Saudi Hand in British Foreign Policy”
“Tories caught taking cash from the same regime that threatened the UK with ‘another 7/7’”
“Tory Amber Rudd accused of ‘shutting down’ rival questioning government arms deals with Saudi Arabia”
“Amber Rudd has been caught on film trying to censor a debate about the Tories and terrorism [VIDEO]”
“Boris Johnson left floundering after a journalist finally asks the question that could sink the Tories [VIDEO]”
“Ministers deny suppressing report on foreign funding of extremism”
(They are LYING. Why the fuck wasn’t it published last year when it should have been? Why have Amber Rudd and Theresa May been trying to suppress the whole issue? And how much has Philip May been paid by his Saudi contacts?)
In 1970 they introduced internement without trial for over 3000 mainly Catholic Nationalists, in Northern Ireland, the result was a war that went on till the signing of the Good Friday Agreement in 1998. The total focus on the short term is a feature of the Tories and the suggestion that she can tear up Human Rights is bogus as the UK is obliged as a member of the EU till 2019 to observe them. The UK if it does decide to unilaterally secede from the ECHR will mean that they are the only country with Belarus that does not recognize such rights. Another factor to consider is that the EU considers adherence to the ECHR as a factor in trade treaties.
And another:
“After London: The UK-Saudi Alliance on Trial”.
thanks Charles, yes, we are on the same path 🙂
The government of the Republic of Ireland also resorted to internment of IRA members on several occasions between Irish independence and the present.
Oh you know this Habby, my word. And who ran the IRA wing in that prison? networked and taught minor activists the ropes? under the advice of the Home secretary who ordered this kind of detention, off course? Who enabled this gathering in prison, gave them what they demanded and more?
And who negotiated peace?
My thoughts go out to Mo Mowlem, never to be forgotten, who visited these prisons and talked face to face, build a relationship and in the end negotiated peace.
Maybe, hopefully, I am being unduly pessimistic. But I suspect this Oomin Rights nonsense will play well for the Tories with casual voters in Labour marginals across the Midlands and North. Sadly I now think a Tory majority of 60-80 is on the cards, where yesterday morning I was tending towards believing in the possibility of a hung Parliament.
I would so love to be wrong on that. Oh well, we will know in 36 hours.
Hung Parliament? I’m looking at a Labour majority! Think back to 2015, over 15.8m people failed to turn out and vote, pre Corbyn. When Corbyn’s lead surged in his first leadership challenge, Cameron had a hissy fit! Since then Corbyn has gone from strength to strength, his only detractors are Tories and the Corporate driven media. 15.8m is a huge figure!
I hope you’re right – I put quite a hefty bet on a +50 majority after the dementia tax imbroglio at 6-1.
Of course it is, she will say this has been voted for. Under Investigative Power Bill, any member of the public who disagrees with Government policy is automatically assumed to be a ‘terrorist’! People should really listen to their language when they speak of what their intentions are.
Today, we got the most disgraceful crawling letter, which looked like it had been hand written with a pen. I reckon it was witten by a machine driving a pen. It made me even more determined to Vote Labour.
Iran’s Revolutionary Guard has within the past few hours blamed the Saudi regime for Wednesday’s two terrorist attacks in Tehran, carried out by the Saudi proxy group Daesh (ISIS).
A war against Iran could be imminent.
The Salafist Saudi regime’s influence must be exposed in as many countries as possible, including the US and Britain. In Britain it extends not only in certain parts of the foreign service but through 10 Downing Street itself, in the person of the prime minister’s husband, Philip May.
#TorySaudi
One more push and we can bring down this corrupt Tory government at the ballot box tomorrow.
Thank you Charles S, I agree with everything you say.
All the signs are there. United States exceptionalism fades before the glow of it’s hubris, what war with Iran, North Korea, China and Russia at the same time?
The real actors behind all of is are course the global extensions of this (old school journalism): http://johnpilger.com/videos/flying-the-flag-arming-the-world
Still no mention of the Mediterramnean Dialogue and Israel, and Trump and May being behind it.
Well if it’s diabetes then we have a type one diabetic running both the country and an election campaign.
If it’s mental health issues then why is she standing for parliament??
Nope, she’s been purged for being stupid and incompetent.