Lidl Terrorism 156

Everyone has seen the photo of the plastic bucket in the Lidl bag which contained the Parson’s Green bomb. The typically dubious Islamic State clam of responibility conjured amusing images of ISIS shopping at Lidl. The event was no joke however for the few people who were burnt, and the lesson yet again is that even the most amateur “terrorist” can kill or maim if they put their mind to it. Which is one reason why we should always be entirely sceptical of security service claims to be monitoring thousands of terrorists and foiling dozens of plots. Terrorism is physically easy – anyone who can wield a knife, drive a vehicle or put flammable liquid in a bucket can do it. Many entirely amateur terrorists manage to be a lot more deadly than these ones. In practice you cannot physically prevent all crime from occurring, without changing society completely by the most fundamental abolition of civil liberties. A certain low level “terrorist” risk we just have to live with. If we shun attacking other countries, we will obviously reduce that risk.

To create an effective blast, you need some sort of pressure vessel containing the explosive. There is no sign of this in the photos of the Parsons Green bomb and plainly there was no “blast” as such from the condition of the bucket. Some kind of fire event was rather created. If the police are arresting the right people, it is teenagers from social care backgrounds who did this. That is of a piece with what we know of so many recent attacks, where psychiatric health appears to be the cause of an interest in nihilist ideologies – as opposed to the other way round.

We are entering a phase where we can expect the deep unpopularity of the government to worsen. Real wages continue to fall, and that is going to continue. Despite this and the massive mountain of personal debt, the Bank of England seems determined to raise interest rates in the next few months, which will put an even larger squeeze on the living standards of the poor. In particular, an increase in interest rates will not just cause the struggling and overly indebted to have higher repayments, in the Tory buy to let economy it will feed directly into higher rents.

The government therefore needs an alternative narrative to distract the bulk of the population from their increasing penury. The Tory government will continue to use the Brexit negotiations, not to obtain the best outcome for the UK, but in order to manipulate events to highlight the issue of immigration and seek to further scapegoat immigrants as the cause of popular economic hardship. But they will also undoubtedly try to play up the “security” narrative. Expect more legislation to restrict civil liberties, and particularly expect amber Rudd to spearhead a coordinated media campaign to promote major censorship of the internet. That is the next major fight where we will have to stand up to the Tories.


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  • Bill Kruse

    If the BofE raises interest rates, it will leave banks with duff mortgages which cannot be serviced. They’ll be transparently insolvent then instead of opaquely as they are now, hiding as they do behind the mark-to-fantasy values the BofE allows them to get away with. I don’t think that’ll be happening somehow.

    • sentinel

      The recent rise in sterling suggests the market has now priced in an increase in UK rates, Bill. As well as owner-occupier mortgage payments rising while living standards are falling there is another risk: In two weeks, further rules for buy-to-let (“BTL”) investors come into effect. Individuals that own four or more BTL properties will have their entire property portfolio assessed for viability by a lender. Those unable to remortgage, say from introductory offers, will be transferred to the lender’s (higher) standard variable rate. The first sign of trouble will be lots more flats in London being put up for sale.

      • Pablo

        The whole purpose of Osbournes changes to ‘buy to let’ legislation and taxation changes is not to increase the number of suitable properties in the market or to facilitate the purchase of these properties by ‘first time buyers’. It is instead aimed to facilitate the buying up of these property portfolios by corporate investors and hedge funds. Thatcher thought that the sale of Local Authority homes under ‘right to buy’ would boost the Tory party’s voting base in the short term. The Tories now believe Joe Public will vote for them whatever and the plebs should just rent, and their supporters can charge whatever they want once a near monopoly position has been achieved. Welcome to Neo-Serfdom 2.0.

  • Tony_0pmoc

    Brilliant post. I have absolutely no reason or thought to want to be a terrorist, but if I was so inclined, after having my 100ml of tap water or expressed breast milk, removed in the check-in at the airport, I would go to the duty free, and buy a bottle of neary 100% Polish Vodka, and break the rules and have a smoke on the plane.

    Of course Islamic Terrorists can’t (or never have done this… yet) cos the concept, the sight of a bottle of nearly pure 100% alcohol, is even worse than the sight of a Lancashire Black Pudding (made with English pig’s blood)

    But they can apparently do underpants…

    “The Underwear Bomber – Crushing Freedom With Phony Arab Terrorism”


  • Merkin Scot

    No doubt the ‘bomber’ will fit into the usual pattern.
    He will have had close contact with someone who converted to Islam after leaving the army or the police.
    PS Craig, I didn’t see any mention of the Independence rally, in Glasgow, shown on the BBC.
    Perhaps all their reporters were to busy covering the crackdown in Spain?

    • nevermind

      We can only hope that all those injured in this terror event will get better soon.
      The person arrested could have been adopted or fostered, I expect the suspect is a Libyan or Syrian refugee who was fostered and or taken in as a refugee.
      But I could be wrong and Craig’s supposition that it is very likely that the person has had mental instability of sorts and hence choose a nihilistic path, could be more to the mark.

      His name has not been given, his understanding of making the device was crude and naive, clearly an amateur, otherwise the bucket would not exist anymore, burned to cinders.
      ‘Lidl did we know’, said the Chief Constable/ head of social service/immigration officer…..

    • Sharp Ears

      Reported on their website!

      Pro-independence rally held in Glasgow’s George Square
      16 September 2017
      Hope Over Fear rally Image
      Crowds gathered for a march then a rally in George Square

      Large crowds gathered in George Square in Glasgow for a pro-independence rally on Saturday.
      Organisers said the Hope Over Fear event was to remember the 2014 Scottish independence referendum.
      There were speeches and music from special guests.

      whereas The Scotsman say ‘1,500’.

      1,500 attend pro-independence rally in Glasgow
      Hundreds filled the streets of Glasgow for a pro-Scottish independance (sic) march Photo
      16 September 2017
      Independence supporters have held a rally almost three years on from Scotland’s referendum. Police Scotland estimated around 1,500 people attended the event in George Square Glasgow, the scene of a number of rallies on the eve of the 2014 vote

  • Tom

    Absolutely. The Tories can only govern by dividing the population, frightening them with terrorism, having their media propaganda machine destroy all opposition parties and operating an electoral system hands them decisive advantage.
    That’s why there were two major terrorist attacks during the election campaign.

  • Tom

    The government is having to raise interest rates not because of the ‘strength’ of the economy but to shore up the pound, whose value has collapsed during the Brexit disaster.
    Naturally, Mark Carney, Theresa May and her government of stooges are not allowed to admit as much, because it would upset their American controllers.

    • Ian Seed

      Your claim that “The government is having to raise interest rates not because of the ‘strength’ of the economy but to shore up the pound, whose value has collapsed during the Brexit disaster.” is

      manifestly untrue. For one they will not put rates up any time soon.

      Second, notice how Carney stood up on 24th June 2016 saying £250 billion was available to protect the banking industry.

      But not a penny to to defend the pound.

      Now why do you think that might be (if propping up the pound was so important, which you appear to think it is)?

      And why did they do £400 billion of QE?

      It’s because they WANTED a lower pound.

      And please note interest rates went DOWN not up after Brexit – contrary to the lie that your house price would fall, that rates would go up, that the stock market would crash and that Boris Johnson would be Prime minister.

      When are you going to realise that practically everything you’ve been told about the effects of Brexit on economy is a lie?

      My 5k offer at even money (see above) applies especially to you. If you’re feeling brave.

  • Adrian Newton

    If you want to see full propaganda at play, please feel free the check out this from the Smithsonian Youtube channel

    There are many things wrong with this………. BUT THE BEST IS:

    Do a Google search of images of WTC collapse. Some images clearly show that on one of the towers, the top FELL OVER/OFF AND THUS VERY CLEARLY, UNAMBINGOUSLY CONTRIBUTED JACK ALL TO THE SYMETRICAL CRUSHING THAT THIS VIDEO PURPORTS TO SHOW.

  • Ian Seed

    Rates going up. Yeah because 2 out of 9 voted on it and then Carney said …..some words

    How about I offer an even £5000 bet that they do NOT go up by December 2017 – with anyone ?

    PS – if they DO put up rates it is only because they are so racist.

  • CameronB Brodie

    There’s one thing I’m certain of, it wisnae me.

    Why do terrorists select the targets that they do? Why do terrorist organizations often eschew simple targets for symbolic ones? And, why in other circumstances, do terrorists avoid symbolism for easy targets? Current explanations only provide a partial account. This project argues that targeting choices are driven by two competing needs for terrorist organizations: public support and operational success. The relative importance of each of these factors then determines what type of target a terrorist organization is more likely to select, either civilian or non-civilian….

  • duplicitousdemocracy

    More people seem to have been injured by panicking commuters rather than the incendiary device. It was described as a firebomb shooting through the carriage yet the images of the bucket do not appear to support such an event. The worst injury i’ve seen is comparable to a cigarette lighter mishap. Fortunately(?), 24 million pounds have been given to anti terrorist agencies so we can all sleep easier tonight.

  • Paul Barbara

    Craig, have you heard or read about ‘Operation Gladio?
    ‘NATO’s Secret Armies. Operation GLADIO and the Strategy of Tension’:
    Here is an excellent 3-part BBC series about it:
    ‘Operation Gladio Full 1992 documentary BBC’:
    Remember, ‘all that glitters isn’t gold’ – ‘False Flag’ terrorism is not a ‘conspiracy theory’, but a ‘conspiracy fact.
    Gladio has been brought up in European national parliaments, as well as in the EU, but very little has been done, as the US was responsible. One or two low-level operatives went to jail, then a blanket of silence descended over the whole affair.
    But Gladio didn’t go away – Gladio 2, or Gladio B, is still alive and killing:
    ‘Gladio B: The Origins of NATO’s Secret Islamic Terrorist Proxies’:

    Why should you believe the government and MSM when they say these are Muslim ‘terrorist attacks’?
    Westminster Bridge, London Bridge, 7/7, ‘Ricin Plot’ that wasn’t, all have extremely dubious aspects to them.

  • Paul Taylor

    Dear Craig. I follow your site often and admire and respect your work. There are few who have the dedication and commitment. One thing
    that always perplexes, or perhaps frustrates me, is that there seems to have been what I would argue seems an absence of understanding of the two great horrors of our age; neo-liberal capitalism and the ‘War on Terror’. We can thank Naomi Klein for her timely work on the former, but on the latter, there’s a giant gulf left by the death of authentic journalism. But all that’s happening to both the UK, and many or most countries around the whole world, can be attributed to those two – I would call – strategies.

    We really are heading into ‘Children of Men’. Or of course any of the other dystopian nighmares, beginning with 1984. Britain is now about to be turned into a Medieval fuedal system under the ‘Henry VIII’ legal changes. But this has all been predictable, if one could have grasped those two realities early enough.

    The 1928-style economic meltdown we are in was foreseeable the moment Larry Summers and the neo-cons scrapped the 1930s economic protection laws, like the Glass-Steagall Act. The collapse came soon after. So did the bailouts. This is a virtual repeat of the early part of the last century, and we’re now seeing all the same phenomena being manifested.

    A lot of serious work has been done on the ‘terror’ illusion. This is not to reference the extreme ‘conspiracy theorist’ material, but the objective, solid research that some real journalists of the old school, admittedly depressingly few, have been forced to leave the mainstream media for and pursue, at great personal cost. It would be worth your while, I’d like to suggest, to consider some of the factual material that’s been unearthed. The major narratives around ‘terror’ have been largely taken apart. It’s taken a long time. But real journalism usually does. Best regards and the best of luck against the Mail.

    • Paul Barbara

      @ Paul Taylor September 17, 2017 at 19:20
      ‘…A lot of serious work has been done on the ‘terror’ illusion…’
      Not least regarding ‘Operation Gladio’ and ‘Gladio B’.

  • David Walters

    Terrorism has existed since the dawn of time. Almost every nation has conducted it. ‘Modern Terrorism’ as we have come to understand it has only existed since the mid 1970s. Before then there were no ‘Terrorism Experts’, no ’Terrorism Degree Course’ and no careers to be had based on the subject. My point being that labels are important and we should be aware of the definition of such terms and of their background in order to understand the problems in their context today.

    • Paul Barbara

      State Terrorism started before the mid 1970’s:

      ‘Shortly after WWII a Europe-wide network of secret armies was organised under the aegis of NATO, tasked with providing military and intelligence resistance in the event of a feared Soviet invasion. Modelled on the resistance movements of the war years, many of these “stay behind” units remained faithful to their original mandate. But by the early 1960s – under the pressures of anti-communist politicking and flirtations with the Far Right – some of these groups began to morph into something more sinister, linking up with extreme right-wingers who carried out acts of false-flag terrorism, harassment of left-wing parties and coups d’état.

      But was this morphing simply an unforseen consequence of the unaccountability and instability of the network itself? Or was it, at least in part, engineered by the very Anglo-American establishment which gave birth to the project in the first place? And to what extent, therefore, can such acts of terror be seen as manifestations of ‘the strategy of tension’, carried out by the State against its own citizens for the purposes of control at home and geopolitical gain abroad?…….’

  • Ba'al Zevul

    To create an effective blast, you need some sort of pressure vessel containing the explosive.
    Not so.
    There is no sign of this in the photos of the Parsons Green bomb and plainly there was no “blast” as such from the condition of the bucket. Some kind of fire event was rather created.
    But evidence as to whether an incendiary or explosive effect was intended is not currently available. There are several reasons why an ad-hoc intended explosive can instead deflagrate or fail completely. The media are suggesting TATP, which fits the bill perfectly.

    If the police are arresting the right people, it is teenagers from social care backgrounds who did this. That is of a piece with what we know of so many recent attacks, where psychiatric health appears to be the cause of an interest in nihilist ideologies – as opposed to the other way round.

    Wouldn’t you say the interest was mutual: that nihilist ideologues find it easy to recruit the unbalanced?

      • Ba'al Zevul

        I wouldn’t stick TATP anywhere. But it doesn’t need confinement to go bang. I’m not about to issue any more hints than the media have already released which might let the bastards improve the design, either.

  • Anon1

    “The event was no joke however for the few people who were burnt”

    No it wasn’t, despite your obvious attempts to downplay it. The likely explosive used was the same one used by Salman Abedi. If the bomber had got it right it would have killed everyone in the carriage.

  • Sharp Ears

    Would there be any terrorism if we had not killed so many people with brown skins in other countries?

    We are still supplying and selling weapons – eg to Saudi Arabia to kill the Yemeni people.

  • giyane

    Imagine a vast army of UK teenagers had been forced by police crack-downs and political unrest to leave the UK and migrate to Iraq. They have few transferable skills or education and no Arabic. Some of them are going to co-agulate into groups of their own nationality and find low-level work, while others are going to be easy prey to government agents who speak English. They don’t have to have nihilistic tendencies or mental health issues. All it takes is a feeling of isolation on the child’s part and a political agenda on the agent’s part and you create a terrorist. Even if they got the mixture wrong, used a bucket and Lidls bag and imagined that, like Iraq, crossing a border into a neighbouring country would be enough to make the hounds lose the scent.

  • Sharp Ears

    The police impounded a car outside my place this afternoon. The driver, a rather bewildered middle aged man who was not insured apparently, was living in the car with his dog.

    The old car, a small black saloon with a ’56’ suffix in its registration plate, was taken away by a recovery firm who take away 4 or 5 such vehicles each week I was told by the recovery driver who seemed to be a decent man doing a horrible job.

    The driver will be given 6 points on his licence and a fine of several hundred £s, which by the look of his circumstances, he will be unable to pay.

    The dog was more agitated than the man when the car was taken off. Their home. It was pitiful to see the man sitting on the verge on an old bit of dog blanket waiting for a friend was coming for them. I made a drink and a bite to eat for the man but the dog did not want either water or a biscuit.

    Broken Britain. Tell Theresa.

  • Clive Burgess

    I know exactly how you feel in relation to funding and empathise with your relationship to principal and money.
    So far our project ‘towards a theory of Social Reality’ has cost me two marriages and in excess of £258000 .
    However, this is part of the cost we have had to pay not to be influenced by others.
    Keep up your good work,

  • Sharp Ears

    On BBC Two now.


    in a tiny building for half a decade, Julian Assange, the founder of Wikileaks, is undeterred even as the legal jeopardy he faces threatens to undermine the organisation he leads and fracture the movement he inspired.

    Filmed over six years, this story is captured with unprecedented access by Laura Poitras, the Academy Award-winning director of Citizenfour, who finds herself caught between the motives and contradictions of Assange and his inner circle.

    In a new world order where a single keystroke can alter history, Risk is a portrait of power, betrayal, truth and sacrifice.

    On the link, you can watch it from the start which was @ 22.05
    1hr 30mins

    • Shatnersrug

      Where are you Sharp ears, this was how they gentrified Islington 20 years ago, carting off untaxed cars, previous to that they sat and rusted for years, people lived in them, and no one seemed to care. I didn’t mind it myself, only because I knew the day they cleared it up would be the day that our kind were no longer wanted.

      I wish regeneration meant making the place nicer for the locals, but it doesn’t, it means tarting it up for a new richer set of residents. When you know you can get a full council grant to turn your shop front into a retro Victorian hipster renovation, but if you’re a council tenant they have no money to actually finish sealing the PVC windows so wind blows through your flat all winter. When they can build a 50 million pound gym but can’t replace your oven, you know that a gross project of social and financial engineering is going on your local area. The net result of this has been to see large “luxury” apartment complexes spring up on the grounds of wearhouse and council house land, most of it sits empty with the curtains drawn, most could be CPed and returned to LA housing. What’s happened in this city is a crime against human habitat and it’s deliberate.

  • Paul Barbara

    Does this picture look like a ‘fireball’ erupted?

    There are no soot or burn marks on the white and grey parts of the train in close proximity.
    We are ‘told’ people were injured; one guy has a bit of singeing of his hair (the picture carefully avoiding showing his face); a lady has a bandage wrapped from the top of her head to under her chin, and is smiling – rather strange – one would think she would be traumatised by her close brush with death.

    • giyane

      The body-politic of the UK , including rather remarkably the former Home Secretary, has the strange ability to regard its ugly big-toenails as belonging to someone else.

        • MJ

          The article omits one of the main indicators: the alleged perpetrators scatter their passports and other ID around the crime scene, making a proper investigation unnecessary.

          • Silvio

            The article omits one of the main indicators: the alleged perpetrators scatter their passports and other ID around the crime scene, making a proper investigation unnecessary.

            Case in point:
            The passport of 9/11 hijacker Satam Al Suqami is reportedly found a few blocks from the World Trade Center. [ABC News, 9/12/2001; Associated Press, 9/16/2001; ABC News, 9/16/2001] Barry Mawn, the director of the FBI’s New York office, will say that police and the FBI found it during a “grid search” of the area. [CNN, 9/18/2001] However, according to the 9/11 Commission, the passport is actually discovered by a male passer-by who is about 30 years old and wearing a business suit. The man gives it to New York City Police Department Detective Yuk H. Chin shortly before 9:59 a.m., when the South Tower of the WTC collapses. The man leaves before he is identified. Chin, according to the 9/11 Commission, will give the passport to the FBI later in the day. [9/11 Commission, 1/26/2004; 9/11 Commission, 8/21/2004, pp. 40 ] An FBI timeline concerned with the 9/11 hijackers will state that the passport is found by a civilian “on the street near [the] World Trade Center,” and is “soaked in jet fuel.” [Federal Bureau of Investigation, 10/2001, pp. 291 ] According to FBI agent Dan Coleman, Al Suqami’s passport is handed to a New York City detective who is “down there, trying to talk to people as they were coming out of the buildings.” By the time the detective looks up again after receiving the passport, the man who handed it to him has run off, “which doesn’t make sense,” Coleman will say.


    • Shatnersrug

      Well Walter all I can say is the Police and Transport for London massively underestimated the Arsenal Vs FC Kolne friendly in Highbury, we ended up with 15000 unpoliced drunk Germans causing a huge kerfuffle. The police and TFL were in for a right bashing over it over safety and policing concerns in the early papers. Such a drastic fuck up it was. Then a crap bomb went off and everyone forgot about it. Very convenient I must say.

  • Amanda Susan Adlem

    ‘In practice you cannot physically *prevent all crime* from occurring, without changing society completely by the most fundamental abolition of civil liberties.’

    Even under the most draconian and arbitrary rule crime exists, and corruption & terrorism particularly flourishes. You know that already. Just a quibble use of language probably. Beware of the ‘All’ statements. lol

  • Amanda Susan Adlem

    Whether as genuine blowback, hatred of the West or ‘three-letter’ conflict creation, it does provide a suitable distraction to more existentially threatening scenarios of man’s devising. Often I hear of a terrorist outrage and think of it as a magician misdirecting the audiences attention. As well as creating the instability for security measures & weapon sales, and the dependence and disunity this places on those countries across the regions which have the lion’s share of it, terrorism subverts climate change as the #1 impact on human civilisation. While terrorism and nuclear war hysteria though are good for sales, climate change is not. Where the profits are there also will be the editorials , column inches and soundbites.

    • Paul Barbara

      @ Amanda Susan Adlem September 18, 2017 at 00:57
      ‘…Often I hear of a terrorist outrage and think of it as a magician misdirecting the audiences attention. As well as creating the instability for security measures & weapon sales, and the dependence and disunity this places on those countries across the regions which have the lion’s share of it,….’
      Not so much a magician as a traitor to the country and the people.
      It has been called (in Italy) the ‘Strategy of Tension’ (see ‘Operation Gladio’). Whereas Gladio before was used to discredit the Communists (NATO thugs would massacre people, and it was blamed on ‘the Reds’, now in Gladio B it is blamed on the Muslims).
      ‘Terrorists were known to police’ could be interpreted as ‘Terrorists were paid and controlled by police’ (generally through an intermediary agent who entices the required action).

  • Frances Politikay

    A certain low level “terrorist” risk we just havA certain low level “terrorist” risk we just have to live with. If we shun attacking other countries, we will obviously reduce that [email protected]

    You use this sentence to conclude that we need less not more regulations on our civil liberties. I ask myself how do you perceive a ruler such as Vladimir Putin who put the press and the internet in a stranglehold. As an advocate for fundamental rights, i have to say that i am quite reticent to agree with this political stance, but what do you make of a country such as the US where press has been invaded by ‘ corporate media’ in what is supposed to be the free market of ideas? And where people end up being inundated, suffocated and drowning under a vast array of false information and brainwashing? Do you really believe that Adam Smith was right when he formulated his theory about the ‘invisible hand of the free market? In the end, this is serving well institutions such as Wikileaks, but is it serving the american people?

  • Sharp Ears

    Theresa really likes jumping on planes. She is visiting her mate Justin in Canada.

    Theresa May visits Canada for post-Brexit trade talks

    A thought has occurred. The build up to P Harry’s initiative, the Invictus Games, has started. They are being held in Toronto starting next weekend. Will she have a photo op meeting the UK team?

    Last night the BBC broadcast an hour long maudlin tribute to the many who lost their limbs in Afghanistan.

    ‘BBC One continues its commitment to the Invictus Games with more coverage on the channel than ever before, a presenter line-up of all Paralympic and/or Invictus Games Sport experts, and a 1×60 documentary which shines a light on four of the Invictus Games Toronto 2017 competitors from the UK Armed Forces Team.

    The Invictus Games Toronto 2017 programming is made by BBC Studios and begins on BBC One on Sunday 17 September with a 1×60 documentary Invictus: Battle To The Start Line, narrated by actress Carmen Ejogo (Selma). Coverage of the games themselves are on BBC One every evening from Sunday 24 September – Sunday 1 October 2017.’

    An extra buzz for the media is being provided. Meghan Markle will appear with our hero who did ‘bad things to bad people’. Remember?

    • Habbabkuk

      Didn’t all the Good Lefties go into mini-orgasms when Justin Trudeau became PM?

      And now he’s a “mate” of Mrs May’s…….

      False gods and all that?

      • Deepgreenpuddock

        I think that is a category error.
        It was lots of liberally minded young ladies who were mostly tickled by Mr. Trudeau’s ascent. Equating leftiness with young ladies may not be quite accurate, although I dare say there is an overlap.

    • Paul Barbara

      @ Sharp Ears September 18, 2017 at 06:01
      ‘Theresa really likes jumping on planes…’
      My, what a gutsy woman – shes not going to be put off by Shoebombers or Underpants Bombers or hijackers.
      Or perhaps she know something we don’t?
      Maybe she has a ‘Safe Conduct Pass’ from Al-CIA-dah.

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