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  • John Spencer-Davis

    A critique of the conviction of General Ratko Mladic, by Christopher Black, a Canadian lawyer and expert in the law of human rights and war crimes. Mr Black may be thought to be partisan, as he has acted for the defence (and, perhaps, against the interests of NATO, as he sees it) in Rwanda and was a fierce critic of the trial of Slobodan Milosevic. Nonetheless, he must be a brave man and indifferent to consensus opinion, to speak up publicly for Mladic under present circumstances. J


    • giyane

      Thanks John for a fascinating insight into NATO historical revisionism.
      No doubt this trial will be used as a precedent for the NATO trial of the supporters of Syria’s Assad.
      The difference between the two would be that mobiles and computers were extremely primitive at that time so the NATO narrative supporting Al Qaida terrorism against Soviet military force was little understood.

      The penny only dropped for most people when the US and UK openly backed Al Qaida terror in Aleppo in the Syrian war. Since then we have been able to understand how the West uses terror against civilians in foreign countries to achieve its colonial ambitions. As a result NATO has unnecessarily incurred the ire of Russia and China. Turkey has already switched sides from the US to Russia. Others will follow because state-backed terror has no place in the souls of mankind.

      • SA

        Turkey supported the terror and probably still supports it now but in a more subtle and less overt way, in Syria.

        Turkey’s Erdogan has played and probably is still playing a double game. It was only when he realised that the US were trying to get rid of him through the failed coup that he switched sides. There is obviously a lot of secret diplomacy going on behind the scenes fascilitated by Putin, the master tactician, who has managed to put a stop and expose a lot of this hypocritical support of terrorism by the coalition of the willing.
        It is of course important for the west to maintain this facade of selectively backing international justice, but I doubt there will be an equivalent war crimes tribunal for Syria.

        • giyane

          Turkey is Terror. Always has been. The difference between Trump and Putin is that Trump calls Islamist poison freshly squeezed fruit and serves it for breakfast, while Putin calls it ricin and keeps it in a sealed jar.

    • SA

      I always feel somewhat uneasy about the official version of the Balkan wars. No doubt atrocities were commuted by both sides but the amazing fact that is seldom highlighted is that NATO took one side, even at one stage bombing civilian infrastructure deliberately but this apparently is not a ‘war crime’.
      A while ago I read s very interesting book by Misha Glenny who witnessed the war firsthand and who was a correspondent for the Guardian and I also think the BBC, called The End of Yougoslavia which also implicated the German government and the EU in stoking up the tensions and the particular interest of Germany in separating Croatia and Slovenia from the rest and in particular the polarisation of the conflict between the pro Russian Serbs and the pro western Croats and Slovenes. Of course in those days, Russia could only stand by and not able to intervene, under Yeltsin. This whole episode has formed a basis for the Ukrainian action which was enacted through a putsch rather than NATO bombing.
      Another interesting bit of information especially about Kosovo is the collaboration between the west and the Albanians and the KLA on the Kosovo war.

      • Salford Lad

        The Syrian regime change war was supposed to be a reprise of the other Arab Springs ,especially Libya. The method used is well known as Hybrid Warfare.
        Western financed NGO’s are used to create civil unrest. Provocateurs are used to attack police and use snipers to kill demonstrators. The unrest is then blamed on the Govt to escalate the violence. The propaganda machine goes in overdrive to support a ‘so called popular peoples uprising for human rights and democracy’. Ukraine and Libya are classic examples of this MO.
        The regime change war in SYRIA used Western and Gulf Monarchy backed Jihadis to attempt to overthrow Assad,
        These Jihadis had sprung from the original war in Afghanistan and created by the CIA and had been used in Kosova, Chechnya, Dagestan and Libya. The remnants of Saddams unemployed and disaffected Sunni army,imprisoned in Camp Bucca were added to the mix of ISIS.
        The Libyan Jihadis were transferred to Syria ,plus the looted weapons and looted bullion and money from the Libyan Treasury. This is what the death of the US Ambassador Stevens in Benghazi was about.
        The coalition of Western and Gulf Monarchies had different agendas ,which coalesced in the overthrow of Assad.
        Israel had her Oded Yinon Plan to create chaos and break up Syria ,to grab more land mass.It also wanted to break the Shia Crescent landline from Iran,via Iraq and Syria to Hezbollah in Lebanon.
        Turkey had ambitions to reclaim some of the old Ottoman Empire lands as far as Mosul and control the oilfield along the route,plus subdue its rebellious Kurds and prevent the creation of a Kurdistan state straddling Turkey and Syrian borders. Erdogan now allies with Russia but is fluid in his alliances.
        The Gulf Monarchies Saudi and Qatar wished to install a gas pipeline via Syria to the Meditteranean Coast and onward to Europe.
        The gas line would have undermined Russian near monopoly of supply and damaged the Russian economy, , in line with Washingtons long term plan to undermine and loot Russia.
        The UK and France and other NATO puppets ,do Washingtons bidding and also wished to reduce their dependence on Russian gas.
        The US has a long term plan,outlined in Zbigniew Brezinzki ‘Grand Chessboard’ and Sir Halford Mackendrie ‘ Heartlands Theory’ to drive up into Central Asia and cut and control the New Silk Roads connecting China to Europe, thus maintaining Dollar hegemony.
        The Silk Road High speed train trading routes are the death knell of the US hegemony and by-pass the US Navy control of the Maritime choke points.
        Syria,and Iran are obstacles in way of this Washington plan for Central Asia. Ukraine is another on the European route.
        The defeat of the US and Western plans in Syria is a major turning point in history and the beginning of the decline of the West and the resurgence of the East. Only nuclear war can end this transition.

        • fredi

          Indeed S.L., a well thought out appraisal of where we find ourselves. The ‘Grand Chessboard’ and’ the Great Game’ before it are the enduring manifestations of a corrupt greed driven power that feeds off stolen money and innocent blood.
          Trump just made things a little worse this week by recognising Jerusalem as the the apartheid capital of the middle east, how this will hurt Iran remains to be seen.
          The way I see it the West has been in decline for many years, while the East has been rising, What we are seeing increasingly since post 2000 are the more desperate and more bloody attempts to avert the inevitable.The narrative they use to sell their
          appalling agenda becomes more laughably pathetic with each passing year, what amazes me most is the fact they still seem to be getting away with it.

        • giyane

          ” Hybrid Warfare ”

          Mongrel more like. BTW thanks for your concise summary of where we now are.
          A hybrid car uses a fossil fuel ( bad ) in combination with a renewable ( good ).
          A hybrid war uses an evil empire ( USA ) with Islamist terror ( IS/ Al Qaida.
          If it was a vehicle it would have been banned long ago , for emmissions, inefficiency, noise and ” unsafe at any speed ” technology. The attraction of Neanderthal war to USUKIS is that nukes might permanently destroy the perpetrators themselves. But we should make no mistake that Theresa May and Boris Johnson and the 6.5 Tory Nasty project specialises in Neanderthal war.

          The political slogan ‘hybrid war’ reminds us of Greenness and God’s providence. I was utterly disgusted by BBC Radio 4 crocodile tears for the refugees created by this government’s own policies this morning. on the Today programme. FFS BBC, spare us the fucking crocodile tears.
          And this was scarcely odd, because, they’d eaten every one…

  • giyane

    What is that Nasty little man I D-F doing interfering with Brexit?.
    Everything he touches, withers and dies. I know Craig has mentioned his respect for the nasty little man because he isn’t a toff in the past, and because he is an Army Officer. I can’t help Craig’s particular chips on shoulder about the public school, un-educated, un-educatable Tory swine but I can ask the question whether in 37 years of continuous red/blue Tory rule the UK has done anything we can be proud of. And what possible admiration can rub off the UK’s disgusting foreign policy onto one of its bonkers officers?

    • Macky

      ” I know Craig has mentioned his respect for the nasty little man because he isn’t a toff in the past, and because he is an Army Officer.”

      You’ve just reminded me of the time Craig devoted a Post on what a golly nice chap Gordon Brown is; yes the War Criminal whose’s green-light to fiance the attack on Iraq enabled Blair to get his war, not to mention his unrepentant whitewashing of Blair at the Chilcot Inquiry.

    • Sharp Ears

      Did you mean I D-S Giyane? This?

      Iain Duncan Smith: EU needs to ‘back off’ or ‘move on’
      BBC News-16 hours ago
      The former Conservative leader Iain Duncan Smith has suggested the UK should walk away from the Brexit negotiations if the European Union does not change its position. Speaking to the BBC’s political editor Laura Kuenssberg, Mr Duncan Smith said the EU needed to “back off” or the UK will “get on with …

  • Republicofscotland

    Theresa May enteratained the Spanish Premier Rajoy, in which the British PM reaffirmed her support for him.

    Rajoy, who recently sent his Guardia Civil police into Catalonia, with a remit to beat, shoot and teargas the young and old who’s crime was one of exercising their democratic right to vote.

    The British PM’s good friend then went on to bestow two separate honours on his 10,000 armoured police. Rajoy had the audacity to whilst visiting May at Downing street, say:

    “That, without democracy, we would simply be going back to the dark ages.”

    It’s obvious that the British prime minster, doesn’t really care that Spaniards are now openly giving fascist salutes on the streets of Spain, and singing the fascist anthem Cara al Sol.

  • Republicofscotland

    As Trump transition team’s pretty brazen collusion with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to undermine both U.S. government policy and international law, it’s now time for payback, in the form of the recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

    You could say Trump has been colluding with a foreign state, and it’s not Russian.

    Meanwhile, rumblings from Cairo and Istanbul, on Trump’s coming declaration, aren’t good.

    As Trump prepares to push the all out conflict button in the ME, at home he’s thrown his full suport behinda Republican US Senate candidate, Roy Moore, who faces allegations of child sex abuse.

      • Habbabkuk

        I suppose the above is meant to be humorous and refer in some way or another to Scottish independence Perhaps a few facts would not go amiss to show that the implied comparison is silly:

        Finland was forcibly incorporated into the Russian Empire in 1809 and was therefore only part of that Empire for less than a century. Scotland, on the other hand, joined in Union with England and Wales in 1707, ie over three centuries ago. A volontary Union, by the way.

        But more importantly, the vast majority of Finns wanted independence from Russia in 1917. That contrasts with the position of Scotland, the population of which – if I’ve been correctly informed – rejected independence by a comfortable majority in a referendum some short while ago.

        • JOML

          Habbabkuk, if you’re a stickler for facts, you should know that Wales wasn’t part of the 1707 union, but was included in a later Act that also included Berwick. Best accept obvious sarcasm / humour rather than be dour…

        • Bennyboy 72

          But before 1809 they were part of the Swedish empire for approx 200 years; even though Swedish is an official language the majority of Finns don’t seem to like their “arrogant” neighbor – IMHO!

    • glenn_nl

      RoS: “As Trump prepares to push the all out conflict button in the ME, at home he’s thrown his full suport behinda Republican US Senate candidate, Roy Moore, who faces allegations of child sex abuse.

      Entirely agree. But then again, Hillary! Hiiiillllaaarryyy!! Emails, emails, emails, Benghazi! Bhooga bhooga … she’s the devil! Would definitely have started a war by now. “We came, we saw, he died!” !!! Couldn’t vote for her, nooooo…. oh, my precious purity.

      And now we have this nice man Trump in instead. Hope all the purists are happy.

      • MJ

        Agree. Trump is what you get when the second worst candidate ever takes on the worst candidate ever. If only Clinton had been unsuccessful in meddling in the election process: we’d have President Sanders now.

        • Trowbridge H. Ford

          It’s a total cop-out. Sanders had little better chnace of being elected POTUS than i did.

          Almost all Americans hate anyone who snacks of being a socialisi.

          Trump is far worse than the hated Hillary.

          • Republicofscotland


            I fear you are correct, I sometime quote Robert Reich who served in the Carter and Clinton administrations. Reich pushed fkr more socialist like policies

          • Republicofscotland


            I fear you are correct, I sometime quote Robert Reich who served in the Carter and Clinton administrations. Reich pushed for more socialist like policies, but in the end realised that the political will just wasn’t there to implement them.

          • Trowbridge H. Ford

            Thanks, Ros.

            Most Americans almost hated Hillary as much as socialism.

            Of all the people I know, many with advanced degrees and fairly sensible ones. none of them voted for her, wating their ballots by voting for Jill Stein or even Trump.

            Think it is more relevant to expian his election than going on about the Evangelicals in the Bible Belt.

          • glenn_nl

            Hillary got substantially more votes than Sanders, we simply have to get over that. Even if the DNC had its thumb on the scales, Sanders didn’t actually start running properly until the contest was almost sealed. He had no real base to launch a successful challenge at the last minute.

            But that’s all by-the-by. Too many purists suffering from Clinton Derangement Syndrome put Trump in office, and they – and their apologists – now own Trump and should answer for the result.

          • nevermind

            Thanks for the excellent link to medialens analysis, Clark, tipping point has been reached and we are still chasing a few morsels of fossil energy by using millions of gallons of fresh clean water, mixing it with large size quartz sand from Norfolk and unctuous dangerous chemicals to fracture the hell out of Ryedale and many other areas earmarked for shale gas extraction.

            This despite the fact that this shale is very likely too old to contain much gas and against the combined voices of those who’s house prices are already nose diving.

            Still there are minions and puppets who still believe the mantra of the fossil fuel industry and argues for more of the same.

          • giyane

            Trump is a woman and Hillary is a man, judging them both by their hair from across the Atlantic Ocean. It will now be easier to hit the Knesset and the enemy embassy with one small bomb.

          • giyane

            Replying to Nevermind on fracking, garbage in, garbage out, like all Tory thinking.
            Successful Tories become businessmen; unsuccessful ones invent scams. There is a lowest common denominator point at which stupidity rises to the surface as Tory policy, wasting millions of hours of our clear, intellectual cogitation.

          • James Dickenson

            Why H.R.C. ‘lost’?
            “And it’s deadly. Doubtless, Crosscheck delivered Michigan to Trump who supposedly “won” the state by 10,700 votes. The Secretary of State’s office proudly told me that they were “very aggressive” in removing listed voters before the 2016 election. Kobach, who created the lists for his fellow GOP officials, tagged a whopping 417,147 in Michigan as potential double voters.”

      • Republicofscotland


        In my opinion there is no lesser evil between Trump and Clinton, both have aggressive foreign policies.

        Hillary backed every single US foreign intervention for the last 25 years. Trump will be just as much a warmonger.

          • Republicofscotland


            You appear to have grasped the wrong end of the stick, if you think I’m defending Trump over Clinton, I thought my above comment made that perfectly clear.

            Neither are the preferred POTUS, in my book, both are neocon warmongerers, both Israeli puppets.

            If however you’re proposing that Clinton has a bit more evenhandedness about her than Trump, then I’m afraid you’re barking up the wrong tree with me.

          • giyane

            glenn underscore nl is using irony in imitation of the POTUS. Viz: You select the worst possible policy and wait for the headless chickens to calm down. Then you declare that the US doesn’t need a US embassy in Israel because your head is already far enough up them to reach their brain.

          • SA

            Haven’t read the article but if you look at the headings you will realise that actually of the 14 so called defining characteristics of fascism only no. 1,5,8 and 11 apply to Trump more than to Clinton. But then when you look at these 4 they are not unique to Trump but are common to a lot of how US politics work. In fact American exceptionalism and religious extremism are both common recurring themes.
            It always makes me mildly amused to think that intelligent people still believe that individual presidents determine US foreign military policy. This is predermined elsewhere. I remember clearly how the hope of all peacemakers had great faith in Obama the Nobel laureate who then presided iver new wars and droning of weddings.
            It’s the system not individuals.

          • K Crosby

            Clinton is the same evil as those bloody bastards Obama, bUShA, Clinton, Bush, Reagan et al. that’s why the Americans who were allowed to vote got rid of her. It was the same in 2010 here, getting the filthy bastard Bliarites out was more important than anything else.

          • Stu

            Glenn the majority of those traits also fit Obama and G.W Bush.

            The supremacy of corporations and the military in the USA is nothing new.

  • Sharp Ears

    Where is Ben? California is still burning. No rain for 6 months, high winds and it’s hot.

    I have just mowed the grass. 6th December!

  • Republicofscotland

    David Davis, has been called to resign over lies about the Brexit impact assessments.

    The Brexit Secretary was today forced to admit that the government has not assessed the impact of Brexit, for different sections of economy to the EU select committee.

    Yet Davis claimed last year that, 57 sets of analysis, each has implications for individual parts of 85 per cent of the economy, were in the process of being carried out, now we find out that’s not true.

    It now becomes apparent why recent impact reports were heavily redacted. It also shows the sheer incompetence of the British government, as they stumble and faulter, as the economy of the nation begins to recede.

    A new years around the corner, and a new indyref me thinks.

    • reel guid


      Davis is like someone who has been given a grant to do some extensive work of some kind and who keeps stringing his backers along that he’s making great progress. Only in the end for the backers to find that virtually nothing has been done and the guy was just a waster.

      • Republicofscotland

        Yes reel guid, the British government are in a state of organised confusion. Like the rest of the British government Davis is way out of his depth and he knows it, he’s threatened to resign if Damien Green is fired or resigns, that’s Davis’s escape route.

        Westminster must surely be the laughing stock of Europe.

        • giyane

          hang on. What has Damian Green done wrong? Outside Islam there is no social constraint on a wife committing adultery, so in a marriage lived apart a busy politician could either take a mistress or browse porn. Is he not allowed to be a human being? If he was an angel maybe Mrs May could use his Wingpower and predilection for SW1 to assist in the repairs to Big Ben.

          • zoot

            if he was found to have been browsing porn on a company computer in any other workplace, he’d be gone .. not even a debate. of course different rules apply for big shot tories.

          • giyane


            MPs are held in greater respect than ordinary citizens in other ways as well.
            We would not want our MPs to be easily removed by voyeur policemen.

            Secondly, the voyeurs/spies/ nosey parkers in big corporations would never admit to spying because doing that would expose their vulnerability, criminality and deceit.
            The police can only dare to expose an MP because they know he is protected because of his position. The MP can only dare to deny his looking at porn because he knows he is protected because of his position.

            This highlights an extremely important aspect of our democracy, that we the public are free to denigrate our professional leaders to our hearts’ content. it’s called freedom. Without it no CM blog, zoots or giyanes. One of the things that incapacitates Middle-Eastern despots and imams with rage is that our system allows their lies to be exposed and they cannot lock up and beat the s**t out of the entire western population.

            What therefore follows IMHO is that if you were to combine the truth of Islam, that God created and looks after our world and the next alone, with the truth of democratic freedom, then you would have an unstoppable force, like an atomic fusion. the Al Qaida tin=pot imams and the gold-plated-roller family of Saud cower in shame and guilty consciences at being exposed for their personal crimes, public lies and their public war-crimes.

    • SA

      I sympathise with what you say and I hesitate to disagree with you on this website on Scottish indipendence, but I am not sure how this will solve any problems. The new Republic of Scotland would become an easy prey to the depredations of the EU who will demand conditions for regoining and who it transpires, as Craig has pointed out, is made up of some unsavoury elements.
      As I pointed out elsewhere tinkering here and there is not the issue, it is the system that has to be changed. Personally I would want to see The Republic of Great Britain or even better the Federation of the Republics of England, Scotland and Wales. I am still not sure where NI will fit into this.

  • Peter Beswick

    Tomorrows breaking news?

    President Putin is set to announce that Russia is to establish their Palestinian embassy in Jerusalem.

    Xi Jinping of China says it is irrelevant in today’s modern world where a country places its overseas buildings. He added that China now controls the PetroYuan and is becoming the world’s greatest economic power they have more to worry about than local squabbles fabricated by the US.


    What the Middle East needs is a UN that cares about them, whilst it is dedicated to allowing US crimes the Middle East will burn, It doesn’t matter whose embassy is where (except of course to the US and Israel because they only care about their own needs – fuck the rest of the world)

  • reel guid

    SNP MSP Gordon Macdonald has said that the BBC’s Reporting Scotland programme is fake news.

    Actually he’s only half right. Half the show features real news…………………the trouble is it’s about football.

  • Sharp Ears

    The blond property developer should stick to the one he has already.

    Wired up to the nines seemingly. All to protect that little ‘democracy’.

    Ambassador Friedman is happy where he is.
    ‘David Melech Friedman (born August 8, 1958) is an American bankruptcy lawyer and the United States Ambassador to Israel. He joined the law firm Kasowitz, Benson, Torres & Friedman (then known as Kasowitz, Hoff, Benson & Torres) in 1994, where he met and represented Donald Trump, then chairman and president of The Trump Organization. He served as an advisor to Trump during his successful presidential campaign.’
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_M._Friedman LOL

    Mr Quarrey, ex BLiar PPS, is along the street from the US Embassy.

  • Republicofscotland

    So Putin is to run again in next years “election” jeez they should just give him a crown and say here you go the country’s all yours.

    Putin has been in power in Russia in one form or another since 1999. Unsurprisnly the Wests continuing demonisation of Russia and Putin, has seen Putin’s approval rating remain in the high 80’s. So in essence one could say Putin’s popularity is down to Western propaganda.

    The elections are to be held in March, the anniversary of Crimea’s reunification with Russia. I don’t holdout much hope for the opposition winning.

    • nevermind

      Probably going to coincide with the opening of a new bridge directly into Russia, and a water pipeline supplying the Crimea which was cut off water by the Ukraine.
      We shall see if this project is ready in time.

  • Tony_0pmoc

    President Sanders might have been a slight improvement on Clinton, but is hardly likely to have made any significant difference in US Foreign Policy, except perhaps not starting a Nuclear WWIII, which Clinton almost certainly would.

    Both are much more Deep State / Establishemt than Trump, which is why they are heavily supported by all the media propaganda, and Trump is continuously attacked.

    Sanders is an American Bomber like the rest of them. He just doesn’t sing “Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran” quite as loud as some of the lunatics on both sides (which in reality are the same)

    “Bernie Sanders’ Troubling History of Supporting U.S. Military Violence Abroad”


    Trump is undoubtedly an odd-ball as he stands out like a sore thumb, amongst the rest of the psychos in the assylum, all of who’m hate him.

    The folowing is probably as close to the truth as you will get, but hardly anyone is going to believe it due to the intense propaganda.

    “The FBI’s Perjury Trap Of The Century”



  • Clark

    A slow news day? Trump announces that the US will accept Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and the BBC schedules “Jihadis You Pay For” for tonight’s Panorama

    • Tony_0pmoc


      I hope you are well. I don’t actually watch TV, unless I can’t avoid it – like next week (family visit) I gave it up many years ago, to try and maintain at least some semblance of sanity, and objectivity amidst a world of propaganda, and the vast majority of people who actually believe it – including my wife. I couldn’t possibly tell her the truth. She is innocent and the truth, would lilkely make her very depressed. So she believes much the same as you and most people.

      The world really is as completely evil, as I am convinced it is, yet I find the vast majority of people I meet very pleasant. I just try my best not to to discuss politics, religion, conspiracy theories, or anything that might be contrary to what the vast majority of people in my social group believe. Amazingly enough, I still manage to speak, most of the time without being offensive, though my wife usually tells me off, for something she perceives that I have done wrong. I don’t see how its my fault, that some of my friends sit on my lap and cuddle me, even if most of them are female. I also have a habit of dancing with blokes, especially if I know they are not gay, but give all the impressions of being so. I just find it funny.

      As regards “Jihadis You Pay For” for tonight’s Panorama…apparently it has already been broadcast. I find it exceedingly hard to believe that the BBC is going to do much more than hint about the real truth re this subject…but as its approaching Christmas, I might even watch it.

      Give my regards to Craig, the next time you see him. Someone did a very skillful edit on my post last night. I suspect it was him. If not his moderators have significantly improved.

      You haven’t got your old job back have you?

      I must have driven you mad. Sorry. You were very tolerant.



      • Geordie Bordie

        “I don’t actually watch TV, unless I can’t avoid it – like next week (family visit) I gave it up many years ago, to try and maintain at least some semblance of sanity, and objectivity amidst a world of propaganda, and the vast majority of people who actually believe it – including my wife. I couldn’t possibly tell her the truth. She is innocent and the truth, would lilkely make her very depressed. So she believes much the same as you and most people.”

        This is, perfect expression of a contemporary problem.

        Most people enjoy the manufactured reality

        Until real reality interrupts.

        Your job, as you say, is to keep it at bay.

        Yer a good soul.

        And a real man.

  • Habbabkuk

    Since we have had a small exchange on Jerusalem on the previous page, the following might be of interest :

    “After the establishment of the state of Israel, Jerusalem was declared its capital city.[200] Jordan formally annexed East Jerusalem in 1950, subjecting it to Jordanian law, and in 1953 declared it the “second capital” of Jordan.[194][201][202] Only the United Kingdom and Pakistan formally recognized such annexation, which, in regard to Jerusalem, was on a de facto basis.[203] Some scholars argue that the view that Pakistan recognized Jordan’s annexation is dubious.[204][205]

    After 1948, since the old walled city in its entirety was to the east of the armistice line, Jordan was able to take control of all the holy places therein. While Muslim holy sites were maintained and renovated,[206] contrary to the terms of the armistice agreement, Jews were denied access to Jewish holy sites, many of which were destroyed or desecrated. Jordan allowed only very limited access to Christian holy sites,[207] and restrictions were imposed on the Christian population that led many to leave the city. Of the 58 synagogues in the Old City, half were either razed or converted to stables and hen-houses over the course of the next 19 years, including the Hurva and the Tiferet Yisrael Synagogue. The 3,000-year-old[208] Mount of Olives Jewish Cemetery was desecrated, with gravestones used to build roads, latrines and Jordanian army fortifications. 38,000 graves in the Jewish Cemetery were destroyed, and Jews were forbidden from being buried there.[209][210] The Western Wall was transformed into an exclusively Muslim holy site associated with al-Buraq.[211] Israeli authorities neglected to protect the tombs in the Muslim Mamilla Cemetery in West Jerusalem, which contains the remains of figures from the early Islamic period,[212] facilitating the creation of a parking lot and public lavatories in 1964.[213] Many other historic and religiously significant buildings were demolished and replaced by modern structures during the Jordanian occupation.[214] During this period, the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque underwent major renovations.[215]

    During the 1948 war, the Jewish residents of Eastern Jerusalem were expelled by Jordan’s Arab Legion. Jordan allowed Arab Palestinian refugees from the war to settle in the vacated Jewish Quarter, which became known as Harat al-Sharaf.[216] In 1966 the Jordanian authorities relocated 500 of them to the Shua’fat refugee camp as part of plans to turn the Jewish quarter into a public park.[217][218]”

    And that in turn leads me to the following observation : there are fully functioning mosques, Buddhist temples, Sikh temples and so on in just about every Western European country you can think of and, of course, in the US. There are also functioning mosques and Christian churches in the state of Israel. However…..are there functioning synagogues and Christian churches in countries such as Iran and Saudi Arabia? There are certainly functioning Christian churches in other Muslim countries such as Egypt and Pakistan but it’s a risky business announcing your faith in thise countries by all accounts.

    It’s a rum world…….

      • Kerch'ee Kerch'ee Coup

        ‘Rum’. being Arabic for the Orthodox church, so very pertinent comment

    • nevermind

      The rights of religious organisations in Israel are not constituted as they are in Iran, not even for those of the Jewish faith.
      Jerusalem was always the home of many religious faith and those ^ who think some US egomaniac psychopath has the right to determine that Jerusalem belongs to Israel should be ashamed of themselves.

      12 hrs. after this announcement not a single other country has acknowledged support for this crackpot idea.

      • nevermind

        and yes there are mosques in Iran, and the rights of the Jewish faith has been enshrined in the Constitution for over a hundred years.

    • giyane

      The piece you are quoting refers to a time in which Jerusalem was occupied as it is now. therefore any of the priveleges that would the occupying forces would normally enjoy under Islamic rule would be denied to them.
      The victim card is wearing very thin for the Israeli illegal occupiers of the Holy Land. Yet like the threadbare flags in St Paul’s Cathedral, the victim card is constantly refreshed by Zionists somewhat loudly sweeping their strings.

      So long as Zioinists play the victim card, their extreme aggression to the Palestinians will always be condemned.

      • Sharp Ears

        06 December 2017
        22:07 GMT
        A general strike has been called by all Palestinian factions in protest of Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. Midday rallies are due to take place Thursday.
        The Palestinian education ministry declared a day off and urged teachers as well as high school and university students to take part in the planned rallies in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, the Gaza Strip and Palestinian areas in Jerusalem.
        Palestinians switched off Christmas lights at Jesus’ traditional birthplace in Bethlehem in protest on Wednesday night.

        Trump’s Jerusalem recognition: Fears of global backlash
        Published: 6 Dec 2017
        World leaders are expressing concern over the Trump administration’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. A number of demonstrations are planned across the Arab world in the coming days.

        21:59 GMT
        The UN Security Council is likely to meet Friday, according to diplomats who say that a meeting has been requested by half of the council’s members, Reuters reports.
        The request for UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres to publicly brief the Security Council meeting was reportedly made by France, Bolivia, Egypt, Italy, Senegal, Sweden, Britain and Uruguay.


        • Sharp Ears

          Corpus separatum (Latin for “separated body”) is a term used to describe the Jerusalem area in the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine. According to the plan the city would be placed under international regime, conferring it a special status due to its shared religious importance. The corpus separatum was one of the main issues of the Lausanne Conference of 1949, besides the other borders and the question of the right of return of Palestinian refugees. The plan was adopted by the General Assembly with a two-thirds majority, although its implementation failed and nowadays the view that Jerusalem should be the capital of both Israel and Palestine is widely supported internationally.

          So there you have it.

    • fwl

      Interesting post by Habbakuk at 17:51with much to consider there, but on the last point. It used to be the case that synagogues were permitted within the Ottoman empire. Persian religion of old had an enormous influence on the development of Judaism. Something has happened that we are so intolerant these days. What is the cause of that intolerance? Is the ME now, not withstanding our liberal sensitivities, less tolerant than before the First World War? Why?

  • Stu

    David Davis hasn’t actually got any impact statements even though he told parliament they existed and were “excruciatingly detailed”.

    John Swinney won’t be ready to tell the Holyrood Education committee how he intends to make the Named Person scheme compliant with European Humans Rights law until Autumn 2018.

    It’s been a day for political malingerers.

    • Republicofscotland

      “John Swinney won’t be ready to tell the Holyrood Education committee how he intends to make the Named Person scheme compliant with European Humans Rights law until Autumn 2018.
      It’s been a day for political malingerers.”

      Erm… Brexit is a economy destroying event, that will see god knows how many jobs lost, price hikes, EU citizens leave in droves, hospitals and all manner of industries lose personnel of EU countries, farming and fishing subsides will also be hit, and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

      Yet you compare a named persons scheme with the monumental upheaval, that is Brexit that will take to 2019 (if we’re lucky) to loosely sort out.

      You don’t work for the BBC by any chance do you?

      • Stu

        Surely you see the connection between non existent documents and disrespect for parliamentary process?

        Swinney asking a committee to issue a report when he cannot provide any information to the committee is astonishing. The reality is that Named Person is a privacy nightmare and is never going to be compliant with Article 8 of the European Convention On Human Rights. The SNP should be looking to start work on a bill that improves child protection whilst respecting human rights legislation.

        I’ve got a feeling that the autumn 2018 delay will see this scheme join Advanced Passenger Duty and the abolishment of corroboration on the legislative scrap heap. Holyrood is obviously crippled working under Tory budget cuts but their political instinct has been very poor.

        • Republicofscotland

          Indeed Stu, I agree, but scale man, have you no sense of scale.

          Of course the fact that three of the main parties at Holyrood work for the best interests of a foreign government (what would you call that Stu) doesn’t help any.

  • Republicofscotland

    So Trump finally did it, where all other US presidents feared to enter, that bumbling dangerous idiot Trump jumped right in with his tackety boots, and has lit the blue touch paper on Middle Eastern conflict.

    Trump, a 100% Israeli stooge, said it was a long overdue step to advance the peace process. All this fool has succeeded in doing is to deepen the divisions not just in the occupied country of Palestine but across the region.

    Trump said he had judged this course of action to be in the best interests of the United States of America, and the pursuit of peace between Israel and the Palestinians. No one in their right mind believes that fawning statement to be true.

    Once again the people of Palestine have been dealt a unjust blow, how much longer will the world standby and watch as Israel’s attack dog the US, destroys what little hope the Palestinian people have left.

    • Stu

      A lot of Democrats support this craziness as well. Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Dianne Feinstein.

      AIPAC runs deep.

      • Republicofscotland

        Not forgetting the Christian’s United for Israel, the largest of the US pro-Israel lobby groups.

        Or the Conference of Presidents of Major American J**ish Organisations. Another major movement in the US.

    • Sharp Ears

      I totally agree RoS. Jerusalem is in our being. Where Jesus carried his cross along the Via Dolorosa. I have walked along it.


      And did those feet in ancient time
      Walk upon Englands mountains green:
      And was the holy Lamb of God,
      On Englands pleasant pastures seen!

      And did the Countenance Divine,
      Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
      And was Jerusalem builded here,
      Among these dark Satanic Mills?

      Bring me my Bow of burning gold:
      Bring me my arrows of desire:
      Bring me my Spear: O clouds unfold!
      Bring me my Chariot of fire!

      I will not cease from Mental Fight,
      Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand:
      Till we have built Jerusalem,
      In England’s green & pleasant Land.’

      The blond property developer must stick to Tel Aviv. He’s probably lining up a contract for a new embassy right now. Jared in charge. Quite a few shekels to pick up.

      • SA

        Sharp Ears

        The first Christians were from the Middle East, but since the crusades Christianity has become appropriated by the West and now unfortunately is used often for political purposes. In fact all three Abrahamic monotheistic religions originate in the ME and also have been heavily politicised for aims that are completely alien to their original purpose. Dare I also say that the world has also moved on but not according to some fanatics on different sides of the divide.

    • SA

      The attempts to influence U.K. politics both covert and overt by the same state meanwhile goes on without a squeak from those concerned with foreign interference. I wonder when Priti Patel will be back as Foreign Secretary?

  • Tony_0pmoc

    I just watched it. Panorama “Jihadis You Pay For”. Excellent photography, sound, and “news drama”, but it only really exposed a little tip of an iceberg of corruption, “British money going to the wrong people – because well, its a warzone isn’t it – and they are all Muslims – and such corruption is inevitable. Us British are are only trying to help – we are trying to do our best…sorry about things going wrong” – Is the message that the vast majority of viewers will get

    It’s an almost complete and utter Total Lie.

    I knew much of the Truth that was going on in Syria, about 4 or 5 years ago, simply because I bought a book by Susan Lindaure – Extreme Prejudice (ex CIA asset), and I contacted her, and she knew people who were there in Syria – and she told me what was going on.

    How come I could find out in 2012, simply by asking someone, and The BBC are still not telling anything much of the Real Truth now???

    It’s all very well documented, by some REAL journalists – who had the courage to go there – actually Be There in The Warzones in Syria, and find out for themselves.

    None of them work for The BBC, and most of them are GIRLS

    Far more courage than men. If you don’t know who they are, then do a Goggle Search (if they haven’t yet been deleted)

    I am disgusted by my country, but very proud of some highly courageous Women.

    The whitewash won’t work. We all know Who The White Helmets are Working For, and some of us know what they actually do….and it is not nice. We also know about the airdrops, the supply of British arms to the crazy jihardists, and even a couple of British supply planes being shot down. Somewhat embarrassing? I didn’t read it in the Daily Mail.

    Still, that was a pretty good effort (start) from the BBC – but must try harder. It was slightly better than faking an entire event (again) and broadcasting it as if it was real.


    • SA

      I think that to me this was a beginning of a sea change. It is the first time that the BBC has taken this line and as the saying goes in Arabic (translated) the beginning of the flood is but one drop (of rain).
      Interestingly the Guardian was very dismissive of this report and took the side of the ASI.
      I agree with you that we still await , maybe in vain, for exposure of how not only we supported the Free Syrian Police, the white Helmets, FSA and even Al Nusra, and who knows even IS will slowly come out. If all this does it would be interesting to see whether all this will be blamed on some rogue elements or some other fudge even though we know it is core foreign policy originating from No. 10.
      On the matter of naming, it is clearly a big PR job to attach names like Free to organisations run by Islamists and clearly closely associated with jihadists. Another one is ‘the SDF’ The D standing for democratic which is made up mainly of Kurds, a small minority population in Syria, and a bunch of local tribesmen as a fig leaf. George Orwell must be turning in his grave.

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Has MI5 and the Met gone on the offensive about stopping domestic terrorism?

    Mr Rahman’s plot to blow his way into Downing Street, and murder the PM iwith a suicide vest or a knife seems like something a modern Nadin would dream up.

    • Stu

      It did seem like a handy news story to cover up (1) May’s Brexit incompetence (2) David Davis lying to parliament (3) The incompetence over the Manchester bombing.

      On the topic of the Manchester bombing the lack of press scrutiny proves we don’t have a free media in this country.

    • Tony_0pmoc

      Trowbridge, even some of the nuttier conspiracy websites, find it hard to take such “news” events seriously. My view about a lot of these events, is somewhat different to some of theirs but maybe the people working for them (and they seem to get paid) didn’t have a Box Brownie 60 years ago, and do there own colour photography 50 years ago. I must admit I did believe that The Americans landed on the moon in 1969, and only doubted it, when I started getting interested in video editing. I had already done the physics and maths – and thought well that doesn’t look right. I am not sure they didn’t go to the moon, but I am 100% sure they did most of the photography on earth.

      Incidentally, I used to do some work in London, for guys in Houston, and I always found them incredibly nice and polite. It’s just that our computer was a lot more powerful than theirs – so they outsourced the computing side of the job to us in London.



    • giyane

      Trowbridge, Sir. Every motorway and petrol station has ANPR for cars and every mosque has ANPR for humans. I don’t pray in the mosques that preach jihadist terror because they can use their ANPR face recognition systems to associate me with the daft opinions of rogue MI5/6 imams. Trump is absolutely correct when he tells Mrs May about the extent of the infection of terrorist sympathies in UK Islam. How she’s supposed to reverse it when her entire intelligence and foreign policy operations are fuelled up to increase it – beats me.

      Prevent is a program designed to divide the Muslims into patsies or rebels. The patsies get looked after and groomed . The rebels get spied on and obstructed in their daily lives. Nobody who has any personal experience of UK imams still believes that UK mosques are harmless institutions for the enlightenment and education of Muslims. They are slaves to British power, as they always have been.

    • nevermind

      Oh yes and we all believe that one man is a terror threat to the PM….
      When in an unpopular hole with wet pants, try creating some sympathy with an unbelievable fictional terror threat….

    • K Crosby

      It’s so fanciful that I can’t help wonder who incited him. I daresay that a PII will keep it out of court too….

  • Tony_0pmoc

    You deleted this??? Why???

    I just watched it. Panorama “Jihadis You Pay For”. Excellent photography, sound, and “news drama”, but it only really exposed a little tip of an iceberg of corruption, “British money going to the wrong people – because well, its a warzone isn’t it – and they are all Muslims – and such corruption is inevitable. Us British are are only trying to help – we are trying to do our best…sorry about things going wrong” – Is the message that the vast majority of viewers will get

    It’s an almost complete and utter Total Lie.

    I knew much of the Truth that was going on in Syria, about 4 or 5 years ago, simply because I bought a book by Susan Lindaurer – Extreme Prejudice (ex CIA asset), and I contacted her, and she knew people who were there in Syria – and she told me via her website what was going on.

    How come I could find out in 2012-2013, simply by asking someone, and The BBC are still not telling anything much of the Real Truth now???

    It’s all very well documented, by some REAL journalists – who had the courage to go there – actually Be There in The Warzones in Syria, and find out for themselves.

    None of them work for The BBC, and most of them are GIRLS

    Far more courage than men. If you don’t know who they are, then do a Goggle Search (if they haven’t yet been deleted)

    I am disgusted by my country, but very proud of some highly courageous Women.

    The whitewash won’t work. We all know Who The White Helmets are Working For, and some of us know what they actually do….and it is not nice. We also know about the airdrops, the supply of British arms to the crazy jihardists, and even a couple of British supply planes being shot down. Somewhat embarrassing? I didn’t read it in the Daily Mail.

    Still, that was a pretty good effort (start) from the BBC – but must try harder. It was slightly better than faking an entire event (again) and broadcasting it as if it was real.


    • giyane


      This is the British way of whitewashing their disgusting war crimes. You’ve fallen into the trap of believing the thinly-veneered half-truths of the British propaganda broadcasting corpse. The war in Syria could not last more than a week without diplomatic and logistical support from USUKIS proxies Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
      I will never expose myself to the twisted manipulations of the UK lie machine. And you an Irishman!

  • Republicofscotland

    Surely now that Trump has forsaken the Arab world, that all Arabs, whether they be Sunni, Shia or whatever will now, put their dfferences aside and work together to reduce US interests in the region.

    Jerusalem belongs to all of us, whether we believe in one of Abrahamic religions or not, this what happens when a rogue state is allowed to go unchecked.

    • giyane

      When I talk with the victims of Arab terrorist violence who have been lucky enough to reach this country, what I hear from them is that their bastard rulers have forsaken the Arabs long before Trump started work on rounding up their terrorists and criminals released from prison. Obama and Clinton destroyed Libya and Syria. Trump has defeated Islamic State and allowed Russia to bring Syria out of the hands of their Arab tormentors. The next phase will involve Chinese army boots on the ground. The terms of Russia’s victory are that no terrorist will remain alive on Syrian soil.

      Arabs are quite good at lying. They have to be because it’s haram.

  • Tony_0pmoc

    I must admit, I find this bloke from Manchester, was living in London, was living in South West France, now living in Goa India, a complete intellectual delight. He’s a bit older than me, but we used to go to the same music venues in Manchester at around the same time, and I think we both moved from Manchester to London about the same time – but I don’t recocgnise him, and some of the time, I don’t agree with him – but I do most of the time. I had actually corrected him on a few occasions, on his SLOG when I recognised his mistake, and he corrected it (I didn’t want him to be embarrassed) and I wasn’t bothered about not being acknowledged. He writes nearly as good as Craig Murray (even better than he has ever done most recently)

    But he has got a Blind Spot (much the same as Craig Murray), but when I wrote about it on his SLOG, he banned me permanently, whereas I can still post here.

    I just want to thank the bloke, but can’t cos he’s banned me.

    Anyhow, I want some feedback from him….

    We’ve been to India 4 times, but never for very long (but We loved It)

    He’s moved there for The Winter….

    I want to know what its like, and how he feels there after several months. Does he want to stay or does he want to go back to his jitte in South West France?

    If he wants to stay there on a long term visa – well 10 years ago, atter 6 months, you had to go on holiday to Thailand or somewhere close for a couple of weeks…then you come back to India for the next 6 months and repeat the process…but then you get to know the system – and get full residency or just disappear and live in a tree house (dead cheap = complete with air- conditioning on the beach). I don’t think he has been there before and he’s nearly 70 years old – and that is great spirit.

    Check out Palolem and Further South

    His name is John Ward – and his Blog is the Slog.


    The Guy is Class


  • nevermind

    If the stealing of Jerusalem with the help of an egomaniac psychopath is not getting Craig to comment, a potential world changing event that will colour the future of relations with Israel every day and with almost any country on earth, then I’m beginning to think that this blog will seize to exist on the 14th. Dec. when this thread runs out.

    Netanyahu has Trump feeding out of his hand, he’s Bibis slave as he can guraantee his re election by his AIPAC friends, if he is still alive that is.
    never in the history of the cold war has the world been closer to war and when the thief of Jerusalem comes/imposes himself on to the EU Parliament on the 11th. Dec. he will threaten the union, as he did in Hungary.

    This decision will have far reaching consequences in the US and elsewhere, it will be the start of an International intifada, imho. An uprising in the West bank and Gaza will concentrate much of the IDF on to keeping Israels internal life safe, leaving a deficit elsewhere.

    I am sure that Trumps sons will not sign up to fight in the front line, nor will Habbakuk, their apologist mouthpiece here, they will not be asked to endanger them self by attacking and injuring children and other young future generation that guarantee hate for Israel’s genocide, keeping the need for more Apartheid and land stealing alive in the minds of all its people and the security forces.

    Netanyahu should now be banned from the EU, his fascist values have no place in Europe bar in the minds of the ERF and its plotters.

    I will hasten a guess that next years world cup in Russia might never happen.

    put that into moderation.

    • Macky

      “If the stealing of Jerusalem with the help of an egomaniac psychopath is not getting Craig to comment, a potential world changing event that will colour the future of relations with Israel every day and with almost any country on earth, then I’m beginning to think that this blog will seize to exist on the 14th. Dec. when this thread runs out.”

      Well I thought it very strange that Craig didn’t comment on the Priti Patel affair,so it seems that my half-jesting CT might be growing legs !:


    • giyane

      Nobody can imagine how much pressure was deliberately placed on Craig by the Zionists by threatening him with bankruptcy in the Libel court. He is only human and he has been subjected to state intimidation and violence before. Contributors to his court fund can take pride in having assisted him with practical help to save him from bankruptcy at Zionist hands.

      I do not believe Craig will close the blog down. but he needs time to recover emotionally from the shock of Zionist aggression. Last time he was intimidated he indicated obscurely that he was not free to allow some types of comment to remain. Many of our posts were deleted as a result. It is now clear what type of comments were deleted and who forced him to delete them. Also the price he was forced to pay for ignoring the threats from the Zionist mafia to stop allowing criticism of Israeli violence and racism.

      In many ways we are extremely fortunate that Mrs May who has been at the forefront of calls to censor free speech on the internet, is now ensnared by her bedfellows in right-wing malignancy in their violent and racist Brexism. Too many criminals spoil the brothel.

      As to Trump and the US embassy in Jerusalem, all the wars of our lifetime except the Falklands have been wars for Zionism. Trump wants to increase the legitimacy of the Greater Israel land grab in Syria and he is delighted to let Russia and China destroy the terrorists his predecessors deployed against the Syrian land and peoples. He didn’t get into power by promising further destruction, which was the Clinton plan. he got into power by accepting phase 2 of the Zionist plan for Syria, the removal of the terrorists by Russia and Iran.

      I really don’t see he had much choice about the embassy. He’s an old stooge, with millions of damning evidence against him worse than Weinstein. Clinton was hooked on the drug of proxy violence. She’d never have let them take her Islamist toys out of her pram.

  • nevermind

    For the first time tonight I heard active flying overhead, its normal during the day now, almost every day for the last three weeks running and the fitting out of Marham for the new expensive, heavy over engineered birds is happening at full pace, not sure whether they are working through the night but they are paying fantastic wages at the moment trying to make ends meet.

    What will Ireland’s reaction be to the usurping of the UN’s decision that says Israel occupation of East Jerusalem is illegal?

    Brace your self Brian, storm is rattling the tiles tomorrow.

    • Tony_0pmoc

      nevermind, Blimey, its suddenly got very windy. I bet my fence survives it (I built it myself). Shiit, the shed’s already gone. It will all be sorted tomorrow. Don’t worry. I got my coal delivery today, and we live on a hill.

      • giyane

        You’re going to polish the coal and place it on the mantelpiece to remind you of old times?
        Just when I have achieved a 15 year old ambition to own a Volvo V70, I find that Hammond is hiking up the road tax for older diesel cars. Perhaps I could run my new machine on coal? Plenty room in the back.

        • Tony_0pmoc


          It is smokeless coal. I like to abide by the rules. I thought most of what you wrote above was great, except I was not too impressed with “violent and racist Brexism.”

          Otherwise – Spot on

          I was impressed.

          Are you any good at fixing computers in 10 year old cars? Mine was doing fine, but when it got cold and wet it had a nervous breakdown. It detected all these faults that simply weren’t there the night before. Should I hit the computer – or buy a new battery?

          You are an electrician aren’t you and know about these things?

          I’m supposed to be in Lancashire on Monday, and have no plans to go on the train cos that probably won’t be working either.


          • giyane

            Tpny , in my old Caddy van the computer sits beneath the windscreen and gets soaked . You can in-plug is and plug in a new second-hand one. but your car may not be the same design.
            Brexit has given every racist a green light to express their opinion openly. Does that cause violence? It causes un-employment. I experience that as violence because it is real.

    • Sharp Ears

      RAF Marham Nevermind.

      ‘RAF Marham Station Commander
      Group Captain Ian “Cab” Townsend ADC MA RAF

      RAF Marham Mission Statement
      “Deliver battle winning Air Power for current and future operations”

      Welcome to Royal Air Force Marham

      RAF Marham is home to the frontline squadrons of the RAF’s Tornado GR4 Force, which is currently focused on operations in the Middle East alongside holding a high readiness state for contingency operations across the Globe.

      Beyond flying, the station is also home to the 1STAR, the Tornado GR Force HQ, No. 3 (RAF) Force Protection Wing HQ, No. 93 Expeditionary Armament Squadron, No. 2620 (County of Norfolk) Sqn RAuxAF Regiment, and a plethora of engineering support functions ranging from deep maintenance to front line support.

      Furthermore, following the 2013 announcement that RAF Marham will be the future home of the F-35 Lightning Force, we are now beginning extensive infrastructure changes across the base in anticipation of the arrival of the UK’s first ever 5th Generation, multi-role,stealth fighter.

      Our broad population of almost 10,000 people is made up of members of all 3 Services, the Civil Service, Industry, Contractors and families, all of whom play an integral role in making the RAF Marham machine operate effectively and efficiently.Located in West Norfolk, we enjoy incredible local support, not only from our families and friends that live here, but also from the communities which surround us.

      Whatever your reasons for exploring our website, I hope your visit is useful, informative and interesting.

      Postal Address:
      Station Commander
      Royal Air Force Marham
      King’s Lynn
      PE33 9NP ‘

      10,000 personnel there!!! No wonder there’s no money for anything else. Today, Her Maj is in Portsmouth for some naming ceremony for one of the already redundant £3billion aircraft carriers. Shame there are no planes for them!

  • tony_0pmoc

    I will leave you with some peaceful music from this guy I met at a World Music Festival in England. This guy is an American, a little bit younger than me…very similar history – computer industry – until he was about 30 years old – and he quit. He gave it all up to become a musician. He travels all over the world busking (well he had for the previous 10 years – he had been busking all over the world for over 10 years when we met him and had not gone back to the USA. We met him again in Oxford. This is not my video – though I did give him everything I had of him – original files…This is Christopher of The Wolves. I know now, he has been back to the USA, but I do not know if he has become very successful…He certainly should…he occasionally still sends me an email…but its been a few years. He gave me all his records for the original camera files. I thought what a nice bloke and my wife was a bit starstruck – That’s Americans for you…

    “One man band busking at Oxford Christopher of the Wolves”



    Do you see the beauty of what he did – a white American busking where he did – in places like Vietnam and Cambodia and Laos – only 20-30 years after the Americans had bombed them to shitt – and he was accepted and loved..he was buskig he never had any money than from what he ws given from playing his music – I guess it’s like the ultimate peace offering of any man brought up like we were…and its suddenly hits us…What can we do?


  • Sharp Ears

    A sculpture depicting Jesus as a homeless man sleeping on a bench has been installed in Glasgow city centre.

    A world-famous sculpture, created by Canadian sculptor Timothy Schmalz, has been placed at Nelson Mandela Place, near Glasgow’s St George’s Tron Church, after planning permission was granted earlier this year.

    I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

    Homeless Jesus statue installed in Glasgow city centre – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-42256546

    • fedup

      @Sharp Ears
      Fact remains that there is no one left to topple the money changers’ tables in the city as reflected by even Jesus giving up the ghost and experiencing a revolutionary deficit and becoming bankrupt. Jesus too joining the other 3.5 million bankrupt citizens whom no longer can afford to meet the costs of citizenship, and having a home given the expenses of; local rates/taxes, as well as paying for water and sewerage, and costs of energy to keep warm and cook food, along with the costs of upkeep of running repairs etc, to keep roof over their heads, all the while with no means of support and or any credible income to meet such a costs. This of course is acceptable because “Freedom” to live like a feral animal in the twenty first century enshrines the Freedom of Choice, and Freedom of Expression!

      Homelessness portrayed and disguised as lack of affordable homes, cleverly discounts the underlying causes that is bankruptcy of the citizens whom can no longer remain incorporated in the current “society” and meet the costs of citizenship of the current society. Thus the said homeless citizens are forced to drop out of the society and live as feral animals in the fringes of it on the streets, that is if they are lucky not to be set upon by the thugs and hooligans high on all manner of exotic substances which are seemingly found in abundance and catered for, the transactions of which are included in the GDP.

      The only excuse the political elite have forwarded for maintaining the current iniquitous arrangements in support of their benefactors/employers (our very own ever so friendly oligarchs) has been the dreams of prosperity for all. This excuse too is now wearing thin given three and half million bankrupt citizens ie homeless citizens that includes 128,000 homeless children.

      The degree of suppression of truth extending to sanitising and deleting package in which Heidi Allen choking back tears tries to respond to Frank Fields about the current misery that Universal Credit wreaking havoc on the lives of low/no income families is no longer available and an error is thrown up.

      Sad to find even Jesus being depicted as a forlorn bankrupt citizen instead of a champion fighting for equality and eradication of injustice. That is the degree of the success of the lunatics whom have been running the planet for the last few decades, misery and destruction all around and judging by the “contributions” of the known and established lickspittle as ever jumping to defend the same nostrums and policies through deflection and disassembly; It is evident that the said lunatics are not done yet.

      • Phil the ex-frog

        “Sad to find even Jesus being depicted as a forlorn bankrupt citizen instead of a champion fighting for equality and eradication of injustice. That is the degree of the success of the lunatics whom have been running the planet for the last few decades…”

        The perception of Jesus reflected the adoption of Christianity by the ruling classes. What was taken literally was gradually changed to not mean what it said, but as an allegory for the soul. So 4:32 no one claimed private ownership of any possessions became no one claimed that what they possessed was their own. The revolutionary material teachings were gradually changed to become teachings for the soul. Nothing to do with actual wealth.

        But this hasn’t happened in the last few decades. It happened gradually over the first few centuries. Constantin and Nicaea were landmarks.

      • Robert Crawford

        Good to see you again Fedup, I trust you are well and in the pink.

        I have a present for you, and everyone else here, it is a book, called “Word Magic” by Pao Chang. From AbeBooks.

        It will cost £20.00 to land it here. An absolute eye opener.

        I urge all enquiring minds to buy it.


  • Macky

    Trump’s action of yesterday is causing a few more to call-out the Apartheid reality;

    Australia’s former foreign minister, Bob Carr, now backs single democratic state;

    “If the two state solution is buried under settlements and Trump-Netanyahu pact then we need world pressure for full voting rights for all between Jordan River and sea. Not apartheid system of different rights based on race and religion.”

  • nevermind

    Well said, Sharp ears and fed up, a homeless Jesus talking of forgiveness today would get short shrift by society, a sad fact.
    Further it looks like the Christians are amassing on the gates of hell for access, by using little Jesus’s birthday, during the quiet time, as a launchpad for another middle east war.

    Trumps decision has already caused promises of aggression as Hamas leader Hanija is calling for another intifada striking at the heart of Israel.

    its in German, sorry not feeling well to translate it.

    and this from Reuters on the same issue.

    • nevermind

      the picture of little Jesus, Salvator Mundi was sold for a record price to hang in the Abu Dhabi Louvre. Jesus was bought and hung by a Wahabi Saudi prince, MBS…..

      • Republicofscotland

        Is Jesus not seen as a prophet in the Koran? Indeed if I recall correctly, Mary, is the only woman to be mentioned by name in the book, as one of the most venerated and righteous of women.

  • Republicofscotland

    “A Saudi proposal for a peace initiative between Israelis and Palestinians offers the village of Abu Dis as the future capital of Palestine instead of East Jerusalem, stirring widespread anger”

    Apparently the Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas, was offered this proposition two months ago.

    Abu Dis is a Palestinian town near occupied East Jerusalem. According to the Oslo Accords it is classified as Area B which is administered by both Israel and the Palestinian Authority.
    Its obvious there has been collusion between the Saudi’s and Israeli’s beforehand, in an attempt to try and soften the internationally seen, illegal transition of Jerusalem into Israeli hands.


      • SA

        Sorry link doesn’t seem to work here is what I wrote

        So the Jerusalem embassy story is another one of those distractions used to divert attention from one subject to another.
        Trump of course knows not only that this action is provocative but that it is also highly symbolic but practically meaningless. He also knows that it will split the democrats some of whom are equally supportive, if not more so, if this idea. Thirdly the mild criticism that will follow from places like Saudi Arabia will be used to distract from the closer collusion between Israel and KSA that is trying to formulate a new war in the ME against Iran. In fact any pronouncements from Iran in this subject will quickly be used to trigger action by Israel, which by the way seems to have escalating the attacks against the SAA around Damascus. Also any Palestinian violence or intifada will be heavily suppressed.
        All in all very clever but we must always see beyond the headlines but the bottom line here is how can the US and Israel and KSA stop the influence of Iran and start a war.

        • giyane

          Do you think Saudi Arabia really trusts Israel after USUKIS has trounced their jihadists using Russia and Iran?

          • SA


            I think that was not supposed to happen but the Russians interfered. The US tried very hard to protect IS from the SAA and RuAF but failed, at least without appearing to be too partisan. As to Is, the country not the caliphate, they have from time to time acted as the AF for the Jihadis and witness the concentration of Jihadis as a buffer zone between Syria and the Israeli occupied Golan. Also notice that one of the few enduring pockets, the Yarmouk pocket of ISIS is on the border with Israeli occupied Golan and Jordan.

            Well in answer to your question, yes the Saudi King trusts the Israelis because of the common project. However the alliances in the ME as we have seen change often and sometimes are contradictory.

          • SA

            This Beit Jin pocket referred to is further north, nearer the Lebanese border. The ISIS Yarmouk pocket is further south, tucked away and actually separated from the Syrian Army by a zone controlled by an area occupied by the FSA in south Dara’a..

        • Republicofscotland


          Re your 12.00 comment, yes I suppose the Great Satan and its obedient minions will be hoping for a violent reaction, with regards to a Jerusalem.

          However, I feel the attacks will be aimed more at US bases and personnel, US citizens within the ME region. It would be foolish to declare all out war on Israel or the US for that matter.

          What is left to say about Saudi Arabia that hasn’t already been said, it’s a great wonder that they have any allies left in the Arab world.

          • SA

            I agree nobody will declare war but any action, even by individuals will be used as a casus belli and trigger major retaliations. After all we know the the IAF seems to have a free reign over Lebanese airspace and bomb Syria from there at will.

      • Republicofscotland


        On Syria, it would appear the Great Satan, (consecutive warmongering US administrations) might have released that Assad cannot be removed at this moment in time.

        “US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has said that “it’s important” that President Bashar Assad is part of talks on the future of Syria. He added that Washington has asked Moscow to facilitate the Syrian government’s involvement in the Geneva negotiations.”


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