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  • reel guid

    The Local is reporting that a satirical comedian on Catalan radio called Eduard Biosca is being sued by the Guardia Civil and has been summoned to appear before a judge in January.

    Got anything to say about that Labour Party? Want to comment?

    Or is it just the rule of law being applied in Spain and it’s not our business?

    No. I say it’s insidious, creeping fascism. In our Europe.

    • Republicofscotland

      reel guid.

      Staying on the shambles that is the branch office of London Labour in Scotland. As you rightly said Richard Leonard wants to suspend Kezia Dugdale.

      Apparently it’s all to do with Dugdale jetting of to Australia, to star in Im a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here.

      Two things spring to mind, one Dugdale appears to be disillusioned by politics/Labour, and secondly when was Dugdale ever classed as a celebrity?

      Still it a bit of schadenfraude will be most welcome, watching Dugdale squirm amongst the beetles and cockroaches.

      https://stv.tv/news/politics/1402512-leonard-dugdale-may-be-suspended-in-next-few-days/

      • reel guid

        Ros

        Shambles indeed. A few weeks ago Dugdale and Rowley were the leader and depute leader. Then Dugdale resigned amid talk of her being plotted against. Then the two sets of supporters of the candidates for new leader start viciously fighting, to make it into the bitterest contest Labour’s seen for ages. Then the interim leader Rowley steps down amid allegations. And Dugdale goes further and calls for the suspension of her erstwhile depute. Rowley is duly suspended. Leonard is elected over bitter rival Sarwar. The same day, Leonard talks of seeking the suspension of Dugdale.

        However Jackie Baillie got to be interim Scottish Labour leader for literally a couple of days. The highlight of her career.

      • Rob Royston

        Now that Fifi Le Bon Bon has such close ties with the SNP she’s maybe hoping to get back as the preferred commentor on the Scotsman if Alex gets the chairman’s slot. She used to be able to post an hour ahead of everyone else when she was batting for Better Together.

  • Republicofscotland

    “On Friday, crowds took part in the march to commemorate Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera, the founder of Falange Espanola, who was executed by the Spanish Republican government on November 20, 1936. Created in
    1933, Falange Espanola was a nationalist party inspired by Italian fascism.”

    So they gave the Nazi salute whilst singing Cara al Sol in Madrid. I don’t recall the BBC reporting this fascist activity.

    However the BBC, at present appears to be obsessed with Russian hacking, and the plight of the Rohingya Muslims, whilst virtually demonising home grown Muslims.

    https://www.rt.com/news/410255-nazi-salute-madrid-march/

    • nevermind

      very good point, our eyes are directed to the BBC’s and western war narrative, our right to enforce the right kind of democracy and human rights with bombs. That there are fascists in our midst does not play any tune, is low key acceptance, unless off course, its too blatant and kills off our own representatives.

      Europe is full of fanatical fascists and Germany, at a brink of another election as coalition talks have largely failed, is going to get another chance to give more fascists their public consent, nothing to be worried about, fascism has won over the western world and its worst proponents are seen as models for the new apartheid against those who are hungry, bombed out of their homes, or without any prospect of having a life.

      The biggest fascists are those who depend on war for their dollars, who can’t direct their fuzzied two braincells to more than fuelling paranoia, selling arms and false discourse like this Russia is a threat.

      The biggest threat to the world would be a war with unforeseen consequences of a nuclear war in a now methane rich atmosphere. Followed by a nuclear winter of some awesome proportions it is very likely to set off some major vulcanos, very likely extending this period of global winter.

      The idiots who believe they can survive this kind of scenario must be pitied, closely controlled and disabled.

      The BBC is the ministry of Truth as envisaged by George Orwell, but without the clout and power, yet. That they were envisaged to be directed and paid for by a franchise is what’s done it, their dependencies have coloured everything they do and hence they are no better than the politicians who think that nobody but themselves is allowed or should be trusted with power.
      they would not know the meaning of democracy and their claim to running the worlds first parliamentary democracy sounds not only hollow, but holed.

      Democracy that does not evolve to include its voters is just another form of dear leadership, fascism by so many names.

  • reel guid

    Latest Score.

    Post war Italian Prime Ministers 42 Post devo Scottish Labour* leaders 9

    Catching up.

    *Interim leaders not counted

  • reel guid

    Richard Leonard as a GMB man has long been in favour of Trident.

    Speaking of the Dugdale situation and the Labour MSPs meeting, Leonard said “I think we will come to a collective decision”.

    By that he probably means everyone will have to agree with the new leader.

    For The Lennie Not The Many.

    • MJ

      The last time it invaded, in 2006, Lebanon’s Iranian weaponry proved effective in forcing a retreat.

      • Kerch'ee Kerch'ee Coup

        But it was the dedication and training of the Lebanese resistance that enabled them to use what weapons they had to turn back the Israelis. As the Saudis are finding in Yemen, it takes a great deal of advanced weaponry to make up for a lack of resolution.
        BTW , could MBS invite May over to the Ritz Carlton Detention Centre for a few days.It seems too large for one ex-PM?

        • nevermind

          Moreover what will china do? it needs Iranian oil more than the rich f…kers in the US and the west, to provide the basics of life for our increasingly impoverished working class societies.

          Plotting for war and selling arms to both sides should be dealt with by the UN, but they are subjected to word play and squabbling by the US, over a chemical weapons who dun-it in Syria with all the hallmarks of a white Helmet false flag.
          Now Israel is claiming to be attacked in the Golan, deary me, that a cease fire agreement from 1974 had been breached, in an occupied territory it has stolen from Syria and is exploiting for oil, a resource burgling, a land grab that has been condemned by the whole world.

          It is to be seen whether Israel will be pushed out of that stolen property and a new ceasefire agreement reached, that the Sheeba farms and South Lebanon will also be freed and that Israel is thrown out of the UN for a 10 year delinquency/ non compliance period.

          Anybody who is complicit with Israel should also be expelled to think about it, if that destroys a currently incapable UN, so be it.

  • reel guid

    Blimey. Corbyn has just said that Dugdale should not be suspended. In opposition to the attitude of Richard Leonard, the supposedly Corbynite victor of the leadership election.

    Curiouser and curiouser.

    • Rob Royston

      Sounds like an absolute idiot. There was not a victory in this situation for anyone. Whatever the reason for the massive cash-flow problem let us hope that it is a problem that can be resolved so that everyone gets on with earning a living and getting this project completed. Otherwise they will not get near the next one.
      I just hope none of the lads took any notice of his dangerous divisive talk.

  • Jeffrey Robinson

    The Answer

    Then what is the answer?- Not to be deluded by dreams.

    To know that great civilizations have broken down into violence,
    and their tyrants come, many times before.

    When open violence appears, to avoid it with honor or choose
    the least ugly faction; these evils are essential.

    To keep one’s own integrity, be merciful and uncorrupted
    and not wish for evil; and not be duped
    By dreams of universal justice or happiness.
    These dreams will
    not be fulfilled.

    To know this, and know that however ugly the parts appear
    the whole remains beautiful.
    A severed hand
    Is an ugly thing and man dissevered from the earth and stars
    and his history.
    .
    .
    for contemplation or in fact.
    .
    .

    Often appears atrociously ugly.
    Integrity is wholeness,
    the greatest beauty is
    Organic wholeness, the wholeness of life and things, the divine beauty
    of the universe.
    Love that, not man
    Apart from that, or else you will share man’s pitiful confusions,
    or drown in despair when his days darken.

    John Robinson Jeffers (January 10, 1887 – January 20, 1962)

    • Sharp Ears

      Note that the author, Dr Summerfield, was sued for libel by Blachar.

      ‘Rather than investigating the claims made in the appeal, Blachar filed a libel suit in London against the individual who headed the 2009 campaign (and is also the author of this article). We rebutted the suit, which alleged we had duped signatories into signing the petition. Signatories helped us with our successful rebuttal by asserting to the libel lawyers that they were no dupes. Noam Chomsky was among those in public support of our effort.

      The latest of these attempts to hold the IMA accountable came last year when 71 UK-based doctors made a fresh appeal to the WMA. This time, the submission also leaned on the 2011 Physicians for Human Rights-Israel report “Doctoring the Evidence, Abandoning the Victim: The Involvement of Medical Professionals in Torture and Ill Treatment in Israel” regarding the work of Israeli doctors in security units where torture of detainees was routine.

      Why, the 2016 submission asked, were the doctors posted to these units not protecting detainees and protesting their treatment? And why has the Israeli Medical Association not acted on such reports, as it should according to the standards set down by the World Medical Association? ‘

    • giyane

      ” It is now more than 20 years since Amnesty International first concluded that Israeli doctors working with Israel’s security services “form part of a system in which detainees are tortured, ill-treated and humiliated in ways that place prison medical practice in conflict with medical ethics.”

      The UK is not far behind Israel fascism. Tomorrow an employment agency has given me a task to work at a hospital for those who are currently not in sufficient mental health to go to prison. let’s be clear what an agency is. It is a broker employed by corporate power to resource labour at the cheapest price and with the least human rights for the contracted person.

      Like my last corporate contract where I questioned why the basement car park of a student accommodation building owned by Untie Students was completely overrun by rats. tomorrow I am going to be questioning why it is beneficial to our society to so reduce the working conditions and pay of our citizens that they are unable to find anywhere to live, cannot sustain their basic needs and therefore suffer mental health difficulties.

      WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF JOBS IN THE UK WHEN THE ONLY POINT OF CONTACT FOR THE EMPLOYEE ABOUT THEIR WORK IS THE AGENCY THAT WORKS FOR AND ONLY SERVES THE INTEREST OF THE CORPORATE EMPLOYER?

      Apparently the majority of the haves, who bought their houses when they were affordable, see fit to vote for the corporate party , the Tories. It is of no interest whatsoever to them that the working class face poverty that disables their mental health. It is of no interest to them that their own children are affected by the same problems and have to stay at home to survive. And they are satisfied by the PM pontificating that it is her commitment to do something about the problem when it is her party and the right-wing Blairite party that created all these problems – from a base of world-class levels of social provision.

      the Tories and Blairites have created a downward curve of mental health for the working class which will go below the standards of Israeli fascism against the Palestinians, in a very few months, if it is not already at that level now.

      • giyane

        ” the haves, who bought their houses when they were affordable ,,”
        At a time when working conditions were very favourable, including pensions. These troughers are the ones that have sold the next generation down the road by making temporary employment the norm, reducing pay, and all subject to instant dismissal without any redress or tribunal.

  • reel guid

    Ex-Guardian Journalist Michael White has called all pro-independence people in Scotland ethnic cleansers. This was in a twitter reply to Tory MSP Adam Tomkins.

    Three weeks ago on Radio 4, White’s take on the Westminster sex scandals was that female political journalists were “predators” who often took advantage of “poor old ugly” male MPs. He was rightly criticised by many for that. As he should be for his unfounded slur on Scots.

    In the past White has described the working classes as “tribal”.

    What white and middle class British nationalist men like White cannot accept is that they’ve had their day of feeling and acting superior to others.

    • giyane

      Nationalists, eh?

      What makes you think you’re better than me , just because you’re a Scotsman? Only asking.

        • giyane

          Good. The manager, Clive Edwards, at Unite Students thought it was appropriate for him to closet a Muslim married woman in his office and address her as ” Hello Beautiful “, while sacking me for joking that alcoholics are drawn to work in pubs like dirty old men like me are drawn to work in student accommodation. ” Oh , ” he says,” women need chatting up and complimenting.”
          { when he’s doing the chatting up with his job and pension, but not when I’m doing it on my 4 hours notice sub-contractor terms and conditions. }

          I think Michael White ( who he? ) is perfectly entitled to question the old-fashioned idea that the sexual frissance of chatting up is a one-way street from men to women. The law is on a 200 year time-delay, or at least it was when I got divorced, because it always blames the man if anything goes wrong, and hands over the property and custody of the children to the woman, even if the man has done nothing wrong and she has been bonking the local football team.

          Most of these professional poltical women have bonked themselves silly through university and IMHO have no right whatsoever to feign innocence when dealing with an MP’s inappropriate flirtation. Michael White sounds like a man with his head screwed on.

      • Robert Crawford

        Remember this,
        I am not better than you Giyane, and you are not better than me.

        Come up to Scotland and start your own business.
        Good Tradesmen are always needed and usually do well here.

  • giyane

    Boris Johnson is again in the limelight for announcing that he will award £4 billion to Iran. last week he brought dishonour to the office for which he is responsible by lying ( as he often has in the past ). he stated that an Iranian prisoner was teaching journalism when he knew that she was on holiday. Are there no depths this evil man will not fathom? No, because in the week prior to that, when government ministers were forced to resign for touching women, he refused to resign for making women pregnant in extra-marital affairs.

    I have nothing against him having a second wife, and children, and bringing them up in honour and responsibility. But to allow government ministers to resign, local councillors to commit suicide and feminism to rule the House of Commons and not resign himself, is utter hypocrisy, and brings UK and Mrs May’s parliament into international ridicule. If he won’t resign, Sack him .

  • Tony_0pmoc

    Soros is Not a nice person. Exactly who is not on his Payroll? Have you ever questioned his real agenda? I suspect John Lennon would not approve, and neither do I.

    “ACTUAL international collusion: Nigel Farage exposes massive Soros network of MEPs spreading ‘gender theory’, open borders and russophobia (VIDEO)”

    https://www.sott.net/article/368158-ACTUAL-international-collusion-Nigel-Farage-exposes-massive-Soros-network-of-MEPs-spreading-gender-theory-open-borders-and-russophobia-VIDEO

    Tony

  • Manda

    Has anyone heard from Craig? Is he recovering? Is he alright? Apologies if I missed a comment from him or about him in my scan of comments.

    • pietra

      My guess is that he is feeling terribly guilty about appearing not to be bothering with his massive following, and that he has therefore extracted his digital typewriter and is hard at work somewhere on a new barrage of insightful posts for his web. Of course, others here may vehemently disagree and suppose that his is still feeling ever so tired and needs a little more recovery time.

  • Tony_0pmoc

    An old traditional Indian remedy for a severe does of the sh1ts is Coca Cola (not the sh11t with Aspartame in) and Bananas.

    In my expereince these not sh11t a brick tablets make it worse…

    My Mum who was a Pharmacist, says you can’t beat a glass bottle of Kaolin & Morphine. (plastic bottles don’t work)

    The Kaolin settles you guts, and the morphine eases the pain..but it’s hard to buy it now (especially in Ireland), and even in England, if you are a bloke and have got long blonde hair. It’s not exactly a fun drink,but it does work if you can get it.

    Tony

  • giyane

    My letter to the agency offering me work tomorrow:

    I have looked at the website for Ardenleigh and it contains all the usual tripe put out by institutional corporations.
    I worked for resourcing Group for five months and applied twice for a more permanent position, but this was refused because of my pointing out the failings in the management of the properties. Unite Students senior management objected to my pointing out that their buildings electrical installations do not comply to the basic current requirements of BS7671, and it did not comply even when they were constructed because they claimed dispensation as a commercial building.

    Unite Students also has a culture of prioritising customer service over actual construction good practise. From the day I started to the day I was summarily dismissed large numbers of rats infested the car park and the residential floor above it. I referred the company to the Health and Safety Executive but they turned out to be in cahoots with United Students. What this means is that large corporations are effectively exempt from external inspection or criticism of their money-saving style of management.

    Lastly, after five months working for Resourcing Group on the day after I was fired I called your office and asked them to present my side of the case. I had not done anything wrong nor said anything wrong, but I suspect that Unite Students used illegal surveillance methods to monitor my personal and political use of the internet. Your agency did not intervene on my behalf. I earned five months for Resourcing Group but in the end your company knows where its bread is buttered and supports the corporation against its employee.

    For this reason I will not be working for you in the future. I hope this causes you as much inconvenience as Resourcing Group has already caused me. I already have alternative employment.

    • Tony_0pmoc

      giyane,

      Even 30 years ago, any cv that lasted longer than one sheet of A4 paper with lots of spaces and short paragraphs went straight in the bin. If you want a job, now, try a hand written letter with a fountain pen, without any long words or sentences, and sign it Your’s faithfully on one sheet of paper, and put a first class stamp on the envelope.

      Then at least you might get an interview.

      Tony

      • Tony_0pmoc

        That didn’t work for me either, so after nearly a year on the dole, I phoned them up, and got through to a really nice girl working in The Personnel Department (later rebranded Human Resources – god knows what its called now)

        And I said “Gissa job” -“I can do that..I can mop the floor..I can clean up. I just want to work for your company”

        To my amazement she said Yes Tony, and sent me yet another Application Form…so I applied again.

        “Gis a job, I can do that”

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aObZJN9zDtA

        I was 19 and I got the job (at the third attempt)

        Tony

  • laguerre

    No. Evidently Israel can drill illegaly in the Golan, as occupied territory, where it has no right.

    • giyane

      Pritty Patel’s public pounds will still be needed for poor little wounded Al Qaidees. No oil money ever reaches the residents wherever they may be. That usually filters down to Tory MPs.

  • Tony_0pmoc

    The most important thing to keep through all this insanity, chaos,death and destruction is a sense of humour, even and especially when in a state of the utmost personal grief…

    “When it gets down to having to use violence, then you are playing the system’s game. The establishment will irritate you – pull your beard, flick your face – to make you fight. Because once they’ve got you violent, then they know how to handle you. The only thing they don’t know how to handle is non-violence and humour.” – John Lennon

    “John Lennon – Come Together”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e7AQQTONvg

    Tony

    • Macky

      “When it gets down to having to use violence, then you are playing the system’s game.”

      “Cryptography is the ultimate form of non-violent direct action.” ― Julian Assange

    • James Chater

      Perhaps both are true: your food poisoning is the Kremlin’s “pay”. Seriously though, I hope you get better soon if you are not already. I just read the Orangemen of Togo and previously read Murder in Samarkand and I must say you are very prone to illnessnesses and injury (or murder attempts) but you also very resilient. Long life and good health!

  • Tony_0pmoc

    I thought I was doing well, and that we could never be affected, but then Margaret Thatcher got elected, and almost overnight The Conservative Government shut down nearly all the Wealth Creating Industry (including High Tech) in The North of England…so 8 years later, I was back on the scrap heap – unemployable in The North of England at the age of 27. So many men, so many men no one needs. So I moved on to another town, and my girlfriend came with me. It wasn’t easy – she was very close to her family…and now we didn’t know anyone.

    “Kate Bush & Peter Gabriel – Don’t Give Up”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dduZbDFCG_E

    Tony

    • Courtenay Barnett

      Tony,

      I have an English mate who is a Professor at the University of the West Indies.

      Spoke to him once about his visit back home to family and friends in the north of England. He related stories of friends going to the pub each day drinking their lives away, not because they were lazy, but there simply was no work.

      Sad future.
      Courtenay

    • Sharp Ears

      Tell Brendan Cox. He sent a third of the money raised on GoFundMe to the White Helmets. He set up the fund with others. The amount raised so far, (money is still coming in) is £1,965,402 of £1.5M goal.

      ‘Following the overwhelming generosity of almost 45,000 people in the days and weeks after Jo’s murder, £1.5 million has been divided between 3 organisations which were close to her heart: The Royal Voluntary Service, Hope Not Hate and The White Helmets. Each of these organisations is investing the money to further Jo’s work in Batley and Spen, across the UK and in Syria respectively. We will keep you posted on the progress of this vital work.

      All money donated above £1.5 million will be used to establish The Jo Cox Foundation which will advance the values and causes that Jo fought for in her life.

      In her husband Brendan’s words:

      “Jo believed in a better world and she fought for it every day of her life with an energy, and a zest for life that would exhaust most people. She would have wanted two things above all else to happen now, one that our precious children are bathed in love and two, that we all unite to fight against the hatred that killed her.”

      Let’s come together and give what we can to help create that better world.”

      ——-

      More information:

      This page was originally created by Jo Cox’s friends in London, including Nick Grono (CEO, The Freedom Fund), Tim Dixon (MD, Purpose), Mabel van Oranje (Chair, Girls Not Brides), and Gemma Mortensen (Chief Global Officer, Change.org), in close collaboration with her husband Brendan Cox. Once funds are gathered they will be split between Jo’s favourite causes, chosen by her family.

      We have received several messages asking why there is no option to claim Gift Aid on donations to Jo Cox’s Fund. At this stage that is not possible. The rules for Gift Aid are that it can only be offered to UK taxpayers, and only for donations to UK charities that are registered in the UK.

      If you only wish to give to a charity registered in the UK in order to claim Gift Aid, of course you are more than welcome to donate directly to the Royal Voluntary Service (registered with the Charity Commission in England and Wales number 1015988 and in Scotland number SC038924), or to HOPE not hate’s separate charitable arm, HOPE not Hate Educational Ltd (number 1013880).

      Thank you.’

      Ever been had Brendan?

      • SA

        In the Summer, the labour party held many social activities with proceeds going to the Jo Cox fund, including of course donations to the WH. I am not sure whether Corbyn knows what the WH is all about or whether he is just keeping mum to hold the peace in the party.

      • Macky

        Thanks; it really is beyond disgusting, Syrian civilians being killed in snuff movies in order to blame Assad, so more Syrian civilians can be killed to punish Assad for “killing his own people”.

        • MJ

          A few months earlier there had been a massacre of an Alawite village, hundreds of adults were killed but the children just disappeared. Then the gas attack. Look at the victims – mostly children with distinctive Alawite features. No grieving relatives appeared to tend to the dead.

    • glenn_nl

      What – no chorus of how the NYT can’t be trusted, it’s all fake news and whathaveyou… oh, my mistake. It’s OK to quote MSM sources when you like what they say.

        • glenn_nl

          You can put an “even” in there if you like, it doesn’t alter the fact that when you agree, it’s OK to quote the NYT. When you don’t, you can dismiss it as part of the MSM. Don’t be coy.

          • Macky

            @glenn, don’t you ever get tired of putting-up smearing strawmen to attack ? Nobody has even said that the MSM doesn’t occasionally do some honest reporting; isn’t it exasperating for you to have such a binary take on everything ? !

          • giyane

            This article is very pro-US and pro-Islamic State.
            Yanks are regular fellows who need to send emails to their family.
            Islamic State officials are jobs-worths same as you guys.
            Even Iraqi taxi-drivers do US style 100 mph runs past those nasty injuns.

            I’m afraid , even if the details may be correct, this is a piece of American fiction, made up the those other guys you’ve all seen on your American movies – the guys with regular jobs, who love smoking, who write the news in the back offices of the NYT in nice American films.
            ‘sthere some dope in the coffee this morning? What’s this dreamy American haze?

            This the real world:
            http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/2017/08/us-to-hand-al-raqqa-over-to-isis.html
            http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/2017/09/syria-as-endgame-approaches.html

          • glenn_nl

            Macky: “Nobody has even said that the MSM doesn’t occasionally do some honest reporting […]”

            Actually, they do that pretty often around here – I’m surprised you haven’t noticed. “Oh, that’s just MSM – what do you expect” is a comprehensive dismissal, suitable for explaining away that fact that a massacre occurred at Sandy Hook elementary school, just as one for instance.

      • SA

        It really is not that the NYT produces fake news all the time but even the true ones have a slant. And where is the outrage that is usually the kneejerk reaction to such atrocities if committed by others?

        • glenn_nl

          I don’t think the NYT produces fake news very often at all, SA. The most egregious example of propaganda that it’s come up with in its entire history (AFAIK) was during the build up to the Iraq invasion, when it uncritically printed lies fed to them by Cheney, the latter then going on to repeat these lies on television and waving the NYT article as proof.

          Of course there is a slant, as there is everywhere. It’s rather conservative, and had a pro-Clinton bias. This is usually quite recognisable and found in the opinion pieces.

          What I object to is the outright dismissal of such sources as being all lies, when it’s convenient, but quoting precisely the same sources to make one’s case, when it’s convenient. And – of course – being happy to sit on the sidelines while someone trashes the same source as MSM propaganda when it’s convenient, but having no apparent problem with sources that talk about one-world government takeovers, Illuminati, lizard-people, pro-gun propaganda and secret death camps – as long is they’re saying something you like at that particular moment.

      • J

        Relax Glenn, NYT is bullshit:

        “In the effort to expel ISIS from Iraq and Syria, the coalition has conducted more than 27,500 strikes to date…”

        Almost unadulterated crap. The ‘almost’ is the concession that some of the more obvious obscenities did in fact happen, contrary to years of denial. When NYT is in a position to admit that the US provided air support for the moderate head choppers, that the US targets were Syrian army, Syrian infrastructure and the people of Syria, then it might be worth reading.

        • glenn_nl

          ok, J – perhaps you could refer me to some solid, reliable source of news instead – full of daring investigative journalism, and not even a smidgen of bias let alone false reporting? I’d really like to start reading some of that instead. Thanks in advance.

          • glenn_nl

            No. I was pointing out the, ahem, intriguing position some posters take, when they feel free to dismiss the NYT (together with other similar sources of information) as part of the “MSM” when it suits them. But on the other hand, it’s a perfectly good source to quote when it says something they _do_ agree with.

          • Xavi

            The contempt many people have for media like the NYT stems from its devotion to restricting the bounds of what’s politically acceptable (neoliberalism at home and neo-conservatism/ liberal interventionism abroad). On the rare occasions it steps outside the establishment narrative there’s nothing wrong with independent-minded people expressing approval. There’s nothing hypocritical about it.

          • J

            But that wasn’t the case here:

            “When even the NYT reports on the out of control US killing machine.. brings home just how bad it is”

            The intention and the meaning is fairly clear in the sentence, no approval of NYT as a source of information is even hinted at instead NYT is clearly being held up as a barometer, the pressure of information is such that it (NYT) cannot exclude the real news entirely.

            Perhaps you’re arguing that we cannot quote something unless we approve of it? Or that if we quote something it should be understood as approval?

          • Macky

            Glenn’s argument is incoherent, because he has no argument; he just wants to rant & rave at “Conspiracy Theorists” in general.

            Actually if somebody was conspiracy minded, they might suspect he’s creating a smokescreen to distract from the issue being reported !

            Of course the MSM are free & independent, and don’t take orders from Governments, like putting commercial interests over ethical concerns, right ? Otherwise that will be just another nutty Conspiracy Theory !:

            https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPEyOrsWsAEswo0.jpg:large

          • glenn_nl

            What I’m really getting at is the conundrum that conspiracy theorists want to put onto those with more conventional understandings. Anything coming from the fake-news master Alex Jones is supposed to be treated according to its own merits. A 2-hour video by some nut is offered, and we’re supposed to treat it as an attempt at honest reporting. The fact that all sorts of lies and lunacy came from the very same source is apparently irrelevant.

            On the other hand, countering such risible nonsense by referring to testimony offered and noted by – say – the NYT is dismissed out of hand, because _that_ is MSM and no further consideration past that point is required.

            This isn’t a difficult point I’m making here, so I can only wonder why some find it so hard to understand.

          • Macky

            “This isn’t a difficult point I’m making here, so I can only wonder why some find it so hard to understand.”

            You’re right it’s not difficult, just very childish; you are creating a straw-man stereotype general “Conspriacy Theorist”, and then attacking Posters you don’t agree with, by identifying them with your straw-man. This is not the first time I’ve explained this to you, but you just can’t seem to understand for some reason !

          • glenn_nl

            It’s not a straw man at all, Macky, as you fully well know. The 9/11 thread is chocka-block full of examples of this very thing, along with your pretense at not knowing anything about it.

          • Xavi

            Scepticism of the MSM’s conventional wisdom is hardly confined to far-right conspiracy nuts, is it? Unless that is how you’d catagorize the host of this blog and the majority of the posters.

          • Loony

            If people are paying increasing heed to alternative news (some of which may also be fake) then that in part that is the responsibility of conventional media that has so willfully debased itself.

            Here is another example of fake news – this time from Germany

            https://poland.pl/politics/foreign-affairs/german-court-orders-zdf-tv-station-apologise-smearing-poland/

            There is only one way to deal with mainstream media journalists, and it is this way

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IkZVGqER-8

          • Macky

            Sorry glenn, this is not a new thing, as you have been banging this drum for years now; maybe others can try, but I can’t help you anymore on this.

  • reel guid

    RT this morning with a report on the Saudi blockade of all Yemen’s ports and the effects it is having on the Yemeni people.

    You don’t get that kind of report on Yemen from the BBC.

    RT holds up a mirror to the West and it’s allies and therefore the station has to be denigrated by the British media and establishment. Although establishment politicians aren’t averse to appearing on it and getting a nice fee.

    Even if the Russian government’s reasons for running it are not entirely pure, RT is nevertheless one of the most informative and debate encouraging news channels.

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