Boris Johnson A Categorical Liar 1862


Evidence submitted by the British government in court today proves, beyond any doubt, that Boris Johnson has been point blank lying about the degree of certainty Porton Down scientists have about the Skripals being poisoned with a Russian “novichok” agent.

Yesterday in an interview with Deutsche Welle Boris Johnson claimed directly Porton Down had told him they positively identified the nerve agent as Russian:

You argue that the source of this nerve agent, Novichok, is Russia. How did you manage to find it out so quickly? Does Britain possess samples of it?

Let me be clear with you … When I look at the evidence, I mean the people from Porton Down, the laboratory …

So they have the samples …

They do. And they were absolutely categorical and I asked the guy myself, I said, “Are you sure?” And he said there’s no doubt.

I knew and had published from my own whistleblowers that this is a lie. Until now I could not prove it. But today I can absolutely prove it, due to the judgement at the High Court case which gave permission for new blood samples to be taken from the Skripals for use by the OPCW. Justice Williams included in his judgement a summary of the evidence which tells us, directly for the first time, what Porton Down have actually said:

The Evidence
16. The evidence in support of the application is contained within the applications
themselves (in particular the Forms COP 3) and the witness statements.
17. I consider the following to be the relevant parts of the evidence. I shall identify the
witnesses only by their role and shall summarise the essential elements of their
evidence.
i) CC: Porton Down Chemical and Biological Analyst
Blood samples from Sergei Skripal and Yulia Skripal were analysed and the
findings indicated exposure to a nerve agent or related compound. The samples
tested positive for the presence of a Novichok class nerve agent OR CLOSELY RELATED AGENT.

The emphasis is mine. This sworn Court evidence direct from Porton Down is utterly incompatible with what Boris Johnson has been saying. The truth is that Porton Down have not even positively identified this as a “Novichok”, as opposed to “a closely related agent”. Even if it were a “Novichok” that would not prove manufacture in Russia, and a “closely related agent” could be manufactured by literally scores of state and non-state actors.

This constitutes irrefutable evidence that the government have been straight out lying – to Parliament, to the EU, to NATO, to the United Nations, and above all to the people – about their degree of certainty of the origin of the attack. It might well be an attack originating in Russia, but there are indeed other possibilities and investigation is needed. As the government has sought to whip up jingoistic hysteria in advance of forthcoming local elections, the scale of the lie has daily increased.

On a sombre note, I am very much afraid the High Court evidence seems to indicate there is very little chance the Skripals will ever recover; one of the reasons the judge gave for his decision is that samples taken now will be better for analysis than samples taken post mortem.

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The state and corporate media now have evidence of the vast discrepancy between what May and Johnson are saying, and the truth about the Porton Down scientists’ position. I am afraid to say I expect this to make no difference whatsoever to the propaganda output of the BBC.


1,862 thoughts on “Boris Johnson A Categorical Liar

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  • Billy Bostickson

    I found a very interesting article written by a Dutch expert which goes into some amazing and yet unheard of detail regarding the politics surrounding Novichoks, here is an extract:

    DO IT YOURSELF: PORTON DOWN

    It is ‘highly likely’ that the novichok compound with which double agent Skripal was poisoned is from Russia, Theresa May has said. That is right: it is likely. But it is not certain. It can be concluded from the fact that the British laboratory in Porton Down, which is known to conduct its own research into nerve agents, was so quick to find out that a novichok was used, that Porton Down also had novichok in stock – or used to have. The pure substance is needed to be able to calibrate the analysis equipment.

    Probably all major laboratories that conduct research on poison gas, such as ‘Porton Down’ in England, Edgewood in the US and the Dutch TNO, have already synthesized novichoks a long time ago.

    „That is simply their business,” says an initiate. „The properties of all potential toxins are investigated.” A chemist like Julian Perry Robinson assumes this. „For years, it was only about two things: novichoks and peptides”, he said in an interview with this newspaper in 2014. In February 2006, the then chairman of the scientific advisory board of the OPCW, the Czech Jiri Matousek, said it plainly: in Edgewood, novichoks are being developed.

    It appears from ‘secret’ classified telegrams (WikiLeaks: Cablegate) that the Americans have made sure that he would not dare to say that again.
    (cable links here: https://search.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06PRAGUE319_a.html and here: https://search.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE32931_a.html noticed it is signed by CLINTON!)

    • Sean Lamb

      Billy if it is like sarin and its a binary weapon, you can just mix the two precursors and A-234 will automatically form. For sarin you just mix methylphosphonyl difluoride and isopropyl alcohol for a few seconds and you have your agent

      I am not going to name the two precursors for A-234 because people get a bit tetchy when you do, but study the structure and it is easy to work out. One of them is quite common, the other a number of chemical firms have in their catalogues, albeit no-one has it sitting on their shelves.

      So far I have found Aurora Fine Chemicals, Labseeker, AKos, AOKChem and Angenechem all listing it. Only Labseeker offers a price on the rare precursor of 3300 dollars for 5 grams, the common precursor will cost another 100 dollars. So for less than 3500 dollars you can be the proud owner of around 10 grams of A-234.

    • Dave Lawton

      Yes these Novichok agents were well discussed on Mad scientists forums as far back as 2004 and most likely further back.

  • Poppy Ann Miller

    Screaming at the screen has me vowing not to tune in to mainstream news and current affairs programmes. Self-opinionated and unprofessional. No hint at intelligent, investigative journalism or in questioning government agenda. Always feel better upon reading your analysis – thanks.

    • Sagittarius Rising

      Poppy,

      RT is quite good for professional, intelligent and investigate journalism.

  • Stephen

    Putting aside all the geopolitical reasons for instigating a conflict with Russia.Could this have a UK local element to it and the Tory heartlands. The Tory heartlands are some of the most vociferous opponents to fracking in their postcodes. The Tories have known links to Centrica who already have UK fracking licenses. Centrica have closed their offshore gas storage plant which was about 70% of UK gas storage capacity. Will the Tory gov’t push fracking licenses on their Tory heartlands under the guise of we have no choice because can’t buy gas from Russia (because of new sanctions?)and we won’t be able to keep the light’s on in the coming winter.

    • DiggerUK

      @Stephen, “Putting aside all the geopolitical reasons for instigating a conflict with Russia” ???

      Turkey invades Syria with Free Syrian Army mercenaries, under a Turkish flag.
      This FSA mercenary force comprises mainly ex Al Qaeda, and Islamic State fighters. (GO search engine)
      Turkey is the second biggest military force in NATO.
      Russian involvement in Syria is a thorn in the backside of every government working for regime change in Syria.
      …….I don’t think that Tory strategy in their heartlands is higher up the government agenda. Just saying…_

      • Stephen

        I am not saying there isn’t a bigger agenda at play. I am only theorizing that one part of the picture closer to home may have been overlooked. The timing of the Centrica action on the gas storage is intereating considering it significantly reduces our nation’s energy security at a time when winter weather is becoming more unpredictable for long term forecasters. I guess we will find out either way by winter.

    • Ivan

      Assuming that the Russians were involved, they would be genuinely taken aback by the ferocity of the UK’s reaction, given that are supposed to have ‘form’ in these matters. This has all the hallmarks of a ‘Reichstag Fire’ incident that the Tories are milking for all it is worth.

    • MightyDrunken

      “Under the guise of we have no choice because can’t buy gas from Russia”

      I doubt it as less than 15% of our gas comes from Russia. The government claims the figure is more like 1%.

  • Billy Bostickson

    “But it was extraordinary as well because it went on for such an astonishing length of time. Twenty three years that made it the longest running spy case in the entire history of the Cold War. Unusual as well because one of the things that Cassidy gave to the Russians. Was a deliberately gave. With the approval of the U.S. government. Was a formula for nerve gas. Which was designed to mislead. The Soviets. A very deadly formula. And in addition to that. The two F.B.I. agents were killed in this case. And the true purpose of their mission. Was covered up and until now.”

    Read the Transcript or watch the video interview
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?156370-1/cassidys-run-secret-spy-war-nerve-gas&start=164

  • Albert A

    Those of us poor six-and-five-eighths dependent for knowledge on outside sources will be totally dependent on the reliability of the OPCW to produce an honest report.

    Previous form in Syria and Professor Postol’s findings from MIT do not inspire confidence.

  • Charles

    Wiki has updated its A234 listing

    “Russian ambassador to the UK, Alexander Yakovenko, claimed to have been informed by British authorities that A-234 had been identified as the agent used in the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-234_(nerve_agent)

    For those would be British Jihadists / Mindless Murderers / Lunatics that can re-work the reaction please say a big thank you to Mrs May’s government for making this information widely available.

    If Mrs May had told the truth (the specific poison is not known) then the A 234 recipe / manufacturing method would not be widely available or even known about.

    Mrs May and her stupid government, stupid civil servants and stupid opposition parties have put the national security and public health of this country at extreme serious risk.

    If she wanted to big the story up she could have said this has got the hallmark of Russia all over it and they have form in that department.

    But no she had to mention Novichok. Now it won’t be safe to put your hands on a supermarket trolley without fear that it has been treated with A 234.

    And if an outbreak of copy cat murders breaks out, who is she going to blame? Putin? Good luck with that!

  • Alice

    Thank goodness someone is prepared to do what should have been done in the first place , get to the truth. The government are going to run out of scape goats at this rate. First it was EU , then Gina Miller, the Judges or enemies of the people, then Jeremy Corbyn, remainders , oh Grenfell tower people wanting answers nearly reached scape goat status. Boris is a compulsive liar, the buss, the leave campaign, now let’s pin the blame the Russians.

  • Ivan

    Unless Putin is a monster on the level of Vlad Dracula, it is perplexing why he would have the daughter killed along with her father. These men are professionals, they have a code by which they live. Killing a family member along with the ‘traitor’, went out of style in the Soviet Union with the deaths of Stalin and Beria. Putin has daughters of his own; he has to know that there are limits one cannot cross, without falling afoul of members of his class. For this reason I have given little credence to the idea that Putin himself had ordered a hit.

    • Li Po

      There of course are hypothethic reasons, supporting the idea that Russians were killing with neurotoxin. Brits and CIA should be taken into account, their engagement pobability is equal to that of Russians.
      I see these possible reasons for the attack on Russian officer and british spy Skripal: 1. Vengeance 2. Disabling to leave the country 3. Disrupting Russian elections 4. An excuse for agression. We can’t trust to anybody. The most beautiful lier seems to be Boris J.

  • Bayleaf

    1. I find it highly unlikely that the two people would succumb at exactly the same time to an externally (and therefore inconsistently) applied agent. Assuming that the two of them were actually in some kind of distressed state, I’d lean towards an attack on the park bench with a fast-acting incapacitant, or, less probably, a spiked drink or food back in the restaurant.

    2. The 4-hour period when their mobile telephones were allegedly switched off should not be accepted as fact. It is equally possible that the authorities don’t want to reveal where they went.

    3. Mary Paul is putting forward the suggestion that “judging from the way other countries have expelled Russians there is clearly some high level intelligence being shared which is not being made public”. The “they must know something that we don’t” line of thinking is a dangerous path to take. It is a misconceived to believe that govenments act in a moral way. Instead, their decisions are amoral, and will be based on an assessment of what is the most advantageous approach to take, even if it is (as is likely in this case) immoral and duplicitous.

    • Stephen

      Mobiles being turned off do not mean they are off and can’t be located by security services. I imagine the they can even be tracked if the battery is removed because there is something in them that retains memory. The hypothesis that the security services aren’t going to let us know where they were is the most likely.

      • Kempe

        For that to be possible there’d have to be “something in them”, some kind of auxiliary battery, to keep the transmitter powered up and working.

        Has anyone ever taken a mobile apart and found such a device or indeed proved that they keep transmitting with the battery removed (easy enough to do with the right kit)?

      • Paul Barbara

        @ Stephen March 27, 2018 at 20:13
        When mobiles are switched off, they can still be used by the PTB as transmitters of any sounds around them they can pick up.
        But if the battery is removed, I don’t know, and doubt it.
        Home lines ‘on the hook’ can also be used by the PTB to listen in to anything in the phones’ range (they could do that in 1959!!).
        Craig refers to the capacity of the PTB being able to ‘listen in’ to mobiles that were ostensibly switched off, in his excellent book, ‘Murder in Samarkand’.

    • GK

      It is unlikely that Britain has given some kind of evidence of value to EU countries. Had that been the case, all EU countries would support them. Which is not the case.

    • Mary Paul

      They interviewed a member of the serving staff at the restaurant shortly after it happened and they said it was very unlikely it was put in the food because there were little opportunity to do so, it went straight from kitchen to table and if it was tampered with at the table, they would surely have seen that.

    • SA

      What is even more interesting is that it does not state that the comments were deleted as they usually do. Moreover some comments that were pretty innocuous were also deleted. Should I worry?

      • SA

        Thank godness there are still safe havens where you can express your views without being silenced.

        • Stephen

          A good way of getting around the moderators on these papers is to start with a small comment without making outright accusations and just reply to your own comment with a little more of your comment on each reply. The moderators are quite lazy at times. Yahoo is susceptible to this technique.

    • Paul Barbara

      @ SA March 27, 2018 at 20:39
      The Guardian has turned into absolute shite – they rarely allow comments on our kind of controversial subjects, and when they do, they leave the Comments section open for an extremely short time (when most folk are asleep). I don’t like saying that – I used to swear by the Guardian, it used to be good – I used to read it four/five times a week.
      From your comment it appears they also massively over-moderate.

      But all is not lost – the Independent (which I think is run by the Guardian) has an excellent comment section, often open, and without draconian moderation. So, forget the Grauniad, just check out and comment on the Guardian (the Telegraph isn’t too bad either for moderation).

      • Stephen

        Funnily enough I found the daily mail to have a fairly open comment section. You only have to verify with an email before you can comment. I dumped my theory on how May will screw the Tory heartland before this winter by opening it all up for fracking by Centrica.

      • Stephen

        Hayley Dixon at the Telegraph is a lazy hack and Francesca Elba is a US state dep’t shill funded the a non profit which is funded by the N.E.D.

  • Michael McNulty

    Is this type of attack the next stage in false-flag events? They realize how difficult it is to present crisis actors in staged videos and make it look real. Maybe they’ve now decided to do away with putting together phony footage which can be picked apart, so next we have unseen victims, and in this case one questionable video, and no crisis actors to cock it all up. Just the media saying it really did happen.

    That also means a shift away from evidence-based prosecution and a shift towards accusation-based reaction where they present no evidence to be debunked. It’s a fundamental legal shift, and while this could limit the possibilities for false-flags out in the wider world, such an approach which targets sensitive sites where few of us go (“The Russians can get in, though!”) is potentially huge. Nuclear plants, military bases, any number “attacked”, no victims known, no videos and no amateur ham to screw up that scene. Dictatorship to follow.

  • SeymourS

    BRITISH “BRIEFING DOCUMENT” LEAKED AND PUBLISHED:

    https://www.kommersant.ru/docs/2018/UK_Briefing.pdf

    This is the document used by UK diplomats to brief european counterparts.

    This is the “evidence” offered:

    “Military-grade Novichok nerve agent positively identified by experts at the UK’s Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down, an OPCW-accredited and designated laboratory
    • Novichok is a group of agents developed only by Russia and not declared under the CWC
    • A violation of the fundamental prohibition on the use of chemical weapons (Art. 1 CWC)
    • First offensive use of a nerve agent in Europe since the Second World War
    • We are without doubt that Russia is responsible. No country bar Russia has combined capability, intent and motive. There is no plausible alternative explanation
    • As of Sunday 18 March, we count over thirty parallel lines of Russian disinformation”

    • SeymourS

      Counting off the lies:

      1) Novichok Not “positively identified” by PD, as seen in court decision;
      2) Novichok Not developed “only” by Russia;
      3) Chemical Not even identified directly as “chemical weapon” by PD;
      4) Russia Not the “only” country to have “capability, intent and motive”: any country or non-state actor with a chem lab has “capability”, and a significant number have motive to undemine Russia, with US and UK at the top of the list;
      5) “Russian disinformation” being of course these same “plausible alternative explanations” lack of which May bemoans.

      And this was the crap fed to EU. RIP all theories of “secret intelligence”: this drivel was enough to make euros throw out Ruskie diplos in a hurry. Not about “evidence” at all; only politics.

    • Ivan

      The indictment of Russian activities contains half-truths and lies.

      a) It was the Western interests that destabilised Ukraine, in favour of their own oligarchs. Admittedly Ukraine was not a great example of a constitutionally ordered country, but having torn up the constitution through a coup, with the help of snipers and Victoria Nuland’s – fwck the EU – money, it can hardly be expected that part of the Ukraine that clings to its ties to Russia was going to take things lying down. Since the constitution that held the Ukraine together no longer existed, no one is morally obliged to hold on to the fiction of the territorial integrity of the Ukraine

      b) The Crimea was conquered from the Turks by Nicholas I. Kruschev attached it to the Ukraine, when the old Soviet Union was around. It belongs to Russia if for no other reason than its people being overwhelmingly Russian, prefer the Russian State. It also happens to host the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

      c) While I go with the theory that a Russian origin BUK brought down MH17, the speed which the US and certain Europeans pinned it on the Russian state has all the hallmarks of a similar smear campaign way back in 1983 when KAL 007 was brought down. Then too, the Americans immediately pushed the line that the Soviets deliberately targeted a civilian since they were heartless beasts, rather than as it turned out a tragic mistake by the Soviet pilot, who suspected that it was a spy plane. The Ukranians and IATA did not close that airspace even though a number of Ukranian planes had already been shot down earlier, they bear some moral responsibility for the outcome. I find it strange that Malaysians were not sitting on the investigative panel, given that it was their plane – though of course they did cover themselves with glory over their handling of the missing MH370 case a few months earlier.

  • saluspopuli.org

    Here is an interesting report on US Pentagon programs at Porton Down. Details of US-UK cooperation at this facility have not been evident in the press. Nonetheless, this report, tries to fill the gap:

    “The Pentagon has spent at least $70 million on military experiments involving tests with deadly viruses and chemical agents at Porton Down – the UK military laboratory near the city of Salisbury. The secretive biological and chemical research facility is located just 13 km from where on 4th March former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were found slumped on a bench following an alleged Novichok nerve agent poisoning.

    nformation obtained from the US federal contracts registry reveals that the Pentagon’s Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) has funded a number of military projects performed at the UK Defence Science and Technology Laboratory (DSTL), or Porton Down, over the last decade. Among them: experimental respiratory infection of non-human primates (marmosets) with Anthrax, Ebola virus, Marburg virus, Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus, Western equine encephalitis virus, and Eastern equine encephalitis virus. The US Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) has also funded experiments on animals which were exposed to chemical agents such as Sulfur Mustard and Phosgene gas. Phosgene gas was used as a chemical weapon during World War I where it was responsible for about 85 % of the 100,000 deaths caused by chemical weapons.

    DTRA has also been granted full access to DSTL scientific and technical capabilities, and test data under a 2011 contract for the collaboration and exchange of scientific and technical capabilities with the UK Ministry of Defence…..”

    https://southfront.org/salisbury-nerve-agent-attack-reveals-70-million-pentagon-program-porton/

  • Charles

    It will be 4 weeks this week (Easter Sunday) that Russia conducted a Military Grade Chemical Weapon (Nerve Agent) Attack on the streets of Salisbury. The barbaric and unwarranted act attracted global condemnation and diplomatic reprisals from 23 countries horrified by the inhumane action directed towards Britain by Russia. Or so we are told.

    So 4 weeks on what do we know?

    Well it is probably easier to start with what we don’t know; Who did it? Why? What was the Chemical used? Where did the Chemical come from?

    Which is surprising given the strength of words and actions taken against Russia. Russia offered immediate help in any way they could when the crisis erupted, their offer was rejected. When accused the Russians asked for evidence and a sample of the toxin, these requests were refused. Russia has asked for consular access to the victims, this was also refused. Britain has not attempted to bring family and close friends from Russia to Britain to be with the victims who may not have very long to live.

    An international team of experts has come to investigate the incident however some of the team may have come from countries that have already found Russia guilty as charged and begun sanctions against them.

    In a Court of Law the Standard of Proof required to Test the Evidence and deliver a Guilty Verdict is “Beyond Reasonable Doubt”. In the Salisbury Case No Evidence has been Tested, No Standard of Proof has been Applied.

    We do know that a senior consultant at Salisbury A&E wrote to the Times and stated nobody in Salisbury had been affected by a Nerve Agent, the consultant (Dr Stephen Davies) has not been heard of since and no one form the Hospital, Police or Government has retracted or corrected the Consultants Statement. The media have gone dumb on this bombshell dropped by the doctor.

    There has been no explanation as to why it was a Detective Sergeant that was first on the scene when it was first thought that the two people on the bench were suffering from the effects of alcohol or drugs. The Detective was contaminated by a poison but it is not known where he became contaminated or if the poison that he came in to contact with was the same that harmed the other two victims. It is known he was treated with the correct antidote, recovering well enough to be discharged from hospital.

    The government has issued statements that the Toxin is a Weaponised Military Grade Nerve Agent from a group of Killer Nerve Agents called Novichoks Developed by Russia but that the public should not be alarmed, if a member of the public thinks they may have been contaminated they should cleanse the affected area with baby wipes and put their clothes through a normal laundry cycle.

    The people of Salisbury, Britain and the World have not been told the truth about the Salisbury incident but the misleading and absent information has led to extremely serious political repercussions around the world. It is not unimaginable, depending on Putin’s response, that the situation could escalate into war or worse a nuclear world war.

    The people of Salisbury and the planet deserve the truth.

    • SA

      Charles
      Thanks for an excellent summary. Two things worth emphasising: the advice given to clean your mobile phones with baby wipes which was inconsistent with the suspicion of the presence of a deadly agent and then the later advice about handing over clothes to be disposed of and also increasing rumours that ‘up to 130 people’ could have been affected’ with similar vague language to what his been used throughout. The second point is the missing surveillance and linked to that the absence of a public warning to describe any suspect and the absence of even talk of suspicion of someone the police would like to find, other than of course Vladimir Vladimirovich.
      The other thing worth mentioning is that the language used by the politicians in this case has been appalling. This is not international deplonacy it is gauding and provocation.
      This is also all to be linked with what is happening in Syria. The majority of the East Ghouta pocket has been liberated except for the town of Douma. Reconciliation agreements have been reached with other towns and the rebels have agreed to be transported to Idlib. Jaysh al Islam is refusing to surrender Douma despite overwhelming odds and Niki Haley is again upping the rhetoric about Ghouta being a travesty, whilst the mainstream media are ignoring the scenes of jubilation that the liberated citizens have shown. I wonder what big secrets are hidden in Douma? I don’t know whether Douma will be allowed to be liberated without serious aggressive action by one of the many invaders to avoid this and destroy the evidence of serious collusion with the rebels.
      Tit is also clear to me that the talk has now shifted from details about this incident to emphasis on ‘isolating Russia ‘ which is really the purpose of this episode.

  • Mary Paul

    Good round up of story so far by Matt Frei on Despatches on Channel 4. Of course it leaves out some stuff but it’s not bad within the time constraints. You can watch it on All 4 (channel 4 catch-up).

    • GK

      This round up includes a story that is tragedy for all Russians. This guy Alexei Navalny hi is exploding the situation. Somehow the western media managed to film him and his entourage screaming Russian without Putin. It’s disgusting. They do not protest against Putin, they protest against the corrupt officials and want answer. And unlike in some other countries, they will receive long prison sentences. That is, those who are responsible for this tragedy.

      • GK

        And not surprising that the video about the protest is from “здесь и сейчас” which is BBC. It’s disgusting.

  • Seppo Haavisto

    The Old Witch is a shameless liar as his liar lackeyBoris Johnson too! No evidence, only the pure LIES !!

    • Seppo Haavisto

      Suomen johtoporukka, samoin kuin ääliöt Euroopassa ja USA:ssa ovat niin saatanan tyhmiä, että lähtevät mukaan Englannin sisäpolitiikan tarpeisiin tehtyyn törkeään juoneen! Tämänhän piti alunalkaen olla vain Toryn vaalimainos, ja nyt se sotkee koko maailman politiikkaa!

      The leadership of Finland, as well as the whistles in Europe and the USA, are so stupid that they are leaving for the brutal plot of England’s internal politics! This is that it was a matter of being just a Tory election advertisement and now it’s messing around the world’s politics!

  • Billy Bostickson

    Here is a summary of certain evidence that has emerged through investigations:

    1. That Novichok type nerve agents were developed at Edgewood in the USA and any mention of it (or the book “State Secrets”) was censored as far as possible by the UK and USA via Cablegate/Wikileaks:
    https://search.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06PRAGUE319_a.html
    https://search.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE32931_a.html

    2. We have evidence that the USA had a deception program running for 24 years or more involving Cassady to convince the USSR that the USA had developed a new nerve agent and waste resources on trying to develop it via Cassidy’s Run: The Secret Spy War Over Nerve Gas By David Wise (searchable on Google Books).
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?156370-1/cassidys-run-secret-spy-war-nerve-gas&start=164

    3. We have evidence via Uglev, Rink and others that the USSR succeeded in developing a whole family of nerve agents (100 plus compounds) based on the original disinformation campaign, each one with different toxicity. via War of Nerves. Chemical Warfare from World War I to Al-Qaeda by Jonathan B. Tucker (Published 2006) https://archive.org/details/B-001-000-016

    4. We have further evidence that these compounds were used to murder a banker in 1995 and were sold by Rink to criminal gangs after the break up of the USSR.
    https://meduza.io/en/news/2018/03/20/one-of-the-russian-inventors-of-novichok-says-russia-isn-t-to-blame-also-he-may-have-sold-poisons-from-his-garage-in-the-1990s

    5. It is believed that Rink continued to work on this program as he received a one year suspended sentence and then disappeared from the public eye until recently he emerged ‘echoing” Kremlin arguments.
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/758071 (Chrome Right Click, translate to English)

    6. We have allegations from two individuals (Victoria and Tamara) in Russia that Julia Skripal’s boyfriend worked for Russian Intelligence in some capacity and that his mother “high up in the structure” was intent on stopping their forthcoming marriage and paid a criminal gang of ex-KGB officers to poison her.by tampering with some item in her suitcase:

    “Yulia Skripal’s cousin Victoria Skripal told Russian television she believed the attack was revenge against Yulia by a vengeful prospective mother-in-law. Victoria Skripal said Yulia, 33, had argued with her unnamed boyfriend’s mother after the boyfriend had announced to his family they wanted to have children,The Skripals believe the prospective mother-in-law, who is a highly ranked Russian security agent, was angry that her son was serious about Yulia because she was the daughter of a double agent who had betrayed scores of Russian agents. Victoria, 45, from Yaroslavl, told the Mash Telegram TV channel: “My opinion is that it was done not against Uncle Sergei, but against his daughter. “The mother didn’t accept Yulia and thought that, if she was a traitor’s daughter, then she herself would betray her country.
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/poisoned-russians-cousin-claims-yulia-skripal-was-target-of-vengeful-potential-motherinlaw/news-story/2018fb0f6d848bf19704813421160f71
    https://meaww.com/read/news/sergei-skripals-niece-claims-that-his-daughter-was-the-real-target-of-the-nerve-agent-attack

    7. This suitcase theory was also initially alleged by “intelligence sources” via the Telegraph 14 days ago
    Nerve toxin used on ex-spy ‘was planted in daughter’s suitcase’
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/nerve-toxin-used-on-ex-spy-was-planted-in-daughter-s-suitcase-20180316-p4z4nn.html

    8. We now have the name of the boyfriend and photographs of him with Julia despite her previous attempts to delete all photographs of him form her social media profiles. (Denis Dementyev, who works at Nike in Moscow), Photographs of him taken with Julia Skripal can be seen here: http://valet.ru/user/95338/

    Conjecture:

    9. Given the widespread dispersal of the nerve agent in several different locations in Salisbury (BMW, Graveyard, Door, House, Suitcase, Zizzis, Pub, etc) and the delayed reaction time of the Skripals to the agent, tt is believed that an item of clothing was involved as the carrier which had been contaminated with a generally undetectable nerve agent (without specialist equipment)

    10. We are awaiting confirmation of his parents current positions in the Russian government and evidence of possible links between his mother and Leonard Rink and a criminal gang of ex-KGB officers

    Call me Sherlock effing Poirot, but I think I’ve nearly cracked this case, mateys!

    • GK

      I can give an interesting fact. This don’t mean anything but, Julia has visit her vKontakt profile, (Russian Facebook), three day after she was poisoned. Maybe the police went thru her phone or maybe she did.
      https://vk.com/y.skripal

    • Bayleaf

      The now apparently abandoned theory of the contaminated suitcase was never plausible since it would not have resulted in two people being affected at exactly the same time, ie while sitting on a park bench. The timing and dose received by each person would have differed and they would have succumbed at differing times.

      That leads me to point 9 of your theory: What is this mysterious item of clothing that is supposed to have contaminated both individuals so that they both became incapacitated *at the same time*? Which individual wore it and why did the alleged contaminant equally affect the other person who didn’t wear it and who no doubt has different physical characteristics, such as age, weight and body mass? These are glaring inconsistencies when considering any theory of prior, delayed-reaction contamination. We can reasonably conclude that it didn’t happen that way.

      • Billy Bostickson

        The theory about the item of clothing is just conjecture 😉 because otherwise I don’t see how the nerve agent was detected in several locations. I’m trying to follow the great British tradition of making the facts fit the (suit) case until we have more details.

        The other possibility is that they opened a present (chocolates), a cigar (was Skripal an occasional smoker?), a wee bag of coke (did they indulge?), a slug of vodka, or it’s all a set up and they had toxic shellfish poisoning from the angry chef’s gift on a plate (but then that would discount the allegations of Skripal’s family in Russia about the mother-in-law) and contradict the alleged dispersal of the nerve agent in many different locations.

        What’s your Theory then?

        • Bayleaf

          The most straightforward explanation for two people of different ages, weight and BMI to become incapacitated at the same time on a park bench is for them to have been contaminated either very soon before sitting down or while they were sitting down. Ergo, the “reports” of contamination occurring in multiple locations elsewhere in Salisbury are either false or the, less likely, the evidence was planted.

          One then has to ask what was it that the authorities are actually supposed to have found in and around Salisbury, since the chemical traces would not have been broken down by the metabolic changes that occur once inside the body. Instead, the chemical would have degraded according to its half-life in the atmosphere and would have retained a portion of its original chemical signature.

          All these stories of contaminated sites, suitcases, air conditioning, etc are simply chaff being thrown up in an attempt to muddy the waters. I suggest that the amount of chaff being thrown around is directly related to the importance of obscuring the true facts from the British people and the wider world.

          • Billy Bostickson

            @Bayleaf

            “Ergo, the “reports” of contamination occurring in multiple locations elsewhere in Salisbury are either false or the, less likely, the evidence was planted.”

            You are making a big claim there, do you have any evidence for this theory?

            Can you think of any other explanation that would fit as many of the “facts” as possible?

          • Bayleaf

            @Billy Bostickson

            I seem to be unable to reply directly to you.

            “You are making a big claim there, do you have any evidence for this theory?”

            It is not a theory; it is a logical consequence of concluding that any chemical agent would have to be administered close to the park in order for both victims to have been affected at the same time.

            We only have the word of the authorities that there was contamination in multiple locations, so far removed from being independent evidence.

            I note that some other people in this thread are coming around to the view that any poison would have had to be administered in or close to the park. There are logical conclusions to be drawn from such a conclusion that destroy the official narrative.

          • Billy Bostickson

            Suppose your claim is true, that does not preclude that the Skripals opened a package on the park bench (The Times reported initially that a package was taken a way for analysis) and were exposed to the nerve agent.

            The package could have been inside Julia’s handbag and equally possibly it could have been inside her suitcase arriving from Moscow the day before.

            Would you agree?

          • Bayleaf

            @Billy Bostickson

            “Suppose your claim is true, that does not preclude that the Skripals opened a package on the park bench (The Times reported initially that a package was taken a way for analysis) and were exposed to the nerve agent.

            The package could have been inside Julia’s handbag and equally possibly it could have been inside her suitcase arriving from Moscow the day before.”

            There is no evidence to support that theory, which is just unhelpful conjecture.

            However, if we accept the idea that any poisoning must have occurred in or near the park, we must accept that the report of multiple sites being contaminated is a lie.

          • G.Bng

            Today sources from the police are apparently saying they “believe” they “may” have been contaminated by the poison being applied to the front door… whether that’s the door itself was smeared, the door-handle, or the key lock, who knows but it would be strange a) that they both touched the same part of the door that was contaminated, and b)that a military grade nerve agent only kicked in several hours later allowing them to drive around, have a drink at the pub and a meal at the restaurant. It could happen but it still seems a bit too hit and miss for a serious and targeted assassination attempt.

  • Paul Hunter

    This is a sort of fence sitting article, which however reinforces much of the research mentioned in this comments section. The new info is the interview with former senior official at the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) from 1993 to 2006, Dr Ralf Trapp:

    Former OPCW official: no conclusive proof of Russian complicity in Salisbury attack

    But Russia’s denial of past ‘Novichok’ programmes is misleading

    By Nafeez Ahmed

    https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/former-opcw-official-no-conclusive-proof-of-russian-complicity-in-salisbury-attack-1ae3749ba38e

    – Nerve agent found in Salisbury does not conclusively prove Russian complicity
    – Russia’s denial of a Novichok programme is true but misleading?—?a secret nerve agent programme to create Novichok-type agents was run under a different name
    – Western states have extensively researched and synthesized the Novichok class of agents
    – Novichok was most recently synthesized by Iran, details of which were provided to the OPCW
    – Russian Novichok stockpiles were destroyed in the 1990s, but it is theoretically possible that some capability still exists, though no evidence for this is available

  • Alistair MacDonald

    Is this not the same scenario as polonium 210 where the world or at least the western part of it were told it had to from Russia which is a provable lie any one with nuclear capability can produce it and is widely used in the textile industry, but as I see it the key to all these lies is the ownership and control of the fourth estate as a recent documentary by channel 4 titled rather subtlety called RUSSIAN SPY ASSASSINS ;THE SALISBURY ATTACK .By a true colossus of journalism MATT FREI . I doubt he is getting the 30000 dollars a day that Rachel Maddow gets but I have no doubt they share the same trough .Gone are the days when Channel 4 would make a documentary ,and come to the conclusion that it was a false flag operation as they did when they claimed that British and American intelligence were the likely killers of that poor woman god bless her W.P.C. Fletcher.

  • Albert A

    A frightening thought. What if May’s fulminations in parliament againsr Russia over Salibury were not primarily directed against Putin at all but against Corbyn, knowing that his intellectual integrity would compel him, in contrast to the leaders of ALL the other parties, to question the House’s frantic rush to join the bandwagon , and ask for calm consideration of ALL the evidence.?

    • Going Postal

      Seriously? ‘Jeremy Corbyn’ and ‘intellectual integrity’ in the same sentence?

      “Jeremy Corbyn left school with just two A-levels – both at E-grades.”

  • Billy Bostickson

    Chemical Weapons in Russia: History, Ecology, Politics
    [Khimicheskoye Oruzhiye V Rossii: Istoriya, Ekologiya, Politika ]
    by Doctor of Chemical Sciences Lev Aleksandrovich Fedorov Moscow
    Center of Ecological Policy of Russia
    1994 [27 July 1994]
    Third Generation Chemical Weapons

    The advent of third generation chemical weapons in the Soviet Union was a direct consequence not only of the Cold War, but also of attempts of the MCC to “keep itself alive.” These weapons embody dual advances in special chemistry: not only new types of TC [45], but also more effective means of combat use (binary weapons [46] and multiple warheads [47]).
    The development of new OTC that became the basis for third generation chemical weapons dates from 1973-1976 [48, 49]. This was followed by technological research, production of experimental lots and many years of combat tests of various munitions [29, 48- 50] that were completed in 1991-1992 [29]. As a whole, the “Foliant” program [51] yielded five promising OTC of a new type [48]. One of these (A-232, “novichok-5” [36]) turned out to be convenient for combat use in binary form (Soviet V-gas has also been made for use in binary form [43, 46, 48]). The concluding cycle of research within the scope of the “Foliant” target program [51] was conducted in fulfillment of Decree of the CPSU Central Committee and the USSR Council of Ministers No 131-24 dated 25 March 1983, and a special Decree of the CPSU Central Committee and the USSR Council of Ministers No 844-186 on research to develop binary weapons was promulgated on 6 October 1989 when perestroyka was at its height [52].
    The services of the MCC leaders in developing third generation chemical weapons were rewarded with prizes and other honors [36]:
    • “solution of special problems”–State Prize, 1978 (A. Ye. Gusakov, I. B. Yevstafyev, V. A. Romanchuk, L. S. Shevnitsyn et al.),
    • “Foliant” program–State Prize, 1981 (N. N. Kovalev, V. K. Pikalov, O. I. Stuzhuk, A. G. Shkuro et al.),
    • “solution of special problems”–State Prize, 1982 (A. M. Ivanov, Yu. I. Musiychuk, G. A. Patrushev, V. V. Pozdnev et al.),
    • binary weapons–Lenin Prize, 1991 (A. D. Kuntsevich, V. A. Petrunin et al.),
    • binary weapons–State Prize, 1991 (R. K. Balchenko, I. B. Yevstafyev, N. N. Kovalev, G. S. Leonov et al.).
    Data are not available about the combat characteristics of third generation chemical weapons. It is only known that the new chemical weapons are superior to American VX, and that they practically defy medical treatment [53]. Among their other features are relative simplicity of manufacture and accessibility of raw material [54].
    Developments of new TC of the third generation and technologies for producing them were concentrated in GSNIIOKhT and its Volsk affiliate [48, 49]. Two victims of these developments are known: former GSNIIOKhT employees A. N. Zheleznyakov and L. A. Lipasov [97].
    GSNIIOKhT and institutes and other organizations of the MCC in general maintained especially close contacts with academic science of the Soviet Union. In 1992, Western authors made this assessment of the wartime and post-war level of these contacts: “It can be assumed with certainty that academic scholars of the USSR have been enlisted in the development of new agents that are made by enterprises producing TC of paralytic nerve action… Although there is no doubt that the efforts of many scientists have been joined in this work, it would seem that six of them have been responsible for Soviet advances: V. M. Plets, A. Ye. Arbuzov, S. I. Volfkovich, M. I. Kabachnik, V. A. Kargin and I. L. Knunyants. The first four have done research relating to tabun” [11].
    A similar assessment resounded in the official Russian press in 1993: “Representatives of the science schools of academicians Zelinskiy, Knunyants, Fokin and Kabachnik have been working at the institute” [meaning GSNIIOKhT — L.F.] [40]. We might add a personage not included in this assessment, a member of the Russian Academy of Sciences and lieutenant-general of chemical forces, A. D. Kuntsevich, quoting his own self-appraisal: “I have managed to form and head up a large scientific and practical school that has achieved considerable results in the field of fundamental and applied problems relating to the reactivity of organophosphorus agents” [41].
    11. Krause, J., Mallory, C. K., “Chemical Weapons in Soviet
    Military Doctrine. Military and Historical Experience,
    1915-1991,” Boulder, Westview Press, 1992, 247 pp.
    40. KRASNAYA ZVEZDA, 16 June 1993.
    41. KRASNAYA ZVEZDA, 22 October 1993.
    45. KURANTY (Moscow), 10 October 1991.
    46. KURANTY (Moscow), 23 January 1993.
    47. SEGODNYA (Moscow), 13 January 1994.
    48. NOVOYE VREMYA (Moscow), No 6, 1993, pp 40-41.
    49. MOSKOVSKIYE NOVOSTI, No 5, 31 January 1993.
    50. NOVOYE VREMYA (Moscow), No 50, 1992, pp 46-49.
    51. BALTIMORE SUN, 18 October 1992.
    52. “Materials of Inquiry Against V. S. Mirzayanov,” 1993.
    53. MOSKOVSKIYE NOVOSTI, No 50, 8 December 1993.
    54. MOSKOVSKIYE NOVOSTI, No 44, 31 October 1993.
    97. SEGODNYA (Moscow), 16 October 1993.

    https://fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/cbw/jptac008_l94001.htm

  • SA

    BBC war mongering this morning Sarah montage egging the navy and raf spokesmen (yes they are men, we should call for gender equality amongst squadron leaders and rear admirals), into saying Russia is the threat and that’s is why we need more weapons than hospitals.
    How about a big drive for gender equality in the forces.

  • Frank

    My view: The Skripals were paralyzed/poisoned in the park. Watch the picture of the CCTV cam only yards away and minutes before they were found slumped on the bench. Based on this evidence there are some compelling conclusions.

    The UK Media provide the public with all the info it needs. I have to give it to them. When the people do not want to know the truth, it’s not the media that’s to blame.

  • Mary Paul

    Since watching the Matt Frei Despatches documentary on Channel4 last night, another thought occurs. The docu showed some footage of people describing how they saw the Skripals in the park. One young man said he was vomiting and she was lying on the ground and there was also an account that people were working on them.. In the reports about the original research scientist who invented Novichok type poisons and inhaled one, he did not due on the spot but he got outside the building and down the road before he collapsed. Let us suppose for a minute that the Skripals had a few minutes leeway, Sergei Skripal was a very experienced agent. Supposing he realised what was happening to them and had time to make an emergency call to his Mi6 contact before he collapsed. Maybe that accounts for why DS Bailey was sent to the scene – he was the nearest available reliable CID officer. Interesting too that the young man said Skripal was vomiting and people were attending to him. Yet we are told noone apart from DS Bailey has been affected. Maybe Skripal was able to pass on info which in turn affected Bailey’s movements afterwards.?

    Also regarding my other report of an interview by John Sparkes of Sky news with Vorodensky (sorry if that is wrong spelling, there is no edit button here to make corrections) – about the Russians working on chemical weapons at a science lab in Syria which the Israelis bombed in December. The Israelis have been bombing this lab regularly. Maybe we should look at the wording if official reports again. Do they refer to a nerve agent developed IN Russia or developed BY Russia?

    • Ivan

      I wont give the Israelis any credence. In the past they were bombing what they called Hizballah convoys, chemical weapon sites and nuclear facilities in Syria with some regularity, all in the name of imminent threats to the security of Israel. But when an F-16 was shot down, suddenly its all gone quite. Either what is happening in Syria is a threat to them and they have to take action regardless of the losses, or they were bullshitting all this time about the real extent of the threat from Syria. My money is on the latter, since they can no longer view the Syrians as a bombing range.

      • Mary Paul

        there are plenty of press reports they have been bombing this lab,unless they are all fake news.

  • Billy Bostickson

    It’s not a bad thing that Russia has weaponised “Novichok” or “Foliant” as a way to overcome NATO superiority in tactical nuclear weapon deployment in Europe. and avoid an expensive arms race.
    It might give NATO second thoughts about expanding itself so close to Russia;s borders and teach the Brits and Yanks some sorely needed lessons in polite behavior when dealing with equals instead of bullying weaker nations and murdering their leaders.
    Personally, I don’t believe Putin was behind this so-called “attack”,
    it seems to me a combination of British attempts to smoke out the Russian’s nerve agent warfare capacity and a possible murder/poison attempt by unknown (albeit likely Russians) actors which went wrong.

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