Scotland Must Defend Carla Ponsati; Sturgeon Cannot Play Pontius Pilate 1033


It is sickening that Spanish courts continue to jail, and remove from political life, Catalan politicians who are the victors in democratic elections. That the European political class and media is almost entirely complicit and supportive in this truly vicious repression of the Catalan people, has shocked many of us to our core, and made us realise how thin is the veneer of democracy and how fragile are the rights we believed we held.

If the UK were any kind of a democracy, opposition parties would have held firm against the rush to conflict with Russia, until serious and thorough investigation of the Skripal case had yielded real results. At the very least, you would expect to see a select committee of the House of Commons call the head of Porton Down to give evidence and quiz him about the level of certainty they have of the identity and the Russian manufacture of the substance which poisoned the Skripals.

Instead, we have seen all the establishment parties fall over themselves to appear as belligerent and faux-Churchillian as May and her pipsqueaks, in order to placate the tabloids. This is ludicrous. You cannot out-jingo the Tories, and the rush to increase international tension benefits nobody except the armaments and security industries.

I am obliged to say I was disgusted by Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP leadership and their premature condemnations of Russia. By coincidence I spent much of last week at pro-Indy events and I have to say I found this disgust almost universal.

The odd voice was prepared to offer the usual Nicola excuse of “She is trying not to alienate the Unionists”. But what is the point of not alienating the Unionists by, to all intents and purposes, becoming a Britnat yourself? The continued failure – for years now – of the SNP to argue to the public the case for Independence, the attempt to dodge Indyref2, all of it leaves me to feel that the SNP leadership have got their feet under the table within the UK, as a form of controlled opposition.

The SNP leadership are far happier talking about which powers devolve to Holyrood from Brussels, and which stay at Westminster, than they are talking about Independence. I don’t give a damn about the precise contours of the devolution settlement; I want my country to be free of Westminster entirely, and soon.

We are not yet subject to the extreme state repression afflicting our counterparts in Catalonia, but you can be certain the Tories have noted the template, and that other Western political leaders will support them if they start putting people like me in the pokey for thirty years for sedition. Sadly it has become abundantly clear that there is no danger of the highly paid SNP elected representatives, their SPADs, and party bureaucrats, ever putting themselves in that position.

They would be with those handing down the sentences, as their attitude to Carla Ponsati shows.

Just as MEPs lined up one after another in the European Parliament to defend Francoist thugs batoning grandmothers trying to vote as the “rule of law”, and use the same excuse for lengthy sentences for political prisoners, so there was an echo of this distancing in Nicola Sturgeon’s response to the extradition of Catalan campaigner Carla Ponsati through the Scottish courts, potentially to spend the rest of her life in a Spanish jail just for peacefully campaigning for freedom for her country.

Nicola referred to “the fact our justice system is legally obliged to follow due process in the determination of extradition requests”. She too is hiding behind “the rule of law” and thus turning a blind eye to the Francoist attack on fundamental rights.

Very few voters of the SNP put Nicola Sturgeon into parliament in order to warm her toes at the Robert Adam fireplaces at Bute House, while Catalan leaders are dragged from Scotland to a terrible repression. The SNP leadership have become far too adept at speaking with British Establishment voices and thinking with British Establishment minds.

At some stage they have to accept that achieving Scottish Independence is in itself a revolutionary act, and that it will never be achieved without real constitutional conflict with the UK, the sort of political conflict which has attended the birth of every independent state. If you are afraid to do something “unconstitutional” under the present repressive system, you have no right to pretend to be a part of the Independence movement.

For Sturgeon to hide behind the Edinburgh High Tory Scottish legal establishment and wash her hands, Pontius Pilate like, over the extradition of Carla Ponsati is simply unacceptable.

Saving this brave woman is as noble a cause to launch a constitutional crisis as one might wish for. The Holyrood parliament must pass a Bill forbidding the extradition of Ponsati and the Scottish government must order Police Scotland to enforce it. We need finally to show we are serious about challenging the UK. If Sturgeon declines, then the Scottish people must physically defend Ponsati. And the Independence movement must fundamentally reconsider its leadership and strategy.


1,033 thoughts on “Scotland Must Defend Carla Ponsati; Sturgeon Cannot Play Pontius Pilate

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  • Republicofscotland

    Damning testaments from head teachers from England and Wales, of the extent of child poverty in poorer areas. Children are filling their pockets with food at school because they’re so hungry.

    Teachers say that the malnourished children are gaunt, greyish in skin colour, with poor teeth and hair, and are visibly very thin.

    Still I’m sure they’ll take comfort from the billions that are to be spent on renewing Trident, nuclear subs, the two aircraft carriers, and the hundreds of billions still to be spent on jets that launch from the carriers.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/education-43611527?__twitter_impression=true

    • What's going on?

      Read between the lines of the story:

      The country is too poor to carry out Brexit.

      I’m a remainer and I realise how damaging Brexit will be, but it’s interesting how the NHS and schools are suddenly in crisis at this time.

      • Republicofscotland

        “The country is too poor to carry out Brexit.”

        Yes I think you’re correct, however the front bench of the Tory government are mostly millionaires. Brexit isn’t for the benefit of us, but for the benefit, of them.

        Regardless, of how bad things get economy wise, no matter how much the poor and disabled suffer, they’ll still do alright, you won’t see them go hungry, with the heavily subsidised HoC and HoL at hand, and corporate donors, who’ve benefited from their judgements, waiting in the wings to give them a well paid cushy consulting job, when the public tires of them.

        Or a short jaunt into the HoL, awaits them, of course the job title of consultant for a ex-politico, is really just cash for access to the political process, via the consultant.

        • reel guid

          And they’re on holiday again. No sooner were the MPs back from the February recess. And then there’s another week or so break in May. Unbelievably they’re on holiday – or recess as they euphemistically call it – again straddling late May into June. Then a nice two month paid holiday awaits in the summer.

          The Commons only sits for about 150 days a year. And a lot of them swing the lead when they’re there. Then there’s the ermine brigade and their £300 a day allowance.

          The Scottish Parliament works a lot harder, is not the boys club WM is, and has to put up with far more denigration from the MSM.

          Make Scotland’s Parliament independent and not dictated to by the troughers by the Thames.

        • knuckles

          Hey, leave will and kate alone. There’s a wedding coming up and they’re stressed…

          By the way Goodwin, are you happy that a large chunk of your tax pay goes straight into the pocket of a Lockheed Martin exec? Those Davos ski trips don’t pay for themselves.

        • N_

          Hungry weans = full bellies for the rich

          Oops sorry. By “rich” I mean “tiny minority of highly community-spirited people-servers who deserve everything they’ve got and who are making a personal sacrifice every time they allow a prole any kind of dignity, food, or shelter”

  • reel guid

    The Times reports that Australia is telling the English government that a post brexit trade deal would entail accepting hormone treated beef from down under. At present Scotland is protected from such beef by the EU. And the returning powers rightfully belong to the Scottish Parliament under the 1998 Scotland Act. So we would still be protected from such beef.

    SNP minister Mike Russell points out that the English government plan to impose an agricultural & food safety framework on the Scottish Parliament means we’d have that dodgy Aussie beef with no say whatsoever. That’s only one example of the kind of things that will be imposed.

    Scotland did not vote 75% Yes to a parliament in Edinburgh in 1997 in order to have it rolled back and that we’d become a full colony of England twenty years later. Even the pre-devolution Scottish Office had more powers than what the Tories now intend Holyrood to end up having.

    Tell people.

    The Powers Are Ours. Not England’s.

    • fred

      “At present Scotland is protected from such beef by the EU. ”

      We get nothing but the best Polish horse meat in out Tesco lasagne.

      • reel guid

        The nation of Scotland voted to remain in the EU but is being forced to leave. Scotland , people and parliament, does not seek devolution being undermined but that is being attempted. If there was a genuine British government none of that would be happening. But it is being done by a government Scotland does not support and it is the government of England, even if it does not officially call itself by that name.

        An English government minister likens the parliament of Scotland to Lincolnshire County Council and regards them to be on a par with each other. Only an English government would take such a line.

        There is no British government. If there ever was one, there certainly isn’t one now. Nor will there ever be another.

        England wants a Euroref. ‘British’ government decides Scotland has no veto. England votes Leave. ‘British’ government Scotland didn’t vote into office denies Scotland an indyref. ‘British’ government attempts devo power grab. Ergo ‘British government’ is a fiction, a front, a charade, a con trick, a fake.
        It is English government that runs Scotland. Now more than ever.

        P.S. English Votes For English Laws. Yet SNP amendments for Scottish legislation at Westminster voted down by the massed ranks of English MPs. That’s English government. Not that I’ve at all got anything against English government………………..for England.

        “I don’t understand why we let someone else rule our land, cap in hand.”
        The Proclaimers

    • Rhys Jaggar

      You can leader a UK citizen to hormone treated beef from 10,000 miles away but you cannot make them buy it….much less eat it….

      All that needs to happen is people not to buy it and find places which sell the beef they do approve of.

      It also requires strong advertising telling people what Tescos et al are selling.

      We are not in some prison, we have the right to choose.

      Now exercise it!

  • nevermind

    O/T Watched last nights BBC awful hatchet piece, their twisted ways of re directing the guilt from the goons that let him die Seth Rich in hospital, to the Russians and their interference in the DNC selections, allegedly.

    The attack on him was mention fleetingly and a neighbour saw him lift his head and make a gesture as to say ‘what was that?’. Then one sentence explained his death in hospital, nothing about the ambulance that got him there. All that followed was conspiracy series that were backed by scrupulous money men within the republican movement trying to make out that it was all done to hurt Trump. Off course Julian Assange and the email trail came up, but unfortunately balance went out of the window as nobody dared to interview an incommunicado Julian who could not defend himself, the usual BBC stitch up.

    Questions remain.

    Was Seth Rich moved to hospital by ambulance, by the police, or by another unknown vehicle?
    Did one of the surgeon spoke out saying’ that he was alive and well, sitting up talking to doctors and nurses’.?

    Were doctors and nurses ushered out of his room by persons unknown who demanded that all medical staff leave?
    What happened to Seth Rich and who was present in his room during his stay?

    Seth Rich did not dies on the streets were he was attacked, so who is covering up events leading to the end of his life, his last hours?

    Lastly, when will the BBC start being dismantled and aligned to the security services they serve and cooperate with? Why not change its name to the ‘Hawhaw corporation of perceived believes’?

    • Sharp Ears

      Missed it Nevermind. Could you say on which channel and it’s title?

      Cheers.

      • nevermind

        You have missed not very much, Sharp ears, but I’m sure its available on iplayer.

        Panorama BBC 2, who killed Seth Rich.
        Have that sick bag handy…;)

  • Loony

    Your writing on the Skripal case is admirable and displays great insight. Why then muddy the waters by banging on about Spain? – a country which you manifestly know little about.

    Whatever your opinion may be, Spain will never surrender Catalonia and will pay absolutely any price to maintain unity. As neither you nor the Catalans are prepared to pay such a price then Spain wins. End of story.

    Scotland has become a sick joke – a country that all decent people recoil from in disgust and horror. By subterfuge, by lies and by deceit Scotland has managed to successfully criminalize comedy. If recent court cases are anything to go by how long will it be until Scotland starts demanding the extradition of John Cleese and other members of the Monty Python team in order to prosecute them for “hate comedy”?

    Hey Scotland don’t you think the joker laughs at you?

      • Republicofscotland

        Or it could be Kelvin Mackenzie, you know how much he loves the Scots.😀

    • kathy

      If you are talking about the Glasgow bin lorry tweet, the guy was from Sunderland (in England) and he was arrested by the Northumbria police. Apart from the sick subject matter which you appear to think is funny what has this to do with Scotland? You are loony alright.

      • Loony

        If I am a loony pray tell what is someone who cannot distinguish between Coatbridge in Lanarkshire and Sunderland in England.

        Before you leap up and down in moral outrage over a “sick subject matter” try to remember that Sheriff Derick O’Carroll has some form in the Scottish justice system. For it was Sheriff O’Carroll who criminalized a homeless man in Stirling (also in Scotland) for being in possession of a toy gun that was fluorescent orange and constructed entirely of plastic.

        It is possible that the gun was fluorescent orange and plastic because under the law that was deemed sufficient to distinguish it from a real gun and hence make its possession legal. Luckily none of that stopped Sheriff O;Carroll from handing down a guilty verdict.

        What we have for entertainment is a Scottish judicial system that despises both comedians and the homeless. Maybe the population are content with this as they are still struggling to determine whether Coatbridge and Stirling are in Scotland or England.

        • kathy

          Why pick on Scotland particularly when England’s judicial system is even worse?

        • fred

          When you’ve nowhere warm to sleep and you haven’t eaten lately prison can start looking more like a reward than a punishment.

          • Trowbridge H. Ford

            People have been taught that to be treated decently smacks of socialism, and they despise that.

            Is Craig locked up somewhere?

    • Rhys Jaggar

      Well perhaps if the english made it a hate crime for Jocks to insult the English……

      Oh and make it a crime to vote SNP and work for the hateful English…..or in England whatsoever for that matter……

  • Node

    Winnie Mandela, R.I.P

    I wonder were the smears and media attacks justified, or was their purpose to discredit her in case she spoke about her husband being a British agent?

    • Republicofscotland

      She certainly loved her jewellery, well according to this she did.

      “In 1986 Winnie Mandela, then-wife of the imprisoned Nelson Mandela, stated “With our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country” which was widely seen as an explicit endorsement of necklacing.”

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necklacing

  • mike

    Strange. BBC radio news has been punting the “UK might have done it” line from Lavrov all day. Wonders never cease. I suppose it was such a spectacularly inept false flag that even the beeb can’t swallow the fairy-tale indefinitely. Silence from the Maybot and her clowns. What now for the “strong and stable” Iron Lady Mk2?

    Maybe MI5 outsourced the job to Vic n Bob.

    What is the French connection?

    Don’t say an early 70s thriller.

    • Rhys Jaggar

      The BBC are in self preservation mode: thay have no loyalty to UK, only themselves…..

  • mike

    Perhaps it’s because today is Easter Monday.

    The media will get a new steer from Madame Wrexit tomorrow to put a stop to any wayward lines of inquiry.

  • Aidworker1

    Following Craig’s DDOS attack I note David Icke’s site has been down 2 days now.

    He also reported Craig’s doubts that Russia was responsible for the Skripols.

      • BrianFujisan

        Sorry Aidworker 1

        I went to check it out and it was fine..Now I see from my link it is Down again.. I think we can expect more of this targetting Non MsM sites..Craig may indeed have great techies onboard

        • Aidworker1

          Thanks Brian,

          I’m no expert but the link says he’s using Cloudflare which should protect him DDOS – perhaps it’s something else?

  • Sharp Ears

    Should I say thanks Nevermind? Wasn’t it dreadful. The BBC must have spent a fortune making it. It had high production values. All those talking heads and faces but saying nothing. Nobody was any the wiser at the end and far too many quotes from Murdoch’s Fox News.*

    It would be better if they all did a proper day of real work.

    * Murdoch has been shedding some of his empire which comes under the umbrella of 21st Century Fox. “Spun off”!!!

    ‘On December 14, 2017, The Walt Disney Company announced plans to acquire 21st Century Fox for $52.4 billion after the spin-off of certain businesses; this will include key assets such as 20th Century Fox, FX Networks, National Geographic Partners, its regional sports networks, and its international networks. Assets such as the Fox television network, Fox News Channel, and most of Fox Sports will be spun off into an independent company run by the Murdoch family.’

  • nevermind

    yes Sharp Ears, I feel like a collar joint doused in sweet marinade, and now after twelve hours or ‘madinattion’ my buttered underside is screaming on a hot Grill whilst the top is hoping that the BBq’er is not too pissed to remember when to turn me over.

    wakey, there are some forces at play trying to mull us into empirical acceptance.
    Gove and Cambridge Analytical are pals, the lot is a logistic means to get to a required end, their requirements that is.

    The UN knows that Israel is committing war crimes right now, its obvious by the twisting turning US vote, because Bibi has just given his third explanation in six hours as to where he would like to shove off African migrants to, some of the Jewish faith. I’ll give him till the weekend, but lets beware of Liebermann, he will want the top job and he’s and ex bouncer/

    • N_

      Lieberman – the guy who threatened to nuke Gaza.

      (And yes this could be done with low-yield nukes which wouldn’t endanger Iςrael’s own population much.)

      I wonder how those African migrants entered “Iςrael”. Have second-level gangsters in the Znazi pyramid been running their own operations? Or have the rulers rushed to import labour to do the shit work, replacing Arab labour (there are already large numbers of Filipino and Thai workers in “Iςrael”, as well as Russians and Chinese), to such an extent that they imported more than they needed? This is after they drove millions of native inhabitants from their homes. It’s crime against humanity for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

      • Laguerre

        “I wonder how those African migrants entered “Iςrael”. ”

        I think most of them crossed the Egyptian Sinai border, before Israel put up a continuous fence.

  • bliss_porsena

    “I am not a criminal” wails Puidgemont from jail.

    See how close you came, Quisling Sturgeon?

    There’s an EAW with your name on it, if you relapse into secessionism.

  • Dan Japan

    If Sturgeon hasn’t got the Gahonas to take us forward, then ship out and let those who lubricate for the Scottish people resolve her impending doom, treading water is dysfunctional, seems she’s stuck in a groove with no intention of taking the bit in her teeth and creating the momentum we need now, sooner rather than the cop-out of later, as the opportunity fades and slips away.

    In my opinion the SNP leadership are in such a rush to point the finger of blame at Russia, reference the Novichok Nerve agent nonsense, even some of the most hard-line ardent supporters are aghast at the knee jerk reactions played out before the “Actual proof of evidence” has been laid on the table, and that has not been factored into any coherent sensible decisions, making people wonder what this SNP government are up to, as everything to date is conjured up by supposition followed by assertion. To suit what can only be an agenda that is far greater than the basis of the actual truth.

    I very much wonder, at those we gave support for, and our expectation of them to do the right thing for us, on the mandates and promises we were given by them to support firstly our main objective of independence, however that same support for the SNP seems to be getting lost in Scottish minds and our interpretation of those promises are becoming broken as they seem to be following into line all to easily toward Union ideology, and presenting themselves to a Westminster union of consensus.a sense of pending betrayal looms.

    These revelations are being taken for granted by the SNP and all other party colours, without first observing outside the media frenzy and government suggestions, that are impressing propaganda from sterile media environments without any credible challenge being allowed to express the other view point, very much in tune with the fair access to balanced media platforms during the Indyref 2014, where an unfair bias was employed to structure a heavy unfair balance toward Union support, Such as Alex Salmond being twinned with Koreas “Kim Jung Un”. So I’m wondering why Nicola Sturgeon supporting Theresa May’s views, would impress her stance on Russia without that final proof of irrefutable evidence after the facts, and not before the seal of guilt has been stamped displaying that evidence of proof.

    Others last week who were more than peeved about the information that was circling on the Skripal nonsense fed in from a clouded agenda, not noticeable until that veneer of democracy starts to fade, as the opaque covering will never reveal a meaningful transparency, because a convoluted system is in place, and the one sided field event in action because the other side have been refused access to play the UK security services game of hide and seek, not appreciated by those who don’t like people to have an opinion, and when the BBC gave Porton Down a sterile platform to reassure the public they have it all under control, the face of “Gary Aitkinhead” who is a new employee at the chemical laboratory site, where his previous post was at motorola communications, it begs the question with that experience, how is he really positioned to comment on Nuclear biological and chemical exposure with any credible worth, the guy’s employment history on LinkedIn does not instill the confidence one would expect from a seasoned laboratory boffins.

    But regardless all that aside, the tightening down by interfering security agencies from GCHQ MI5 and MI6 will be causing far greater mischief if there ever is a further indeyref2, there will be much tighter control over freedom of speech and controls on social media, and will be tight bordering on impossible to air the truth.rules of purda will be broken immediately, and propaganda will be pouring out the media and all nooks and crannies. Then the dream of those who support and want independence will evaporate, and certainly wont happen in this lifetime, for those who think that it will, you have a serious struggle ahead as the net is closing in tight. as Sturgeon is loosing the grip of intention, and the momentum as she settles for complacency and secure personal interest, we have got all they are willing to give, and that is what the senior SNP have settled for.

  • N_

    The story about the items brought by “a friend” and “the husband of a friend” of Yulia Skripal “on a different flight” has the ring of truth about it. That’s how certain items really do get taken across borders. It wouldn’t surprise me if the “friend” turns out to be someone she didn’t know that well, or had once met 10 years ago.

    Could Yulia Skripal, and possibly also her father, have been couriering?

    If so, we have Nikolai Glushkov, found strangled soon after, who could have been EITHER the target of the operation OR higher up the chain.

    The £150,000 may be a red herring. Her brother died, left a house, was divorced, his half went to their father, who handed it on to his daughter – nothing strange in most of that except perhaps the circumstances of her brother’s death. What may have happened is that a “certain agency” may have said they’d only release the money from a Russian bank account if she “helped” them by collecting a certain “item” for them after “a friend” brought it to Britain.

    Litvinenko, some kind of darling hero for some people, could also have been carrying – in his case with Boris Berezovsky (Nikolai Glushkov’s business partner) either as the guy who commissioned the operation or as the target.

  • SA

    Is what is going on in British politics an attack at the very heart of free speech? The continuing double pronged attack on Corbyn has led to him becoming defensive on both accounts and accepting the attackers’ main ‘concerns’. I am not really hopeful that this will enhance reasoned discussions of real issues and unfortunately Corbyn has now become effectively neutralised. Sad really.

    • Node

      Is what is going on in British politics an attack at the very heart of free speech?

      This implies we have free speech to be attacked. We haven’t done for some time. Restrictions have been imposed by the frog-boiling technique. Many people haven’t noticed. There are now many taboo subjects. Questioning the Isræl’s influence is one of them.

      Corbyn’s treatment isn’t an attack on free speech – it’s the enforcement of limits on free speech.

  • mike

    Agreed, SA. The more Corbyn gives in to the demands of the state/media nexus the more they will go after him. He has to go on the attack to spin the whole thing round. I’d start with the Skripals and the obvious holes in that narrative. Press the Maybot for answers on the numerous oddities, such as the French connection. And, above all else, do not remain silent on Palestine. Corbyn got into this position of being a PM-in-waiting through being himself. If he backs away from that now he will be in trouble.

  • Mochyn69

    An utter croc of horseshit from BBC Radio 4 Today.

    Jeremy Corbyn bad, Syria ‘regime’ bad, Russia bad, many conspiracy theories from Russia about the Skripals bad, ad infinitum ach item being more astonishing than the last ending up with a very interesting item with

    But the thing that made me choke on my cornflakes was the item on Jeremy Corbyn and anti-semitism. Jeremy Corbyn bad because he attended a passover event with some Jewish friends. And they had Jonathan Goldstein on slating Corbyn in no uncertain terms. This Jonathan Goldstein:

    https://www.thejlc.org/jonathan_goldstein

    In fact Jeremy Corbyn has played a blinder in the anti-semitism issue by attending this Jewish event in his constituency. The attempt to smear him for doing so by some opponents has rather backfired as shown by these Tweets reported in the Guardian this morning.

    In a Twitter post, Jewdas said its members were “proud to be Jews and proud of everyone who attended, whether they were Jewish or not. We want everyone to know – we’re leaving Mitzrayim (Egypt). Change is coming. Revolution will come.”

    The Jewish comedians David Baddiel and David Schneider said MPs and others should not immediately dismiss Jewdas.

    “They are just Jews who disagree with other Jews … To make out that it’s somehow antisemitic for him to spend Seder with them just because they’re far left is balls,” Baddiel wrote on Twitter.

    Schneider tweeted: “‘Boo! Corbyn needs to get out and meets some Jews!’ (Corbyn spends Passover with some Jews at Jewdas) ‘Boo! Not those Jews!’”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/03/jeremy-corbyn-called-irresponsible-after-attending-radical-jewish-event

    Today has been fooled into becoming a mere propaganda tool for people with obvious political agendas.

    .

  • reel guid

    The ‘Scottish’ Tories attempting to stir up a moral panic to divert attention from their power grab and Scotland’s enforced EU exit.

    Tory MSP Liam Kerr is their opening batsman in fulminating about the number – ” some as young as 8″ – of child housebreakers in Scotland in recent years. STV, The Sun and the Press and Journal are going with the story.

    What about the Tory MSP democracy breakers in Scotland – some as young as 38 – who are currently going on a spree?

    • N_

      The ‘Scottish’ Tories attempting to stir up a moral panic to divert attention from their power grab and Scotland’s enforced EU exit.

      They sound like the “London” Tories who are trying to force London out of the EU against that holy city’s expressed wishes, and without so much as an “aah’s yer farver?” or knowing the difference between a pearly queen and Mother Brown.

      • N_

        And if they can do it to the unwilling holy city with its population of 9 million, what chances for the unwilling sacred nation to the north with only 5 million?

  • DAVID FRASER

    I don’t get Craig Murray’s argument: Even if Scotland had independence it would still be part of the EU according to Nationalists. It would, therefore, be under legal obligation to extradite a citizen of Spain wanted under Spanish law. Give it to the SNP (whom I don’t support) they respect the rule of law and want only a legally negotiated independence. Catalonians tried a unilateral declaration of independence which was orchestrated by Marxists.

  • shugsrug

    Craig
    I thank you for helping to expose this fable of convenience. I am also appalled at the abuse you have received for expressing your honest opinion, which is probably very near to the mark. Nasty stuff, but gradually you and others will drive people away from shit media. You could not make it up, but they do. As with Jeremy Corbyn, the extent of abuse is beyond belief. If you need a bolt hole let me know.

    Regards

  • Tony M

    It would be difficult if not impossible for an independent Scotland to build or rebuild its domestic economy and industrial base in the open market conditions that are an inherent part of EU membership, however great our potential might be, given considerable raw material resources, abundant energy from renewable and from consumable sources and an educated motivated workforce.

    No country has ever pulled itself up from completely ravaged almost post-apocalyptic conditions where the remaining businesses are nothing more than parasitic, service sector Thatcherite excresences or BAE type jobs for the Billy-Boys arms manufacture. Some considerable degree of protection of domestic industry and markets, something close to autarky, self-sufficiency wherever possible, would be necessary in the short and medium-term before the existing base is grown such that unrestricted competition could be withstood, conditions which the existing viciously neo-liberal EU certainly could not and would not permit.

    The time to act decisively would have been immediately after the 2015 GE, when the mandate for independence was unassailable. The 59 MP’s elected then should not have went anywhere near the Westminster Cess-pit, but should have convened in Edinburgh, Glasgow or wherever and simply declared that the game was a-bogey, the vile exploitative union was over and those MPs were thereafter redundant, having served their purpose.

    We would then have been at liberty in our own constitutional republic to have a multi-issue referendum – after establishing a credible public-service broadcaster (after chasing the BBC high-heid yins) and print media and re-engagement of the disillusioned and disenfranchised, to resolve outstanding issues such as NATO, EU, Currency, and so on, as a first step and decisive step in a transition from representative quasi-democratic occupied, subjugated land, to an enduring more participatory system and style of government.

    I had thought that the leadership of the SNP had some bottle, but feel now they’re sleekit cowering timourous beasties, another ever so prettily wrapped and coiffured parcel of rogues. Great Tumshies the lot of them. It’s time the central belt, (where anyone north of the Clyde-Forth line are still referred to derogatorily but also affectionately by the older generation as ‘Hielan’) took a back seat for a time.

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