Boris Johnson A Categorical Liar 1862


Evidence submitted by the British government in court today proves, beyond any doubt, that Boris Johnson has been point blank lying about the degree of certainty Porton Down scientists have about the Skripals being poisoned with a Russian “novichok” agent.

Yesterday in an interview with Deutsche Welle Boris Johnson claimed directly Porton Down had told him they positively identified the nerve agent as Russian:

You argue that the source of this nerve agent, Novichok, is Russia. How did you manage to find it out so quickly? Does Britain possess samples of it?

Let me be clear with you … When I look at the evidence, I mean the people from Porton Down, the laboratory …

So they have the samples …

They do. And they were absolutely categorical and I asked the guy myself, I said, “Are you sure?” And he said there’s no doubt.

I knew and had published from my own whistleblowers that this is a lie. Until now I could not prove it. But today I can absolutely prove it, due to the judgement at the High Court case which gave permission for new blood samples to be taken from the Skripals for use by the OPCW. Justice Williams included in his judgement a summary of the evidence which tells us, directly for the first time, what Porton Down have actually said:

The Evidence
16. The evidence in support of the application is contained within the applications
themselves (in particular the Forms COP 3) and the witness statements.
17. I consider the following to be the relevant parts of the evidence. I shall identify the
witnesses only by their role and shall summarise the essential elements of their
evidence.
i) CC: Porton Down Chemical and Biological Analyst
Blood samples from Sergei Skripal and Yulia Skripal were analysed and the
findings indicated exposure to a nerve agent or related compound. The samples
tested positive for the presence of a Novichok class nerve agent OR CLOSELY RELATED AGENT.

The emphasis is mine. This sworn Court evidence direct from Porton Down is utterly incompatible with what Boris Johnson has been saying. The truth is that Porton Down have not even positively identified this as a “Novichok”, as opposed to “a closely related agent”. Even if it were a “Novichok” that would not prove manufacture in Russia, and a “closely related agent” could be manufactured by literally scores of state and non-state actors.

This constitutes irrefutable evidence that the government have been straight out lying – to Parliament, to the EU, to NATO, to the United Nations, and above all to the people – about their degree of certainty of the origin of the attack. It might well be an attack originating in Russia, but there are indeed other possibilities and investigation is needed. As the government has sought to whip up jingoistic hysteria in advance of forthcoming local elections, the scale of the lie has daily increased.

On a sombre note, I am very much afraid the High Court evidence seems to indicate there is very little chance the Skripals will ever recover; one of the reasons the judge gave for his decision is that samples taken now will be better for analysis than samples taken post mortem.

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1,862 thoughts on “Boris Johnson A Categorical Liar

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    • Crackerjack

      Just watching Sky do a reconstruction (sic) and rhey say Bailey got poisoned at the Bench. Utterly laughable

    • Piotr Grozny

      On the TV news Yulia’s recovery seemed to be ascribed to the brilliance of the treatment rather than the weakness of the poison. Also the journalist interviewing the US Ambassador to Russia did ask him if he was certain, the reply was that he was certain because 25 other countries were also convinced which strikes me as a circular argument.

      • Mary Paul

        Professor Leonid Rink one of the creators of Novichok nerve agents told RIA News Agency the other day that he doubted Russia was behind because everyone caught up in it was still alive. He said “such outrageous incompetence” by Russian secret services would have been ” unacceptable and laughable.”

  • saluspopuli.org

    So, how will the Bolton appointment impact on US interaction with the OPCW? Bolton’s first day as National Security Adviser is said to be April 9, according to press reports.

    And how will he handle the Skripal Case? Or issues involving WMD?

    The Intercept just published an interesting piece on Bolton and OPCW:

    ….”“John Bolton is a bully,” José Bustani, the retired Brazilian diplomat and former head of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, told me when I reached him by phone in Paris earlier this month.

    There are a number of people who claim to have been bullied or intimidated by Bolton — including Bustani. The latter’s criticisms of the famously mustachioed hawk have been public for many years now, but some of the details of his tense encounter with Bolton at the OPCW have never been reported before in English…..”

    https://theintercept.com/2018/03/29/john-bolton-trump-bush-bustani-kids-opcw/

  • Mary Paul

    The Metropolitan Police ‘s Anti Terrorist Squad were asked to run the local enquiries in Salisbury. (They are gradually returning on the ground areas to the local Wiltshire Police. ) I have to say the generalized marauding about, issuing of incorrect and misleading statements and possibly even inventing witnesses is all part for the course where the Met is concerned. There was one famous demo in London where it was discovered many had removed their official numbers from their uniforms, so that members of the public would not be able to identify them to make a complaint.

    • Paul Hunter

      In the 1970s I went on a CND demo in London. I was one of the first there and before it started I got talking to one of the organisers who told me the police would deliberately underestimate the size of the gathering. I was very young and affronted by his suggestion and I said I didn’t believe the police would be so dishonest, so he said “OK you can be one of the official counters then”. To cut a long story short we lost track at over 100,000. The denouement is that that evenings TV reports all said it was “poorly attended” with the official statement from the police that there were no more than 10,000 people.

  • Canexpat

    I sometimes wonder whether I should be fitted for a tinfoil hat, but am I imagining the prominence given in most MSM news reports to the ages of Skripal and his daughter? 33 and 66 apparently have great significance when it comes to Satanic groups and a quick search of the web returns multiple hits detailing the background and importance of certain numbers in numerology.

    “…so 11 is the essence of all that is sinful, harmful, and imperfect.” [Ibid., p. 100] Thus, while 11 is very important, multiplication’s are also important, such as 22, 33, 44, 55, 66, 77, 88, and 99.” [“The Occult Power of Numbers”, W. Wynn Westcott p.100]

    I really should stop listening to the voices 🙂

    • Rhys Jaggar

      You can find plenty of other interpretations. 22 is said to represent the madter builder, in the sense of someone seeing the whole picture and designing well with that knowledge.

      33 is of course the age Jesus was crucified.

    • bj

      Personally, I am freaked out by the number 1. I mean every other number and 1 itself is divisible by 1. There murt be some dark meaning in that. Also I am freaked out by 0. Because no number seems allow itself to be divided by 0. It’s scary. And o yeah, infinity, that’s scary too.

      • glenn_nl

        Indeed, bj. When there’s only a single unit of anything, that gets you a total of 1 too. And another freaky thing is the first time anything happens – absolutely anything at all, that is occasion number 1 on which it occurs. It’s actually rather spooky, because in addition to all this, when your down to the last unit of _anything at all_ – guess what – there’s only 1 of them remaining.

    • John Goss

      Don’t know about all the occult stuff though I know it has lots of followers, Canexpat. One thing that did occur to me was the first copper’s name the unforgettable Nick Bailey. May be a coincidence but if it is Old Nick Bailey it could either be Old Nick or the Old Bailey. Who makes this stuff up?

      Meanwhile my latest ponderings which I publish in the good faith that our secret service friends will not delete it as they did with my piece on Glushkov. Or was it the mods?

      https://johnplatinumgoss.wordpress.com/2018/03/28/skripal-case-─-a-whale-of-a-lie-─-codename-beluga/

      • glenn_nl

        John: Are you actually saying that GCHQ or whatever reads your blog, finds something so incredibly revealing and dangerous there, that they delete it? Seriously?

          • glenn_nl

            User error is the primary cause of stuff getting erased in an unwanted fashion. It’s rather hard to believe that a spy is put to work full time (on a three-shift basis!) looking after (with all due respect) fairly obscure blogs, and then hurriedly removing potentially damaging information, while leaving the site itself alone, and the author at liberty to recreate it again immediately should they so wish.

            Did you discover the murder by yourself, before the police found out? Are you seriously saying you got this information first hand, and it was actually a scoop?

            It’s important to avoid paranoia, like some of our more imaginative friends (such as Trowbridge, Paul Barbara and so on) who think that typos weren’t of their own making, but rather the full-time spy crew dedicated to them edited the post after the event, for reasons best known to themselves.

            Some people around here even think spooks move their cursor around mysteriously, or cause blocks of text to disappear even as they are typing. I mean, come on.

          • John Goss

            Within eight hours of the announcement that Glushkov’s death was murder I first broke the news in respect of making the association between the murder of Glushkov and Lugovoi in the light of the Litvinenko palaver for which both inquests into Litvinenko’s death were abandoned in favour of another whitewash inquiry. Dr David Kelly’s murder springs to mind.

            “Now here’s the rub. According to an article in OffGuardian an individual tried to help Glushkov escape from hospital and avoid justice. That individual was Andrei Lugovoi. The OffGuardian article which everyone should read says:

            “It also turns out that Lugovoi not only had a close association with Berezovsky right up to the moment of Litvinenko’s death, but was also convicted by a Russian court shortly after Berezovsky fled Russia of trying to arrange the escape of Nikolai Glushkov, one of Berezovsky’s close associates, from a hospital where he was in pre-trial detention on a fraud charge.”

            For those who did not follow the Litvinenko farce Lugovoi was one of the two people accused of killing Alexander Litvinenko, the other being Dmitry Kovtun. According to our media, and Sir Robert Owen who pronounced in the Litvinenko Inquiry, these were KGB agents, when in fact they were small-time criminals and friends of Litvinenko, Berezovsky and other oligarchs.”

          • glenn_nl

            Ah, understood – you made the connection, rather cleverly actually. I (rather stupidly) thought you were claiming to break the news about his actual murder.

          • John Goss

            glenn_nl thanks. Although I get accused of not being critical of Russia it would not surprise me if the FSB were behind the death of Glushkov. But all this Skripal nonsense is precisely that, though I don’t discount they may be ill. I wish them total recovery and hope they can throw some light on what happened.

    • Crackerjack

      Yep. Pointed out the other day that the Estonian FO response revealed that they know as much as we do aka fuck alll

      It’s fucking ludicrous isn’t it? A PowerPoint in bullet points revealing that we set on this course because…..

      Russia invaded Georgia. Lie
      Russia invaded Ukraine. Lie
      Russia shot down the Malasian airliner. Lie

      Beyond belief had we not ready 1984. A degree of irony there

      • SA

        And most of the allegations about cyberattacks are also based on no facts at all, just deductions based on assumptions. The longer the list of lies grows, the more deductions can be made.
        It would be interesting to make a slide showing what proven aggression the countries that have signed up to this, have also been involved in, with of course the leadership of the US. The slideshow will run to hundreds of slides and none of it would be conjecture.

    • Rhys Jaggar

      Well, if I had seen that I would have sent back the tartest of tart replies along the lines that any judge who directed a conviction based on that evidence should be dewigged with indecent haste……

  • durak

    “This is what those EU countries got to see. ”

    Most of it unverifiable… and much of it fiction.

    It is like some ‘A’ level presentation by sixth formers.

    • SA

      If this was a scientific presentation it would be rejected offhand for lack of verifiable evidence ( and no Wikipedia please).

    • Rhys Jaggar

      Excuse me, sixth formers can do much better than that.

      They just cannot go to Oxford to do PPE if they do….

  • durak

    How will they buy off Yulia?

    Passport and cash?

    Denying the Russians access to their own citizen…. Very disturbing.

    • Kempe

      Well allowing the No.1 suspect in what could yet turn out to be a double murder access to the victims. What could possibly go wrong?

      • SA

        And this theory that the Russian embassy is no1 suspect is based on what exactly Mr Kempe?

        • SA

          Even in criminal law, a suspect to murder is allowed access to information obtained against them. If no access is granted to the ‘attempted murder suspect’ then the law still gives access to this suspect( who by the way remains innocent until proven guilty) to the data that causes this suspicion.

          • Kempe

            Information yes but I’ve never heard of anyone accused of attempted murder or assault being allowed to visit the victim in hospital.

            Whether you accept the evidence or not the Russians are still the only suspects; unless you have evidence to the contrary.

          • SA

            Kempe
            According to law the accuser has to show evidence to accuse someone and not the other way round as You state that I or anyone has evidence to the contrary.

          • StephenF

            “Russians are still the only suspects” – utter nonsense. Russians are only suspects because May pointed her finger at them, and other U.S. lackeys followed. There are plenty of other, more plausible suspects, starting from UK itself, which
            – had a ton of reasons to undercut Russia (its geopolitical enemy),
            – had a history of supporting false flag chemical attacks (Syria),
            – had know-how and capacity to produce novichok,
            – had a chemical weapon facility right next to Salisbury,
            – actually conducted chemical warfare exercises ON SALISBURY PLAIN, RIGHT BEFORE SKRIPALS WERE POISONED, CALLED “TOXIC DAGGER” no less! (OMG are they for real? yes they are!)
            https://www.gov.uk/government/news/exercise-toxic-dagger-the-sharp-end-of-chemical-warfare

            Combine that with the incredibly fudged up “investigation”, complete lack of evidence against Russia, complete lack of benefit for Russia, and UK’s blatant refusal to cooperate with Russia in any way, and we have a WINNER! No. 1 suspect = UK (and its U.S. masters).

  • Billy Bostickson

    Well I never!

    As I have been saying on this forum and elsewhere for the last two weeks and after emailing and tweeting various media channels in the UK and Russia to raise the question of Julia’s boyfriend and Mother, it finally is happening., now even the Daily Mail is getting on to it in detail:

    Russia ‘is protecting’ identity of Yulia Skripal’s mystery boyfriend – whose mother ‘is linked to Moscow’s secret service’ – after it’s claimed double-agent’s daughter was poisoning target

    Fiancé’s name is understood to be known to several major Moscow newspapers (I told them!)
    Identity of his mother, said to have secret service links, also not been revealed

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5557625/Russia-protecting-identity-Yulia-Skripals-mystery-boyfriend.html

    The cover up is evident from how RT reported on Victoria’s interview with the BBC by deleting one important comment, which was: “But the first version that I said was that it was directed at Julia, and not at him”

    https://www.rt.com/uk/422545-skirpal-family-poison-hospital/

    “Viktoria Skripal said that, while she was unsure who was responsible for the nerve-agent attack, she did say that her uncle had never expressed fears for his safety and did not consider himself to have any enemies.
    “Who did it? I don’t really know. Our side say it was the British secret services, the British say it was the Russians. I don’t know and I don’t want to hazard a guess.
    “Even if the special services did it – why is it so clumsy? I believe that it was beneficial to some third party to quarrel between the two countries. Someday we will get answers to all the questions.”

    BBC Transcript
    https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-43559446

    BBC : He did not hint that someone might be dissatisfied with his actions?
    VS: Well, who? Even if the special services did it – why is it so clumsy? I believe that it was beneficial to some third party to quarrel between the two countries – Russia and Britain.

    ****But the first version that I said was that it was directed at Julia, and not at him. *****

    Someday we will get answers to all the questions.
    BBC: Do you think you will ever find out what really happened?
    VS: I do not. My children – maybe. None of the countries will open up to the end of the map.

    I wonder why? 😉 Everybody, Russians and British are trying to hide the name of her boyfriend and his mother, each one for different reasons. It has been quite amusing.

    The allegations were first made on mashtv 2 weeks ago, but absolute silence regarding his name.

    We found it, not too difficult, now we are waiting to discover the mother’s name and professional experience.

    Anybody want to help?
    Fluent Russian and understanding of information gathering from Russian social networks and residential information required.
    No payment, sorry, we are amateurs!

    • marvellousMRchops

      So if this ends up being the final version of the truth (I hesitate to use the word ‘actual’) then it was the Russians that did it and MayBot and Bojo were right all along?

      • Billy Bostickson

        That is why TM insisted on carefully using the phrase “or Russia lost control of its chemical weapons”

        The Brits knew from the very start about the package, the boyfriend and the mother-in-law, but they chose to create a theatrical farce to expose and embarrass Putin at election time.

        It has backfired, revealing both the Russians and The British as a dirty pack of warmongering crooks and liars.

        Bakunin was right! 🙂

        Russian newspaper that published the story which the DM based its story on:

        http://www.mk.ru/politics/2018/03/25/otravlenie-sergeya-skripalya-my-nashli-strannogo-boyfrenda-yulii.html

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        • Piotr Grozny

          There seems some merit in this theory. The facts are consistent with the poison being some 25 year old degraded Novichok. The question should be addressed, why try to kill Julia in Britain rather than Russia, was it too risky to attempt this in Russia.

        • Pyotr Grozny

          Boris, Teresa and Gavin managed to engineer a huge last minute increase in Putin’s vote.

          Can you explain about the package? Is it more likely that someone flew in from Moscow with the poison, or that the poison was already here in Britain. Same questions for the assassin, were they already here or did they fly in?

          Certainly the recovery of Julia undermines the official story. It has more credibility when we thought she was just being kept alive on life-support, but this is undermined by Julia’s recovery.

          • Billy Bostickson

            Good questions, I’m not sure of the answers, it’s all conjecture until certain facts are on the table, if they ever are…

            I’ve just been following my hunch based on Victoria Skripal and Tamara’s initial claims which seemed innocent at the time and not scripted, also their claims were buried both by the British and Russian media for 2 weeks for obviously different reasons. For the British, it gave them an opportunity to milk the spectacle for all it was worth. For the Russians, it avoided political embarrassment and revelations concerning their Novichok stocks, kept as a deterrent to any incursion by NATO close to their borders, given NATO’s superiority in tactical nuclear weapons.

            All this drama about who is the bad guy and point scoring, denials, posturing is pure State bullshit.

            Excuse me, if I quote Bakunin:

            “The State, therefore, is the most flagrant, the most cynical, and the most complete negation of humanity. It shatters the universal solidarity of all men on the earth, and brings some of them into association only for the purpose of destroying, conquering, and enslaving all the rest. This explains why, since the birth of the State, the world of politics has always been and continues to be the stage for unlimited rascality and brigandage, brigandage and rascality which, by the way, are held in high esteem, since they are sanctified by patriotism, by the transcendent morality and the supreme interest of the State. This explains why the entire history of ancient and modern states is merely a series of revolting crimes; why kings and ministers, past and present, of all times and all countries — statesmen, diplomats, bureaucrats, and warriors — if judged from the standpoint of simple morality and human justice, have a hundred, a thousand times over earned their sentence to hard labour or to the gallows. There is no horror, no cruelty, sacrilege, or perjury, no imposture, no infamous transaction, no cynical robbery, no bold plunder or shabby betrayal that has not been or is not daily being perpetrated by the representatives of the states, under no other pretext than those elastic words, so convenient and yet so terrible: “for reasons of state.”

        • Bayleaf

          If the Daily Fail and others are now running with this new “limited hangout”, we can be sure that it has already been passed by the Ministry of Truth. Clearly, the last “Putin dunnit” line didn’t gain enough traction with the general public, and might have actually backfired on the British government, so they’re scrambling for a Plan B.

          The initial hasty rush to judgement, obvious lies and misleadingly-worded statements from politicians and even the court, together with the uniformity with which all the mainstream media parrot the same messages, have the British state’s fingerprints all over it.

          The boyfriend theory is both unconvincing and evidence-free nonsense that is being desperately promoted in the hope that more people will fall for it than the previous nonsense they were peddling. I don’t buy it.

        • bj

          After the alleged attack, and since the theory was that it was a fast working nerve agent, did the UK ever seal its borders, in an effort to apprehend possible suspects that might be fleeing the country?

          If not, why not and wouldn’t that have been standard procedure in a case like this, that has also been described as ‘terrorism’.?

          Questions, questions…

          • SA

            To thus day I have not seen any indication that the police are looking for a potential killer at large, armed with weapons of mass destruction, merely reassurances that there is no danger to the general public.

    • sg

      It paints a very nice story that could wrap it up without too much embarrassment on either side. I am not buying it because how did the teams find all of the traces of the A-234 type nerve agent and how did they both suffer the same symptoms at the same time. She wouldn’t have come through customs without being and having her luggage searched, especially considering who she was and where she was coming from.

      • G.Bng

        Yes, “how did they both suffer the same symptoms at the same time” is imo the fly in the ointment for the door handle being the contaminator or could it be that after attending the Skripals at the scene the policeman inadvertently, (advertently doesn’t bear thinking about), contaminated the door handle when he went the house that evening.

        Certainly if the door handle is ground zero there seem to be just two possibilities and neither make sense, i.e. either both touched the door handle within minutes of each other, (the 2nd obviously receives much less poison), and then for 2 plus hours go about live normally driving into the centre, taking a stroll to feed ducks and kiddies, have a drink in the pub before going to Zizi’s for lunch after which they stroll around the corner to sit on a bench where at the same time both fall ill as the nerve agent takes effect despite the difference in age, sex, and general health as well as in the quantity of nerve agent received.. Or second option whereby each touch the handle at a different time, say with half an hour or more in between, yet despite the difference in time, both manifest the effects of the poison at exactly the same time.

    • GK

      So far there are not much discussion about Julias boyfriend in Russian. The theory that mother in law whanted her dead is not credible. Question like why kill her abroad when it is less risk to do it in Russian. If the information about the findings of poison on the door is true then the theory is even more unlikely. Is it possible that mother in law could send a pakage with Julia but send some one to smear the door with poison is highly unlikely.
      If Julia had the poisen/agent with her to UK then I would believe more that she brought it to her father.
      The fact the he loves money and are knowd to take great risk. To spy on Russian for money is one of the risk he took.

      https://sputniknews.com/world/201803281062977635-uk-russia-skripal/

      http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-43343805/russian-exile-skripal-targeted-by-criminal-gangs

      • Pyotr Grozny

        The hypothesis that Julia is the main target does not rest on the mother-in-law theory, the first may be valid without the second. Possibly it appeared less risky to have her bumped off here than in Moscow, after all the assailants haven’t been apprehended yet.

    • StephenF

      This “killer mother-in-law” theory is even more outlandish than “Russian hit squad” painting Skripal’s door with Novichok while remaining totally invisible to all neighbourhood surveillance cams.

      The only question that needs to be asked in order to completely debunk this crap is: why the hell wouldn’t this “angry mom” pull the hit back in Russia, where Julia lives? Second question (but by now we’re already beating a dead horse) – why use this incredibly deadly, and supposedly secret, nerve agent, when literally any other killing method would have sufficed? When May and Johnson blame Putin, they say novichok was used specifically as a “calling card”; as stupid as that reason sounds, it’s not even applicable to the “angry mom” theory, since she would definitely not be interested in using a method so “surely” tracking back to Russia.

      TLDR: complete and utter baloney.

    • Ultraviolet

      Actually, looking at the comments on the Mail story linked above, I think British voters are learning. Almost all the top rated comments at the time of writing are utterly derisive of the official narrative.

  • Emily

    All this possible humbug that the nasty potential ma in law ‘did it’ and stuck the stuff in the suitcase – explains very little.
    And how were the two contaminated – if they were – without obvious trace?
    Still no answer.
    How they collapsed together and if the poison was in her belongings why was it not in the house or on her.?
    Just more anti Russian propaganda using a new target by looks of things.
    Having failed to pin it on the Russian State the DM looks desperate to me..
    And actually I think the boyfriend has been named somewhere – I just can’t remember where.

    • Billy Bostickson

      Here, I named him, it isn’t the DM, it was Russian news, it’s not new anti-Russian propaganda, it has been an ongoing claim since it was originally alleged by Victoria Skripal and a friend of Julia two weeks ago. All the details have been posted on this forum several times.

      Both the British and the Russians are not revealing his name or his mother’s connections for different reasons.

      At the end we, the people, will see clearly how the British State and the Russian State are both a bunch of crooks and liars.

      Bakunin was right 😉

      • Emily

        To equate the Russian state and British state is nonsense.
        The Russians still have some free speech and freedom of association left.
        We Brits don’t.
        They still have a police force to investigate thuggery and assault.
        Not like the British police who have openly stated their priority is Hate crime – read anti islamic comments – on Facebook
        As for your allegation they have equal interest in this matter – its ludicrous.
        The Russians are not having to lie through their teeth to hide the failing of their government.
        May is the worst PM following her tenure as the worst Home Secretary – in British history.
        She is betraying 17,4 million Brits, her country and Brexit.
        Now here is an excellent theory as to why the Brits did it – the crime and the attack on Russia.
        http://yournewswire.com/poisoned-russian-spy-mi6-trump-dossier/
        This false accusation and warmongering has its roots, not least, in her desperately needing a red herring to cover up her treason, deception and lies.

      • Bayleaf

        All states lie and deceive. That’s a given. However, it does not mean that they are both lying in this case. Instead, the evidence in this case clearly points to British duplicity.

        This boyfriend theory does nothing to explain how both victims were poisoned in a way that caused both of them to succumb *simultaneously* – and no amount of misdirection is going to make this awkward point disappear. If it was a hit in the park, then reports of multiple sites being contaminated are exposed as lies, along with the contamination of DS Bailey on a doorknob.

        A hit in the centre of Salisbury would mean that the perpetrators will almost certainly be caught on a video camera somewhere, yet the police seem to be too busy chasing mirages, as if they don’t want to catch them. How strange.

  • Robert

    I have followed all this, including your helpfully sceptical commentary, with close attention. What puzzles me now is if the evidence is as sketchy as you say, and if the whole idea is so nutty (Russia uses secret nerve agent to attack retired spy in foreign country and doesn’t even manage to kill him – you’re right, it makes no sense) what is that has persuaded more than 20 other states, all of them reasonably sophisticated and quite a few of them not particularly closely aligned with UK interests, to buy into this narrative to the extent of deporting Russain diplomats? You’d need to be a conspiracy theorist on an epic scale to conclude that this is some sort of cooked-up concerted attempt by the west to destabilise Putin. Is it possible that that there is more evidence that we simply don’t know about within the secret state?

    • Pyotr Grozny

      First, it’s open to TM to say to Joe Public that the govt. has evidence which it can’t release on security grounds. She hasn’t come out and said that in any emphatic way. Second why all this ‘of a type developed by Russia’. If you have some secret intelligence which you can’t share come out and say that clearly from the outset and you may have a chance of being believed, if you come out later when the initial story has unraveled you’ve little credibility left.

    • sg

      She wakes up the day after the MET anti terrorism team give up control of the situation to Wiltshire police. Were the MET actual police or spooks conducting the operation and making sure the evidence collected/constructed fitted the required narrative for the local police to take over and make it look transparent. The only legal rights that Russia had was to be part any OPCW investigation and have access to their citizen. Russia were denied both of them Why wasn’t his niece wanting to come and see them in hospital. Her waking up is convenient for our gov’t because now she can say whether she wants to see a Russian diplomat.
      Austria has said openly how much pressure was put them them to expel a Russian by the UK ambassador. All the rest either have a bone to pick with Russia or was scared of the appearance of a split EU. Germany’s action of approving Nord stream 2 the day after expelling 4 Russians speaks volumes.

      • Pyotr Grozny

        If Beitain was capable of putting pressure on EU countries we’d get a better Brexit deal. Maybe it was the US deep state which applied the pressure. Presumably Austria resisted because the Freedom Party are junior partners in govt.

      • Mary Paul

        Met police make the evidence fit the facts but are not very competent at it so reveal as little as possible to press to conceal their incompetence and shaky narrative.

    • Mary Paul

      I tend to agree with you. I have been criticised on here for suggesting there must be some further intelligence underlying the decision of sophisticated countries like France, (who have their own intelligence services around the world and no love lost for the UK,) to sign up. As I recall Present Macron was taking more of a Corbyn line until he got a phone call from Theresa May and then France joined with the UK line.

      I agree the various diplomatic memoranda are insubstantial but I assume they are basically for the records and public consumption. Mind you with the Met Policevfrom London leading the inquiry on the ground, I hold little hope of ever getting at the true underlying facts.

      • Crackerjack

        As a member of the Privy Council Corbyn will have seen the evidence May was using and clearly it didn’t convince him. Also, as above, German politicians are asking for evidence and other countries did not go down the expulsion route having seen this “evidence”.

        Frankly I hope there is some secret smoking gun because this country’s reputation (should it actually have one) will be shredded if this turns out to be the shambolic nonsense it appears to be at present

    • Maureen

      US State dept spokesperson Nauert says that the US spent 3 weeks getting cooperation and coordination with their EU and 5 eyes allies
      Will link if you like but you’ll have to wait
      The US has very persuasive ways

  • Sharp Ears

    Craig is referenced here (and his photo).

    Salisbury Incident Report: Hard Evidence For Soft Minds
    by Andrey Fomine / March 29th, 2018

    The UK government’s presentation on the Salisbury incident, which was repeatedly cited in recent days as an “ultimate proof” of Russia’s involvement into Skripal’s assassination attempt, was made public earlier today.
    (p14 of the pdf)
    This 6-paged PDF is a powerful evidence of another intellectual low of the British propaganda machine. Open it and you can tell that substantially it makes only two assertions on the Skripal case, and both are false:

    First. Novichok is a group of agents developed only by Russia and not declared under the CWC” – a false statement. Novichok was originally developed in the USSR (Nukus Lab, today in Uzbekistan, site completely decommissioned according to the US-Uzbekistan agreement by 2002). One of its key developers, Vil Mirzayanov, defected to the United States in 1990s, its chemical formula and technology were openly published in a number of chemical journals outside Russia.

    Craig Murray photo
    Former top-ranking British foreign service officer Craig Murray specifically noted this point on March 17:
    ‘I have now been sent the vital information that in late 2016, Iranian scientists set out to study whether novichoks really could be produced from commercially available ingredients. Iran succeeded in synthesising a number of novichoks. Iran did this in full cooperation with the OPCW and immediately reported the results to the OPCW so they could be added to the chemical weapons database.

    This makes complete nonsense of the Theresa May’s “of a type developed by Russia” line, used to parliament and the UN Security Council. This explains why Porton Down has refused to cave in to governmental pressure to say the nerve agent was Russian. If Iran can make a novichok, so can a significant number of states.’

    /..
    https://dissidentvoice.org/2018/03/salisbury-incident-report-hard-evidence-for-soft-minds/

  • Michael McNulty

    In a story covered by Yahoo News UK, The Telegraph is complaining this now means the Russians have a “nerve-gas hit squad” in Britain which endangers children and passers-by. I don’t read fiction but this evidence-free emotive gush is all getting very dark, very sinister.

    • Pyotr Grozny

      The version I saw said the hit-squad smeared the Novichok gel and then fled the country before it took effect. With all the resources devoted to this it shouldn’t be too difficult to check Russians who left Britain on 3rd/4th March, but I haven’t heard of any investigations along this line. And of course if the assassins did flee that wouldn’t necessarily indicate who ordered the poisoning.

      • Mary Paul

        Mmmm wasn’t Glushkov strangled in south west London a few days later………………

  • Neil

    The use of the disjunctive predicate ‘Novichok OR closely related agent’ is reminisent of the statements from France and Britain on the Khan Sheikoun incident. Where they said they had identified “Sarin or a sarin like substance”. I examined the OPCW report annexes at the time and found as below: See Annexes in this OPCW doc https://www.opcw.org/…/Fact_Finding_Miss…/s-1497-2017_e_.pdf

    SARIN-LIKE SUBSTANCE AVAILABLE ON INTERNET

    Whilst corporate media and western governments insist that Assad gasses his own people and officials say they have toxicology results of exposure to ‘sarin or sarin-like substance’ at Khan Sheikoun; a close reading of the OPCW documents show the positive biomedical results are for an organophosphorus compound – isopropyl methyl phosphonate or isopropyl methyl phosphonic acid. This compound is indeed sarin-like, but is also available for purchase on the internet for commercial use (most probably as a pesticide). How on earth the presence of this compound in toxicology results would thereby specifically demonstrate the culpability of the Syrian government, when it can be bought online, I fail to see.

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    • Neil

      https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/Fact_Finding_Mission/s-1497-2017_e_.pdf
      S/1497/2017
      Annex 2
      page 6
      Annex 2
      RESULTS FROM BIOMEDICAL SAMPLES TAKEN
      IN THE PRESENCE OF TEAM MEMBERS
      At the time the samples were taken, the team noted that one of the 10 casualties appeared to
      have trauma related injuries and further noted that his blood and urine tested negative for
      sarin or sarin-like substances. Seven of the remaining nine blood samples and three of the
      remaining four urine samples tested positive for sarin or a sarin-like substance or related
      metabolites.
      No Patient
      Reference
      Blood Urine
      Sample
      Reference Analysis Results Sample
      Reference Analysis Results
      1 1321 1321/P
      Positive for sarin
      or sarin-like
      substance
      N/A N/A
      2 1355 1355/P Nothing detected 1355/U Nothing detected
      3 1305 1305/P
      Positive for sarin
      or sarin-like
      substance
      N/A N/A
      4 1304 1304/P
      Positive for sarin
      or sarin-like
      substance
      N/A N/A
      5 1353 1353/P
      Positive for sarin
      or sarin-like
      substance
      N/A N/A
      6 1356 1356/P
      Positive for sarin
      or sarin-like
      substance
      1356/U Isopropyl
      methylphosphonate
      7 1302 1302/P Nothing detected N/A N/A
      8 1354 1354/P Nothing detected 1354/U Nothing detected
      9 1320 1320/P
      Positive for sarin
      or sarin-like
      substance
      1320/U Isopropyl
      methylphosphonate
      10 1358 1358/P
      Positive for sarin
      or sarin-like
      substance
      1358/U Isopropyl
      methylphosphonate

    • saluspopuli.org

      N. Yes, indeed, it is useful to review the April 2017 incident. The White House, under McMaster’s direction, manufactured a four page report. Presumably this was done because they could not get the Intelligence Community to cook an appropriate and politically useful intelligence assessment. Thus, a mere White House report. Hardly the result of all source fusion and the like.

      So far, we have not heard any claim by the Trump administration that our IC has made an assessment that supports British claims and ever changing narrative of the Skripal incident. In fact, the US position and expulsion is said to be in solidarity with the UK. Thus, the inducation is that this is political solidarity not backed up by a formal IC assessment. The Continentals seem to take a similar approach…political solidarity not dependent on intelligence assessments.

      Dr. T. Postel, emeritus MIT professor, refuted the White House narrative. We may recall the White Helmets played a role in disseminating information about this incident at KS.

      https://www.globalresearch.ca/assessment-of-white-house-intelligence-report-about-nerve-agent-attack-in-khan-shaykhun-syria/5584867

        • saluspopuli.org

          N. Excellent, thx. PA just posted the following at Pat’s site:

          “1. It’s obvious nonsense brought to you by proven liars.
          2. The point of propaganda is to leave an impression after the details have been forgotten.
          3. To get involved in discussing the minutiae of the story is to help the propagandists’ aims.
          4. Therefore treat it as a badly constructed story that is failing to convince.
          5. Do this by analysing the comments on the news stories which (at least the ones I’ve looked at) show that people are sceptical.
          6. Also mock the meanderings of the story: At the restaurant! In the car! On the doorstep! Incredibly lethal but strangely ineffective. Miraculous recovery of daughter. Baby wipes as effective protection. Reminiscent of White Helmets and their flip flops, rubber gloves and paper masks; but, come to think of it, it’s the same authors in both stories. Who, after so many lies, are becoming overconfident and sloppy.

          It’s a startlingly incompetent theatrical production and should be responded to with contemptuous mockery.”

          http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/03/skripalmania.html

          Theater of the absurd indeed…. Boris and his monkeyshines.

          • Crackerjack

            Wise words but I think we all know how this turns out.

            The OPCW report will mirror PD’s. The substance was a nerve agent of a type developed by the Soviet Union or related compound

            Are you with us or against us?

          • saluspopuli.org

            The April 2017 event in Syria was staged, according to some experts. Thus, it would follow that the “samples” for OPCW were staged. The British founded and funded org in Syria called the “White Helmets” were involved. They operate in terrorist controlled areas as support.

            What do we know about any “samples” for OPCW this time?

            An interesting comment by journalist Rania Khalek at the time of the April 2017 incident:

            …” “Idlib, which is the province in Syria where this attack occurred, it is an area that is under the control of armed groups that are either al Qaida or affiliates of al Qaida,” Khalek adds. “The village in particular that was hit with this alleged chemical weapons attack, it’s under the control of Ahrar al Sham, which is one of the most prominent and extremist groups in Syria.”

            “They are like the Taliban. They impose harsh Islamic law. They kill aid workers. They kill journalists. They kill activists. There is no independent information coming out of these areas at all. All of it is under the control and needs the approval of these armed groups that are in control. So, all of the information that you are getting out of these areas, whether it is from the White Helmets or whether it looks like it’s from what they like to call themselves media activists, that information does not come out without the input of these al Qaida-linked rebel groups.””…

            https://raniakhalek.com/

  • Sebastian

    I retain a forlorn hope that what we’re watching is Boris Johnson leading the world’s “diplomats” in a reenactment of that for some reason hugely celebrated defeat, The Charge Of The Light Brigade: Exactly how long it might take for a liar to be revealed to all as covered in his own ridiculousness remains to be seen.

    As for the top secret “for their eyes only” stuff, The Americans clearly state that they’re in it out of loyalty. If that’s to TM and BJ, or the Neoconservative narrative, or both, is anybody’s guess.

  • Sean Lamb

    A little more on the Nick “work accident” Bailey scenario. This is just to flesh out the scenario I raised above that Nick Bailey’s poisoning may have been a “work accident” where traces of A-234 were sprayed across Salisbury leading to the Skripals’ front-door in order to direct attention away from the actual crime scene and obfuscate the investigation.

    It may be the plan was originally to be like the Alexander Litvinenko investigation, where a tell-tale series of secondary A-234 traces would be discovered across Salisbury with the actual poison to be placed in Julia Skripal’s luggage. Because Bailey and colleague(s) at that point couldn’t gain access to the residence, the actual item to contain the poison would be planted or contaminated later. It was to be another triumph of British rara Science over the sinister Slav. However, it came unstuck when Nick Bailey also fell ill, because it was considered that getting ill from a secondary deposition would be a bit of a scientific stretch. Hence the police are stuck at the moment with the rather unlikely scenario of Russians sneaking up at night and planting “Novichoks” on the door. And I rather doubt they have any convenient Russians lurking around in Salisbury that they can shoe-horn into the guilty party. So I wouldn’t be surprised if ever-so-discretely the police don’t tip-toe back to the idea it was planted in Julia Skripal’s luggage (perhaps by the vengeful mother-in-law) in the near future.

    Either way, I still am not inclined to think the Brits actually did the attempted assassination themselves, they don’t like to get their hands dirty in quite so an overt fashion.

    • Bayleaf

      “Either way, I still am not inclined to think the Brits actually did the attempted assassination themselves, they don’t like to get their hands dirty in quite so an overt fashion.”

      Of course. It might be farmed out to a friendly agency who might subcontract it to a group of hired hands. There will certainly be cut-outs, false trails and plausible deniability. It’s standard spycraft. It might also be a Gladio-style operation undertaken either at the instigation of the Brits or with their full knowledge and agreement.

      What’s fairly plain by now is that the police are making no serious effort to identify and apprehend the villains. This speaks volumes about British culpability,

  • Tony_0pmoc

    I find it extremely difficult, to work out a real motive for this most bizarre propaganda event. All it serves to do, is to completely discredit the British Government, and all The mainstream media in the eyes of almost everyone, who has taken any real interest in it.

    So who is responsible for it? Was it The British Government’s idea, or did they simply do what they were told, by for example, the head of Nato, The CIA or someone within the highly divided US Government?

    On the face of it, the British Government, have not only become a laughing stock, they are almost certain to be blamed for this nonsense, by everyone including Nato. Absolutely no one with any intelligence can take it seriously.

    Or is there another motive, that no one has yet seriously considered?

    The British Government, does not normally make itself look completely ridiculous on purpose. They actually have highly intelligent people working for them, who gameplan, and predict the likely effect of their actions.

    The gameplan, does not include going to war with Russia. We wouldn’t last an afternoon. It also almost certainly does not include antagonising The Russians to such an effect, that Russia turns off all their energy supplies to Europe.

    Assuming that the British Government, has not gone completely insane, there must be another powerful motive.

    Is the British Government somewhat independent, from American control? BREXIT would not have happenned without powerful forces within The British Government wanting it. The American’s most certainly didn’t.

    So, is this a plan, that these powerful British forces, can both sweep away the incompetent May Government and perhaps have one led by for example Jacob Rees-Mogg who does give the impression of being highly intelligent, and of independent thought, and also discredit the neocon lunatics in Washington?

    Some country has got to break away, from this current insanity of totally counter-productive propaganda, lies and war, leading civilisation to its own self destruction.

    Maybe BREXIT was just the first step, and the next step will make the UK much more Independent from these American lunatics.

    It wouldn’t be the first time that this has happenned in a European Country. Even France did it. “In 1966, all French forces were removed from the integrated command and all foreign forces told to leave France. Since Nato’s military headquarters were near Paris, these had to be moved to Belgium.”

    France was independent from NATO for 43 years. They didn’t rejoin until 2009.

    If France can do it, I don’t see why The UK can’t.

    Within the last few years for the first time (more or less since Victoria Nuland issued her infamous words (“Fick The EU”) the Americans, by economically attacking Russia (which has had very liitle effect), were in reality economically attacking Europe.

    If your friends behave like that, they are no longer your friends. If they can’t behave, tell them to get lost. The Russians aren’t the problem, its the Americans.

    Tony

    • Ultraviolet

      “Assuming that the British Government, has not gone completely insane, there must be another powerful motive.”

      Looking at the past three years, I genuinely think we are looking at the most incompetent Government we have ever had. I really don’t buy into any claims of some sort of Machiavellian plan here. Just an utter cock-up from start to finish.

  • saluspopuli.org

    For an interesting analysis situating the Skripal incident into a geopolitcal context linked to developments in Syria:

    http://21stcenturywire.com/2018/03/20/will-syria-be-the-battleground-for-all-out-war-between-russia-and-america/

    Developments in Syria have registered substantial gains by the government of Syria and its army versus Western terrorists. The terrorists are tools in the regime change game. The Skripal incident comes at a time when Russian assistance on the battlefields renders significant victories. Thus, it is arguable that Skripal incident and anti-Russia campaign is a pysop linked to Syria and the ME situation.

    • Tony_0pmoc

      saluspopuli.org,

      Yes, we all get that, but in my personal experience of meeting, mainly ex-British military forces (even Ex-SAS), they exhibit a high degree of morality. They joined when they were teenagers, for the excitement, to serve their country, to do their best, to get their energy and adrenaline off. They knew nothing – just kids, thought they were protecting us in the killing fields in some foreign land, and find themselves killing, in order to survive. They are not all mental wrecks, but some have cried all over me, and those have still got their arms and legs.

      With this current level of propaganda, I find it almost impossible to defend anything “British”, on the international internet.

      As British, this nonsense has discredited me too.

      I am ashamed.

      Tony

      • saluspopuli.org

        TO, the post related to the Syrian situation and timing of the Skripal incident in the latest phase of the anti-Russia campaign. We are not anti-British and greatly appreciate Elizabeth 1, Sir Walter Raleigh, Walsingham, and all that. The Stuart tyranny is another matter.

  • Dave54

    Just looked at this week’s Private Eye 23rd march, page 7, the number crunching box says 1 day given by prime minister Theresa May for Russia to explain Skripol poisoning but 1 YEAR taken by Theresa May as home secretary in preventing public enquiry into Litvinenko death fearing the effect on relations with russia (finally granted by high court after 1 year). What could have changed? Elections in may perhaps?
    P.s. what has happened to craig murray…no more posts?

    • Tony_0pmoc

      Craig, has done the most Brilliant Research work here, and his ISP are amazing, at defeating the attacks to silence him. His blog on this subject, is being linked to from all over the world. So faras I can tell, he is the Number One Authority in The World, on Countering the ludicrous British Government claims, who he used to work for.

      He takes his holidays seriously, and has probably gone fishing in a Scottish Loch.

      Unlike others who have posted here for the last 10 years, I have never met him.

      Tony

    • Un individu louche

      ” what has happened to craig murray…no more posts?”

      D Notice?

      Just a thought

      or just an easter break. Have a good Easter Craig.

      • Sebastian

        When the D notice arrives this article and comments are gone. I’m hopeful that someone who knows how has taken up Craig’s suggestion, made during his DOS problem of some days ago, and mirrored it in some other jurisdiction(s).

    • Stephen

      If the plane at Heathrow is the plane Yulia came here on then it must have been here and back a few times since she came before the attack. The only difference I can think of now is the fact that Yulia is supposedly awake and talking. So what could Yulia have said to make the police raid an international flight at least a month after she could have been on it. If it was just to take samples then surely they would have known which flight and seat she was in before she awoke. It would be interesting if the plane had been out of service for any unusual period since the attack.
      There is always the chance that the police were planting something, but to what ends. It has been reported that some of the Russian embassy staff could be leaving today. Could they be booked on that flight.

      I know this is all a bit out there, but there’s not much to gone at the moment.

    • Stephen

      The MET have responded.

      We are aware of a story circulating on social media. Please be advised that Metropolitan Police are not conducting a search of an Airbus inbound from Moscow at Heathrow.
      — Metropolitan Police (@metpoliceuk) March 30, 2018
      Could it be a different police force at Heathrow or maybe spooks ?

    • Stephen

      Update from Foreign office via BBC

      In another development, Russian media reported that British police had boarded a plane belonging to the Russian airline Aeroflot at London’s Heathrow Airport on Friday to carry out a search.

      An unnamed source quoted by the Interfax news agency said the Russian airliner had arrived from Moscow and, after passengers had disembarked, police ordered the crew off so that the plane could be searched. The pilots refused to leave, the source said, but the search went ahead.

      The UK Foreign Office told the BBC that customs officers had boarded a plane in London, but gave no further details.

      Russia’s foreign ministry spokeswoman called it “the next provocation”, following the fallout from the Skripal affair.

        • Paul Barbara

          @ Emily March 30, 2018 at 22:55

          ‘…A plane by Russia’s Aeroflot has been searched by British authorities at London Heathrow airport who gave no reason for the examination. Russia’s Foreign Ministry called it “provocation” as international rules were breached.
          The British officials went aboard an Aeroflot plane, which arrived from Sheremetyevo airport in Moscow to the British capital on Thursday. The officers said they needed to inspect the plane without explaining the reasons for the action and demanded the crew to leave the plane. The captain refused to abandon the aircraft as it’s against regulations to inspect an aircraft in the absence of the crew. Yet the authorities proceeded with the search without releasing the commander from his cabin….’

          Diplomacy? Evidence? International laws? Wot, we worry?
          We’re British – we’re exceptional!(-ly good at warmongering and lying).

      • Ray

        Ivan

        Really

        Maybe you could answer the following questions.

        Embassy Press Officer on unanswered questions regarding the Salisbury poisoning

        Question: At yesterday’s briefing, the Official Representative of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that the Embassy had asked quite a few questions that remain unanswered. What are those questions?

        Answer: Indeed, we are witnessing a blatant violation by the UK of its international obligations under the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations and the 1968 bilateral Consular Convention. We have not received a response to our multiple questions and requests made through diplomatic notes. Failure by Britain to engage in normal diplomatic exchange with the Embassy on this matter is regrettable.

        The questions to which we are awaiting answers are as follows:

        1) What is Mr and Ms Skripal’s exact diagnosis and condition?

        2) What treatment are they receiving?

        3) Is that treatment the same as that provided to Sgt Nick Bailey?

        4) Is it true that Yulia Skripal has regained consciousness and can communicate, eat and drink?

        5) Mr Bailey has been discharged, Yulia Skripal is getting better, but why is Sergei Skripal still in a critical condition?

        6) Did Mr Bailey, Mr Skripal and Ms Skripal receive antidotes?

        7) Which antidotes?

        8) How were the right antidotes identified?

        9) Did they actually help or harm?

        10) The Embassy immediately informed the FCO that Mr Skripal’s niece has been enquiring of her uncle’s and cousin’s health. Why have the authorities ignored her?

        11) Why are there no photos/videos confirming that the Skripals are alive and at hospital?

        12) Did the Skripals agree on Salisbury CCTV footage to be shown on TV?

        13) If not, who agreed on their behalf?

        14) Can that person also agree on hospital photos/videos to be published?

        15) Why are consuls not allowed to see the Skripals?

        16) How are doctors protected against chemical exposure?

        17) Can consuls use the same protection?

        18) Where, how and by whom were blood samples collected from the Skripals?

        19) How was it documented?

        20) Who can certify that the data is credible?

        21) How can we be sure that the chain of custody was up to international standards?

        22) Through what methods did experts identify the substance so quickly?

        23) Had they possessed a sample against which to test the substance?

        24) Where had that sample come from?

        25) Nerve agents act immediately. Why was it not the case with the Skripals?

        26) Leaks suggest the Skripals were poisoned at a pub, at a restaurant, in their car, at the airport, at home… Which version is the official one?

        27) How to reconcile quick political moves with Scotland Yard’s statement that the investigation will take “months”?

        https://www.rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6443

        https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy

  • Godfrey Hutchins

    I’m sceptical of any information coming from this government as I was over Blair’s WMD’s. This gongoistic rhetoric coming just before the local elections is no surprise. who benefits most from this fiasco certainly Mrs May and get cronies. It’s Thatcher all over again as with the Falklands raising her standing in the eyes of the brainwashed right wing media and it’s followers.
    For me it stinks of an inside job. Wouldn’t be the first false flag attack I’ve heard of. So many conflicting bits of supposed evidence that we’re supposed to accept without question.

  • bj

    Here’s the story on the Aeroflot searhc: https://www.rusemb.org.uk/fnapr/6445

    Also, I’d like to reiterate a question I posed earlier:

    After the alleged attack, and since the theory was that it was a fast working nerve agent, did the UK ever seal its borders, in an effort to apprehend possible suspects that might be fleeing the country?

    If not, why not and wouldn’t that have been standard procedure in a case like this, that has also been described as ‘terrorism’.?

    Questions, questions…

  • Tony_0pmoc

    Sorry, which bit didn’t you get ? Was it The Lamb on Easter Saturday or The Chocalate Bunny on Easter Sunday?

    Tony

    “Last Act Of ‘Novichok’ Drama Revealed – “The Skripals’ Resurrection””

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/she-is-risen-last-act-of-novichok-drama-revealed-the-skripals-resurrection.html

    Extract

    “It seems that the ‘Novichok’ fairy-tale the British government plays to us provides for a happy ending – the astonishing and mysterious resurrection of the victims of a “military grade” “five to eight times more deadly than VX gas” “nerve agent” “of a type developed by” Hollywood.

    Happy Easter!

    Yulia Skripal no longer in critical condition, say Salisbury doctors

    The condition of Yulia Skripal, who was poisoned with a nerve agent in Salisbury along with her father, is improving rapidly, doctors have said.

    Salisbury NHS foundation trust said on Thursday the 33-year-old was no longer in a critical condition, describing her medical state as stable.

    Christine Blanshard, medical director for Salisbury district hospital, said: “I’m pleased to be able to report an improvement in the condition of Yulia Skripal. She has responded well to treatment but continues to receive expert clinical care 24 hours a day.”

    Her father’s condition is still described by the hospital as critical but stable.

    Only yesterday the Skripals chances to survive was claimed to be 1 out of 99. Nerve agents are deadly weapons. A dose of ten milligram of the U.S. developed VX nerve agent will kill 50% of those exposed to it. The ‘Novichok’ agents are said to be several times more deadly than VX.

    It seems less and less likely that the British government claim about ‘Novichok’ poisoning is actually true. Way more likely are other explanations, for example food poisoning or an allergic shock soon after eating out at a fish restaurant.

    The claims of a nerve agent and ‘Novichok’ seem to have been taken from the script of the British-American spy drama Strike Back (clip) which recently ran on British and U.S. TV. The sole purpose of the ‘Novichok’ drama is to implicate and damage Russia.”

    • Paul Barbara

      @ Reply ↓ Tony_0pmoc March 31, 2018 at 02:27

      Another extract from the MoA article:
      ‘…The Skripals were said to have left their home at 9:00am in the morning. They collapsed relatively sudden at 4:00pm in the afternoon. Is this seven hour delay consistent with being severely affected by a “military grade” highly toxic nerve agent? I doubt it.
      But even if a nerve agent of the ‘novichok’ type was involved the jump to allegations against Russia is completely baseless. David B. Collum is Professor for Organic Chemistry at Cornell University. He really, really knows this stuff:
      Dave Collum @DavidBCollum – 12:54 AM – 27 Mar 2018
      I will say it again: Anybody who tells you this nerve agent must have come from Russia is a liar–a complete and utter liar. They are simple compounds.
      The Skripals are getting better. Good for them. But their resurrection from certain death is a further dint in the British government’s claim of ‘nerve agent’ ‘of a type developed by Russia’.
      The whole anti-Russian campaign constructed out of it is just ridiculous and deeply dishonest. The five page propaganda handout the British provided to other governments is a joke. It provided no solid facts on the case. To respond to it rationally, as Russia tries to do, makes little sense…..’

  • Ivan

    It has been four weeks since this story broke, yet all we have from the Russians is a hysterical display of – how dare you accuse Ceaser’s wife of adultery. As the successor nation of the old Soviet Union, (with the right to nuclear weapons, veto power in the UN etc.) they have the moral obligation to clear the air in this matter. The British may well have their own agenda, but all the Russians are doing here is spreading FUD. For all their denials initially that they knew anything about a ‘Novichok’ programme, it has now been clearly shown that there was such a programme, Engaging in semantic games about ‘Russia’ and ‘the Soviet Union’ is not going to cut it. The scientists who had worked in it have spoken out, surely the Russian state authorities know about this matter it least as well as them. That shows to me, the workings of a guilty conscience. All the factual information has come from either the independent media, or some of the Western papers, with nothing at all from RT or Sputnik save useless theories on how the West is using this for their own ends.

    • StephenF

      ” all we have from the Russians is a hysterical display of – how dare you accuse Ceaser’s wife of adultery. ”

      Couldn’t be further from the truth. Quite the opposite: May, Johnson, Nikki Haley et al., in their ire, repeatedly characterized Russian response as snarky and disdainful. In Parliament, May said the Russians reacted with “sarcasm, contempt, and defiance” to her allegations. Russian dignitaries and missions made a number of mocking statements highlighting Britain’s complete lack of evidence and improbability of accusations. It was nowhere near “hysterical”.

      In fact, if anyone’s “hysterical”, it’s the UK: so far we’ve seen nothing even approaching evidence, but the degree of their rhethoric has been climbing by the hour, culminating with Johnson comparing Putin to Hitler while in a sitting of British Parliament.

      As for “”Caesar’s wife must be above suspicion”, prime example is to be found with U.S. and UK reactions to Russian allegations that they might be behind the incident: there’s complete disdain, contempt and defiance in heaps.

  • Tony_0pmoc

    As none of our British politicians, nor our CIA controlled Media, has said a word about the Massive Fire Disaster in Russia last Sunday, and I wouldn’t know anything about it, except I read Dmity Orlov’s blog…this is what he said about it…

    (What the hell is wrong with You British psychos?)

    Have you no compassion. Do you just literally hate Russians?

    Why?

    I am disgusted with you.

    Our English Children are just the same as Their Russian Children

    Tony

    “Kemerovo and the Circles of Ugliness ”

    cluborlov.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/kemerovo-and-circles-of-ugliness.html

    Extract

    “You may have heard of the tragic event I am about to describe, or not. If you have heard about it in English, then, chances are, what you have heard is part of a programmatic anti-Russian hatchet job. Normally, I would be reluctant to write about it; it is generally best to make celebrations public and tragedies private. But in this case a great number of people, at different levels, have attempted to profit and to extract benefits from this tragedy, generating a gigantic cloud of black smoke far greater than that generated by the event itself.

    This truly ghastly tragedy unfolded last Sunday, March 25, in Kemerovo (stress is on the first syllable), Kuzbass Region, Siberia. A fire at the Winter Cherry shopping and recreation center claimed the lives of 64 people, including 41 children. Only 27 bodies have been identified; others await genetic analysis. The injured number 79, 12 of whom remain hospitalized; 67 have been discharged and will be treated as outpatients. Victims’ families and each of the injured have been given 1 million rubles by the regional government (17350 USD). In addition, the major owner of the center, the entrepreneur Denis Shtengelov, has promised to pay out 3 million rubles for each deceased. All victims have also been assigned a doctor and a psychologist to follow their case to rehabilitation.

    Russians are inured to tragedy. The harsh climate and the long winters, accompanied by snowed-in, icy roads, frequent whiteout conditions and the like cause a lot of transportation accidents. Terrorist attacks have claimed their share of victims. But this incident really shook people to the core, and the outpouring of grief has spanned the entire country; first, because its cause wasn’t nature or war—it was a man-made disaster—and second, because so many victims were children, who simply showed up on Sunday for a day of fun. Spontaneous memorials went up all across the country, from Vladivostok in the east (5400km from Kemerovo) to St. Petersburg in the west (4100km), and across the world. Along with the outpouring of grief and support, respect was been paid to the heroes of this tragedy, both dead and living. Tatiana Darsalia, an English teacher, led her own daughter out of the burning building, then ran back in to save other children; she did not survive. Dmitry Polukhin, a cadet in the Emergencies Ministry, managed to grab a hold of and carry outside three children at once—a boy and two girls; he survived.

    This, then, is the core of the tragedy—all perfectly human and understandable. After a great deal of grief, and much support from the outside, Kemerovo will eventually heal. But around this tragedy, as soon as it occurred, was set in orbit a veritable asteroid cloud of human ugliness: beastly soulless predatory humanity attempting to derive some scant personal or group benefit from the deaths of children. English lacks good words to describe such people; all it has is vulgar Anglo-Saxon expletives and mealy-mouthed imitations of long-dead Latin. Just labeling such people won’t work; instead, I will sort these orbiting human flaming turds into orbits—Circles of Ugliness, I will call them—the way Dante Alighieri famously assigned sinners to circles of Hell—and perhaps I will even bestow upon them some some suitably medieval eternal torments.

    At the very center of this set of Circles of Ugliness may lie a black hole: the fire may have been arson. (It may also have resulted from an accidental short circuit; the investigation is not complete). But if it was arson, a leading theory is that it started in a play pit in a children’s playroom. The pit was filled with styrofoam blocks, and someone (no suspects yet) may have set one of them on fire. The fire then quickly spread to the entire pit, the synthetic ropes that hung over it, the burning ropes spread it to the walls and the rest of the space, and from there throughout the structure.”

    • Ivan

      The Western countries did send messages of sympathy. I don’t know what Orlov is carrying on about. The suffering of children is unbearable for almost anyone in the world. Why was styrofoam used in the play pen, after its horrific role in the Grenfell Tower burning? All they needed was to fill the play slides and so on with air. I am afraid it points to gross corruption in Siberia. And Putin with his all knowing pose cannot escape responsibility. After all the Tsar knows, Stalin knows etc…

      • Tony_0pmoc

        Russians are humans like us. We all make mistakes. The important thing, is to recognise this, and to correct the mistakes, so it doesn’t happen again. I sometimes have got really annoyed with the management of the venue, when I can’t go outside to have a smoke – because they have locked the doors to escape. I go right up to them. Why is this door locked, so I can’t go outside?

        You have got to take these people on, and test them to ensure they comply with basic safety regulations.

        I even do it in my Mother-in-Law’s house.

        How do I get outside, if your house is on fire?

        Tony

        • Ivan

          Exits were blocked, fire sprinklers did not work and no doubt there were dodgy electrical wiring. I am an Indian, the first thing I do when I get into a shopping centre is to look for where the exits are. It seems to me that Russians have fallen for the glitz of modern looking buildings without taking into account how dangerous things can be, This points to incompetence or worse.

          • Ray

            Ivan.

            May I ask, when you are visiting a shopping centre, how do you ascertain that the smoke and heat ventilation systems
            (SHEVS) are in working order and that all the final exits are unlocked ?

          • Ivan

            Ray, did I say that I can ascertain these matters? I merely take note of the exits, and point it out whenever they are blocked. My point is these structures can turn into firetraps. For that reason all will have to be cautious, and it would appear especially so in Russia given their corruption and incompetence.

    • Mary Paul

      I mainly read news online these days and I have read about the dreadful fire in Russia in some detail and it was certainly covered there by western media.

  • Paul Barbara

    ‘British authorities searching Russian plane in London without giving reason is provocation – Moscow’:
    https://www.rt.com/news/422811-britain-plane-russia-provocation/

    Emily posted this link above, but it’s worth a boost.
    I think it’s about time that Putin took the gloves off, and disclosed some of the information Russia must have about the Clintons and MK-Ultra, Mena Airpot/drugs importation, the Clinton Foundation and child traficking/abuse, and of course the CIA and American Military’s links to all the above.
    Then they could release what they know about paedophilia by our renowned Parliamentarians, Judges, police and Social Services.

    If you know anything about the Cathy O’Brien/Mark Phillips case, Mark Phillips, ex-CIA operative, only learnt of Cathy’s plight from a Chinese intelligence agent when he was on a business trip to China. The Intel guy also had all of Mark Phillips CIA dossier, which he showed him! So the Russkis must have a good deal of info on our ‘Pervs in Parliament’ and the Establishment.

    • Ivan

      The authorities at any airport are empowered within limits to search aeroplanes, without having to clear it with the nations whom the aeroplanes belong to. The Russians should quit this high drama and focus on how they intend to explain their persistent denial of a Novichok programme, when it seems every self-respecting chemist in Russia knew about it.

      • Paul Barbara

        @ Ivan March 31, 2018 at 08:57

        ‘…A plane by Russia’s Aeroflot has been searched by British authorities at London Heathrow airport who gave no reason for the examination. Russia’s Foreign Ministry called it “provocation” as international rules were breached.
        The British officials went aboard an Aeroflot plane, which arrived from Sheremetyevo airport in Moscow to the British capital on Thursday. The officers said they needed to inspect the plane without explaining the reasons for the action and demanded the crew to leave the plane. The captain refused to abandon the aircraft as it’s against regulations to inspect an aircraft in the absence of the crew. Yet the authorities proceeded with the search without releasing the commander from his cabin…’

        What part of ‘…international rules were breached…’ don’t you understand?

      • StephenF

        “how they intend to explain their persistent denial of a Novichok programme, when it seems every self-respecting chemist in Russia knew about it” – Russians from the outset said there was no such thing as “Novichok” developed in Russia, and it appears they are correct, that “Novichok” is a name cooked up by defector Mirzayanov that became known in the West, while Soviet research went by alphanumerical codes and concerned an entire array of different compounds. So Russians were correct. And their reaction was not surprising considering May gave them 24 hours to “prove their innocence” in an ultimatum. No wonder their first reports were that no such thing as “Novichok” existed in USSR.

        Take into account also that OPCW looked into Mirzayanov’s allegations twice, in 2011 and 2013, and still declared Russian chemical weapons successfully destroyed in 2017. Nobody objected then, not US, UK or anybody else.

    • Emily

      Clinton body count
      Mike Rivero at What Really Happened posts some excellent stuff
      Here is some of his Hillary ‘library’..
      If you look at the top of his site – you will see a lot of special headings you can click into – including these – but a far wider range of topics.
      http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.php#axzz5BEzCTiFR
      Mena
      http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/mena.php#axzz5BEzCTiFR
      Clinton’s mess
      http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/EpicOfClintonsMess.php#axzz5BEzCTiFR
      Clinton spying
      http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hillarythespy.php#axzz5BEzCTiFR
      Vince Foster
      http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/FOSTER_COVERUP/foster.php#axzz5BEzCTiFR

      http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

      • Paul Barbara

        @ Emily March 31, 2018 at 13:34
        Another very good info source re the Clinton’s is Gary Webb’s ‘Dark Alliance: The CIA, the Contras and the Crack Cocaine Explosion’.
        He supposedly ‘committed suicide’ not long after the book came out…..

  • TJ

    Now we have an interesting Clinton-Novichok connection –

    “on Apr 3 2009, Hillary Clinton, as SecyState, sent instructions to US chemical weapon negotiators to “avoid any substantive discussion of the Mirazayanov book” on novichoks and “discourage substantive discussions” if issue arose. Why?”

    From https://twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/979768829969485824?s=09

    https://i.imgur.com/6Gu3AWz.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/2EtEPSd.jpg

    https://search.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE32931_a.html

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