Boris Johnson A Categorical Liar 1862


Evidence submitted by the British government in court today proves, beyond any doubt, that Boris Johnson has been point blank lying about the degree of certainty Porton Down scientists have about the Skripals being poisoned with a Russian “novichok” agent.

Yesterday in an interview with Deutsche Welle Boris Johnson claimed directly Porton Down had told him they positively identified the nerve agent as Russian:

You argue that the source of this nerve agent, Novichok, is Russia. How did you manage to find it out so quickly? Does Britain possess samples of it?

Let me be clear with you … When I look at the evidence, I mean the people from Porton Down, the laboratory …

So they have the samples …

They do. And they were absolutely categorical and I asked the guy myself, I said, “Are you sure?” And he said there’s no doubt.

I knew and had published from my own whistleblowers that this is a lie. Until now I could not prove it. But today I can absolutely prove it, due to the judgement at the High Court case which gave permission for new blood samples to be taken from the Skripals for use by the OPCW. Justice Williams included in his judgement a summary of the evidence which tells us, directly for the first time, what Porton Down have actually said:

The Evidence
16. The evidence in support of the application is contained within the applications
themselves (in particular the Forms COP 3) and the witness statements.
17. I consider the following to be the relevant parts of the evidence. I shall identify the
witnesses only by their role and shall summarise the essential elements of their
evidence.
i) CC: Porton Down Chemical and Biological Analyst
Blood samples from Sergei Skripal and Yulia Skripal were analysed and the
findings indicated exposure to a nerve agent or related compound. The samples
tested positive for the presence of a Novichok class nerve agent OR CLOSELY RELATED AGENT.

The emphasis is mine. This sworn Court evidence direct from Porton Down is utterly incompatible with what Boris Johnson has been saying. The truth is that Porton Down have not even positively identified this as a “Novichok”, as opposed to “a closely related agent”. Even if it were a “Novichok” that would not prove manufacture in Russia, and a “closely related agent” could be manufactured by literally scores of state and non-state actors.

This constitutes irrefutable evidence that the government have been straight out lying – to Parliament, to the EU, to NATO, to the United Nations, and above all to the people – about their degree of certainty of the origin of the attack. It might well be an attack originating in Russia, but there are indeed other possibilities and investigation is needed. As the government has sought to whip up jingoistic hysteria in advance of forthcoming local elections, the scale of the lie has daily increased.

On a sombre note, I am very much afraid the High Court evidence seems to indicate there is very little chance the Skripals will ever recover; one of the reasons the judge gave for his decision is that samples taken now will be better for analysis than samples taken post mortem.

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The state and corporate media now have evidence of the vast discrepancy between what May and Johnson are saying, and the truth about the Porton Down scientists’ position. I am afraid to say I expect this to make no difference whatsoever to the propaganda output of the BBC.


1,862 thoughts on “Boris Johnson A Categorical Liar

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  • TJ

    Now we have an interesting Clinton-Novichok connection –

    “on Apr 3 2009, Hillary Clinton, as SecyState, sent instructions to US chemical weapon negotiators to “avoid any substantive discussion of the Mirazayanov book” on novichoks and “discourage substantive discussions” if issue arose. Why?”

    From https://twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/979768829969485824?s=09

    https://i.imgur.com/6Gu3AWz.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/2EtEPSd.jpg

    https://search.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE32931_a.html

  • Billy Bostickson

    @TJ, I posted this a few days ago, must admit it’s difficult to keep track and know what has been posted or not here as the forum structure is quite limited and unsearchable.

    “That is simply their business,” says an initiate. „The properties of all potential toxins are investigated.” A chemist like Julian Perry Robinson assumes this. „For years, it was only about two things: novichoks and peptides”, he said in an interview with this newspaper in 2014. In February 2006, the then chairman of the scientific advisory board of the OPCW, the Czech Jiri Matousek, said it plainly: in Edgewood, novichoks are being developed.

    It appears from ‘secret’ classified telegrams (WikiLeaks: Cablegate) that the Americans have made sure that he would not dare to say that again.
    (cable links here: https://search.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06PRAGUE319_a.html and here: https://search.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09STATE32931_a.html noticed it is signed by CLINTON!)

    The article itself by Karel Knip on March 21st which revealed that is very interesting and well worth a read:

    https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2018/03/21/unknown-newcomer-novichok-was-long-known-a1596490

    My take was that they were trying to avoid information getting into Terrorist hands as it is relatively easy to make and inexpewnsive as well as being deadly (in some cases :)) But, it could be for other reasons, that’s open to conjecture.

    • StephenF

      If the US were so concerned about novichok “information getting into Terrorist hands”, they would not have allowed CIA asset Mirzayanov to publish his book in the USA in the first place.

      In fact, if novichok was real, then publishing the formula could amount to chemical weapons proliferation, something explicitly prohibited by the Chemical Weapons Convention. And such a publication should have led to an active investigation by the OPCW. Instead, we have State Department actually stifling all discussions on novichok. So the US allowed the formula to get out, but didn’t want any measures taken. Smells highly fishy to me!

      • Billy Bostickson

        Mirzayanov claimed at the time that a lot of pressure was put on him by “Washington” not to publish the formula in his book, but he chose to do so. That may help to explain why the book was “buried”.

        “…some people from Washington persistently advised me not to include the formulas of the chemical agents of the Novichok series in my book. I reminded these people that the formulas of VX gas, sarin and soman have already been published. In some books it is even possible to find the basics of the production technologies of these agents.

        http://vilmirzayanov.blogspot.com.au/2009/02/novichok-chemical-formulas-are-not.html

        • StephenF

          You’re saying an ex-Soviet defector turned CIA agent would publish formulas for a deadly chemical weapon without leave of his American handlers? Publish in USA no less? The book itself is still available on Amazon, including a Kindle version. Don’t tell me that could happen without CIA approval and direction. No way Mirzayanov could have withstood pressure from “people from Washington” if said pressure was in any way serious.

          Much more likely that he published the book at direct instruction of CIA. Maybe he didn’t even write it (or its important parts, at least).

          • Sean Lamb

            To be honest Stephen, we have no strong reason to believe A-234 is a particularly potent chemical weapon. Just the word of a person who wants to sell a book. And who wants to buy a book or intelligence from a defector who says: “You know, we investigated with a range of compounds that showed acetyl-cholinesterase inhibitor functionality. But none of them were as effective or easy to produce as VX, so we never took it much further.”?

            If you want to sell a book, it has to be secret, it has to be Soviet and it has to be utterly utterly deadly.

    • StephenF

      As mentioned by Craig, novichok and in particular Mirzayanov’s book was actually a subject of inquiry at OPCW. In 2011 the organisation reported “that there has been no confirmation of the author’s claims”, reiterating this in 2013. So either novichok is not real (i.e. not an actual military chemical weapon), or the United States succeeded in stifling its investigation and OPCW is not to be trusted in any future novichok-related pronouncements.

    • John Goss

      The most interesting part of the discussion, apart from the west deliberately denying the existence of nerve-agents of the Novichok family, was something I have read nowhere else and found in the short chronology at the end. Of the Skripals it says:

      “Incidentally, they showed all the symptoms of contamination with nerve agent: foaming around the mouth, silent vomiting, spastic draws with the limbs becoming stiff, and loss of bodily functions.”

      Certainly some of those symptoms can be applied to the death of Dr David Kelly. But how does the author know that the Skripals suffered these symptoms when we have heard nothing from the medical profession about their condition. Foaming at the mouth has been ‘reportedly’ mentioned in highly reliable news outlets like The Sun. But where has the author got the silent vomiting and loss of bodily functions from? Or does it just fit the nerve-agent scenario?

      • Mary Paul

        There were some early interviews with passers by which were recorded on film (see for example Matthew Frie report on Depatches on C4) and in the press before it was all silenced. At least one person said they saw Skripal vomiting, others that he was waving his hands in the area, and another that only the whites of Yulias eyes were visible. The female doctor, who is recording as working on Yulia (reports vary over where: some say in the park, some on admission to the hospital emergency department,) said she had lost the use of her bodily functions. The BBC reported that Yulia Skripal was unconscious, seizing, vomiting, and had lost control of her bodily functions; Sergei Skripal had gone rigid and immobile, according to CBS News. These were all comments made before a curtain of silence descended.

        • John Goss

          I don’t doubt it could be true. The trouble is Mary Paul we don’t have a name for the female doctor and the rest is emotive hearsay which supports a government meme that they were poisoned by a nerve-agent. Of course such symptoms could be created by any number of other causes, including drunkenness.

          • Mary Paul

            No I don’t have a name for the doctor but the BBC claims to have interviewed her and some of the symptoms are described on film as eye witness accounts from locals. You can see one young man describing the vomiting in Matt Frei’s Dispatches film for Channel 4 (catch up on All 4) and I saw one eye witness describing to a news team how Yulia’s eyes only showed the whites and how Mr Skripal was waving his arms around in the air. This was immediately after it happened, before the news black out and they seemed like local young people describing what they had seen. The symptoms could of course be some form of poisoning, just not a novichok nerve agent. But I assume evidence is being lined up for the OPCW. The hospital too seems to be maintaining a degree of integrity in all this.

    • StephenF

      Here’s a possible way to solve this puzzle:

      – U.S. picks up Soviet research on deadly new agents while dismantling Nukus lab in Uzbekistan;
      – CIA acquires Mirzayanov and possibly other scientists involved in Soviet chem programs;
      – U.S. secretly develops “Novichok” in violation of the Chemical Weapons Convention;
      – CIA instructs Mirzayanov to publish a book describing how “Novichok” was developed by USSR;
      – U.S. stifles any attempts to seriously investigate “Novichok”, so that their own program wouldn’t be exposed, AND so that the substance wouldn’t officially become subject of verification measures under CWC;
      – “Novichok” is normalized through mass media as linked to Russia (television spy show, various publications etc.)
      – U.S. is now free to use “Novichok” in clandestine operations while framing Russia as “developer” and “only possible source” of the agent
      – After some “test drives” with Sarin accusations in Syria, the “Grand plan” of implicating Russia in “grave breaches of international law” is ready to set in motion.

      Makes sense to me!

    • Tony_0pmoc

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      • Billy Bostickson

        Thanks, Tony, quite a lot of people visit and download documents but seem to keep their mouths shut….
        Also on Facebook if you would like to connect!

  • Passerby

    A noticeable omission from May’s impossible ultimatum to Russia, was a demand for an antidote.

    • StephenF

      Had they issued such a demand, they’d have no way of backing out of the situation. Absent “miraculous cure”, the Skripals would have had to die in order to support the Novichok theory. Apparently, London didn’t want this avenue closed – as to why, we might soon find out, considering Yulia’s “regained consciousness” and “started talking”.

      • John Goss

        The only trouble is StephenF now Yulia has allegedly started talking she will not be talking to the general public except through the lying megaphones of MSM. Remember they have both been conscious before, then unconscious, now one has regained consciousness, and that is the one incidentally who is a Russian citizen.

        • StephenF

          That’s exactly what I meant – the only reason for a Skripal to survive would be for him/her to fling accusations at Russia, thus supporting UK’s weak case. Therefore, London didn’t want to cut off avenues to an eventual “recovery” of a victim. And for that reason, they had to have a “cure”. Asking Russia for an antidote equaled admitting that a) a special antidote was necessary to treat from Novichok, b) UK didn’t have one. This would have put Britain in Russia’s hands: should Moscow have refused, Skripals had to die, otherwise it would have been clear that there had never been a Novichok in the first place.

    • Tony_0pmoc

      Passerby, What could be an antidote to Alice-in-Wonderland? Maybe The NIST report or an Easter Bunny?

  • TJ

    US rejected accusation by Scientific Advisory Board Chairman Jiri Matousek of developing and weaponizing “Novichoks”, wanted to kill discussion.

    https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06THEHAGUE450_a.html

    “7. (C) Drawing on the points provided in reftel, del rep met with delegates from the UK (Mark Matthews), Switzerland (Ruth flint), Austria (Hans Schramml) and Czech Republic (Jitka Brodska) to discuss the recent ill-considered comments made by Scientific Advisory Board Chairman Matousek to the Western Group. All of the delegates appreciated the clarification that the U.S. did not develop or weaponize NGA, including “Novichoks.” They also agreed with the U.S. that it is a bad idea to have a discussion on whether to add NGAs to the CWC Schedules of Chemicals. Finally, they all also stated that they had not heard of any interest by any delegation in pursuing such an effort, and the issue has not/not resurfaced in WEOG. “

    Stratfor thinks Cuba has “Novichoks”

    https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/attach/8/8826_For%20the%20second%20phase%20of%20the%20proliferation%20Pathways%20study.doc

    “Cuba is believed to have developed these chemical weapons: tabun, sarin, soman, yellow rain, novichok, phosgene oxime, arsine trihydride, and hydrogen cyanide. “

    Mirzayanov wants Tatarstan independence

    http://www.turkishnews.com/en/content/2008/12/22/the-declaration-of-independence-of-tatarstan/

    “The Republic of Tatarstan produces approximately 30 mln tonnes of crude oil per year, which is 6.7% of the Russia’s total. “

    https://web.archive.org/web/20060924204138/http://www.tatar.ru/index.php?DNSID=96525b60e5d8ed29efcd257b3cb3195e&node_id=792

    US government supports it-

    https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/65/657717_fwd-os-2009-224-johnson-s-russia-list-.html

    • StephenF

      Googling Matousek led me to Edgewood:

      http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/clinton-state-department-discouraged-novichok-discussion.html

      Googling Edgewood led to this:

      “Furthermore, I would like to point out that extensive research involving these toxic agents was conducted at the Edgewood Arsenal facility of the US Department of Defence. I cannot say that this research was based on the data provided by Professor Matousek or other scientists. Here is the database for one such toxic agent, with the spectra of toxic chemicals, which was a novelty at that time. Professor Matousek did not have this information; he only had the toxicology data. It is an official database for one of such compounds. It dates back to 1998 and comes from the Edgewood Arsenal.

      Vil Mirzayanov did not have these formulas in the early 2000s. Trying to earn a living and to improve his finances, Mirzayanov published a new book, probably in cooperation with the Edgewood Arsenal, titled “State secrets [An insider’s chronicle of the Russian chemical weapons programme].” This book included some formulas. Naturally, he implied a Russian connection for political reasons, as he would not have benefitted from this publication otherwise.

      Why didn’t he write this before, if he knew about it? Because he had to provide proof, which was only available in the above database. The US sent the book to the OPCW Technical Secretariat. The OPCW’s Scientific Advisory Board (SAB) carefully analysed the problem and ultimately presented its conclusions.”

      It’s from the Russian Foreign Ministry’s meeting with ambassadors, translated into English, and itself a worthwhile read:
      http://www.mid.ru/en/press_service/spokesman/briefings/-/asset_publisher/D2wHaWMCU6Od/content/id/3134581

      Seems like Russians were quite baffled not only by the accusations, but by realizing how deep this rabbit hole actually goes. They’ll certainly be aiming for a strong response, probably at the upcoming OPCW conference next week.

  • Billy Bostickson

    Big News update coming via Лев Сперанский and Екатерина Свешникова of mk,ru

    Julia’s future mother in law is an ex- Director of Russian Federal Reserve, Central District, who is married to a Russian general of the chemical warfare battalion which dealt with the Chernobyl disaster.

    Sources speak of connections with ultra-conservative Felix group of ex-KGB criminal gang and Leonard Rink.

    http://www.mk.ru/politics/2018/03/25/otravlenie-sergeya-skripalya-my-nashli-strannogo-boyfrenda-yulii.html

    • Tony_0pmoc

      Billy Bostickson,

      Thank you for your contributions, and your detective skills. I particularly thank you, for bringing to my attention, that some Russians write a complete load of bollocks too.

      Are you an American Billy?

      Do you live in Boston?

      Tony

    • StephenF

      This seems to be complete crockery. Probably some kind of pulp tabloid taking a story and running with it. Wouldn’t be surprised if their “detective work” was done by skimming the Web for particularly juicy tinfoil theories.

      But just for the fun of it – can anyone seriousbly believe that a “Russian general of the chemical warfare battalion” (general commanding a battalion? nonsense) would implicate himself with a murder on foreign soil, in Britan no less, and with an ultra-rare nerve agent that “points directly to Russia” (according to May and Johnson)? He’d have to be batshit insane to even consider it. Not to mention that if he was a general back during Chernobyl (i.e. 22 years ago), he’d be long retired by now.

      And of course, it’s completely pointless to wait until Yulia travels to England, when there is all opportunity to deal with her in Russia.

      • StephenF

        My mistake – Chernobyl was not 22, but 32 years ago. Considering average lifespan in Russia, someone who was already a general 32 years ago is probably already deceased.

      • Paul Barbara

        @ StephenF March 31, 2018 at 19:32
        Talking about Chernobyl, I suspect that was a Western (US/IS) attack that caused that; Chernobyl fuelled the ‘Russian Woodpecker’, which perforce closed down after Chernobyl ‘occurred’. So, the Russkis didn’t want to expose how they had been ‘had’ into using US software, perhaps to save money. They came up with an unlikely story of some geezer trying to shortcut something or other, or test a theory. As I said, a ‘likely story’.

      • John Goss

        There are quite a few, or rather were quite a few, familiar western companies cooperating with MK.RU including, if I remember correctly, Doughty Engineering. At least two of the pictures, the one it calls her office is from her Valet profile, and the one in a bikini is on her Russian Facebook page. Nevertheless MK.RU has provided more pictures than our media which seem to run with the main Valet profile picture which is also on her Russian FB page.

        I agree that the articles are sensationalist.

    • Artsem

      To Billy Bostickson.

      Sorry, but this artikle in MK.ru doesn’t contain info about any ‘generals’ at all. Where did you get this info?

      You’ve improperly translated the ex-position of the woman: “предприятие Федерального агентства по государственным резервам по ЦФО” means “the enterprise of the Federal Agency for State Reserves in the Central Federal”. It isn’t the same as Russian Federal Reserve Central District, which has a complicated structure with a plenty of subordinated enterprises. She was at the head of the one of them.
      see https://www.rosreserv.ru/Agentstvo/Territorialnie_organi/CentrFO

      • Billy Bostickson

        as I said, it is ROSREZERV,central district, same link you posted, If you want to find her name just check the annual awards for 2008,

        The article states that they use a pseudonym for the boyfriend, “Stanislav”, although they know his name.

        Who is Stas?

        He is an economist by training, graduate of the State University of Management.

        In 2014 he defended his thesis at the Moscow State University at the Department of Economic Sociology and Marketing of the Faculty of Sociology.

        Later he published a number of articles on social investment.

        However, Stanislav writes not only scientific works, but also poems .. On the Internet there is a whole collection of his works. Verses here for every taste – there are philosophical, and love lyrics, and even religious.

        Stanislav’s mother before the country was marked by the government’s honorary diploma in 2008.

        she was in charge of the enterprise of the Federal Agency for State Reserves for the Central Federal District.

        since 2014, she heads an NGO with an authorized capital of 5 million rubles.

        area of ​​activity is development in the field of corporate security systems, integrated technical control, as well as scientific research in the core field.

        In the same structure, Stanislav himself works.

        We do not pretend to assert, but it is very likely that the enterprise is closely connected with the power structures.

        mother did not really welcome the son’s relationship with Julia.

        friends called Stas. He prefers not to discuss the situation and limited communication – his phone does not answer calls from unfamiliar numbers, he also ignores the messages from the journalists of “MK”.

        We visited the family of Stanislav in Podolsk near Moscow,

        Stanislav’s mother, as she told about herself, works as a chief accountant.

        Every morning at exactly 7.00 near the entrance it is waiting for a jeep with a personal driver.

        father had surgery on the heart, he sits at home. Now, probably, they are at the dacha.

        – What can you say about Stanislav?

        “A fine young man!” Helped us to repair the computer.

        The last time he was seen on March 20 in a black “Land Rover” on a paid parking near the house.

  • Sean Lamb

    My rule of thumb is you can always tell what your own government is doing by what they or there National Security officials say hostile nominated countries are doing.

    Rule in thumb: Have you ever wondered why the US government is forever hysterically accusing Russia on penetrating their electricity infrastructure with malware?

    It all goes back to the August 2009 Sayano–Shushenskaya power station accident
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Sayano%E2%80%93Shushenskaya_power_station_accident

    Suddenly a massive turbine came off its moorings and plunged through a floor, killed 75 power plant workers.

    James Bamford describes what happened like this:
    “what happened to that turbine is a digital device that was meant to control it gave it commands that it shouldn’t have given it accidentally, and it caused the turbine to vibrate back and forth by going very fast and then very slow, very fast and very slow. That broke the bolts holding it to the floor, and that made it explode. Well, those are the exact same type of commands that were given to the centrifuges during the Stuxnet attack. ”

    Indeed it is exactly like the Stuxnet attack, according to the Institute for Science and International Security report:
    “The attacks seem designed to force a change in the centrifuge’s rotor speed, first raising the speed and then lowering it, likely with the intention of inducing excessive vibrations or distortions that would destroy the centrifuge. If its goal was to quickly destroy all the centrifuges in the FEP [Fuel Enrichment Plant], Stuxnet failed. But if the goal was to destroy a more limited number of centrifuges and set back Iran’s progress in operating the FEP, while making detection difficult, it may have succeeded, at least temporarily”

    In fact it appears the power plant “accident” in Russia was just before the partially successful attack in Iran:
    ” VIENNA – In an underground chamber near the Iranian city of Natanz, a network of surveillance cameras offers the outside world a rare glimpse into Iran’s largest nuclear facility. The cameras were installed by U.N. inspectors to keep tabs on Iran’s nuclear progress, but last year they recorded something unexpected: workers hauling away crate after crate of broken equipment. In a six-month period between late 2009 and last spring, U.N. officials watched in amazement as Iran dismantled more than 10 percent of the Natanz plant’s 9,000 centrifuge machines used to enrich uranium. Then, just as remarkably, hundreds of new machines arrived at the plant to replace the ones that were lost. ”

    In fact General Keith Alexander of US Cyber Command specifically refers to Sayano-Shushenskaya to illustrate the danger that cyber warfare represents.
    Of course, there is no PROOF that Sayano-Shushenskaya didn’t just totally coincidentally suffer the exact same malfunction that a few months later the US would be deliberately attempting to inflict on Iran.

    But lets just say it you ever wonder why the US Government seems so paranoid about Russians putting malware on their electricity grid, that might be your answer.

    • Paul Barbara

      @ Sean Lamb March 31, 2018 at 18:38
      Makes perfect sense. By the way (given your first name), it was Bloody Sunday that set me on course to get at the truth.

    • Ivan

      It is very hard to believe that the engineers would not have taken into account the possibility that the controls would malfunction in this way, since it is a standard mode of failure. The possibility of sabotage cannot be ruled out.

  • Stephen

    I would just like to thank you to Craig and the community on here. In the last couple of weeks I have learned more important snippets of news than I ever have from MSM. I would even go so far as to say Zerohedge and “From the trenches” wouid be improved if a lot of you posted your very well researched information on them.

    Keep up the good work.

  • Crackerjack

    France enters the fray

    https://www.rt.com/news/422871-russia-questions-uk-skripal-case/

    This would be the France that concluded that Assad was responsible for the Sarin attack in KS by comparing samples with the still unattributed attack in Ghouta.

    The fact that both attacks occurred in areas controlled by Nusra and at a time that would be of considerable damage to Assad (the infamous red line and just at the point where Trump was about to pull the US out of Syria) seems to have passed these clowns by

  • Canexpat

    Two apparently poisoned in UK, no evidence whatsoever of Russian State involvement = international outrage, expelling of numerous diplomats from many countries.

    Meanwhile, 17 unarmed protesters in Gaza murdered by sniper fire from the IDF…. Crickets.

    Are the majority of the population of the ‘West’ seriously this brain dead?

    I despair!

  • mark golding

    Since the murder of Diana, Princess of Wales the French intelligence service DGSE has responded to requests from British SIS and are known to be involved in the Skripal poisoning specifically to bypass our own Porton Down scientists. It is known that at a ‘mole’ may be associated with Dstl and it’s activities are somewhat watered down these days after media attention in the last few decades.

  • John

    Craig,
    People like Boris Johnson Don’t appreciate the difference between such words as Novichok and Novichok-like. When they use such terms indistinguishably they are not lying. They are being stupid (especially in the case of a diplomat). The perennial dilemma of mendacity vs. stupidity in such situations was solved by Napoleon long ago, who came to the conclusion that when this issue arose among his troops careful investigation nearly always proved that stupidity was responsible for the issue. In other words people generally actually believe the BS they spew in these instances. If you argue that Boris Johnson is an idiot because he doesn’t understand this case beyond a third-grade level (“Russia bad”) then you will get very little debate from people who are actually following this, and Boris Johnson will have a very hard time suing you for slander (in site of his intelligence, training, and education he IS an idiot). Some friendly advice: given your recent legal troubles it would be wise for you to be careful about who you call a liar. Most of these people are just idiots.

    • StephenF

      Johnson was very specific, in official statements and interviews, that it was a Novichok, that Russia was responsible, and that there was no alternative explanation. May has also dropped the “highly likely” qualifier it seems. They are going tangibly beyond what their own experts were saying under sworn testimony. So yeah, it’s a case of lying, all right. Unless, of course, they have some extra “intelligence” they’re not sharing with the public nor their allies… but let’s not kid ourselves here.

  • Durak

    Very surprised at the Yulia situation.

    1. She turns against Russia, if that is the case I’d expect significant pre-coaching from the UK, bribery but unlikely coercion (never works well), this would take some days if not weeks, and explains in part the complete lack of communication from the Hospital, in fact this lack of communication in itself is hugely suspicious, no staff member (except a lone Consultant) has made ANY statement. Extremely suspicious. Was she even ill? We simply don’t know!

    2. She returns to Russia (or at least to the protection of the Russian state in the UK) – this outcome could *destroy* any UK case if she is coached (or otherwise) by the Russians to implicate the British.

    The British would likely never allow the latter, but if the former transpires it even looks dodgier.

    Everything, but everything stinks about this case, rotten.

    The Russians don’t even have to lift a finger, the British have created this all by themselves, deliberate or otherwise. And frankly, Boris Johnson – who the heck, and I mean who would ever trust this man?

    • Ultraviolet

      I was so encouraged by that thread. Two lone trolls desperately trying to say that everyone questioning the official line is from St Petersburg, even though they have been regular posters on the Graun for many years. And apart from them, pretty much everyone agreed that this whole story stinks to high heaven.

    • Paul Barbara

      @ Durak April 1, 2018 at 07:17
      Yeh, they pulled the Comments about 7 am. They always pull them quickly, on the odd occassion they even allow them at all on controversial subjects.
      Again, the Independent is a good paper for commenting on, and virtually always shows a majority of progressive comments.

      • Durak

        They have NOW deleted all the comments…. pure censorship….. the narrative must be followed…

        Were getting hundreds of likes on comments stating the whole thing stinks….

        Deleted all the comments… what country are we living in???

        • MightyDrunken

          Looks to me like the comments are back. The comments reminds me of a “Labour is anti-Semitic” article(which there many) on the Guardian, from a few days ago. It was the single article I saw on the topic where they opened comments for a short time , the comments were almost as critical.
          The propaganda is deep and wide at the moment, at least some are noticing.

  • Billy Bostickson

    Breaking News from MK.RU, they have just published a photograph of Julia Skripal’s future mother-in-law and her husband who have now been formally accused by the Russian FSB of attempted murder of Julia.

    She confessed! Seems I was right all along!

    http://www.mk.ru/upload/entities/2018/03/14/articles/detailPicture/c4/0b/e7/4c/9340221d82ea0d80ca21d482831f5a19.jpg

    She claimed her husband, a retired commander of the chemical warfare battalion, sprayed slow acting “novichok” compound A12018 onto a wreath of plastic flowers which were then sealed and swapped with an original wreath in Julia’s suitcase in Moscow,

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRqS6DOXUAA2mHg.jpg

    In her defense, she claimed: “I did it for my dear son, so he would not bring shame on the family by marrying the traitor’s daughter”

  • Pyotr Grozny

    I’ve just returned to Britain from Russia and been able to talk to family and friends and sadly do not approval/disapproval ratings on comments are a reliable guide to public opinion in Britain. That doesn’t mean they are manipulated by bots but rather that those who comment may not be representative of the population as a whole. The prevailing sentiment I get from people who are middle class liberal/conservatives is that Putin has previous therefore he is guilty and in the unlikely event that he isn’t guilty of this it doesn’t matter because he is guilty of so many other things. So I think Boris and Teresa have guarded the public mood correctly on this. I find it very depressing and think it no way to be conducting international relations in public. It also means that if we who discuss this do help to come up with something which shows that Putin didn’t order it may not have that much impact.

    • Paul Barbara

      @ Pyotr Grozny April 1, 2018 at 16:28
      You are right that the commenters are not representative of the public as a whole – the public as a whole tend to believe any BS that the government and MSM tell them.
      And there is a difference in tone between the pro-government commenters and those who question the government narrative – the former tend to be far more vitriolic and abusive, whereas the latter tend to use logic and to give their reasons for doubting it, often with relevant links.
      In reality, pro-government commenters are much more likely to be bots or paid by the State – HMG has acknowledged they have a military unit whose job is to make multiple comments using various programs, and to disrupt truth and peace campaigns. I forget what the unit is called.

  • Billy Bostickson

    The Victoria Skripal saga continues, new revelations (not an April Fool one this time, promise) from mk.ru as she prepares to travel to the UK next week to take Julia back to Russia and talks of the mysterious girlfriend of Sergei Skripal, Nelly (with photo)

    http://www.mk.ru/incident/2018/04/01/taynaya-versiya-otravleniya-skripaley-sestra-yulii-rasskazala-o-zaveshhanii.html

    “Who is this mysterious stranger?” – we asked Victoria at the exit from the cynological center.

    – I do not know. Maybe Julia’s boyfriend showed up and did it on purpose so that I would not take Noir. In general, I consider him very strange. We once, in 2013, called in to Yulia. She then lived with him in his father’s apartment on the Autumn Boulevard. So he did not come to us, did not say hello. This young man is like a phantom. After everything happened, he did not even say “meow”.

    – You have already stated that he or his family may know something about poisoning. Do you still hold this opinion?

    – Well, if you do not take politics into account, then the household version comes to the fore. In 2016 Sasha came to Yaroslavl (the deceased son of Skripal).) and Julia. The son of Sergei Viktorovich showed pictures of Anna, said that he loved her. Julia also said that she was going to the wedding, but did not particularly talk about her chosen one. According to her, his mother did not take the daughter of a spy. He also knew her schedule when and where she would go with her father, that on March 1 they would go to the cemetery, then to the pub. The British media wrote that in the institution eyewitnesses saw how Julia handed him a box. This gift could also be from him? There is another fact about which no one knows. In late February, Julia received a general power of attorney from Sergei Viktorovich, so she had the opportunity to dispose of the secret account of her deceased brother Alexander, inherited by his father.

  • Paul Hunter

    I find it hard to keep up with all the posts, so I hope this is not repeat info:

    https://www.rt.com/uk/422911-uk-staged-skripal-poisoning-theory/

    Excerpt:

    UK may have staged Skripal poisoning to rally people against Russia, Moscow believes:

    “London’s reluctance to share information on the poisoning of former double agent Sergei Skripal has led Moscow to strongly suspect that it was the actual perpetrator of the crime, the Russian ambassador to Britain said.”

    Back to me. The MSM will doubtless call this official statement a bizarre conspiracy theory.

    • Emily

      UK may have staged Skripal poisoning to rally people against Russia, Moscow believes:

      Shame Dr David Kelly isn’t alive to give us his view on the subject…..

      • Mark

        The UK is now such a divided rag bag country of self interested groups and misfits I doubt its capable of rallying against anything.

    • Merkin Scot

      “Back to me. The MSM will doubtless call this official statement a bizarre conspiracy theory.”
      .
      On the Beeb last night we had some swivel-eyed type telling us that more than one denial by Russia is an admission of guilt.
      The English legal system seems to be heading for an American style ‘plea denial’ system whereby the accused ‘has’ to plead guilty, or else.
      The sooner we get away from elected politicians who are acting in the best interests of foreign governments the better.

      • Paul Hunter

        “The sooner we get away from elected politicians who are acting in the best interests of foreign governments the better.”

        That’s a big ask as we live under elective dictatorship (i.e., once in they follow their true agenda), with the MSM manufacturing consent (opinion control). I don’t know how to fix that.

        • Emily

          We certainly live in an elective dictatorship – Lord Hailsham |I believe.
          And that elective dictatorship can be won on less than 40% of the vote – as did the Tories in 2015.
          We also live in effectively, a one party state.
          There is purely tissue paper between the lib/lab/con.
          Blair
          Cameron
          May
          Spot the difference?
          We need to introduce PR – fair voting and do away with what is virtually a duopoly- certainly not a democracy.
          We use PR to elect MEPS.
          We use a slightly different form of PR in our three regional parliaments.
          It is over time it was introduced in to the general election to break the power of the two main parties – as the SNP was able to do in the Scottish parliament,
          21 European countries use PR as do many – probably the majority – of other democracies.
          NZ moved from FPTP to PR some years ago for instance.
          A great success.

          • Paul Hunter

            Yes it was Lord Hailsham – I remember him using the phrase on the BBC.

            I can remember the newspapers being full of hostility towards the Alternative Vote referendum in 2011 (opinion control), and they got their way with 67.9% rejecting it. So in any election, and I agree PR would be better, how do you get past the MSM perception management boys?

          • MightyDrunken

            Totally agree with you and Paul. There are many things that would help “fix” the UK. I think the single most important change would be changing FPTP to almost anything else. PV would do it, for sure.
            The propaganda against AAV was terrible, yet another case of people voting against their own interests. “Strong government”, really meant government which ignores the people.

  • John Goss

    This morning I watched the Oksana Boyko interview with the father of Alexander Litvinenko in the light of the Skripal narrative. Walter is a doctor by profession and he firmly believes that the CIA and MI6 are behind the death of his son and suspects the same in the most recent case if it turns out that the Skripals were poisoned. He reflects the mood of Russia (only 3% of the population think that Putin may have had anything to do with the Skripal poisoning). It is hardly surprising that we do not hear of Walter Litvinenko and his point of view here in a countries where everything bad that happens is blamed on Russia.

    Well worth watching.

    https://www.rt.com/shows/worlds-apart-oksana-boyko/422891-uk-skripal-evidence-moscow/

    • Paul Hunter

      I saw that too and in it, it was revealed that, according to one poll, 43% of the British public think that Russia is a threat to the UK, whereas (according to another poll), only 6% of the Russian public think that the UK is an enemy of theirs. All I can say is those poor saps in Russia need educating on the vitriolic levels of Russia hating that goes on in what passes for the “free” press and TV in Britain.

      Walter Litvinenko also said he wonders if the Ukraine could be behind it.

      • John Goss

        Yes thanks Paul. What was most revealing to my mind was the way he accused the Brits (that’s my lot) of using Scaramella as a witness to excuse himself and point the finger at Lugovoy and Koftun. Many sources today are pointing a finger at Scaramella. At least there are questions to answer.

        Another interesting, though diverse and almost insignificant, point from the interview is the pronunciation of the surname Litvinenko. We stress the last syllable (Oh) whereas it is clearly unstressed and should sound more like a soft A (Ah), i.e. pron: Litvinenkah.

        • Paul Hunter

          “Yes thanks Paul. What was most revealing to my mind was the way he accused the Brits (that’s my lot)”

          That’s my lot too John!

          • John Goss

            I wrote this two years ago (can it be so long?).

            “On his deathbed, Alexander Litvinenko accused the Italian academic, Mario Scaramella, of poisoning him. Scaramella is a self-acclaimed expert in nuclear waste and worldwide locations of nuclear waste, and another man with a dark past. Yet his name has been left out of the equation by the press for long years while the blame-Putin diatribe has been milked till the cows come home. The inquiry mentions that Litvinenko accused Scaramella of his murder in the first statement he made regarding his illness, but Sir Robert concludes that Litvinenko’s confidence in being trained as an agent to recognize who his killer was let him down at his death. The inquiry makes it clear that Litvinenko had long been critical of Putin, citing an open letter from 1998 but does not conclude that his judgement in allegedly accusing Putin was impaired. It was only impaired with the very clear and repeated accusation against Mario Scaramella. Mr Scaramella was hospitalized in London after testing positive for polonium 210.[4] He met Litvinenko before Lugovoy and Kovtun on the same day. That is not to say that Scaramella was involved in Litvinenko’s death. That is why there should be an inquest.”

  • Emily

    Paul
    AV is a terrible system and rightly rejected.
    I am told the Libs wanted the referendum on PR but Cameron and the Tories wouldn’t touch
    Judging from the figures of AV, PR – much more popular and fair could probably have passed.
    The last thing the Labs and Cons want.
    In 2015 this was the voting.
    UKIP 4,000,000 votes 1 seat.
    SNP 1,500,000 votes 56 seats.
    Tories 11,000,000 votes 331 seats and an overall majority on less than 40% of the vote.
    How can you call that democracy, it is an insult to the word.
    Under PR UKIP would have won 83 seats.
    In the recent German election – under PR – the AfD won a slightly smaller percentage of votes than did UKIP. in 2015
    They have 90 odd seats in the German House.
    After that election 5 party leaders and over 1,000,000 of us Brits signed a petition calling for PR.
    Cameron and May as Home Sec in one of their most disgusting of many lies – lied blatantly to block it.
    They claimed that the referendum on AV was actually a referendum on PR (They are vastly different) and as the people had voted against PR in the referendum – he had to refuse the petition.
    And the media and politicians let him get away with that totally bogus claim
    No one disputed that lie – anyone who tried was censored and silenced..

    • Paul Hunter

      Emily,

      “I am told the Libs wanted the referendum on PR but Cameron and the Tories wouldn’t touch”

      Thank you, I did wonder why the referendum was on AV rather than PR.

    • Mark

      The two old dominant political parties are not going to allow a PR system that breaks their duopoly, no way. The turkeys ain’t voting for an early Christmas.

    • MightyDrunken

      “AV is a terrible system and rightly rejected.”

      Sorry, that is not true when compared to first past the post. The reason is simple, FPTP often forces you to try to vote strategically, if you hate the Conservatives and most like the Green party a sensible voter is likely to vote for whoever will beat the Conservatives and the Green preference is never acknowledged. At least with AV you can actually vote with your intentions and put Greens first and your “Conservative hate vote” second. This means that minor parties will always stay minor until huge social pressure builds up. There are certain situations where AV gives weird results, but these are rare and FPTP is worse. In fact there is no perfect system, see Arrow’s impossibility theorem.
      Even more importantly, by voting against AV, people voted for FPTP in the minds of the Establishment and therefore the media. Neither Labour or the Conservatives have any intention of changing the system that benefits them. Therefore the chance will not occur again in the foreseeable future.

  • Paul Barbara

    @ John Goss April 1, 2018 at 00:06
    Mark if you scroll down this piece of mine there is a link just before the Conclusion. It is very good research from Dilyana Gaytandzhieva a Bulgarian researcher.
    https://johnplatinumgoss.wordpress.com/2018/03/30/skripal-case-─-a-whale-of-a-lie-─-codename-beluga-3/

    Re ‘Beluga’, ‘Litvinenko, Berezovky, Skripal … CIA, MI6 False flags to blame [email protected]:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZqmCdqGkv0

    But Paul Barill has also been accused of providing arms for the Rwandan Genocide:
    https://trialinternational.org/latest-post/paul-barril/

    That does not, of course, mean he is wrong about the Litvinenko and Berezovsky murders, and the Skripal case.

    • Pyotr Grozny

      Yes indeed, the Nazis were right about who perpetrated the Katyn massacre but it took nearly 50 years for other governments to start to agree.

    • Sean Lamb

      Probably because they sulking that The Sun scooped them with the poisoned porridge story.

      • Ivan

        One would have thought that since Ms Skripal is talking, the reporters would banging on the hospital doors to get at least a photograph. But no, the feral press, has apparently been instructed to let it go. Hmmm…

        • Ivan

          My theory is that since they have turned to concentrate their attention on getting Corbyn out, anything that would make him look good, such as a memory jog that in the light of subsequent events, he had wisely called for moderation against the Russians, is now forbidden.

        • John Goss

          I would call our press anything but feral Ivan. Craig Murray calls reporters “stenographers” and Paul Craig Roberts calls them “presstitutes” which are terms to my mind much nearer the mark. I think you mentioned yourself earlier about the lack of press communication with the medical staff on the case. Journalists today just work to an agenda – the bulk of them.

  • Billy Bostickson

    Russian friends keep on referring to Skripal’s large house in Spain, connections with Ukrainian mafia and great wealth.

    This seems to have been reported in Russia but I haven’t seen mention of it in the UK media,

    Has anyone see that? Any evidence?

    “SP”: – A Skripal climbed?

    – Reports on the financial state of Sergei Skripal have been published. He turns out to have a house in Britain for 270 thousand pounds, a house in Spain for 210 thousand pounds and in the bank account was 450 thousand pounds. Where does this money come from a simple British intelligence officer? Even if he was in charge of Kiev. And MI-5 found out that he constantly flew there. In addition, he flew to Odessa. He could be involved in smuggling. It is known that Kolomoisky and Saakashvili sold what came from England to Ukraine.

    http://svpressa.ru/society/article/195505/#

    By the way, this same thing, on the Ukrainian track, in an interview with “SP” spoke and Vice President of the “Association of veterans of the special services” Berkut “Valery Malevanny . According to him, Skripal once worked for the Ukrainian mafia. Namely: the oligarch Alexander Perepelichny , who was killed in 2012 in London under unclear circumstances.

    http://svpressa.ru/politic/article/196590/?rss=1&utm_source=smi2

  • Mary Paul

    I don’t believe the Press has voluntarily dropped the Skripal story. There was virtually nothing in the Times on Saturday for instance. It is completely out of character for the UK media to let it go like this. I think pressure has been brought to bear.

    • Pyotr Grozny

      I got to para 2 where it said “originally developed in Russia” and sent them an email saying that surely it should read USSR rather than Russia.

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