My world view changed forever when, after 20 years in the Foreign Office, I saw colleagues I knew and liked go along with Britain’s complicity in the most terrible tortures, as detailed stunningly in the recent Parliamentary Intelligence and Security Committee Report. They also went along with keeping the policy secret, deliberately disregarding all normal record taking procedures, to the extent that the Committee noted:
131. We note that we have not seen the minutes of these meetings either: this causes us great concern. Policy discussions on such an important issue should have been minuted. We support Mr Murray’s own conclusion that were it not for his actions these matters may never have come to light.
The people doing these things were not ordinarily bad people; they were just trying to keep their jobs, comforting themselves with the thought that they were only civil servants obeying orders. Many were also actuated by the nasty “patriotism” that grips in time of war, as we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. Almost nobody in the FCO stood up against the torture or against the illegal war – Elizabeth Wilmshurst, Carne Ross and I were the only ones to leave over it.
I then had the still more mortifying experience of the Foreign Office seeking to punish my dissent by bringing a series of accusations of gross misconduct – some of them criminal – against me. The people bringing the accusations knew full well they were false. The people investigating them knew they were false from about day 2. But I was put through a hellish six months of trial by media before being acquitted on all the original counts (found guilty of revealing the charges, whose existence was an official secret!). The people who did this to me were people I knew.
I had served as First Secretary in the British Embassy in Poland, and bumped up startlingly against the history of the Holocaust in that time, including through involvement with organising the commemoration of the 50th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz. What had struck me most forcibly was the sheer scale of the Holocaust operation, the tens of thousands of people who had been complicit in administering it. I could never understand how that could happen – until I saw ordinary, decent people in the FCO facilitate extraordinary rendition and torture. Then I understood, for the first time, the banality of evil or, perhaps more precisely, the ubiquity of evil. Of course, I am not comparing the scale of what happened to the Holocaust – but evil can operate on different scales.
I believe I see it again today. I do not believe that the majority of journalists in the BBC, who pump out a continual stream of “Corbyn is an anti-semite” propaganda, believe in their hearts that Corbyn is a racist at all. They are just doing their job, which is to help the BBC avert the prospect of a radical government in the UK threatening the massive wealth share of the global elite. They would argue that they are just reporting what others say; but it is of course the selection of what they report and how they report it which reflect their agenda.
The truth, of which I am certain, is this. If there genuinely was the claimed existential threat to Jews in Britain, of the type which engulfed Europe’s Jews in the 1930’s, Jeremy Corbyn, Billy Bragg, Roger Waters and I may humbly add myself would be among the few who would die alongside them on the barricades, resisting. Yet these are today loudly called “anti-semites” for supporting the right to oppose the oppression of the Palestinians. The journalists currently promoting those accusations, if it came to the crunch, would be polishing state propaganda and the civil servants writing railway dockets. That is how it works. I have seen it. Close up.
I do prob think this is prob my top 3 track eva: Bauhaus – Bela Lugosi’s Dead (Original)
But i think my fave track eva has to be thought through, it represents some of the most gorgeous thoughts and ideas you will ever here: Colour Me Once violent Femmes
I personally think this is the best eva track in the Uk, which you idiots seemingly just accept! Let’s go back to something older =) :Don Fardon ~ Indian Reservation (1968) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWVEM1idBj0
I’m just offering nice opinions, never want to be horrible but stupid lies do my head in, Saved myself from lying conformity with this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJlN9jdQFSc
Interestingly Lugosi, was buried in his full Dracula outfit, cape and all in 1956.
Look into my eyes. ?
Top news items that Google served me:
* The key details after nine-year-old girl dies following rock slide in Staithes
* Samantha Eastwood death: Midwife’s body found in shallow grave with tape around her eyes and face
* Rochdale grooming gang members face deportation after losing appeal
* Asma al-Assad: Syria’s first lady treated for breast cancer
* Boris Johnson’s burka jibe: Why do some Muslim women wear the veil?
* Dozy thief caught red-handed trying to sell stolen bike – back to family he pinched it from
* Firefighers capture “firenado” destroying Derbyshire factory
* The first documents that show there were official warnings about fire safety at Grenfell Tower months before tragedy
* Skripal attack: US to sanction Russia over Novichok poisoning
* New Mexico compound taught children to commit school shootings, lawyers say
* Indonesian shaman “kept sex slave in cave for 15 years”
To summarise:
* Everything’s collapsing, and the Muslims are coming to get you – oh, and wanna watch some gruesome real-life video?
Thing is everything is collapsing -N, it’s sorta kept alive cos ppl are so scared of alternartive, if it’s left to the US and the EU, it’s all gone.
Russia does believe in multipolar thinking and offers thoughts worth considering
The Ubiquity of Sloth?
The Ubiquity of Grotesque, like Mrs May’s Amiens Genuflection.
I note that Skripalgate rackets further along the road to war with Russia, upon whom we may depend next year for food parcels. Is this wise?
Unfortunately the BJ letterboxgate has overshadowed much more important news. The FBI admits that they have used Chris Steele , paid him, sacked him. Then passed him onto the DNC who then produced a dossier which was then backhanded to the FBI for plausible deniability. Then again, for no special reason and with no new evidence , US slaps on new sanctions against Russia over the Skripal incident.
Skripal, Christopher Steele, Pablo Miller of orbis fame and an official secrecy blackout. Any one with more knowledge can join the dots?
It is intended that all the dots are obliterated under Skripalsbury’s dreaming spire and poisoned skies.
UK citizens appear awfully frequent in anti Trump discoveries also from before his nomination. Was this UK domestic overreach or US ordered interference?
At least the British input to destroy ‘American democracy’ is coming out over there in dribs and drabs
https://spectator.org/who-hired-stefan-halper/
Bit of a random article from a random website (not the UK spectator) but it’s quite clear what was going on!
Nope, no dots to join. However . . .
The new sanctions that US is imposing seem fairly minor, ‘security products’ but the sting could be that State Department then want an apology for the non-existent novichok from Russia (not Porton Down) and should Putin not apologise and promise never to do it again then bigger sanctions will follow.
“If Russia does not supply the US with “reliable assurances” it will no longer use chemical weapons and does not consent to allowing UN inspectors into the country, the US could hit Russia with second wave of more serious sanctions, according to NBC, which cited a State Department official.
The second round could include more limits on trade, deep cuts to diplomatic relations, and restrictions on Russia’s state airline being allowed in US airspace”
This comes at a time when some Romanians are complaining of ‘grey-wolves’
[Romania’s] Finance Ministry explained that it had to cut funds from some ministries and other institutions to cover for the increases in some other areas. The Government increased the overall expenses with RON 7.09 billion while the budget revenues only increased by RON 6 billion.
However, the Presidency accused the Government of using budget cuts to punish the state institutions that are not subordinated to the Social Democratic Party (PSD). PSD have been at war with the Presidency, SRI [Romanian Intelligence Service] and National Anticorruption Directorate (DNA) in the last year and a half and accused the representatives of these institutions of being part of the so-called shadow state that wanted to take over power in Romania by illegal means.
https://www.romania-insider.com/govt-cuts-research-secret-service-budgets/
Great Games be afoot, surely Google News is keeping you informed about the important, small, details?
Well CIA and MI6 obviously want this to get plenty of publicity. The new sanctions are the lead story on BBC news this morning. I know it’s August, traditionally known as the silly season because of a dearth of news during the holiday period, but still.
Regarding the Burqa ban in Denmark: It has more to do with security than anything else. Since many years ago, there has been a ban on hiding your face in Denmark, and it is rather rigidly enforced. This came as a result of violent demonstrations, the worst from the nineties where 72 live rounds were fired. Many places in Copenhagen are search and frisk areas, wearing a baclava will get you into a heap of trouble, and so will a burqa now.
Thank you Den for that sensible explanation, now be prepared for a barrage from the political correctness brigade.
Acronyms are useful for clogging the discourse while appearing innocuous
As Syria’s proxies converge on Idlib, what’s next for Turkey’s northern state-within-a-state? >/i> https://syriadirect.org/news/as-syria%E2%80%99s-proxies-converge-on-idlib-what%E2%80%99s-next-for-turkey%E2%80%99s-northern-state-within-a-state/
Compare and contract with Israel in Palestine. Remember Cyprus too.
Just as a reminder
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/70-years-of-broken-promises-the-untold-story-of-the-partition-plan/
And the way Antonyl you very kindly commented on a previous posting and asked about comments on Pakistan which I answered, but you have not remarked on my comments there. The Israeli project is unique in that it is a colonial enterprise in the 20th century using 15-19th century colonial techniques of taking over a country and replacing one people by colonialists as happened in Australia and US.
Wasting your time. He just obsessively hates muslims.
Ok, what happened in North Cyprus in 1974 or around Idlib today can equally be called colonial as the Turkish replace local people by their own. Or Tibetan or Xinjiang populations being replaced as we write. Or the Balochistan population replaced by Punjabis and now Chinese.
Non Western powers can also be colonial: it is still might over right. Western powers tended to go over sea while Russian, Chinese and Arabs went mostly over land (=next door).
All Chinese projects abroad are constructed by Chinese workers only, no local labour allowed by contract.
About unique: Palestinians still being kept on refugee status by their neighboring Muslim Arab states for 3 generations. Doesn’t happen anywhere else and has a clear political purpose behind OR they don’t want them. Another unique: working in rich Arab gulf states for decades but never a chance on citizenship, even when being a Muslim from abroad.
Israel has a clear different national soul (and ego!); what differs Palestinian ethos from other Arab neighbor states? I don’t see it.
Do you not see the difference? Most of Palestine was ‘handed’ to the J^ws by Britain and the League of Nations; the other cases you quote were by force of arms. Then the J^ws massively increased their land holding by force of arms, killing and expelling Palestinians (and causing refugees to flee to save their lives), and stealing their land.
The Western ‘Democracies’, whilst claiming the moral high ground, assisted the I^raelis by funding, arming and diplomatically supporting them, although they were patently in the wrong, and guilty of heinous crimes.
This behaviour still continues.
As for China not using local African labour, that is the ‘accepted narrative’ in the Western MSM. However:
‘Spotlight: China becomes top job creator in Africa, expert says’:
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-03/17/c_136137598.htm
The UN has been hamstrung by Western Security Council vetoes from writing the wrongs perpetrated in Palestine.
Whereas the West slaps fierce sanctions on Russia, Iran, Cuba, Venezuela etc. for no good reason, often on mere allegations, they also try to stop, or even criminalise, BDS against Israel or the illegally occupied territories.
Total hypocrisy. And worse, they encourage head-chopping mercenary proxies to flood countries such as Libya and Syria where they wish to effect ‘Regime Change’, and encourage them to use chemical weapons (or to ‘pretend’ they have been used, then to blame the Government forces, in order to ‘justify’ direct attacks on government personnel and/or facilities.
Difference but not worse. That the Jcws got a foothold through the League of Nations / UN is in their favor. The Holocaust in Europe was an accelerator for Israel. Europeans helping the Jcws: not the Nasis, British or Polish.
Worse actions by China, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia.
UN: up for heavy revision. Dated location, dated set up of 1 country 1 vote, dated Security council.
Present Deep state Western behavior towards Russia / Syria / Iran: very biased and plain dumb. Regime change now tried on their “own” president Trump and other unwanted European leaders.
Xi’s China is laughing all the way to the bank & more territory.
The August edition of Cold Type.
https://issuu.com/coldtype/docs/coldtype165.august2018 52 pages
The first article is by Ray McGovern (a friend of Craig’s) about his meeting with Ahed Tamimi’s father and family in their village of Nabi Saleh in arly 2017.
Recommend. You can download or use the online page turner facility.
Also recommend Jonathan Cook’s clear sighted view of what is going on in the Labour party.
Labour’s crisis is over Israel, not anti-semitism
8 August 2018
If there is indeed an anti-semitism problem in the UK’s Labour party, it is not in the places where the British corporate media have been directing our attention. What can be said with even more certainty is that there is rampant hatred expressed towards J.ws in the same British media that is currently decrying the supposed anti-semitism of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn.
Here is a piece of what I hope is wisdom, earnt the hard way as a reporter in Israel over nearly two decades. I offer it in case it helps to resolve the confusion felt by some still pondering the endless reports of Labour’s supposed anti-semitism “crisis”.
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https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2018-08-08/labour-crisis-israel-anti-semitism/
Sharp Ears
Thanks for the link. Jonathan Cook writes very well and very balanced. But sadly this sort of writing receives little coverage. The purpose of the debate is to stifle discussion and not to encourage and sadly the Labour Party is falling into this carefully laid trap.
He dragged that out.
Racism generally is fake, in my opinion. It’s manufactured, usually at the top of society, and pumped out for very specific reasons which invariably are economic reasons.
I challenge the contributors to this blog to provide one example of racism that doesn’t have roots in economic exploitation. It isn’t a chicken and egg situation either — the economics come first. Racism is a means to an end.
In Israel the economic imperative is expansion. All fine and dandy but wait, what of these people who live on the land that we wish to expand into? Hmmmm.
Of course, there’s no justification for stealing their land, so, tell you what, let’s justify our expansion and brutality towards them in racial terms: “these people are inferior and uncivilised and violent and they hate us…”
That’ll work. Make out they are the racists. And anyone that supports them is racist too. Anyone that opposes our racism is racist. Perfecto.
I’ve seen this little scam play out a thousand times over the last 500 years. It’s a well understood process.
The problem is that you get the odd fruitcakes that take the racism seriously. They think it’s real. This is an example of blowback, discussed earlier. Pumping that stuff out is really despicable, like handing out heroin in school playgrounds, it really poisons society and lingers.
Anyway. The evil that men do… fuck it.
Hatuey
I cannot disagree with you but the whole of life and politics is really about economics. Of course the racist card is one of the mechanisms used to spin arguments and distract, but so is politics. So is the conclusion that it is futile to discuss these issues?
It is interesting that in the case of Israel, it is thought that one million Russians, many of whom have very tenuous link to any Jewish traditions whatsoever, were thought to be more worthy to home in Palestine than the Palestinians who belong there.
Yes, interesting about the Russians but driven by quite petty profiteering too. As I recall, the US taxpayer picked up the tab when it came to providing grants for Russian settlers. The character of those Russians is highly dubious too… barbaric bastards, I’ve heard.
As for everything being driven by economics, in history and politics that’s basically considered a Marxist standpoint.
And in actual fact, what you are suggesting is a given here is something that governments and politicians around the world rarely if ever admit to. I can’t remember one single war or colonisation effort in the last 300 years that was openly explained as an economics-driven exercise.
That’s important too. It’s quite difficult to justify attacking people and robbing them in those terms. Hence the tendency to cloak everything in lofty ideals — white man’s burden, spreading and protecting democracy, humanitarian intervention, stop communism, etc.
If you told the truth about these things, well, you’d basically need to empty the jails because that’s what most people are in jail for; violent robbery, theft, etc.
“Under the cover of concerns about anti-semitism, Freedland and Hodge have helped stoke hatred – either explicitly or through their silence – towards the “wrong kind of Jews”, towards Jews whose critical views of Israel they fear.”
Phew, was getting worried Cook had been silenced – his article ought to be published in full by the UK media – will it? The Indy? Standard?
By the way Sharp Ears (i’m sure you probably have already seen it) but the Steele (FBI/SCL et al) can of worms keeps exploding.
http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/08/christopher-steele-fbis-confidential-human-source-by-publius-tacitus.html
Excellent expose on Steel more coming, I believe, about ex-Ambassador Andrew Wood, Steele’s former boss in Moscow and the driver behind the Trump dossier. Journalist Andrey Kolesnikov mentions a conversation with politician and fixer Anatoly Chubais in which Wood discusses extracting valuable technical assets from Russia through the ‘Baltic Drain’. This connection was enabled through unnamed oligarchs, but most likely Beresovsky, whose untimely death fairly recently removed the sword of Damocles from above Wood. Kolesnikov is a virulent opponent of Putin and would welcome the opportunity to bring down Trump and Putin.
Its getting even worse. BBC R4 in full anti-Russia swing this morning. Apparently there is a law in US that if a chemical weapon is used , the US has to investigate and take action and this is why we now have these new sanctions because the report has just been published. Presumably this law preceded the OPCW but obviously US is über alles.
@ SA August 9, 2018 at 08:18
‘..Apparently there is a law in US that if a chemical weapon is used , the US has to investigate and take action….’
But, just as there are ‘hoses for courses’, so there are ‘laws for causes’.
Could explain why the US and it’s crony War Criminal warmongers showed no interest in first-hand accounts of various ‘False Flag’ CW hoaxes in Syria, and why they equally showed no interest in investigation when the SAA discovered CW stockpiles and production facilities in over-run ‘Rebel’ areas. Or when Turkey arrested ‘Rebels’ with Sarin.
Is Craig Murray on his holidays?
I think he’s been extraordinarily renditioned.
Scooby Doo, where are you?
I saw quite a bit on what they call “news” this morning, about US sanctions on Russia, but what I didn’t see or hear about, was related to the 80 plus deaths at Grenfell Tower, and the fact that it failed at least two fire inspections prior to the tragic fire.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-failed-safety-inspections-before-fire-a8483151.html
So why has that news been buried, as well as the 450 plus deliberate poisonings at Gosport hospital?
The same reason the media doesnt find it outrageous that the PM’s chief advisor is still the guy who, as housing minister, ignored fire-safety recommendations for council blocks that would have prevented Grenfell.
@ Dom August 9, 2018 at 09:12
One aspect that doesn’t get the attention it deserves (on top of all the complaints about fire safety by residents prior to the deadly inferno, is that there were a number of electrical surges previously, which had damaged many domestic appliances, which were replaced, but surge suppressors were not fitted. This is highly important, seeing as the fire is alleged to have started with someone’s fridge catching fire.
There have been strong suspicions by a number of residents that the fire was deliberate, in order to raise the Tower and replace it and the immediate area around it with ‘gentrified’ properties.
I don’t know if electrical surges can be deliberately caused – I would guess they can.
Perhaps an electrician can enlighten us?
72 died?
Nobody knows!
Doesn’t a lack of consistency make you suspicious, at all?
“At least 80 people were killed in the fire at the tower block” (August 2017):
https://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-tower-survivors-we-are-not-prepared-to-be-walked-over-10972869
And:
“More than 80 people were killed in the blaze which devastated the flat block this summer.” (November 2017)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5043409/Fraudster-ADMITS-pretending-family-died-Grenfell.html
And:
“volunteers help those hit by the tragedy which killed 71 people” (April 2018):
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/grenfell-survivors-encouraged-to-pray-with-fake-nun-in-kensington-and-chelsea-council-gaffe-a3825111.html
So, at least nine were resurrected?
No consistent ‘Official Figure?’ From anyone, even your good self?
The authorities will have a tenant roll, with all details of the residents contained in it – so why all the strange variations in the ‘death toll’? After all they know when a particular resident does not have a tv licence, so they must know when a building does not have a particular resident.
There is still more information from the Council benefit record; NI numbers; the list goes on – yet no consistent ‘Official Figure’.
The only officially stated ‘Official Figure’ is 9, yes, 9: ‘Police said the official death toll had risen to nine’ ‘(Det Supt) McCormack said every complete body had been recovered from the building’ (Fri 23 Jun 2017).
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/23/grenfell-tower-fire-police-considering-manslaughter-charges
Even the ‘volunteers’ are fakes, according to the third report from the London Standard, cited above.
Sorry.
I was attempting to reply to Andyoldlabour.
My apologies.
@Joeblogs,
I have no idea how many died Joe, and I guess that nobody will ever know the true number, but I do know that it was a real tragedy,and that scores of people died. Are you serious about a “tenant roll”, about as useful and relevant in this case as a chocolate teapot.
So, how many people do you think died Joe – 9 maybe?
There was corruption and malpractice at the highest level which caused this disaster, yet there has been nothing like the response by the government or the MSM compared to the so called Skripal poisonings.
The investigation cleared the tenant in that flat of any responsibility for the fire.
@ Jo August 9, 2018 at 14:26
He could hardly be held responsible if it was caused by an electrical surge, which had occerred before in the flats, but the responsible people had not installed surge resistors (or whatever they are called).
@Jo,
eaxactly, it makes you wonder how far the MSM are involved.
There gas also been very little reporting of:
Report on age expectancy in UK… Since 2011 falling behind other EU countries (no link to austerity of course)
Canada’s principled stand against SA and the appalling reaction
The disturbing report on global warming as a result of melting ice caps.
All inconvenient messages for HMG of course!
Hurray a newee centre party, full of the the old dependent vested interest merchants, full of common purpose and the usual split loyalties to tax avoiders such as large fracking companies, large ueber dpnors such as Adelson, not to forget the rogue state.
No thanks stick it! We need a fair proportionally elected democracy for voters.
Is there a palace coup taking place in Washington?
The sanctions against Moscow are being described as an administration initiative and the President’s thumbs have been uncharacteristicly silent.
Grandpa under sedation?
You’re on to something there… looks like arm twisting.
Will Trump stay quiet and go with it rather than drag Washington further into the quagmire?
I think he’ll fight them and win. You should get into this Trump guy, he’s got balls. I like him a lot.
@Giyane August 7, 2018 at 23:26
@Giyane August 8, 2018 at 23:54
So am I understanding this correctly?
Your wife must cover her face when you hear disgusting remarks in the market in Birmingham ie. she is being verbally abused. Because you and others can’t control your sexual desires, your wife must cover her face and I’m “in a chimpanzee phase of evolution in which the only tool is the baring of the teeth”, because I object to that.”
There’s an excellent article on the Media Lens website today – “Israel is the Real Problem”, regarding the relentless attacks on Corbyn by the Mainstream Media. Personally, I think Corbyn should never have apologised and needs to go on the attack because he has nothing to lose – the Israeli lobby are obviously intent on destroying him at all costs – even if he offered to become a ‘friend of Israel’.
There is also this recent August 7th posting in the Electronic Intifada:
Israel running campaign against Jeremy Corbyn
An app operated as part of an Israeli government propaganda campaign issued a “mission” for social media users to make comments against Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn, accusing him of anti-Semitism.
This is the latest evidence of an Israeli campaign of psychological warfare against the UK’s main opposition party.
The Act.IL app on Sunday falsely accused Corbyn of comparing Israel to Nazi Germany in a 2010 meeting which had been resurfaced by The Times last week.
The “mission” was documented in this Tweet by Michael Bueckert, a Canadian researcher who has been monitoring the app since last year.
SNIP
As The Electronic Intifada reported earlier this year, the Act.IL app is a product of Israel’s strategic affairs ministry.
That ministry directs Israel’s covert efforts to sabotage the Palestine solidarity movement around the world.
Its top civil servant is a former army intelligence officer and the ministry is staffed by veterans of various spy agencies whose names are classified.
The Act.IL “mission” is another piece of evidence of the Israeli campaign of psychological warfare against Labour.
It is part of a long-running influence operation by Israel and its lobby groups to smear Corbyn, a veteran Palestine solidarity activist, and to label the party he leads “institutionally anti-Semitic.”
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-running-campaign-against-jeremy-corbyn
The link to “Israel is the Real Problem is:http://medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2018/876-israel-is-the-real-problem.html
I see that Ruth-baby has been polishing her Libtard credentials and denigrating the Christian Cross to the level of the burqa, as worn by Moslem women to denote their chattel status.
Hey sue me – I’m calling it a HOLOCAUST of CHILDREN being roasted alive in Yemen by our forces and allies.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/09/dozens-dead-in-yemen-as-bus-carrying-children-hit-by-airstrike-icrc
Probably British made jets dropping British made missiles.
Tory MEP Sajjad Karim says Conservatives must choose between being a “one nation force” or “an English nationalist movement “.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/09/tory-party-must-choose-its-future-direction-after-boris-johnson-burqa-row-says-sajjad-karim-mep
Boat done sailed on that one some time ago old boy.
According to the IHRA rules, I suppose that if I suggest that Jews have a disproportionately large influence in controlling world affairs or that they are very prominent in controlling financial institutions, several of which have conducted their affairs with dubious standards of morality and transparency, I would be accused of being anti-Semitic.
However, I would defend my stance by saying that if ANY race or ethnic group controlled the world’s affairs and financial institutions in the monopolistic way a certain Jewish clique do, I would be equally offended.
The point is that the Neo-con gang are almost exclusively Jewish and many important bankers are Jewish: The Neo-con gang, with their pals in financial institutions and arms industry are behind the ‘deep state’ and US world domination. I’m not being racist – I hate the behaviour of the Neo-cons – they just happen to be Jewish – but I would hate them just as much if they were British or any other race.
Oh My. So the J.ws control the world’s affairs and financial institutions, arms industries, deep state and world domination do they? Not only is that completely bollocks but it is also a straight up anti-Semitic trope no different to that put about by the National Socialists in 1930s Germany . Are you a member of the Labour Party?
sounds like you need an anti-splenetic, perhaps followed by a warm milky drink and an early night.
Doubtless you agree with all of the above post.
Lost your sense of humour? You thought Boris Johnston’s observations were funny.
To Anon1:
I suppose you have mountains of evidence to dispute my claims?
Your reaction is emotional, irrational and of the primitive thinking sort.
I actually think the Jews have much to be proud of – Albert Einstein, Noam Chomsky, and many others but unfortunately a right wing Israeli government has become increasingly belligerent and racist in occupying and victimising Palestinians (I hasten to add that I also don’t approve of the more militant members of Hamas). By the way, there are plenty of anti-Semites in the Tory party but the Tory dominated mainstream media is determined to pin anti-Semitism on Corbyn in order to destroy him – thanks to people like you they are succeeding.
By the way, I’m a Green – not a member of the Labour Party.
@ Garth Carthy August 9, 2018 at 13:48
Green or not, I hope you vote for JC. He’s the UK’s best (only?) hope.
If he can be brought down by idiotic smears and non-stop MSM demonisation, then they would have done what Hitler failed to do: England really bill be ‘done’: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnRIejYv9mo
Anon_1:
Read the facts in the ‘Dearborn Independent’ (Henry Ford) and be off with your pathetic ‘anti-semitic’ straw-man. (For those interested, use DuckDuckGo to search – G00gle is not what it once was).
‘Anti-semitism’ is a bulls**t word used to intimidate criticism. It is getting worn out from over use.
Garth is welcome, in my world, to make a sensible social observation without having the slur of ‘anti-semite’ thrown at him.
I
To joeblogs who says: “Garth is welcome, in my world, to make a sensible social observation without having the slur of ‘anti-semite’ thrown at him.”
Thank you for your support, Joe. You probably agree that the little spat between ANON1 and myself is a sort of microcosm of what is so hideously wrong in the political and journalistic life of the UK and US.
I “did a Corbyn” and tried hard to show even-handedness but that was just totally ignored because it didn’t fit the preferred bias of those determined to push a false anti-Semitism agenda.
Garth
“To joeblogs who says: “Garth is welcome, in my world, to make a sensible social observation without having the slur of ‘anti-semite’ thrown at him.”…”
It is true that saying something like ” the Neo-con gang are almost exclusively Jewish and many important bankers are Jewish” IS a social observation (I shan’t comment om its accuracy).
But the real question is : WHY do you choose to make that particular observation?
What is its purpose and why do you not choose, for example, to say something like “the Tory gang overwhelmingly professes the Christian faith and many (most) British senior FCO officials are (nominally) Christian”?
Please assure us that you are not choosing to make that particular social observation because the Neocons and top bankers are widely disliked and by linking them to a particular religion you hope to have that dislike extended to those who profess that particular religion.
Interesting points Charles, as you say generalisations aren’t always true.
However your comment brought back to me Edmund De Waal’s fabulous book, The Hare with the Amber Eyes, which recounts the life of a member of the very wealthy banking Ephrussi family.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephrussi_family
I do recommed the book but not because of banking links or conspiracy ideas, but because it’s a very interesting period read, in which the lead character Charles, no not you Charles, (non-ficticious) encounters a whole host of relatively well known people of the day, in the hunt for Netsuke.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsuke
@ Charles Bostock August 9, 2018 at 15:29
Perhaps it’s because these same Neocon crazies are the driving force behind all the wars and interventions in the Middle East, and they just so happen to target I^rael’s perceived enemies, or countries which pose a problem for the furtherance of the Yinon Plan, or ‘Greater I^rael’.
@ Charles Bostock August 9, 2018 at 15:29
‘…I shan’t comment om its accuracy…’
Why on earth not? If it is true, then stating the truth is a crime. already?
Attacking the crimes of Z^onist Neocons is not the same as attacking a religious and racial group, whom they just happen to also belong to (or claim to). Of course there are also so-called ‘Christian’ Zionists among the Neocons, lusting after the ‘rapture’ (they would be far better off stocking up on asbestos underwear – it’s rumoured to be kinda hot where they’s headed, which is kinda due south of their imagined destination).
Any student of history will correctly identify the overtly supremacist ideology of the Anglo-Saxon Protestant as the main influence in global control, first from the British Empiricists and later from the American Capitalists.
As their power and influence spread they morphed into a global trans-national nexus, with the aim of dominating the globe through the control of politics via the media, finance, industry, agriculture, state security services and economic policy. J*ws have played their part in the globalist construct because, for one historical reason or another, they excel in many of these areas and have a cultural predisposition towards trans-nationalism.
Influential 19th and 20th Century Zionist J*ws, particularly the Rothschild’s, subsequently used their influence within the globalist construct to create a nation state for themselves for various reasons; mostly religious, financial and political, while also serving the geopolitical ambitions of the globalists.
Modern Israel is simply an extension of the same agenda and ideology which started with the British and was inherited by the US, it is in effect a progeny of the globalist, trans-national controlling elites, who happen to be mostly Anglo-Saxon Protestants, and are often associated with secret societies, e.g. Freemasonry, which at it’s heart is a Judaic quasi-religion. The secret societies also happen to be dominant in the security services, judiciary and law enforcement of the countries they control. This is why criticism of Israel is attacked by the establishment in the UK and US; because ultimately it’s a criticism of themselves.
Hope that clears it up.
They’re all coming out of the woodwork now!
More to the point, are you a member of Likud?
Nearly an hour now since this post went up. Will any Labour supporter on here object to It?
To Anon1.
I object to all your posts because you are a very silly boy.
BNP type rather than silly.
BNP hate J.ws, you imbecile. You should join.
Er no. Rabidly anti-Muslim but very pro-Israel. Ring any bells?
The whole Bush family, the Cheneys, McCain, Rubio all Jcwish? HRC or May too? Trump’s lawyer was, but has been squashed out of power. Maybe the Arabian Gulf kings have secretly converted?
The Chinese ethic group is creating a monopoly on manufacturing, did you notice? Trump did.
@ Antonyl August 9, 2018 at 13:40
If the truth were to be known, I would guess all these ‘..Arabian Gulf kings have secretly (converted) “become 33* Masons”..’.
Like Ataturk before them. They follow the ‘pure’ Luciferian Doctrine.
They are, of course, not alone in this. Their Islamic credentials are as real as Bliar’s, Bush’s, Pinochet’s etc. ‘Christianity’.
Lucifer or Luciferian doctrine, really just arise from the Morning Star, also called the Evening Star the planet Venus. Before his fall he was described as the Bringer of Light (incidently Ho Chi Minh’s name also means bringer of light).
Of course men create secret societies around ancient religious folklore, and use these sect for wealth and advancement.
An interesting story though surely just folklore, is that of St Michael throwing Satan out of heaven on Michaelmas day. On the way down to hell, satan landed on a Blackberry bush, painful I’d imagine, anyway Satan spat on the berries and cursed the bush from hence forth. Now according to folklore Blackberries can’t be eaten after Michaelmas day, due to satan’s curse upon them.
As for Ataturk, he modernised Turkey, into a secular state. His reforms were far reaching, and beneficial in my opinion.
Attaturk reforms beneficial?
Northampton County Council appear to be obeying the letter of Cameron torydom and yes they are true believers, in privatisation and contracting out services, in reducing public spending and increasing the voluntary sector, in using extravagance in capital expenditure to justify spending on essential services.
Good always comes in spite of politicians. I will never forget the humungous portraits of Attaturk scowling down on teachers and infants alike, challenging the people to survive and prosper in spite of gross malignance and interference of the masonic state.
Attaturk epitomises the baleful effect of dogma over free will. He created a masusoleum for Islam made from hate. Erdogan has transformed his mantle of secularism into Islamism, which is subjugation by fear of a totalitarian hierarchical state.
Thatcherism has already delivered total economic collapse in 2008. Islamism will deliver total spiritual failure in due course. I registered my total opposition to Thatcherism from 1079, and I hereby register my total opposition of the Muslim Brotherhood and all its works including Daesh, attacking Kurdistan and penalising conscience objectors to totalitarian rule. All I have to do now is wait.
whoops, .. reducing spending…
@ MJ August 9, 2018 at 13:32
You forgot the Novichok enema! We could always blame Russia…
@ Garth Carthy August 9, 2018 at 12:47
The IHRA rules can be compared to the Heresy Laws of old.
As Galileo and Giordano Bruno found out, the truth of what you say is no defence, if it goes against the beliefs or dogmas of a powerful ruling group.
Just the same as Ken Livingstone, who was kicked out of the Labour Party for simply stating an historical fact.
we could do with an equivalent term for the Saudis
GC – “However, I would defend my stance by saying that if ANY race or ethnic group controlled the world’s affairs and financial institutions in the monopolistic way a certain Jewish clique do, I would be equally offended.”
Anti-semitic rubbish.
Is a ‘Jewish clique’ in charge in China, Russia, the EU, India, any Asian country, any South American country? Of course not.
In the USA, about the only conspiracy theory that could get legs would be that a white male protestant clique is in charge – and that wouldn’t run for long.
As Mearsheimer and Walt make clear, the Israel lobby in the USA is a disparate mix of various interests – it definitely isn’t some conspiracy.
For me the most telling part of Cook’s piece is the following question
“Why are the “Jewish” sensitivities of Margaret Hodge, Ruth Smeeth or Louise Ellman more important than those of Moshe Machover, Tony Greenstein, Cyril Chilson, Jackie Walker or Glyn Secker – all Labour activists who have found their sensitivities, as Jews opposing the abuse of Palestinians, count for little or nothing among Labour officials?”
J Arther.
Because the former examples are usually gentile ‘front-men’.
The latter group are classed as outcasts by the Zionists, so do not get a mention.
Self-hating in fact.
I knew that there were ‘snakes’ in Israel but not crocodiles. \An horrific story.
‘Officials fear an “international incident” over the potential escape of hundreds of crocodiles left stranded at a remote farm on the Israeli border.
The animals were brought to the Jordan Valley – which separates Israel and the West Bank from Jordan – some 20 years ago and have been stuck there ever since, with their numbers constantly growing.
Originally they were brought to the area as part of a plan to open a tourist attraction in the Petzael settlement, but violence between Israelis and Palestinians meant the proposals were abandoned.’
That’s right. Blame it on the Palestinians. Twisted journalism.
https://news.sky.com/story/growing-fears-that-stranded-crocodiles-may-spark-an-international-incident-11466511
This is the current IDF spokesman who is reporting today on the increased Israeli military activity on Gaza.
https://www.israeliamerican.org/new-york/team-member/jonathan-conricus
He has moved from working at ‘peacekeeping’ to speaking for the Occupier and attempting to justify their military action in Gaza last night when airstrikes killed a young Palestinan mother and her child.
There have been 150 airstrikes in recent months. They are heading for another all out war.
@ Sharp Ears August 9, 2018 at 13:58
Though I totally support the Palestinians, I say again they are mad to fire these rockets, most of which do no harm, when they know overwhelming retaliation will ensue, killing their people.
I may be wrong, but I believe it is promoted by ‘agents provocateurs’ in the pay or under the orders of the ‘ME Exceptionals’, as it suits their agenda – cui bono?
What would any of us do if we were being sealed up in a ghetto with a million other Palestinians in a sandy and narrow strip of land with little potable water or electricity ?
‘The territory is 41 kilometers (25 mi) long, and from 6 to 12 kilometers (3.7 to 7.5 mi) wide, with a total area of 365 square kilometers (141 sq mi). With around 1.85 million Palestinians on some 362 square kilometers, Gaza ranks as the 3rd most densely populated polity in the world.’
Like the proverbial ‘ drugged cockroaches in a bottle’ as wished for by Raphael Eitan? And being knocked off like flies by snipers and airstrikes?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4034765.stm
This is the latest example of the Israeli cruelty with the approval of the ex nightclub bouncer, Avigdor Lieberman.
Revealed: first images of Israel’s sea barrier blockading Gaza
Israel’s underwater barrier designed to further blockade the besieged Gaza Strip https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180806-revealed-first-images-of-israels-sea-barrier-blockading-gaza/
‘Israel has also imposed a naval blockade on the Gaza Strip, which currently limits Gaza’s fishermen to a distance of three nautical miles, some 17 less than was original proposed under the Oslo Accords of the early 1990s. Last week, two ships belonging to the Freedom Flotilla attempted to break the naval blockade, but were intercepted by Israeli naval forces in international waters. Crew members of Al-Awda, the first ship to be intercepted, have accused Israeli forces of violence and other governments have said that Israel’s actions broke international law.’
The Muslim Brotherhood , with whom Hamas is affitiliated have as their essential creed that change will only come through conflict. The victims of conflict are martyrs, and inciters of conflict at others’ expense are heroes. the Muslim Brotherhood are not mad, they want power, mostly at a lot of other people’s expense. Islam specifically and categorically disallows that vast expense to innocent civilians. But it’s nice for the ambitious of the Zionists and the ambitious of the Islamists to attend posh hotels and meet.
Reminds me of the whited sepulchres of the priest class cursed by Jesus pbuh. It is rather nice living in West London at British expense and commanding young people to sacrifice themselves under the WMD of Israel. who wants to drink vicarage sherry when you can drink Muslim blood?
What are you saying Paul? That they need better rockets?
Surely the jewish citizens of jewish land are being scared enough by their Goverent.
10th AUG 2018 – VIGIL TO DEMAND FREEDOM FOR HASSAN MUSHAIMA AND END UK COMPLICITY IN AL-KHALIFA REGIME CRIMES AGAINST BAHRAINI PEOPLE
https://www.facebook.com/events/329615380915318/
DATE: Friday 10th Aug 2018, 3pm-5pm
LOCATION: Bahrain Embassy, 30 Belgrave Sq, London SW1X 8QB.
FACEBOOK: https://www.facebook.com/events/329615380915318/
WEB: http://inminds.co.uk/article.php?id=10814
The weather should be OK, possibly light showers.
Avram Burg, former Speaker of the Knesset and former chairman of the Jewish Agency and the World Zionist Organisation, in his 2008 book, The Holocaust is Over: We Must Rise From Its Ashes:
“Jews hold stunningly powerful positions and clout in the United States. The combination of America’s state power and the Jewish power in the areas of legislation, administration, media, law, business, culture and entertainment have made the Jews a defining factor of contemporary America.
“Because Israel is inseparable from the identity of American Jews, Israel is inseparable from the American experience.
“The original pioneering Israel has metamorphosed in the last four decades of its existence; since 1967 it has changed its character. From a weak, embryonic state, it has become the most powerful Jewish entity ever.
“At the same time, American Jewry underwent a corresponding change, no less profound and meaningful, beginning with the 1960s human rights revolution and the openness of John Fitzgerald Kennedy to Jews.
“American Jews today are no longer part of the minority coalition in the struggle for American justice and liberties. Too many of my Jewish American brothers and sisters have become the beating heart of neoconservatism.
“They are part of the white, right-wing, nationalist, and powerful establishment, part of an administration and culture that withdraw from the global responsibility that defined America’s spirit during World War II.”
Ms Dick rules Johnson’s words are not a hate crime. Really?
Boris Johnson’s burka comments not hate crime, says police chief
9th August 2018
Boris Johnson faces mounting pressure to apologise for his comments Photo of him in full flow with open gob.
Boris Johnson’s comment that Muslim women who wear burkas look like bank robbers does not reach the “bar” to be considered a hate crime, the head of the Metropolitan police said today.
In an unusual intervention, Cressida Dick said that she had spoken to specialists officers about the former foreign secretary’s comments and had judged that they did not constitute a criminal office.
However, speaking to the BBC’s Asian network she admitted that many people had found them “offensive” while others supported his right to make the argument.
She said: “I spoke last night to my very experienced officers who deal with hate crime and, although we have not yet received any allegation of such a crime, I can tell you that my preliminary view… paywall
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/boris-johnson-was-right-about-burka-says-leading-imam-brqqlfq6z
I read the print version when out. The Times have found a tame imam who agrees with Johnson. They printed his letter. Gideon’s rag too:
Leading imam defends Boris Johnson over controversial burka comments: ‘He did not go far enough’
2 hours ago
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/he-did-not-go-far-enough-leading-imam-defends-boris-johnson-over-controversial-burka-comments-amid-a3907106.html
Unbelievable!
Even the MSM’s metaphorical propaganda dungeon has its collaborator-prisoners, desperately wanking for the entertainment of the guards.
Not a flattering pose.
Interesting comments from the Imam, is he a Islamic progressive for Muslim women’s freedoms? Or is he an MI6 operative attempting to take the heat out the situation in order to protect Johnson?
Very definitely an MI6 agent, RepScot, very well spotted as always!
Ah sarcasm, my favourite, thank you Charles.
You’re most welcome, RepScot!
If Boris Johnson’s burka comments were a hate crime, what should we call many of the comments on this thread (and others) about J^ws ?
@ Charles Bostock August 9, 2018 at 15:46
The truth?
Charles.
Yes you do have a valid point, perhaps the current witch hunt, with regards to anti-Semitism, against Jeremy Corbyn hasn’t helped matters any.
I don’t think it matters what you call it, it is what it is. He’s a prominent public figure. He’s fuelling hate and devision. As with all prominent far right racists they try & stay behind a line, in johnons case make it seem jokey & non-serious.
The issue is it’s part of a consistent behaviour from him. I mean he is a “hate crime”. He doesn’t need to physically hurt anyone. Far right followers carry it out. https://twitter.com/novaramedia/status/1027190774482591744
It’s well strange, iv been getting back into Astrophysics (much needed brain stretch) and then see people brutalising other people for “western civilisation” Or “nation”…Or stunting our combined human development potential for “sovereignty” ….What retards.
Ps- This is a good essay on the subject also https://jacobinmag.com/2018/08/tommy-robinson-fascist-bbc-prison-sentence
Surely this is a key point, remarks about someone’s religious beliefs, which they find offensive, are not automatically hate crimes, however much those on the receiving end would like them to be.
Well I’m sure old Cres weighing in for Johnson will impress us all. Then again, she owes someone bigtime for letting her near the top job never mind giving it to her! I’m sure the family of Jean Charles de Menezes will agree.
Strange how all of a sudden what you choose to wear is of such great interest. People should be free to wear what they want blah blah. What has it got to do with Boris Johnson blah blah. Got an opinion? You are a racist or a fascist blah bah.
Where exactly were all you bleeding hearts when the British state spent in excess of £300,000 imprisoning and persecuting this man for what he to wear – or not as the case may be.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11664860/Naked-rambler-why-have-we-spent-300000-imprisoning-this-harmless-eccentric.html
Loony.
I recall this guy floating around Scotland stark naked, a complete contrast to what’s being discussed. However even you must admit that naked rambling in towns or not for that matter is inapropriate.
By advocating his rights to bare all whenever and wherever, we’d see everyone who chose to do so float around our towns and cities stark naked. That I’m afraid would surely put quite a few folk off their tea, and give them nightmares into the bargain. Sales of Prozac would double over night.
They certainly would, especially if the naked runners had spindly legs, a sagging gut and droopy chops, eh, RepScot.
Not need to mention HRH Charles, I’m sure she has enough on her plate with regards to her parasitical brood.
Meanwhile how Israel is countering, or attempting to counter BDS, in an online war in “hackathons” to gain your support, or at least your understanding.
https://jacobinmag.com/2017/07/israel-social-media-app-idf-shin-bet-bds
Given that BDS is propaganda aimed against Israel, what could be the objection to the Israeli authorities aiming to counter that propaganda? Talk us through it if you will.
Well it goes without saying that Israel will attempt to counter it. However I think the real crux of the matter lies in why BDS exists in the first place.
“Given that BDS is propaganda aimed against Israel, what could be the objection to the Israeli authorities aiming to counter that propaganda? Talk us through it if you will.”
Sorry Chabbs, but BDS is of course not propaganda. It is, as the initials indicate, boycott, divestment and sanctions. So your question should be: what could be the objection to I^rael countering by boycotting, divesting and sanctioning the Palestinians? Which would imply there is actually anything left to the Palestinians that the I^raelis could indeed further boycott, divest from or sanction. I’m interested to hear your assessment of what that would amount to. Oxygen maybe?
Dave
You’re right – partially. So let me rephrase my question as follows :
“Given that BDS is economic and cultural warfare aimed against Israel, what could be the objection to the Israeli authorities aiming to counter that economic and cultural warfare? Talk us through it if you will.”
I admit it, I simply could not make it up.
From The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA):
‘Since 2 August, the Israeli authorities have prohibited the entry of fuel into the Gaza Strip…’
‘Today, the Humanitarian Coordinator, Mr. Jamie McGoldrick, called on the Israeli authorities to immediately allow the entry of UN-purchased emergency fuel into the Gaza Strip.
“Restricting the entry of emergency fuel to Gaza is a dangerous practice, with grave consequences on the rights of people in Gaza,” said Mr. McGoldrick. “The well-being of two million people, half of whom are children, is at stake. It is unacceptable that Palestinians in Gaza are repeatedly deprived of the most basic elements of a dignified life.” ‘
Entry of emergency fuel urgently needed to avoid closure of hospitals and overflow of sewage in Gaza streets
Russkies are getting ready to rumble on Skripalgate, maybe on the kinetic side of asymmetric.
Tin hats and gas masks, everybody.
Would contributors kindly stop using meaningless words like …..phobia (which is a specific medical condition), race which is a meaningless nonentity and semite which covers a plethora of people share it as their first language.
Charming, Charming.
‘‘Enemy of the people’: Almost half of Republicans say Trump should be allowed to close media outlets’:
https://www.rt.com/usa/435435-trump-close-down-media/
‘…While 68 percent of Democrats believe that the media is honest…’
Not so much thick as two planks, as thick as twenty two planks. What a bunch of morons.
But the serious side of it is, believing in the ‘truthfulness’ of the MSM means they can be led along like lemmings to believing whatever crazy war-promoting BS that they are fed.
I wonder what our UK electorate’s answer to the question of MSM truth would be? Going by MSM comments (where allowed), nothing like the Demoprats’ 2/3 belief rate, I would guess.
I usually get at least a few smiles on the London Underground when I pipe up with: ‘Please mind the gap……..between what the MSM tell you and the truth…public service announcement’.