In parliament, Alan Duncan for the government has just rejected yesterday’s stunning result at the International Court of Justice, where British occupation of the Chagos Islands was found unlawful by a majority of 13 to 1, with all the judges from EU countries amongst those finding against the UK.
This represents a serious escalation in the UK’s rejection of multilateralism and international law and a move towards joining the US model of exceptionalism, standing outside the rule of international law. As such, it is arguably the most significant foreign policy development for generations. In the Iraq war, while Britain launched war without UN Security Council authority, it did so on a tenuous argument that it had Security Council authority from earlier resolutions. The UK was therefore not outright rejecting the international system. On Chagos it is now simply denying the authority of the International Court of Justice; this is utterly unprecedented.
Duncan put forward two arguments. Firstly that the ICJ opinion was “only” advisory to the General Assembly. Secondly, he argued that the ICJ had no jurisdiction as the case was a bilateral dispute with Mauritius (and thus could only go before the ICJ with UK consent, which is not given).
But here Duncan is – against all British precedent and past policy – defying a ruling of the ICJ. The British government argued strenuously in the present case against ICJ jurisdiction, on just the grounds Duncan cited. The ICJ considered the UK’s arguments, together with arguments from 32 other states and from the African Union. The ICJ ruled that it did have jurisdiction, because this was not a bilateral dispute but part of the UN ordained process of decolonisation.
The International Court of Justice’s ruling on this point is given at length in paras 83 to 91 of its Opinion. This is perhaps the key section:
88. The Court therefore concludes that the opinion has been requested on the matter of decolonization which is of particular concern to the United Nations. The issues raised by the request are located in the broader frame of reference of decolonization, including the General Assembly’s role therein, from which those issues are inseparable (Western Sahara, Advisory Opinion, I.C.J. Reports 1975, p. 26, para. 38; Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, Advisory Opinion, I.C.J. Reports 2004 (I), p. 159, para. 50).
89. Moreover, the Court observes that there may be differences of views on legal questions in advisory proceedings (Legal Consequences for States of the Continued Presence of South Africa in Namibia (South West Africa) notwithstanding Security Council Resolution 276 (1970), Advisory Opinion, I.C.J. Reports 1971, p. 24, para. 34). However, the fact that the Court may have to pronounce on legal issues on which divergent views have been expressed by Mauritius and the United Kingdom does not mean that, by replying to the request, the Court is dealing with a bilateral dispute.
90. In these circumstances, the Court does not consider that to give the opinion requested would have the effect of circumventing the principle of consent by a State to the judicial settlement of its dispute with another State. The Court therefore cannot, in the exercise of its discretion, decline to give the opinion on that ground.
91. In light of the foregoing, the Court concludes that there are no compelling reasons for it to decline to give the opinion requested by the General Assembly.
As stated at para 183, that the court did have jurisdiction was agreed unanimously, with even the US judge (the sole dissenter on the main question) in accord. For the British government to reject the ICJ’s unanimous ruling on jurisdiction, and quote that in parliament as the reason for not following the ICJ Opinion, is an astonishing abrogation of international law by the UK. It really is unprecedented. The repudiation of the UN Working Group on Arbitrary Detention over Julian Assange pointed the direction the UK is drifting, but that body does not have the prestige of the International Court of Justice.
The International Court of Justice represents the absolute pinnacle of, and embodies the principle of, international law. In 176 decisions, such as Nigeria vs Cameroon or Malaysia vs Indonesia, potentially disastrous conflicts have been averted by the states’ agreement to abide by the rule of law. The UK’s current attack on the ICJ is a truly disastrous new development.
I have taken it for granted that you know that the reason the UK refuses to decolonise the Chagos Islands is to provide an airbase for the US military on Diego Garcia. If Brexit goes ahead, the Chagos Islands will also lead to a major foreign policy disagreement between the UK and US on one side, and the EU on the other. The EU will be truly shocked by British repudiation of the ICJ.
I have studied the entire and lengthy ICJ Opinion on the Chagos Islands, together with its associated papers, and I will write further on this shortly.
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Could someone please declare themselves prime minister of Britain and get backing from Trump and the EU? After all this capitalist government has starved its own people, has been shown several times to be in contempt of the democratic process, ignored international law, engages in belligerent foreign wars of choice and is accused of bribery to keep itself in power.
all the attributes of a failed state, no?
Rogue state.
The government is not capitalist, rather it is overseeing a kleptocracy.
No doubt the government is very happy for the population to believe that they are capitalist – after all quite a lot of people support capitalism. I am aware of no-one who advocates for kleptocracy, and strongly suspect that the entire population would be filled with revulsion if they came to understand the true nature of the government.
Oh yes a lot of people support capitalism usually through donating to them the benefit of their labour.
Most are under the fond illusion that with out capitalists no one would have a job.Which is pure bilge.
A ‘Kleptocracy ‘ doesn’t have national boundaries. The Kleptocracy are nothing if not global in their ambitions.
An current example is the US’s Kleptocratic eyeing up of Venezuela.
Kleptocrats are also notable for not having their own military forces and not bothering to pay for one through taxes etc – they use our money to pay for their ambitions.
It is very simple in most nations really;
The 1% employ around 2% of people ( governments/generals/ media journalists and presenters ) to represent their interests.
The other 98% of the people pay for the 1%’s servicing through TV licences/ advertising and opinion pieces in the Guardian and everytime they buy an item in the shops or on Amazon ( inc Vat – the rich do not pay VAT ) so you could call it retail capitalism where not only do you buy the 1%’s goods or services you also pay for the media advertising that perpetuates the whole neoliberal ideology which underpins the whole show.
This is why there is still a hard core 35 plus percent of voters who still vote Tory.
That and the racism of course.
Loony
You fail to see that if the essence of capitalism is not cleprocracy, at least capitalism allows kleptocracy.
After all a great thinker once said:
“Property is theft”.
That does seem to be the logical position they’re effectively backing…..surprised and not surprised people don’t recognise this..
There is no show without Israel.
‘Some have described the blossoming relationship between Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Prime Minister Narendra Modi as a “bromance”; one that enriched Israel with $1.6 billion-worth of weapons sales in 2016, making itself the second-largest supplier of arms to the Indian state; and one that has enriched India with drones, bombs, and missiles – many of which will be used to further entrench its occupation of Kashmir.
Binyamin Netanyahu and wife Sarah receive a statue of Gandhi on a recent visit to India [Hindustan Times/Getty] Photo
Last month, what looked to be an on-again, off-again deal to sell India 8,000 Spike anti-tank missiles from Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, an Israeli weapons manufacturer, became set to materialise in a deal worth $500 million.
While the media fixates on both the closer ties forged between the two states and the eyeball-popping dollar amounts of these arms deals, the plight of the Kashmiri people, who no doubt will be on the receiving end of these Indian-procured weapons, remains altogether ignored.’
Israel’s blossoming romance with India crushes both Kashmiris and Palestinians
21st February 2019
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/comment/2018/2/21/israels-romance-with-india-crushes-both-kashmiris-and-palestinians
There is another little trick, the UK Govt and their allies played to thwart any plans to return by the Chagossians, which is the designation of the whole area as a Marine Conservation Zone. I recall this was signed off by David Milliband during his short tenure in high office, and cited as a shining example of the Govt’s commitment to the “Environment”. I guess the waste stream produced by the Diego Garcia base is considerable, and trust that not one drop pollutes this ecologically pristine area.
“…and trust that not one drop pollutes this ecologically pristine area.”
Report from 2014 confirming that for three decades the US was in breach of environmental rules on Diego Garcia:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/exclusive-world-s-most-pristine-waters-are-polluted-by-us-navy-human-waste-9193596.html
This is a gem from the article you cited:
Britain insists it has “stringent environmental legislation” in place to protect Diego Garcia, which counts as British territory and is overseen by a Royal Navy commander known as the British Representative. But it is unclear whether it has taken any formal enforcement action against the US Navy.
When asked by The Independent whether US authorities had received any notice of breach of UK law or been prosecuted or fined, the FCO said: “Since identifying this issue in April last year, we have worked with our US partners to assess the scale of the problem and rapidly agree a comprehensive mitigation plan that is now well under way.”
Love the Sir Humphrey style response at the end.
@Pyewacket
Quite – standard ‘lapdog’ style response. But, of course, no one should question the integrity of the British (and, yes, I am one). The same category of response as given when the UK was asked about the morality of supplying arms to Saudi Arabia which are targeted at innocent Yemeni civilians. I paraphrase but it was along the lines of “We have strict measures in place to ensure they are not used for such purposes”. Oh yeah. As the second supplier of weapons to SA, only surpassed by the US, do they really think we are stupid enough to believe whatever controls they claim to have? Clearly they do and, sad to say, a large proportion of the British people accept it without question. At most they probably ask the Saudis to sign a piece of paper guaranteeing that they will not be used for purposes outside the scope of international law. That should suffice to ensure the well being of the Yemeni people and whomever else the Saudis might otherwise ‘accidentally’ hit in their military endeavours. And don’t get me on to Philip May, who just happens to work for a company (Capital Group) which is THE major shareholder in BAE who are the main providers of the armaments to SA and the second largest shareholder in Lockheed Martin, the US company who supply military equipment to SA. Both BAE and LM’s share prices soared after the illegal and baseless coalition attack on Syria.
Does Umunna’s Independent Group sitting as a private company, rather than a party, mean that parliament has been/is being privatised and if so doesn’t this logically lead, at some point, to the government being privatised?
I have been wondering the same thing. The group has hidden funding due to being a company not a party and for the, shall we say politically aware, this could be another state having undue hidden influence on Britains parliament.
But condsider those who are not as politically active, i.e. the vast majority of the populous, who expend so much time and energy just trying to get by that they don’t have time to get too deeply into the minutae of things. These are the people that are suppsedly sympathetic to the IG. Would these people give support if it turns out that the IG is being funded by Blair and Mandleson who realise they’re toxic so set up a “shell” group to hide their involvement?
How would people feel if the IG backers are the Koch brothers, Monsanto, Ineos and B.P. Would people trust them to work on our behalf or not? The point is, as it stands this group could be funded and directed by any number of nefarious characters and vested interests and it appears we can do nothing about it.
If the Independent Group is some sort of private company what does it mean to say rhat someone is a “member” of it? Are they shareholders, employees or something else?
As the Great Satan (US) armed Iran and Iraq, so its favourite obedient minion Britain has armed India and Pakistan.
Recent skirmishes between Pakistan and India, has saw tensions rise, lets not forget both nations are in possession of nuclear weapons.
https://www.caat.org.uk/media/press-releases/2019-02-26
China and Russia are the biggest suppliers of arms to both sides. China supplied 70% of Pakistan’s arms imports last year and India has signed a $5billion contract to buy S400s from Russia; but I suppose that’s alright.
If you hadn’t noticed the aircraft the Indians lost was a Mig 21.
And the nuclear technology was certainly not supplied to India and Pakistan by the Unioed Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. RoS has got it wrong…again.
As Westmister aids and abets the Great Satan’s illegal attempts to overthrow the democratically elected president of Venezuela, demonstrators have protested outside the Old Lady of Threadneedle street.
They’re protesting over Britain refusal to return gold bullion back to Venezuela. It’s the second such protest outside the BoE, asking for the gold to be returned to Venezuela.
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2019/02/26/demonstrators-once-again-demand-the-bank-of-england-return-stolen-venezuelan-gold/
I am sure there is a logical explanation for your devotion to democracy in Venezuela and your contempt of democracy in the UK when it comes to leaving the EU.
No doubt there is an equally compelling explanation for Venezuelans protesting about gold repatriation and a complete absence of Germans protesting regarding gold repatriation.
Sadly I am quite dumb and so cannot immediately identify exactly what these explanations might be.
Are you entirely sure the Germans are so relaxed about their gold reserves?
The Italians certainly aren’t.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Italy-Fears-For-Gold-Reserves-As-UK-Seizes-Venezuelan-Gold-20190226-0020.html
According to the Maduro regime’s propaganda channel
Remember, that although the US returned to Germany at least some of its gold, Germans wondered why the bars had been recast; they were not the marked bars that the US had taken possession of. Wasn’t there some talk of the US cutting gold with titanium to extend its supply?
A small gold piece purchased a year or so ago from the Canadian mint was found to be merely plated when it broke when dropped…
Venezuelan gold v. German gold. Completely different scenarios. Venezuela has asked for the return of its gold from London and the UK is refusing to co-operate. Germany was quite content to leave its reserves in New York, London and Paris until commencement of a repatriation programme for some of the gold kept in New York and Paris announced in 2013 under the control of Carl-Ludwig Thiele of Deutschebank. Because of the logistics involved this has been progressed gradually and is due to be completed in 2020. To quote Mr Thiele in 2017, when responding to rumours that some of the gold in New York may have gone missing, “It is there [New York]. And it was never a problem to see it or have it transported to Germany”.
I think you will find that all German gold has now been repatriated to Germany. The original anticipated schedule was accelerated as a consequence of German pressure. A form of pressure that did not involve public demonstrations or the lunatic fringe developing and promoting theories regarding an international plot to overthrow the German government.
If Germany was as content as you claim then why do you think it applied pressure to accelerate its gold repatriation?
Also Germany did not repatriate any gold from London.
Have you ever thought of a career in the fake news business?
Are you deliberately missing the point? All right, I hadn’t appreciated that the schedule had been brought forward but that is not relevant to the simple point I am making. Venezuela want their own gold back and have been refused by London. Germany wanted half of their gold reserves back and this request wasn’t refused by Paris or New York.
Contrary to what you say, Germany had already repatriated 930 tonnes [cf. FT 11 November 2017] from the Bank of England in the early 2000s after the Bank increased its rents.
In all cases the timescale of the repatriation of the German gold, including the acceleration of the programme after public pressure, was under the control of the Germans, not those who stored the gold for them… unlike the Venezuelan situation.
There currently remains 1200 tons in New York and 430 tons in London and the Germans currently have no plans to repatriate it. All the gold in Paris was repatriated.
https://news.goldcore.com/ie/gold-blog/german-gold-repatriation/
Interview with former UN special rapporteur to Venezuela, Alfred de Zeyas.
Basically Mr de Zeyas is saying his report was sidelined, because there’s far too much money to be made from Venezuelan assets after Maduro is overthrown.
http://www.mediacoop.ca/story/interview-former-un-special-rapporteur-venezuela-a/36823
Bit of background on de Zeyas
https://www.unwatch.org/u-n-to-endorse-hero-of-holocaust-deniers-alfred-de-zayas/
UN report says Israel a “racist state’ and “apartheid regime”
The UN report the first of its kinds states, that the apartheid system persceutes the Palestininan people.
“A UN agency published a report on Wednesday accusing Israel of imposing an “apartheid regime” of racial discrimination on the Palestinian people, and said it was the first time a UN body had clearly made the charge.”
Unsurprisingly the Great Satan is outraged by the report.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/un-report-says-israel-a-racist-state-and-apartheid-regime-1.3012189?fbclid=IwAR2wQx3W43-bmsfR-vDLOl3w1jX3U_i-uxrkoB-yALBiexjeqVfxQLOsiQc#.XGlGV_aKOs4.facebook
Does it say the same about Turkey and the Kurds?
Why don’t read the link, that’s why I added it.
Nothing about Turkey and the Kurds
https://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=21342
This is just one – there’s plenty of other reports on the Ohrdish struggle. That’s the point with Israel. That they’re not the “only liberal democracy in the Middle East” they are like turkey and others.
A UN agency published a report on Wednesday accusing Israel of imposing an “apartheid regime” of racial discrimination on the Palestinian people, and said it was the first time a UN body had clearly made the charge.
The United States of America, an ally of Israel, said it was “outraged” by the report. “The attempt to smear and falsely label the only true “democracy” in the Middle East by creating a false analogy is despicable and constitutes a blatant lie,”
Israel’s UN ambassador Danny Danon said in a statement.
So Mary Paul – no mention of how Turkey treats its minorities, such a shame, perhaps the Turkish Regime need to be reminded of the Armenian Genocide as programmed by the collapsing Turkish Empire, after the First World War, which in essence was a genocide against Christians.
https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/armenian-genocide
Congratulations, it’s a full Golgotha set!
CW KL
JC
Sorry for O/T:
Another test for Corbyn re calls to suspend Chris Williamson. This has to stop. It’s through-the-looking-glass madness. Time for the leadership to stop giving ground to these zealots. The more they give the more they’ll be pushed.
Time to focus on Islamophobia in the Tory Party.
Opinion is divided as to the wisdom of the Corbyn / McDonnell strategy for dealing with the antisemitism smear job. FWIIW, those pushing the smear are playing by AIPAC rules. There is no level of criticism of their satanic master that is permissible. Were months, years to pass with zero criticism of Netanyahu and his apartheid regime, they would still peddle the AS bullshit on principle. Weakness invites further attacks. Those supporting the McDonnell tact tend to rely on the argument that with the AS bullshit permanently in the headlines curtesy of the MSM, Corbyn and McDonnell have no option but to play along. My 87 year old mother (internet off grid) raised the subject the other day and she can see the AS propaganda for what it is and instinctively understands the agenda behind it.
Agree Mike, some say these zealots are clinging on to their jobs in the Labour party to carry on with the slurs and distraction from other issues that need airing before a possible election. The pressure that is levered by the FoI in all parties is focused on getting Corbyn smeared with a s dung, whilst promoting yourself as a possible replacement, off course, nice light blue suit and nothing to say about the important issues of the day.
Prices are rising already and by the prolonging of this ‘waiting for Brexit’ drama, we are now being treated to the full hokey cokey, shaking it all about TIG dance, much posturing and jostling, hand wringing, smiles and poesy outfits, and, hurra, a panama registration ensuring that possible financial backers are kept out of the limelight, oh what jolly fun when the voters discover that the next elections might not happen before 2022 and that the shyness for democratic accountability in all these interlopers and hypocrites, Hallo Mrs. Wollaston, whatever happened to your private members bill of past?, follows them like a stench.
But the media loves the idea of splitting the votes a little further, with disenfranchisement of voters not being much in vogue with them, as long as JC does not get elected they play any game for the big media magnates and creators of perceptions.
Thanks to pyewacket for highlighting the US Navies total disregard for marine conservation. To abrogate one’s responsibilities by polluting some more should be a crime with high fines, and or finally banning them from the location, so they positively realise their impact on that ecosystem as well as the importance of doing different.
Corbyn didn’t make it this far by being nice to bastards.
He’s on the verge of power because he listened to the membership and because he told the truth.
Corbyn seems to have many versions of the truth.
There is one version of the truth that he tells to the foreign man regarding his loathing and detestation of the EU – and quite another version of the truth that he tells to the people that he claims to represent regarding the joys and bounteousness of the EU.
Whether you like it or not very few people in the post industrial wastelands of the UK care one way or the other about Palestinians and anti Semitism. That is something that is purely of interest to professional activists. Conversely they care quite a lot about the EU.
Corbyn is rapidly making himself loathed and detested by the masses and the only power he will ever experience is when he switches on his planet destroying central heating.
No, Loony. The Mainstream Media are making Corbyn detested by the masses.
It is quite possible to loathe much of what the EU represents but still vote to remain.
It’s the lesser of two evils: Complete and utter control by the US and rightist elements if we Brexit or a less extreme control by the EU if we Remain.
Either way, the idea of the UK achieving sovereignty is a complete and utter fantasy and those proposing it are ether stupid or totally disingenuous.
Maybe – but a fair number of the policies proposed by Corbyn would likely be deemed illegal by the EU. Do you think there is some reason Corbyn has not informed his most ardent supporters than many of his policies are simple impossible to implement for so long as the UK remains in the EU.
Why do you think the Mainstream Media are capable of making Corbyn detested by the masses and yet they are unable to make people develop a favorable opinion toward the EU? They are not even able to make people detest Tommy Robinson – a much less sympathetic figure than Corbyn. Does Corbyn have no personal agency?
He does – the problem is that it’s Seumas Milne
“The Mainstream Media are making Corbyn detested by the masses.”
How do you know?
The strategy is working as Corbyn is carrying out the same strategy as Kinnock as giving ground to a opponent only encourages. It allows the media to portray you as weak and gives credence to the allegations of your opponents.
People despise weakness in a leader.
For example by Kinnock attacking the left in his own party only gave credence to the yellow press and the Tories of the labour party containing extremist leftist elements that might be connected to a foreign power. He lost a general election twice, so not a matter of theory and Kinnock made Labour less not more electable, despite Blairite propaganda to the contrary. Anybody Black Wednesday and Tory economic mismanagement causing the longest downturn (after the 30s) before the 2007/8, anything with a pulse would of won against the Tory party after that.
All as I know is that after the betrayal of his manifesto commitment to honour the referendum I will not vote for him. The spineless caving in to Blairite hate campaigns against his political allies have proved him unworthy of trust.
The strategy was quite clear isolate Corbyn from anyone who might be able to fight his corner using whatever contrived allegations the Blairites could use, then attack Corbyn when shorn of any voices that might defend him.
Corbyn is finished, I will not vote Labour until the 184 Labour MPs who abstained on the 2014 Tory Welfare Bill are expelled from the party, when any labour MP who voted for the Iraq or Syrian war is expelled from the party.
Note not just deselected but expelled from the party from bringing the party into disrepute.
Note also that the mechanism used to destroy Corbyn in addition to Anti-smtism was Remain, as they were unable to sufficiently weaponise Anti-Smtism.to destroy the left and Corbyn. Remain has been successfully used to isolate Corbyn and force him into a position against against his own party that was then used to jetterson working class support by supporting a second referendum ensuring he will win no election as Labour cannot win in London alone as this is where Remain was concentrated in England. So well done Remain, you have ensured Corby or a left wing government wont be elected. The majority of labour supporters supported Remain, irrelevant as Labour lost the last election and can only win by appealing to leave voters to increase their vote and labour remain voters cannot vote Tory in protest, but former labour voters who voted leave can vote Tory, or UKIP or Farage Party. As Labour list has pointed out of the 6 Labour seats lost in the 2017 election all were leave voting constituencies. Remain campaign was a lie, after all Chuka previously supported leaving the single market to restrict free movement and was against a 2nd referendum, and only did a 180 in a cynical attempt to attack Corbyn and destroy a left wing opposition.
You would call Momentum who supported the contrived ant-smtsm campaign and Remain and Remain supporters pretending to support the left (such as the SNP) useful idiots for the Blairites and the Tories, only they are not useful.
I was initially impressed with Sturgen, believed in her as a left wing politician as a diminished UK without Scotland would find retaining nukes difficult, and make imperialist adventures with the US impossible without Scotland’s oil . But she really is a De-Valera figure making sure independence is safe for the landlord and capitalist class, as indicated by her position on Russia and on the EU as a independent Scotland is not possible without own currency, control of the budget, control of monetary policy, control of movement of capital and State Aid.
” I will not vote Labour until the 184 Labour MPs who abstained on the 2014 Tory Welfare Bill are expelled from the party, when any labour MP who voted for the Iraq or Syrian war is expelled from the party.”
Reg; you will strengthen the hand of those 184 MPs since they can blame the lost votes on Corbyn.
So what unless these 184 are removed I fail to see how a left wing Government is possible? As all these 184 do is undermine any left wing polices and try to ensure labour does not win a majority while Corbyn or any left wing leader is in charge. Particularly given how Corbyn’s left wing supporters such as Ken Livingstone and Chris Williamson within the PLP have systematicly removed. The support from the 2nd referendum that Corbyn has been pushed into has ensured Corbyn will not win a majority at the next election, al of the 6 seats lost to labour in 2017 were leave voting constituencies.
This was on a manifesto of respecting the referendum, with a manifesto of supporting a 2nd referendum between Brexit in Name only and Remain in the EU (as Thornbery proposed), how big will this number become?
Labour has had plenty of time to remove these quislings, Corbyn has appeased them they have to be removed and politicly destroyed or they will destroy the labour movement (again). Me voting for them will not save them if they are unable to discover a backbone and remove labour MPs who would rather see Tory Government than a left wing one.
I am sick to the back teeth of real honourable members of Chris Williamson are smeared, whine duplicitous ________ (insert adjective here) are let off scott free to plan the next dishonest smear. Any labour member smeared as anti smitic should sue and throw as much mud at Watson et all as possible, do as were done by.
It is not as even the left would have to make anything up for duplicitous g__s such as Mandelson or Blair.
England has turned into some Arthur Askey version of a Carry-On nightmare deftly scripted by Charles Dickens.
Jacob Marley, aka Mogg, is Blighty’s top-hatted Ghost of Christmas Past. He drags behind him a lost empire’s cobwebbed chains of racism & xenophobia.
The kingdom’s gullible gag to clamp onto themselves—&, more importantly, onto others—the ancient farm’s lavish array of rusty nose rings & leg irons.
The ghost & his ghastly chums inherited, as did their fathers & their fathers’ fathers, a vast estate, once global in size. They will do anything, absolutely anything, to hold on to what remains—what they regard as theirs by right. They are desperate. Just watch.
Crimeans are Russian. A fact they reaffirmed very recently in a referendum.
What about the Crimean Tartars ethnically cleansed by Stalin?…….
In 1989 the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union condemned their removal from Crimea.The removal of Tatars from their motherland was inhumane and lawless. Today, Crimean Tatars constitute approximately 12% of the population of Crimea.
@Sarge
You fail to recognise that referendums are only allowed to be meaningful in the West and even then only if the correct outcome is achieved.:)) I well imagine that if the Crimean referendum had returned a majority wishing to stay under the control of Kiev, the West would have applauded the success of the democratic process. Over 83% turnout, and over 96% voted to join the Russian Federation.
For anyone questioning the legitimacy of the referendum, the linked article is interesting.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/what-the-western-media-wont-tell-you-crimean-tatars-and-ukrainians-also-voted-to-join-russia/5373989
It seems clear that law-breaking entities will continue to break the law
It also seems clear that the smaller ones like Britain and Israel will perform ever more egregious acts to appear “bigger” in the eyes of the biggest bully in the playground – the United States of America.
Yes, the British government, longs for yesteryear and the empire, however, its now just a small force in the world desperately trying to project itself. If Britain (Westminster) were a person, it would almost certainly suffer from Small Man Syndrome.
It negates part of this, by frantically hanging onto the coattails of the Great Satan. As for Israel, the oppressive apartheid state, it doesn’t need to project real power, even though it possess nukes and nuclear subs, the oppressive state is protected by the Great Satan, which allows it to commit atrocities, but suffer no real consequences.
Alas many countries covet Israel, in order to gain the favour of its guardian the Great Satan.
Grouse Beater,
There is no comparison.
The indigenous people of Crimea voted to secede. Russian troops on the ground around this time were there under a binding treaty arrangement and were not “invaders”.
The indigenous people of Diego Garcia were ethnically cleansed from the land.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia
Diego García is an atoll just south of the equator in the central Indian Ocean, and the largest of 60 small islands comprising the Chagos Archipelago. It was settled by the French in the 1790s and was transferred to British rule after the Napoleonic Wars. It was one of the “Dependencies” of the British Colony of Mauritius until it was detached for inclusion in the newly created British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT) in 1965.
Between 1968 and 1973, the population was forcibly removed by the United Kingdom and the United States to establish an American base through intimidation of locals and denying the return of any who left the island.[3] Many were deported to Mauritius and the Seychelles, following which the United States built a large naval and military base, which has been in continuous operation since then.[3] As of August 2018, Diego Garcia is the only inhabited island of the BIOT; the population is composed of military personnel and supporting contractors. It is one of two critical US bomber bases in the Asia Pacific region, along with Andersen Air Force Base, Guam, Pacific Ocean.[4]
The atoll is located 3,535 km (2,197 mi) east of Tanzania’s coast, 1,796 km (1,116 mi) south-southwest of the southern tip of India (at Kanyakumari) and 4,723 km (2,935 mi) west-northwest of the west coast of Australia (at Cape Range National Park, Western Australia). Diego Garcia lies at the southernmost tip of the Chagos-Laccadive Ridge, a vast underwater mountain range,[5] top of coral reefs, atolls, and islands comprising Lakshadweep, The Maldives, and the Chagos Archipelago. Local time is UTC+6 year-round (DST is not observed).[6]
On 23 June 2017, the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) voted in favour of referring the territorial dispute between Mauritius and the UK to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in order to clarify the legal status of the Chagos Islands archipelago in the Indian Ocean. The motion was approved by a majority vote with 94 voting for and 15 against.[7][8]
In February 2019, the International Court of Justice in The Hague ruled that the United Kingdom must transfer the islands to Mauritius as they were not legally separated from the latter in 1965. The ruling is not legally binding.[9]
Think this kind of lawlessness cannot continue without repercussions.
Crimean Tartars used to comprise 35% of Crimea and were the largest ethnic group in the country, that was before they were ethnically cleansed by the Russians.
Isn’t that because they had thrown in their lot with the Fascists (the Germans)? People had to make some hard choices at that time.
That was Stalin’s excuse. A lot of Soviet POWs chose to fight on the German side, because the alternative was forced labour and death from starvation and exhaustion. Anyway, Stalin’s persecution of Crimean Tatars began well before WW2.
http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/05/19/deportation-genocide-and-russias-war-against-crimean-tatars/
Oh, come on, Alex Westlake! What a piece of ukrainian propaganda!
Tatyana, did you see that I messaged you with a Word document?
@John Goss
I haven’t seen your message, thank you! Now I’ll read and share.
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John, now I am a rare visitor to my social pages, because I began working in my studio, and only mobile internet available there. So, it is better to contact me by e-mail, I receive notifications on new letters on my smartphone.
If memory serves Craig did not support the Russian annexation of Crimea.
Correct. He condemned it as illegal, as did the vast majority at the UN.
The sheer hypocrisy of the Great Satan is now laid bare for all to see. As Trump laughs and cajoles, with the brutal dictator Kim Jong Un in Hanoi Vietnam. Whilst vehemently condeming the democratically elected president of Venezula, as a tyrant, and orchestrating a coup against him.
We can clearly see the Great Satan doing what it does best. There was a time when the US, embraced Saddam and Gaddafi, when they were useful to them even though both were dictators. To later overthrow them and sanction their deaths.
Who does Fatboy Kim support re Venezuela?
It won’t be long I’m sure until the Great Satan’s most loyal lackey Britain follows Trumps lead and invites Kim Jing Un to visit, dinner at Chequers with the PM and so forth.
Thatcher wined and dined the dictator Pinochet.
And the lesson is – if you want to stand up to the world bully get nuclearised!
If Trump is doing all this, why is he getting such a bad press?
Unlike a stopped clock which gives the right time twice in a day, Trump’s erratic behaviour means that he may give the right time more than twice a day. So when it suits the rest of his feeble critics, they applaud him as in Syria, Venezuela and North Korea, but continue to attack him. They also fail to counteract his assinine behaviour towards Iran, Russia and China where their national interests are clearly not being supported by his actions. Those spineless weaklings of the EU and Britain are equally to blame for the state we are now all in.
Craig- two splendid blogs to brighten my day. First, your one on the ICJ’s Chagos ruling; and then today’s MediaLens one on
‘We Don’t Do Propaganda’ (“..millionaires funded by billionaires”) see http://www.medialens.org
thanks for that link Iain, Bergman surely rattled Carlson and it seemed to have reverberated for some time in him.
Excellent piece. Perhaps some of the resident believers in BBC impartiality could have a stab at explaining why the Beeb has never mentioned Trump or Bolton’s open admissions about the true US interest in Venezuela. It would be interesting to hear their explanations given the steadfast refusal of Orla Guerin and co to provide one.
I’d imagine the BBC is supporting regime change in Venezuela. This is the most obvious conclusion, isn’t it.
The BBC gives the impression of being anti-Trump, though this seems restricted to criticism of his anti-political correctness stance and associated matters. Minor issues in the grand scheme of things.
My conclusion therefore is that regime change in Venezuela is a bipartisan issue in the US, and more generally in Western msm.
Russia, China, Iran, Turkey, Cuba, Mexico, Uruguay seem to be supporting the status quo.
Russia and China have huge investments in Venezuela which they’ll lose should Maduro fall. Cuba and Uruguay have economic and moral relations which would be lost. Mexico just don’t want no more grief in the region. Iran and Turkey are in solidarity because they fear regime change against themselves.
The West seems to want to plunder the oil. There’s some talk about a lighter sweet oil on the borders with Guyana.
Herbie, have a read of the media lens article. That’s the point it makes. Both Trump and Bolton have publicly stated it’s about the oil but this has been consistently left out of the BBC narrative.
The only caveat is that the anti-war argument against the Iraq war was that it was for oil. That was all you were allowed to argue in msm if you were against that war.
The thing is, we now know that it wasn’t about oil, or at least not primarily about oil.
Sure, there was oil theft by the terrorists and others, but the main fallout from that war was the re-ordering of the ME, and an increase in Iran’s presence west of its borders.
This one is all about oil – explicitly and on record from the horses’ mouths. But oil is never mentioned as a motive in the BBC’s telling. Only America’s quest for democracy and human rights.
I would appreciate other readers’ comments on Linda’s comment, here:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/02/has-the-elites-slavish-pro-israel-agenda-finally-gone-too-far/comment-page-3/#comment-835105
Please post them as replies to my parent comment:
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/02/has-the-elites-slavish-pro-israel-agenda-finally-gone-too-far/comment-page-3/#comment-834779
and certainly not on this thread.
Clark
I can’t see Linda’s comment, it may have been deleted. I have tried to answer your post.
SA
I looked yesterday and it was still there. Must have, rightly, been deleted now.
Among other things this begs the question – Why is there a dissenting U.S. judge? i.e. Why is there a U.S. judge AT ALL?
It’s an international court.
Is Santander about to collapse?
* Profits are plummeting.
* Scores of branches are to be closed.
* The company has been fined and hit with “regulatory costs” of a total of £91m, for sharp practices involving the accounts of deceased customers and other dodgy work relating to credit cards.
* Bloomberg reports that “Santander is under pressure over its capital levels”.
* Some customers are receiving unexpected letters telling them that accounts they haven’t used for a while will be treated as dormant from shortly before Brexit day – and some are reporting that they cannot get through to the company on the phone.
Meanwhile CEO Nathan Bostock trousered £6.4m last year.
Is Nathan B related to Charles B of this ilk?
No food or supplies in truck burnt out by Guaido supporters, that was suposed to be carrying aid to Venezuela.
“Addressing the UN Security Council, Venezuelan Foreign Minister Jorge Arreaza said trucks supposedly carrying humanitarian supplies to Venezuela were loaded with nails and barbed wire, showing photos of seized cargo.”
https://www.rt.com/news/452507-venezuela-aid-nails-wires/
RT, report that US troops allegedly looted the graves of dead British soldiers in Afghanistan, at the Maiwand Massacre site, allegedy selling the looted trinkets to a collecter in the US.
That article in RT suggests that Marco Rubio is a US administration official, which he isn’t. But in any case he is a senior senator and he has issued a very clear murder threat against the Venezuelan leadership and I hope Venezuela tables a Security Council motion ordering the US administration to declare it will neither attack Venezuela nor condone any threats of violence or terror against that country or its government.
If the US government were to threaten to turn Venezuela into another Libya unless the government hands over power to another government, that action would certainly be unlawful, a breach of the UN Charter. The Charter requires that all UN member states “shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state” (emphasis added), unless their action is sanctioned by the Security Council or it is in self-defence, neither of which conditions apply.
Michael Cohen’s testimony really sticking it to Trump, Cohen calls Trump, racist, conman and cheat.
Cohen is still give evidence to the US Congress.
The allegations against Trump can be found here.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/27/donald-trump-jr-stormy-daniels-payment-michael-cohen-testimony-hearing-latest
RoS, can I ask you two things? 1) Do you think The Guardian is objective?” and 2) “What do you think about the Manafort Report?”
On the Guardian no not really, however I was listening to Cohen give his testimony on the radio and the Guardian link provided the accusations that Cohen aimed at Trump. Other than the convenience of that. I think the Guardians reputaton is tainted somewhat.
As for Manafort, I know Mueller has him on tax evasion and bank fraud. Not quite sure whether the Russian links allegation are true or not. However I’d say Trump’s relationship with the FBI is a difficult one at best.
Again I’m not sure whether Mueller’s modus operandi, with regards to the Trump accusations is a tendenious one or not.
Appreciated RoS.I was referring to a particular fabricated article: https://theantimedia.com/wikileaks-bets-guardian-assange-manafort/
Sure Craig is aware of this one…?
Freddy
I know you are trying to catch ROS out but this is a bit of a straw man here. Of course everyone who visits this blog knows of the confabulations of Luke of the Guardian but that does not mean that the entire content of the Guardian is biased or wrong. Like a lot of news outlets the Guardian has its strengths and weakness although I am inclined to agree with you that thier reporting concerning Trump and in particular Russiagate is at least skewed if not overtly biased.
SA, I wasn’t trying to “catch RoS out” (I always appreciate what he has to say, even if I don’t agree, he comes across as a very nice person). There’s no strawman, as far as I can see – apart from the one you raise in your “rebuttal”. Neither of us were talking about The G’s reporting on Russia (which you agree is biased via LH, among others), we’re talking about its reporting on Trump. Could it be as biased? It’s evident it’s wiling to make up stuff on this subject.
But because of your own bias, The G is “hit or miss”
You need to rethink/reshape your attitude to Media, imo
US politics seems to resemble something more akin to a Mob hit operation than a battle of ideas.
Both sides.
You’ve H Clinton celebrating the hit on Gadaffi and the slaughter of ordinary Libyan people. Then you’ve Rubio tweeting death threats against Maduro.
It’s hard to understand how a country with a constitution like the USA could descend into such gangsterism.
Please look at the history and realities rather than the constitution.
I’m looking at both and comparing the reality with the ideal.
But still, how did the US get so corrupt?
IF the islands are being used as a USA air force base and the USA doesn’t abide by international law, why is a judge fom the USA part of the court and judgment?
Theresa May sacks ministerial aide Alberto Costa for trying to force the Government to protect EU citizens in Britain after Brexit
https://pressfrom.info/uk/news/uk-news/-319937-theresa-may-sacks-ministerial-aide-alberto-costa-for-trying-to-force-the-government-to-protect-eu-citizens-in-britain-after-brexit-but-nobody-told-sajid-javid-who-backed-the-plan.html
The tories are always the same. They do not want to be told what to do by others but they do want to tell others what to do. Hence we see that they do not want independence for Scotland; but they do want independence from Europe; they don’t want the EU to dictate to them but they are happy for be dictated to by the WTO!
Fascist authoritarians are always the same. They are right and anyone who disagrees is obviously wrong.
Bert.
The decision for Scotland to remain in the UK and for the UK to leave the EU were both the consequence of referenda. The WTO cannot “dictate” in the manner that the EU can. It merely sets out the terms for international trading, as a greed by all members. The EU is a member of the WTO. That does not mean that the WTO “dictates” to the EU.
It seems that the UK has still not agreed its WTO schedule with the WTO. Plenty of time left to sort it out though. It’s not as if businesses abroad will need to know what tariff is going to be imposed on their goods and services on 30th March 2019.
“Britain still faces unresolved issues when it comes to access for its goods and services markets after its withdrawal from the EU scheduled for March 29.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6752541/UK-strikes-deal-WTO-stay-market-government-contracts.html
I don’t agree. As I understand it, when the US banks wanted to sell their dodgy derivatives across the world, most of the world’s banks could not deal in them because local law prohibited it. So the Wall Street banksters went to the US government and the US government put pressure on the WTO to make free trade in derivates an expectation of all member countries. Under the Labour government of Tony Bliar the banks went through a third trench of deregulation so that UK banks could deal in these derivatives.
The rest – as they say – is history.
Bert.
Blimey Labour lose yet another M.P.
it is almost as if this is ochestrated.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47393626
Labour MP suspended in anti-Semitism row
If the Labour party can’t stand up to fascism – in this case in the specific form of Z__nism – you have to wonder whether the party shouldn’t dissolve. Fascists clearly have a great deal of influence over many figures in the party’s leadership.
I sympathise with Chris Williamson but he should have shown the backbone that Liberal Democrat peer Jenny Tonge showed when the fascist Lobby told party leader Menzies Campbell to order her to apologise to fascist interests or get the sack and she directly refused to apologise. That was a very rare example of a British politician refusing to back down on an issue of principle.
Fascists of the said stripe have not just been targeting non-submissive Labour leaders with lies; they have been physically harassing some of them, such as Len McCluskey. The Labour party’s position had Franco’s Falangists, or South African white supremacists, attempted the same thing would have been clear and principled.
Also the media’s condemnation when reporting the Williamson story of Gilad Atzmon as an “antisemite” is utterly vile, when he is nothing of the kind. The truth is that fascists of the said stripe hate Atzmon – and I mean hate; they would celebrate if he died – because they view him as a “race traitor”.
Jenny Tonge’s history in the Lib Dems is illustrative of the change in British politics.
So, at one stage her position on Palestine was perfectly acceptable, even on the BBC. Remember, the BBC changed as well. Everything seemed to change.
Then slowly but surely the smears against her increased. You’ll remember at this time there were increasing smears against BBC journalists, especially those covering Israel.
That point represents a more general change in world affairs, particularly the breakdown of the stability afforded by the Cold War and the Soviet Union.
Williamson has said that attacks on Corbyn’s handling of alleged antisemitism within the Labour Party were “proxy wars and bullshit”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Williamson_(politician)#Comments_on_alleged_antisemitism_within_Labour
So you can be thrown out of the Labour party, even if you have spent your adult life fighting racisim, even if you fully support J.C.
just by the actions of the jewish lobby in the Labour Party including Fat Tom & the mayor of London.
https://dorseteye.com/who-is-funding-tom-watson/?fbclid=IwAR3zKkMJOEnUG9shjdvAqXMvLnKD1FakTE-DCGzq4rqbLVbfo8Syj1ljFlM
A friend shared this today.
Mind-boggling really.
@Michael – Clearly yes you can, and the question is what are anti-fascists going to do about it? If those who are in the Labour party cannot defend the party against fascism they might as well leave and set up a party that they can at least try to use as a vehicle for the truth and that they can at least try to defend.
Remember the slogan: They Shall Not Pass.
“the question is what are anti-fascists going to do about it?”
Not a lot, it seems.
The fascists are better organised, better funded, have more media access, are more clued-in about how things work, where the choke-points are etc.
And the Left is ridden with con-men and women on the take.
Even mild Conservatives are swamped by it all.
Yes, Michael, it just lurches closer to the point where I fear Watson and his troops will appoint thought police.
Watson personally is a disgrace to his office. Deputy Leader yet he intervenes declaring what the penalty should be even before an investigation has even started, far less concluded. He undermines the General Secretary, Jennie Formby, in the process.
He’s announced that he will personally monitor every complaint about anti-Semitism in the Labour Party to ensure they progress to his satisfaction. So again, he’s undermining Formby who, only a couple of weeks ago, published data showing that the investigation process was fully operational. Not good enough for Watson. He’s now going to be on her shoulder.
He’s also announced he’s setting up a new group within the PLP. Yes, another one!
Watson talks about the “Party I love”. Yet he’s seeking to destroy it at every turn. He’s lying through his teeth. He’s working to an agenda that’s as bent as a nine bob note.
Williamson spoke in terms that were unwise, in my view, but I don’t think they were anti-Semitic. I think he was finding the general message being spun about anti-Semitism in his Party absolutely infuriating. I think he was saying the scale of the problem was being grossly exaggerated…he just didn’t say it very well. As the hysteria built today I was watching Politics Live where Jo Coburn was practically flaying Labour’s Tony Lloyd into agreeing with Watson. Lloyd stood his ground. Coburn’s manner was appalling. Then Kuennsberg claimed Lloyd was probably in agreement with Watson but just didn’t want to say so! Unbelievable!
@ Jo1 February 27, 2019 at 22:19
I certainly agree with Chris Williamson. Notice in this Guardian article https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/27/labour-suspends-chris-williamson-over-antisemitism-remarks (and I’m pretty sure the same attitude will be reflected across the MSM), they start of with ‘Labour has suspended the MP Chris Williamson after he was filmed saying the party had been “too apologetic” about antisemitism….’, but he hadn’t said that, and later on in the article they give his actual words, ‘.. Labour had been “too apologetic” about complaints of antisemitism…’
Now there is a mile of difference in those two statements, and we can be sure the presstitutes at the Guardian were fully aware of the difference, and deliberately tried to show his statement in a bad light, by misquoting him.
There are certainly many commenters on this blog, probably most, who would heartily agree that parts of the Labour Party have been over-apologetic about the ‘complaints’ (smears and outright lies) levelled against the party in general, and Corbyn and others in particular.
Compare the artificially generated ‘anti-Semitism’ tsunami in the MSM, with their ignoring of the al Jazeera ‘Lobby’ videos showing Shai Masot working out of the Israeli Embassy, obviously on ‘official business’ (£1m slush fund doesn’t come from thin air) to interfere big time with British political life.
Has any CFoI or LFoI complained or spoken out about the Israeli’s activities?
I have just endured Politics Live, with Margaret Hodge present, and the insufferable Andrew Neil in the chair. Neil interviwed Labour’s Andy McDonald by video link, and treated him like dirt throughout, on the subject of Williamson. Hodge sat by playing the victim. It was appalling.
Hodge then got her own platform to deliver her own bile-filled attack on her own Party. The posh voice was on today so no swearing like in the chamber the day she launched her verbal assault on her Party Leader.
Meanwhile, Labour MP Chris Williamson bites the dust. Jezza probably would have walked by on the other side of the road (again) but sly and slimy Seumas Milne must have twisted his arm this time.
Labour have one more available M.P. now, the woman who was sent to prison for lying about who was driving her speeding car, was released after four weeks, early for good behaviour.
I wonder how you feel about Netanyahu extending the hand of friendship to Putin (Whose accepted) to come to Israel to unveil a monument to those who died in Leningrad during WWII?
Afterall you do loathe Putin an oppressive dictator, for some, still he’s visiting an oppressive apartheid state, so I’d imagine they’ll get on like a house on fire. Will you help line the streets of Jerusalem? And will you be vigioursly waving your Russian flag?
https://www.rt.com/news/452593-putin-jerusalem-leningrad-siege/
I don’t recall Charles being particularly fond of Putin. Most commenters here are, however, very definitely, vehemently (obsessively) anti-Israel. How do they balance that with Bibi being very bestest buddies with Vlad (whom they adore)?
Yes but if Charles isn’t a hypocrite, he should come on and criticise Netanyahu for entertaining nasty old Putin. Afterall in Charles eyes Putin is the epitome of evil.
Anyway Anon1, you also loathe Putin and you’re a Netanyahu brown nose, so surely you must be utterly disgusted with Netanyahu hosting vile old Putin?
Or are you like Charles full of it.
What is the relationship between Israel and Russia, Anon1.
Do you know?
Shouldn’t you be asking Republicofscotland, after all, he raised it (cf 19:17 above)? As a diversioin from what I said about Wilkinson/Jezza/Seumas, admittedly).
@ Anon1 February 27, 2019 at 19:49
‘…Most commenters here are, however, very definitely, vehemently (obsessively) anti-Israel…’
I would say ‘obsessively’ is subjective, but many commenters fit the bill on the other charges.
And not without good cause, I would add.
Or are you OK with their treatment of the Palestinians? Because that is the major reason people here or elsewhere attack Israel. It is not because the people are anti-Semitic, but because of the Israeli regime and ‘IDF’s abominable treatment of the Indigenous peoples of this commandeered land.
It is highly likely that their callous, brutal behaviour will increase anti-Semitism, as not everyone will make the distinction between Judaism and the vicious abominational form of Zionism that seems to dominate Israeli society, and certainly leadership.
Williamson has been suspended.
Watson leading the charge on alleged anti – semitism smacks of the bland leading the bland.
If you thing the main thing on the minds of the Paper TIGers is anti semitism then you and the MSM are deliberately on the wrong track.
You and the media can’t have it both ways if Watson is not allowed to supervise then neither is Corbyn.
That job lies with Jenny Formby and elected members of the NEC.
If the Board of Deputies and AN Other want to preside over or alter the Labour Party Rules then they should join the Labour Party go to Constituency meetings and get delegated to the Labour Conference in order to alter the policy.
I am thinking of asking the Board of Deputies and the Conservative party to alter their ways visa vis their attitude to the Labour Party but I don’t think they will endorse me because I voted Labour last time and canvassed against austerity on many occasions.
I think that’s unfair and will be asking JoCo and Laura to back me in my efforts.
Oh and of course Boris ( letterbox ) Johnson et al.
If I were Corbyn many of these critics would be in Court.
Funnily enough two people have been in Court for anti -semitism – both you will note are Neo- Nazis not Labour Party members.
No -one to date has taken any Labour Party member to Court for Hate Crimes.
I wonder why that is?
Burden of proof maybe?
How about Cohen’s explosive testimony today?
Fallout?
I watched “Pointless” rather than “Would I lie to you?” a.k.a the Cohen testimony, live on all channels.
BBC news then tried to breathlessly tell me something, about Cohen, but I made a cup of Lady Grey tea instead. Julian Assange was mentioned briefly in Congress, do they all know who he is?
but back to your Q., fallout depends on how partial or complete the storytellers wish to be . . . over to the MSM, see if they can entertain me better than ‘Xander and shorty.
Meanwhile ‘US President Donald Trump and North Korea’s leader Kim Jong-un have begun their high-profile second summit in Vietnam’s capital, Hanoi.’
He’s not bovvered.
and WikiLeaks tweeted:
STATEMENT on Michael Cohen testimony to Congress: WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange has never had a telephone call with Roger Stone. WikiLeaks publicly teased its pending publications on Hillary Clinton and published > 30k of her emails on 16 March 2016. wikileaks.org/clinto…
2 hours ago
SE
I just tune out. What a farce it all is. Who knows who the liars are these days and what credibility does Cohen even have being a proven liar himself?
Exactly.
The gods have created a drama for us all, and we cheer our favourites and boo the rest.
Ohhhhh, not I, Herbie. No favourites here in US politics. Can’t stand any of them.
That’s the only honourable position.
Most people just seem to play along with their game.
DailyCaller are doing some forensic listening to the Congressional session.
https://www.dailycaller.com/2019/02/27/tucker-carlson-michael-cohen-trump/
Does Congress know where “Praha” is?