Free the Truth – A Short Speech 262

This is the speech I came down to London to give.

I have had a fascinating few days catching up on many people. It is an interesting fact that one of the suite of rooms where the great ones gather for their sparkling wine and snacks before and after the Cenotaph ceremony on Remembrance Sunday is literally my old office, from when I was Deputy Head of the Africa Department of the FCO. It has always interested me that the grand people of British society, particularly those born to it, overlook the “little people” and forget they have agency. People like Boris Johnson do not see janitors, cleaners, cooks, drivers and waiting staff as anything but cyphers. They however see him, and I can tell you with certainty that the reason he messed up the Cenotaph ceremony, starting backwards and forward at the wrong time, laying the wreath upside down and generally stumbling around looking like an unmade bed, is that he was drunk. You could smell it off him. He arrived in that condition.

I am working on a longer and more thoughtful piece about the morality of the use of force. I hope to post that tomorrow. Am on the train back to Edinburgh.

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  • SA

    Happy St Andrew’s day tomorrow for our compatriots in Scotland.
    I just caught a glimpse of the Andrew Marr Show, don’t really watch it myself, and a journalist was saying something like this: The electorate in the North don’t like Johnson, don’t like the conservative policies, and really like Labour policies but cannot bring themselves to vote labour because of Jeremy Corbyn.
    This is so laughable and superficial. So nobody really asked these electorate why they don’t like him, despite the fact that he has shown integrity and he has been the main instigator of these policies so much liked. Doesn’t add up.

    • Vivian O'Blivion

      Marr allowed Johnson to state that Jeremy Corbyn “wants to abolish MI5” on several occasions without challenge. Needless to say, it’s pish. Waiting for the BBC, Fact checking service to correct, but I widnae haud ma breath.

      • N_

        They mean that taxing the super-rich more so as to provide more socialised support for everybody else is tantamount to letting men with long beards and foreign backgrounds knife people and blow them up. The scary thing is that this association can’t exactly be getting laughed out of the room every time they suggest it in a focus group.

        • N_

          This is a very powerful ad by the Tory party, published two hours ago, asking “Should convicted terrorists serve their full sentences?” and showing pictures of Boris Johnson (“Dangerous terrorists should serve their full sentence”) and Jeremy Corbyn (“Not necessarily”). The quote from Corbyn is cited to his appearance on some TV show today called “Sophie Ridge on Sunday”; the one from Johnson, to the Heil, also today. Never mind that the state which has been under Tory administration since 2010 allowed Usman Khan out of prison and, while on licence, to go to London for this event. The Tories are saying it’s all Labour’s fault. They’re saying Labour are soft on terrorism and have held up the proper workings of government by being difficult about Brexit. Labour need to lands some blows very fast (preferably starting within a few hours) or this could lose them the election. Really terrible optics.

          I won’t be surprised if Donald Trump when he’s in London tomorrow sings to the same songsheet, interfering in Britain’s internal affairs by encouraging people to vote Tory because Labour don’t want to be tough on terrorism. And if he says oh yes and by the way thanks for agreeing to selling off the NHS, that might make page 17 unless Labour know what they’re doing. Whatever happens, they need a big one.

          • michael norton

            David Gauke
            was Justice Secretary at the time of the very peculiar choice to let Usman khan out early.
            He is no longer in the Tory party, so will probably be taking the disapprobation.

          • Borncynical

            Michael (at 13.54)

            If Boris Johnson is to be believed there was no ‘choice’ …”convicted terrorists are automatically released on licence half way through their sentence”; he very much placed the emphasis on “automatically”. So he appears to be saying that for terrorists this is not an arbitrary decision based on risk assessment, unlike of course the incarceration of a truth speaker who has no entitlement to early release. Likewise the convicted murderer who helped apprehend Usman Khan was out of prison half way through his sentence. It is obvious that Johnson is trying to hold Labour accountable for the events at Fishmongers Hall based on legislation introduced under their watch many years ago.

            But let me get this straight: convicted killers have more rights than non-risk prisoners? How on earth does this work or is Johnson lying yet again?

          • Borncynical

            Further to my post at 16.42, Lord Falconer has explained that under his original judicial sentence Khan would have had to go before the Parole Board half way through his jail term for their assessment as to whether he could be safely released. It was, however, as a direct consequence of a Court of Appeal ruling that the need for Parole Board consideration was removed from the revised judicial sentence. So once again Johnson was talking through his….

          • Stephen Rhodes

            The court of justice ruling was that indeterminate sentences were a contravention of the prisoner’s human rights IF the imprisoning government did not provide the prisoner with the means to become safe to be released.
            Faced with the prospect of either having to employ sufficient trained staff to ensure that the prisoner had the opportunity to reform, or to simply let them out as if they were prisoners with a non-indeterminate fixed term sentence, Gove decided it would be cheaper to just let them out.

            So, it is the fault of the penny-wise pound foolish Austerity Tory Government and their lying apologists.

          • Ma Laoshi

            Labour won’t go in for the kill concerning the Tories’ wholehearted support of terrorism in Libya and Syria, because they’re pussyfooting around the issue of the Zionist cancer. While the Tories have been busy inserting their own people at key nodes with the BBC etc, Jeremy Corbyn was expelling his natural and willing allies from Labour, lest any Jew take offense. Remind me again: if somebody behaves like a born loser, what is the most logical explanation for this?

          • Ross

            This is the poison of social media advertising. You get sound bites, stripped of context, and micro targeted at unsophisticated voters, who lack both the will, and the wherewithal, to scrutinize them.

      • SA

        Thanks Brian
        Reminds me of St Andrews nights I enjoyed when working in West Africa. Small but active Scottish community and the night was complete with pipers piping the haggis.

      • SA

        OK the pedants win. I made a mistake. Mea Culpa.
        To explain my heinous error, I looked at the cullender on my computer and it said, Monday St Andrews day public holiday in Scotland. But what I did not realise is that this was an extra bank holiday as is the custom when a bank holiday falls on a weekend day. I am sorry if I upset sensitive souls who obviously feel that there is a deep seated conspiracy on my part to shift St Andrew’s day to another date obviously for sinister reasons. I hereby withdraw my wishes of a happy St Andrew’s day on the wrong day.

  • Dungroanin

    Has the BBC shown the real footage of the cenetophe? Maybe Marr should start with it.
    Has any channel? I don’t do TV.

    Feeling as groggy as Bobo this morn not from booze though – anyone else in Greater London (east north) get the 4 am wake up bang and house rattle from sonic boom of 2 imterceptor fighters launched from Conningsby?

    Apparently commercial a/c had temporarily lost comms! Was the Mets statement so went back to sleep at 5.30…

    Lol – really nowt to do with potus visit or keeping us all on edge.

        • Jerry

          Godophin, I saw 5 Apache helicopters, with domes above their blades (radar systems), fly overhead during the summer (Greater London, Kent, area), shortly after Assange was kicked out of the embassy.

          • Jerry

            Correction: not summer, but not long after Assange was kicked out of the embassy. Another three flew over during the summer/autumn.

    • N_

      It was an Israeli plane that “lost communications”. The pilot, Steven Giordano, is a founding partner ofJet Test, the company that was moving it. He is also a program manager at Humanitarian Airlift (HLP), a “non-profit organisation” that provides “free” or “at-cost” airlift relief services to “crisis areas worldwide”. Founded after Hurricane Maria in 2017, HLP has airlifted and distributed over 100 tonnes of cargo, airlifted medical teams, and evacuated hundreds of civilians out of remote areas. Reader, how well do we think “humanitarianism” goes with “Israel”? I wonder what Mr Giordano knows about the illegal transport of prisoners of war, or the organ trade?

  • Kevin Gray

    There was also a very mysterious delay of some minutes during the Cenotaph ceremony immediately before Johnson emerged from the Foreign Office leading the other politicians and dignitaries as the PM is always required to do. Given the very precise timing of these events this was all rather strange and clearly quite unexpected. Indeed over the many years that I have watched it I can’t recall any similar occurrence taking place during the Cenotaph ceremony.
    No reason was given as the TV cameras played on an empty doorway for what seemed like an age. David Dimbleby who after many years of commentating on the ceremony is an expert on its protocols and timings seemed to be at a loss as to why Johnson had not appeared and he remained embarrassingly silent.
    There could of course be many quite innocent reasons for the unscheduled delay but having seen Johnson’s performance myself your explanation has cleared up that little mystery for me.

      • N_

        Boris Johnson probably threw up on his coat and then after a lackey came and dressed him with a new one they suddenly noticed there was vomit on his shoes. That’s how he respects the war dead.

        Meanwhile it seems like every year that the Tories complain that the Labour leader is sticking two fingers up at the royal family and the memory of Enoch Powell country because he hasn’t marched with his arms at the regulation angle or bowed his head in exactly the right monarchist way.

  • S

    The Mail today is leading with Prince Andrew’s new Apple Watch. As CJ in the DM comments section said, “This is all very important to know but the timing is a deliberate distraction.” Cue 500 downvotes.

  • Jen

    Boris Johnson, drunk? Sounds like he is turning into his previous incarnation, Winston Churchill, if he hasn’t already.

    BTW his novel “72 Virgins” is being republished in abridged form on Twitter, for anyone with the time to read it.

    Or if you don’t have the time, here’s a review:

    A racist, misogynist, homophobic British PM … wooah, it’s forward into the past for Britain!

      • N_

        I wish I hadn’t read these comments about “72 Virgins”, because now I’m having to download Boris Johnson’s documentary “The Dream of Rome”, based on his book of the same name, about the Roman Empire…and the EU. Apparently he calls for Turkey to be admitted to EU membership. I wonder whether he’s an anti-Catholic bigot as his pal Michael Gove is, and as Jacob Rees-Mogg isn’t, but it’s Gove that Johnson has been known to go out on the p*ss with.

        Johnson says he “thinks about religion a lot”. (That article also shows him holding up a brick with three holes in it at the Tory party conference – an excellent example of the competent choice and use of a prop. Seumas Milne, please take note. Similarly everyone recalls the narwhal tusk from the recent terror attack in London. Jeremy Corbyn could use a picture of the “elephant graph” to illustrate the looting of the world by billionaires. It surely can’t be too difficult for the great minds leading the Labour campaign to come up with a good prop to represent free university education and the abolition of tuition fees?)

  • Magic Robot

    Brave words to say in these troubled times; I listened carefully to all you spoke Mr. Murray – an admirable speech, concise and coherent – unlike most of the ‘talk’ in the ‘House of Nonsense’ as my old grandad called the H of P. If that was tolerated in a company boardroom, most of the shareholders would have thrown the towel in.
    I then read Mr. Pilger’s account of his visit to Julian in Belmarsh – what an awful, forbidding place it is.
    I am confirmed now in my belief that the prediction by Alfred Noyes, in his book ‘The Edge of the Abyss’ (pub. 1942) has come true: he wrote in the introduction ‘It would be a tragedy if the very thing we are presently fighting against, is being foisted on us under another name’. He was dead right.

  • Republicofscotland

    The UK state puppets go on about human rights and prisoner welfare in the likes of China and Iran, yet 60 doctors have gotten together to write a letter to the Westminster government over serious concerns that illegally imprisoned Julian Assange might die in Belmarsh prison.

    Assange whose already served his sentence is being held unjustly. Unfortunately the letter was for the attention of the Home secretary the not so Priti Patel, the usual guff was issued by the Westminster governments spokesperson that, any allegations of ill-treatment of Assange are false.

    • Michael

      I always consider the snatching of Julian Assange from the Ecuadorean Embassy not an arrest but a special rendition, done this time by the UK but as always for the benefit of the US, a criminal regime and utterly lawless.

      • Republicofscotland

        The Ecuadorian president Lenin Moreno sold Assange out for a huge loan from the IMF/World bank controlled by the USA.

        That’s why the British state actors and police were allowed to enter the Ecuadorian embassy in London and snatch him.

        • pretzelattack

          ecuador was out of control for awhile, now it’s a faithful empire stooge again, they are in the process of getting bolivia sorted out, still having trouble with venezuela though. i don’t think this is going to work too much longer, even in the u.s. backyard. too many people see through it, and the russians and chinese don’t have to toe any lines. that’s the optimist in me talking, though; in the short term it looks dark.

  • jmg

    Craig’s remarkable, brutally honest speech appears as well in:

    ‘Psychologically Tortured’ Assange Victim of British ‘Rogue State’, London Conference Hears – Consortium News — November 30, 2019

    together with other great to-the-point speeches at the same London conference, by United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture Nils Melzer, former Ecuadorian diplomat Fidel Narvaez, historian and journalist Mark Curtis, clinical psychologist Lissa Johnson, spokesperson for Women Against Rape Lisa Longstaff, journalist and filmmaker John Pilger.

    Written version of John Pilger’s moving speech:

    Visiting Britain’s Political Prisoner — John Pilger — Consortium News — November 29, 2019

  • George McI

    “You should be aat home watching the BBC tell you that Jeremy Corbyn is an anti-Semite and here is Boris Johnson eating a scone.”


    • Brianfujisan

      This Too George –

      “This building is like the British Establishment itself—on the surface it is beautiful, solid and harmonious, but inside it is rotten and corrupt to the core,”

  • sundra

    Has it been established from what prison Khan was released? Was it Belmarsh?

    Or who operated the tag monitoring? Was it outsourced?

    • N_

      @Sundra – Excellent questions, including regarding the tag. I don’t know which prison he was released from. The main prison Learning Together say they operate at seems to be Grendon, which is Cat B, but they also have links at Cat A prisons Whitemoor, Long Lartin and Full Sutton.

      Did you clock the Israeli Ministry of Internal Security’s guy at the Institute of Criminology in Cambridge, who also advises the Cabinet Office’s “nudge unit”?

      What units was Khan being “monitored” and “assisted” by during the 12 months he was out?

    • N_

      It would be so good if some supporters of Scottish independence were to propose that an independent state of Scotland, when it receives its 10% of the British state’s financial assets, will formally apologise to, and will pay reparations to, the parts of the world that were meted out degradation and slavery and slaughter by the British Empire. Many people would say hell yeah, here is Scotland becoming a beacon of truth and setting the pace for ethical foreign policy. This is assuming of course that the money went to projects that reduced poverty and improved standards of living for most people and didn’t go mostly to third world crooks or to make hunting areas for the international super-rich.

        • N_

          @Brian – I didn’t say Scotland, I said an independent state of Scotland. It’s accepted that an independent state of Scotland would get a proportional chunk of the British state’s financial assets. (They’ll probably need it, to shovel to the bankers for bailing them out in the first week – cf. the gold in Hong Kong in 1997 – minus a commission for the Partei. They’ll also need some kind of currency, if only to pay their civil servants. The Rump British central bank might chuck them some sterling, euros, whatever, even a bit of gold if there’s any left, that they can try to use to back some local paper.) Click here for example. But Scotland is currently part of Britain, so it’s obvious. Exact percentage, what counts as an asset, etc., would be negotiable. I’m sure the SNP leaders can say the country is being sooo ripped off as they call their bankers in the Channel Islands etc.

          • Andrew Paul Booth

            I think independent Scotland would best run with the Euro, as the Irish Republic does now.

      • Courtenay Barnett


        The real difficulty is that the Scots, the Irish, the Welsh were all in on the British Empire game plan.

        Not that the racialised system of African slavery did not benefit all and sundry in Europe – it did.

        The difficulty is the pain of having to admit same.

        Maybe the time has finally come?


        • bevin

          Can you explain how it was that the racialised system of slavery benefited the great mass of the rural population in C18th and C19 England?
          The benefits to hand loom weavers, and children mining are well chronicled. As to the dividends the Irish cashed in they are world famous. In the 1840s the population began a precipitate decline that was unrelated to the development of tourism
          The reality was and is that for the great mass of the working class, rural and urban in the United Kingdom slavery was a socio-economic disaster. As was the capitalist system it nourished.
          In a series of articles published between 1902-3 General FD Maurice warned that the British race had deteriorated physically to such an extent that it could no longer produce sufficient soldiers. And that since the Napoleonic wars the physical condition of the average recruit had deteriorated seriously and measurably.
          You, quite properly, conclude that the Empire led to enormous amounts of wealth reaching Britain. But you are wrong in assuming that that wealth was distributed among for example London’s millions of casual labourers and small artisans, the agricultural labourers and the factory labourers and miners.

          • Kempe

            The British textile industry was heavily dependent on cotton from slave worked plantations in the southern states of America. During the American Civil War the Union blockade of Confederate ports, which stopped 90% of these imports, caused great hardship and unemployment in British mill towns until alternative supplies could be sourced from India and Egypt.

            The Triangular Trade saw British manufactured goods, including the products of Scottish foundries and workshops, exported to west Africa and exchanged for slaves which were shipped across the Atlantic to the Caribbean and the southern US. Slave produced goods like cotton and sugar would then be brought back to the UK.

          • pretzelattack

            and were the profits of the british textile industry shared equally among the factory owners and the pre teen kids working on the floor, losing fingers? did the workers threaten a strike if the americans closed down the plantations, or the owners got cotton from another source? who chose that supply chain?

          • SA

            You link to Amazon. Are there no other suppliers of these volumes. Should we be supporting Amazon, their zero hour contract and their tax evasion?

          • joel


            Despite depending on slave grown cotton for their livelihoods, the English cotton mill workers supported Lincoln’s war against the slave owners and the ending of slavery.
            It was their masters, the mill owners, and the British capitalist establishment who supported the slave owners in the Anerican Civil War.

          • Scott

            I use the search aggregator website when looking for new and used books. Refreshingly, I have noticed the independent bookstore Blackwell’s often comes first with regards new books (with free shipping across the EU).

            No inexpensive used copies of the books Rowan mentioned are listed, but an alternative to Amazon at the same new price is offered by the Book Depository.


            Kind regards,

          • N_

            @Scott – Many thanks for the link to My main go-to site is, which is similarly meta (and worldwide, despite the domain name), but Bookfinder looks just as good, and maybe they each pick up sources the other doesn’t. Also sometimes on specific subjects some kind soul has put 100 or more books as pdfs into a torrent file.

          • Courtenay Barnett


            Your argument is puerile; you set up an Aunt Sally only to knock it down:-

            ” The reality was and is that for the great mass of the working class, rural and urban in the United Kingdom slavery was a socio-economic disaster.”

            No my point at all and don’t for a moment put words in my mouth.

            The reality is that if the GNP increases then the entire nation advances. Compare your examples to my ancestors – enslaved people on my African side – indentured servants on my Indian side. What GNP in comparative terms for the labour delivered through those processes to Her Majesty’s Government.

            Bristol – Liverpool etc. and monumental structures and institutions across Britain with compensation – that is my point!

          • Courtenay Barnett


            ” Can you explain how it was that the racialised system of slavery benefited the great mass of the rural population in C18th and C19 England?”

            The broad point is that the GNP grew because of enslaved Africans and the extraction of value from their labour.

            The towns, cities, ports, museums, expanded university colleges – all add up to a benefit which down the line the very poor whites you reference – all benefited from.

            That is point which you simply don’t get.

        • Squeeth

          Power and Plenty: Trade, War, and the World Economy in the Second Millennium (The Princeton Economic History of the Western World) 2009 Findlay and O’Rourke

          At its height the Atlantic slave trade occupied about 30% of the British economy so no, it didn’t benefit everyone.

      • J Galt

        And perhaps Scotland could apologise to itself over the conditions that generations of Scottish working class had to live in – for instance whole families living in rat infested “single ends” in the Gorbals and elsewhere right up to the 1960s with the resultant chronic illness and infant mortality attached. And also we could apologise to ourselves for the appalling working conditions that millions had to endure – in particular the miners, or often forgotten about, our fishers, scores of whom would be lost on a single stormy night.

    • Hatuey

      The establishment has moved on from trying to cover things up and accepts that covering things up in the digital age is basically impossible.

    • pretzelattack

      they’ve settled for just using their propaganda organs like the guardian and the new york times, that still seems to work passably well for their purposes.

  • SA

    Labour in the discussions miss very important open goals:
    1. It was the Tories and in particular the ERG that scuppered May’s deal. It was May who sabotaged herself by calling an unnecessary election. It was Boris who pulled his deal in order to call another election. It is amazing that the Tories are blaming everyone else than themselves for delay in Brexit and the loss of credibility of parliament.
    2. The cause of the crisis in nursing is in part due to May’s policy of cutting nurseries to nurses.
    3. The lie about Labour wrecking the economy when it was due to Ponzi worldwide economy schemes often remains unchallenged.
    These are a few but there are more .

    • Ken Kenn

      All perfectly true.

      Trouble is the one’s who’s assets were bailed by us all when the Magic Money Tree did exist are the well off ones doing the interviewing.

      They are very grateful for the bail and won’t bite the hand that bailed them.

      Technically the one they all call a ‘ Marxist ‘ is set on operating a medium type of Keynesian reform.

      Whereas Castro would have took the lot back as a real Marxist, Corbyn is a democratic Socialist (UK type ) and is only getting some of the bailing money back.

      It’s pretty obvious that all the one’s screaming about Marxists have never met one and never will.

      I know a few self proclaimed Marxists but Castro they are not.

      Ironically Castro started off as a Liberal and it was Che Guevara that educated him in Revolution.

      Rupert Murdoch and Jacob Rees Mogg have never seen one never mind met one.

      They are a rare sight.

      Rare as Farage buying a round I think.

  • sundra

    Craig on twitter days ago

    ”Why is this very large item appearing at the head of my twitter page, as though an advertisement, though not marked as such?
    Who organised that, and crucially when? Who is paying?
    Or is Twitter itself electioneering?”

    Search – Corbyn; Johnson/Boris; Labour; Conservative – and compare and contrast what is being fed out positive v negative on each result. Its staggering. Even the search prompts/suggestions are ridiculously biased.

    ”Or is Twitter itself electioneering?” Can you tweet the 77B guy recently exposed running the middleeast twitter desk and ask who to tweet for the UK desk?

    • Mary

      A. Messrs Dominic Cummings and Isaac Levido, the latter a successor to Sir Linton Crosby/ CTF partners.

      ‘The lobbying firm run by Boris Johnson’s close ally Sir Lynton Crosby has secretly built a network of unbranded “news” pages on Facebook for dozens of clients ranging from the Saudi government to major polluters, a Guardian investigation has found.

      In the most complete account yet of CTF Partners’ outlook and strategy, current and former employees of the campaign consultancy have painted a picture of a business that appears to have professionalised online disinformation, taken on a series of controversial clients and faced incidents of misogynistic bullying in its headquarters.’

  • Manjushri

    BBC sometimes roll out their ‘Reality Check Correspondant’. That me chuckle. Presumably ‘truth’ no longer exists so it’s easier to brainwash the citizens perception of reality. ?

  • Hatuey

    Terrorism, it’s just one of those things, we can’t do anything about it. Same with the environment, poverty, war, Brexit, Assange, Nukes, etc. Sometimes you’ve just got to accept you can’t change things and in doing so accept that you’re pretty much irrelevant.

    If you have any meaning and worth in this world, it’s only measurable in terms of the sort of car you drive, your phone, money, and various other trinkets that are realistically possible.

    The above is the spirit of the age… and it’s the biggest bunch of crap anybody ever tried to sell you in your life.

    If the BBC News was honest, the headlines would go something like this;

    – The gap in the election is closing as more and more people realise that what Labour is offering is 1000 times more meaningful and important than any Brexit proposals on offer.

    – Special report: The British State, bankers, the rich, and establishment as a whole, are really frightened right now at the thought of a Labour government. The real fear is that they’ll need to pay some tax and stop exploiting our people and the system to the max… Brexit is about selling the NHS and the public sector and making a killing, it has nothing to do with Europe per se.

    – In the second of our special reports we look at the impact of Tory rule since 2010. With over 130,000 people dead (at least) as a direct result of “austerity”, would it be accurate to say the last 9 years of Tory rule amounted to a war on ordinary working people. The death toll, 130 thousand, and that’s a conservative estimate, certainly sounds like the sort of numbers you’d associate with a war — indeed, it’s about double the total number of British civilians killed during World War 2.

  • N_

    A guy from the Northeast of England tells it how it really is about both the LBC radio station and Boris Johnson. The Tories may have terribly underestimated the intelligence of people in that region and elsewhere in the English North and Midlands. They basically thought “Those idiots love Brexit but they hate us Tories, so we’ll put up some candidates called ‘Brexit’ with a little arrow by their names and so long as the idiots say ‘Yeah – Brexit – great!’ then we’ll get a majority of 50 or 100 and they won’t even realise that voting ‘Brexit’ is helping us.” Think again, Tory scum! Long live the North and the Midlands! Quite a lot of people don’t give a monkey’s whether Britain leaves the EU or stays in it, so long as we get rid of the Tories and put in a proper Labour government.

  • Brianfujisan

    Education Time.. for the Likes of ‘ N ‘

    In the North is Scotland..Which is a Country / Nation ..Don’t be duped by the MSM

    If you want more Education about how The Tories.. Or Labour.. Don’t want to let Scotland Free.. Just ask.. The answer of course – RESOURCES = £££££.

  • nevermind

    If all rape cases would be pursued by the law with the same diligence that is expended on terrorism, society would be a much more happier place for many women.

    Can we now expect a terror incident at every election called by a sitting Conservative Government?

    Here in the south east of Norwich we are currently looking at some war porn in the air as our boys in blue gyrate their sexy killing machines around each other.

    • Bayard

      “Can we now expect a terror incident at every election called by a sitting Conservative Government?”

      Looks like it, yes, although a nutter stabbing two people is hardly terror. After all, if it had been a white racist who’d stabbed two Asians, it wouldn’t have been, would it?

  • joel

    Re the p-head PM, the BBC has been supplying wall to wall coverage of his decade-late sudden ‘crackdown’ on freed jihadis.

    Unfortunately they have neither the time nor space in their coverage to even briefly mention Jack Merritt’s father condemning Bozo for manipulating his son’s murder.

    Simply no time or space regretably.

  • Rowan Berkeley

    The truth is, everybody is going for the asshole vote. Here’s one asshole ready-made, Len McCluskey:

    “I find it angers me that the very nation that defeated fascism at the end of the Second World War, and gave Europe all the freedoms that they currently have, everything that Europe currently has, we gave them. And yet, how is it right that German workers have got better protections than British workers? French, Spanish, Italian, Dutch, Belgian, have got better protections than British workers. It’s because since the days of Thatcher, a conservative governments and the establishment that they represent regard trade unions, as the enemy within. Which is completely different the way trade unions are treated in the rest of Europe, and all Labour is attempting to do is give us a level playing field and equality.”

    • Greg Park

      What point are looking to make? McCluskey merely states established fact. UK anti-union laws are among the most draconian in the developed world. One of the main reasons why wages have been stagnant for a generation and why inequality is back at Victorian levels.

    • Peter

      Ok, Len is overdoing the ‘we won the war’ bit but that doesn’t detract from the fact that Britain did play a rather significant role.

      Len speaks more sense than most and should consider running for parliament at the earliest possible opportunity.

  • N_

    Most of the wealth from empire went into the hands of the rich, including in slaving centres such as Bristol, Liverpool, London, and Glasgow. It’s not as if the textile workers in Britain were living it up – many worked longer hours than when they were on the land before industrialisation. It’s true that many in Lancashire etc. were rooting for the South in the US civil war and that can’t possibly be justified. Being a worker bossed around by exploiters has never in itself stopped a person from being a fascist or other kind of scumbag. Meanwhile what do we say about British women who go to nail bars worked in by slave labourers today, or those who get their cars washed by slave labourers? Many of us don’t give as much spare change to homeless people begging as we could. We’re so far from a humane society worthy of the name, but we do what we can to try to achieve it…

    As for fishermen, life was tough and drowning in storms was common, but I doubt the casualty rate in a small fishing community over 50 years was anywhere near the average for a single transatlantic journey by a slave ship.

    • michael norton

      One of the worse,
      was Tasmania, the most equitable Antipodean climate for British people,
      by the interwar years, every last native Tasman’s life had been ended.
      Tasmania people were probably the most ethnically remote, they had walked to Tasmania in the last glaciation, then been cut off by the rising seas, I think it was said that they were isolated for seventeen thousand years, before the British came.

    • Hatuey

      N: “It’s true that many in Lancashire etc. were rooting for the South in the US civil war and that can’t possibly be justified.”

      Actually it can.

      • Squeeth

        The Manchester Guardian supported the slaving bastards but the factory workers didn’t.

        The Manchester Guardian was highly critical of US President Abraham Lincoln’s conduct during the US Civil War (1861–65), writing on the news that Abraham Lincoln had been assassinated: “Of his rule, we can never speak except as a series of acts abhorrent to every true notion of constitutional right and human liberty […]”[31]

        On 31 December 1862, a meeting of cotton workers at the Free Trade Hall in Manchester, despite their increasing hardship, resolved to support the Union in its fight against slavery. An extract from the letter they wrote in the name of the Working People of Manchester to His Excellency Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States of America says:

        … the vast progress which you have made in the short space of twenty months fills us with hope that every stain on your freedom will shortly be removed, and that the erasure of that foul blot on civilisation and Christianity – chattel slavery – during your presidency, will cause the name of Abraham Lincoln to be honoured and revered by posterity. We are certain that such a glorious consummation will cement Great Britain and the United States in close and enduring regards.
        — Public Meeting, Free Trade Hall, Manchester, 31 December 1862.

        • Hatuey

          Well, first of all, it’s great to see someone who is willing to go beyond mere slogans. And anyone who does so will be faced with a few difficult truths in regards to both sides, north and south, and their views on slaves/manumission.

          Lincoln and the Union wanted to send them back to Africa and, so, they essentially wanted not only to abolish slavery but abolish slaves too which they understandably felt were undercutting the price of white labour. This was a huge issue for abolitionists. They were just as concerned about the likelihood that freed slaves would undercut the price of white labour too, incidentally.

          It would be difficult to say that was a principled position unless you were willing to subscribe to the same “send them home” principles that racists subscribe to today. And, to be clear, there was nothing humanitarian in the idea of sending slaves home — a good proportion of these slaves would have been born into slavery and had no concept of Africa being home. It was about getting them out, not freeing them per se, and it was essentially a racist position in itself.

          I read a book on this years ago that talked in terms of a split labour market that not only pitted black slaves against white workers — on the basis of competition and wage levels — but also pitted northern capitalists against southern capitalists in the economy…. actually here’s a link I just found, it’s a book by Edna Bonacich

          “Lincoln actively pursued a re-colonization well after signing the Emancipation Proclamation”

          Thus, both sides were essentially racist, for different reasons.

          Slave owners argued that they treated “their” slaves better than northerners treated their workers, btw — on the basis that norther capitalists didn’t care about the health and well-being of their workers whom they could hire and fire as they pleased — because they owned the slaves it was in their interests to take care of them, etc.

          Chomsky talks about this too, it’s well known and understood to be quite a compelling argument, although not an argument for slavery but an argument against treating workers and people like any other factor of production.

    • Laguerre

      The question is, in effect, “Did the empire benefit the working classes?” The answer, I suspect, is “somewhat”. Of course the owners, the industrialists, the merchants, presumed that it was their right to keep everything for themselves. But towards the end of the 19th century, there was a movement of generosity, and they built houses for the workers. Lines of houses were built to rent to the workers, no bathrooms and toilets at the end of the garden. My grandparents lived in such conditions. But it wasn’t “grab-all”, the spirit of 19th century capitalism as revived by Thatcher.

      The problem of Thatcher was that the working classes had to be beaten down, rather than cooperated with. Only a part of the 19th century experience, and quite different from the German experience of the industrial revolution, where cooperation between worker and boss was emphasised, as it is today.

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