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  • #47650 Reply

    Tatyana

    Links

    • COSMOS‘ (YouTube) – The Earth and Moon – at the ‘ Enchanted Forest ‘ Pitlochry, Scotland 2019
    • World Leaders Group‘ (FaceBook) – Ukraine’s new President Zelensky brings his sense of humor to office. He gathered his former comic troupe behind the hit show which propelled him to office, Servant of the People, to entertain the guests of this year’s YES Conference. Check out this take on the “World Leaders Group” chat he just joined.
  • #47671 Reply

    Pyewacket

    Tatiana, with regards to the number of satellites, I meant thousands in the plural. I’ve heard that eventually 5G will employ an extra 20,000 of the things, beaming down onto every spot on Earth, emitting radiaation at frequencies that some consider harmful.

    • #47683 Reply

      Tatyana

      Pyewacket
      I know one person is quite obsessed by launching things into space 🙂 Ilon Mask. Must be his idea. He is never shy in the scales of his projects.

      I recently passed the music fun test and learned from it that Voyager carries a golden disk into the space, and the disk contains “Die Hole Rache”. Surprised with the choice. What if some extraterrestrials understand it? They would think we are all mad here on Earth 🙂 A mother with a knife cursing her daughter and making those “a-ha-ha-ha-ha”…

      Why not choose Casta Diva? A woman prays for peace. Divine music. Maria Callas is iconic, but I like this video with Rene Fleming better, because there’s flute in the beginning

  • #47672 Reply

    Brianfujisan

    Hatuey… Ya gotta Give Creddo to THat Instant Reply. That Girl is Sharp.

  • #47678 Reply

    Tatyana

    Thank you, moderators for editing, looks much more better!

    Nice Saturday morning in Russia.
    The school it taking kids on a journey for this week-end, so I expect more free time 🙂 Hope to drag more people here.

  • #47687 Reply

    Clark

    Hello Tatyana, and thank you for posting about Sputnik.

    Please would you tell us what you know of the story of the Mir space station?

    Has anyone here read Gravity’s Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon? Here is a song that it inspired, which sends shivers up my spine and never fails to make me cry:

    “Why these mountains?
    – Why this sky?
    – This long road?
    – This empty room?

    • #47690 Reply

      Tatyana

      Hi, Clark, welcome here 🙂

      Shame, I know near to nothing about Mir. But my husband’s education is exactly this field of knowlege. if you have specific questions, I can ask him and translate for you.

      Googled for the Gravity’s Rainbow, seems like something hard to read!?

      • #47694 Reply

        Clark

        Maybe. It’s something to let yourself read whenever you happen to be in the right mood. A lot of it is quite surreal. I enjoyed going with its flow, but when I tried to impose meaning upon it I just got confused.
        – – – – – – –

        No, I don’t have questions, but I’d love to hear your experience, like what was on television or in the papers, and what people thought of it. I often watch the ISS go over, and I wish I had thought to look for Mir back before 2001.

        “Mir (Russian: Мир, IPA: [ˈmʲir]; lit. peace or world) was a space station that operated in low Earth orbit from 1986 to 2001, operated by the Soviet Union and later by Russia. Mir was the first modular space station and was assembled in orbit from 1986 to 1996. It had a greater mass than any previous spacecraft. At the time it was the largest artificial satellite in orbit, succeeded by the International Space Station (ISS) after Mir’s orbit decayed. The station served as a microgravity research laboratory in which crews conducted experiments in biology, human biology, physics, astronomy, meteorology, and spacecraft systems with a goal of developing technologies required for permanent occupation of space.

        – Mir was the first continuously inhabited long-term research station in orbit and held the record for the longest continuous human presence in space at 3,644 days, until it was surpassed by the ISS on 23 October 2010.[13] It holds the record for the longest single human spaceflight, with Valeri Polyakov spending 437 days and 18 hours on the station between 1994 and 1995. Mir was occupied for a total of twelve and a half years out of its fifteen-year lifespan, having the capacity to support a resident crew of three, or larger crews for short visits.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir

        USSR / Russia has always been ahead in spaceflight, especially human spaceflight. That’s why the USA is so scared of Russia.

        • #47699 Reply

          Tatyana

          Clark, the reviews on the Russian translation of this book do not recommend reading it, and my English is not good enough to read the original, I’m afraid.

          I remember almost nothing about the Mir, it was removed from orbit and drowned in 2001, and for me it was the first year of work experience and the first marriage.
          A year earlier, the tragedy of Kursk submarine happened, that case I remember well.

          • #47706 Reply

            Clark

            I suspect that Gravity’s Rainbow wouldn’t translate well (and would give a translator a headache!); if you’re going to read it, read it in its original US English.

            It’s a shame you know little of Mir; it was a wonderful project. Maybe Russian media should highlight it more.

          • #47712 Reply

            Tatyana

            Yes, I agree, it’s a shame.
            But I know the latest gossip on ISS. Do you know anything of drilling in the ISS? We know 🙂
            Someone even wrote a fun verse in russian:

            Разлила ночь любви елей
            И тихо спит осенний лес
            А где-то травят Скрипалей
            И дрель жужжит на МКС

            it translates something like this (I try to keep the rhythm):

            The night has spilled the chrism of love
            The autumn forest is serene
            While someone’s poisoning Skripals
            And the ISS hears the sound of a drill

          • #47743 Reply

            Clark

            “…it’s a shame”

            Tatyana, your English is easily good enough to enjoy Gravity’s Rainbow in the original English, should you wish to.

            Although poetical and surreal, Gravity’s Rainbow is about the development of the V2 Nazi terror weapon that was the first viable rocket of the Space Race, and it is set in Europe at the end of World War Two; all the national borders were down so the whole area was just called “the Zone”. The USSR and the Western allies converged on Peenemünde, to where they had traced back the trajectory of the V2s.

            Basically, and in conformance with their respective ideologies, the Western allies got the Nazi officers of the missile teams (Operation Paperclip), whereas the USSR got the engineers. The USSR got the better end of that outcome!

            Th end of WWII in Europe was basically a race for the V2 technology, and it was all about nuclear weapons. From the bombing of Hiroshima onwards, the whole world knew that nuclear weapons were practical, but there was no commensurate delivery system; bomber aircraft are highly vulnerable to being shot down before they reach their target. So the superpowers desperately wanted ballistic missiles, and they recognised that the V2 was what they were looking for.
            – – – – – – –

            Ah yes, I had heard of the air leak in the ISS which turned out to be a small drilled hole. Some suspect sabotage, others a manufacturing error before the component was launched.

  • #47693 Reply

    Tatyana

    well, I expected it will be a lazy week-end. No sheduled visits, plenty of free time. Deciding on how to spend this day is like listening to the Angel and the Devil sitting on your shoulders 🙂

    – Go to your studio and work on your new project!
    – Studio is in the half-basement.
    – It is cozy there.
    – But it is depressing to stay underground in the daytime.
    – But the new project…
    – And poor internet sygnal
    – But the new project…
    – And you have orange marmalade, and you can quikly coock a pile of pancakes
    – Pancakes and marmalade add extra centimeters to your backside, Tanya. Go to the studio. You’ve got a lot of work!
    – And you have the whole James Bond film collection, start with Casino Royal

    When I can’t decide, I think “What if it’s the last day of my life? What if I die tomorrow?”

    Finally, I decided it’s better to die fat and happy, rather then slim and tired 🙂 Still can’t understand if it were the Angel who voted for pancakes 🙂

  • #47703 Reply

    N_

    If we can all post whatever connections we want in this forum, I’d like to mention that although Yuri Gagarin was the first person in space and also the first to orbit the Earth he was not the first animal in either category. The first animal in space was Albert, a rhesus macaque monkey who died of suffocation on a US-fired German-developed V2 rocket in 1948.

    The first animal to orbit the Earth was Laika, a stray dog found on the streets of Moscow who was an unwilling victim of the USSR’s Sputnik-2 program in 1957. Having been forced to undergo experimentation in a centrifuge, she was kept during the flight in a tiny container in which she suffered a very high level of stress and overheating which killed her. Decades later, Lieutenant General Oleg Gazenko who trained the animals for the programme apologised. Unfortunately his apology was pathetic because he couched it in cost-benefit terms.

    The abuse of non-human animals in early space programmes was met with protest demonstrations in a number of countries. One of these took place in 1957 outside the Soviet embassy in London and opposed the use of dogs in the Sputnik 2 programme. Participants included the great Lizzi Lind af Hageby, then in her 80th year.

    • #47711 Reply

      Clark

      Empathy for non-human animals was very low in those days, and they had even less protection than they do now. Relative to other industries the various space programmes were very minor offenders, though offenders nevertheless. The domestic consumption market must have tortured tens of millions of animals; anti-litigation testing of domestic cleaning agents, cosmetics etc. And then there’s always meat…

    • #47713 Reply

      Tatyana

      N_, glad you’re here 🙂
      Yes, it must be the same moderation rules, but we are not to keep to a certain topic.

      On the problem of animals in the space I agree with Clark. We eat meeat, and we do not count white rats in laboratories, so …

      • #47729 Reply

        N_

        @Tatyana – I don’t eat meat or any other parts of dead animal. There’s a long history of opposition to vivisection and other cruel experiments on amimals (this is one reason I mentioned Lizzi Lind af Hageby), including experiments on rats. Much of my family was from Battersea: I was born anti-vivisectionist.

        • #47730 Reply

          Tatyana

          well, I eat meat. I thought about it once.

          I believe that billions of billions of cells which lived here on this planet, developed and evolutioned to form a structure, that finally appeared to be my body – the memory, the experience, the culture and co-working mechanisms of these numerous cells must not be forgotten, non-trusted and betrayed.
          It’s like respect for the soldiers who died for me living now.

          I know that we are no longer lower animals and have brains (or rather, we differ from them in the more developed gray matter of the brain). But this structure of our organisms appeared relatively recently and its authority is, honestly, doubtful – look at what is going on in the world.

          I studied biology quite deeply, and I want to say that if you peer into the membrane of a cell and realize how enormous work has been done by evolution, so that a few molecules work together as a chemical plant producing complex processes. Yes, and encode this mechanism so that it can be archived, transported, and then deployed and reproduced in a new organism… Perharps you’d realise, how disrespectful and arrongant is the suppressing of their ‘delivery request’ for certain type of molecules.

          I do not support cruel experiments on animals or vivisection or anything of that kind. As soon as we find the way to grow meat in laboratories, I will eat artificial meat.

          • #47742 Reply

            Clark

            “how disrespectful and arrogant is the suppressing of their ‘delivery request’ for certain type of molecules”

            Indeed. That attitude displays a deep respect for nature.

            However, those ‘delivery requests’ are to a large extent habituated, and they can be conditioned and trained. And humanity has an environmental emergency; the biosphere simply can’t supply as much food from animals as populations of developed places want, and which the market system therefore supplies. Our way of life is already unsustainable, and it certainly can’t be generalised to all of humanity.

            I’m not ideologically vegetarian or vegan, but I usually eat meat only about once every two weeks. I missed it at first but now it seems fine, but when I’m working on festival sites and thus living in a tent I find that I crave meat about once a day. I had all but given up dairy produce, until recently I started spending more time with, ironically, a vegetarian.

            Hummus and falafel are great.

  • #47705 Reply

    Brianfujisan

    Humans are the New / old Monkey .. wars that we cant learn from.

    Tatayana..I agree with Clark..your Husband’s Expertise sounds Kool

  • #47707 Reply

    Brianfujisan

    Roger waters was Last seen on these Shores as he sang ‘ Wish You Were Here ‘ in London…In support for Julian..

    however this is touching too.. From Roger..I think.

    • #47714 Reply

      Tatyana

      Roger Waters has integrity, he is brave man to say what he think and to support what he believes to be right. I’m grateful he said his word on the White helmets.

      What do you like most in his music, Brianfujisan?

      • #47744 Reply

        Clark

        I was surprised when I realised how important the keyboard player Richard Wright was to Pink Floyd. He did much of the arranging:

        This is why humanity must have a space programme.

        • #47832 Reply

          Brianfujisan

          Clark

          Yes Agree The Keyboards/ Piano arrangements of Richard Wright are Breath Taking .. ‘ Us and Them’ Too..almost everything really –

          Such Beautiful Music…So Emotionally So.

          Us (Us, us, us, us, us) and them (Them, them, them, them)
          And after all we’re only ordinary men
          Me (Me, me, me, me, me) and you (You, you, you, you, you)
          God only knows it’s not what we would choose to do
          “Forward” he cried from the rear
          And the front rank died
          And the general sat and the lines on the map
          Moved from side to side

          Black (Black, black, black, black) and blue (Blue, blue, blue, blue)
          And who knows which is which and who is who
          Up (Up, up, up, up, up) and down (Down, down, down, down)
          And in the end it’s only round and round, and round

  • #47718 Reply

    Brianfujisan

    Gawd. there is so much Tatyana

    My Main Man is Peter Gabriel

    But Floyd Echoes is Sublime –

    • #47721 Reply

      Tatyana

      if you appreciate the art of body plastic, you may like this. It’s etnic fusion

  • #47737 Reply

    Brianfujisan

    Wow, What an Amazing Elastic Body..Thanks for sharing

    Reminded me a wee bit of This one –

    • #47738 Reply

      Tatyana

      Cool! I think I’ve recognised capoeira movements and the “unite” message in the end. A bit foreign cultural code, but in whole I can catch it.

  • #47758 Reply

    Tatyana

    @N_
    re. “The abuse of non-human animals in early space programmes was met with protest demonstrations in a number of countries.”

    I’ve came across a joke. Sorce is here
    https://pikabu.ru/story/nemnogo_kosmicheskogo_yumora_6971375

    Buzz Aldrin (the second man who set foot on the moon) joked about why Alan Shepard became the first American in space: “Actually,” he said, “they wanted to send a monkey, but a bunch of letters came to NASA in defense of animal rights, and in defense of Shepard not a single letter arrived. They sent him. ”

  • #47761 Reply

    Tatyana

    “Disinformation for Hire” by Jeff John Roberts, published in the ‘Fortune’ September 30, 2019
    article summary:

    – a cyber-security company in Massachusetts called Recorded Future created a fake U.K. company
    – then it hired two Russian PR firms to wage information warfare on the company’s behalf
    – the range of services offered by the Russian PR firms is startling
    – the price to plant news articles in English-language media outlets includes
    Reuters: $8,360
    Wallpaper*: $8,404
    Mashable: $13,370
    Financial Times: $49,440
    – Recorded Future hides the identity of its analysts who engaged the Russian firms
    – director of analysts at Recorded Future is Roman Sannikov
    for more detail please read the source
    https://fortune.com/2019/09/30/russian-disinformation-for-hire/

    And, here is the article by Vladimir Kornilov analyzing the Fortune’s news:
    in russian https://ria.ru/20191006/1559466764.html

    – investigators do not name either the fake UK company they created, nor the companies they hired (to “protect their sources”) So, it’s impossible to check the story.
    Roman Sannikov‘s company has been providing Russian-English translation services in the US http://www.sannikovtranslations.com/
    – he himself claims that he worked as a translator at the FBI for 20 years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kCZIX6a-6o
    – he says he worked at CrowdStrike from January 2014 to September 2016 https://www.linkedin.com/in/roman-y-sannikov-bb9815 (it was CrowdStrike who accused russians of hacking DNC server)
    – he was a translator for some dignitaries, including former FBI director Robert Muller https://www.flashpoint-intel.com/blog/potential-impact-of-fin7-arrests-on-stolen-payment-card-ecosystem/

    • #47890 Reply

      Tatyana

      update
      Ukrainian news report October 10, 2019
      “the United States arrested two businessmen who helped Rudi Giuliani to lobby the investigation into Joe Biden”
      source in ukrainian https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/articles/2019/10/10/7228742/

      The two detained men are Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, they are accused of violating campaign finance rules (Donald Trump’s election campain).
      Ex-USSR; lived in Odessa, Ukraine; both are US citizens.
      Igor Kolomoisky claimed that they also came to Israel and asked him to help to meet new Ukrainian president Zelensky.
      Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman also lobbied for the dismissal of the US ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Jovanovic.

      Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko says that Marie Yovanovic gave him a do not prosecute list during their first meeting.
      source in english, The Hill https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/434875-top-ukrainian-justice-official-says-us-ambassador-gave-him-a-do-not-prosecute

      “…Yuriy Lutsenko said he wanted to open an investigation into the likely Ukrainian interference in the 2016 elections. But he would have to “work out” the director of NABU Artyom Sytnik. He, on suspicion of Lutsenko, published information about secret money transfers of former Ukrainian leader Viktor Yanukovych to Paul Manafort to harm Trump. That is, he acted in the interests of Hillary Clinton.”
      But Sytnik was in the “do not prosecute list” handed to the ukraininan prosecutor by the US ambassador.
      source in russian https://ria.ru/20191012/1559691232.html

      • #47897 Reply

        Tatyana

        As I see, US diplomats’ work is sometimes far from diplomatic duties 🙂 That is what I read in russian news on the protests in Moscow this August:

        … US mission in Russia published a detailed map showing the time, route and the places of meeting of the ‘protest march’
        https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/2221282/

        … The senator (Andrey Klimov) noted that unauthorized actions in Moscow “wonderfully” fit into the plans of a private intelligence company that works in the interests of the US government.
        https://ria.ru/20191008/1559547939.html

        … Deutsche Welle directly called for participation in unauthorized actions… State Duma … Roskomnadzor … Prosecutor General … Foreign Ministry consider the issue of depriving Deutsche Welle of accreditation in Russia.
        https://radiosputnik.ria.ru/20191008/1559557045.html

        Maria Zakharova (spokeperson for russian Foreign Office) :
        … Moscow and Beijing did a great job of analyzing relevant information materials … we see the hand of “one master” both in Russia and in China in the context of interference in internal affairs … our Western colleagues, especially the USA, and also the countries that we conventionally call ‘the collective West’, are behind this.
        https://ria.ru/20191011/1559661553.html


        ah, and I can’t go without an old joke on the top of it 🙂
        – Why is it impossible for a color revolution to happen in the USA?
        – Because there is no US embassy in the USA.

  • #47765 Reply

    Tatyana

    another interesting piece of info comes form the russian article by Roman Kretsul, Yuri Bogdanov and Michael Moshkin November 27, 2015
    https://vz.ru/politics/2015/11/27/780683.html

    Talking about the oil sold by ISIS, Alexander Frolov says:
    “Could it be tracked a year ago, two years ago? …our Western colleagues… accuse Turkey of profiting. I would like to ask: friends, didn’t you really know how it all looked? … Go to the ship-location sites and see, for example, an Ukrainian oil tanker approaching the territory controlled by militants. Do you believe she goes to enjoy the local landscape?”

    It made me think of ukrainian oil tankers, and Ukrainian oil and gas company, which paid big money to the son of a US vice-president, who demanded to fire Ukrainian prosecutor, and the desire of the new US President to investigate the case led to the impeachment proceedings.

  • #47898 Reply

    Clark

    Hello Tatyana, sorry I dropped out of the conversation; I’ve been with Extinction Rebellion in London:

    The General Discussion Thread

    • #47903 Reply

      Tatyana

      Hi, Clark.
      I’m too excited with todays news, Syrya is going to stand agains Turkey and it all can really break out into the wholescale military conflict with Russia involved into.

  • #47902 Reply

    Tatyana

    today, October 13, Syria decides to stand against Turkey:
    “Syrian army will be deployed along the border with Turkey, to help Kurds to repel the attacks”
    So, Damascus is going to wage war with Turkey. I’m waiting for Putin’s statement, re. what will Russia do now.
    source in Russian is here (either translate it with on-line translation tool, or wait for RT to cover it for you in english)
    https://ria.ru/20191013/1559734655.html

  • #47906 Reply

    Node
    • #47914 Reply

      Node

      Oops, I got those links back to front and I didn’t even mean to post them here in the first place. I was just using this thread to format my comment to post elsewhere. Sorry Tatyana.

      But since I have posted it here …. I was trying to contrast the policing of the two protests, and hence the government’s attitude to them. The contrast would be even more stark if you compared the BBC’s news coverage of them.

      I’m not sure who Extinction Rebellion claim to be rebelling against but it ain’t our government.

      • #47921 Reply

        Tatyana

        it’s ok, Node. It’s general off-topic thread.
        Why is police so strict with the Extinction Rebellion?

        • #47947 Reply

          Clark

          “Why is police so strict with the Extinction Rebellion?”

          In London, they’re not; It’s the other way around…

          Members of Extinction Rebellion, some of whom call themselves “Arrestables”, block a road or an office building and, completely non-violently, simply ignore all requests to get out of the way. Police tell them to get out of the way or be arrested. The Arrestables don’t, so they get arrested. I think over 1300 were arrested over the last week.

          The police can only process them so fast, and there are only so many cells.

          It’s peaceful non-violent direct action. Civil disobedience. In what are usually immense road junctions stuffed furious with traffic, XR set up civil spaces with music, arts, performance, information, free food etc. There are discussion groups anyone can participate in; People’s Assemblies.

          It was that lunatic Roger Hallam’s idea; blame him:

      • #47941 Reply

        Node

        Why is police so strict with the Extinction Rebellion?

        It’s the other way round Tatanya, but I mixed up the links and confused you. The police are very tolerant of the Extinction Rebellion protesters, and so is BBC news coverage, which suggests that our government is in favour of it too.
        Why? No matter what your view on man-made climate change, it cannot be denied that powerful people are trying to use it as a means to impose global control over nations, through green taxes and legislation. These globalists have a strong influence in our government.

        • #47942 Reply

          Node

          Tatanya Tatyana … sorry again!

  • #47908 Reply

    SA

    Exiting developments in Northern Syria. Preliminary reports suggest that the SDF and the Syrian government have reached an agreement and that the Syrian army is moving into Kurdish areas to protect against the Turkish invasion. If this proves the case the long awaited peace in Syria will have materialised and regime change has failed.
    Amongst items discussed was that the SG will take custody of the Da’esh fighters and families that are prisoners of the SDF.
    Maybe there is method in Trump’s madness after all!

    • #47910 Reply

      Tatyana

      The autonomous administration of the northeastern Syria officially announced on Sunday that it had reached an agreement with the Syrian authorities to deploy the Syrian army along the entire Syrian border with Turkey to help repel the attack of the Turkish army and pro-Turkish groups.
      Yasin Aktay, Adviser to the Turkish president, said that the Turkish army will fight back in case of a clash with the Syrian Army on the border of countries.
      https://ria.ru/20191013/1559735889.html

      Syria’s state TV reports that Assad’s army reached Tell-Tamr in the northwestern province of Haseke.
      Lebanese TV channel al-Mayadeen reports: the Syrian army entered Tabka in the province of Raqqa, which was previously controlled by the Kurds, and moves further north.
      https://ria.ru/20191014/1559746030.html

      russian ‘Admiral Makarov’ frigate tested Caliber rockets and anti-aircraft systems in the Eastern Mediterranean.
      She goes to Tartus (syrian seaport and russian navy base). The ship will be on a long voyage as part of the Mediterranean squadron by the end of the year.
      https://ria.ru/20191014/1559737561.html

  • #47946 Reply

    Clark

    Extinction Rebellion are rebelling against the toxic system everywhere; there were actions in capital cities all over the world. In Brussels, they were attacked with water cannon, tear gas and baton charges.

    “…global control over nations prevention of ecocide, through green taxes and legislation>”

    I can’t deny that such measures are needed, and much more besides. Are you opposed to international law, Node? Would you prefer cuts to the Public Sector?

    XR get on well with the Met, mostly. It’s the non-violence, see?

  • #47948 Reply

    Tatyana

    Node, Clark, thanks for explaining 🙂
    I’m concerned with ecology, the issue is slowly moving to the public attention in my counry. Ordinary citizens litle by litle learn to sort wastes. I see big bins for plastic in public places. And the most important, we have a civil movement “Чистомен” (like Superman, but Clearman) – enthusiasts clean places and share on the social media, others learn and follow the movement
    https://pikabu.ru/tag/Чистомен/hot

    • #47949 Reply

      Tatyana

      By the way, what is your opinion on Greta Tunberg?

      • #47962 Reply

        Clark

        The scientists have been warning the politicians for decades. I think it is shameful that it requires a young teenager with Asperger’s syndrome to sit alone outside her parliament building before people would take the danger seriously. “Out of the mouths of babes”.

  • #47950 Reply

    Tatyana

    Russian defence ministry publishes the map of Nothern Syria, posiions on October 15, 17 p.m.
    Contact line between Syrian government forces and the Turkish army is patrolled by the Russian military police.
    Something’s cooking

    https://syria.mil.ru/files/morf/2019-10-15%20%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BA%20%D0%A1%D0%90%D0%A0%2017.00%20-2800.jpg

  • #47967 Reply

    SA

    I think I posted this in the wrong place.
    Very important developments are occurring in Syria. These may be the beginning of a recognition officially by the regime change conspirators that they have failed to achieve their goal but unwilling to admit it. Whether Trumps withdrawal from Syria was just an off the cuff policy or whether it was carefully planned, probably with the acquiesce of the Pentagon, but not necessarily other agencies, cannot be determined. That some planning has gone into it appears to be the case because the SAA seems to have been prepared to send troops at very short notice to the West Euphrates part of North Syria.
    Whilst all the pundits are wailing about the supposed fate of the Kurds, it is clear that they have been abandoned by the Allies as a lost cause. For any self determination of the Kurds to occur, the larger populations of Kurds in Turkey and Iraq have to be involved, not the smallest populations found in Syria. They were obviously used as a ploy to divide Syria.
    The main narrative in the BBC and other media is that the Kurds, with a bit of help from US, UK and France, beat back the Daesh hordes heroically. Although there is a truth in this, the role of Russia in first exposing the collusion between Daesh and Turkey which became obvious when Russia published the photos of long convoys of trucks from and to turkey to the ‘Caliphate’, and when they started to bomb these. It was at that point that the West decided to intervene and at one point the intervention seemed to be mainly to stop the foreword advance of the SAA and to prevent the Syria government from taking over the oil rich region of the east Euphrates.
    All of this has been erased from the narrative. It appears that now the tide might have finally turned. Whatever the reason for Trump’s actions in withdrawing from Syria, it seems to be the best thing he has done in his otherwise rather erratic actions.

    • #47968 Reply

      Tatyana

      SA, maybe it is the best thing Mr. Trump has made, but he is always severely opposed by the US Congress, who made a resolution today condemning the withdrowal of US military from Syria. 354 votes vs 60, and only 4 congressmen withheld.
      It is the House of Representatives, the members are elected by ordinary citizens, I suppose. So it makes all the US citizens responsible.

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