The Feminist Defence of Blowing Out the Brains of Small Children

by craig on April 9, 2014 8:05 pm in Uncategorized

The number of people still prepared to defend the Iraq War in public is tiny.  The interesting thing is the very strong correlation between those people, and those prepared to pretend to give credence to the farcical sexual allegations about Julian Assange.  Zoe Williams Guardian piece about what a jolly good chap Blair is I find breathtaking.  War crimes like Blair’s result in terrible anguish for millions.  I am prepared for purposes of argument to believe that Williams’ anguish for female victims of crime is genuine; why she can’t extend that to the tens of thousands of women who were raped because of Blair’s Iraq War, or had the still worse agony of seeing their children killed and mutilated I don’t know.  Nick Cohen is just very, very sad.  I just hold up these two in the hope that those deceived by feminist political correctness into following their lead against Assange will see to what they are subscribing.

Rather a side issue, but even if we accept Zoe Williams view that dead Iraqi children don’t matter, she appears not to have noticed that Blair introduced tuition fees, academies, kick-started NHS privatization, allowed the banksters’ bonanza leading to worldwide economic crash and oversaw the greatest widening of the gap between rich and poor in British history.

 

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  1. Moral people agonies over the debate of abortion; but feminists [Gloria Steinem] urge women to celebrate the act.

    Just another example of feminism being a cult of death.

  2. Abortion comes in the category of those things to which I am strongly opposed, but which I do not think ought to be illegal. I think in general the state interferes rather too readily, particularly as the state itself is scarcely a persistently ethical actor.

  3. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    9 Apr, 2014 - 8:56 pm

  4. ‘The State’, which entered the war under the banner of democracy, utilizes ‘feminism’, of which there is no obvious mechanism of democracy.

    Where does a woman go if she wishes to add to the feminist manifesto? Hence feminism is an anti-democratic tool for the State to effect policy through emotional propaganda.

  5. Blair & Co. also sent British troops into Helmand province in Afghanistan in 2006, with dreadful results for the people of that area.

    A new book by a former British army officer apparently sheds more light on our crimes there.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/army-historian-whose-book-on-helmand-was-blocked-by-the-mod-is-finally-cleared-to-publish-9249305.html

    (Previous useful accounts include “Investment in Blood; The True Cost of Britain’s Afghan War” by former advisor Frank Ledwidge and “Cables from Kabul; The Inside Story of the West’s Afghanistan Campaign” by former ambassador Sherard Cowper-Coles).

  6. Resident Dissident

    9 Apr, 2014 - 9:12 pm

    The number of people still prepared to defend the Iraq War in public is tiny – yet 27% in the UK and 40% in the US still believe it was justified.

    http://research.yougov.co.uk/news/iraq/
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/1633/iraq.aspx

    And I saw another poll elsewhere identifying Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair as out two most popular ex Prime Ministers – although I daresay they both feature pretty highly on the unpopular lists as well.

  7. I am glad you said this Craig. I posted your earlier piece about Willams on the previous thread.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2011/07/another-vicious-ugly-souled-feminist/

    The Medialens contributors have wiped the floor with her too. She in inane but dangerous.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1396981230.html

    and

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1396980508.html

  8. Resident Dissident

    9 Apr, 2014 - 9:16 pm

    On Tony Blair overeeing the greatest widening of the gap between rich and poor in British history – this is just not supported by the statistics

    http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN03870.pdf

  9. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    9 Apr, 2014 - 9:16 pm

    10 years after, 64% of Republicans still think Iraq and had WMD’s

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/21/iraq-wmd-poll-clueless-vast-majority-republicans_n_1616012.html

  10. PS Mod The previous thread (Andy Myles) seems to have picked up the same title as this one. ???

  11. Sorry to disappoint but I am very much of the opinion that the Iraq war was unjustified, I want to see Blair marched off to the ICC to face war crimes but also believe Assange should return to Sweden to face questions about alleged rape and face trial if that’s the way it goes. Both can plead not guilty and mount a defence in open court, just like anybody else.

    In all honesty, that’s how most people I know seem to see things so I don’t recognise the correlation you suggest. I’d also suggest that if you’re reduced to blaming all ills on ‘feminist political correctness’ in the 21st century, purely on the basis of one feminist woman defending Blair, then maybe you’ve got some issues to deal with.

    Williams’ article is nonsense and nowhere does she present a feminist argument in support of any of the points she makes. To conflate feminism with support for the Iraq war/blowing up children is therefore somewhat crass.

  12. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    9 Apr, 2014 - 9:39 pm

    Blair has done to labour what Bill Clinton and Obomber has done to Democrats.

    The Team of Rivals have coalesced or morphed into one group virtually indistinguishable with a few new window dressings.

  13. Andy

    You don’t disappoint – people are supposed to discuss, and they can’t do that very usefully if they don’t have differing views

  14. Perhaps those who think the Iraq war was justified (above @ 9.12pm) contributed to this poll which John Pilger referred to in his piece dated 7 February 2014 from which this is an extract.

    ‘On Harvey’s Today programme I referred to a poll conducted by ComRes last year that asked people in Britain how many Iraqis had been killed as a result of the 2003 invasion. A majority said that fewer than 10,000 had been killed: a figure so shockingly low it was a profanity.

    I compared this with scientific estimates of “up to a million men, women and children [who] had died in the inferno lit by Britain and the US”. In fact, academic estimates range from less than half a million to more than a million. John Tirman, the principal research scientist at the MIT Centre for International Studies, has examined all the credible estimates; he told me that an average figure “suggests roughly 700,000″. Tirman pointed out that this excluded deaths among the millions of displaced Iraqis, up to 20% of the population.’

    /..
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/07/west-criminal-bloodbath-iraq-media-cover-up

  15. I think people believe what they do about Iraq because of a perception about terrorism created in the US/UK/corporatist media during 2002 and relentlessly maintained to present day. Why? I think in the UK this has become all about saving Tony Blair’s neck, but it probably started with Tony’s visit to the ranch in Texas.

  16. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:01 pm

    Brilliant click bait.

  17. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:05 pm

    Of course Zoe Williams is a woman and therefore her tarnished view deserves to be tarnished with the tarnished word ‘feminist’ (spit) – despite the fact that the piece contains not a single mention of those pesky women, or of feminism.

  18. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:22 pm

    Tech; I think Craig’s point is that feminist issues have a friendly ally..(same in US with Obomber) and gratitude for incremental advances in social evolution is what drives their support.

    It’s thin gruel but they wish to keep the pot on the fire.

  19. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:26 pm

    If that is indeed Craig’s point then he should make it. However, since I believe I saw you quoting RAWA earlier you will know that this is in any case a lame and midstream reading of the real facts.

  20. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:26 pm

    It would be unfair to say he is pandering to a sector of the electorate, but what genuine convictions has he shown?

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/01/28/3219231/obama-feminist-mad-men/

  21. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:29 pm

    Tech; I think you are misreading it as Paternalism, but whatevs.

  22. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:30 pm

    Surely you are not actively trying to divert attention from the original post.

  23. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:31 pm

    What you think I am ‘reading it as’ is irrelevant. It is what it is and the fact is that Zoe Williams is – good grief – being used to berate and deride ‘feminism’ (spit) because she is a woman.

  24. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:32 pm

    As i said, great click bait. Well done, Craig.

  25. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:34 pm

    Why don’t you email Craig? I mean, if that’s the only solution to your pique.

  26. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:35 pm

    But yes, Ben, of course, things get twisted into supporting the status quo – I remember the ‘black’ community being delighted about the election of Obama because they really believed this was someone who would stand up for universal human rights.

  27. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:36 pm

    Oh, or perhaps I should just bitch about him on another blog. But I think enough interaction – I hope the perpipatectic mods delete this one.

  28. A propos the ‘sad’ Nick Cohen, this is what I e-mailed to his sadness on 26 January 2014 (Nick hasn’t replied so far):

    Dear Nick,

    In your July 2004 tribute to Paul Foot, you mention that Foot “burst out laughing when he discovered that the sacked civil servant he was defending admired Margaret Thatcher more than any other politician.”

    I should like to point out that the “The Iron Lady” has never been my favourite politician.

    Cheers,

    Patrick Haseldine
    Emeritus Professor of Lockerbie Studies

    (https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Paul_Foot)

  29. Of course the Iraqi war wasn’t justified. It was horrible, homicidal, obscenely destructive, completely insane and ultimately just disgusting.

    But do we not, somehow, get the leaders we deserve?

    You can, for example, still read either explicit or implicit suggestions that the existence of “weapons of mass destruction” (and I still don’t know exactly how those are defined, but I did note that the Boston bombers were charged with using them, so it seems that they can be small enough to fit in a back-pack) would have justified the war. In other words, had Bliar been telling the truth about those and not lying through his bridgework it would all have been ok. No, it wouldn’t! The possession of weapons is a state’s sovereign right. If possession of weapons of mass destruction were a cause for war, we could have attacked France – it’s closer. Actually, we could have attacked ourselves. People who claim to have been duped by Blair & Co. into supporting the war by the false W.M.D. claim – including many in Parliament who really should have known better – are merely trying to obfuscate their own wilful credulity.

  30. Overnight (7th April) hundreds of comments on the Williams piece were removed.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/03/andy-myles/comment-page-6/#comment-451288

    The number now is 2328 which is probably a fraction of those submitted.

  31. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:46 pm

    The fact is that Zoe Williams’ piece does not contain a single mention of women or feminism. Why does the title of this blog post not read ‘The Defence of Blowing Out the Brains of Small Children’?

  32. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 10:48 pm

    Because the piece didn’t actually defend it, is that why?

  33. I think it’s pretty unfair to blame all feminists for some of them backing the Iraq war.

  34. Though it’s true there are several feminist columnists in the Guardian and Independent (Burchill etc) who are pro- Iraq war and pretty much just hate all men and to that extent i agree with you.

  35. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 11:13 pm

    Gosh, that’s nice of you Duncan – I’m an equalitist myself but I try not to blame all Christians for the Iraq war either.

  36. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 11:15 pm

    oh, brilliant, we’re basing our views on female emancipation (they didn’t have the fecking vote here! and were unable to own fecking property fere! and they can be legally raped in Afghanistan) on Julie fecking Burchill?

  37. technicolour

    9 Apr, 2014 - 11:51 pm

    What on earth has any of that to do with Zoe Williams’ piece?

  38. BrianFujisan

    9 Apr, 2014 - 11:59 pm

    The US and Britain’s Paedophile Colony

    by Felicity Arbuthnot

    On February 25th, Iraq’s Cabinet approved a draft law lowering the age of legal marriage for females to nine years old.

    Iraq was, prior to the invasion, a fiercely secular country, with a broadly equal male, female workforce and with women benefiting from a National Personal Status Law, introduced in 1959, which remained “one of the most liberal in the Arab world, with respect to women’s rights.”

    The legal age for marriage was set at eighteen, forced marriages were banned and polygamy restricted. Cohesion between communities was enhanced and fostered by “eliminating the differential treatment of Sunnis and Shiites under the law (and erasing differentiation) between the various religious communities …” Women’s rights in divorce, child custody and inheritance were an integral part of the Law, with Article 14 stating that all Iraqis are equal under the law.

    Equality was swept away from the first day of the invasion when George W. Bush and his Administration started to talk of Sunni, Shiite, Kurds, Christians and other religions and ethnicities and also effectively selecting the overseers of the “New Iraq” not by ability but by religion and ethnicity, effectively pitching Iraqi against Iraqi in what, for all the complexities, had been a very cohesive society. “Divide and rule” pervaded all.

    So far, however, the Personal Status Law still stands, if largely ignored by the US backed Parliament and a largely – with honourable and courageous exceptions – woefully wanting judiciary. The draft law, if ratified, as it is aimed to be after the April elections, would sweep its admirable provisions aside and turn Iraq in to a paedophiles’ paradise.

    This outrageous plan was first mooted as early as December 2003, just eight months after the invasion, by Abdel Aziz al Hakim, who heads the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq. He cancelled the Personal Status Law when President of the Interim Governing Council. Due to opposition by women and others within the Council and from many civil and women’s organizations, the decision was revoked by Paul Bremer, arguably the only thing he got right during his woeful, ill informed tenure.

    More from Felicity Arbuthnot’s Piece @

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/03/the-us-and-britains-paedophile-colony/

  39. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 12:12 am

    “On February 25th, Iraq’s Cabinet approved a draft law lowering the age of legal marriage for females to nine years old.”
    _________________

    A draft law, Fujisan, a draft law. Which means that it is not yet law. And may in fact never become law.

    So I advise you to hold on for a while before choking with righteous wrath.

  40. And whilst we’re on about Blood thirsty psychopath Bliar… Another great Piece By – Again Felicity A…. which includes a mention Of Craig – in Nicholas Wood’s Letter Below

    ” One man is incandescent about the appointment of Peter Welby and has written to his father in no uncertain terms”.

    Nicholas Wood is author of “War Crime or Just War? The Case Against Blair”, a meticulous legal compilation of just that. Wood, is also Secretary of the Blair War Crimes Foundation. He writes:

    The Archbishop of Canterbury.

    Canterbury Cathedral.

    Dear Sir,

    I enclose my book on Blair, and also a letter to the Prime Minister on his criminality. Though quite why I bother to pay the postage I don’t know.

    I cannot comprehend that you are someone who is supposed to think every day of moral values but not realise that Blair is a very dangerous psychopath, who, as well as causing untold devastation and misery in Iraq, wishes to extend that violence into Syria and Iran to protect Israel.

    If you read page 570 of his autobiography you might possibly see what I mean.”

    Referring to Blair’s advisory position to various heads of State, including Uzbekistan, of which former Ambassador Craig Murray blew the whistle on mind numbing torture, he states: “ Your son will be benefiting, indirectly of coursei from money obtained from despots who boil their victims. This, under the guise of piety.

    I was brought up as a child, a long time ago, to think of Thomas A Becket as a Saint, who resisted the power of a military state, and paid the price with his life. I cannot see you doing that.

    I also was brought up to worship the medieval beauty of Canterbury, it’s stones and it’s stained glass. If stones could weep they would be weeping now.

    Yours faithfully,

    Nicholas Wood, MA

    The full Piece… AGAIN BY Felicity A. @

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/if-stones-could-weep-syria-blairs-plans-and-an-archbishops-son/5377266

  41. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 12:36 am

    Enticing as the thought of Blair being hauled before an international criminal court might be, it’s not going to happen – ever.

    So I do wish full and candidate members of the Egregiousness of Excellences would stop getting their rocks off with all this cutting and pasting of letters, petitions, manifestos, “thoughts”, etc etc on this notion. It’s pure phantasy and wishful thinking, which probably makes the posters feel better about themselves and life in general but which is boring in the extreme for the rest of us.

    ***************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  42. Sorry, I posted the above on the previous thread, then thought I’d made a mistake cos the thread was called … well, the same title as this one … so I posted it on this one instead, only to find out that I was right first time …. and then my head exploded ….

    MOD … you’d better check out the Andy Myles thread, title plus Craig’s post.

    [Fixed, hopefully. Post another comment if anything still seems wrong now. Duplicate comment deleted.]

  43. A Node, I had that problem too. In fact I commented on it. So it must be a general fault rather than computer specific.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/03/andy-myles/comment-page-7/#comment-451808

    Off to bed now.

  44. Gloria Steinem discussing (a little bit of) her time “alongside” the freedom-lovers of Langley

    http://youtu.be/4HRUEqyZ7p8

  45. Faux-Feminist’s Ridiculous “Women Under Siege” Syria Map
    CIA Asset Gloria Steinem’s “Women Under Siege” Joins Syrian Propaganda Campaign.
    by Tony Cartalucci

    April 14, 2012 – Ironically, faux-feminist Gloria Steinem’s “Women Under Siege’s” latest campaign to demonize the Syrian government in tandem with the US State Department and its vast stable of media and intelligence assets, stands to set the stage for extremist ideologues to overrun Syria, ending its secular society and entirely stripping away the “women’s rights” Steinem claims to have spent a lifetime fighting for.

    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/faux-feminists-ridiculous-women-under.html

  46. It’s a strange place that band wagon in which the crazed ride.

    “Ban bossy” to re-instate the female gender or to alter perception on a way we perceive girls. Yet the entire media establishment use the term ” child pornography”
    Wrong, it should never be called such and always be called what it is.
    Abuse, exploitation, indecency!

    We are not devising correct tactics to combat wrong doin amongst the astranged masses.
    Our use of terms for wrongs is paramount.

    The “Iraq war” – really….

  47. Enticing as the thought of Blair being hauled before an international criminal court might be, it’s not going to happen – ever. …. Habbabkuk (La Vita È Bella) ! 10 Apr, 2014 – 12:36 am

    Such might be something Mr Blair might consider highly desirable when an increasingly likely alternative mirrors the fate of Jürgen Frick, 48, the chief executive of the Liechtenstein private bank Bank Frick [Bank chief Jürgen Frick shot dead by ‘Robin Hood of Liechtenstein’] because of the following consideration, which has been aired and shared recently in a number of places elsewhere.

    Mon, 04/07/2014 – 15:09 amanfromMars setting the record straight on http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-07/ceo-liechtenstein-bank-frick-murdered

    Up until now it was mostly banker suicides. With the first open bank CEO murder, one wonders if there will be a change in the pattern.

    As people get smarter and information more specific and revealing, are pattern changes inevitable and more focussed on problem source corrections than problem result accommodations.

    And banking is not the only field to expect unprecedented novel action and radical proaction dealing with individuals rather than tilting at metaphorical windmills in attacking corporations and collective bodies, which are just as smoke and mirror shields behind which languish persons of interest feted and destined to become targets of revenge and rough common law justice, madness and despair …….. http://www.ur2die4.com/140328/

    And it is only natural to expect such to be the normal course of future events if change in dodgy inequitable systems is not to be embraced and led from the front by those hiding in the shadows and directing operations from the back.

  48. I read Felicity Arbuthnot’s pieces too Brian. The newest deals with the son of our Jewish! Archbishop of Canterbury (YCNMIU) joining BLiar’s Faith Foundation and these ridiculous articles posted on the website.

    http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/blogpost/syria%E2%80%99s-fragmented-extremists

    http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/blogpost/good-government-issue

    Felicity has a long and deep knowledge of Iraq and the people whom she loves. You see that she is heartbroken at what has been done to the country and to the people if you read her essays.

    PS I see that BLiar has enrolled Martin Bright of the JC to write on the FF blog.
    http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/blog/user/13537

    All FF bloggers are tainted by association with the arch war criminal.

  49. As I see it Zoe Williams is an establishment spokesperson commissioned to try and give Blair’s name a sanitised image after earlier revelations this week that the war criminal knew about the torture and rendition.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10747166/Tony-Blair-knew-all-about-CIA-secret-kidnap-programme.html

    Even if some of what she says is true Mark Antony’s oration over the body of Caesar comes to mind. “The evil that men do lives after them . . .”

    Zoe Williams, if she really believes the tosh she writes, is as bad as Blair himself – who is still proud of what he did in Iraq and would do it again. Neither have any shame. I pointed out yesterday, or the day before, that Nick Clegg’s initiative about providing school meals in the first three years of a child’s life was a good thing. You cannot be in office for years on end without having achieved anything. But Blair’s record as a war-criminal casts a huge black shadow over anything positive he may have done.

    The other big error in her article is a comparison between Blair’s government and the coalition. She cannot even see that these are different faces of the same coin.

  50. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 9:14 am

    AmanfromMars writes

    “Enticing as the thought of Blair being hauled before an international criminal court might be, it’s not going to happen – ever. …. Habbabkuk (La Vita È Bella) ! 10 Apr, 2014 – 12:36 am

    Such might be something Mr Blair might consider highly desirable when an increasingly likely alternative mirrors the fate of Jürgen Frick, 48, the chief executive of the Liechtenstein private bank Bank Frick [Bank chief Jürgen Frick shot dead by ‘Robin Hood of Liechtenstein’]”
    _________________

    Sounds a little like a hope…and even an incitement? Be careful.

  51. AManfromMars I do not see a narcissistic psychopath like Blair ever committing suicide. He possesses no guilty conscience.

    Many bankers though are committing suicide as Max Keiser was saying in a conversation with Stacy Herbert on RT.

    ‘Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert discuss the poor players that are the empires that strut and fret their weapons upon the world stage. The consequences of the tall tales told by neocon idiots full of sound and fury is that the young refuse to rise up and, instead, meekly visit the food bank. In the second half, Max interviews artist, Alex Schaefer, about ‘burning banks’ and the Global Insurrection Against Banker Occupation. Max watches as Alex ‘burns down’ HSBC on set while describing the current absence of artist activism.
    http://rt.com/shows/keiser-report/episode-586-max-keiser-385/

  52. I have a tiny bit of sympathy with the view that Blair (and his ministerial team, riven though it was by Brown/Blair dysfunctionalities) did some good things. The same goes for Mrs Thatcher. However, in Blair’s case it is striking how even the good policies were flawed. For instance, the manifesto commitment to Freedom of Information was implemented slowly, the scope was reduced, the resources to support it limited .. and the fact that even this emasculated legislation helped to hold the government to account led Blair to disown his own legislation as a mistake.

  53. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 9:18 am

    From Mary

    “I read Felicity Arbuthnot’s pieces too Brian. The newest deals with the son of our Jewish! Archbishop of Canterbury (YCNMIU…”
    ______________

    Does Justin Welby have some Jewish blood from the (more or less) distant past?

    The Nazis used to go back to a person’s grandparents to rule whether someone would be considered Jewish.

    How far back would Mary go?

    Very sinister.

  54. I have some sympathy with Hababkuk’s point that banging on about Blair is boring, but I’m going to do it anyway.

    Resident Dissident said last night that Thatcher and Blair were our two most popular ex-Prime Ministers. This is because they were both conviction politicians.

    Peacewisher is quite wrong in thinking Blair went wrong on a Texan ranch. Long before that he was on a mission to destroy the Islamic world’s political power. If you don’t believe me read Seldon’s biography or Rawnsley on the first Labour government.

    And in my view Zoe Williams has a point at least in that it is foolish to underestimate the political skills of Blair. I actually applaud what he did in Northern Ireland and Koxovo, and especially in NI I can’t think of any other contemporary politician who could have achieved what he did.

    Blair should not be underestimated especially as he seems to be trying harder than ever to make a comeback.

    Finally I think Craig has a point about feminism as ably demonstrated above by BrianFujisan. Increasingly in fundamentalist Islamic areas women are being routinely crucified, having their health ruined for life by early childbirth all because stupid men want to know their wives are virgins. To ignore the destruction of what seems to have been a sophisticated and in many ways enlightened civilisation in Iraq, despite Saddam,is puzzling for a feminist.

  55. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 9:22 am

    Compare and contrast…and then wonder

    AmanfromMars : “[Bank chief Jürgen Frick shot dead by ‘Robin Hood of Liechtenstein’]”

    Mary : “I do not see a narcissistic psychopath like Blair ever committing suicide.”

    ????????

  56. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 9:29 am

    Conjunction

    I have no problem with people examining what might have made Blair tick and similar activities. After all, we still welcome new biographies of other, long-dead British political personalities as new evidence or new takes come to light or are advanced.

    What is extremely boring is this constant phantasizing about international criminal courts, citizen’s arrests and so on. It’s boring because it’s grounded not in reality (actual or foreseeeable) but simply represents the expression of inner rage. I suppose I don’t see this blog as a pyschologist’s couch.

  57. ‘I suppose I don’t see this blog as a pyschologist’s couch.’

    V funny remark in view of its provenance.

    PS Sp. psychologist not pissologist.@)

  58. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/another-trader-commits-suicide

    Staggering statistics for this year alone.

    This latest death brings the recent banker death tally to 10:

    1 – William Broeksmit, 58-year-old former senior executive at Deutsche Bank AG, was found dead in his home after an apparent suicide in South Kensington in central London, on January 26th.

    2 – Karl Slym, 51 year old Tata Motors managing director Karl Slym, was found dead on the fourth floor of the Shangri-La hotel in Bangkok on January 27th.

    3 – Gabriel Magee, a 39-year-old JP Morgan employee, died after falling from the roof of the JP Morgan European headquarters in London on January 27th.

    4 – Mike Dueker, 50-year-old chief economist of a US investment bank was found dead close to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington State.

    5 – Richard Talley, the 57 year old founder of American Title Services in Centennial, Colorado, was found dead earlier this month after apparently shooting himself with a nail gun.

    6 – Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based communications director at Swiss Re AG, also died last month, however the circumstances surrounding his death are still unknown.

    7 – Ryan Henry Crane, a 37 year old executive at JP Morgan died in an alleged suicide just a few weeks ago. No details have been released about his death aside from this small obituary announcement at the Stamford Daily Voice.

    8 – Li Junjie, 33-year-old banker in Hong Kong jumped from the JP Morgan HQ in Hong Kong this week.

    9 – James Stuart Jr, Former National Bank of Commerce CEO, found dead in Scottsdale, Ariz., the morning of Feb. 19. A family spokesman did not say what caused the death

    10 – Edmund (Eddie) Reilly, 47, a trader at Midtown’s Vertical Group, committed suicide by jumping in front of LIRR train

  59. Ba'al Zevul (THank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 9:57 am

    I think Craig is complaining about what Williams didn’t say – she skated elegantly round Iraq – rather than what she did. There’s an awful lot of space to play in the field of what people don’t say, and IMO if they’re not too important, like Williams, it’s probably a waste of time going there.

    Most of the usual points re. Blair were made in three uncontested letters to the editor in the same (print) issue. (CiF is generally a nonsense, and censored by any intern not currently making coffee for the subs – also under continuous pressure from CiF Watch – a hasbara outfit.)

    Williams eulogised Blair’s reforms without managing to mention PFI – which is actually worse than privatisation, because the taxpayer continues to pay for the service, plus thirty years’ interest, or his and Brown’s massive borrowing against the assumption that the derivatives bubble, of which Blair was sublimely unaware, would continue to grow indefinitely…or selling the gold reserve at a discount…or….or… So much was unsaid.

    Me, I think they put Williams’ thoughts in because Blair had been pontificating in the paper the previous day, and they needed a positive thinkpiece by someone whose strong stomach reduced the risk of an in-desk vomiting event. As has been noted above, hardline feminists are quite capable of toeing the Tony line, possibly because for some unfathomable reason they want his babies.

    IOW, pffft.

  60. Ba'al Zevul (THank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 10:05 am

    And Nick Cohen is an evil POS. IMO.

  61. To continue my point on out use of language and the decisions that are foundered, i turn on the radio 5 and their is a reference to Ben Dover the adult film actor.
    7.20 on mainstream media.
    There are forces of manipulation that encourage war mentality.

  62. It says a lot about a person’s humanity, nevermind moral compass, that they think killing & mass misery can be thought of as a political consideration that bears any sort of political comparison; the life of one single person is not worth knocking x pence of income tax or raising the minimum wage by x pounds; if they really think that human life is not so precious, especially for an self-righteous “Greater Cause”, then why don’t they validate their conviction by placing themselves in real danger for a real worthwhile cause, instead of white-washing the murder of others; if Zoe Williams, even now, adopted an Iraqi orphan & brought that child up as her own child, she would still be an obscene apologist for mass murder, albeit a slightly less sickening hypocritical one.

    Even if Blair really did bring peace to NI & saved lives in Sierra Leone, a once modern country, the size of France, has been destroyed & turned a literal Hell on Earth at the expense of countless lives:

    “The modern, educated, advanced nation of Iraq was reduced to a quasi failed state … the Americans, beginning in 1991, bombed for 12 years, with one dubious excuse or another; then invaded, then occupied, overthrew the government, tortured without inhibition, killed wantonly … the people of that unhappy land lost everything – their homes, their schools, their electricity, their clean water, their environment, their neighborhoods, their mosques, their archaeology, their jobs, their careers, their professionals, their state-run enterprises, their physical health, their mental health, their health care, their welfare state, their women’s rights, their religious tolerance, their safety, their security, their children, their parents, their past, their present, their future, their lives … More than half the population either dead, wounded, traumatized, in prison, internally displaced, or in foreign exile … The air, soil, water, blood, and genes drenched with depleted uranium … the most awful birth defects … unexploded cluster bombs lying in wait for children to pick them up … a river of blood running alongside the Euphrates and Tigris … through a country that may never be put back together again. … “It is a common refrain among war-weary Iraqis that things were better before the U.S.-led invasion in 2003,” reported the Washington Post. (May 5, 2007)“

    http://williamblum.org/aer/read/127

  63. Hababbkuk, I am a bit more paranoid than you. I think they wheeled in Zoe Williams – perhaps she even had a little chat with Tony first – to rally the troops for Tony’s next campaign. She actually writes well and the points she makes are eloquently put.

    Another thing she doesn’t mention of course is that when Blair started rabbiting on in cabinet about Iraq the entire cabinet including Straw thought he was off his rocker, just like the Tory cabinet did when Thatcher started saying ‘We’ve got to destroy the Unions’ in about 1980.

    However both cabinets, seeing the chance of getting their parties in for a stretch behind a strong leader had a couple of pints and chucked their principles out of the window for the duration.

    These lickspittles are mostly the ones now who are going ‘Ah, yes Iraq, tut tut’, and dissing their leader to anyone who’ll listen.

    At least Straw is still standing up for the things he never believed in in the first place.

  64. Sorry the above should be addressed to Ba’al, not Hababbkuk!

  65. Equality has come a long way since Pankhurst….
    Bravo Craig, this nail was asking to be hit on the head for some time. Women can be as ruthless as men, as to why, how and for what reasons is open to debate.
    I also support RAWA because they did their utmost when it was dearly needed, sensible tasks in Afghanistans health and social care, under threat of death, don’t think they would take Blairs side.

    I heard a 1960′s photographer/reporter speak on TV whilst writing something, she was a 1960′s celeb photographer and journo, I beleieve working for the Observer, she was speaking on taking Blairs portrait during the early seventies, she summed it up as ‘the moment he entered the room I felt uncomfortable and the photo I took was not natural, I could not find his natural side, it was impossible to draw out, he was weird’
    sadly can’t remember her name, something Molly or Polly, not sure, but the way she said it made it obvious that she did not like him on sight.

  66. Ba'al Zevul (THank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 10:36 am

    Conjunction -
    I think your paranoia may be justified; that would make sense. Your confusion of Me with the other entity is well out of order, though. :-(

  67. Conjunction. “This is because they were both conviction politicians.”

    In my book they should both be convicted politicians.

  68. “I suppose I don’t see this blog as a pyschologist’s couch.”

    No, you don’t, its more like an annonymous hole in the wall in some dinghy peepshow for you, somewhere to get off all over people.

    Your insunuations, always running in the background, are rude and facetious, your non participation is legend and sadly, so limiting to your very own self.

  69. Ba'al Zevul (THank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 10:40 am

  70. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    10 Apr, 2014 – 12:36 am

    “It’s pure phantasy…”

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    10 Apr, 2014 – 9:29 am

    “…constant phantasizing…”

    verb
    “…variant spelling of fantasize (restricted to archaic uses or, in modern use, to the fields of psychology and psychiatry).”

    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/phantasize

    Very strange!

  71. Ba'al Zevul (THank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 11:18 am

    Four letters re. the Williams piece in today’s print Guardian. One weakly supportive of Williams, the others point out the holes in her account; all critical of Blair.

    Tony Blair = Toxic Brand

  72. conjunction 10 Apr, 2014 – 10:21 am

    “Hababbkuk, I am a bit more paranoid than you. I think they wheeled in Zoe Williams – perhaps she even had a little chat with Tony first – to rally the troops for Tony’s next campaign. She actually writes well and the points she makes are eloquently put.”

    If you’re right, maybe this recent hagiography by Bob Geldof, also in the Guardian, is less than coincidence:
    http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2013/mar/02/bob-geldof-africa-tony-blair

  73. Nevermind. It was Jane Bown. She was brilliant.

    Jane Bown: ‘There was nothing there with Blair’
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=546OT_ViFdo

    What a marvellous photograph of Bertrand Russell in profile she produced and isn’t she unassuming.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_women_photographers#United_Kingdom

  74. Mary, Jane Bown’s assessment of Tony Blair is a classic put-down. She reminds me of the Conservative lady who described him as “smarmy” before his first term of office. I wish I had listened to her. Instead I wasted my vote in helping to elect the evil warmonger. It was the last time. Blair killed my association with the Labour Party. Blair’s father was a Tory. He inherited the gene.

  75. Ba'al Zevul (Thank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 12:18 pm

    LOL @ A Node’s Geldof contribution. Certainly shows how slebs can get it disastrously wrong. For all the fine words, Gleneagles achieved precisely zero – a generally and rightly forgotten event. Though it helped set up Blair’s diary and contacts list for his lucrative private operation.

    A bit from my link above:

    Blair represented the desertion by Labour of the social democratic gains of the post-war period. New Labour placed far greater emphasis on the vacuous New than on the Labour. He wasn’t just a warmonger abroad but someone who pushed through private finance initiatives and deregulation at home, who allowed inequality to prosper, and who displaced blame for social ills onto the victims.

    The state became not a support and provider for people from cradle to grave, but increasingly a facilitator of greater enrichment for private business, bankers and speculators. And it became increasingly coercive too, both at home and abroad. There was growth in state-sanctioned Islamophobia, the erosion of civil liberties, and an increase in the surveillance state; subservience to the White House in the ‘war on terror’ meant participation in rendition and complicity in torture.

    Re. which, compare and contrast:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4627360.stm
    and
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17682879
    also
    http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2010/07/15/uk-sought-rendition-of-british-nationals-to-guantanamo-tony-blair-directly-involved/

    with:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10747166/Tony-Blair-knew-all-about-CIA-secret-kidnap-programme.html

  76. Habbabkuk; “A draft law, Fujisan, a draft law. Which means that it is not yet law. And may in fact never become law”

    Actually according to the Telegraph, it “looks likely to pass”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10753645/Iraq-ready-to-legalise-childhood-marriage.html

    Re topic of thread, this comment seems to appropiate;

    “This should be OK as well:

    Mr. Jonesxxx is a paedophile and he rapes children in Malaysia and kill them in the process, after torturing them of course. But here at home (UK) he is is an exemplary citizen, pays taxes, gives money to charity organizations, and work hard for his country. Anyway, Malaysia is very far away, and who cares?

    What about that?

    PS: please, don’t tell me that th example doesn’t apply. If you do that I would ask for you to tell the families of all the civilian killed during the invasion and afterwards, all the tortured and imprisoned people, that Tony Blair and his master (Bush) were very good politicians because they cared for the people of their country”

  77. Ba’al Zevul (Thank God Tomorrow’s Friday) 10 Apr, 2014 – 12:18 pm

    “LOL @ A Node’s Geldof contribution. Certainly shows how slebs can get it disastrously wrong.”

    Oh, I don’t know, I think Geldof achieved exactly what he intended ….

  78. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 12:40 pm

    Mary

    Rather than focussing on my inadvertent mispelling of ‘psychologist’, you would do better to tell us why you consider the idea that someone in public life might have had a Jewish ancestor so important. And why you consider it important enough to bring it to our attention.

    This is Craig’s blog and not Stormfront or one of those other more than dubious websites.

  79. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 12:43 pm

    I also wonder why the other Eminences – usually so vocal when a poster remarks on a public figure’s ethnic or religious background – remain so silent when Mary’s off on one of her find-the-Jewish-ancestor hunts.

    Is it the silence of agreement or the silence of embarrassment?

    *************

    Buy US dollars, sterling and shekels!

  80. How anyone can justify on any basis the Iraq War – what Dr. David Kelly was murdered for trying to prevent, and Blair covered up by getting stooge Brian Hutton to do all the necessary dirty work – is beyond me.

    Saddam’s ouster was thrown in by Washington’s neocons after the attempt to stop the 19 hijackers turned into a massive cock-up which murdered 3,000 innocent Americans, but Blair still supported is just state terrorism carried to extreme lengths.

    Without it, the Middle East would have been more manageable problems, but with it, the area is just a massive mess.

  81. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 12:48 pm

    Conjunction

    “Sorry the above should be addressed to Ba’al, not Hababbkuk!”
    ______________

    No problem, Conjunction! I’ll be positive (sorry, Excellences, I know it’s like farting at a reception) and assume that you don’t consider me to be paranoid :)

  82. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 12:51 pm

    Nevermind

    “Women can be as ruthless as men, as to why, how and for what reasons is open to debate.”
    _______________

    Probably, Nevermind, because they’re human? You shouldn’t put any category or group on a pedestal, you know!

  83. Habbabkuk is not much good at working things out, is he?

    Nevermind. There are female psychopaths too. At a lower percentage of the population than the male.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_Psychopathy_Checklist

  84. “Women’s rights” has been used extensively as justification for NATO/Western attacks in Afghanistan. I haven’t found any articles by Zoe Williams specifically about that, but here she is praising UK military education for people, mostly male (the article refers to “boys”), as young as sixteen:

    http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2014/feb/21/why-army-education-is-hard-not-to-admire

    The article also links to a timeline, “British forces’ century of unbroken warfare”, something that Habbabkuk recently claimed was false:

    http://interactive.guim.co.uk/embed/2014/feb/100-years-of-war/index.html

    (Javascript required for above link.)

  85. Ba'al Zevul (Thank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 1:10 pm

    Just a reminder that the 7/7 London bombings occurred during the G8, from which Blair was flown by Chinook to RAF Leuchars the next day* for a plane home. And the bombings may well have been a direct response to Blair’s enthusiastic participation in Afghanistan and Iraq. Reminder:

    On 6 July 2006, a videotaped statement by Shehzad Tanweer was broadcast by Al-Jazeera. In the video, which may have been edited[12] to include remarks by al-Zawahiri who appeared in Khan’s video, Tanweer said:
    “ What have you witnessed now is only the beginning of a string of attacks that will continue and become stronger until you pull your forces out of Afghanistan and Iraq. And until you stop your financial and military support to America and Israel.”

    *He announced he was leaving Gleneagles just an hour after he had advised the public not to make unnecessary journeys…

  86. Jane Bown, on photographing Blair:

    ‘There was nothing to capture’

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=546OT_ViFdo

    That’s quite significant coming from an artist, and particularly of portraiture.

    I’d have much preferred she developed that theme than listen to 6 Pilgers patronising tone.

  87. “On February 25th, Iraq’s Cabinet approved a draft law lowering the age of legal marriage for females to nine years old.”

    Iran of course already has such a law

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9500484/Alarm-as-hundreds-of-children-under-age-of-10-married-in-Iran.html

    We forget that such things are driven by religion and that child brides still existed within Christianity until recently. As an agnostic living in a largely secular democracy, I find the whole thing abhorrent – but then I would.

  88. Mary

    Could we have a full biography of your father so that we can all play the game of visiting the sons of the father on the child? You really are incorrigible.

  89. The point about child bride legislation in Iraq is that it did NOT exist in Saddam’s time prior to the Bush Blair onslaught that laid waste the country and wrecked its institutions. The Sunni Shia divide did not exist and there was very little acrimony in a multiple society. You should keep up and I suggest you read Felicity Arbuthnot and William Blum. Keep up why don’t you or are you being deliberately obtuse.

  90. “Buy US dollars, sterling and shekels!”

    it shrieks.

    Meanwhile, in the real world, people are buying Renmimbi.

    You can open a Yuan account at HSBC or Bank of China. Certainly worth considering before the western financial system collapses:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2013/05/09/why-investors-should-buy-chinese-yuans/

  91. @Goss

    “Blair killed my association with the Labour Party.”

    Yes he was rather good at clearing out the infiltrators.

  92. Ba'al Zevul (Thank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 1:29 pm

    Could we have a full biography of your father so that we can all play the game of visiting the sons of the father on the child? You really are incorrigible. (@ Mary)

    Personal attack.

    “Blair killed my association with the Labour Party.”

    Yes he was rather good at clearing out the infiltrators. (@JG)

    Personal attack.

    Mods?

  93. Habbabkuk, when you visit this blog, do you realise what this site is, why you find so much negativity here, and why you’re often considered disruptive?

    This little blog is part of democracy’s conscience; that is the vital function being performed here. It has developed around the conscientious actions of a single individual, and has attracted many contributors who also feel that there are injustices to report; hence what you deride as “negativity”.

    If you disrupt conscience, you nurture psychopathy.

  94. ESLO, 1:22 pm

    “Yes he was rather good at clearing out the infiltrators.”

    As, I believe, was Stalin.

  95. Ba’al Zevul

    You of course missed the personal attacks on Welby and Blair – but that is ok in your book I presume?

  96. Ba'al Zevul (Thank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 1:43 pm

    You of course missed the personal attacks on Welby and Blair – but that is ok in your book I presume?

    They post here?

  97. “there was very little acrimony in a multiple society”

    Complete and utter bollocks – why did all those people flee the country, why did Saddam invade his neighbours, why so much torture and killing of political opponents, why the appalling treatment of the Kurds and Marsh Arabs, why the victimisation of trade unionists etc. etc. Please stop rewriting history – you can argue about the rights and wrongs of the war, but to pretend everything was sweetness and light beforehand is a complete fantasy and fabrication.

  98. They post here?

    Why is that of relevance – is insulting people behind their backs somehow better?

  99. “As, I believe, was Stalin.”

    I believe he used rather different means – they would probably fall within MAry’s definition of “very little acrimony in a multiple society”.

  100. Mary; “Keep up why don’t you or are you being deliberately obtuse”

    Mary, some people’s blinkered POVs depend on them being exactly that !

  101. “The Sunni Shia divide did not exist”

    Also completely untrue.

  102. Ba'al Zevul (Thank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 2:12 pm

    “The Sunni Shia divide did not exist”

    Also completely untrue.
    Correct for once. On the other hand we have done our best to exploit the division, and in Iraq succeeded beyond comprehension.

  103. “On the other hand we have done our best to exploit the division”

    I would put it more down to ignorance rather than genuine intent.

  104. Iraq, now Syria …. more collateral damage from Western intervention.

    Some Syrian refugees arriving in Jordan are opting to marry off their daughters at a young age believing that marital status offers a form of protection and insurance.

    http://www.irinnews.org/report/95902/jordan-early-marriage-a-coping-mechanism-for-syrian-refugees

  105. Ba'al Zevul (Thank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 2:30 pm

    They post here?

    Why is that of relevance – is insulting people behind their backs somehow better?

    You are with President Obiang of Guinea, I take it:
    “What right does the opposition have to criticise the actions of a government?”

    As the people – in the public domain – you are defending almost certainly remain unaware of any insult*,and are far too important to take notice of it it if they did, it’s probably more harmless than incessantly stalking the contributors you don’t like here and being as unpleasant as you can to them for no particular reason – or maybe you have a reason?

    * Do note that criticism, or outright condemnation, especially when backed by checkable facts, are not per se insulting. Also that people whose columns you could read every week in the Spectator, if you were literate**, do a far better crucifixion job on people who are not actually present in their office than anyone here.

    ** Insult.

  106. Ba'al Zevul (Thank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 2:36 pm

    I would put it more down to ignorance rather than genuine intent.

    Please support that opinion. As I recall, the UK media were falling over themselves to tell us in 2003 how the Shi’a would welcome us into Iraq – and they did, briefly, because we’d been telling them they would at last be able to express their majority view democratically. And I am absolutely certain that someone in the FCO was aware that the Shi’a traditionally look to Iran for support, and that Israel for the last twenty years has been urging the US to attack Iran. Ignorance? If so, there was no possible justification for intervening in the first place.

    The current civil war in Iraq is largely Shi’a vs. Sunni. Lousy as the previous regime was, they weren’t murdering each other on a industrial scale then. Indeed, they shared neighbourhoods. Not any more.

  107. Ba'al Zevul (Thank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 2:44 pm

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/the-vicious-schism-between-sunni-and-shia-has-been-poisoning-islam-for-1400-years–and-its-getting-worse-9139525.html

    The invasion of Iraq instigated by George Bush and Tony Blair in 2003 was the second big factor in the deterioration of Sunni-Shia relations. Saddam Hussein led a Sunni elite which governed Iraq’s Shia majority with a reign of state terror. The US had backed Saddam in Iraq’s war with Iran throughout the 1980s, in which half a million troops died.

    But after 9/11 the US changed its mind about Saddam, overthrew him and brought democracy to Iraq. The resulting election placed in power leaders from the Shia majority who have excluded the Sunni minority – who have responded with the car bombs which are killing thousands in Baghdad and elsewhere. Al-Qa’ida jihadists have flooded into the country to join Sunni terrorists in attacking the Shia government. And now the polarised sectarian conflict has spilled over into Syria.

    When the Arab Spring reached Syria in 2011 it began as a protest against the corruption, nepotism and human rights abuses of the Assad government. But within two years the armed uprising against the regime was transformed.

    Rebels motivated by political indignation, who received limited backing from Western governments, slowly became outnumbered by rebel groups with extreme Islamist motivation fighting to create what they call the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

    These jihadists have come from across the Islamic world but they are backed by Saudi cash. More recently Shia militants from the Lebanese paramilitary group Hezbollah have arrived to support the Alawite-led army of the Assad regime. Full-blown civil war is the result.

    What all this means is that Sunni and Shia are locked in conflict all across the Shia Crescent. As each side steps up its activities, the other feels more threatened and hardens its response in turn.

    Sunni-Shia tensions are increasing across the world as a result. They are on the rise in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkey, Kuwait, Lebanon, Bahrain, Libya, Tunisia, Malaysia, Egypt, and even in London as issues of identity, rights, interests and enfranchisement find sectarian expression.

    The tensions are deep-rooted in wider economic and geopolitical concerns. But the risk – given the long history of division and tension – is that predictions of a transnational civil war between Sunni and Shia could become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Which side will we be supporting? Think we’re going to stop selling arms to Saudi?
    Stop destabilising Iran?

  108. ESLO 10 Apr, 2014 – 2:14 pm

    “On the other hand we have done our best to exploit the division”

    I would put it more down to ignorance rather than genuine intent.

    ……………………………

    “Text of report by Iranian Arabic language television news channel Al-Alam on 15 October

    The British government has officially apologized to Iraq over the recent Basra events.

    A statement issued by the British consulate in Basra has said that London apologizes to the Iraqi people and government, Basra residents, city and province councils and the police force over mistakes made by the British

    This comes after a British [army] unit stormed Basra police station and used force to release two British soldiers arrested by Iraqi police for the charge of seeking to carry out sabotage acts and stirring sedition among the residents of the city.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/britain-apologizes-for-terrorist-act-in-basra/1094

  109. A Node and Ba’al Zevul:

    You may be right, A. Node about Geldof being part of the promote Blair conspiracy I hyposthesized, but whether or not this is true, is it right, Ba’al, to regard the Gleneagles summit as worthless?

    For decades previously I read every week in the papers how debt was crippling what we then called the third world. This term is not used anymore, since around the time of 2005 and I would guess that the cancelling of massive amounts of global debt has made a big difference.

    Craig in his book on Africa and elsewhere has documented the way Blair has exploited African capitalism for the personal gain of himself and his cronies, but to acknowledge that is not the same thing as dismissing the value of Gleneagles and related agreements.

    Furthermore to call Geldof a ‘sleb’ does him a disservice. In the year or two leading up to the first Bandaid concert back whenever that was, Geldof toured Africa interviewing political leaders and astonished certainly me with his cojones.

    We all know aid has limited value in itself but we should be discerning in criticising people like Geldof I think.

  110. ESLO, and not just Iraq and Iran. Saudi Arabia too.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8493402.stm

    Here are a couple of petitions you, and others, might care to sign.

    http://www.walkfree.org/show-support-yemen-free-forced-child-marriage/
    http://www.change.org/petitions/stand-firm-against-child-brides

    Your comment in support of Blair, the mass murderer and war-criminal, is distasteful. Anybody with a conscience would disassociate themselves from such a character, a person who has probably murdered, and continues to murder, more children than Beria and Stalin put together, in Afgahnistan, Iraq and Libya. His Judas kiss of Gaddafi said it all.

  111. “a person who has probably murdered, and continues to murder, more children than Beria and Stalin put together, in Afgahnistan, Iraq and Libya.”

    Not even near I’m afraid – not even with your estimates for Blair.

    I’m not a fan of any backward religion – I find it difficult to place them above and below each other as they have all been pretty nasty at different stages in their development.

  112. conjunction 10 Apr, 2014 – 2:49 pm

    “We all know aid has limited value in itself but we should be discerning in criticising people like Geldof I think.”

    I think Geldof knowingly and deliberately created his Live 8 event to relieve pressure on Blair and Bush at the G8 summit. I believe he is a liar and a fraud.

    More of the same from me in a post on previous thread:
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/03/andy-myles/comment-page-4/#comment-450741

  113. “Not even near I’m afraid – not even with your estimates for Blair.”

    Figures?

  114. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 3:11 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “verb
    “…variant spelling of fantasize (restricted to archaic uses or, in modern use, to the fields of psychology and psychiatry).”

    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/phantasize

    Very strange!”
    __________________

    Why strange? Other links and sources to back up your assertion, please.

  115. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 3:14 pm

    Nevermind

    ““I suppose I don’t see this blog as a pyschologist’s couch.”

    No, you don’t, its more like an annonymous hole in the wall in some dinghy peepshow for you, somewhere to get off all over people.”
    ___________________

    “dinghy peepshow” – your expression, not mine! :)

  116. These are a few of Blair’s child victims.

    http://www.coia.org.uk/

    It says 300 children die every day. 138,000 children under 5 die a year according to UNICEF. And that’s just Iraq! You might want to associate with a mass-murderer like that. But I have morals.

  117. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 3:21 pm

    Macky

    “Habbabkuk; “A draft law, Fujisan, a draft law. Which means that it is not yet law. And may in fact never become law”

    Actually according to the Telegraph, it “looks likely to pass”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10753645/Iraq-ready-to-legalise-childhood-marriage.html
    ____________________

    Ah well, if that’s what the Telegraph says, it must be right, eh?

    “Looks” and “likely”.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ““This should be OK as well:

    Mr. Jonesxxx is a paedophile and he rapes children in Malaysia and kill them in the process, after torturing them of course. But here at home (UK) he is is an exemplary citizen, pays taxes, gives money to charity organizations, and work hard for his country. Anyway, Malaysia is very far away, and who cares?

    What about that?”
    ________________

    Not OK at all. The contrary of OK I should have thought. Why do you think I think it’s OK (links, please!), and why do you seem to think it is?

  118. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 3:26 pm

    ESLO

    ““On February 25th, Iraq’s Cabinet approved a draft law lowering the age of legal marriage for females to nine years old.”

    Iran of course already has such a law”
    __________________

    Thank you for bringing that to my attention, ESLO. As an Eminent Poster on here might say : “I was not aware”.

    But Iran’s OK, I mean, isn’t it? ‘Cos it’s deemed to be anti-Western?

  119. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    10 Apr, 2014 - 3:26 pm

    Jaafari Law;

    “The law appears to run counter to the UN Convention on Rights of the Child, ratified by Iraq in 1994—which expressly bans the legalization of child marriage—as well as Iraq’s own constitution, although al-Shimmari, himself a Shi’a, has dismissed critics of the bill. “By introducing this draft law, we want to limit or prevent” child marriage outside the legal system, according to al-Shimmari.”

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/09/iraq-wants-to-legalize-child-marriage.html

    It seems the West’s imposition of their version of democracy has unintended consequences.

    We didn’t intend for them to mimic our form of government in toto.

  120. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 3:30 pm

    Hurby

    “Meanwhile, in the real world, people are buying Renmimbi.”
    _________________

    Well, personally I haven’t yet met anyone who is, but never mind. Are you?

    ******************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  121. “I think Geldof knowingly and deliberately created his Live 8 event to relieve pressure on Blair and Bush at the G8 summit.”

    Correct.

    Poverty is intrinsic to the western system of exploitation.

    Make poverty history and you make the Washington Consensus history too.

    Geldof channelled the genuine and growing revulsion of people against poverty into something elites could accept.

    Fine words but no change.

  122. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 3:37 pm

    Ba’al Zevul

    “Could we have a full biography of your father so that we can all play the game of visiting the sons of the father on the child? You really are incorrigible. (@ Mary)

    Personal attack.

    “Blair killed my association with the Labour Party.”

    Yes he was rather good at clearing out the infiltrators. (@JG)

    Personal attack.”
    ___________________

    Not at all. The first response is a legitimate rejoinder ( of methodological intent) to a poster who appears to set great store by what sort of ancestors people in the public sphere have; in her case, Jewish ancestors). The second response makes a political point, namely that Blair rid the Labour party of its far-left infiltrators, thereby completing a process started by Clement Atlee.

    If the Mods should suppress something, it should be the constant references to people’s Jewish ancestors.

  123. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    10 Apr, 2014 - 3:37 pm

    Additionally, the efforts to make sex slaves of their children is a violation of the Rule of Law; a sacrosanct policy created for the other guy and not for personal consumption.

    It’s much better to hide one’s fetishes from behind holy vestments which no one would dare reveal because it would bring reproach on a major institution necessary for society’s well-being.

  124. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 3:38 pm

    Constant references against which you have never once raised your otherwise over-loud voice, Ba’al Zevul.

  125. John Goss:

    Stalin is generally supposed to have been responsible for around 20 million deaths either through direct executions, ‘reforms’ of agriculture on a massive scale in the thirties which collectivised agriculture, the sending of millions to Siberia. For instance his own heroic soldiers who suffered untold miseries fighting the Germans in the Second World War were in huge numbers rewarded on their return with what was often a one way ticket to Siberia because Stalin was afraid they might have been corrupted on their trip to Europe.

    He even had a considerable number of his own family executed. Shortly before the Second World War he efficiently purged his senior military commanders.

  126. And here are some more figures just in on Iraqi deaths. Where are yours ESLO?

    http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq

  127. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 3:47 pm

    Clark

    “ESLO, 1:22 pm

    “Yes he was rather good at clearing out the infiltrators.”

    As, I believe, was Stalin.”
    _______________________

    Invalid comparison, displaying little sense of history.

    1/. It is Stalin who should, in fact, be considered as an infiltrator if we are to judge by his systematic rooting out and elimination, in the 1930s, of almost all the old Bolsheviks.

    2/. Various leaders of the Labour party, starting put with Clement Atlee, have declared membership of far-left parties, organisations and groupings incompatible with membership of the Labour Party. Members of those parties, etc, whether declares or (more usually) covert, were the infiltrators.

    Hope you understood that, ‘cos I can’t be arsed to explain further. Cheers!

  128. “Well, personally I haven’t yet met anyone who is, but never mind.”

    You’ve discussed it. That’s good.

    So they’ve other strategies for when USD collapses.

    Or they’re skint.

    Which is it?

  129. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    10 Apr, 2014 - 3:52 pm

  130. A. Node:

    I have read your comments, and those of Brian Fujisan on the previous thread. In general I am not an expert on this field, it is not something I have gone out of my way to research.

    But to say as Herbie does above of Geldof: ‘Fine words but no change’ is clearly not true. You might not like the change, but change there has been.

    Yes there has been massive investment in the third world by western agencies and global companies, yes it has often been their agenda which is dominant, but there has been change, and there have been jobs created on a massive scale.

    The levels of poverty in ‘the third world’ bear no comparison, I don’t think, to what they were say forty years ago. Some of this has to be down to western investment and cancellation of debt, even if the investment is skewed.

    I felt unhappy in 2005, I remember feeling that Geldof’s timing was all wrong, but in general I am not sure that his legacy is a negative one, and in your earlier post which you link to, with respect, you do not produce much hard evidence.

    BrianFujisan does make a case against Bono, mostly on the subject of western dictation of terms of investment, but thats Bono not Geldof.

  131. Ba'al Zevul (Thank God Tomorrow's Friday)

    10 Apr, 2014 - 3:58 pm

    Conjunction
    “We all know aid has limited value in itself but we should be discerning in criticising people like Geldof I think.”

    I bow to your reasoned and informed opinion- pretty well confirmed by this:

    http://www.oxfam.org.uk/media-centre/press-releases/2013/05/make-poverty-history-and-g8-promises-was-it-all-really-worth-it

    Public pressure certainly needs to coalesce around well-known figures, and I suppose they are necessary. Mean-minded caveat; they don’t actually do the work.

  132. My sleuth-like brain asks a question. Suddenly, unless others know differently, a character called Conjunction appears on the blog. This is the day after I get some release from Habbabkuk using Habbabreak. This Conjunction speaks in the same voice as Habbabkuk, with praise for Resident Dissident and an eagerness to answer comments aimed at ESLO with unsubstantiated figures, much in the way Habbabkuk does. Is Conjunction the latest manifestation of Habbabkuk?

    A simple Yes from regular comment-makers will suffice. Or even No if that’s what you really think.

  133. Not sure why you’re getting at Mary taking an interest in genealogies, habby.

    I seem to remember that elites put great store by such measures.

    Breeding, they called it. Drew up big long family trees, with crests rampant and everything.

    Apart from a brief period during the post war period when it became rather unfashionable, it’s now happily all back in vogue again.

    There’s barely an area of elite life these days where “aristocracy” isn’t thriving.

    They’re all very proud to be special, and indeed owe their position in life to it.

    More elite family trees, please.

  134. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    10 Apr, 2014 - 4:03 pm

    Bono, and ostensibly Geldof, are like any other politician who gets caught up in the net of populism and finance. Becoming mainstream is the Obama effect.

    You have to go along to get along. When those parameters have already been established, it’s nearly impossible to effect change at all, and so minor victories on the perimeter of change are seen as good, rather than perfect.

    So if you have an intervention on a loved one a little too into his/her cups, just remember it’s ok to enable them to drink less rather than abstain completely.

  135. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 4:06 pm

    Hurby

    ““Well, personally I haven’t yet met anyone who is, but never mind.”

    You’ve discussed it. That’s good.

    So they’ve other strategies for when USD collapses.

    Or they’re skint.

    Which is it?”
    __________________

    Difference between the verbs “to meet” and “to discuss”, Hurby?

    Anyway : are you putting your money where your mouth is and buying the Chinese currency? Why so coy?

  136. Nick Cohen:
    The leaders of political cults, like their religious counterparts, increase their power by fostering paranoia. Members can trust no one outside the party, especially the police and judiciary. The SWP says that Comrade Delta’s alleged victim was free to go to the police and chose not to, but party dogma insists that justice is impossible in bourgeois courts. Only when it’s too late do women learn that the alternative disciplinary system of Marxist-Leninists exists to control them and let the leaders do as they please. The parallels with the Catholic church are too obvious for me to labour.

    Ditto: political Islam

    Feminist political correctness = sexual politics = all politics = lying. What has also reached my attention recently is that Magic is a form of private/ sexual politics which is practised inside Islam for the same evil purposes as political extremism is practised inside Islam. The worst aspects of Salafist jihadism and offshoots of manipulative Sufism converge into cult bullying and mental/ spiritual breakdown.

    What I find curious is that Craig can see and feel the pain from the black arts of feminism, whose mill western man has been ground down by since the onset of Thatcherism, but he does not see the black arts of Monarch brainwashing that appear to have touched the upbringing of Julian assange, which to me are parts of one and the same thing,viz: sexual politics/ lying/ transfer of power from the individual to New world order bullying .

  137. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 4:14 pm

    Mr Goss

    “My sleuth-like brain asks a question.”
    _______________

    Not sleuth-like and even less a brain. But I’ll give you Clouseau if you like.

    But no matter, the answer is no. Not that I – or probably Conjunction – could care less what you think. Do get it into your skull that large numbers of people disagree with you and occasionally feel moved to let you know.

    Put it down to coincidence – the same coincidence that, on Craig’s Ukraine/Russia/rasPutin threads, saw the appearance of a large number of handles unseen before and after. Comments on that?

  138. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    10 Apr, 2014 - 4:15 pm

    Can one man fight effectively within existing systems?

    Cesar Chavez; not perfect but also not a tool.

    http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/atlarge/2014/04/14/140414crat_atlarge_heller

    “Chavez’s own will was mammoth, and his battle against agribusiness lasted weeks, then months, then years. The goal, he said, was to cost growers fifty dollars for each dollar spent on the strike. Ostensibly, field workers were pushing for better wages and treatment. But they also fought for recognition of Chavez’s new field-labor union, now called the United Farm Workers, and the political authority of a marginalized demographic. The strike, which began and was headquartered in Delano, a San Joaquin Valley town that lay at the heart of table-grape production, grew to represent the fate of a new national cause.”

  139. Habbabkuk; “Ah well, if that’s what the Telegraph says, it must be right, eh?”

    It’s odds on even I reckon as to whetever your obtuseness is deliberate or not; you stated with all your non-expertise in Iraqi matters, that the child marriage act “may in fact never become law”, whereas even the pro-war & Blair friendly Telegraph, who presumeably had consulted with people more knowledgeable in this matter than yourself, have concluded this it “looks likely to pass”, a complete polar opposite to your baseless assertion.

    “Why do you think I think it’s OK (links, please!), and why do you seem to think it is?”

    Read my Post again; note that it is two parts; note that the first part was addressed directly to you; note that the second part starts with the words, “Re topic of thread, this comment seems to appropriate”

    As I believe I have previously receommended to you, adult classes in basic English comprehension skills, will save you posting even more superfluous comments than you already do.

  140. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 4:18 pm

    Mr Goss

    I should have said “most people”, not “large numbers of people”.

    BTW, how’s your “Left Unity” Party getting along? Membership exploding?

  141. Deleting Mods/ Vermicious knids of all kninds, Please note: not a Z in sight. Pretending to be zzzzzing. Wink, wink!?!

  142. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 4:23 pm

    Macky

    “Habbabkuk; “Ah well, if that’s what the Telegraph says, it must be right, eh?”

    It’s odds on even I reckon as to whetever your obtuseness is deliberate or not; you stated with all your non-expertise in Iraqi matters, that the child marriage act “may in fact never become law”, whereas even the pro-war & Blair friendly Telegraph, who presumeably had consulted with people more knowledgeable in this matter than yourself, have concluded this it “looks likely to pass”, a complete polar opposite to your baseless assertion.”
    ________________________

    Well, let’s wait and see , shall we, Macky.

    But i have a pretty goos track record in these things: no World War 3 starting in Syria, former President Chavez not assassinated by injection of a lethal cancer virus, Malaysian airliner not hijacked to Diego Garcia, AS Victoria Nuland didn’t appoint the new Ukraine govt, etc, etc – the list is long!

  143. Ba’al Zevul

    You’re easily impressed.

    =========================

    Habby

    How would you know what people you meet are doing with their money unless you’d discussed it with them?

    More generally, do you think that USD will collapse, and what impact will that have on GBP and EUR?

    Do these people you meet think that USD will collapse, or do they expect things to just keep on going as they are?

  144. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    10 Apr, 2014 - 4:27 pm

    ” how’s your “Left Unity” Party getting along? Membership exploding?”

    Even a blind sow finds the occasional truffle.

    It’s true that the Left is a quagmire of qualitative opinion whose power is limited by the very independent thinking that makes sounds of reform a dissonant incoherence. If lefties could meld with conservative ‘me too’ intellect and create alliances out of differences, the political landscape would benefit greatly.

  145. Ben; “Turkey tries to roast a Hersh for Sader”

    Here’s a couple of interesting links in the aftermath of the Hersh article;

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1396964089.html

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/04/08/296525/

  146. John Goss

    Earlier I suggested that I was paranoid. However I think I got the wrong guy.

    For what its worth, as I said on the earlier occasion you refer to, I have contributed to this blog occasionally for many years, since some time before you ever did.

    However I do beg your pardon for not recognising that this blog was really a private conversation between you and ESLO.

    In the meantime why not do a little light research into comrade Stalin and find out what everyone else knows for yourself?

  147. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    10 Apr, 2014 - 4:40 pm

    Macky; The fact that NYT and WaPO are silent about the Hersh piece….telling.

  148. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    10 Apr, 2014 - 4:42 pm

    Conjunction; Is this a new ‘nic’? If not, what name was used. Be careful not to reveal any Tells.

    “In the meantime why not do a little light research into comrade Stalin and find out what everyone else knows for yourself?”

    This is a familiar tone.

  149. Conjunction

    Stalin was definitely a baddie, but who funded him.

    Who made it all possible.

    And were they by any chance related to those who cleaned the new world of all those pesky natives.

    Chomsky and others have come up with a figure of around 60,000,000 killed since only WWII, by the West.

  150. “For what its worth, as I said on the earlier occasion you refer to, I have contributed to this blog occasionally for many years, since some time before you ever did.”

    Sorry I missed this. Where did you say “I have contributed to this blog occasionally for many years”? I must have missed something.

  151. Herbie

    The west funded Stalin in his successful efforts to fight the Germans in World War Two. Is that what you mean?

    Do you have a reference for the 60 million figure?

    Ben and John Goss: because I value this blog I will make one more comment on my identity.

    I first started commenting on this blog in 2010 after I read Craig’s books. There are reviews of both his books posted on Amazon under the same nickname which is the one I always use on any blog.

  152. The Specious Defence of Blowing Straw Women Out Of Your Assange
    This womanista defends the bad war and that womanista dislikes my chum. Feminism is a problem. Now carry on.

  153. Thanks for the sleuthing, Mary, she was a remarkable photograp[hers who could take the most exceptional pictures with a box brownie, she always used second hand cameras of the older variety and she loved black and white.

    I put her in the same league as Fritz Land, both of them artists of light and dark.

  154. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 5:03 pm

    Hurby

    “More generally, do you think that USD will collapse, and what impact will that have on GBP and EUR?”
    ____________

    The answer to your first question being “no, I do not believe the USD will collapse”, a reply to your second question becomes otiose.

    ~~~~~~~~~~

    “Do these people you meet think that USD will collapse, or do they expect things to just keep on going as they are?”
    _________________

    As I have not discussed it with them, I do not know what they think.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    And now that I’ve amply answered your questions, perhaps you would answer mine, ie, are you yourself putting your money where your mouth is and buying Chinese currency?

    If so, I wish you luck. :)

  155. should mean Fritz Lang

  156. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    10 Apr, 2014 - 5:07 pm

    “Now carry on”

    Phil; I think, as well, it’s a personal thing…toes stepped upon.

  157. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 5:08 pm

    Weedsmoker

    ““In the meantime why not do a little light research into comrade Stalin and find out what everyone else knows for yourself?”

    This is a familiar tone.”
    _________________

    And a very pertinent one.

  158. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 5:12 pm

    Nevermind

    We had the “sleuth-like” Mr Goss and now we read “Thanks for the sleuthing, Mary,..”

    WOW! Clouseau and Clousette!

    Verily I say unto you : ‘Strewth, what a slough of sleuths!

  159. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 5:14 pm

    Anyway, enough of me. Carry on, chaps. Or, on Buddy Hilly’s words: Rave on!

  160. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 5:15 pm

    Too quick – Buddy Holly (and even : in)

  161. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 5:20 pm

    I can confirm that Conjunction has written reviews of Craig’s books on Amazon UK.

    When did John Goss start squatting on Craig’s blog, as a matter of interest? Was it really only after 2010? From his tone, you’d think he’s been on here forever.

  162. Craig might just as easily have used the tags:
    The Islam-ist defence of blowing out the brains…
    The Christian Fundamental-ist..
    Marx-ist.

    -Isms are all self-serving political wolves hiding under the good names/sheep’s clothings of high principled ideas. Feminism is not an exception. Islam is ultimate truth, but ex-Zword Freemason, ex Muslim Brotherhood Ayman Zawahiri of ‘The List’ of Robin Cook fame pronounced that anybody who engages their brain into analysing what political Islam is doing, is automatically a spy and an enemy of Islam.

    Give the followers of his zombie cult guns and others who are in the habit of using their brains guns and put them in Syria where the general population is in the habit of practising the ultimate truth of Islam- what do you get: chaos. Then he wails that hsi followers have mutinied. Thank God. Allahu Akbar!. The possessors of brains have mutinied against the cult that would slit their throats for engaging their brains.

    If there had not been any opposition to the mercenaries of UKUSIS we could definitely say we were doomed. Similarly, we can also take hope that feminism took a virtual kick in the balls by the resignation of Maria Miller. wrongdoing is still being challenged in spite of NWO power.

    The case of Julian Assange is like the case of the Ukraine. Equal participants in feminist political tripe Assange and Swedish feminism cross virtual swords in a virtual legal battle computer game. Equal participants Jewish Russian oligarchs and NWO powers USUKIS cross virtual swords in a virtual legal battle computer game.

    Why is it interesting to consider the rules of a virtual game? Well chess is interesting to those who play it. But are these virtual heroic Beowulfan battles of covert politics and virtual power in the real world? Only to the extent that you believe in them. Does the presence of the black box of MH370 in the most inaccessible part of the Indian Ocean prove that nothing happened to the passengers between take-off and disappearing? Only to the extent that you believe in them.

    We live in an age of deception and the only limit is the boundaries of our imaginations to understand the full scope of the evil that our rulers are capable of doing.

  163. “The west funded Stalin in his successful efforts to fight the Germans in World War Two. Is that what you mean?”

    Nope.

    Stalin and the Bolsheviks were funded from an early stage by western bankers, as of course was Hitler.

    The Tsar was being a bit of a pain over his state banking system, so they decided to help topple him. Some things never change.

  164. Habby

    You say:

    “I do not believe the USD will collapse”

    What makes you think that?

    Is it anything other than mental inertia on your part?

    IOW, you just can’t imagine it happening because you’re conditioned to expect things always to remain the same.

    And, how can you know what people you meet are doing with their money if you don’t discuss it with them?

  165. Habby

    “I can confirm that Conjunction has written reviews of Craig’s books on Amazon UK.”

    How do you know this?

  166. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    10 Apr, 2014 - 5:43 pm

    “We live in an age of deception and the only limit is the boundaries of our imaginations to understand the full scope of the evil that our rulers are capable of doing.”

    Guano;

    I’m of the opinion that any person who seeks elected office should be disqualified on that basis.

    If they want the job they must either be barmy or duplicitous; seeking the perquisites of office rather than be inspired by the notion of Pubic Service.

    We used to conscript or Shanghai people for military and maritime bizness.

    “If nominated i will not run, if elected i will not serve” would be preferable.

  167. Nearly all of H’s remarks are personal and/or insulting. Going so fast, the typos are coming as fast as Pistorius’s bullets.

    O/T Aren’t you sick of the latter’s whining voice and the blubbing. Mr Nel is having none of it. The trial being covered live on TV news channels and featuring in news bulletins. Another diversion.

  168. I can confirm that a person who named himself Conjunction wrote a glowing review of “The Catholic Orangemen of Togo and other Conflicts I Have Known” which Craig picked up on in his blog.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/0956129900/ref=cm

    Why these two people are not the same I have no way of knowing. Habbabkuk was not contributing to the blog at that time, at least under the name Habbabkuk.

  169. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 6:03 pm

    Hurby

    “You say:

    “I do not believe the USD will collapse”

    What makes you think that?”
    _________________

    My sincere apologies to you, but my sources are confidential and my lips must therefore remain sealed.

    Are you buying Chinese currency, Hurby?

  170. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 6:06 pm

    Mary

    “Nearly all of H’s remarks are personal and/or insulting. Going so fast, the typos are coming as fast as Pistorius’s bullets.”
    _______________

    What a tasteless, misplaced comment, showing total disregard for his victim and her grieving parents. Please show a little compassion.

  171. “I would put it more down to ignorance rather than genuine intent.”

    Please support that opinion.

    Very difficult to support the existence of ignorance/prove a negative – I think the onus has to be on you to demonstrate that genuine intent existed.

  172. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 6:13 pm

    Hurby

    As an afterthought and to be helpful to you:

    If you get a shove on, you’d still be able to buy your Chinese currency in NY before the exchanges close, alternatively, you could wait a little until the Far East opens again. Let me know how you get on, won’t you.

  173. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 6:16 pm

    To a person naming himself John Goss:

    “I can confirm that a person who named himself Conjunction wrote a glowing review of “The Catholic Orangemen of Togo and other Conflicts I Have Known” which Craig picked up on in his blog.”

    _____________

    And that a person who named himself Conjunction also wrote a review of “Murder in Samarkand” on Amazon.

    I hope this helps the person naming himself Herbie (even though I always think of him as “Hurby”)

  174. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 6:18 pm

    Mary

    “The trial being covered live on TV news channels and featuring in news bulletins. Another diversion.”
    ______________

    I’m intrigued. Diversion from what?

  175. Is there something in the water at No. 10?

    Definite signs of religious mania setting in Agent Cameron and shades of BLiar all over again.

    David Cameron: ‘Jesus invented the Big Society – I’m just continuing God’s work’
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-claims-jesus-invented-the-big-society–he-is-just-continuing-gods-work-9250449.html

    PS How about Ave Javid or Vale Maria?

  176. Mary. Only if you read or listen to them. They are not diversions, they are distractions so that while your mind is busy engaging with them, you swallow another bit of garbage. I heard a Classic piece of BBC R4 tripe the other day in the program about interventionism: there were no UK boots on the ground in Libya.

    I have looked but I cannot find the report in the Daily Telegraph boasting defiantly that up to 1000 UK or NATO troops had been deployed covertly prior to Gaddafi’s murder. The same is obviously true today in Syria.

  177. John Goss

    So how many were killed by Stalin – you made the claim that it was less than those killed by Blair so now support it – I am interested in your sources for your claim!

  178. Habbabkuk; “But i have a pretty goos track record in these things: no World War 3 starting in Syria, former President Chavez not assassinated by injection of a lethal cancer virus, Malaysian airliner not hijacked to Diego Garcia, AS Victoria Nuland didn’t appoint the new Ukraine govt, etc, etc – the list is long!”

    LOL ! All the examples you cite are unproven &/or far too early to call; instead for a real example of foresight, remember Theresa May’s planned £3000 Surety Bond scheme for overseas visitors, that you posted many supportive comments on, well look who predicted, not once but twice, that it would never see the light of day, months before it was ditched;

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/06/pandering-to-racism/comment-page-2/#comment-415225

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/06/pandering-to-racism/comment-page-3/#comment-415767

    It was quite amusing that you were not amused when you were forced to admit that the Government were being forced to review aspects of it just days after it was announced !;

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/06/pandering-to-racism/comment-page-4/#comment-415821

    Actually the whole thread it worth revisiting, as it illustrates how you had nothing to offer when I actually decided to fully engage with you on something, and also for the fun of you getting yourself into a spin & put right by others over Cast Lead & Shannon Airport figures ! Enjoy & re-live ;

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/06/pandering-to-racism/?showmore=1

  179. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    10 Apr, 2014 - 6:31 pm

    “Mr Cameron faced a backlash from his own Conservative Party MPs yesterday over the way he handled Ms Miller’s resignation.”

    Just invoke the Jesus Principle and all your sins are forgiven. “Big Society” is what, Cameron’s nod to the Great Society of LBJ?

    Now if Christian qualities are truly represented, hypocrites should flee for their very lives.

  180. “Stalin was definitely a baddie, but who funded him.

    Who made it all possible”

    The natural resources of Russia extracted by slave labour and the export sales of grain stolen from the victims of the Holodomir are two sources that come to mind – but I suppose that you attribute it all to his Jewish relatives or some other anti- semitic rubbish – don’t worry Mr Goss has provided the links many times.

  181. John Goss

    Come on hurry up – don’t play your usual game of making wild assertions and then thinking they are valid because you ask someone else to prove the opposite. Your claim – you back it up or it is garbage. What is stated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

  182. An O/T interview with Lothar de Maiziere on the extend of US spying and what can be done to understand it fully.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/german-interior-minister-warns-us-spying-has-no-boundaries-a-963179.html

    There is also an article on the heartbleed virus, cursating for the last two years before being detected, but its in German and I can’t be arsed.
    Apparently a german wrote the code thjat could devastate two thirds of the internet and reveal vital personal data.

    http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/heartbleed-programmierer-deutscher-schrieb-den-fehlerhaften-code-a-963774.html

  183. Ben-Scot NON-collaborator

    10 Apr, 2014 - 6:41 pm

    Pinochet was a baddie as well, and we know who funded that mass-murderer.

    Of course, any who point this out are bigoted toward Chileans, and generals and mass-murderers.

  184. Habby

    “My sincere apologies to you, but my sources are confidential and my lips must therefore remain sealed.”

    I see. Clueless as ever.

    Why do you think the US is encircling Russia and China with anti-missile shields?

    You do realise that the only way out for the US and a soft landing for its dollar is that the Russians and Chinese meekly submit to a new banking order.

    You obviously think that’s very very likely.

    We’re back to blinky blinky who blinks first.

    Only difference this time is they’ve killed all the Kennedys.

    Have you any idea just how many systems accidents there have been with nukes, and that the only reason we’re still here is that Russian humans assumed an error.

    Are they really likely to still assume an error with all the first-strike tension the American teenagers are creating.

  185. “John Goss

    So how many were killed by Stalin – you made the claim that it was less than those killed by Blair so now support it – I am interested in your sources for your claim!”

    How many what? Dogs? Men? Women? Germans? Look up how many children Stalin killed yourself. Not as many as Blair I will wager.

  186. ESLO

    Are you claiming that western bankers did not support Stalin?

    Why is this such a problem for you.

    The bankers wanted rid of the Tsar because he wouldn’t join their banking system.

    Same as now.

  187. “What is stated without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.”

    I gave you two links concerning figures for Blair. You have not refuted them. You just tried to change the argument, which was about children Blair killed, not people. Stalin’s purges were against adults and those who he thought posed a threat. Of course there was the siege (Leningrad) during the war in which countless numbers died of starvation and cold. Are you counting them?

    Where are your figures?

  188. Jonangus Mackay

    10 Apr, 2014 - 7:15 pm

    OT
    ‘Yes. No. Of course’ epitomises BBC’s dire response to cumulative effects of Birtist Thatcherism. Highly recommended for devastating no-joke logo joke three-quarters of the way through: http://tinyurl.com/nh5e36o

  189. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 7:16 pm

    Macky

    Your entire post was hilarious, but what really almost made me fall off my chair was the following modest gem :

    “Actually the whole thread it worth revisiting, as it illustrates how you had nothing to offer when I actually decided to fully engage with you on something,..”

    Macky, you have never engaged with me, fully or otherwise. You have however been floored by me on several occasions.

    Whereas I have sometimes likened you to a broken-down old pug, struggling up from the canvas for yet another pasting, I think out friend Dreoilin said it better when she opined : “Macky is not the sharpest blade in the drawer”.

    In fact, more of a (wooden) spoon.

  190. Jonangus Mackay

    10 Apr, 2014 - 7:17 pm

    OT
    Outside UK, one of simplest ways of getting access to BBC iPlayer (see above) is via:

  191. “On February 25th, Iraq’s Cabinet approved a draft law lowering the age of legal marriage for females to nine years old.”

    It should be pointed ot that the word “marriage” doesn’t mean just the same thing in Muslim countries as it does in Britain. Just because two people are married it does not mean they are going to sleep together, or even live together. It’s a contract, the man agrees to support his wife/wives. In countries where there are many poor, where women are often uneducated and unable to support themselves, where parents are often unable to support their families to adulthood, it can be a good thing as well as bad.

    Thanks to Bush and Blair I expect there are many orphan young girls in Iraq right now, this law offers them a life, financial independence, rights. Many rich men would marry them as a form of charity, not to have sex with them.

  192. Jonangus Mackay

    10 Apr, 2014 - 7:20 pm

    *tries again*

    Outside UK, one of simplest ways of getting access to BBC iPlayer (see above) is via: https://www.tunnelbear.com

  193. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 7:24 pm

    “Stalin’s purges were against adults and those who he thought posed a threat.”
    __________________-

    Radio Moscow’s on the air again, I see.

    With the Kremlin balls (sorry, I meant bells) in the background.

    **********************

    “Life had become grim, life has become bloodier” (J. Stalin, ca. 1938)

  194. Your posts there Macky illustrate the point well that H’a avatar then was different to the one on these recent threads. Different location? Different IP address? Different persona altogether?

    Keep going. I can’t bothered with his continual nit picking, just like a monkey with a low pack rating who can only rise to a higher position by grooming the coats of the more dominant ones in the troupe thus providing a useful service. Or so he thinks.

    http://lucygoes.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/img_6986.jpg?w=625&h=416

  195. Nevermind

    In my mind’s eye I can see Angela Merkel pointing her right forefinger to her lips as pretty as pie, while protesting about NSA bugging of her phone.

  196. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 7:25 pm

    Fred

    That was an interesting post, thank you.

  197. “Many rich men would marry them as a form of charity, not to have sex with them.”

    Marriage is not adoption. A child cannot understand it implications. If a rich person wanted to provide for an orphan all well and good. But that can be done at a distance. The child has no need to be in the company of the benefactor. There is no excuse for marriage to a child.

  198. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    10 Apr, 2014 - 7:29 pm

    Mary

    “Your posts there Macky illustrate the point well that H’a avatar then was different to the one on these recent threads. Different location? Different IP address? Different persona altogether?”
    ________________

    Can’t get your head round the simple idea that I am, by myself, more than a match for the while bunch of you, eh?

    BTW you’re posting a lot – are you trying to hit the top of page 2?

    ****************

    La vita è bella, life is good! Exterminate nits and fleas.

  199. ESLO

    Come on hurry up.

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