BBC Bias – The People Have Noticed

by craig on June 30, 2014 12:38 pm in Uncategorized

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  1. Protest Against BBC Scotland Referendum Bias 2
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    29 Jun 2014

    Protest Against BBC Scotland Referendum Bias @ BBC Pacific Quay Glasgow 29/06/14 https://www.facebook.com/events/40965
    1080P HD

    The film features interviews with Yes Supporters on their experiences of bias and views on BBC coverage of the independence debate. They also give their views on the BBC post-Yes and there is a clear and unanimous desire for change. I am always impressed with the articulacy and depth of the views given.

    This is the follow up protest that saw numbers grow from a few hundred to over 2000. There was a great festival feel to the Protest with speakers and song. The protest was more of an occupation with people filling the entire facing square and entrance at Pacific Quay. As usual the Protest was made up of a huge variety of people and there were plenty of families with children. Credit to Police Scotland who did an outstanding job, standing by calmly in the background and chatting with Protesters.

    I had a person keeping a rough head count. While it is difficult to be accurate at an open event like this, there was a core of around 1,600, an additional estimated 5-600 came and went over the two hour period. The BBC reported the event and stated there was ‘several hundred’ protesters and denied any bias coverage of the referendum debate.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Hk1o2Apa_Q&feature=

    Good mainly young people.

    ~~

    This is Phantom Power’s previous video made 2nd June 2014.
    Protest Against BBC Scotland Referendum Bias
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICN_g1EvolQ

  2. I’ll just copy my post yesterday, from the hidden, lost orphaned thread, to here.
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/06/what-2000-people-look-like/almosrnobody/

    It makes we wonder about other events in more recent memory are what they seemed. Does what the media told us happened back whenever, correspond even remotely with what actually took place? I’m not disputing in the following that Chinese governments have not killed millions of people at times in their history, as have so many governments, but exceptionally bad criminal ones, it’s not the norm.

    A photo of a lone person stood before tanks in Tiananmen Square has been used recently in another blog, Scottish Independence related, http://www.cybernats.com/?p=3188 on which the comments facility seems broken, but if commenting were possible, I’d likely be assailed as trolling or against Independence by posting a gripe. People now accept that the media in Scotland are telling huge whoppers, deliberately, maliciously, with the No campaign participating in and the beneficiaries of the stream of dishonest shit that sprays from our tv screens and dying print media. Yet seem unable to discern that they’ve been subjected to this their entire lives and what they think they know about almost any situation or event is as often as not likely to be untrue.

    Quoting from: http://www.pslweb.org/liberationnews/news/what-really-happened-in.html

    “The facts of Tiananmen have been known for a long time. When Clinton visited the square this June [1998], both The Washington Post and The New York Times explained that no one died there [in Tiananmen Square] during the 1989 crackdown. But these were short explanations at the end of long articles. I doubt that they did much to kill the myth.”

    All the signs are that this (new to me) website is a ‘socialist’ one, or purports to be, you never can really tell these days, even New Labour make this claim still when it suits, and the usual suspects will cry foul on those grounds and perhaps rubbish it, but the same article can be found word-for-word on places like globalresearch.ca too, which has also received criticism, though it simply carries articles from many other places.

    I contend then that no massacre ever at Tiananmen Square, no students peacefully coincidentally present in the square were killed, injured or even involved in violence, as victims or perpetrators; an organised 200-strong armed gang launched an attack on a Chinese barracks nearby which included setting unarmed soldiers on fire in the street, and tried to launch a coup attempt in the capital, a gun battle ensued with casualties on both sides, in which the authorities prevailed eventually, this disturbance, was deliberately and falsely reported in our western media as a massacre of students, the immediacy and uniformity of the western media ‘massacre’ tale told suggesting prior knowledge and preparation of this fabricated cover story, most western governments and media would now grudgingly admit that they perpetrated a huge falsehood in fabricating a massacre that never was, a story that bore no relation to whatever did actually take place.

    Our media contrived picture of the world – even in our local part of it, where our senses directly contradict their fake reality – as it is in the relentless anti-independence message they pound, is founded on falsehoods.

  3. Iain Farrell

    30 Jun, 2014 - 2:22 pm

    I was there and I agree with Mary’s description of the event. That is, in my view, a very accurate assessment. It was particularly satisfying to get to shout at the BBC – much more so than the usual outburst of anger directed at my TV screen, on the rare occasions when I force myself to watch BBC news.

  4. Sorry Iain. That was the script from the You Tube not from me. Sorry to have confused you.

    I have been to a protest against the BBC, but in London when they had refused to air the Disasters Emergency Committee appeal for Gaza following the Israeli Cast Lead shoah in 2008/9. We threw shoes into their main entrance.

  5. nevermind, viva beautiful football

    30 Jun, 2014 - 2:35 pm

    There is a little debate going on the ‘Pink un’s’ non-football page. But essentially people support Scotland having this vote.

    http://services.pinkun.com/forums/pinkun/cs/forums/3137359/ShowPost.aspx

    If the yes campaign wins, you can count Englands days of being the last bastion against change.

  6. There’s this report too.

  7. LOL, Phil. Better than Private Eye.

  8. THIS IS A BIT OFF TOPIC – BUT IN A ROUND ABOUT WAY RELATES BACK TO THE SAME ISSUE.

    Why is it that the mainstream media finds it difficult if not impossible to focus in a timely way on the obvious? America is on a war trajectory and few if any of the mainstream journalists seem willing to address the obvious and evident.

    Anyone with half a brain can reason as follows:-

    A. America has some 700 or more military bases around the world.
    B. Terrorism in not a new phenomenon and has been know to humanity for centuries. So, since the Soviet Union collapsed no nation is likely to threaten America directly; no serious and sentient being believes the official 9/11 story – that a man hold up in some cave in Afghanistan could have masterminded the attack ( it was a “false flag” operation) ; and it is not credible to suggest that some rag-tag terrorists around the world pose a greater security threat than say the Soviet Union at full strength.
    C. But – no Congressman or woman ever seems to come up with the bright ideas:-

    i) Since FDR was able to create jobs by increased government spending on projects at home – why shouldn’t we do the same to address the consequences of recession/pending depression?
    ii) What sense is there in continually increasing the war budget while domestic legitimate needs of housing, jobs, medical care etc. continue to go unmet?
    iii) By funding wars around the world in the billions – is it the American people who ultimately benefit – or – are other interests being served at the American taxpayers expense?

    All this to say – the world is being propelled to war – and Obama is at the helm.

    CB

    WORSE YET – IS IT BACK TO WAR IN IRAQ?
    PEACE!

  9. Good to see protest. I hope that it grow’s in the weeks to come.Nevermind’s post said it all.Why should we be surprised?
    Great seeing all our different flavours saying YES and dispelling this racial nationalist nonsense that NAW Together foment.And I do believe that all parts of the Union will be better off when we do say YES.
    Altho’ I’m just back from Scotland and unfortunately quite a few of my friends are very pro union.It started off in Fife and it ended up in tears, so we just decided not to talk about it.The problem is that Scotland’s enjoying a prosperous period through a downturn in the UK economy…. at least where I’m from. Diageo have invested loads and employed more people.Wind turbines and Modules for the North Sea being built, not to mention those friggin Aircraft carriers.And then there’s the Crossing beginning to poke it’s towers up from the Forth. Aberdeen is jumping. There’s no talk about oil running out up there.
    There are new fields and new technologies to get the stuff.

  10. The sickest of people with the blackest of hearts yet the BBC support them in their propaganda.

    Israel drops anti-Hamas Ramadan lollipops on West Bank cities
    30 June 2014
    ‘RAMALLAH (Ma’an) — Israel has dropped hundreds of anti-Hamas lollipops in two of the West Bank’s largest cities, in a renewed attempt to incite Palestinian popular opinion against the Islamist political group.

    Palestinian residents of Nablus and Ramallah noticed on Sunday morning that hundreds of lollipops had been dropped in the streets and alleyways of the city, decorated with the phrase “Ramadan Kareem … Some sweets, after Hamas has made life in the West Bank bitter.”

    Witnesses in Nablus told Ma’an that they saw Israeli soldiers throwing the lollipops in the streets.’

    /..
    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=708600

  11. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    30 Jun, 2014 - 4:31 pm

    ‘It’s not over, ’til it’s over’ or ‘it’s Deja Vu, all over again’

    {cue the bias tape}

  12. Wish I’d been there. I’d like to offer my support from afar.

  13. BrianFujisan

    30 Jun, 2014 - 5:18 pm

    Nice One Craig

    Thanks for the wee Foot note Mary

    Hardly a day goes By I aint Kicking n Screaming about the Evil Fkers at the bbc

    O.T for – Tony M Regarding Tiananmen Square

    China said that reports of the “massacre” in Tiananmen Square were a fabrication created both by Western media and by the protest leaders who used a willing Western media as a platform for an international propaganda campaign in their interests.

    On June 12, 1989, eight days after the confrontation, the New York Times published an “exhaustive” but in fact fully fabricated eyewitness report of the Tiananmen Massacre by a student, Wen Wei Po. It was full of detailed accounts of brutality, mass murder, and heroic street battles. It recounted PLA machine gunners on the roof of Revolutionary Museum overlooking the Square and students being mowed down in the Square. This report was picked up by media throughout the U.S.

    Although treated as gospel and irrefutable proof that China was lying, the June 12 “eyewitness” report by Wen Wei Po was so over the top and would so likely discredit the New York Times in China that the Times correspondent in Beijing, Nicholas Kristof, who had served as a mouthpiece for the protestors, took exception to the main points in the article.

    Kristof wrote in a June 13 article, “The question of where the shootings occurred has significance because of the Government’s claim that no one was shot on Tiananmen Square. State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the square shortly after dawn as proof that they were not slaughtered.”

    “The central scene in the [eyewitness] article is of troops beating and machine-gunning unarmed students clustered around the Monument to the People’s Heroes in the middle of Tiananmen Square. Several other witnesses, both Chinese and foreign, say this did not happen,” Kristof wrote.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-really-happened-in-tiananmen-square-25-years-ago/5385528

    World Cup …Another African team steps forward…Come on Nigeria.

  14. Well done this Scottish grass roots movement against the BBC. There are small but growing movements like this around Western Europe. Some of us have been opposing this media bias, some a lot longer than me, but now it is starting to catch on apart from the idiots who troll this blog defending misrepresentations everywhere. Here is another movement which stared in Berlin and has spread to 100 cities against the federal reserve system telling news outlets what to broadcast, perpetually supporting war, as Courtenay writes above.

    http://iacknowledge.net/this-rapidly-growing-movement-is-scaring-the-hell-out-of-the-establishment/

  15. I have those same thoughts John.

    ~~~

    Another ‘Craig’ who seeks the truth and exposes the injustices.

    WINNER OF THE 16TH ANNUAL MARTHA GELLHORN PRIZE FOR JOURNALISM

    This year’s Martha Gellhorn Prize has been won by Iona Craig. A freelance journalist reporting from Yemen, Iona Craig receives the prize in 2014 for her courageous, insightful and humane reporting from Yemen — journalism exemplifying that of Martha Gellhorn herself. Often alone, and risking her life, Iona has for almost four years given voice to the ordinary people of Yemen, especially the families of the victims of America’s ‘war on terror’. Her eyewitness investigation of a drone attack on a travelling wedding party, in which 12 people were killed, is truly a ‘view from the ground’ and rare evidence of the ‘unpalatable truth’ that Barack Obama’s worldwide ‘war by drone’ is killing the innocent. Her achievement is set against a record number of entries for the Prize, including remarkable journalism from across the English-speaking world.

    The Martha Gellhorn Prize is given in honour of one of the 20th century’s greatest reporters. It is awarded to a journalist whose work has penetrated the established version of events and told an unpalatable truth, validated by powerful facts that expose establishment propaganda, or ‘official drivel’, as Martha Gellhorn called it.

    http://www.marthagellhorn.com/

  16. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 Jun, 2014 - 5:51 pm

    “Another ‘Craig’ who seeks the truth and exposes the injustices.

    WINNER OF THE 16TH ANNUAL MARTHA GELLHORN PRIZE FOR JOURNALISM

    This year’s Martha Gellhorn Prize has been won by Iona Craig. A freelance journalist reporting from Yemen, etc, etc, etc”
    ____________________

    Has she written anything about female genital mutilation in Yemen, Mary , or does she limit herself to drone strikes?

    **************************

    Habbabkuk for more balance and less hysteria.

  17. Ms Craig has been Yemen correspondent for The Times since 2012 and has broadcast on Sky and the BBC.

    She is therefore not only an active participant in the MSM and its “lies” but one who has taken the Murdoch shilling. Shame on her and the Martha Gellhorn people.

  18. “The film features interviews with Yes Supporters on their experiences of bias and views on BBC coverage of the independence debate. They also give their views on the BBC post-Yes and there is a clear and unanimous desire for change.”

    Er…if there is an independent Scotland, what makes these people think their views would have any effect on the B.B.C., which would then be a broadcasting organisation owned and run by a foreign country?

  19. This is really sad news and bad news too because of the inevitable repercussions that will follow.

    30 June 2014 Last updated at 18:56
    Missing Israeli teens found dead near Hebron
    Naftali Frankel (16), Gil-Ad Shaer (16) and Eyal Yifrah (19), found dead near Hebron on 30 June
    The three teenagers went missing on 12 June
    The three Israeli teenagers who went missing earlier this month in the West Bank have been found dead.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28097164

  20. A reminder for the record.

    ‘Aslan is the second Palestinian shot dead on Friday. The killings come on the one week anniversary of the disappearance of three Israeli youths from the Jewish settlement of Gush Etzion. Since the disappearance, Israeli forces have killed three Palestinians and injured dozens in a massive search operation across the West Bank as well as nightly bombings of the Gaza Strip. The Israeli military said on Friday that in the past week, they have raided 1150 “locations,” including homes, charities, universities, and offices, and detained 330 Palestinians, out of which 240 were affiliated with Hamas. Israel has also imposed widespread closures in the southern West Bank region of Hebron, where Israeli authorities suspect that Hamas-affiliated kidnappers may be hiding.
    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=706357

    Israeli soldiers have killed 3 Palestinians in week since teens went missing
    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/soldiers-palestinians-missing.html

  21. Faecebook successfully manages users emotion in massive secret online experiment. Guardian commentator says:

    “Facebook, I agree with the experts, this little test of yours is DISTUBING!! We are not here for you to use as rats in a lab! Keep pulling this crap and you will lose us all to Google!!”

    It’s got the lot. Google. Caps. Double exclamation. Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

  22. Reaction to discovery of bodies
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28098523

    Read what the Black Watch regiment did to the population of the town in 1939 during the Mandate.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halhul#British_Mandate_era

    and about the latter day violence enacted on the Palestinians.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halhul#Conflict_under_the_Israeli_Occupation

    This is a terrible history.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halhul

  23. Andrew Leslie

    30 Jun, 2014 - 7:45 pm

    That crowd peacefully protesting has been accused by Jim Murphy MP of bullying the BBC!

  24. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    30 Jun, 2014 - 8:54 pm

    It’s a tragedy those boys were killed. The tempo of reporting with breathless alarm is also a tragedy, considering it would take the simultaneous death of hundreds of Palestinian children for them to take notice.

  25. King of Nothing

    1 Jul, 2014 - 12:01 am

    Terrible news about those poor Israeli boys. How can people do such terrible things? And now the repercussions will probably mean more tragedy and suffering.

  26. BrianFujisan

    1 Jul, 2014 - 12:20 am

    Ben

    Trying to get into Alcanon’s Joint ..do you Know if its down

    i would prefer to to reply to Ingo over there

  27. Yes, squonk.tk doesn’t seem to be working. The server is sending back “404 Page not found”.

  28. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    1 Jul, 2014 - 12:34 am

    same for me Bri and Clark. I’m glad he came out of his cave after i prodded him with a stick. :)

  29. The truth is of course very difficult to find and Craig unintentionally or elseways has affirmed a need to correctly frame a story based on actual events.

    Essentially we realise the MSM is only serving the interests of the corporate and political elites. Here lies the rub considering most times the MSM set the agenda which dominates the conversation. An excellent example was the lies fed into the media and reported in the run-up to the Iraq war ie we were 45 minutes from doom or armageddon.

    I myself believe we are at a MSM/New Media tipping point because lost revenue has resulted in bureau closure and therefor less correspondents on the ground. We have seen a rise or expansion of New Media as the Internet has grown to provide feeds such a ‘twitter’ etc and video streaming through services such as ‘Bambuser’ and also social media. Leaks such as WikiLeaks, Global drop and SecureLeak and many others have resulted in a radical transparency without the MSM prism of filtering and lies. The trick here is to EDUCATE people best we can to consume such output. More and more citizen journalism is becoming de rigueur; as an off-ball example I use amateur radio to obtain information from citizen observations on the ground as available in a number of countries.

    We must remember that electronic communication may have started the landslide that gave us a ‘No’ vote in Parliament against the NATO bombing of Syria.

    In truth we are a small open-minded community here at Craig and I accept we must develop and expand. The push-back from our military/security state is gathering more powers. NSA/GCHQ is not looking for terrorists.

    NSA/GCHQ is looking at us, the people.

  30. On Twitter, people reporting direct from Gaza saying it is being heavily bombed – from the sea and from the air. Electricity is out.

    Meanwhile

    Mossad Chief predicted “three teens will be kidnapped” one week before it happened

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/06/16/israeli-teens/

  31. Robert Graham

    1 Jul, 2014 - 1:01 am

    this bias in my own case has had the opposite effect and i guess a lot of people having found out the truth about our referendum and its implications indeed answers to the pointless relentless questions of the naw sayers i could hold a meaningful Q & A with any dumb labour politician lets face it they are being found out how utterly useless they are to the people up here who mistakenly have voted for them and i am looking forward to one just one of the “NO” not ever lot knocking on my door please please let me have some bloody fun with them my first question would be don’t you feel embarrassed telling your own people lies and why are you taking part in the biggest deception since the rubber tank ploy used during the second world war to deceive the germans you by campaigning for the “NO” side are trying to fool ordinary people into voting for what will be regarded as mass fraud and disgraceful deception

  32. O/T again

    Just one of the pictures coming out of Gaza

    https://twitter.com/chrisandrews64/status/483761681051684864

  33. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    1 Jul, 2014 - 1:18 am

    Gaza is like Northern Ireland in the good old days, only with more ordnance and disproportionate slaughter.

  34. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    1 Jul, 2014 - 2:14 am

    Hmm. The detailed knowledge reminds me of how squawks on police frequencies had details about Lee Oswald that would ordinarily take several hours to compile. It is quite a compelling account however, as it’s intended to be.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/what-happened-on-the-night-of-the-kidnapping/

  35. To give the BBC credit, the presenter interviewing Regev in the video on this link
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28097164 completely demolished Regev’s accusations about Hamas.

    Presenter: What evidence do you have that Hamas did this?

    Regev: It is crystal clear…….

    Repeated again.

    Regev who has turned a strange shade of mahogany, used the word ‘Hamas’ a dozen times in the 1min 41sec clip.

  36. Israel Strikes 34 ‘Terror Targets’ in Gaza After Bodies of Israeli Teens Found
    Jul 1, 2014, 12:01 AM ET

    PHOTO: People gather for a vigil for the three Israeli teens outside of the Israeli Consulate on June 16, 2014 in New York City.

    3 Missing Israeli Teens Found Dead; Air Strikes Hit Gaza

    Next Video White House Reaction to Teen Deaths in Israel

    The Israeli Air Force carried out what it called “precision strikes” on 34 “terror targets” in the Gaza Strip overnight, after the discovery of the bodies of three Israeli teenagers who were kidnapped in the West Bank earlier this month.

    Video after video. Completely unbiased and impartial reporting!

    One of the boys was American.

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/air-strikes-gaza-reported-bodies-israeli-teens-found/story?id=24373639

  37. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    1 Jul, 2014 - 7:53 am

    @ Ben

    “Gaza is like Northern Ireland in the good old days, only with more ordnance and disproportionate slaughter.”
    __________________

    WTF do you know about N. Ireland in the “good old days”??

  38. The new CEO of HAH Ltd, formerly BAA, announces increased landing fees for Heathrow to help pay for a third runway. What third runway? Have they obtained permission?
    http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/Articles/2014/07/01/48480/new+heathrow+boss+seeks+increase+in+landing+fees.html

    It’s his first day on the job and said that the T5 baggage problems ‘have been solved’. Bad start and bad PR Mr Holland-Kaye to tell such porkies.

    These passengers would agree. 6 days now without their luggage which is spread around the world.

    Heathrow baggage chaos ‘to last for days’ http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/heathrow-baggage-chaos-to-last-for-days-9572401.html

    ~~

    You would imagine Heathrow Airport Holdings Ltd, formerly BAA, is British owned. Not at all.

    Company information

    Our company, Heathrow Airport Holdings Limited (formerly BAA) owns and runs London Heathrow Airport, Britain’s aviation hub, as well as a number of other UK airports – Aberdeen, Glasgow and Southampton.

    Heathrow Airport Holdings Limited is in turn owned by FGP Topco Limited, a consortium owned and led by the infrastructure specialist Ferrovial S.A. (25.00%), Qatar Holding LLC (20.00%), Caisse de dépôt et placement du Québec (13.29%), the Government of Singapore Investment Corporation (11.88%), Alinda Capital Partners (11.18%), China Investment Corporation (10.00%) and Universities Superannuation Scheme (USS) (8.65%)

    The company is subject to financial regulation by the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) and Competition Commission. In matters of safety and security we are regulated by the Government and CAA.
    http://www.heathrowairport.com/about-us/company-news-and-information/company-information

    Wonderful.

  39. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    1 Jul, 2014 - 9:43 am

    Gaza is like Northern Ireland in the good old days, only with more ordnance and disproportionate slaughter.

    No. Israel has no alleged claim to Gaza, having discarded it. More like Ireland generally before the Easter Rising, but that too would be a poor analogy.

  40. @DoNNyDarKo

    The new Forth Crossing is a Scottish Government initiated, planned and funded project. Nothing to do with London and the UK. Ditto the wind turbines, which are Scottish Government backed. Scotland is ahead of targets for renewables. What did the SNP Government do? toughened up the targets on evidence that they can be met. No resting on achieved laurels.

    Oh and those carriers, which the UK cannot afford to man or put planes on, will be built here regardless. The Scottish navy will need ships and we can actually encourage the yards to bid for outside work and/or oil work as the Norwegian yards do.

    So you see all those points are actually arguments that Scotland is better off doing it for ourselves. That prosperity is driven by devolution. Think what we can do with all the economic and social levers? If your friends think they are because we are ‘better together’ then they are badly misinformed. Not surprising with our media mind. Point them towards Wings, Newsnet, Bella etc.

  41. “The Scottish navy will need ships and we can actually encourage the yards to bid for outside work and/or oil work as the Norwegian yards do. ”

    What would Scotland want with a blue-water navy? A handful of small patrol ships would be more than adequate and that’s not going to keep even one yard going. There’s nothing to stop them bidding for external work now.

  42. @Kempe

    The SNP have promised to pick up our responsibility to patrol the Iceland Gap again. Something NATO is annoyed that the UK has stopped doing. The UK has ships to chase drugs in the Caribbean but not monitor home waters.

    So yes, we will need some blue water capacity as our economic interests extend into the Atlantic seaboard and up into the Arctic.

    BTW at the moment there are NO surface vessels based in Scotland. Nothing closer than Portsmouth to protect the North Sea oil installations.

    BTW have you looked at a map of Scotland lately? have you seen our coastline? with all the islands we have more coastline than the rUK and a greater Atlantic exposure.

    We may not need the ability to project capital ships across the globe but that doesn’t mean we will just have a some fisheries patrol boats. Speaking of which did you know we already have those? Scotland operates a number of fisheries patrol boats independently of Westminster and the MoD right now.

    I respectfully suggest you inform yourself a bit better before commenting on Scottish issues as you seem not very well informed on many issues.

  43. That still doesn’t constitute a blue water navy nor enough demand to keep the remaining yards in business.

  44. 30 June 2014

    I was bullied by BBC over academic report on indyref bias – the Scottish media blackout must end

    Professor John Robertson

    http://www.thedrum.com/opinion/2014/06/30/i-was-bullied-bbc-over-academic-report-indyref-bias-scottish-media-blackout-must

  45. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    1 Jul, 2014 - 2:02 pm

    There’s nothing to stop them bidding for external work now.

    Except UK plc’s preference for dodgy finance as a source of income, and its ongoing discouragement of investment in big manufacturing projects. Remember that Sheffield foundry? It won’t even back English manufacturing.

    The cards are about to be redealt, with luck.

  46. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    1 Jul, 2014 - 2:58 pm

    “WTF do you know about it…”

    Someone woke up without love in his heart.

  47. ” Except UK plc’s preference for dodgy finance as a source of income, and its ongoing discouragement of investment in big manufacturing projects. ”

    Which would affect foreign orders how exactly?

  48. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    1 Jul, 2014 - 4:34 pm

    ““WTF do you know about it…”

    Someone woke up without love in his heart.”
    ________________

    Certainly little love for scum like you.

    So WTF do you know about N. Ireland in the “good old days”?

  49. Ba'al Zevul (Chimp Assassin)

    2 Jul, 2014 - 8:24 am

    Which would affect foreign orders how exactly?

    Indirectly. How, I am certain you are bright enough to work out for yourself, but here’s a clue:

    http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/the-case-for-bashing-tony-blair

    In plain, UK politicians aren’t even motivated, as things stand, to support and help facilitate large foreign orders for UK firms. In our, ahem, globalised world, this kind of support is no longer optional.

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