Agents Provocateurs 191


A number of pro Iraq War bloogers have started commenting more or less full time on this blog for the last few weeks. If you look through a number of comments threads, you will see that angrysoba and Larry from St Louis, for example, have actually spent more time on this blog in the last couple of weeks than I have.

When they first appeared, I made a point of saying that free speech is the basic rule of this blog, and they were welcome.

But increasingly angrysoba, Larry from St Louis, and alan campbell are not putting any rational argument about the whole string of vital, evidential posts on Iraq that prompted their appearance. Instead they seek to provoke commenters into discussing, 9/11, and attempt to provoke anti-semitic commenters to inhabit the blog.

For example, in the post about Lord Goldsmith below, at 11.47am Alan Campbell posted:

“And not only is he not an expert in international law, he’s looking particularly Jewish, ‘eh lads?”

Nothing in my post or in any of the comments had made any inference at all about Goldsmith’s ethnic origin, of which I know nothing and which is in any case completely irrelevant.

Similarly Larry from St Louis at 8.56pm on the thread “Government Ban Protest Outside Blair Iraq Hearing” posted

Still waiting on Craig to delete references to the Protocols …

on a thread where the only nutter wittering on about the Protocols of Zion was Larry.

The object of these interventions is to provoke anti-semites and others to comment on this blogsite. On other sites around the blogosphere, the same individuals then post entries and comments saying

“Ignore Craig Murray’s articles, his site is inhabited by 9/11 truthers, green lizards and anti-semites”, with an inference, or sometimes direct accusation, that I hold those views myself.

The objective of the exercise is to reduce public belief in my evidential postings on extraordinary rendition, Iraq and Afghanistan.

I am not positing that the individuals involved are anything other than individuals with an amazing amount of time on their hands and a fervent attachment to the “War on Terror”.

I remain fundamentally committed to free speech. Contrary comments from all angles remain welcome here. I don’t read all comments – it would be a full time job – but I will knock out racism where I come across it. You can bring it to my attention by email. The only views which are mine are those I post myself.

We have some regular commenters who regularly take an opposite view to me, and who remain welcome – Eddie for one is a good example. Eddie does argue about the posting in question and does not routinely try to provoke strange views. But I will be much more ruthless in deleting off topic comment.


191 thoughts on “Agents Provocateurs

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  • angrysoba

    “Similarly angrysoba at 8.56pm on the thread “Government Ban Protest Outside Blair Iraq Hearing” posted

    Still waiting on Craig to delete references to the Protocols …

    on a thread where the only nutter wittering on about the Protocols of Zion was angrysoba.”

    I absolutely did not post that!

    I have not once asked you to delete any comments or ban any posters!

  • CheebaCow

    hawley_jr –

    Don’t be too hard to larry, US schools apparently don’t allow dictionaries to be used =P

    {guardian.co.uk/books/2010/jan/25/oral-sex-dictionary-ban-us-schools}

  • eddie

    My dear anno

    What you wrote is a load of complete tosh and says more about you than the matter at hand. You don’t mean what you say and what you do say is not worth responding to.

    Kind regards.

  • anno

    p.s.

    Islam states that disbelief is the only unforgiveable crime. Powell’s membership of the conspiracy to simultaneously blindfold his citizenry and to attack Islam by denigrating it and physically assaulting Muslims, is therefore a worse crime even than ruthless murder by Saddam. You knew where you stood with Saddam, but with Powell’s ilk, you don’t even know that there is such a thing as truth because there are so many layers of lying.

  • Arsalan

    With Saddam if you cross him you die. With Powell, if you are an Afghan or Iraqi you die. Even if you are a puppet.

  • hawley_jr

    CheebaCow,

    Yes, apparently ‘oral sex’ in US schools’ dictionaries is bad, but ‘nuclear fission’ is probably OK.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    You’re right – I fucked up that pluralization. That does seem to violate the rule, however. I was thinking of “governors general” and some other terms.

    Btw, as to that dictionary ban – the U.S. is a really really big place, you know? There are many many school districts in California alone. So I hardly think that the Menifee Union School District officials speak for all of California, let alone the entire U.S. Doesn’t it matter that this made national and global news? What does that tell you? That this sort of thing is commonplace?

    I was just going to remark that this is the sort of thing we can expect to be fixed soon, in a time frame similar to the removal of perverse restrictions on free speech in the UK (which we should fully expect). However, it appears that the Menifee Union School District is already moving on this and this issue will be resolved promptly.

    I’d love to tell you what I think of chiropractic therapy, but I don’t want to get Craig in trouble.

  • Apostate

    There is no doubt re-the gamer wish to stifle debate on any issue re-Israel or the Lobby

    If they can convince Craig that all criticism of Israel and the Anglo-US elites is anti-semitic conspiracy theory then they will have done their job.

    As most of us have noticed the gaming team here of angri,Larry,technicoleur et al are so dim and poorly read the idea that they could engage in a meaningful debate on any topic whatever is risible.

    They have abjectly failed to convince anyone that Israel doesn’t deserve its pariah status with the public.Nor have they convinced anyone that the only good conspiracy theories are the official ones promoted by the corporate media.

    The “anti-semite” charge they have sprayed scatter-gun fashion against all contributors who have dared to question Anglo-US-Israel policies and the official conspiracy theories that are run in tandem with them-has been shown in full relief to be a hackneyed elite instrument of mind control and marginalization.

    Anyone with a brain the size of a walnut wised up to this hapless crew of whingeing no-hopers long ago.

    It’s just a shame that a lot of fine and insightful contributors,particularly anti-Zionist ones have now moved elsewhere.

    A shame but certainly who could blame them?

  • angrysoba

    “Anyone with a brain the size of a walnut wised up to this hapless crew of whingeing no-hopers long ago.”

    That would be you then would it? What’s it like having a brain the size of a walnut?

  • Larry from St. Louis

    “Yes, apparently ‘oral sex’ in US schools’ dictionaries is bad, but ‘nuclear fission’ is probably OK.”

    1. One school district out of thousands and thousands.

    2. What do you mean by a reference to “nuclear fission”? Does that really hold up as any form of jab? To be clever, you can’t just throw out words.

  • arsalan

    Let me beat you to it. Chiropratic therapy is bollocks.

    It is something only believed by silly rich people with too much money.

    At least that is the case in the UK.

    In America it is a different story. Because there is no NHS there, sometimes silly stuff is all people can afford. Or sometimes, people are not given important surgery and Drugs because their Health insurance companies claim it is silly stuff so they don’t have to pay for it.

    My son is alive, but if we lived in America he would be dead. There is a drug keeping him alive, which is available in the UK for free, in many other countries including some really poor countries such as India it is free.

    But not in America, a nation where the babies of the poor have to die very painful deaths. Not just the poor, the drug is so expensive most health insurance companies refuse to cover it, so even the children of many rich people die very painful deaths.

  • CheebaCow

    Larry –

    Don’t take my comment too seriously, just a joke mate.

    Please don’t let me troll you =P

  • Larry from St. Louis

    There it is. I was waiting for a member of the Left to justify the gassing of innocent non-combatants, and there it is.

    Wow.

    Proud, Craig?

  • arsalan

    So what do I say about America?

    They don’t have money too keep their own babies alive. But they do have money to invade countries, buy bombs for Israel and keep evil dictators in power(including Saddam when he was on your side)?

  • arsalan

    Larry just remember that America sold him that gas? and he was on yourside when he done it?

  • Vronsky

    “agents provocateurs”

    Guess Larry is one of those Yanks who thinks that the problem with the French is that they have no word for ‘entrepreneur’.

  • hawley_jr

    @Larry: “2. What do you mean by a reference to “nuclear fission”? Does that really hold up as any form of jab? To be clever, you can’t just throw out words.”

    This is you at January 23, 2010 9:15 PM, on the “Threat From Central Asia” thread:

    “Perhaps I know a bit more about this because my 5th grade (when I was 11) science project was on creating a fission device.”

  • arsalan

    What the bloody hell am I talking to larry anyway?

    He is not here to learn or talk, he is only here to cause problems.

    Does anyone have any good fish recipes?

  • Larry from St. Louis

    “Guess Larry is one of those Yanks who thinks that the problem with the French is that they have no word for ‘entrepreneur’.”

    Again, not funny. Not remotely objectively funny.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    hawley_jr, I understand the reference, but you still haven’t explained to us why your juxtaposition was somehow, in any way, clever.

  • Anonymous

    hawley_jr

    What we have to ask our selves is why we bother responding to someone who

    “Perhaps I know a bit more about this because my 5th grade (when I was 11) science project was on creating a fission device.”

    What does that make us?

  • Craig

    Larry –

    are you mad? Why should I be “proud” of something a commenter has posted, when anyone in the world can post anything?

    You are proving precisely my point in your ludicrous attempts to associate me with absolutely anything posted by anyone else. You are behaving like a maliciously motivated fuckwit.

  • MJ

    “Again, not funny. Not remotely objectively funny”

    We were rolling in the aisles when Bush said that. But let’s not get into a US/Brit thing again. It gives me a distinct sense of deja vu. Good job the French don’t have a word for that either.

  • arsalan

    Cook steamed rice. Slice fresh tuna into 1/4-inch thick pieces. (*Make sure to purchase fresh tuna from a certified store/dealer.) Mix wasabi and soy sauce and marinate tuna slices in the mixture. Peel avocado and cut into bite-size pieces. Cut shiso into thin strips. Serve steamed rice in a bowl and place marinated tuna slices and avocado on the top. Sprinkle shiso leaves and sesame seeds. Pour some soy sauce and wasabi mixture over the toppings before eating.

  • Rob Lewis

    @Larry: “There it is. I was waiting for a member of the Left to justify the gassing of innocent non-combatants, and there it is.

    Wow.

    Proud, Craig?”

    Sorry, have you just mistaken my last post for the justifcation of Saddam’s gassing of Halabja? I am at a loss to explain how you might have honestly reached that conclusion. I fail to see how providing some brief but accurate historical context for the gassing of Halabja constitutes a justification.

    For example: if I were to point out that the Treaty of Versailles and the Great Depression accelerated the Nazi’s rise to power would you see that as a justification of fascism?

    Taking you at face value, Larry, which is to believe your claims that you were a well-paid New York lawyer from one of the better US law schools, I find your inability to engage in anything other than the crudest mud-slinging and primitive debate baffling.

    Also interesting is your comment that I am a member of the left. I have no idea how you reached this conclusion, or why you think it is of consequence. Apparently, as you have said, you are a member of the left yourself? Are you somehow conflicted in your politcal allegiances?

    I believe you are clearly playing some sort of game. Or, possibly, you are of an extremely erratic and eccentric mind. Sadly, there are no shortage of those on the internet.

  • Craig

    angrysoba

    apologies, it was Larry. You have, however, spent days trying to goad people into discussing 9/11 here, as you know damn well

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