Dandelion Salad on the Sam Adams Award 170


Quite a few internet articles have popped up, although absolutely nothing in the mainstream media. Here is one from Dandelion Salad:

http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/wikileaks%e2%80%99-julian-assange-accepts-intelligence-experts%e2%80%99-whistleblower-award-on-behalf-of-our-sources/

Which leads me to an interesting observation. The Wikileaks press conference was attended by at least 30 TV crews and hundreds of journalists, from all over the world. But I did not see any other high profile bloggers there. Given that Wikileaks is in itself a prime example of the way that new media can get the truth out as mainstream media can’t, that was peculiar. Did Wikileaks not invite any bloggers?


170 thoughts on “Dandelion Salad on the Sam Adams Award

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  • Suhayl Saadi

    I suspect Angrysoba was using ‘my’ as a mildly censorious colloquialism, as in, ‘My good man, let me tell you…’ but in the context of the meaning of dreoilin’s name. At least, that’s the way it comes across.

    Perhaps there are some mutant wrens in the (shrinking) Amazonian jungle. As their habitat contracts, they enlarge (relative to the environment). It is possible too that some or other dinosaurial ancestor of the wren may have been enormous, the size of a pleiseosaur, perhaps. Just like Nessie. Operation Kr… no, no, don’t get me started on that again!

    But maybe there was a wren among the birds who sought the ‘secret of everything’ in Attar’s famous Persian romance, ‘Mantiq ut Tahir’, ‘the Conference of the Birds’.

    Fly on, wren! It’s the journey, etc. etc.

  • dreoilin

    “Errr…do you think “eliminated from the pages of history” is the correct translation?”

    Are you incapable of going to the Guardian and reading the entire piece?? I didn’t paste it all in here, boy. And I’m finished indulging you now.

  • dreoilin

    Somebody,

    “Dreoilin” is the Irish word for a wren. However, calling me his little anything is just more sarcasm. 🙂

  • technicolour

    Juan Cole a ‘craven apologist’? er no, try a ‘respected academic’.

    Dreoilin: your links were excellent – internet research is hard to do well if you don’t have the time, I meant.

  • dreoilin

    Absolutely, Tech. Time and eye wear!

    As it happens, I speak several languages (done translation work for the Irish Government) and I was particularly interested in this controversy when it arose. So I had read up on it, way back. It galls me every time I see the wrong/extreme version repeated on US blogs – most often as a reason to attack Iran.

  • glenn

    dreoilin said “Are you incapable of going to the Guardian and reading the entire piece?? I didn’t paste it all in here, boy. And I’m finished indulging you now.”

    Steady now! I failed to reproduce the text from a link – which I’d also given – in its entirety, and AS accused me of deceptively leaving it off! But I suppose that beats attempting to attribute views which have never been mentioned, and AS knows damned well, his correspondents have never held. Actually, falsely attributing positions to individuals and groups is AS’s stock in trade, when he’s not polishing apples for thugs that _do_ support positions he favours (even if he doesn’t believe it himself).

  • angrysoba

    “Are you incapable of going to the Guardian and reading the entire piece?? I didn’t paste it all in here, boy. And I’m finished indulging you now.”

    Egadz! Hell hath no fury like a little wren scorned. No, I’m not being sarcastic. Patronizing, perhaps, but it’s all meant in jest.

    This translation thing is a bit overdone by now, but I have already conceded that Ahmadinejad didn’t call for Israel to be wiped off the map. I’m not sure what the purpose is in protracting this when I was explaining my methodology.

    The Iran-Israel Cold War is heavily politicized and polarized which makes me find it hard to trust almost any media source whether it be the Guardian, Juan Cole, New York Times, etc…

    You may argue that MEMRI translates it against its perceived interest but similarly the Iranian media translated against their perceived interest so we reached something of a deadlock. Dreilion, you claim , as a polyglot, to be interested in language translations so I wonder what conclusion you came to about the term alternately used as “vanish/wipe”. Apparently, the Farsi experts at the BBC claimed that the word is transitive which would suggest “wipe”, “eradicate”, “eliminate” might be a more accurate translation whereas Farsi expert, Juan Cole disputed this and claimed that “vanish”, “disappear” etc… would be more accurate.

    What test did you apply to assess these conflicting claims?

  • angrysoba

    “Steady now! I failed to reproduce the text from a link – which I’d also given – in its entirety, and AS accused me of deceptively leaving it off! But I suppose that beats attempting to attribute views which have never been mentioned, and AS knows damned well, his correspondents have never held. Actually, falsely attributing positions to individuals and groups is AS’s stock in trade, when he’s not polishing apples for thugs that _do_ support positions he favours (even if he doesn’t believe it himself).”

    The Word of Glenn.

    Please note, that this is from the very man who routinely accuses people of being “Teabaggers” despite them explicitly denying they have any political affiliation with the Tea Party or its policies.

    It’s certainly true that I have accused people of leaving off parts of a quote when the entirety of the quote completely changes the complexion of the part quoted. Why? Because it is thoroughly dishonest to claim a person is saying X when you know full well that their position is -X.

    Apparently Glenn is quite happy with such behaviour when he is indulging in it and pretends others are doing the same in order to thunder and wobble in faux-moral outrage when he projects this fault of his onto others.

    However, I can’t actually rebut the charge he makes as he hasn’t spelt it out with any evidence. Could you please explain which views I have accused others of holding when they haven’t…

    That would be very kind of you dear fellow.

  • glenn

    AS says: “It’s certainly true that I have accused people of leaving off parts of a quote when the entirety of the quote completely changes the complexion of the part quoted.”

    That might well be, but I didn’t leave out parts of a quote, you liar. Perhaps I failed to quote the _entire_ page for which I’d left a reference – in the hope that the poor, confused reader wouldn’t bother reading the whole thing, and realise the depth of my deception, no doubt.

    You asked, “Could you please explain which views I have accused others of holding when they haven’t…” (not my truncation with “…” , that’s an exact quote). Why, certainly, old boy! How about your repeated assertion that teabaggers hold truck with 9/11 “truthers”? Finding the odd image of a teabagger rally being attended by a “truther” is one thing. But only someone stupid or deceptive would claim that teabaggers typically think 9/11 was an Inside Job. Tell me of one mainstream, high-profile teabagger who is pushing the Inside Job line.

    Alternatively, you could weasel and pretend you never _really_ claimed that, or you could weasel and say one sign at a teabagger event makes your case.

    *

    If that isn’t enough for you to get your teeth into, how about your insinuating that I was bought into the Mayan 2012 end-times doom-mongering, when I’d never come close to mentioning anything of the kind, except to refute your repeated accusations of same?

    How about your obsequious behaviour towards that thug you grovelled your way into appearing on the 9/11 thread?

    I could go on, but you’re one _slippery_ bastard, and trying to hold a genuine discussion with you is as worthwhile as attempting to strike a match on a wet bar of soap.

  • angrysoba

    “That might well be, but I didn’t leave out parts of a quote, you liar.”

    I don’t know what incident you are referring to but I just said I have “accused people of…”.

    “Why, certainly, old boy! How about your repeated assertion that teabaggers hold truck with 9/11 “truthers”?”

    The Tea Party movement began back in 2006. They were quite small at the time but they were mostly Libertarians and Ron Paulists. A large number of them were indeed Truthers and since then many of the Prison Planet/InfoWars right-wingers have complained that their Tea Party has been hijacked.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/subverted-tea-party-movement-told-to-embrace-republican-platform.html

    They still get some Truthers to turn up and one even ran for governor in Texas.

    However, I am really not convinced that you are outraged about smears against the teabaggers. If your concern was for them being misrepresented you wouldn’t call them teabaggers.

    “If that isn’t enough for you to get your teeth into, how about your insinuating that I was bought into the Mayan 2012 end-times doom-mongering, when I’d never come close to mentioning anything of the kind, except to refute your repeated accusations of same?”

    My word, that was quite an obvious joke and I can’t believe you are still so wounded over it. Grow a backbone will you.

    “How about your obsequious behaviour towards that thug you grovelled your way into appearing on the 9/11 thread?”

    I didn’t notice myself being “obsequious”. I think agreeing with someone or thanking them for a contribution is setting the bar pretty low for “obsequiousness”, don’t you? Besides some of your schoolgirl-like gushing over Alfred’s posts fits the definition far better in my humble opinion.

    “I could go on, but you’re one _slippery_ bastard, and trying to hold a genuine discussion with you is as worthwhile as attempting to strike a match on a wet bar of soap.”

    And that is YOUR opinion and it is one that is not shared by some of the other commenters here.

  • dreoilin

    “trying to hold a genuine discussion with you is as worthwhile as attempting to strike a match on a wet bar of soap”

    Oh I like that one, Glenn. So apt.

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