Dandelion Salad on the Sam Adams Award 170

Quite a few internet articles have popped up, although absolutely nothing in the mainstream media. Here is one from Dandelion Salad:


Which leads me to an interesting observation. The Wikileaks press conference was attended by at least 30 TV crews and hundreds of journalists, from all over the world. But I did not see any other high profile bloggers there. Given that Wikileaks is in itself a prime example of the way that new media can get the truth out as mainstream media can’t, that was peculiar. Did Wikileaks not invite any bloggers?

170 thoughts on “Dandelion Salad on the Sam Adams Award

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  • crab

    “Hey, by the way. Hope all good.”

    Not bad thanks Techni’ ive enjoyed some cracking posts of yours in the last while sir.

    And this one from Mark, a blinder!

    ../. Like most of us Julian does not have the whole global secret mafia perfectly diagrammed, and I don’t expect anyone else to understand it all either. I am however optimistic that we should expect to witness in the next few months, a ‘leak’ of secret information about the destruction of the World Trade Centre and I also think Julian expects this and does not want to pre-empt it ./..

    very hopefuly – less than likely, but maybe wikileaks will manage to redeem its apparent mistakes.

    This evening I heard Lord Goldsmith debating the moral complications etc of the latest leak on a radio 4 special – airwave curdling stuff!


    Intresting to hear super polite, somewhat effective “Spokesman for Wikileaks” Kristin Hraffnson on it. I’ve heard more than enough from JA recently. There were a couple of rather good guests on the program but it was as usual, even for bbc4 now, way too credulous of deceitful sophistry and selective recall, to be worth broadcasting. Listen at your own expense.

  • tony_opmoc

    The Real Reasons that I am tolerated in America and they rarely delete anything I write there…

    Is because when they banned my political jousting opponent – who I compeletely disagreed with nearly everything – yet I completely respected his intellectual Brilliance….

    I pleaded on-line Very Publicly That He Be Re-instated Under His Own Handle…

    But They Wouldn’t Do It…

    Hell This Is San Francisco FFS

    This Was a Brilliant Young American…

    I Attacked The Editor – and Said Rather Than Banning Him – You Should Be Employing Him…

    And still they wouldn’t…

    It was an ego thing – becaue he revealed all their major funders – in fact he even drew a map of who was funding who in the United States

    So he posted under the handle no_name – and I instantantly knew who it was…

    His original handle was gunboat_diplomat

    What he wrote about Iraq & Finance – was just fucking amazing…

    I told this American Kid to go back to University…

    The World Needs To Hear Your Words – Even If We Completely Disagree…

    You Write With Great Style – and You Use a Great Deal of Personal Research…

    I Might Not Agree with what you have to say But I want to hear you say it…

    I Have Enormous Repect For Americans

    They Let Me Speak


  • tony_opmoc

    thought_criminal actually – but I guess you get the jist

    You may think it doesn’t matter – but it DOES


  • Ruth

    Does anybody know what happened to the bodies of the 7/7 ‘terrorists’? Did they have proper post-mortems? If they had been been shot in Canary Wharf, then their bodies might have shown some evidence though of course the intelligence might have removed it.

    I think they were incorporated into Powers’ practice drill though he may have been unaware. The train they were supposed to have caught was cancelled, so it would have been virtually impossible for them to have been on the trains that exploded. After that I believe they were hunted down and disposed of.

  • tony_opmoc

    And if ANYONE In The WORLD Does a Video Search of tonyopmoc

    They Get This

    All The Videos Mention Torture

    And They Also Mention The Names of Craig Murray and Phillipe Sands

    What They Had To Say


    What Did You Do?


    in fact it was – but only the really interested saw it


  • MJ

    Good questions Ruth. I think a veil has been discreetly drawn round the matter. Conveniently perhaps the current inquest specifically excludes the alleged bombers so no chance of substantive forensic evidence being made public.

    Since 9/11 fanatical muslim terrorists appear to have acquired the rather foolish habit of carrying reams of personal documents with them, rendering fiddly DNA analysis largely redundant. This is certainly the case with 7/7; Kahn even managed to scatter his in three of the four locations, which was rather clever.

  • MJ

    “I particularly like Tungsten’s link to “disc-your-wee-baps.com””.

    Yes, dead as a dodo. Ditto Freeborn’s “arthurzbygniew” link. The only one that works is Steelback’s.

    A few quotes:

    “Reportedly, Julian, together with his mother Claire and his half-brother, spent his childhood fleeing the father of Julian’s half-brother.

    That father was a member of a cult, called The Family, run by a Anne-Hamilton Byrne”.

    “Assange claims that Aus

  • tony_opmoc

    You can do what the fuck you want for all I care – you can have all your stupid wars – I do not care if You Shoot Each Other Fairly In Battle Over whatever it Is You Are Fighting Each Other Over…

    But I Am Not HAVING THIS

    You Treat Your Opposite Fellow Soldier With The Same Respect You Would Expect From Him

    You Do Not Torture Him Or The Prisoners You Have Captured…

    You Fight as Much as You Want


    And I have Met a UK High Court Judge in a Pool in INDIA

    And He Was a Complete Gentleman and His Wife Was Lovely

    We Were In Complete Agreement – Though They Talked a Lot Posher Than We Did

    We Agreed These Laws Had Been Written Thousands of Years Ago and Could Not Be Changed and That The War Criminals Would Be Brought To Justice

    I Think He is Still Sitting…

    Lord Justice…..


  • tony_opmoc

    Whilst I Did work Very Hard, In Retrospect it seems rather Strange that when I was 23, the company I had been working for – for only 4 years – since the age of 19 – actually gave me the job which I didn’t realise it at the time – it just kind of happenned – what with the recruiting and tech and ops stuff…

    It was Me Representing My Company To Central Computing Agency and The Ministry of Defence….

    What is more incredible is that one of the guys in the same team as me – got invited to The CCTA or CCA or whatever it was called Senior Girl’s – Hen Night…

    We all thought he was shagging her – but he didn’t get invited to the wedding

    So we kept all our secrets

    He looked Rather Like Robert Plant


  • tony_opmoc

    and I was right fucking cunt. I said you can’t send this piece of shit out – It Does Not Work Reliably…

    So They Gave Me The Job in Quality Assurance…

    They Filmed The Series Right Opposite in West Gorton Working Mens Club and The Council Estate Right Opposite…

    But I wrote most of the words in my head in Buttershaw in Bradford when I knew I was getting Fired

    She Was Completely Fucking Georgeous

    A Real Heart of Gold…

    She Suited and Booted Me Up – and Sent Me To London To Get The Job She Knew I Could Do – and Meet My Own Sweet Wife and Make My Own Children…

    So I had Fuck All when they booted me out, so I bought a Commodore VIC and really learnt about computers and women..

    well actually the Women came first…

    They are just so lovely


  • nobody

    Hullo Craig,

    Why has wikileaks not invited any bloggers?

    Ha ha ha, um… because it’s as fake as a three bob watch perhaps? It’s a psy-op mate. And the media turned out in droves did they? Sure of course. They get told where to go, and they go there.

    Who knows whether you’ve been had or you’re part of it, but let’s pretend it’s the former. Thus: it’s my melancholy duty to inform you that you were taken for a ride in presenting an award to Mr Assange.

    Honestly of all the things that might concievably be leaked and all Assange wants to tell us about is (military bad apples aside) wicked Iraqis torturing people, and Iranians giving weapons to Iraqis. We shake our fists, or roll our eyes, take your pick. But only one is officially approved of course. Otherwise the media is all over Assange just like they were all over the WMD’s in Iraq.

    I second Somebody above (no relation) in recommending that veteranstoday site.


    Otherwise Pentagon huffing and puffing aside it seems like Assange and his spook proxy ‘pirate bay’ hosted website push the usual Israel’s-enemies-are-our-enemies dross. Three cheers for the destruction of Iran!

    As for his Swedish rape charges (or lack thereof, depending on how you look at it), this is spook child’s play surely? Here’s how they teach it at spook school:

    “Has everyone read The Spy Who Came In From The Cold? Yes? Fine, let’s move on.”

    Except that Assange doesn’t have to fool super-spy Karla, merely the mug punters who fell for the WMD bullshit the first time round and are all set to fall for it again this time with Iran. Three column inches and we’re done. Cue the punter: “Wow, that Julian Assange is the real thing, eh?”

    And the little spook laughed to see such fun.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Ah! So it is that eddie, after all. Hello, eddie. Welcome back to Bedlam. For someone who was never here, you were certainly very busy during much of 2009. I guess, if you’d really been here, there would’ve been no brooking you! Now you see you, now you don’t. You know you thought you had escaped, but you can never escape, my friend. Nya-ha-ha-ha! And why the coyness, after all this time? Perhaps you need to visit a milliner. May I recommend a superb top hat?

  • Freeborn

    Hats off to nobody for managing to stay on-topic instead of male-bonding all night and exchanging fantasies re-Lancashire hotpot and wives they haven’t really got!

    (Who is this sick dude,opmoc? Bet he’s on a zimmer frame pretending to his bonding mates that he’s still virile.)

    Has craig been had?

    The guy covets media stardom and selling his Samarkand film rights so it’s less a case of being “had” than one of going with the flow. We’ve all got to make a living after all.

    It’s funny but I think he’ll end up like Jane Stanley the reporter who pre-empted the controlled demolition at WT7. She ascribed the glaring error the BBC made that day to an early report they’d received from REUTERS!

    She figured she’d get brownie points for that.

    She does gardening programmes now!

    Craig any advice re-my azelias?

  • KingofWelshNoir


    ‘Does anybody know what happened to the bodies of the 7/7 ‘terrorists’?

    Personally I always doubted that that any of them were actually on the trains but one of the more fantastical pieces of evidence submitted to the inquiry claimed that one of the passengers was blinded in one eye by a splinter from the shin bone of Shehzad Tanweer. Make of that what you will.

  • KingofWelshNoir

    @Mark Golding

    ‘I am however optimistic that we should expect to witness in the next few months, a ‘leak’ of secret information about the destruction of the World Trade Centre’

    Mark I thought the rest of your post was excellent, but with the greatest respect if the above happens I will eat a moderate sized hat of a style of your choosing.

    I also thought Julian Assange’s remark about 9/11 ‘I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies’ was phoney beyond words.

  • Ruth

    ‘Former CIA Asset, Susan Lindauer, provides an extraordinary first-hand account from behind the intelligence curtain that shatters the government’s lies about 9/11 and Iraq, and casts a harsh spotlight on the workings of the Patriot Act as the ideal weapon to bludgeon whistle blowers and dissidents. A terrifying true story of “black budget” betrayals and the Patriot Act, with its arsenal of secret evidence, indefinite detention and threats of forcible drugging, EXTREME PREJUDICE reveals one Asset’s desperate struggle to survive the brutal cover ups of 9/11 and Iraq. EXTREME PREJUDICE delivers a high tension expose of the real facts surrounding the CIA’s advance warnings of 9/11 and Iraq’s contributions to the 9/11 investigation. For the first time, it discloses the existence of a comprehensive peace framework before the War, which would have accomplished all major U.S. objectives in Baghdad without a single casualty. A true life spy thriller that goes inside the Iraqi Embassy and prison on a Texas military base, EXTREME PREJUDICE reveals the depths of deception by leaders in Washington and London to promote a questionable image of their successful anti-terrorism policy, and the shocking brutality used to suppress the truth of their failures from the American people and the world community.’


  • Steelback


    You are BANNED mate!

    For consistent “antisemitism” and “Holocaust denial” as well as taking the piss!

    Bill Engdahl like a lot of astute commentators ran a sceptic piece on the “Afghan War-Logs” back in July.

    He noted that General Gul,rtd. ISI chief,had been specifically targetted in the WikiLeak for his assistance to Al Qaida and the Taliban planning of attacks on NATO targets.

    Aside from the obvious Anglo-US-Israel need to scapegoat Gul as a means to blame Pakistan for their failing efforts in Afghanistan,Engdahl also noted that Gul was probably targetted by WikiLeaks because he had:

    (1) Suggested within a fortnight of the event happening that ISRAEL WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR 911( Um….)

    (2) Said that the Afghans were perfectly capable of winning wars on their own without any input from him (OUCH!)

    (3) Had been vocal re-the US military’s role in smuggling Afghan heroin via the Manas airbase in Kyrgyzstan..(..No Shit!)

    Gul’s “leaks” were thus far more revelatory than anything coming out of WikiLeaks!

    Engdahl was one of a slew of commentators who drew the rather obvious conclusion from the “War-Logs” leak that WIKILEAKS WAS A MOSSAD FRONT!

    Any counter-evidence,guys?


  • Vronsky

    “I will eat a moderate sized hat of a style of your choosing.”

    I’m trying to lose weight just now or I’d repeat the hat offer – maybe for slightly different reasons, though. There seem to be plenty of leaks – what could be leakier than the co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission saying that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, such that criminal charges were considered? There are countless other whistles being blown (see Ruth’s post) but somehow none of it seems to count as a ‘leak’ – anytime we get near 9/11, words lose their normal definitions. It seems the only leak that might get any attention is one from an operational insider – someone who guided the planes or set the explosives. Such potential sources must be very few in number and very frightened – assuming any of them are still alive. People higher up the chain of command are simply not going to confess to treason and mass murder, so it seems to me that hats are off the menu.

    The only charitable interpretation I can give Assange’s remarks is that he is ‘trailing his coat’ – making a tendentious statement in the hope of attracting a response.

  • Richard "I used to be a Walrus but I'm all right now" Robinson

    “Tony – Ambassador Murray specifically asked you – personally – NOT TO POST THIS MAUDLIN CRAP ANY MORE. What part of that don’t you freaking well understand?”

    This seems as worthwhile a point as any to say – goodbye, people.

    There are some good people and some worthwhile exchanges, but there’s just too much shite, and life’s too short to wade through it. I can’t persuade myself it’s worth it.

    Not to pick unduly on tony_o, he’s only one of many. Particularly it’s dispiriting to see that even an outright “ban” is not enforced. Attentionseekers, propagandists, trolls, people with unconstructive motives, aren’t going to suddenly change their spots as a result of polite requests; to announce that someone is banned is worse than useless unless they are prevented from repeating the behaviour they were banned for. There’s no reason why this would get any better, absent actually doing something about it; and there don’t seem to be any possibilities except to moderate it.

    Pity. Ah well, I guess I’ll bump into some of you again, somewhere sometime. Ta-ra.

  • KingofWelshNoir


    I agree with you. The members of the 9/11 Commission disavowing their own report should be shocking but somehow no one cares. But it’s not a leak. As you say, for that you need an operational insider to spill the beans, and most of them are either long dead or not ready yet to commit suicide.

    I think the hat is safe for the time being.

  • glenn

    Richard – that’s precisely the reason all that crap targets this blog, to make it more tedious to wade through, and discourage worthwhile posters like yourself. I agree with you that it’s pointless just to inform someone they are banned and not enforce it, doing so just makes the whole thing more of a laugh for them. I for one will be sorry if you go as a result of it.

  • Vronsky

    Gird up your loins, Richard, and stick with it. I’d hate to think that there’s some cheap little clerk like angrysoba licking his finger and chalking a stripe in the air because you’ve gone.

  • MJ

    Stick around Richard, we need you. There’s an effective antidote to tedious posts. It’s called a scroll wheel. If you find a forum that gives a higher hit-rate of quality posts to dross please let us know.

    Vronsky: I think angrysoba is deserving of some respect because he is well-read, provides useful links and can hold an argument. He may or may not be a “cheap little clerk” but at least he is his own man and not to be lumped together with the corporate larry/replica watches bots. In my opinion.

    It’s interesting how the replica watch folk now get in as soon as Craig has posted a new article, flooding the comments with garbage before ordinary decent folk can get a word in.

  • glenn

    MJ: Angry can “hold an argument”, perhaps, but not an honest one. And what’s the gain of having someone around who’s supposedly well read, if you can’t rely on them being truthful about what they’ve learned? The logic baffles me –

    A: “We should have Mr.X around more often.”

    B: “Mr. X is a thoroughly dishonest cad!”

    A: “Yes, but he’s so well spoken and nicely dressed.”

  • Vronsky

    “I think angrysoba is deserving of some respect”

    He’s useful, as I’ve sometimes tried to point out. I’m sure that isn’t what he intends, but I suppose they need to fine-tune the training. And he isn’t well read – he just has an exhaustive checklist of responses (shit, I thought that was obvious).

    Angrysoba is a well-briefed and skilful advocate, and therefore good exercise. He doesn’t believe a word of what he writes, however, and it shows.

  • technicolour

    Richard, have v much enjoyed all your posts – good humour & clear thought much appreciated.

  • MJ

    glenn: that wasn’t really my point. It’s good to have dissenting voices around and the more robust and well-informed they are the better in my view. Angry is the best of the bunch here. If he is unable to concede a well-argued and well-sourced point, or is intellectually dishonest and evasive, or gets panicked into character-assassination as a last resort then that’s his lookout, not mine.

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