The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
@Olifant
Why is there an “almost nil” chance of Sylvain Mollier being linked to CRIIRAD? It’s an amazing coincidence that the organisation has its eye on Areva. Do we know how long SM worked at Cezus?
CRIIRAD has a YouTube account, and has focussed on Fukushima lately. eg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muG5RbVWvvg
Bruno Chareyron and Corinne Castanier were co-authors in that online edition. (how much is online? Some orgs only publish the odd example online) BTW what is A.G., for which SM of CRIIRAD provided an account?
{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkcT9ScUyhY} were Bruno C says he is a nuclear engineer at around 4.30, followed by outlining what Criirad does.
We really don’t know what SM was or did. I wouldn’t go to the Telegraph for the truth.
But this potential facet doesn’t explain the presence of the Al-Hilli clan.
Is there an answer to who is manning Mathis Mollier’s FB (aged 8) account?
Interesting stuff Olifant 10 Nov, 2012 – 1:38 am. If this is “our” SM you and others are managing to build a useful profile of the man. He is, it would appear, far more than a mundane welder in some nondescript French industrial plant. He was in fact deeply embroiled in a fringe political movement, local politics and a specialist environmental/nuclear monitoring group akin I presume to our “Friends of the Earth”. He was also likely a member of a hunting group, using it would seem powerful specialist bows and arrows killing badgers, coypu, deer and boar that may also hold some similar views and have good knowledge of the countryside. He was apparently 45 and must have been quite fit for his age if he actually overtook WBM (no slouch) on an uphill climb. Age, recent death of father, new relationship and child, three year break from work, all might point to something of a mid-life crisis. It would also possibly make him more in need of income and even financial temptation. Does the three year’s absence from work indicate a psychological or other employment related problem?
I just googled “collège ernest perrier de la bathie ” taken from Mathis’ FB account and got this one here (with others)
http://www.bankexam.fr/resultat/2012/BREVET/grenoble?etablissement=0730044B
Any clue what does mean? The location is where his mother supposed to live (Cohennoz)
Beside, there is something in Ugine and Grenoble.
@ Kenneth: great you find them all @ FB!
(I have to admit that’s strange for a boy of 7 (acc to press) has so many friends- even adults at his site. Is it possible he shared with his fahter for some reason? Or he shares with his brother?
@ Kathie: Exactly what I was thing last night in bed when my backpain started again. Thought, weird to go on holiday to recover the way he did- I personally, wouldn’t do that long trip just for a few days- especially, when I’m frightened an change locks at home etc…. My back would be more rotten than before
Nothing makes sence in that case!!!
If (and distance isnt a factor here this really is around the corner) SM was such a high profile figure in CRIIRAD what would Cezus do with their employee so openly working against their nuclear goals?
Perhaps SMs views have changed since he met Claire. I have been looking at her family’s view on the matter.
So far just found this:-
http://lesconseilsdupharmacien.info/pins_donation_schutzmorange.htm
BB: that’s what I got when I searched page blanche, france:
” Ringot François
Le Praz 73400 MARTHOD”
Big ?? or the same place??
Tim V
“Does the three year’s absence from work indicate a psychological or other employment related problem?”
Interesting thought.
That is IF he was off for three years that is.
It is such an odd thing….and one which has not been corrected by “the press” (3 months, not three years) OR been investigated by “the Press” (3 years !!!).
I doesn’t seem to be “ill”. Maybe longterm leave could be granted due to psychological issues, but then would he be “retired on health grounds”.
It may well be just a “typo”. His fellow workers (well, the one woman who spoke at the gates of his work that is) seemed shaken by the events.
Or maybe if they had asked other workers they’d have said “Qui ?” !!
Sorensen
Photo of lydia (sm ex wife) is posted on mathis and francois facebook site plus in the facebook site of justine blondel. The links to their fb sites i posted here 2 days ago.
Regarding patraeus:
What kind of iraqi contacts could he have made while he was in iraq? International money laundering, drug trading and nuclear smuggling contacts? Did they do some dirty business without the agreement of mrs. Clinton. Simply to fund CIA activities? With drug dealing or nuclear smuggling?
That would link poor Rafael Pietro and SAH and the al hilli family to patreus.
And then, just read why craig murray lost his job. Weren’t putin and london involved in international drug trafficing due to his sources? Funding of intelligence services by drug trafficing had always been an openly discussed secret.
I strongly believe that all this mess had started in chevaline including rafael pietro, paula, patreus, the lockheed space systems departement ceo, the russian minister of defense and the al hillis. More sex related retirements and suicides will follow in due course. just my 2 cents.
Shelock
That might be the same place. Cohennoz seems to be some kind if district. I got the address from their mobile phone registrations when i searched the cohennoz registrations. Perhaps cohennoz is used by the mobiletel company only. But le praz, that is it. I saw the house on google maps.
Thanks Bleb 10 Nov, 2012 – 1:53 am. Re. Luger you may have seen some of my posts earlier, in which I argue that apart from the Luger being unlikely for various reasons (Maillaud even announced it was a PO8 which appears to be the 9mm version rather PO4 which is the 7.65!) it is POSITIVELY RULED OUT at Chevaline by virtue of the location of the used cartridges. All Lugers eject UP AND TO THE RIGHT. This means that they would have landed in the FRONT RIGHT quarter of the car, when in fact apparently they were to the shooters LEFT by the rear off-side of the car.
Tim – I’ve told you a couple of times now, that it would be piece of cake for a state agency, located in a state/colony, which designs its own nuclear weapons and satellites, to fit a Luger barrel unto a Baretta 7.65 or something similar. Just to confuse the enemy.
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The Edge
Latest layout of the transcribed interview and
family link between Hashim and Saad awaiting
confirmation plus maps showing possible access/
escape routes used by the killer(s).
Deciphered orbituary note concerning Fréderick
Brun’s death on the 29th of September 2012,
although we don’t know whether he actually
was in that Pajero, or whether that Pajero was
the one reported to have been near the crime scene.
N-E-W: Images and information of Mollier’s family.
BB: I think I got it why I thought she has 2 salons, the street is different, but I thought Chantemerle is a town, so sorry for that!
2nd reason, for my 2 salons-thought: when I watched Mme. Ringots FB account she has pix of the salon. And to me, they didn’t match to the one on TV…
But now I think it makes sence to me… and the discussion here about that one… it was not her’s, right??
Live would be so much easier if the discussion would be in German 😉
Shelock said:
Yes, but miserable for everybody else – something that I as a Dane is keenly aware of.
One of the best things that have happened is that Americans apeak English. They could conceivably have spoken German – after all the majority of its early immigrants were Germans. That they instead speak English is something we all should be immensely greatfull about. Because it means that we are able to influence them through the English language.
Britain is the Motherland* of common sense.
George Bernard Shaw was the author of the words to feature on an arch over a road in Vancouver at the border between Canada and the US :“Born to a common mother”.
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Note: Motherland, not Fatherland as in Germany. Fatherlands are often very militaristic and self-righteous.
Adieu l’ami salvation artist
It hurts to know all that
you did not deserve this
rest in peace
A Friend
by one tea
This is from Geraldine Chain, she is the journo seen on camera after the shootings.
She talks of not being able to get a phone signal. She has to return to the village to do that. It should be remembered that she is not at the crime scene, but 3KM down the road at the police barrier.
Supports Billy’s story. But how did PD get a signal.
Of course there may have been “patchy” signals where they were or a little way down !
EVERY key person involved on the Combre D’Ire that afternoon has an “odd” story attached to them.
No wonder Eric said it’ll take 10 years to solve !
When is he due to retire ? In 10 years time ??? Nice and tidy !
Oops, forgot the link !
( http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://gechainejri.blogspace.fr/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dgeraldine%2BChaine%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1W1ADFA_esES480%26biw%3D1067%26bih%3D442%26prmd%3Dimvnso&sa=X&ei=v1OeUJOdD4enhAflvYHoCg&ved=0CCEQ7gEwAA )
Ken…
Dutch. Many “high up” were Dutch.
Hence “Yanks”. Upwardly mobile Dutchmen in the New World.
New Amsterdam. The Big Orange, not apple !
Olifant
10 Nov, 2012 – 1:02 pm Thanks for that. So the Sylvain Mollier member of the nuclear advisory group is not our SM? If not I need to adjust my assessment. If not him, I wonder if by any chance they are related or connected?
I stand corrected Olifant 10 Nov, 2012 – 1:14 pm. just a “shot in the dark” I’m afraid. We know nothing about what WBM and SM were wearing at the time. Neither witnesses or police have referred to it as far as I know. I have presumed, given the fact that they were both fairly serious cyclists, that they were both in specialist gear and wore helmets. Did SM have his helmet on at time of attack or was it found elsewhere? Who did the hat on the dash belong to? Of course the police will know the answers to these questions but haven’t said.
Felix compte rendu de l’AG is transl. by google as minutes of the AGM
there are two Sylvain Molliers not too far from CRIIRAD (23 miles and 30 miles). Why would we guess the Areva worker 120miles away would be involved? as a Minutes Secretary?
after the Daiichi explosions people such as Arnie Gunderson, Chris Busby of LLRC and Helen Caldicott were useful views/sources on low level radiation. We have to indulge in wishful thinking to presume Sylvain Mollier, deceased fromerly of Ugine, was interested in groups like these and CRIIRAD. Is a discussion of radiation risk relevant in the context of the Martinet Mystery. Previously Zirconium was discussed, more relevant maybe?
The point I am making is not affected by yours
Kenneth Sorensen
10 Nov, 2012 – 1:59 pm. which is that the official line that a Luger was the killer’s weapon, is at the least of it, unreliable. As unreliable as the earlier story of it being a Czech made Skorpion. The fact that the French authorities put out these misleading conclusions (as with their quite erroneous interpretation of the tyre marks) is deeply suspicious as to the genuineness of their investigation and even complicity in the events.
@Olifant,
Can you pls double chk the distance from Valance ( where I think CRIIRAD is ) to the village of Mollier “The Welder”.
http://maps.google.se/maps?sugexp=chrome,mod%3D17&q=valence+map&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x47f55799c63221c7:0x408ab2ae4bfb580,Valence,+France&gl=se&sa=X&ei=jm2eUOHpAeOC4gTjroDABg&ved=0CCIQ8gEwAA
How do we explain that the PDF where Molliers article is supposed to be included, is cut after 23 pages, and only is mentioned in the table of contents?
And why is not more found of this Mollier which seems to be an important member of CRIIRAD?
Cleaning of the internet?
Interesting clip James 10 Nov, 2012 – 2:18 pm as it confirms poor mobile reception even at the BOTTOM of the combe! As you say rather backs up WBM’s account and tends to support my original telling reported (until amended)point that PD probably didn’t get through until he had driven down from the crime scene. Why has a newspaper reporter not investigated the reception in the area.
Also did you notice in her report she says at 19.30 the Attorney had announced little girl had died before being corrected. This after over three hours after finding the injured Zainab!
Out of interest….this is the road that M. Fred Brun “crashed” on, with his two other friends.
What on earth are these guys doing up this road at 8pm on a Saturday night ???
Don’t answer that as “we” kind of know what they were doing !
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hzvhPn3mLo )
P.S. You don’t have to watch all of it, the first section is the climb of Col de l’Arpettaz.
Thomas – why do these differ? Do S google cars drive faster than GB google cars?
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
A49 191 km, 2 hours 6 mins
In current traffic: 2 hours 7 mins
http://maps.google.se/maps?sugexp=chrome,mod%3D17&q=valence+map&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x47f55799c63221c7:0x408ab2ae4bfb580,Valence,+France&gl=se&sa=X&ei=jm2eUOHpAeOC4gTjroDABg&ved=0CCIQ8gEwAA
A49 191 km, 1 timme 56 min
I nuvarande trafik: 2 timmar 4 min
No news available re this story. But I just found this here
http://news.uk.msn.com/world/saad-al-hilli-was-most-generous-man-you-could-meet
So did you know, they called him (Mr. Al Hilli) “Spotty” ???
I had to chuckle… crossing this word (to spot) with our Mr.Brun, dit “Brindille”
Do we know already if Mr. Mollier had a nick as well?
May be Diggy or Loocky – so we had some connection on that route
😉 😉
-just some distraction between hard digging….
Shellock…yes, you are right AH did say he wanted to rest his bad back.
LoL ……..Driving for 6 hours would cure it…. he thought , well, I suppose it did !!
Poor man, a bad back & 24 hours in hospital for palpitations ……. I suppose that was true ?
James, do you have another link beside this one here re this mysterious accident?
http://www.ledauphine.com/actualite/2012/09/30/ugine-le-4×4-devale-la-foret-sur-trente-metres-un-mort
Thanx
Thanks Katie, but I really doubt it took him only 6 hours from Surrey to Annecy with the caravan in tow. I guess, that takes him a whole day or even more… passing the Channel .. its possible, but I dont think his wife was very fond about taking the wheel for her own from time to time. Anyway- not the best idea for recovering, as already mentioned.
BTW: Where was he 24hrs in hospital for palpatations?
For the record I never said the the SM of CRIIRAD report was our SM
I just found it when I googled the name and wondered if it could be him so asked if anyone could read what he had written about it may be him or it may be another person I dont know ,actually there was another SM in the orginal google with a picture of a youngish guy who worked in packaging I didnt take much notice at the time as he seemed to young but when I googled it again to put the link in here that picture had vanished so its seems to change what it shows .
I have tried it again and this time got a link to a german page with an interesting comment on it but as I am using google translate I may not be giving accurate translation also I dont know if she posted to this webpage or someone copied it in .
{http://www.123people.ch/ext/frm?ti=person%20finder&search_term=sylvain%20mollier&search_country=CH&st=person%20finder&target_url=aHR0cDovL2FsbWFidS53b3JkcHJlc3MuY29tLzIwMTIvMTAvMjgvbmV1ZXMtenVtLWxhYy1kYW5uZWN5LW1hc3Nha2VyLWFsLWhpbGxpLXViZXJmdWhyLW1vbGxpZXItbWl0LWRlbS1ibXcv§ion=blog&wrt_id=260}
“Answer
lisbeth egger stone says:
29th October 2012 at 01:18
On the afternoon before the attack, I noticed with a queasy feeling that we or by a gang of youths from two cars on Route de la Chapelle, (Annecy) were observed in the parking lot. Fortunately, it was possible for us to use a second exit from the parking lot. We also noticed a striking group of very rich Arabs, women with gold taken burqas, in the parking lot of the Beau Rivages. The truth about the murder figure is difficult to determine.”
I then found a lizbeth egger here I DO NOT KNOW if it is the same person before anyone jumps the gun.
{http://www.raiffeisen.ch/raiffeisen/internet/rb0027.nsf/webpagesbytitleall/032325E6F77B39E1C1256C8D003B1E89}
@ Shelock
“So did you know, they called him (Mr. Al Hilli) “Spotty” ???”
The way I read it, it was the caravan that was nicknamed “spotty”. One neighbour was quoted as saying he always called him “bignose”.