My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
This is in a comment from Cryptonym here:
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/shootings-in-france/comment-page-1/#comments
“I copied the few commments on the indymedia site, earlier, just after the DA-notice comment from ‘Manchester based Journalist’, but not including the comment of 15:12 quoted by Anon here, concerning General Yossi Ben Hanan (chief of defence at Paris Israeli embassy) picking up three unknown others in helicopter at Chambrey Airport (close to the scene).”
Have the French police any intention of following this up? Because it sounds shifty to me. But those in the helicopter would have diplomatic immunity, would they? “Diplomatic helicopter”?
Thanks guys, just a few more before I hit the sack. James I don’t understand how we’ve established that Al Hilli was needed at any point, ie in terms of technology or to ‘lure’ SM. Doesn’t it just look like a straightforward case of SM being up to no good and being murdered and the Al=Hilli presence just being a terrible accident clouded by their ancestry. If they had been the Jones’ from Bolton we would all be focused on SM!
Thanks Jon.
I’m off to bed now, folks.
Strongly agree with Jon on race: this is about all decent people of whatever race abhorring such a barbaric act.
ok….
“QUOTE” Al-Hilli’s role. Who was he working for?
And ambers “clapped out caravan”
His role is simple. He developed the contact.
So who would SM meet ?
Me ? You ? Ambers ?
This is a samll industry. Hell I am (forget that) but I know who I deal with.
And the caravan. A) Wasn’t that there already ??? Check the “feeds”. and B) I had a friend in MI6 (sounds scary) but they dont get paid that much at all…hence he left. He got in on the “interent draft”
MI6 don’t have a “pay scale” !
Unless your Sir Faquoor Faquoour Smyth Bremmington.
Hit on thir website.
So what was they paying Al Hissi. 10K ? Max ?
That’s cheap.
@Geronimo
“I don’t think Iran actually wants a bomb, just the threat of one, while remaining more or less in compliance with the IAEA. A new, more effective and far more easily concealable enrichment process would certainly increase their bargaining power…”
Iran is completely in compliance with the IAEA and have never made any “threat” regarding nuclear weapons. They have made it clear that their program is for domestic and commercial use only. They are also leading the NAM nations in pushing for a WMD free middle east.
I don’t think the “West” is really worried about Iran getting nuclear bombs. They are more concerned with losing the commercial monopoly on supply of nuclear fuels. Iran are gearing up to supply fuel rods in competition with the NATO countries.. Control of nuclear energy is as important at control of fossil fuels – particularly for France.
Nuid,
And even if Press TV never published it that doesn’t necessarily mean it wasn’t true. I guess if “someone” in the know was annoyed enough, they might just have put out the truth attributed to Press TV in the heat of the moment.
Good points James. Are you saying that Al-Hilli’s role was to induce SM to supply technology? If SM had already supplied then again I can’t see why a meeting was necessary. He could just be assassinated on one of his usual isolated cycle rides.
Nuid,
Did you pick up on this:
A father shot in an attack which also killed his wife and mother-in-law had repeated secret meetings during a family caravan holiday in the Alps, The Times (£) is reporting.
Saad al-Hilli suddenly moved his family from one camp site to another less than a mile away just two days
dont really rate this iran link i have to say since there is almost nothing on presstv regarding al hilli .. which is strange for them and a departure from the way they treat these kind of stories/issues.
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so its about something else ..
@wankers
The legend goes as follows..
Hiram Abiff, “a widow’s son” from Tyre, skilful in the working of all kinds of metals, was employed to help build King Solomon’s Temple.
The legend tells us that one day, whilst worshipping the Grand Architect of the Universe (GAOTU) within the Holy of Holies, Hiram was attacked by three ruffians, (called ‘Jubela’, ‘Jubelo’ & ‘Jubelum’ and known collectively as ‘The Juwes’) who demanded the “Master’s word”, that is, the secret name of God.
The first ruffian, named Jubela, struck Hiram across the throat with a 24 inch gauge. The second ruffian, named Jubelo, struck Hiram’s breast, over the heart, with a square. The third ruffian, named Jubelum, struck Hiram upon the forehead with a gavel, whereupon Hiram fell dead. His blood, therefore, was shed within the temple.
My question to all is….how do you see it ?
I had ONE serious one (Anton), but everyone else offer nada.
It is fine saying “SIRA” does this…and JUMA” does that…..but we’re looking at ten minutes of “hell”.
If everyone “tells tale” they win. Like they did with JFK.
Say what you think (based on what you see) and then we can atleast say, we “know”.
way to much creepy love in’s going on.
mi6 is in vauxhall for a reason london gay bar central.
chaps take it to the hoist bar or horse meat disco.
or get together in the mi6 canteen.
but remember what happened to gareth williams.
one day you are a happy do gooder asset the next zipped up in a suicide sports bag.
your swamping of this this page is obvious.
Wendy,
You say the fact that Press TV is ignoring it is very unusual so it must not relate to Iran? I’m not following that logic.
Thanks Ambers…
“Hiram Abiff”
Its a story not a legend.
And “freemasons” I can really do without.
Crazy loons
Do ya know I actually thought you was going to post something relevant !
So I read (the first line) then stopped.
Take some Bipolar pills…and hopp to bed.
I’m done with you.
A good note on which to end James (or pause). Let’s hope that there are some journalists out there with the balls to investigate, not in furtherance of any political agenda, but to get to the bottom of an extremely heinous crime and getting the perpetrator on trial asap. There are two innocent children out there with no parents.
OKay Wendy…
Whats your side ?
Please dot say “I dunno”.
Anton saw one thing…and I agree.
Embers777 is bipolar…and I dont agree !
So Wendy, tell us your bit ? We need to get ppl to say their bit, then we can work it out.
I’m open to who and why, but let’s look at how.
Sa-H and family, and SM, and ‘ex-RAF’ man and, possibly, a-n-other(s) arrive at an out of the way spot in the forest near the Swiss border in or around the same time.
It is possible (but not proven) that at least two of the separate parties were there by appointment.
Possibly the arrangement of the appointment was eavesdropped by others who committed the murders.
It seems probable (but not proven) that these others, if they exist, arrived first and that Sa-H and family arrived next. It rests on the reported statement of the ‘ex-RAF’ man that SM arrived next and that the ‘ex-RAF’ man himself arrived last, a few brief minutes after SM who was already dead (five shots) when he arrived.
Were Sa-H and family murdered in or out of the car? If they were murdered in the car could those in the back have been killed by someone sitting in the front passenger seat?
No firearms have been reported recovered at the scene.
The small parking area may or may not be a cul-de-sac.
How, when and from where did the ‘ex-RAF’ man contact the authorities?
Did he do so directly or indirectly?
Presumably his statement accounts for any of his DNA traces on the older daughter and in the car?
How has he been ruled out as a suspect?
Anton… I agree.
Hence some people (with logic) have to keep going on this.
There cannot…or must not…be another JFK on this.
(if youre interested how they did it back then, I have a “photo” guy that did all the work on “the stop”.
He calls it “time frame analyisisisisisis” ! But he is a Professor, so I will allow him that…if anyone wants it, we can find a way to yell… I’ll give it away.
There are two innocent children out there with no parents.
Somebody has to do something…and say “this is the truth”.
Will we ?
Maps and more recent press reports show it not to be a cul-de-sac. Sat Navs happily plot an onward car route as well.
Same questions CD… so carry on.
Good stuff.
How did the killer escape ?
How did he get there ?
When did he get there ?
Over to you
CD says “I’m open to who and why, but let’s look at how”
I like.
So how ?
How did he get there ?
How did he leave ?
French media is reporting that the whole area around the site has been closed by police again tonight.
@wanker, james, anton etc
Quote:
Originally Posted by earthenigma
How is that very important?
You shout people down who don’t agree with you.
Yeah there are some numpties on here but some people just offer a different view. There are hardly any ‘facts’ anyway, just cuttings from corrupt media channels and investigative work via Wikipedia and other websites.
Let everyone have their say. This ain’t your thread so stop acting like you’re a god. You ain’t, you’re a flawed human like the rest of us.
@anders sez
Hi EE
I replied to you in detail earlier this afternoon EE,
I don’t know about you but I am on several normally QUIET forums that have been INVADED by shills. Craig M, ATS, GLP et cetera.
AS THIS THREAD HAS BEEN – HERE, in fact TWO THREADS here, at Craig’s place.
I been doing this shit for 20 years+
Dealing with idiots and trolls.
Maybe I’m wrong… but…
All these NEWBIE NAMES, all OVER over this one itty bitty case, huh?
Why is that, I wonder???
I say all long time Icke forum posters get priority, all the rest can fuck off as far as I am concerned.
I won’t be answering dick from them.
Ditto the shills I’ve noticed popping out of the woodwork the last two days at Craig’s place.
First have to rule out…
1. SM killed the family then ‘Ex-RAF’ man killed SM, or
2. ‘Ex-RAF’ man killed family and SM, or
3. SAH killed SM, then ‘Ex-RAF’ man killed family
only when these possibilities are ruled out can other possibilities be considered.
Tactically likely that any others would come down to the site from above and be in position in advance, and exit by the same route.
Possibility ‘ex-RAF’ man is part of this set-up, trailing SM to the site, if he is not in fact a bystander.
Ambers…
“@wanker, james, anton etc” quote.
Unbelievable. As well as crazy.
Now “Bipolar Bob” as youre becoming known as, you pop off to bed and get the nurse to tuck you in !
Hopefully you may not wake up Wednesday !
P.S. …I’ll get to that Bob !
CD…
Could be.
But what if they were killed after they were shot ?
So… CD
How did the killer leave ? (I’m Devils Advocate here)
@Anton Both Hilli and Mollier potentially had skills very relevant to very strategic Iranian government projects. Hilli with surveillance micro-satellites and drones and Mollier with specialised metals for the nuclear industry.
I have witnessed first hand the brutal abuse of Palestinian children by Israeli soldiers (e.g. a six year old boy kicked full force in the stomach) and know full well that Mossad operatives would be perfectly capable of killing a child by whatever means. I also have no illusions that MI6 could do the same if they thought it was expedient to their objectives. They will have exhaustive training not to let feelings interfere.
@nuid
This began on the London Metropolitan University thread. I had copied the Indymedia comments referred to there, up to and including the D-Notice comment.
The comment here first referring to the final comment there, before all comments there vanished was by ‘Anon’ posting here:
Anons comment on this blog above was made here on this site, it no longer exists, has been erased, an issue for the moderators of this site to ponder. Comments on that thread http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/london-metropolitan-university/ of the 6th of September now jump from 4:22pm to 4:55pm.