The 3.2 Million Euro Lardon

by craig on January 9, 2013 11:54 am in Uncategorized

lardon and witch

The 41 year old “starlet” in this picture is Gulnara Karimova, “the most hated woman in Uzbekistan” according to leaked US diplomatic cables, which are understated. She has had business rivals killed, forcibly taken over the assets of Uzbek and foreign entrepreneurs as well as Uzbek state concerns, been involved in trafficking girls into prostitution in Dubai, a partner of Gafur Rakhimov in the narcotics trade and she benefits financially from the open forced labour of millions of small children picking cotton in the state farms.

On the plus side she is a Professor of International Relations, International Singing Star, World Renowned Fashion Designer, Ambassador to Spain and to the United Nations, Poet, Scriptwriter and Jeweller. She is worth about 4 billion dollars. None of which “career” has been hurt by the fact that her father is the world’s most vicious dictator.

Gulnara also likes to enhance her image for domestic consumption by hobnobbing with the Soviet oligarch’s idea of important westerners. Thus she is close to Joan Laporta, until recently President of Barcelona FC, and has arranged visits and plater exchanges from that club. She has dueted with Julio Iglesias, been serenaded by Sting, and is a friend of Nat Rothschild, Oleg Deripaska and other of the Peter Mandelson holiday set.

That the 41 year old deputy dictatress likes to wear pigtails and cakes of cosmetics and pose as a young ingenue with old has-been stars is a hobby which costs the exploited Uzbeks dear. Depardieu is getting 3.2 million euros for appearing in a film officially scripted by Karimova, but in truth ghosted by Professor Akbar Hakimov of the Uzbek State Academy of Literature (I can hear Bulgakov having wild fits of laughter in his grave).

Depardieu has become an amporphous blob of animal fat; it is difficult to tell where he ends and where air starts, possibly because he is exuding a lot of gas. He looks like a particularly cheap and ill-conceived monster from a 1970’s Dr Who episode.

For someone my age, who was thrilled by Les Valseuses and still cries at Jean De Florette, what Depardieu is now, is just horrible. We tried to overlook his urinating in plane aisles or attacking fans, as evidence of wild charm. But recently his tax exile to Belgium, friendship with the Putin inner circle, adoption of Russian citizenship and now pussy-licking of old Gulnara are beyond horrible.

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  1. Wallace Simpson said: “You can never be too thin, or too rich.”

    I think Gulnara needs to lose some flab !

  2. rebelchancer

    9 Jan, 2013 - 12:24 pm

    Yeah but Craig, be really honest now, would you?

  3. KingofWelshNoir

    9 Jan, 2013 - 12:27 pm

    Yup, you are right in everything you say, with one small exception. Jean de Florette was the light comedy wasn’t it? It was the second one, Manon des Source, which had that agonisingly beautiful and heartbreaking ending? Not to mention the agonisingly beautiful Emmanuelle Béart. One of my all time favourite films.

  4. Craig, glad to see you are back in action!! May you have a speedy recovery!

    I think her FC Barcelona connection was not the person you mention but former club president Joan Laporta.

  5. I like that straight talk.

  6. He’s on a downward spiral.

    Depardieu fails to attend court on drink-drive charge Gerard Depardieu (centre) chose to go to Montenegro for a meeting with government ministers

    Gerard Depardieu has failed to appear in a French court where he faces a drink-driving charge, days after taking Russian citizenship in a tax row.

    Yes KingofWelshNoir. It broke my heart too. A reminder.

    From the Jean de Florette page about Depardieu.
    ‘Depardieu was well established as a versatile actor even before this role. Seemingly impervious to the great pressure on the film crew, he earned a reputation on the set for “fooling about, telling jokes, swearing at planes interrupting the shot and never knowing his lines until the camera was rolling”.’

  7. King of Welsh Noir

    My memory is that Jean de Florette was tragic, as Depardieu’s character is slowly destroyed by Yves Montand and Daniel Auteuil’s failure to help him find the water source his farming venture needs (as his young daughter Manon watches on helpless), whilst in Manon des Sources, Manon, now grown into a particularly fine figure of a young woman (Emmanuelle Beart) exacts revenge on behalf of the family, rights all wrongs and gets married to the nicest guy in the village.

    I’m very grateful to Craig for this post, I personally was enjoying the flamboyance of the latest Depardieu story re the Russian passport, living 500 yards across the Belgian border etc, in an adding to the gaiety of the nation kind of way (whilst being conscious of the personal tragedy of what is presumably Depardieu’s descent into alcoholism). But Craig is right, that acting greatness and general larger than life charisma does not excuse all behaviours, and this is one of them.

  8. Let me get this straight… his announced plans to leave France was a threat, and they were supposed to change their tax policy to keep the fat bastard hanging around?

  9. By the way, Craig – could you put up some sort of warning, so we can at least brace ourselves before looking at such obscenities? We could choose to look later, if at all. Suddenly throwing up into the dustbin at work is rather embarrassing you know!

  10. Thanks Laurent – corrected.

  11. Depardieu is a piss-head, a glutton and a “Googooshager” – accommodated by Putin,
    Monsieur Depardieu remains the avoirdupois of an American fabrication called democracy.

  12. Mark Golding : “Monsieur Depardieu remains the avoirdupois of an American fabrication called democracy.”.

    You appear to be suggesting a close connection between G.D. and America and between G.D. and democracy. What on earth is the above sentence supposed to mean?

    I suppose that since G.D. has now officially become a bad guy you couldn’t resist dragging the US into it somehow.

    Unless demonstrated otherwise, not intelligent.

  13. Habbabkuk: “Unless demonstrated otherwise, not intelligent.”

    Same could be be said about you, pal.

  14. Thanks for your unrelenting exposure of this loathsome woman and regime.

    Its important.

    Depardieu is just a grotesque sideshow.

  15. ‘Out to lunch’ again ‘Habbabkuk’ – the connection is obvious. It concerns the redistribution of income and wealth from those who produce it to those who do not; in this case forcing a man to choose between himself and his family — and his government.

    Countless UK /U.S /IS bank money launderers and corporates leave profits abroad to evade taxes WHILE THE POOR ARE FLEECED in this so called Western ‘democracy’ – now is that freedom, is that equality, is that justice?

    Look here’s a clue:

  16. Another UK retailer hits the rocks. 2,000 jobs at risk. HSBC is left holding the baby.

    Jessops goes into administration

  17. Pauline Barten.

    9 Jan, 2013 - 3:59 pm

    Depardieu is obviously hiding his money in his stomach. He does not need to fear, the tax man would never think of looking there.

  18. ****!

  19. It never ceases to amaze me Craig, that when you post something negative about someone, almost ALL commentators suddenly reveal their latent inner hate for the exact asme person. Strange that. I remember your David Steel post in which you stated off being hostile to him and the chorus followed. But then you realized something that you spoke badly of him on turned out to be wrong. The chorus rapidly died down. Steel wasn’t such a bad chap after all. A very interesting phenomenon regarding people of influence.

  20. Phil kinda uncovered something on the mp3 music thread.

  21. Which of those two characters do you suspect we are wrong to disapprove of, LWTC247?

  22. Mark Golding : still not with you, I’m afraid. Can you explain why democracy is a fabrication, and if it is, why is it specifically an American fabrication?

    IN addition :

    Re your 1st para : you sound sorry for “a man” (presumably Depardieu) who’s “forced” to make that choice. But presumably you are in favour of redistribution from the rich to the poor. So what exactly is your point?

    What has your 2nd para got to do with Depardieu? Since he’s not one of the “poor” who are being “fleeced” (I believe he’s moved to Belgium to avoid being fleeced, as he sees it), are you saying he’s a “bank money launderer and corporate”? I thought he was a well-paid actor.

    BTW ‘nul points’ to Glenn_uk for that primary school playground comment; he’ll be telling me his brother is bigger than my brother next.

  23. Moniker. That’s besides the point.

  24. @ Lwtc247 : but you already know the answer, surely. It is that most of the posters are groupies and impressionable. And the other half of the answer is that they are angry, frustrated and looking for a purpose in life, but unfortunately not especially intelligent (certainly a lot less intelligent than Craig).

  25. Actually, lwtc247, your memory fails you. In the Steel case, for example, I said something along the lines that the guy should grow a pair, “man up” and make the approach himself and request a retraction. Instead of which, he had to go weaseling and bleating through his solicitor which makes the guy look even more of a money-grabbing toady IMHO.

    But as for your criticism, are you saying you actually like this couple in the picture above? Which of the characters criticised in this blog do you actually admire?

  26. lwtc24/7

    All of the regular commenters on this blog quite often disagree with me about individual items. I don’t know of any major blog with a less sycophantic comments section. I think you are wide of the mark here.

  27. Lwtc247,

    Pretty disingenuous point.

    This blog largely attracts posters who respect Craig for the principled and moral stance he took over the horrors of torture.

    Its more than likely most posters share this purview.

    What is your point then? That people on a blog such as this might defend people like Gulnara?

    Why would any decent person want to do that given her methods?

    Looking for some deeper behavioural analysis is pretty pointless,its largely a case of Occam’s Razor:

    She’s a nasty piece of work-as are most of those Craig goes after on this blog.

  28. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    9 Jan, 2013 - 4:54 pm

    Iraq was tenuous at best, Craig. As your physician, I recommend you should only visit Uzbekistan while drinking, heavily.

    As for the Gorgon Karimova, where is Perseus? The Greeks may suck hind-tit on economics, but they are Hell-Hounds when it comes to meting out justice on a Titan Slut, especially one who is a Wonder of the Criminal State World.

  29. Is it too much to appeal for some reflection amongst the generally intelligent and respected posters here (despite the odd spat)on the matter? There’s something educational about Orwells 2 minute hate

  30. They often disagree with you on policy Craig, and that’s great (in ways in which you know what ‘great’ means) but when it comes to ‘loves’ and ‘hates’, well…

  31. Lwtc247,

    What if the hate is perfectly justified though?

    I mean,if the mothers,fathers,sons and daughters of Uzbek torture and murder victims were similiarly minded would you then mention Orwellian 2 minute hate as a herd instinct?

  32. Lwtc247,

    Hard to seperate policy from opinions though no?

    You’re looking for an illogical disconnect.

  33. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    9 Jan, 2013 - 5:08 pm

    Who was it….”You can’t have Falstaff, and have him, thin”?

    If your ambitions don’t kill you; achieving them, will.

    I feel sorry for Karimova. She has reached the limit of material gain.

    Maybe she will write an original version of Song of Solomon, after her craven, sodden soul reaches the Seventh Circle of Hell.

  34. Ben,

    I agree with you’re alliterative analysis however,the problem is that people like Gulnara will never have enough material gain.

    I can feel her disease,to quote another.

    Most of us can.

    But she cant

  35. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    9 Jan, 2013 - 5:17 pm

    Jives; Just being me. Greed, like stupidity, knows no limits. But, hope springs eternal; even for the hopelessly avaricious swine of privileged elitism.

  36. Ben,


    Maybe her destiny will be a special place in hell,where a 24 carat gold and diamond encrusted iPhone is headphoned eternally to her ears,with the screams,wails and cries of the tortured and murdered souls playIng at deafening volume in loop mode forever.

  37. Habbabkuk,

    America for a number of reasons is the best example of a representative democracy combined with a capitalist system to benefit the few rather than the many.

    American democracy is a political economy dominated by the few, A liar’s democracy dictated by fabricated statements(sound bytes scripted by corporate lobbyists) having little or no basis in fact, sound economic policy or freedom and equality.

    The system is not sustainable and I predict eventual collapse as most Americans face declining wages, higher unemployment, and considerable uncertainty about their families’ futures.

    Tocqueville may have been short-sighted in America’s appetite for discovery but his predictions on industrial aristocracy and super-power domination were astute.

  38. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    9 Jan, 2013 - 5:32 pm

    That just might be music to her ears, Jives. I recommend an eternity of bad-hair days, augmented with ill-tempered and disrespectful servants, who deliberately use the wrong nail polish, continually feeding her empty carbs as Borat thumps Uzbekistan on a single-channel TV.

  39. Ben,

    Yes that would be very fitting.

    Maybe also a wardrobe of infinite pairs of shoes,each of whose heels break after 30 seconds.

    Or infinite Gucci handbags where the handles break as soon as she picks them up…

  40. ‘For someone my age, who was thrilled by Les Valseuses and still cries at Jean De Florette, what Depardieu is now, is just horrible.’

    Spot-on. After Les Valseuses Depardieu was lucky enough to secure a return date with Isabelle Huppert in Loulou- another enjoyable, sympathetic ramble into the world of French low- lifes. Real ‘nostalgie de la boue’ stuff.

    Now G.D. seems to prefer hob nobbing with the criminal overclass of the former Soviet space to appearing in decent films.

    Craig- good to see you back on form, and (I hope) making a speedy recovery.

  41. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    9 Jan, 2013 - 5:48 pm

    Yeah, Jives. She would only discover the Pradas and Guccis were Chinese rip-offs ,after paying triple-retail along with import taxes and GAT.

  42. Excellent post Mr Murray. Back on top form. And anybody who missed Andrew Stroehlein’s Letter to Gulnara Karimova last month here it is again. Warning: it contains a link to Gulnara posing provocatively in some of the more suggestive yoga poses. You have been warned!

  43. @ Beats By Dre UK,

    “Can you message me with some hints on how you made this web page look this cool, I’d be thankful.”

    Sure,spend less time spamming and youll have more time to dedicate to making your website cool.


  44. Mark Golding : I read what you say about the US. But I’m not sure it helps very much. Let me explain why.

    Taking as our starting point the premise that commenters are not obliged to comment but once they have done so must submit to enquiry and, if necessary, constructive criticism, let us look again at the sentence about which I pulled you up :

    “Monsieur Depardieu remains the avoirdupois of an American fabrication called democracy”.

    Should we read this as meaning that there is no such thing as democracy, and that is merely an American fabrication?

    If democracy is a fabrication, what basis do you have for claiming that it is an American fabrication? Why not a French fabrication, for instance?

    Why is it specifically Monsieur Depardieu who has the honour of being, in your opinion, the avoirdupois for this American fabrication? What features qualify him in particular?

  45. Should any be wondering why there is so much hatred for Gulnara and the Uzbek regime:

    1. Boiling people alive.
    2. Freezing people to death.
    3. Rape,often with broken bottles.
    4. Finger and toenail removal.
    5. Electric shocks,often to genitals.
    6. Enemas with pepper solution.
    7. Disappearance,rape and murder of relatives.
    8. Continual beatings,for days, hours,weeks,months and years.
    9. Sleep deprivation.
    10. Noise torture.
    11. Electric drills.
    12 Forced removal of teeth with pliers.

    To name but a few methods.


    Note the vast majority of these civilian drone deaths have occurred since O’Bomber got into office. Possibly that’s just because Dubbya never had them available in such numbers.

  47. Guess that’s the ” je ne sais quoi” that makes her irresistable.

  48. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    9 Jan, 2013 - 7:26 pm

    I prefer Obummer, glenn, ‘cuz he is like a substance you obtain to elicit one effect, but it goes South. Such warfare seems more sanitized, due to it’s remoteness. If war required the ‘close-up and personal’ nature of hand-to-hand combat, there would be less of it, IMO.

  49. Apparently Depardieu is wanted on drink driving charges in France and didn’t turn up in court to face the charges. I’m thinking this may be as much the reason for his flight to Belgium and then Russia as taxes – not paying 75% tax is a less odious sounding reason for fleeing the country.

  50. The awful thing is that people we love can actually be real shits. You like Debussy? Shame on you – he was a real shit. Beethoven? Failed snob. T S Eliot? Fascist. Depardieu? Fat oversexed drunk.

    But he was great in Jean de Florette. Pathetic, struggling, faithful, stupid, like the horse in Animal Farm. They should have left it at that. Manon des Sources was just Death Wish, lite (photography poetic, though).

    Gulnara’s nothing. You’ll never have to brace your love of her work against an uncomfortable knowledge of her nature. She’s a nice simple girl – shit all the way down.

    (I hate American movies: guns, car chases, zombies, creepy people who shower every hour on the hour. Why can’t they have movies about people who smell a little, don’t have superpowers, never drive their cars too fast, couldn’t shoot anyone, and when they’re dead they’re dead?)

  51. Ben Franklin: That’s absolutely right. People in the countries making the aggression have – by and large – absolutely no stake in it. We might notionally “support the troops” and our American counterparts might wear a US flag-pin on the lapel – heck, wear three of them if you’re _really_ patriotic! – but the wars have absolutely no impact on our lives.

    The soldiers who do fight in these wars are generally completely unknown to us, and immediately forgotten should we happen to learn of their deaths.

    Virtually nobody who thinks or claims that these wars are just dandy and necessary for our security and freedom would entertain signing up, and certainly wouldn’t allow their children to do so. Those that do are generally have poor employment prospects otherwise, need the health insurance etc. it offers, are following family traditions and so on.

    If the leaders of countries did actually lead the charge, or at least if their top generals did, we’d see a heck of a reduction in wars of choice. For that matter, a draft would serve the same purpose.

  52. true – Depardieu is an extremely good actor despite being despicable in a lot of other ways

  53. Yes,war is now a technocrats dream.

    The remoteness of drone warfare engenders a detachment of the warmonger who can more easily deepen his/her denial of complicity in the horror.

    More importantly however i think remote warfare is a PR tool.

    From Vietnam through to todays wars in,for example,Iraq and Afghanistan the West has been vulnerable to domestic public opinion when the coffins/bodybags are coming home in increasing numbers.

    These new wars by remote technology serve to minimise casualties on one side,thereby reducing domestic hostility in the public’s mind to the wars.

    Ergo: more wars,with the elite technocrats increasingly inured from the swell of public opinion.

  54. The Fog Of War: an extract from Robert McNamara:

    McNamara: LeMay was focused on only one thing: target destruction. Most Air Force Generals can tell you how many planes they had, how many tons of bombs they dropped, or whatever the hell it was. But, he was the only person that I knew in the senior command of the Air Force who focused solely on the loss of his crews per unit of target destruction. I was on the island of Guam in his command in March of 1945. In that single night, we burned to death 100,000 Japanese civilians in Tokyo: men, women, and children. Well, I was part of a mechanism that in a sense recommended it. I analyzed bombing operations, and how to make them more efficient. i.e. Not more efficient in the sense of killing more, but more efficient in weakening the adversary. I remember reading that General Sherman in the Civil War …the mayor of Atlanta pleaded with him to save the city. And Sherman essentially said to the mayor just before he torched it and burned it down: “War is cruel. War is cruelty.” That was the way LeMay felt.

  55. Just popping in and out again …

    Did you guys know that Andrew Marr (yes, he of the BBC) had been hospitalised with a stroke?
    I just read it here

    (repeat from previous thread where I had inadvertently buried it)

  56. Glad you’re out of the CCU, Craig.

    Keep up the good work … If they let you out altogether, we mightn’t hear from you for a week. :)

  57. Hello Dreoilin – happy new year to you! Just happened to drop back in the last day or so myself.

  58. Christopher Tappin is sentenced to 33 months in prison. He may be allowed to serve the sentence here. He is 66 and his wife has an illness.

    ‘Mrs Tappin, who suffers from the chronic illness Churg-Strauss syndrome, was unable to attend the court hearing.

    She said: “Now I can begin to see light at the end of this long dark tunnel, but remain frustrated that Chris’s extradition was granted in the first place.”

    ‘FBI sting’

    Mrs Tappin added: “Having seen first hand how the Extradition Act works in practice, I’m dismayed by the damage inflicted on defendants and those close to them.

    “The cost is too often either unnecessary, disproportionate, or both.

    “We cannot change what has happened to Chris, nor to those who have gone before him, but we can take steps to stop unwarranted extradition being imposed on others.”‘

  59. Vronksky at 7.39 – lovely post.

    Here, for what it’s worth is a list of my fallen heroes: – Dickens, Evelyn Waugh, C.S.Lewis; George Eliot and dear old Eric Blair himself (Eton begorrah!)

    Perhaps we expect too much of people whose work we admire.

  60. This deeply unpleasant and venomous stuff from Matt ‘I Love Amerika’ Frei on Channel 4 News tonight. Frei used to perform similar duties for the BBC when he was their correspondent in Washington. He is even casting doubts as to whether Chavez is dead or alive.

    Wednesday 09 Jan 2013

    Dead or alive? What is the truth about Hugo Chavez?

    Also see these posts by Emersberger on Medialens about the black propaganda from the Guardian and the Independent in the same vein.

    There is also this good blog

  61. Another chink from the wall. The likes of G4S and Serco and not for profit organizations take over the work of the Probation Service. The latter retain the responsibility for ‘serious’ offenders.

    Privateers to get claws into ex-offenders
    Wednesday 09 January 2013
    by Rory MacKinnon

    Probation officers were left dumbstruck today after Con-Dem Justice Secretary Chris Grayling airily announced plans to sell off their service to privateers.

    Mr Grayling said he was looking to outsource supervision and rehab programmes for all but the most high-risk ex-inmates to charities and private companies across England and Wales.

    The plan would strip away an estimated 70 per cent of the Probation Service’s core work, with contractors paid by results in a manner similar to the Con-Dems’ controversial work programme.

    Mr Grayling – who uniquely among lord chancellors has no legal training or experience in the justice system – described his plan as a “rehabilitation revolution.”

    But the National Association of Probation Officers ridiculed the claim, calling his justifications “purely ideological.”

    The union’s assistant general secretary Harry Fletcher had predicted the push in an interview with the Morning Star in November, saying he feared plans to increase the GPS tagging of offenders were a pretext for slashing probation officers’ numbers.

    “It’s all going to be delivered by the private sector. These will not be trained probation officers monitoring them,” he said.

    “You’re looking at 6,000 to 7,000 jobs lost because they want to make a profit out of punishment – ultimately it will put public safety at risk.”

    Mr Fletcher called the decision “astonishing.”

    He said the service had met all its targets in the latest official figures and last year had won the British Quality Foundation Gold Award for Excellence.

    “This move, therefore, is purely ideological.

    “The policy flies against the government’s localism agenda. The government is proposing that the Probation Service is reorganised twice in six months, which is impossible. Issues of transfer and pension deficits have not been resolved.

    “There is no plan for dealing with the escalation or decline of risk of individual offenders.

    “If this plan proceeds it will be chaotic and will compromise public protection,” he said.

    Allied opposition MPs were also left outraged. Justice unions parliamentary group chairman Elfyn Llwyd called the plans “a triumph of ideology over common sense,” while secretary John McDonnell said the scheme was simply a pretext for privatisation.

    “This has nothing to do with tackling crime but is simply opening up the service to profiteering companies like G4S,” he said.

    Meanwhile in Wales, Plaid Cymru leader Leanne Wood AM demanded Westminster hand control directly to the Welsh National Assembly.

    Former probation officer Ms Wood said the changes were a stark contrast to the service’s strong ethos of public service.

    “Rarely has the quality of a service been improved through privatisation and, with the Probation Service, the risks are too high.”

    There was now an even greater reason to devolve custodial powers to Wales, she said.

    What the probation officers think.

    The ConDem privatisation express train is going at full steam ahead. No notice is being taken of the colour of the signals.

  62. Vronsky said: “he was great in Jean de Florette. Pathetic, struggling, faithful, stupid, like the horse in Animal Farm. They should have left it at that. Manon des Sources was just Death Wish, lite (photography poetic, though).”
    No. It’s a single story in two parts (called L’eau des Collines, apparently). It couldn’t possibly have stopped after the first part. Manon des Sources wasn’t a sequel or a cash-in, it was half of a single true masterpiece. And who would have deprived us of the “agonisingly beautiful” Emmanuelle Beart?
    And (I’d just like to add), it was Depardieu’s brilliant depiction of an engaging idealist full of joie de vivre that made his descent into the beaten carthorse all the more heartbreaking.
    While we’re on Depardieu in his prime, one role he was made to play, and did so brilliantly, was Danton.

  63. “Christopher Tappin is sentenced to 33 months in prison. He may be allowed to serve the sentence here. He is 66 and his wife has an illness. ”

    He’s a self confessed arms dealer, a purveyor of misery and death. I thought you’d be pleased to see him behind bars.

    Compared to the sentences usually handed down by American courts 33 months is pretty light.

  64. Happy New Year to you Glenn :)

    Sláinte mhaith sa bliain úr – to all and sundry

    See you all anon

  65. Hmmm, they once “cleared” Sky club for Googoosha, much to my annoyance.

    The very next day I was asked to comment on Uzbek National TV about the country whilst hanging about in the Intercontinental lobby up to no good.

    I declined, being much as scared of the US Ambassador as anybody in Uzbek authority.

    But I have to agree she is feared and loathed with a hatred I have yet to see replicated elsewhere.

  66. @Strategist “And (I’d just like to add), it was Depardieu’s brilliant depiction of an engaging idealist full of joie de vivre that made his descent into the beaten carthorse all the more heartbreaking.”

    Isn’t this rather what has happened in his life? Not in the same way of course, but he is pitiable and grotesque now.

  67. “He’s a self confessed arms dealer, a purveyor of misery and death. I thought you’d be pleased to see him behind bars.”

    Actually he was dealing in batteries, not guns, not bombs, not the things Britain sells to dictators all over the world, batteries. His crime was selling them to Iran, a peaceful country that doesn’t attack other countries like we do. The fact he plea bargained does not mean he confessed, it means he had no alternative but to plea bargain, he did not have enough money to fight the case in an American court.

    But that is irrelevant. What is relevant is that he committed no crime in America. Britain is not subservient to the American overlords, we haven’t kissed their ring, they have no jurisdiction us. If he broke American law in America he should be extradited, if he broke British law in Britain he should be tried in Britain. I for one am not happy about America thinking they can push their perverse version of justice onto the rest of the world. From what I have seen they have the least just version of justice in the world.

  68. i just feel sad for craig murray guys… poor guy got pussy whipped by a prostitute, ‘fell in love’, and lost his family and his status as ambassador, now all he does is sit behind a computer, takes his anger out on people he heard shit about. Hey, i can imagine your anger, but wtf bro? yeah i come from a country where the government rules with dictatorship, but lets face it, any single country in the world, including your sly majesties, sipping earl gray tea, even your country has problems if you look deep enough.

    how about you spend your time on the US and Europe and dig up some more shit to bitch about? I appreciate the time and effort trying to convince people to turn against their government and start a revolution, which gives your what? Democracy after a very bloody revolution that may continue for years? Why is it that none of the good deeds someone like Ms Karimova does that is never mentioned or talked about but its only the bullshit and the money spending that is talked about?

    you fucking hypocrite, u’d sell your soul and you would shut the fuck up for million dollars, heck, you would even be inspired to write good about such people, all you care about is other people’s money. face the truth you failure, you got pussy whipped fell in love with a prostitute, lost your family and everything. i wouldn’t even be surprised if your wife told me you enjoy to cuckold. i truly feel sorry for you.

    please, stay around where you are from, write about your own backyard. just saying you know… no hard feelings.

    i’d just like to end this with a FUCK YOU and have a nice day you miserable fuck.

  69. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    10 Jan, 2013 - 1:01 am

    Nice diatribe. He’s out in the open, and you have pounced like the coward with a shit-eating grin.

    Try outing yourself for the sake of humanity and posterity. It is unlikely you will fare with more than the whiff of shite you promulgate.

    Anoymity is not cover you can claim to perpetuity. Go bargle.

  70. Hello Someone.

    Bad day was it sweetie?

    McDonalds run out of your favourite burger,or the local gun shop run out of your preferred automatic rifle?



    Haven’t you got an underground bunker to build,or a cult to form and brainwash?

    Embarrassing fool.

  71. OMG!

    Have the CIA/MI6/NSA/MOSSAD finally let the drunken janitor loose?

    After 7 years on this blog that is,without doubt,the singularly most laughable and pathetic post i’ve ever seen.

    Someone?..consider yourself a record-breaker.


  72. alan campbell

    10 Jan, 2013 - 1:29 am

    Very funny. So sad what has happened to the definitive Cyrano.

  73. @Someone
    A classic case of why alcohol ,inner anger and a keyboard always make a bad mix .

  74. Also,Someone,

    What would be wrong with falling in love with a prostitute?

    I guess in your pitiful world prostitutes are low down the heirarachy eh?

    Somewhere behind the noble traders of arms,people and drugs eh?

    Did Gulnara order you to post this,and like the disgusting coward you are you didnt have the balls to say no?

    Anyway,as long as you feel macho in your RayBans,ponytail,beating up whoever you’re ordered to and opening her car door you’re cool right?


  75. RebelChancer, that’ll be a “yes”.

  76. Welcome back Glenn_uk – time to relish a dependable voice.

  77. Factual correction: CM did not fall for a “prostitute”. Or perhaps you’re implying that “belly dancer” is a euphemism? That would tar a significant section of the entertainment industry, including some well-known cultural icons, with very slanderous brush.

    I suspect “someone” is well connected to the inestimable Ms Karimova herself. To defend her honour, while deliberating overlooking her involvement or complicity in gross human rights offences, betrays a very selectively sympathetic political perspective. This Uzbek citizen has advanced colloquial English proficiency – not entirely uncommon, but certainly associated more with the affluent sector of society. And the fact that the tone is not only defensive, but insulted and wounded, suggests a very close personal link. Together, these factors point to someone within her sphere of influence (if not her direct employment). Which is not to say the opinion isn’t honestly held – just potentially biased.

    It’s only speculation, of course; but the possibility hasn’t yet been discounted.

  78. We hate it when our heroes let us down!

    Putin, you beacon of anti-Amerikkkan autocracy! How could you take in this shameless capitalist swine of AmeriKKKKKKKKKKa?

    I haven’t felt this upset since Mao let us all down and embraced Nixon and Kissinger!

  79. Hello Soba: Very good to see you well and in fine spirit, perhaps all the old gang have finally shown up again – a bit older, a bit more cynical, but with a bit more respect for each other maybe. Happy 2013 to you too :)

    Mark: Thank you, your comment means a great deal to me. Much appreciated.

  80. Thanks Glenn. Happy New Year to you too.:)

  81. Ohmigosh! That’s Gulnara Karimova? For a second I thought that was Depardieu’s fellow tax-evader, Brigitte Bardot. And lest people think that’s a compliment to Karimova then I suggest you take note of how the years have not been kind.

    Oh, and the pictures on this link are not of the two elephants:

  82. Jives.
    Agreed that hate can be justified and indeed shared, however my point isn’t really addressing the union of those things rather its complement (think Venn diagrams).

    Let me ask all if you think Craig’s expressions of hate make his admirers (of which I am certainly one) more or less likely to ‘buy into’ that hate too? Don’t the people we admire and respect influence us? Don’t we seek to create commonalities?

    That’s all I have to say on the matter, other than I hate that rather beautiful looking woman too :p and GD is a greedy sod who probably has far more money than he should.

  83. “someone” – If Craig would “seel his soul for a million dollars” why did he give up a high paid job as an ambassador over the British government condoning torture by the dictatorship in Uzbekistan – and as for your insults against Nadira, they are beneath contempt. Nadira and Craig are very happily married, with a child.

    Also try and at least come up with same vaguely original insults you rat raping pig fucker (see – it can be done)

  84. Looks like Craig’s post hit the mark judging by “Someone”‘s (no relation) comment. It can’t end well for Mz Karimova. Her father will eventually die or get rolled and she’s not enough of a tough guy in her own right to defend her ill-gotten gains. Gangsters surround themselves with rats and eventually she’ll be sold downstream.

  85. Frank Nosworthy

    10 Jan, 2013 - 8:23 am

    With luck if the Teliasonera bribe allegations succeed in exposing Gulnara Karimova for being the greatest fraudster/robber of all time ($320m in a single hit on the Uzbek state in just this one case) more people will realise how right you have been all along. For a concrete example of Gulnara petty theft one has to look no further than her “Googoosha” singing career (a blatant rip-off of the 70s Iranian pop diva’s name, Googoosh). Interestingly, the real Googoosh has advertised her London concert below Googoosha’s CD on Amazon. One customer said of Googoosha “torture for ears”. Here’s hoping for big changes (regime implosion) in Iran this year, then we won’t need to cosy up to Islam Karimov any more, and then Gulibabes will get a long overdue reality check: hopefully life imprisonment.

    Get well soon.

  86. Fred
    10 Jan, 2013 – 12:18 am

    Thanks for that exposition of the facts in the case. I concur.

  87. Angrysoba at 4.12 am. “And lest people think that’s a compliment to Bardot then I suggest you take note of how the years have not been kind.” I know you meant compliment to Karimova.

    Bridget Bardot was a very beautiful actress. One thing she has not done, like so many actresses have, is resort to facelift surgery. For me that makes her more beautiful than those who do. Aging is a natural process.

    She has however been racist towards Islam, mostly in her animal rights’ campaigns, for example, complaining about slitting animals’ throats in ritual ceremonies. She has put a lot of her personal wealth into saving dogs from slaughter, criticising China for its animal rights abuses of tigers and bears, and I think I read somewhere that she considered other animals to be superior to humans because they largely killed to survive.

    Humans are complex. Karimova is a different kettle of fish from Bardot. Bardot is not a murderess to my knowledge. She does not exploit child labour or kill her opponents. She is much healthier in her philosophy and is not a ‘dedicated follower of fashion’. Of the two she wins hands down.

  88. When are you going to start criticising the awful regimes in Dubai, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Bahrain? You know, the ones that just paid for your recent luxury trip to Baghdad and are continuing to imprison, torture and kill peaceful protesters.

    As you alluded to Gulnara Karimova’s main clients for her sex slave business are from those very countries. They surely can’t be interested in both the plight of the Palestinians in Israeli prisons while at the same time behaving in such a blatantly hypocritical fashion – and who’s providing this veneer of respectability to these vile regimes? And for what price I might add?

  89. Isn’t she a close friend of prince Andrew, who is also rather tubby?

  90. I didn’t know that there was a Karimov sister, Lola. She is in this list along with Gulnara.

    Anyone know who Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty are?

  91. Chapter and verse.

    Andrew Stroehlein: Letter to Gulnara Karimova

  92. Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty were big during the Cold War. I think the former broadcast in the Eastern European languages and the latter in Russian. Both based in West Germany and financed by the US.
    I thought they were wound up after the fall of communism.

  93. LemonPuffs

    I have no problem at all criticising the appalling regimes in Saudi Arabia, dubai and the rest of the Gulf – there is a search box at the top right. Stick in Dubai or Saudi and see what you find.

  94. Daniel

    Spot on mate! Don’t know why Craig swerved that one.

  95. Desipte the complete odiousness of Karimova your description of Depardieu has caused me great mirth. :D

  96. As far as I know, persons linked to Gulnara are subject to money laundering investigations in Switzerland relating to a Coke JV in Uzbekistan.

  97. John Goss: She has however been racist towards Islam, mostly in her animal rights’ campaigns, for example, complaining about slitting animals’ throats in ritual ceremonies. She has put a lot of her personal wealth into saving dogs from slaughter, criticising China for its animal rights abuses of tigers and bears, and I think I read somewhere that she considered other animals to be superior to humans because they largely killed to survive.

    While there is no such thing as “racist towards Islam”, she most certainly has been a long-term supporter of the fascist Front National even campaigning for Marine Le Pen. She’s certainly an anti-Muslim bigot, nevermind her animal rights issues with halal or kosher food preparation.

    As for her claim that other animals are superior to humans because they “largely” (certainly not exclusively) kill to survive, that in itself is an anthropocentric viewpoint. Other animals generally don’t care about the fate of other animals; such is nature.

    Karimova is a different kettle of fish from Bardot. Bardot is not a murderess to my knowledge. She does not exploit child labour or kill her opponents. She is much healthier in her philosophy and is not a ‘dedicated follower of fashion’. Of the two she wins hands down.
    Oh, I don’t consider her on a par with Karimova. However, she is completely on a par with Depardieu and they even share the same noble stance on plastic surgery by the looks of things.

  98. Keith Crosby

    10 Jan, 2013 - 4:01 pm

    At least he didn’t skive of to America, she’s strictly an amateur tyrant.

  99. Jives, at 7.04am yesterday, lists 12 kinds of torture carried out by the Uzbek govt./dictator/authorities, which explain the hatred felt for Gulnara and the Uzbek regime.

    I should say that 10 of those 12 tortures (the exceptions being boiling people alive and freezing them to death) are also practised by the Assad regime (father and son).

    Could that possibly explain the hatred felt for Bashir and the Syrian regime?

    Just asking!

  100. PS – I’m sure that many of you who rail on this blog against the attempts to rid Syria of the Assad dictatorship would, in inconsistent manner, positively welcome the removal from Uzbekistan of the Karimov dictatorship.

    Are my suspicions correct?

  101. Thanks for all the extra info on this celebrity item dispatched to the Moscow cold.
    Someone seem to get his hookers cross wired, like, Ms. Karimova, how come she’s still a Ms., could someone, or nobody, not make a difference for her? sweep her of her feet, or is she the one who prostitutes herself? for business, profits and anybody who can pay her enough?

    I believe to have read somewhere that she is paying some 10 million/annum, her blood money gained from slave child labour and torture, to support Barcelona FC.

    Radio Europe and RFL are CIA infested outfits Mary, cold war leftovers still are dependent on US taxpayers for spreading of bilious propaganda and shit stirring.
    Bring on the secession of US states from the federation!

  102. Oh, so Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty are still operational? I didn’t know that.

    But re. Nevermind’s silly comment about them “spreading bilious propaganda and shit stirring”, well, of course they were propaganda stations aimed at providing
    news from the West (remember those were the days when you couldn’t buy a western newspaper in the USSR, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, etc, etc, and then once you could they were only communist papers like L’Unita’, The Daily Worker, etc)

    I also seem to remember a heck of a lot of propaganda emanating from Radio Moscow and the radios of the satellite states at that time – presumably KGB “infested” stations.

  103. Habbakuk

    I don’t believe anyone here “supports” Assad. The point being made is that “the West” is duplictious with its rhetoric and in how it deals with unsavoury regimes, willing to ignore abuses of power in favour of strategic or financial interests (Uzbekistan, Saudi, etc.), whilst its activities in countries not amenable to its interests are dressed up as “humanitarian intervention” (Libya, Syria) and “liberation” (Iraq) to gain moral legitimacy for waging wars that inevetably kill thousands.

    You can, I’m sure, see this, so I don’t know why you take the cheap shot that if one doesn’t suppport the removal of Assad to the benefit of external interests, one must therefore support Assad and everything he does. It really is a low-grade, “you’re with us, or you’re with the terrorists” style of argument.

    The consequences of Western-backed regime change would likely be worse for the people of Syria than the continuation of Assad’s rule, wouldn’t you say? And wouldn’t you agree, given that the stated motives for intervention are entirely spurious, that if regime change is effected, it must be carried out by the Syrians themselves?

    Of course, there are many more complexities involved, such as who the so-called “activists” really are, but for the purposes of this conversation, and given that you are probably trolling, I’ll go along with the idea that they are facebooking freedom-fighters trying to organise democracy on their mobile phones.

  104. Gulnara looks like a Bangkok ladyboy.

    I think we should be told.

  105. @ Giles

    Have I accused anyone of “supporting” President Assad?

    In the first para of your comment you accuse the west of being duplicitous and, in effect, applying double standards according to their own advantage. I’m sure that’s correct. And it is equally correct that many commenters on this blog are, alongside Craig, loud in their denunciation of President Karimov and his regime but remain pretty silent when it comes to the equally – no, more (because it’s been around longer) – horrible Assad regime of father and son. And the reason they act so is that they also have double standards according to their own advantage : the “advantage” for them being that since it is the US and European powers which are spearheading moves to get rid of President Assad, such moves are by definiton bad.

    Re your 3rd para : no, I wouldn’t say that the consequences of western-backed regime change would be worse for the Syrian people than the continuation of Assad’s rule. Yuo are making an assertion and I happen to disagree with it. At best, your assertion is non-proven. And finally, of course, ideally, regime change should be carried out by the Syrians themselves. But please note (1) thaat there are quite a lot of Syrians involved to the best of my knowledge and (2) a little coup de pouce is never unhelpful (examples : the end of the Nazi regime; the end of the Soviet Union…)

  106. ‘Consequences forgotten’ or ignored in unweighted spats that focus on the brutal Assad or Hussein or Gaddafi or Bush or Netanyahu is of course the elephant in the psyche room.

    Take out the pith and the debate becomes exclusive and leans personal. It is the ramifications of the aftermath where the serious thinker gains insight, not in the examination and determination of a love/hate usurper merry-go-round that has manifested here from self-indulgence.

  107. “I wouldn’t say that the consequences of western-backed regime change would be worse for the Syrian people than the continuation of Assad’s rule.”

    For once we witness a clear-cut statement. The poison bottle HAS BEEN CORKED for me guys; the aftermaths of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and very nearly Syria; the agony of slaughtered families and broken bodies has left my eyes blind to idiots, my ears deaf to the belligerent schlemiel and my mouth shut aghast.

  108. Situation on the ground in Syria: “The FSA continues to shine like a dead star”

  109. Who’s the power behind the throne in Uzbekistan?

    I’m thinking of Kazakhstan, where there’s also a dictator, namely Sultan Nazarbayev.

    Like Karimov, Nazarbayev too was once in the Soviet Politburo. The power behind Nazarbayev is Alexander Mashkevitch from Kyrgyzstan, whom the British media now describe, without batting an eyelid, as a “London-based Israeli businessman”. Mashkevitch was a long-time head of Euro-Asian Jewish Congress. He says he aims to form a Jewish al-Jazeera. No flies on him!

    Anyone who has been to Astana, the new capital of Kazakhstan, can attest to the sheer scale of Nazarbayev’s insanity, and the fear in which most of the population live.

    The culture in Kazakhstan is one of a Stalinist despotism westernised with a fanatical free-market culture (i.e. thugs everywhere – don’t get in the way of anyone who’s rich!), using theme-park, Hollywoodised versions of both Islam and Christianity.

    Nazarbayev’s son-in-law, Rakhat Aliyev, wrote a book Godfather-in-Law, which is supposed to have been published in English as well as in German, but seems impossible to get hold of in English.

    Back to Uzbekistan: what’s the British-Uzbek Society, registered in Brighton? Anyone heard of it?

  110. theme-park, Hollywoodised versions of both Islam and Christianity“…mixed with the nutso nationalist cult that has been built up in the last 20 years too, which brings together images to do with a bird laying an egg on a tower, the Russians being our friends for centuries, the “struggle” for “independence” (you what?), and oh yes, Nazarbayev as the new Ataturk. (For those who don’t know, the main official language in Kazakhstan is Russian.)

    Tony Blair has set up shop in Kazakhstan.

    The Nazarbayev regime in Kazakhstan and the Karimov regime in Uzbekistan are supported to the max by US big business and by MI6 and the business interests it serves in Britain.

    This may eventually change in Uzbekistan, where the Karimovs recently did a vanishing act with billions of dollars of looted money in Switzerland, as their vehicle Zeromax went into administration and…whoops!…where did all the money go?

  111. @John Goss – how can someone be racist towards Islam? Unlike Sikhism, traditional Hinduism, and of course Judaism, Islam is not an ethnic religion. Which is not to say that most racists aren’t complete boneheads.

  112. ‘no, I wouldn’t say that the consequences of western-backed regime change would be worse for the Syrian people than the continuation of Assad’s rule.’

    Really Habakkuk ? Quite a few people in Aleppo are having second thoughts, according to this report-

  113. Rebelchancer, she’s juat ‘wow’, isn’t she?

  114. Yes, OldMark, really!

    But only time will tell.

    In my post of yesterday I denied accusing anyone of supporting the Assad regime, but I’m beginning to wonder if I wasn’t too hasty in saying that. What I do notice – on this blog, at least (less so, of course, in the outside, real world)is a pronounced reluctance to call Assad what he really is, ie, a corrupt, brutal, self-enriching tyrant and dirty swine. This is due, probably, less to genuine liking for the man than to anti-Israel, anti-American and even anti-European feeling. As long as Assad counts as an enemy to Israel and the US, it’s better that he should stay in power and never mind the nature of his regime.

    That’s it, isn’t it?

  115. No that isn’t it Habbabuk – this is a ‘real’ humanitarian blog – probably the best altruistic arena in cyberspace and certainly blessed by extraordinary insight. Humane affirms humankind compassion, and in that paradigm a countries leader rules by the consent of its citizens.

    Tyrants are eventually removed as we witnessed during the Arab spring and not by hypocritical beguiling Western powers lacking cultural knowledge with geopolitical agendas who engage kingdoms such as Qatar and Saudi whose terrorists enact genocide by death squads and use false-flag attempts to deceptively assemble favorable world opinion; a preemptive divide then rule by their own suitably remolded puppets programmed to accept bribes and military presence while the countries resources flow into Western coffers.

  116. English Knight

    11 Jan, 2013 - 11:42 am

    Per Habbabkyke (and kempe?) – “Assad what he really is, ie, a corrupt, brutal, self-enriching tyrant and dirty swine”

    Straight from the Debkafile site, I presume !

    If he were how come a Syrian voter turnout for the new constitution referendum of 57% (of 14m voters in population of 22m) despite insecurity. Admittedly unobserved.

  117. No, I’m sorry, Mark Golding, but that IS it. It’s a case of hating the US and western nations so much that whatever they do is wrong – even if they are helping to get rid of a despicable regime such as the Assad dynastic dictatorship.

    Your comment above is such a dog’s breakfast it’s difficult to know where to start. The style doesn’t aid understanding, but let me pick out just 5 points for now :

    1/. “this is a “real’ humanitarian blog” : are you referring to your post or to Craig Murray’s blog as a whole? In both cases, I do think you’re going slightly over the top when you characterise it as “the best altruistic area in cyberspace” and “blesssed by extraordinary insight”. Let’s not exaggerate, eh? Anyway, your claim is irrelevant to the subject matter.

    2/. “a countries (sic) leader rules by the consent of its citizens” : again, your language and style makes it difficult to see the point you’re trying to make, but are you trying to say that Assad Junior is there through the choice of the Syrian citizen? Can you just recall for me the date of the last elections? And if what I think you’re saying is correct, then it would seem that a lot of Syrians have now changed their minds and are no longer consenting to his rule.

    3/. You appear to be saying that tyrants are eventually removed through Arab Spring type events. Sometimes, yes (Tunisia), but sometimes also with a little help from outside. Why not? Help democratic and freedom loving forces, surely?

    4/. “Western powers lacking cultural knowledge” : how much cultural knowledge does it need to recognise someone as a horrible dictator? Moreover, you seem – perhaps without realising it – to be coming quite close to the position of those who say ‘democracy is not the Arab way and won’t/doesn’t work there’. This position, by the way, is held by various neo-cons and was publically upheld the other day by one of the Gulf rulers. You find yourself in curious company, to say the least.

    5/. “while the countries (sic) ressources flow into Western coffers”. In the case of Syria, what would those ressources be, exactly? The famous Iraqi oil, the famous Afghanistan gas supply route, or the posiutiion of the country as a conduit for Iran? Just asking!

  118. Just saw yours, English Knight!

    The 57% you mention (even praise, I think), was that the voter turnout? Could you just remind us what was the percentage of “yes” votes? Not, I hope, a Stalinist 99% or similar?

  119. Fuck off Habbabkuk – you are a waste of space.

  120. That’s what I like, Mark Golding – reasoned argument!

    (PS – use of word “fuck” = mental impoverishment)

  121. You putrified the ‘argument’ Habbabkuk with peculiar sideswipes on format I judge repulsive. You then reply in bullet points which likewise I determine arrogant, egotistical and rude. You are a prat Habbabkuk and the only impoverishment in my frame is the malnutrition left in countries smashed by those zombie morons in which I place your own ignorant and shallow mind-set.

    I do not suffer fools gladly Habbabkuk and I have had enough of your loquacious dribble.

  122. Mark Golding – are you drunk?

  123. The burly lady with the Spanish accent, carrying you daily dose of green liquid and pills will be round soon Habbabkuk, no need to get all anxious and delirious.

    look…. here she is, there there, you feel better soon.

  124. Never a mind would suit you better :)

  125. Dr.Dade i presume?

  126. Rebelchancer

    11 Jan, 2013 - 7:57 pm


    I mean, how many dictator’s daughters…well..I reckon after a few single malts Craig would be in like Flynn. Isn’t she also very close to Roger de Courcey? She just has it all eh? Everything except a conscience.

  127. Habbabuk – there were multiparty elections in Syria last May, after Assad changed the constitution to legalise opposition parties and end the one party Ba’athist state, as reported by the BBC on 16th May 2011 ‘Syria election results show support for reforms, says Assad’

    It’s true that Assad’s forces have committed many crimes and murders, including targeting unarmed protesters, the wounded, ambulances and medics – though the idea that this is western governments’ motive for opposing him is pretty far fetched since it hasn’t stopped them arming or supporting the Bahraini, Saudi or Yemeni dictatorships (the last using mortars and sniper rifles repeatedly on unarmed protesters)

    Many of those fighting Assad also target civilians though – including members of Al Qa’ida and the Syrian Al Nusrah who are backed by the Saudis – who are murdering employees of state TV stations and other civilian employees of Assad

    There have also been credible reports of massacres of Alawites by Sunni jihadists

    So it’s not a simple picture of evil dictator vs lovely freedom fighters – and much of the Syrian opposition is opposed to armed rebellion against Assad because it’s leading to an increase in sectarian violence and may lead to a long bloody civil war like the one continuing in Iraq and past civil wars in Lebanon.

    All this makes arming and encouraging the armed rebels not such a clearly good policy as you’re suggesting – gradual reform, even if it means power sharing with Assad for some time, might well be better than bloody sectarian civil war involving atrocities by both sides – especially as the best armed and funded armed opponents of Assad are not democrats by extreme Sunni Jihadists, meaning there’s no guarantee (or even likelihood) of democracy if they overthrow Assad

    sources on all of this on my blogpost on it here

  128. p.s I’m not a fan of his Assad – and his father was certainly responsible for massacres, but what choice does he really have but to hang on now, given the example of the “justice” meted out to Gadaffi? Would you quit power if you thought the likely result was that you, your family and your supporters would be tortured to death?

    Assad’s regime is guilty of many crimes in murdering civilians – so are many of his enemies. Neither side winning by force is likely to result in anything except more atrocities

  129. ” there were multiparty elections in Syria last May, after Assad changed the constitution to legalise opposition parties and end the one party Ba’athist state ”

    Yes but under that constitution all other political parties have to have the permission and approval of the government. Makes you wonder just how opposed to Assad they could be.

    Civil wars always sem to be the bloodiest and most vicious of all conflicts with atrocities commited by both sides and Syria is no exception. One option for Assad might be to accept exile in Russia or Saudi Arabia. As with most dictators he’s probably got enough stashed away in Switzerland to fund a comfortable retirement.

  130. Uzbek in the UK

    15 Jan, 2013 - 1:58 pm

    Well, finally Mr Murray decided to have a go at G.D. I think I posted the link to fergananews good few weeks ago.
    Mark Golding, I somewhat share your anti-American sentiments but what you fail to recognise (or at least mention) is that G.D. was now officially accommodated by Mafia State – Russian Federation. For those of you who unaware to get Russian citizenship is somewhat much harder than getting British or US citizenships put together. G.D was awarded Russian citizenship in a matter of few days. Has it also anything to do with him being product of plutocratic American democracy?

    And not as far as today Putin’s puppet prime minister ex-president Medvedev openly argued (in rare public criticism) that it is only president (Putin) who can judge on effectiveness of Russian government ministers. Says a lot about effectiveness of Mafia State.

    Is this an alternative Mark Golding is suggesting?

  131. Uzbek in the UK

    15 Jan, 2013 - 2:18 pm

    British Uzbek Society is karimov’s lobby. One of the things to get from them is recognition of Andijan Massacre as fight of uzbek butchers against terrorists by their well known member “Prof” Akiner.
    You do equate Karimov and Nazarbayev. I agree with you on the form but not on the substance. Despite being dictator Nazarbayev hardly keeps 10.000 Kazakhs in prison for political charges and boil some of them alive. He is crazy bastard but he hardly as unpopular as karimov in Uzbekistan. Nazarbayev does effectively preside over corrupt state but it is Uzbekistan that is widely (and well deservingly) acknowledged as one of the most corrupt states in the world.
    This comparative positivity towards Nazarbayev might not be solely due to his own will. Kazakhstan has over 45% of Slav population (the largest outside of Russia and Ukraine) and this is the main factor that does not allow Nazarbayev to turn Kazakhstan to virtual Uzbekistan (turning whole population into slaves). Keeping Slavs better off in Kazakhstan than they would be joining Russia was main Nazarbayev’s motto. Otherswise days of Kazakhstan would be numbered.

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