Uzbek Cotton Slavery Campaign 1094


I am delighted that a new canpaign has started today against the state enforced child slavery in the uzbek cotton industry, especially as this campaign originates in Germany, where a significant portion of society appears to have finally woken up to the reality of the German government’s appalling complicity in the Nazi style regime and atrocities of Karimov.

However in the UK it remains the case that since the coalition government came to power, there has not been one single government statement on the human rights atrocities in Uzbekistan or – even more damning of our sham democracy – one single statement or question from New Labour.


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  • Fred

    ‘It’s not just that ‘Prince’ Harry is dimwitted enough, and dissociated enough from the reality that the illegal invaders have caused in Afghanistan, to call war a “game”.’

    Let’s face it, if he were honest he would have “I kill babies for a living” written across his hat.

    http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/13546-drone-strikes-are-causing-child-casualties

    Pictures of the children he has killed. Were they bad people? Had they done anything to him? No. So why the hell is he over there helping to murder them.

  • nevermind

    O/T

    14.7 billion spent on Christmas shopping (bombs guns and whoopsadaisies), paedophile investigations and continuing cover up, winter warmers for the elderly and extra salt for the bins.

    yesterdays statement, re Algeria, pledging this that and the other to a French nation who is skinned, indeed back pedalling to get Germany’s Gold reserves back to Berlin, is wishful thinking.

    HOW LONG DO THEY THINK WE WILL PAY FOR THEIR MILITARY ESCAPADES? Trying to soap us blind with their royal stories, whilst the real stories are kept under the radar.
    Whilst the princely lion has come back from slaughtering the Taliban, our very own red Lion abattoir is slaughtering horses and beat them beforehand with iron bars.

    This footage taken by Hillside animal sanctuary, well done them, shows how dismal the FSA’s controls are working. The FSA’s conception after the BSE scandal was so public trust in the food industry and control regulation would return, it has failed and shown that its dependency and lack of Independence has once again landed us in the political mash.

    Put Hillside animal sanctuary in charge of Food standards and regulations. Every abattoir should be obliged to have a working person employed from the regulatory agency, so there are eyes and ears at every step of the way.
    Not very nice photos, beware

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/agriculture/farming/9813408/Horses-beaten-with-iron-bars-at-abattoir.html

  • Mary

    The arrests continue to be made.

    Policeman and journalist charged in payments probe Continue reading the main story
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    Phone hacking: Arrests by investigation

    A former Met Police officer and a journalist from The Sun are to be charged in connection with alleged illegal payments for information.

    Paul Flattley and journalist Virginia Wheeler will be charged with conspiracy to commit misconduct in a public office, prosecutors said.

    It is alleged the officer was paid more than £6,000 for information, including about the death of a 14-year-old girl.

    Eight people have now been charged under Operation Elveden.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21141813

    Very quiet on the Savile case though.

  • nevermind

    O/T and NFN normal for Norfolk

    You remember the link I sent of four video’s by someone calling himself Tommy undertaking the ‘Top down pirate tour of county hall’.
    He exposed the lax practises and open house policy at NCC. He could have walked into office the Dir. of Norfolk Property NP and taken commercially sensitive information, tenders, pending procurement etc. and publish it. He did not and he’s done us all a favour.
    He was arrested and charge with criminal trespass, so I belief, his name is Tim Smith and he should get a medal for what he’s revealed.

    Here is the link again
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkq8I1Mv2P4

    After being arrested and gotten his phone back, inside the police station…. he started filming, denying that his name is Mister Smith, which is true, he’s called Tim for Timothy.
    He’s faced with a public order offence when he has done nothing but show up the lack of security with our public contracts and procurements.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1kSjADA0AM

    Dir. O’Neill should resign his post forthwith, in his position only finalised and finished papers cross his desk and they would have been important. To leave his office open was reckless, it also shows a lack of overall concern in a civil servant of his calibre.

    There, I have focussed inwards, very inwards.

  • GyBf56d

    FbGY31c

    Not much chance to communicate through a one way bug/microphone. We believe in the unseen, but we don’t listen to every passing shaytan aw insi aw jinn/ man or demon.

  • Uzbek in the UK

    @ N_

    I might not have been clear about slave labour and how it would compromise European investors. In my opinion it would be quite tricky for European investors to get involved in slave labour directly. And below is what I mean by directly.

    You mentioned USSR and their use of slave labour. You might be aware that soviet industrial complex was mainly built on slave labour in 1920th and 1930th. Gulag was the largest and most effective slavery civilisations have ever known. According to some documents made available after 1991 some 40 million people passed through Gulag in 30 years time. Stalin turned USSR not only to the superpower but to the largest prison on the planet. After stalin’s death use of slave labour although was reduced, did not disappear all together. In USSR and in modern days Russia and many other former parts it is common practise to use convicts in some factories but in most cases in such labour-intensive work as timber harvesting. In Uzbekistan for instance convicts on death raw were sometimes

    You mentioned convicts being used in chemical industries in USSR and some European and British companies involvement in this. But you fail to notice one BIG and significant difference. In USSR economy (as you might know it) was socialist meaning that every enterprise was state owned. There were no private companies and especially there were no private companies with direct foreign investment and even more so with foreign management. You statement about soviet chemical industries being partially owned by foreign companies is NOT true. During soviets and until Perestroika started there were only 3 companies that involved direct foreign contracts. First one was Italian based Fiat car company building car plant in Russian Tolyatti in 1960th which then became one of Soviet flagship car brands named Zhiguli that in late 1990 was still making virtually the same cars as when Fiat established the plant (in 1960th). But yet again when Fiat has had its 5 years plant use contract expired brand was renamed in Zhiguli and was passed to soviet state and was since owned and managed by soviet state.

    Second one was in late 1980th chemical plant named SovPlastItal. Another joint venture with Italians. And yet again. Italians have supplied technology and production technics and the plant was fully owned and managed by soviet state.

    Third one was Pepsi. But this one did not even require any specific technologies but just technics and franchise. It was even bottled in soviet style bottles.

    As you can see there was no cases of direct foreign involvement in any soviet enterprises. There were no foreign companies directly involved in managing soviet joint ventures of which there were only 3 (until Perestroika kicked in) and there were no foreign owners. Foreign companies were at large purchasing soviet exports (mostly raw materials or first manufacturing goods) which in some cases were produced as a result of slave labour BUT yet again none of these foreign companies were involved in slave labour use directly.

    The case of European (and British in particular) investments in Uzbekistan where these investors will partially (or even fully) own or even manage companies in Uzbekistan that will use cotton and other materials obtained as a result of slave labour would be somewhat different case. Do not you think? And this would be something that could get these investors and politicians involved somewhat bad publicity. Do not you think?

  • Mary

    Fred that TWFW link you gave referred to a question from Tom Watson asking for details of the missiles sent down from Reaper drones, their number and their ‘accuracy’ (although it is inappropriate to use that word when it means how accurate they were in killing civilians in Afghanistan).

    The non answer (a holding answer it says?) was given by a member of the landed gentry, ex Eton and Oxford and with a personal wealth of £5m.

    Ex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Dunne_(politician)
    Following the formation of the Liberal Democrat – Conservative coalition government shortly after the general election, Philip Dunne was appointed as an unpaid assistant government whip in the House of Commons. In September 2012, he was appointed Minister for Defence Equipment, Support and Technology with responsibility for Defence procurement and Defence exports.

    Personal life

    He is married to Domenica and they have two sons and two daughters. As well as farming, Dunne has also worked in banking and has experience of working in New York and Hong Kong. He also helped start up Ottakar’s bookshop. He was born and bred in and around Ludlow and has a keen interest in diabetes research.

    Dunne’s wealth is estimated at £5m.

    It’s in the blood and they all went to Eton which has a lot to answer for.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Dunne_(courtier) his father
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Russell_Rendel_Dunne and his grandfather

    Dunne was able to take time off from the farming and the whipping to visit Egypt to meet ‘parliamentarians and ministers’ (and that was in the time of Mubarak!), the UAE, Falkland Islands and Washington and New York, not forgetting a trip to Israel. Plus pre-2010 a directorship of a venture capital outfit and attending to his membership of a Lloyds syndicate. A family trust pay the children’s school fees so no worries which comp or now Gove academy to choose for them.

    Overseas visits
    18-21 September 2005, to USA. Travel and accommodation costs met by Dr Liam Fox’s office from a donation by Mr Michael Lewis, a businessman from London. I also received an upgrade from British Airways on my outbound flight and from Virgin on my return flight. (Registered 21 October 2005)

    How I despise the likes of him and the others.

  • Mary

    Nevermind. I had put up that appalling Hillside cruelty before. It was on Sky News originally. I called it man’s inhumanity to animals as a change from the usual inhumanity to man. There is supposed to be a vet permanently on duty at every abattoir or at least that was the case. ConDems might have changed it in the free for all swamp we are all in.

    Quite ironic that as soon as the media storm on P Harry dies away, the same presenters who were putting out the gush are having to announce 5,000 army redundancies. Will P Harry get a P45? 🙂

  • nevermind

    I very much hope so Mary, he should have been dismissed from the job before he went out there for the second time.

    But maybe the times are changing and his exposure of cannabis has brought about some changes. Or it is harder to find ‘working class’ canon fodder that has not taken cannabis.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1385087/Army-alters-drugs-policy-in-effort-to-ease-recruits-crisis.html

    This website gives an indication how many people got fired and lost their pension rights and and and, for failing drugs tests during the last 4 years.

    http://www.cannabis.info/UK/news/7312-hundreds-fail-uk-military-drug-tests

    harry is obviously not like his mean and he should now leave the RAF, voluntarily, however much he likes shooting guns at people he’s got no crux with.

  • N_

    @Uzbek in UK – I think you are over-weighting the word ‘directly’. There was a lot of western business involvement in Soviet industry. No western companies were direct ‘owners’, but the USSR imported a large amount of western industrial technology, including in the chemical sector which used a great deal of convict labour. This was operated with a lot of western assistance.

    (‘Ownership’ can in any case be something that’s sorted out when it has to be, e.g. when Sean Quinn whips his billions out of Ireland, or the Rothschild family made sure they were ‘compensated’ in the 1950s for the ‘loss’ of ‘their’ steel plants in Czechoslovakia, or Khodorkovsky was found to have signed Siberian oil over to another Rothschild in the event of his incapacitation, which turned out to take the form of incarceration. This is one of the things trust law is for – itself one of England’s major exports 🙂 )

    The Soviet economy was not ‘socialist’ in the slightest; it was a form of bureaucratic capitalism, although this is not the place to have that discussion. As in the west, the important issue for those who profited from the surplus was not ownership but control.

    I was not talking about slave labour in the camp system, but work ‘на химии’.

    This all said, I support the goal of giving negative publicity to western interests involved with the Uzbek cotton sector.

  • Fred

    “But maybe the times are changing and his exposure of cannabis has brought about some changes. Or it is harder to find ‘working class’ canon fodder that has not taken cannabis.”

    Times aren’t changing that much, governments have a long history of actually supplying drugs to their soldiers in war time when it suits their purpose.

    There is an old blues song called “Cocaine Blues”, played here by Mississippi John Hurt, one of my favourites. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoFWtohnz9E It is about a soldier who returned from WWI addicted to cocaine. The drug was manufactured in Holland by Burroughs Welcome and given to the troops in large amounts often without their knowledge. They were sold to all sides in the war and marketed as “”Forced March Pills”. The manufacturers made a fortune both during the war and afterwards supplying the addicts.

    Cannabis was supplied to the troops in Vietnam by the military, it was flown in in ammunition boxes.

  • Uzbek in the UK

    @ N_

    I do not think I am over-weighting anything. And I still think it is BIG difference between co-operation and ownership (or as you call it control) over enterprise.

    Getting to the very bottom of social economics every enterprise is based on exploitation. And even voluntary exploitation is not that voluntary when one looks at the very bottom. Many had to work (some for very low wages) in order to pay rent, mortgages, bills, groceries etc. In most cases lion share of profit from each step of economic activity of each individual ends up in the hands of those owners (or controllers as you put it). But this is Marxism. And USSR proved this theoretically attractive idea to fail in practise.

    And yes, USSR was socialist economy. It was not any form of capitalism at all. State was owner and controller of economic activity. No individuals not even bureaucrats had any rights on anything they managed. It was just like Marx prescribed. And if you are calling state management bureaucratic capitalists then how on earth would you suggest to manage state/public owned enterprise? Should all of us (or soviets for that matter) get involved in management? And at the end solution will be in resolving the question on who would manage what and who would manage and who would be managED. At the very inception of soviet state Lenin said that it was not possible for cleaning lady to manage the state. Thus he suggested that the class of managers need to be established in proletarian state. Nor Marx suggested that socialist economy was something that would be managed by all. So, I argue again that USSR was socialist economy as much as it was possible to be such economy in practice and it even had theoretical approval from the founding fathers of such idea.

  • N_

    Pedantic quibble: ‘Prince’ Harry is in the army, not the RAF.

    To bring two of the above topics together…
    …on the subject of man’s inhumanity to both man and animals…a lot of the egg sector in the UK involves the super-exploitation of trafficked semi-slave labour.

    This includes eggs marketed under ridiculous titles such as “Freedom Eggs”, “Happy Eggs”, and “Woodland Eggs”.

    Semi-slave labour is used in getting eggs to stores run by Sainsbury, Tesco, Asda, Marks and Spencer, and McDonald’s.

    Have a look at this article for more information.

    A lot of the workers are from Eastern Europe. Often they are kept in debt bondage, their passports are kept by gangmasters, and they get beaten up if they escape.

    Meanwhile…there’s no business like the certification business. Ask the Gangmaster Licensing Authority!

    Regarding oversight by vets…the vet business in the UK is in two parts, both dominated using professional bodies, namely the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons (RCVS) and the British Small Animals Veterinary Association (BSAVA). BSAVA is in practice owned by Hill’s. A large proportion of stuff to do with pet vet surgeries is determined by Hill’s, just as with GPs’ surgeries a similar statement holds for Bayer. (Elsevier probably take a big cut too – they run the zines that tell the middle-rankers what to think in many ‘professions’, including medicine and the police. Does any book put this together better than Edward Bernays’s Propaganda?)

    The RCVS have been involved in all the big money-grabbing disease ventures in recent years. Pat Gardiner has written about some of that stuff. Both veterinary professional bodies are as crooked as the ones for chartered surveyors, dentists, medics, solicitors, etc. etc. etc.

    Anyway…some of the gangmaster companies that exploit semi-slave labour in the UK food sector belong to, and are allowed to advertise using their membership of, a so-called welfare scheme run by the RSPCA, called ‘Freedom Foods’.

    But (quoting from the above article), “The RSPCA’s Freedom Food company said individual licence holders were responsible for ensuring animal welfare.”

    So what to do the bloody RSPCA do, other than take a cut? They sell the badge, and then don’t even check that companies comply.

    Those workers who wanted to open bank accounts or apply for national insurance numbers say they were told they couldn’t and were threatened with the sack if they complained. When they were paid, it was by cheque, so they were forced to cash their wages at a local branch of the Money Shop where the charges are £2.50 for registration, a £3.99 flat fee for each cheque plus a 7.99% service fee, meaning that they could lose another £12 from a £100 cheque.

    “The most serious allegations from the workers relate to the climate of fear and violence in which they say they were kept. They have described Lithuanian enforcers used by the gangmasters to keep them under control with physical and verbal abuse. They have reported workers being beaten, punched, given black eyes and broken ribs, and then beaten again if they complained. One recalled first meeting one of the enforcers a couple of days after arriving in the UK, when the enforcer is said to have kicked the door of their house in and shouted to them that no one was getting paid that week. Others have said that their wages were withheld on several occasions for random reasons: a dirty cup left in the kitchen, or the smell of alcohol on someone’s breath on a day off.

    “The labour-providing business supplied workers to Noble Foods, which contracts farmers to produce premium high welfare eggs which it then packs at a rate of 4m a day and supplies to McDonald’s and the leading retailers. It specialises in brands and products which claim to meet high ethical standards. Its own brands include The Happy Egg Company, GoldenLay Omega 3 Free Range Eggs, Big and Fresh, Free Range Egg for Soldiers and Gu puddings.”

    And…to bring in a third strand from above…note that the British Army’s publicists have also got in on the eggs business. Buy ‘Eggs for Soldiers’ (I think they may come in khaki packets? does anyone know) for your dippy soldiers! Probably didn’t take much ‘creative’ brainstorming to come up with that one!

  • N_

    @Uzbek – I wasn’t calling ownership control. You are turning the state into a religious concept. Social production and social reproduction, whether or not you want to separate those terms, is always, everywhere, and whether exploitation exists or it doesn’t, about how people relate to other people, including in connection to how they relate to means of production.

    The USSR was nothing like Marx ‘prescribed’ – absolutely nothing whatsoever. You need to consider exploitation more, and to do so, you need to consider the possibility of a properly human society, socialism. Each bureaucrat had an amount of control, right? Sure, he couldn’t convert it all into currency and hop off and set up shop wherever he wanted, somewhere else in the country. That means there were differences with bourgeois capitalism. I’m not denying that, Bordiga-style. Of course there was exploitation in every enterprise. But socialism means, among other things, the absence of exploitation and of economy. I haven’t got time to discuss this further, except to say you could start by asking whether you think there was wage labour in the USSR.

    As for Lenin, he was not a Marxist in any serious sense of the term. Again, I haven’t got time to discuss this. The first order after the October 1917 coup was to go back to work under the existing owners. Then you get the militarisation of labour, one-man management, yes indeed the ‘class’ of red directors (after the old owners mostly ran away), and lots of lovely piece rates.

    Do you think Marx praised piece rates? Do you think Marx called for party dictatorship (even a vanguard party at all), democratic centralism, piece rates, one-man management, or any of that Leninist crap?

    Was he into ‘war communism’? something like the NEP? or something like the later machine-gunning of villages full of peasants (a ‘solution’ to the ‘problem’ of Russian agriculture that Stolypin would have loved to have been able to implement, heralding a super-rapid primitive accumulation of capital). Marx was more into the община and мир – see his letters to Vera Zasulich.

  • Mark Golding - Children of Conflict

    Guano,

    Speaking of gathering information some years ago I attended a Hizb ut-Tahrir conference in London as an observer and sat in the front seat of the hall taking notes. Unusually and suspiciously a young Muslim graduate class sat next to me at the nod of a burly, stocky official looking sentinel. The young man having greeted me asked who I was and why I was taking notes. At the end of the conference a form was passed to me (and others) that asked for my contact details and home address. I filled in the form. Three days later another young Muslim with an npower ID knocked my door and we had a long conversation about the aftermath of the Iraq war. He left smiling expressing, “Yahdeekumullahu wa yuslihu balakum.”

  • Mary

    The statistic is hardly surprising in the light of unemployment, family breakdown, welfare cuts and unemployment and this was a year ago.

    UK suicide rate rises ‘significantly’ in 2011

    The number of people taking their own life in the UK rose “significantly” in 2011, latest figures from the Office for National Statistics have shown.

    Some 6,045 people killed themselves in 2011, an increase of 437 since 2010.

    The highest suicide rate was among men aged between 30 and 44. About 23 men per 100,000 took their own lives.

    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21141815

    The ILO have just released these figures for world unemployment.

    World unemployment could top record levels this year and continue rising until 2017, the International Labour Organization (ILO) said on Tuesday in its annual employment report.

    2009 currently stands as the worst recorded year for world unemployment, with 198 million people across the globe without work.

    In its 2013 Global Employment Trends report, the ILO forecasts unemployment numbers will rise by 5.1 million in 2013 to reach 202 million, topping 2009’s record.

    The report also predicts unemployment will rise further in 2014 to reach 205 million,

    /..
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/100394338

  • Mary

    The irrelevance of the HoC. A nearly empty house is listening to Cleggover in full flow moving the second reading of the Succession to the Crown Bill. Who the hell cares whether the royal sprog is male or female and who becomes monarch in a fifty years’ time or whenever P William departs this life? By that time, the monarchy will have been consigned to the rubbish cart hopefully.

  • Mary

    PS Nervy little Chloe Smith MP Con Nortwich North is sitting alongside Clegg assisting him when he stumbles. Rees Mogg is giving him a hard time.

  • Uzbek in the UK

    @N_

    Firstly I am not turning state into any kind of religious concept. State is state. And in USSR it was state (representing all of us soviet citizens) that was overwhelmingly in control and ownership of every economic activity (and in most cases of social activities). Thus when discussing USSR the concept of the state cannot be ignored nor can it be underrated.

    Well, it is evident that we have read different versions of Das Kapital. Your understanding of socialism in my eyes equals to the somewhat Utopianism. Even Marx was more grounded in his thinking. Marx saw socialism not as properly human society (as you put it) but as economic system based on collective ownership of the means of production and collective management of the economic activity. Is not this what USSR was? But again in this collective management Marx allowed division within economic activity. There were to be classes of workers, peasants, serviceman. He even sub-classified disabled into separate category and only they were allowed to be engaged in non-reciprocal benefit (being benefited without benefiting). The vital in Marx’s idea was avoidance of this non-reciprocal benefit by ensuring that if one party benefits from another it had to benefit it in return. Was not this what USSR was with its whole range of social programmes, free medical care, free education including high education, free housing for life, subsadised groceries etc? By denying private ownership rights USSR ensured that no one (not even high level managers) will be guaranteed to gain benefits of economic activity and having free thought on whether or not return benefits to beneficiaries. And yet even this more grounded (comparing to yours) vision of socialism failed to materialise in practise thanks to corrupt human nature that proves historian Lord Acton was right in his thoughts.

    Yes, Marx did not call for party dictatorship but quite clearly he called for dictatorship of proletariat. And Soviet Communist Party as rightful (as they thought) representatives of proletariat just assumed this rightful (as they thought) job to govern without alternatives. One again might argue that perfect idea was corrupted by I say the ONLY practical solution for this idea.

    And also everyone who read the Critique of the Gotha Programme could get some idea on how “peaceful” Marx was. He might not have been warmonger initially but in his spread of dictatorship of proletariat he was ready to go much further than peaceful evolution of the idea.

  • Giles

    “Leveson: EU wants power to sack journalists”

    A “high level” EU panel, that includes Latvia’s former president and a former German justice minister, was ordered by Neelie Kroes, European Commission vice-president, last year to report on “media freedom and pluralism”. It has concluded that it is time to introduce new rules to rein in the press.

    “All EU countries should have independent media councils,” the report concluded.

    “Media councils should have real enforcement powers, such as the imposition of fines, orders for printed or broadcast apologies, or removal of journalistic status.”

    As well as setting up state regulators with draconian powers, the panel also recommended that the European Commission be placed in overall control in order to ensure that the new watchdogs do not breach EU laws.
    “The national media councils should follow a set of European-wide standards and be monitored by the Commission to ensure that they comply with European values,” the report said.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/leveson-inquiry/9817625/Leveson-EU-wants-power-to-sack-journalists.html

  • Mark Golding - Children of Conflict

    Sadly suicides will increase Mary. We have been following trends and reporting in UK Collapse.

    Last year, the Samaritans published a report that said that 3,000 men in their 30s, 40s and 50s commit suicide each year, with men from deprived areas 10 times more likely to take their own lives than those from better-off backgrounds.

    The coalition welfare bill that introduces PIP (People in Poverty ;)) to replace DLA and more has also caused a steep rise in disable people taking their own lives O/D’ing on prescription drugs.

  • Uzbek in the UK

    Freaking capitalists on one side and freaking socialists on the other have produced this crisis. It is the best to move back to natural economy just like in times before times.

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

    When I was a lad in college (quite some time ago) it was a statistical point of interest that suicide seems to run at inverse numbers to suicide.

    Note Japan @ highest suicide, is very low on homicide. The US @ 4.8 and UK @ 1,5 murder;
    12 per 100k on suicide. I wonder how war affects those dynamics. It’s not a precise science but check a few out.

  • Fred

    “Note Japan @ highest suicide, is very low on homicide. The US @ 4.8 and UK @ 1,5 murder;
    12 per 100k on suicide. I wonder how war affects those dynamics. It’s not a precise science but check a few out.”

    Looks like it depends on how many are introvert and how many extrovert.

  • nevermind

    Talking about internet freedom and Gulag USA on RT Max Kaiser now. Aaron Schwartz and Ms. Ortiz and Bradley Manning have been mentioned.

  • Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    There are theories, Fred. One theory is that like the human body’s sympathetic and parasympathetic systems which are dynamic, society may have mechanisms which rise and fall to reach ‘water level’ in a similar manner. IOW, population control.

  • Mary

    I was looking to see what Harry Gear is doing and got this up!

    News for harry fear
    Word of Prince Harry’s military exploits sparks fear of reprisals
    CTV News ‎- 2 hours ago

    He is in America.
    http://www.harryfear.co.uk/blog/gaza-report/reporting-aggression-tour

    What will be the recult of the Israeli elections? I expect that the Habayit Hayehudin (Israel Home) outfit will feature led by Naftali Bennett, so full of love for his fellow human – NOT. Nothing will change for the Palestinians. Their plight will worsen.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21126547# BBC predicting Netanyahu in a coalition.

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