96 thoughts on “Edinburgh Islamophobia Conference

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  • rodin

    I worked in the Midlands where swathes of cities have been Muslimified. How did this happen? Certainly the indigenous UK citizens never asked for it. It was PUSHED onto them. By whom?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QoJGvEVogI

    Meanwhile the other side of the injustice is that Muslims are blamed for terror not of their doing

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUbTe50UUgM

    A lie which justifies the West invading Muslim countries ostensibly to root out ‘terrorism’ but really a resource-grab. Helmand province, best opium growing real estate on the planet, silenced by the Taliban, now more productive than ever bringing misery to the west with heroin importation

    etc

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Viewed from another perspective, the process of tribalisation of communities in Britain might be viewed as a form of branding – and it is linked, in my view, with the massive expansion, both externally and internally, structurally, culturally, psychologically, of commercial branding activity that has occured since the mid-1980s.

    Perhaps it is no accident that these tendencies seem to have developed in parallel. Certainly, both corporate and discorporate entities seem to see no threat to their hegemony from identity politics. Quite the opposite, in actively promoting such ‘human branding’ activity, as both an inherent ‘virtue’ and as an effective deep marketing strategy, they are able simultaneously to claim the morla high-ground and to expand their markets.

    And so, while many of these entities would fight to the last plundered penny to keep trade unions out of their workplaces, they are perfectly happy for the coutoure of religious branding to be on display and to be an inherent part of their body politic.

    In every fibre of his being (to paraphrase from a previous industrial-scale criminal facilitator), David Cameron, for example, is a perfect product of that ‘industrial process’.

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  • November

    Rights granted for individuals through the laws in statute are themselves the result of the efforts/work of various lobby groups/norms/commercial pressures. Hence your first point although admirable/commendable falls somewhat short in practice. Hence the imprisonment of Baber Ahmed, along with many others in UK, whom have simply been caught up in the net of the SIS that in turn seem to operate in an extra judicial manner with impunity and further have the backing of the judicial constructs too.

    Therefore the expectation of equal rights despite its fanfare of support really does not exist in the sense of the word that if anyone Muslim, these days, and those of Irish descent in the past happen to be in the wrong place and caught by the “right” officer could hardly have any kind of rights let alone for these rights to be of equal kind.

    This latter part is never subject to any debate or discussion because the wider and dominant groups feel secure enough to dismiss any probabilities of the members of their group to be caught up in such a scenario. Alas the practice proves otherwise, where one individual’s rights can be discounted, then it sets a precedence for the others to have their “rights” violated too.

    Further for equal rights to be granted by a hostile superclass then there must exist a quid pro quo that usually entails some measure of acquiescence towards the imperatives set by the said superclass. Therefore it obtains not a “novel idea” but a pragmatic understanding of the sub-processes of getting afforded equal rights.

    However you then rightly point out:

    whether they are or are not norms in the legal context ought to be irrelevant; indeed, the concept of such ‘norms’ for ontologically hermetically-sealed groups arguably is itself oppressive and discriminatory to everyone except possibly powerful and often reactionary lobbies within those groups

    Clearly acknowledging the existence of the referenced sub-processes. This dichotomy of wishing to live in a society of laws and sanity, and to exist within the realms of; chaos, bigotry, and arbitrary arrests (ultimately it is the decision of an SIS operative, as in the case of Cressida Dick and the life/death of de Menezez) and imprisonment based upon the judgements of the same, that is then recommended to the Judiciary whom follow suit and act on the advice of these operatives.

    However to disentangle from the legalities of the immoral conduct of the operatives whom are supported by the dominant group at the expense of the Target Groups, it serves the argument well to point out that without acceptance of the simple fact that we all are different individuals with differing imperatives and traditions, there always shall remain the danger that those deemed outsiders will always remain insecure and in danger of being picked on and bullied.

    Further, extending the line of argument, to the international arena, it should be understood that whilst on this board and elsewhere there is an innate hostility towards religions (other than Judaism) that is the “norm” and the the derision of those religious followers a pastime. Yet missing in the melee is the importance of religion in aiding and organising societies that as yet have not swung full tilt into the Western Consumerism, and or are lacking the basics of life as it is taken for granted in the West.

    To clarify the above, given the paucity of resources in the Afghan/Pakistani/Somali villages/towns/society that even access to clean water is not a given, added the lack of transport infrastructure, or access to medicine without religion and the help of the almighty to enable those caught up in the violence perpetrated upon these from the skies and the ground the pilgrims would have long ceased to exist. Hence the all out frontal assault on religion, this last barrier to the success of the hegemony of those bent on world domination no less.

    Therefore in the current total war that is being waged on Muslims, it is an inevitable consequences of the war that Islam itself will come under attack, as it has been the case, albeit in a tongue in cheek fashion. However the hatred against Muslims is a necessary component of this war that is being cultivated in a broadly overt and aggressive manner by the supine “Media”.

    Therefore to view:

    process of tribalisation of communities in Britain might be viewed as a form of branding – and it is linked, in my view, with the massive expansion, both externally and internally, structurally, culturally, psychologically, of commercial branding activity that has occured since the mid-1980s.

    The commercial brands seek to find their target demographies, and the degrees of their success may induce the growth of the targeted demographies. Alas no commercial operation can afford to create its own demography. The tribes as you put it can only come from the assiduous work carried out on the pre existing fissures and faults to further amplify these with a view to benefit from these divisions. This would need massive resources and a data processing that only governments can afford.

    The fact that a so called Muslim on this board is all too readily dismissing the hatred towards Muslims, and then engages in explaining the hatred towards these as the compliant against certain leaders, is clearly a case for detailed study; how did we get to hate Muslims so rapidly?

  • Suhayl Saadi

    “The tribes as you put it can only come from the assiduous work carried out on the pre existing fissures and faults to further amplify these with a view to benefit from these divisions. This would need massive resources and a data processing that only governments can afford.” November, 22nd March, 9:07pm

    (btw, ‘November’ is a slightly confusing handle, if I humbly may point out! What will happen when it actually is November? Why not just call yourself, ‘Brumaire’, or Frimaire” instead? :))

    Yes, I agree.

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