Navalny, Ward, Assange, Snowden and the Attack on Free Speech

by craig on July 25, 2013 4:44 pm in Uncategorized

Russia does not have a functioning criminal justice system at all, in the sense of a trial mechanism aimed at determining innocence or guilt.  Exactly as in Uzbekistan, the conviction rate in criminal trials is over 99%.  If the prosecutors, who are inextricably an arm of the executive government, want to send you to jail, there is absolutely no judicial system to protect you.  The judges are purely there for show.

When critics of Putin like Alexei Navalny are convicted, therefore, we have absolutely no reassurance that the motivation behind the prosecution or the assessment of guilt was genuine.  Which is not to say that Navalny is innocent; I am in no position to judge. People are complex.   I sacrificed my own pretty decent career to the cause of human rights, but in my personal and family life I was by no means the most moral of individuals.  I see no reason for it to be impossible that all of Navalny’s excellent political work did not co-exist with a fatal weakness.  But his criticisms of Putin made him a marked man, who the state was out to get, and the most probable explanation – especially as prosecutors had looked at the allegations before and decided not to proceed – is that he is suffering for his criticisms of the President rather than a genuine offence.

It fascinates me that the Western media view the previous decision by the prosecutors not to proceed as evidence the case is politically motivated against Navalny; but fail to draw the same conclusion from precisely the same circumstance in the Assange case.

David Ward MP has not been sent to jail.  He has however had the Lib Dem whip removed, which under Clegg’s leadership perhaps he ought to consider an honour.  It is rather a commonplace sentiment that it is a terribly sad thing, that their community having suffered dreadfully in the Holocaust, the European Jews involved in founding the state of Israel went on themselves to inflict terrible pain and devastation on the Palestinians in the Nakba.   Both the Holocaust and the Nakba were horrific events of human suffering.  For this not startling observation, David Ward is removed from the Liberal Democrats.  He also stated that, with its ever increasing number of racially specific laws, its walls and racially restricted roads, Israel is becoming an apartheid state.  That is so commonplace even Sky News’ security correspondent Sam Kiley said it a few months ago, without repercussion.  In Russia you cannot say Putin is corrupt; in the UK you cannot say Israeli state policy is malign.  Neither national state can claim to uphold freedom of speech.  Meanwhile, of course, David Cameron announces plans to place filters on the internet access of all UK households.

In the United States, the House of Representatives failed by just 12 votes to make illegal the mass snooping by the NSA which was not widely publicised until Edward Snowden’s revelations.  What Snowden said was so important that almost half the country’s legislators wished to act on his information.  Yet the executive wish to pursue him and remove all his freedom for the rest of his life, as they are doing to Bradley Manning for Manning’s exposure of war crimes and extreme duplicity.

Around this complex of issues and the persons of Manning, Navalny, Snowden and Assange there is a kind of new ideological competition between the governments of Russia, the US and UK as to which is truly promoting the values of human freedom.  The answer is none of them are.  All these states are, largely in reaction to the liberating possibilities of the internet, promoting a concerted attack on freedom of speech and liberty of thought.

States are the enemy.  We are the people.





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  1. Kempe 28 Jul, 2013 – 6:28 pm
    “very different from proving that it WAS done”

    True. So one journalist, possibly with dynamite, dies suspiciously. Could be coincidence.

    I wonder if anyone has studied to see if ‘opposing the state’ is statistically over represented amongst unusual deaths. It would be an interesting yardstick.

  2. My guess is that the video of Hastings’ crash has been speeded up to make it look like the car was going faster than it was.

    As to deaths in crashes public figures are much more likely to die than ordinary individuals. It does need some thorough research but Hastings’ death was convenient, to say the least, for those he was investigating. Likewise Bob Cryer’s death was convenient for the US military at Menwith Hill. How dare Bob Cryer, an English MP, criticise the US for having a base on English soil without parliamentary approval?

  3. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    28 Jul, 2013 - 7:51 pm

    I was wondering when you would chime-in John. Now where is Trowbridge? :)

  4. “As to deaths in crashes public figures are much more likely to die than ordinary individuals.”

    What do you base that on john?

  5. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    28 Jul, 2013 - 7:55 pm

    Early with the sounds, eh Villager?

  6. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    28 Jul, 2013 - 8:00 pm

    Jack Bruce showing his complex bass riffs.

  7. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    28 Jul, 2013 - 8:05 pm

    Clapton, Sheryl Crow and David Sanborn.

    Make sure you don’t miss Sanborn’s solo.

  8. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    28 Jul, 2013 - 8:11 pm

    Oh, I see you didn’t intend to entertain, Villager. Sorry.

  9. How many times does an unlikely accident need to occur before it is accepted as having occurred in the eventuality of it actually occurring?

  10. @Ben

    Mississippi John Hurt, where it all began.

  11. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    28 Jul, 2013 - 8:43 pm

    @ Kempe :

    “Any evidence that Hasting’s car was actually hacked?”

    Shame on you for asking for something as banal as evidence, Kempe!

    Who needs evidence when you have…”counter-intuitive research skills” (cf Ben Franklin)? :)

  12. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    28 Jul, 2013 - 8:47 pm

    @ Ben Franklin

    “I could go on, and on and on….”

    And on past form, you almost certainly will…..

    Spare us!

  13. Flaming June

    28 Jul, 2013 - 8:54 pm

    This from a Medialens contributor is a e-mail which has been sent to Channel 4 News. They and Sky News have been putting out the most awful propaganda against North Korea. I have not seen any BBC Newa.

    Channel 4’s John Sparks on North Korea…short email
    Posted by Ed on July 28, 2013, 7:36 pm

    Mr Sparks,
    In a Britain where the msm have just produced and indulged in an excruciating bout of royal sycophancy, and in a Britain where hundreds of thousands of people are relying on food banks to keep themselves and their children fed, and in a Britain whose government is intent on spending tens of billions on Trident (which incidentally goes against the NPT which promotes steps towards disarmament and prohibits replacing or renewing existing nuclear weapons systems), and in a Britain that is becoming increasingly militaristic (just take a look at the heavy military presence at any major sporting event these days), you see fit to write a piece on North Korea (1) brimming with self righteous indignation:

    “ oversized shrine to the North Korean military in the heart of the capital Pyongyang…the Victorious Fatherland Liberation War Museum is decorated with colossal Soviet-style art, depicting battle scenes from the Korean war…The complex is flanked by pavilions displaying North Korean armaments and I asked myself a simple question – how much did all this cost? In a nation that struggles to feed its own people – something North Korea blames on international sanctions and western hostility – it seemed an extraordinary use of resources…This public display of firepower along with the squadrons of near-hysterical citizens pledging their loyalty to the regime was designed to make a definite impression – an impression of strength at home and abroad.”

    You also say:
    “I admire the North Koreans for being brave enough to let people like me in but we cannot stop being journalists.”

    Do you ever listen to yourself?

    Ed Murray.

    (1)Four days in North Korea – a ‘chasm’ away from rest of world

  14. It’s probably much more important that people are prepared to believe and indeed act on their belief, that the US, its agents or familiars etc would whack someone like Hastings, than it is to prove that he was in fact whacked.

    Sure, some will argue that definitive proof of Hastings having been whacked ought to play heavily into the former project, but Chomsky and many others have been exposing the difference between state claims and actions for years, with little noticeable impact on these states.

    There’s an interesting discussion of these different approaches at Medialens:

    and in the original article here:

  15. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    28 Jul, 2013 - 9:00 pm

    @ Phil :

    ““a final figure of 47.5 percent”

    Bail ins, the new bail out. The laws are being put in place:

    So you would prefer the ordinary taxpayer to continue taking the hit in the event of any future bank bail-outs?


  16. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    28 Jul, 2013 - 9:05 pm

    As usual our favorite advocate for the State, has nothing substantive to provide. But he is the’ best heckler ‘ known to the world of stand-up comedians.

  17. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    28 Jul, 2013 - 9:07 pm

    The implication of Mr Ed Murray’s email, brought to our attention by the Frequent Poster at 20h54, would seem to be that North Korea should not be criticised by the western media because of the existence of food banks and Trident in the UK.

    An interesting – but rather silly – point of view.

  18. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    28 Jul, 2013 - 9:09 pm

    @ Ben Franklin

    “As usual our favorite advocate for the State, has nothing substantive to provide”

    And what do you have to provide by way of evidence?

    Oh, I know – “counter-intuitive research skills”!

  19. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    28 Jul, 2013 - 9:12 pm

    redundant heckling.

  20. Habby performs the function here of op-ed columns. Every event which might reasonably be expected to undermine states’ propaganda is twisted, turned, and sanitised until it can be squeezed back into the propaganda hole.

    Don’t care if they’re square pegs, round pegs, oblong pegs, whatever. They’ll all fit the same hole.

    The op-ed’s job is simply to ensure they fit the hole, no matter what!

    Don’t even matter how much you have to embarrass yourself in the process. The money takes care of that.

    “It’s hard to get someone to understand something when their salary depends on their not understanding it.”

  21. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    28 Jul, 2013 - 9:20 pm

    “They’ll all fit the same hole.”

    I see what you’re saying. ‘Sphincter says, what?’

  22. Jemand:

    “So it’s not hard to see that donations were not just to “charities” but to organisations that promote Islam and the interests of Muslims.”

    The entire Taliban, ‘good’ and ‘bad’ are financed by massive ‘charitable donations’ from Saudi Arabia.

    In this day and age it is hardly surprising to learn that Muslims donate more than others. Can we know how much of this is going towards fighting Jihad in various conflicted areas?

    In history it is probably true that Christians have killed more fellow human beings than any other religion. With the concept of Jihad (and with GWB having called for a War on Terror and turned Al Qaida from a limited organisation into a phenomenon), its now the turn of the Muslims. Moreover because of the Wahhabi/Salafist divide with those more willing to embrace secularism at least at a political level (eg Turkey), and because of the Sunni and Shia (and others) divide they are also killing each other in compounded numbers. There is undoubtedly a problem within the scriptures that lends itself to divisiveness and conflict. Christianity as a whole may have exhausted itself and even ‘matured’, its Islam’s turn now. Though i reject all so-called organised religions (you cannot organise the Truth), Asiatic religions still have a healthier attitude in the negation of killing other human beings, but they are doing it too, although not quite so spectacularly.

  23. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    28 Jul, 2013 - 9:24 pm

    “The government said it would begin a pilot in November to impose visa restrictions on six Commonwealth nations, including India and Nigeria, even though David Cameron poured cold water on the scheme in June after it provoked uproar in Delhi.

    Luxury goods retailers have denounced the plan as an “insulting deterrent” to wealthy tourists, which will hit sales and damage London’s reputation. They are urging the government to drop the pilot, saying the restrictions will damage their business if Commonwealth tourists – particularly Nigerians, now the sixth biggest spenders on luxury goods in the UK – are put off.”

    What an egregiously silly argument, and I’m glad that the Frequent Poster, who brought it to our attention, agrees with me.

    This entry deposit is unlikely to put off wealthy Nigerians from coming to London and buying luxury goods. They have the money to pay for the bond and have no intention of illegally staying on in the UK.

    And even if it did put them off, surely we should not be defending the right of wealthy Nigerians to come to London to spend their ill-gotten gains, nor the right of expensive London stores to relieve those wealthy Nigerians of their ill-gotten gains?

    Is there a Zionist angle to all of this?

  24. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    28 Jul, 2013 - 9:32 pm

    @ Herbie:

    Abuse and supposition are no substitute for argument and evidence.

    A truth which some of the Eminences – including, unfortunately, you – still have to learn.

    And now, stop bickering.


    But not general agreement on this blog.

  26. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    28 Jul, 2013 - 9:34 pm

  27. doug scorgie

    28 Jul, 2013 - 9:44 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)
    26 Jul, 2013 – 10:25 pm

    “who on this blog comments on political,, social or human rights abuses in Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Syria, Egypt, North Korea, Venezuela, Ecuador, Zimbabwe, South Africa and various corrupt and despotic African countries?”

    Habbabkuk, if you want to start a discussion about political, social or human rights abuses in ANY country please do so.

    Perhaps there could meaningful intercourse on the subject.

    The ball is in your court if you want to serve.

  28. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    28 Jul, 2013 - 10:12 pm

    @ Doug Scorgie

    No, Doug, not trying to start a discussion. I was just wondering why the Eminences are so vocal about human rights in the US and the west in general (and human rights abuses perpetrated by these countries elsewhere) but remain rather silent when it comes to human rights abuses perpetrated by other countries.

    Have you any idea why this should be so?

  29. My post yesterday about Agent Cameron’s intention to impose a tourist bond was purely a extract from a Financial Times article, ie a statement of fact.

    I expressed no opinion on the imposition of the bond, contrary to what the Resident Invigilator is claiming above.

  30. Silly pictures of a silly man on holiday. Looks like a photo op. The photos were taken by Associated Press.

  31. Habby, add Saudi Arabia to your list — one of the more mischievous countries on Earth, rarely mentioned on this blog. What is their relationship to Palestine? Why haven’t they with all their money and power derived from their US collaborators, been able to foster an Israeli-Palestine peace? Anyone?

  32. Agent Cameron’s side kick Cleggover seems to think he can live the high life at our expense. When will be shot of these creeps?

    Nick Clegg refused to pay his bar bill for thousands of pounds at grace-and-favour home… and thinks you should pick up the tab: Row erupts over Lib Dem leader’s lavish entertaining

    Nick Clegg shares Chevening, in Kent, with the Foreign Secretary
    Landowner Edward Barham complained after Mr Clegg objected to the bill
    The complaint led to negotiations with Mr Clegg who paid most of the tab
    The taxpayer was left to foot the rest of the bill from Cabinet Office coffers
    Mr Clegg earns £134,000 a year and his wife Miriam is paid up to £500,000

  33. Phil @ 7.54 pm. There is a 1 in 7000 chance of dying in an air or space incident according to:

    Taking the years 2001-2010 based on this Wikipedia link of air-crashes involving famous deaths:

    2001 = 13
    2002 = 05
    2003 = 02
    2004 = 05
    2005 = 03
    2006 = 06
    2007 = 06
    2008 = 03
    2009 = 08
    2010 = 03 (In one of these crashes in 2010 the polish prime minister, his wife and members of the cabinet were killed). But leaving that aside, and the fact that these figures are included below, in total there were 54 crashes with famous fatalities)

    Fatalities in air crashes

    2001 = 4140
    2002 = 1413
    2003 = 1230
    2004 = 771
    2005 = 1459
    2006 = 1294
    2007 = 971
    2008 = 884
    2009 = 1103
    2010 = 1115

    Total = 14,380

    Multiplying the under-representative number of famous people 54 by 7000 gives:

    Total = 378,000

    Like I said it does “need some thorough research” so if you have any figures showing that this is a miscalculation I should be happy to consider them.

  34. Forgot to put in the link for the second set of figures.

  35. Habby argues:

    “The implication of Mr Ed Murray’s email, brought to our attention by the Frequent Poster at 20h54, would seem to be that North Korea should not be criticised by the western media because of the existence of food banks and Trident in the UK.”

    Surely the point of Mr Ed Murray’s email is to show that this hack, who writes so scathingly of N Korea, has not and would never write in such terms about the UK.

    A similar acusation, I might add, that you’ve levelled at regulars here, regularly.

    So, further to my post above @9.15pm, which you derided as bickering, here’s a fine example of your good self trying to squeeze a round peg into a square hole.

    Others will just call it hypocrisy, but I think my post above has it bang to rights.

  36. Someone
    27 Jul, 2013 – 4:13 pm

    “Brighton man faces jail for calling Hove MP Mike Weatherley ‘coward’”

    Yes Someone, Section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986 is a catch all law that has been misused by the police and state numerous times for over 20 years.

    The same law was used against David Lawley-Wakelin who interrupted the Leveson inquiry when Blair was giving “evidence”.

    Blair didn’t press charges but that paragon of justice Leveson did.

    What a twat!

    There was no use of bad language or adjectives of swearing. There was no actual threat made to Mr Blair on anyone else.

    It was Lord Leveson who had pushed for prosecution.

    Freedom of speech?

    You can say what you like as long as no one disagrees with you and calls the police.

  37. The biggest number of plane crash deaths in 2001 involved the twin towers. I do not know of any celebrities who were killed in the event. Does anybody?

    I came across this:

    And Donna Summers believed dust from 9/11 led to her death.

    If there were no famous people deaths caused by 9/11 it would bear out the expected figure of 1 in 7000 but be anomalous to airplane crash figures presented in my comment above.

  38. Less than 3000 signatures and there will be 100,000 people nominating Bradley Manning for the Nobel Peace Prize. Please help this good young man.

  39. This “peace” initiative by sewage satanyahu,hostages being freed and all,what really lies behind it? That he has messianic delusions about being remembered as another expansionist hero like dayan is known, but what is his target? Methinks its an expansion up to the Litani River, to include both Syrian and Lebanese territory. The evil seed of the irgun,haganah and stern gangs (who invented the hotel and car bombs way back in the 1940s as we know them today.BTW-the mossad motorcycle assassin is a fairly recent innovation)who are at the heart of zionistani politics,may yet surprise us. But it will have to put Lavon,USS Liberty,Argentina,911 capers to shame, to get past the hawk eyed internet community that is no longer swayed by the MSM harps. But their devilish cunning and deception may finally only be stymied by a whistleblower like in the Barksdale nuclear saga.

  40. “If there were no famous people deaths caused by 9/11 it would bear out the expected figure of 1 in 7000 but be anomalous to airplane crash figures presented in my comment above.”

    Barbara Olson.

  41. “Silly pictures of a silly man on holiday” noticed by a silly mind that takes the silly action of posting them here for her assumed silly friends.

    Subtle propagation of silliness from silly ego-centred mechanical activity jumping from silliness to silliness without any responsibility to one’s own self-created silliness.

    Silliness is not an abstract, it is personified. Only self-awareness can end it.

    One letter in and one letter out gives you Stillness — then respond/go from there and a whole new creative way of life might just emerge. Try it!

  42. Flaming June
    27 Jul, 2013 – 11:07 pm

    Theresa May has had Type 1 diabetes diagnosed.–vows-continue-political-career.html

    “Theresa May reveals she has Type 1 diabetes and needs daily injections… but vows to continue her political career.”

    She makes it sound like a terminal illness.

    “Type 1 diabetes, a chronic illness, carries a risk of heart attacks and strokes.”

    So does being poor!

    I have been a type1 diabetic for the past 30 years and I have 5 injections and 6 blood-glucose tests a day. It’s something you have to get used to.

    I wonder how much she got paid for her story.

  43. “I wonder how much she got paid for her story.”

    You’ll never know that, but what you can know is that it appeared here for free.

  44. Btw, Doug, try fenugreek seeds — they are supposed to be bitter and counter the action of sugar. Please do research it. Probably won’t cure since its well-entrenched but may alleviate gradually.

  45. Villager says, of some Daily Mail story that Mary posted:

    “You’ll never know that, but what you can know is that it appeared here for free.”

    Who would say that?

    It’s kinda like a knee-jerk defence of old media.

    So, who would say that?

  46. Ben now its entertainment time. Nico’s on my mind with mind, mellowness and melody:

    I’ll be your Mirror NICO 1966 Warhol video

    These days

  47. “Who would say that?

    It’s kinda like a knee-jerk defence of old media.

    So, who would say that?”

    Midnight excitability? Don’t know what you’re going on about. I said it appeared in CM’s blog for free. What you smoking? Pass the joint around…

  48. FFS all this Villager babbling its all krishnamurphy to me !

  49. Good Hasbeen have another machiato!

  50. Fred, thank you for that. It still fits the 1 in 7000 criterion. I also notice she died in the Pentagon attack and not the twin towers!

  51. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    29 Jul, 2013 - 7:13 am

    “My post yesterday about Agent Cameron’s intention to impose a tourist bond was purely a extract from a Financial Times article, ie a statement of fact.”

    Quite, which is why I wrote :

    “What an egregiously silly argument, and I’m glad that the Frequent Poster, WHO BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION..”

    “I expressed no opinion on the imposition of the bond,…”

    And nor did I say that you did (although you are on record here as opposing it). But I assume you would agree with me on the silliness/selfishness of the position taken by London’s retailers of luxury goods, surely?

    And now please stop bickering.

  52. Flaming June

    29 Jul, 2013 - 7:18 am

    SFO to receive funding for Barclays probe – FT

    Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:16am BST

    (Reuters) – Britain’s Serious Fraud Office (SFO) is expected to receive about 2 million pounds from the UK Treasury to support its criminal probe into the dealings between Barclays Plc and Qatar Holding, the Financial Times reported on Sunday.

    Barclays is being investigated by the SFO and Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) for an allegation that the bank lent Qatar Holding, a part of the Qatar Investment Authority, money to invest in it as part of a rescue fundraising at the height of the 2008 financial crisis.

    UK rules forbid a public company from giving financial assistance in order to acquire its shares or those of a parent company.

    The bank has been deeply investigated by the FCA, which is now taking a back seat with the SFO probing into other parts of the fundraising, the FT said, citing people familiar with the matter.

    A treasury spokesperson and the SFO declined to comment on the matter, while Barclays was not available for comments outside regular business hours.

    David Green, the head of the SFO, has said he expects to secure extra funding from the government for some complex investigations, partly because the agency’s annual budget has been slashed to around 30 million pounds – a fraction of the budget of some regional police forces.

    Green, who has said he hopes for progress in the Barclays investigation by year end, is already receiving more than 3 million pounds per year in extra government funding the help with the largest and most complex inquiry on his books – the investigation into Libor rate rigging.

    Some lawyers have argued that this so-called ‘surge’ or ‘blockbuster’ funding for specific investigations risks undermining the independence of the SFO, which is battling to restore faith in its crime-busting abilities.

    Barclays, which publishes financial results on Tuesday, is expected to set out plans either to sell bonds that are wiped out if it hits trouble or to raise equity to meet tougher UK rules on capital.

  53. Flaming June

    29 Jul, 2013 - 7:21 am

    A split emerges between Cable and the May cohort of right wingers.

    Vince Cable today attacked Tory colleagues for launching a “stupid and offensive” crackdown on illegal immigrants and accused them of being obsessed with migration figures.

    The Business Secretary said Immigration Minister Mark Harper’s decision to send vans bearing the message “go home, or you’ll be picked up and deported” round London was designed to create fear among the public.


  54. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    29 Jul, 2013 - 7:33 am

    @ Doug Scorgie (23h53 yesterday):

    “I wonder how much she { ie, Theresa May }got paid for her story.”

    May I remind Doug of his request posted on the “getting back into the water” thread at 21h06 on 26 July, which read as follows :

    “When putting points of view forward your opinions must be supported; you should produce your evidence and explain why this evidence supports your point of view; if used, you should always quote sources and give references”.

    Off you go, laddy.

  55. @FJ – signs of an early election, the Torah Party is simply in your face electioneering on its main plank immigration platform with tax payers money. With satanyahu formulating “referendum” laws well in advance of never to be undertaken bogus “road map” peace negotiations,definitely some surprise coming up.

  56. Flaming June

    29 Jul, 2013 - 7:41 am

    Access to the law is now definitely only available to the well off.

    Legal aid cut and judicial reviews cut.

    Funding to go to a tribunal is cut.

    Fees for employment tribunals begin
    The fees were first proposed by the chancellor two years ago

    People bringing employment tribunals must now pay a fee for the first time since they were created in the 1960s.

    Under the new UK rules, they will have to pay £160 or £250 to lodge a claim, with a further charge of either £230 or £950 if the case goes ahead.

    The higher charges will cover cases like unfair dismissal, the lower ones issues such as unpaid invoices.



    Doug Scorgie I attended the Magistrates’ Court when David Lawley Wakelin was fined and convicted. He lives in Shepperton yet they used a shabby looking court miles away in NW London. A decent man who now has a criminal record cycled there. A travesty as you say. The only amusement was the evidence from his protection plods who had not secured a back door into the court entrance behind Leveson. Thick as the proverbial short planks and it gave encouragement to the thought that one day B.Liar will be arrested for his major crimes.

    Meanwhile, he still roams the planet increasing his wealth. I read the other day that he made £170,000 on the sale of a house that has been bought for one of the sons.

  57. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    29 Jul, 2013 - 8:00 am

    @ Doug Scorgie :

    27 Jul, 2013 – 4:13 pm

    “Brighton man faces jail for calling Hove MP Mike Weatherley ‘coward’”

    Yes Someone, Section 5 of the Public Order Act 1986 is a catch all law that has been misused by the police and state numerous times for over 20 years.

    The same law was used against David Lawley-Wakelin who interrupted the Leveson inquiry when Blair was giving “evidence”.”

    Well, I thought the discussion was supposed to be about the Weatherley case, but I have no objection to Mr Scorgie raising the Lawley-Wakelin case if he feels it’s relevant to the Weatherley case.

    Mr Lawley-Wakelin had – and continues to have – numerous possibilities of making plain his feelings about BLiar other than by disrupting a judicial public inquiry in which, by the way, he had no locus.

    Presumably Mr Scorgie would not condone disruption of – to take just a few examples – ordinary court proceedings, religious services, public inquiries and meetings on university campuses. If this assumption is incorrect then it would be interesting to hear more from him on the subject.

    Free speech, it could be argued, does not give every Tom, Dick or Harry the absolute right to shout whatever he wants whenever he wants. That sort of behaviour should be confined – rightly – to blogs such as this one?

    Any way, to get back to the Brighton/Weatherley case: as we’ve had no response from the original poster on whether he would be disposed to follow up on that case and report back, perhaps Mr Scorgie could volonteer to do so? It would be interesting to see what happens in court and whether the alleged disrupter (Mr Cline) is found guilty or acquitted by the magistrates.

    Free speech operates within the confines of law in all countries.

  58. Flaming June

    29 Jul, 2013 - 8:03 am

    I see that Villager replied to my deliberate ‘silly’ post by indulging in some more of his silly preaching. Surely he knows it is the silly season!

  59. Sofia Kibo Noh

    29 Jul, 2013 - 8:07 am

    @Doug and Flaming

    Do you detect the sound of barrels being scraped in far-off Haifa?

    Would you like to help restore Team Hasbarakuk’s “skill and strategies for public diplomacy”?

    Yes? Then wish no more. Just click and get started on a wonderful new career.

  60. Doug Scorgie at 9:44 pm:

    “Habbabkuk, if you want to start a discussion about political, social or human rights abuses in ANY country please do so. Perhaps there could meaningful intercourse on the subject.”

    There would be little point in that, Doug. What would inevitably happen would be that a Murrayista would find some instance of Western support for that country’s regime in the past, or blame the situation on colonialism, and the finger of blame would be pointed straight back at the West!

  61. Flaming June

    29 Jul, 2013 - 8:23 am

    Bradley Manning’s ‘trial’ contd.

    Hanging judge, kangaroo court, etc etc.

    “The Government has pushed this case beyond the bounds of legal propriety. If the Government meant ‘information’, it should have charged information,” explains defense attorney David Coombs in legal filings last week.

    Two years ago, Army PFC Bradley Manning was charged with five counts of stealing government property, in violation of federal statute 18 U.S.C. 641. He faces 21 total charges for providing WikiLeaks with classified information at the court martial entering its final stage. After the Government rested its case against PFC Manning, defense lawyer David Coombs detailed how the evidence presented did not support those five 18 U.S.C. 641 charges. He appealed to military judge Col. Denise Lind to dismiss them outright; however, she let them stand. Shockingly, she then stepped away from her role as the “finder of fact,” and into a clearly partisan role by allowing the Government to significantly alter its charges on July 24, 2013–long after all legal arguments had been made.


    Transcripts here

  62. Sofia Kibo Noh

    29 Jul, 2013 - 8:36 am

    @Anon. 8 11am


    You got it in a nutshell.

    “…the finger of blame would be pointed straight back at the West!”

    Now that you are, at last, getting the the hang of explaining how the New World Disorder works I’m off to enjoy the outdoors, secure in the knowledge that you can explain to Dad the futility of genuine debate.

  63. One of H’s recurrent questions, replayed above:

    I was just wondering why the Eminences are so vocal about human rights in the US and the west in general (and human rights abuses perpetrated by these countries elsewhere) but remain rather silent when it comes to human rights abuses perpetrated by other countries.

    Have you any idea why this should be so?

    1. Because these are our countries and their allies, and the abuses are conducted in our name. We object.
    2. Because, by and large we are better informed on these countries, being residents of them, and have no desire to expose our ignorance of others.
    3. Because we are actively interested in specific countries or regions. Our choice, not yours.

    Any permutation or combination of the above.

    And do feel free to post your informed thoughts on Eritrea/Somalia/Azerbaijan/wherever. With references or other salient evidence. How do you view Mugabe’s forthcoming inevitable election? What is the price of wheat in Belorus? And, if you can bring yourself to so much as consider the matter, do you think it even possible that the imminent talks between the Israeli Palestinians and the Israeli Zionists in New York will end in something other than complete failure, and why?

    So many questions. But we Eminences note that you excrescences don’t even try to do answers. Let alone justify them.


  64. Flaming June, And they changed their own laws to hold Bradley Manning in prison longer than was legal. The United States has no sense of what is legal any more. I feel sorry for its people.

  65. Komodo, thanks. I echo that view. Last night Phil @ 7.54 pm asked me what figures I had to justify my conclusion that famous people were much more likely to die in crashes than ordinary individuals. I put together some figures that showed that famous people were 26 times more likely to die in plane crashes than what would be expected. Nobody commented probably because they do not want to bring attention to the fact that my conclusion was right and that is one of the reasons why we should stop going off at a tangent to feed the trolls.

  66. Sofia Kibo Noh

    29 Jul, 2013 - 9:09 am

    John Goss
    28 Jul, 2013 – 10:33 pm

    Re famous People are 26 times more likely to die in plane accidents.

    Thanks for doing the research.

    The trolls won’t answer because they can’t, but I’ve glad they sent you off on that productive tangent. Your effort wasn’t wasted.

    Now I’m definitely off out for the day.

  67. Flaming June

    29 Jul, 2013 - 9:17 am

    I echo Sofia’s comment John. Thanks.

  68. Thanks for the link to Shagirim, Sophia. I note that one of the Ambassadors is a Mr. Stuart Palmer, who is also involved in the Coalition of Hasbara Volunteers …(you’d really think that ‘Hasbara’ is getting to be such a dirty word, they’d think of a new euphemism, but no)

    My enthusiasm for defending the destruction of Palestinian crops, the construction of new settlements for Americans and Europeans ‘returning’ to the land G-d and Lloyd George so generously gave them, for live trials of new weaponry on a nearby ghetto new homeland for non-Jews, and all the other wonderful things Israel does, led me further:

    He even likes Melanie Phillips. And pro-Israel propaganda (sic). Er. Stuart, we don’t actually call it that, do we? Or have we suddenly discovered honesty?

    If you would like to become involved in pro-Israel propaganda contact Stuart Palmer, Director Blog (redacted) Tel (redacted) , Mobile (redacted) Email:(redacted)

    Redactions by me -K

  69. ‘Destabilize, demoralize and dismantle’. That is the ConDem plan for the NHS.

    NHS Direct seeks to completely pull out of the 111 service. So what happens next?

  70. Thanks Sofia and Flaming June. I got a blog out of the work.

  71. Jonathan Cook on the Guardian and Palestinian refugees

  72. Useful point, Dreoilin. And one which had escaped me.

    UNRWA is a United Nations agency established by the General Assembly in 1949 and is mandated to provide assistance and protection to a population of some 5 million registered Palestine refugees. Its mission is to help Palestine refugees in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, West Bank and the Gaza Strip to achieve their full potential in human development, pending a just solution to their plight. UNRWA’s services encompass education, health care, relief and social services, camp infrastructure and improvement, and microfinance.

    Financial support to UNRWA has not kept pace with an increased demand for services caused by growing numbers of registered refugees, expanding need, and deepening poverty. As a result, the Agency’s General Fund (GF), supporting UNRWA’s core activities and 97 per cent reliant on voluntary contributions, has begun each year with a large projected deficit. Currently the deficit stands at US$ 58.5 million.

  73. More than 99,000 signatures on the Nobel Peace Prize for Bradley Manning campaign. The support is phenomenal.

  74. Any applicants? £60k

    MI5’s Mystery Ad For Health And Safety Chief

    The security service wants someone to ensure its operations are safe but candidates will hardly be told any details about the job.


    There are sixteen current vacancies

  75. Garda Karmi and B.Liar’s stooge Lord Levy! on the ‘peace’ talks. Radio 4 Today this am.

  76. “Father of Edward Snowden issues open letter to Obama denouncing “Orwellian surveillance programs””

  77. 2hrs 50mins in on

    On the same topic and later in the programme.

    Israeli and Palestinian negotiators are to resume stalled peace talks in Washington on Monday, the US State Department has announced. Bronwen Maddox, a British-based Anglo-American journalist, and Simon Tisdall, an assistant editor at the Guardian, discuss how effective the talks will be.

  78. “Lord Levy”

    “Chai Patel (1.5m), Sir David Garrard (1m) and Barry Townsley (1m) all gave this money to Lord Levy (Blair’s bagman). It has now been revealed that over £14 million in loans was raised by Levy before the 2005 election.”

  79. Komodo says:

    Because these are our countries and their allies, and the abuses are conducted in our name. We object.

    An excellent observation. Throughout this thread and others too, the hasbara vermin constantly point out the same feeble, weak, inane propositions; why don’t you talk about this abuse, instead of that?

    Further, these foreign interests pedler brigade, constantly refer to the West as an extension of their own property, as manifested by the disdain that is apportioned to anyone of us who wish to put our own house in order!

    These pissant foreign support elements verily believe we are tenets in our own lands in the West,. Hence, in a fashion after their treatment of the Palestinians, these hasbara vermin decry our attempts making our lands a better place to live in . It is high time that these elements were reminded, that our gracious tolerance in allowing these foreign interest pedlers to comment on matters concerning our own affairs, somehow does not imply ownership of the West and matters thereof to these neo settlers.

    You nave raised very good points, and these points should be elaborated further, and more comprehensively in a rebuttal to the constant of torrent of the evident disdain at directed at those who are intent on making the West a better place. Further, it should be explained that the simple assumption of these hasbara vermin being; anyone who criticises them must be a “Muslim”, “Arab”, …. etc. is the basis for these neo settlers to dream of owning the West!

  80. Was posting this when my “internet service provider” chopped me off suddenly. Maybe something to do with the thunder, lightning and heavy rain!

    “Thousands of birds in UK zoos are victims of ‘pinioning’, a practice where the end of one wing is permanently amputated. Pinioned goosePinioning is carried out on baby birds at only a few days old, usually without any pain relief. Why? To prevent them from escaping from captivity and so zoo visitors can get close to them. These birds will be disabled for life and will never fly.

    “Add your name to the petition below to demand an end to this cruel practice and to tell the zoo industry and the government: Mutilating any animal to keep them in captivity is never acceptable!”

  81. WRONG.

    Plays into the enemy’s hands, and makes you look insecure, Hamas. Revoke the ban immediately. Even if the item is malicious Saudi/Fatah propaganda.

  82. Unexplained death of “white hat” hacker

    Famed hacker Barnaby Jack dies a week before hacking convention

  83. Flaming June

    29 Jul, 2013 - 1:20 pm

    The witch is dead!

    BREAKING NEWS:Lady Thatcher’s funeral cost taxpayers £1.2 million, according to figures released by the government

    I would have dig a hole here for a fiver and she could have laid alongside the remains of two dear cats and two dear dogs.

  84. “Obama’s SEAL Team 6 Coverup – Explosive Paul Craig Roberts Interview”


    Indyk. Who he? Oh, yes…

    After the spectacular failure of Camp David negotiations that he helped conduct in 2000, Indyk was characterized by former Palestinian negotiator Mohammed Dahlan as having a pro-Israel bias and “advanced negative attitudes toward Palestinians.”

    While former Palestinian negotiator Nabil Shaath said that Indyk was “partial, biased, pro-Israel” and defended Israeli settlements more than Israelis did.

    Just the man.

  86. NSA Director = Bilderberg attendee

  87. Dreoilin 29 Jul, 2013 – 1:27 pm
    “NSA Director = Bilderberg attendee

    The source of the claim on that link seems to be an unattributed list of names provided by alex jones.

  88. You might like this better, Phil-

    Looks unimpeachable to me, but maybe it’s a forgery?

    Mandelson and Shell figure prominently too.

  89. Mandelson was there this year, too, in exactly the same influence-sucking an entirely different capacity. Ed Balls also outed as a globalist. Labour, eh? Gotta love them.

    This year’s list:

  90. Hmmm. Not completely disabled then?

    I’ll check back in a while and see if the report’s still there….

  91. doug scorgie

    29 Jul, 2013 - 2:18 pm

    Flaming June
    28 Jul, 2013 – 12:36 pm

    “Are the Palestinians considered to be ‘citizens’? Will they get a vote?”

    “Israeli cabinet backs referendum bill for peace process”

    “The Israeli cabinet has approved a bill requiring any peace deal with the Palestinians to be put to a referendum.”

    Mary, Palestinians living in Israel (“proper”) will get to vote.

    No Palestinians in the West Bank will be able to vote. However all Jewish settlers in the west bank will have the vote.

    That’s Israeli democracy for you.

  92. Thanks Komodo.
    I can’t check – my connection’s too wonky;

  93. Komodo 29 Jul, 2013 – 2:03 pm
    “You might like this better, Phil-”

    I wonder where these lists come from. Are there any attendance lists whose provenance is endorsed by someone we might trust?

    Both the official lists I looked at lack all the military/spooks names that the unofficial lists have.

    According to foi request doc from the us gov, the general secretary of the tuc attended in 1996:

  94. Dreoilin at 12.39 pm.

    Signed and spread.

  95. Ok, the nsa director alexander is listed on the official bilderberg list for 2012:

  96. Are there any attendance lists whose provenance is endorsed by someone we might trust?

    Depends who you trust, doesn’t it? And where you find the endorsement. F’rinstance if I found a authentic-looking mediaeval document outlining the early history of the Illuminati lizards on the David Icke site, with the annotation, “This document has been verified and is confirmed genuine by Jesus Christ”, my disbelief would be automatic. But there’s no particular reason to lie about Alexander’s attendance at Bilderberg – he seems like a probable attendee, indeed – and less still to forge document facsimiles, such as the one I linked, to encourage that belief. The balance of probability is that he was, IMO. That’s my null hypothesis. Got a better one? Tell us, with at least as much adduced evidence, please.

    Personally, I’m much more worried that oleaginous crawling vermin like Mandelson are encouraged (it’s by invitation) to promote their personal agendas at these functions. Someone whose record is an unbroken catalogue of policies adopted and actions taken in his own interest alone is not someone I like to think is influencing global events in any way at all.

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