Don’t Celebrate Yet 320


There is no obvious reason why the Western powers should care whether it was the friends or the family of Mohammed which took over the leadership of his movement upon his death.  However there is plainly an agenda led by the USA to support the Sunnis in their spiralling regional conflict with the Shia.

This is not hard to rationalise.  The ultra wealthy members of the Gulf regimes continue to act as the West’s proxies in the region and provide  harbour to its neo-imperialist armed forces, while at the same time maintaining themselves a obscurantist version of Islam which would have horrified Mohammed and breaks virtually every precept of the Koran, particularly as regards treatment of women and of minority religions within their territory.

In Bahrain the large Shia majority is brutally repressed with active western collusion; in Saudi Arabia the Shia minority in the East is degraded.  Iran is the great Shia bogey, and the West is so determined to maintain it as “the enemy” that they refuse the most basic diplomatic openings.  The UK turned down an invitation to be represented at the inauguration of a new more moderate President and hold initial conversations.  Meanwhile, Shia groups have mustered the only effective military resistance to Israeli aggression, and in Syria a Shia friendly regime is under intense pressure from the West and its Gulf allies.  Peculiarly, in Iraq Western invasion resulted in the installation of a Shia regime, but that was only one of the entirely unforeseen consequences of that most stupid of invasions, and the Western response is to try to split up the country and fuel multiple insurgencies.

Meantime the CIA have now got a controlled and pro-Israeli military dictatorship back in power in Egypt, while the extraordinary complicity of the mainstream media and entire political class in the United States has never been more evident than in the acceptance that the military coup will not be designated a military coup.  The manipulation of Western public opinion in the Syrian chemical weapons episode has, rarely, been too blatant to work.  But events in Turkey and Egypt have shown that western public opinion is easily manipulated by the “secularist” angle.  No matter how ugly political forces are – and in Turkey the Kemalists are very ugly – call them “secularist” and hide the rest, and you can attempt to topple elected governments in their favour with the full throated support of the media cheerleaders.

Last night’s vote in the Commons is welcome, but a blip.  It owes more to political tribalism than to principle.  Miliband and New Labour did not oppose military action, they merely wanted to be seen to be dictating the terms.  As neither Tories nor Labour were prepared to accept the other’s terms for military action, the anti war minority could combine with the tribalists of each to make sure everything got defeated.  Good but fortuitous.

The media are still in full war cry.  Ashdown has never been so ashamed, apparently.  He is not ashamed by extraordinary rendition and our torturing people.  He is not ashamed of our responsibility for the death of hundreds of thousands in Iraq, with 2,000 people a day still meeting terrible deaths.  He is ashamed that we don’t respond to the deaths of children by chemical weapons, we don’t really know at whose hands, by blasting to pieces a lot more children.  Well, Paddy, you are a merciless fool who thinks a spiral of death is the answer, and I have never been more ashamed that I was for most of my adult life a member of the Liberal Democrats.

Ashdown did say bitterly that there was now no point in having such large armed forces.  Hallelujah!  The danger to the establishment that people might realise that spending more on weapons systems than on hospitals is a poor choice, is one reason this is not over.  Much is at stake for the security state.  Expect a mounting barrage of propaganda on the need for action in Syria.  This is just the start.

 

 


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  • Hamlins

    John Kerry looks like the spooky guy ‘Balok’ from the original Star Trek opening sequence.

  • AlcAnon

    If Obama bombs in the next 48 hours I think I believe the wildest conspiracy stuff that allegedly happened to him as a kid. Couldn’t handle the damage.

    Surprise me Obama,

  • Hamlins

    “Ed as a guest (twice now) on Test Match Special comes across as a real person who genuinely loves cricket. Cameron doesn’t.”

    I met Ed Milliband informally many years ago and seeing the occasional recognisable (priggish) glimpses of the same man today is slighty reassuring, at least he’s not some Blair type sociopath I suppose.

  • Hamlins

    The real reason the French are joining the US this time and not the UK is because it’s their turn with the aircraft carrier.

  • AlcAnon

    Hamlins,

    I’m hoping whatever made him oppose his brother is hiding behind the “clue-less” front.

    Thought there was a certain confidence in today’s interviews, I hadn’t seen before.

    Perhaps he cold win the next election. He’s got so far already.

    But then I’ve been fooled before

  • Jives

    Alcanon,

    You’re right.When Sarah Palin is the voice of restraint the shit has gone real weird.

    Some kind of major axis shift or summat very unexplainable anyway.

    To quote Hunter S Thompson:

    “When the going gets weird,the weird turn pro..”

    🙂

  • Jemand

    Does anyone else get a sense that something was not quite right with Cameron going gung-ho ahead US rhetoric, then happily backing down when parliament scuttled plans for military action?

    Is it possible that forseeing that Western action in Syria would prove to be a costly mistake for his government but not wishing to appear to defy US pressure to support military action, he deliberately crashed the plan to give him a way out?

  • Exexpat

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/black-budget/

    The latest national security related revelation to come from the documents leaked by Edward Snowden is an account of how offensive computer operations work, and how many there are. The Washington Post reports that in 2011, 231 took place with about three quarters of them against “top-priority” targets, which its sources indicate include Iran, Russia, China and North Korea. Also interesting are details of software and hardware implants designed to infiltrate network hardware, persist through upgrades and access other connected devices or networks. The effort to break into networks is codenamed Genie, while the “Tailored Access Operations” group custom-builds tools to execute the attacks. One document references a new system “Turbine” that automates control of “potentially millions of implants” to gather data or execute an attack. All of this access isn’t possible for free however, with a total cyber operations budget of $1.02 billion which includes $25.1 million spent this year to purchase software vulnerabilities from malware vendors.

  • Jives

    Jemand 4.41am,

    Yep.A perfectly valid reading of events.Cameron may ultimately gain votes by this.

    Ive already heard a few Labour supporters declare their respect for his willingness to go to the vote,potentially damaging as it was,and abide by the decision.These people are intrepreting it as Cameron’s respecting of democratic process.

    Interesting times eh?

  • tigger1

    The best sentence: “This is consistent with U.S. foreign policy of the past.”

    Whole quote:
    WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report);Attempting to quell criticism of his proposal for a limited military mission in Syria, President Obama floated a more modest strategy today, saying that any U.S. action in Syria would haveno objective whatsoever.

    Let me be clear,he said in an interview on CNN. Our goal will not be to effect régime change, or alter the balance of power in Syria, or bring the civil war there to an end. We will simply do something random there for one or two days and then leave.

    I want to reassure our allies and the people of Syria that what we are about to undertake, if we undertake it at all, will have no purpose or goal he said. This is consistent with U.S. foreign policy of the past.;

    While Mr. Obama clearly hoped that his proposal of a brief and pointless intervention in Syria would reassure the international community, it immediately drew howls of protest from U.S. allies, who argued that two days was too open-ended a timeframe for such a mission.

    That criticism led White House spokesman Jay Carney to brief reporters later in the day, arguing that the President was willing to scale down the U.S. mission to “twenty-four hours, thirty-six tops.

    It may take twenty-four hours, but it could also take twelve, Mr. Carney said.

    Maybe we get in there, take a look around, and get out right away. But however long it takes, one thing will not change: this mission will have no point. The President is resolute about that.

  • Krishnamurky

    The dual loyalty Scottish lithuanian jew devil Rifkind, Chairman of the JIC, rose up to contribute cynically in Parliament with his “logic” about Syrian Government “culpability”. The Synagogue of Satan is known for such dershowitzian logic, can somebody please tell them we are now able to see through their yarmulke, the spell is broken – madofs wife was laughed out of court in NY. But Judge Hellerstein in New York will not desist from making judgements against Iran/ayatullahs for being responsible for 911, sheesh!! We get daily reminders of this satanic obtuse “logic” at this blog from our in-house madofs wives -anon/habba/hoffman!

    The key to winning the second vote is to get this “compelling” yiddish logic falsehood about Assad being responsible, clearly seen as false by the public. Rifkind needs to be deported from Pentlands to his penthouse in Pardesiya pronto, before he causes the loss of several thousand British lives.

  • oddie

    give thanx:

    AFP: Egypt Rejects Military Action in Syria, Will not Participate in It
    In the same context, several Egyptian political parties expressed their
    rejection to any military intervention in Syria.
    The Egyptian Al-Ahram daily reported that Egypt’s “Rebel” Campaign’s
    (Tamrrod) Spokesman Mahmoud Badr said that “he supports the Syrian Arab
    Army’s intention to confront the anticipated US military strike on Syria,”
    rejecting any foreign military intervention within Arab territories.
    Similarly, the liberal “Free Egyptian Party” considered in a statement
    issued Wednesday that “a military strike against Syria will further inflame
    and complicate the Middle East and will not solve the Syrian issue.”
    The party also condemned a possible military intervention in Syria,
    reaffirming its solidarity with the Syrian people, and called upon the “wise
    people in the world” to “put pressure on governments to stop the attack on
    Syria in order to prevent another Iraqi scenario.”
    “A military intervention in Syria will only result in destruction,
    devastation, thousands of dead and injured, and millions of displaced and
    refugees,” the statement read.
    http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?eid=108128&cid=21&fromval=1&frid=21&seccatid=19&s1=1

    Youtube: Technology’s Role In the Arab Spring Protests
    Jared Cohen, Director of Google Ideas, elaborates on the role Twitter and other social media tools have played in the Arab Spring demonstrations and protests. “Technology accelerates everything,” says Cohen…
    Jared Cohen is the Director of Google Ideas, an Adjunct Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, and a non-fiction author. He served as a Member of the Secretary of State’s Policy Planning Staff from 2006-2010. In September 2010, Cohen was named by the Huffington Post as one of the 100 game changers of the year and by Devex as one of the top 40 people under 40.
    Initially brought in by Condoleezza Rice as the youngest member in history, he is politically transcendent and has continued to play an important role under Hillary Clinton. In this capacity, he focuses on counter-terrorism, counter-radicalization, Middle East/South Asia, Youth, and Technology.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZwNb11n9zk

    tragically, most “progressive” pundits online have mis-read Egypt’s Tamarod Revolution. meanwhile, MSM – especially BBC – are still pining daily, even as i type this comment, for Morsi.

    what drama catherine ashton’s cloak & dagger visit to Morsi! she gravely reported how she looked in his fridge and sounded relieved to find it well stocked! Egypt should never have been rushed into an election after the revolution. there is a process ongoing now, which will take time. my suggestion is they go for a Swiss political model – a coalition council with rotating presidencies, until all the democratic institutions can be put in place.

  • oddie

    28 Aug: Jewish Press: Crisis:Egypt may stop Warships headed for Syria at Suez Canal
    The current Egyptian leadership may close the Suez Canal to warships in an effort to block a western attack on Assad’s Syria
    http://www.jewishpress.com/news/egyptians-may-shut-suez-canal-as-bar-to-wests-anti-assad-efforts/2013/08/28/

    29 Aug: Fox: AP: Egypt bans Israeli ship that caught fire from docking at Suez Canal port for repairs
    Egyptian officials have denied permission for an Israeli container ship needing repairs to dock at a port at the southern tip of the Suez Canal.
    Brig. Gen. Mohsin Hamad says the ship lacked certification from the International Maritime Organization that is required for entry to Egyptian ports and the canal…
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/08/29/egypt-bans-israeli-ship-that-caught-fire-from-docking-at-suez-canal-port-for/

  • oddie

    by Azza Radwan Sedky, Retired university prof., citizen journalist, writer, author of Cairo – https://twitter.com/azzasedky

    July: A people’s coup
    Only in Egypt does this happen. Only in Egypt does a coup, if you want to call it so, occur with the approval and cheers of a whole nation. This is definitely not a military coup but a people’s one…
    On June 30th, 2013, all Egypt went to the streets and demanded Morsi’s resignation having been not only deeply dissatisfied but also extremely worried by the outcomes of his rule. They also kept their fingers crossed hoping that the army would support them in their call. And the army did.
    The army did not spring this “revolt” on Egypt. It saw Egypt on the street, anticipated bloodshed and chaos, and gave the president, and everyone else, a 48-hour ultimatum: get the country back on track and reach an agreement or
    we will intervene. It met with the president and it also met with religious and opposition leaders, and ultimately decided that Egypt had reached an impasse.
    Morsi’s response to the ultimatum was to pursue the same tone and the same lies; that he is the legal president and should remain so, and that the millions on the streets want mayhem…
    In addition, a military coup is usually undertaken by those who seek power, but the Egyptian army isn’t doing that. Al Sissi, the Minister of Interior, during his historic statement, had over 20 renowned Egyptians sitting next to him, announcing to the world and Egypt, that they are backing the move.
    Coptic Pope Tawadros and El Azhar’s Sheikh El Tayeb were there; El Baradie, representing opposition leaders was there; the glorious Tamarod youths were there, even the head of the El Nour Party, the Salafi party was there; and many more. This congregation told the world that Al Sissi was not
    functioning on his own but as a spokesperson for all Egypt. The only missing group was the Ikhwans, the Freedom and Justice Party…
    Today Egypt is at peace with itself. It’ll take time to get her on track, but the slippery slope it was set on has been derailed.
    Now Egyptians want the world to see what happened for its true worth: a move in the right direction. Egyptians now want the world to celebrate with them and not criticize them for fixing the wrong.
    Egyptians are in seventh heaven. Be happy for them.
    http://azzasedky.typepad.com/egypt/2013/07/a-peoples-coup.html

  • Krishnamurky

    Kerry says 1429 were killed by gas and in rebel held areas, AGREED. The next question is, HOW MUCH chemical weapon was required to cause these many fatalities over that wide rebel held area. NEXT how many rockets were fired from Government held area as he tells us, a million or two million, NO !! NOT EVEN 10 !! So WHERE DID ALL THESE tons of chemical weaponry required come from?? Answer – IT WAS ALREADY THERE ON THE GROUND SUPPLIED BY ….? ISRAEL & BANDAR BUSH !! The crypto Kohn has shot himself in the foot, publicly, the damned fool! No wonder the hillybillys and rednecks have become worldwide laughing stock, bwahahahahahahahaha!

  • Mary - for Truth and Justice

    Jon Could you please clear up the question on the provenance of that comment from Habbabkuk. It would be helpful.

    Dreoilin says on the previous page that I was ‘believed’ in denying a connection to the Stormfront smear. I should hope that I was believed. Smears and dirty tricks are not in my nature.

  • Sofia Kibo Noh

    Hamlins
    31 Aug, 2013 – 3:02 am

    “We know that after a decade of conflict, the American people are tired of war — believe me, I am, too, but fatigue does not absolve us of our responsibility. Just longing for peace does not necessarily bring it about. And history would judge us all extraordinarily harshly if we turned a blind eye to a dictator’s wanton use of weapons of mass destruction against all warnings, against all common understanding of decency.”

    What, “longing for peace”?… “common understanding of decency”?

    And here’s a man who’s calling for Blitzkrieg!

    What a lot of “Baloks”

  • Sofia Kibo Noh

    Clarification:

    I was quoting Kerry (Startrek “Balok” dead-ringer) there not Hamlins.

  • Mitch

    Excellent analysis of situation and it’s precedents:

    http://www.corbettreport.com/episode-279-who-is-really-behind-the-syrian-war/

    Given that the pretext for attacking Syria is falling apart before the public’s eyes, why is the US preparing to wage war on that country? Who benefits from the ongoing destabilization of Assad’s government? What will the Middle East look like if the Sunnis take over Syria? What is Israel’s role in this? What do Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia have to gain from a war in Syria? And what does Bandar Bush have to do with all of this? Join us today on The Corbett Report as we discuss these and other pressing issues as the world stands on the brink of yet another US-led Middle Eastern military adventure.

    Documentation
    New poll: Syria intervention even less popular than Congress
    Time Reference: 02:05

    White House ‘No Doubt Chemical Weapons Used In Syria’
    Time Reference: 02:18

    Poll States 60% Of Americans Against U.S. Intervention In Syria
    Time Reference: 02:46

    World Disagrees on Possible Intervention in Syria
    Time Reference: 03:15

    John Kerry Remarks on Syria
    Time Reference: 03:45

    Dozens in NYC, Washington protest possible U.S. action in Syria
    Time Reference: 04:08

    Barack Obama lays out plans for Syria strike on US television
    Time Reference: 04:17

    Protesters Gather Outside Downing St To Oppose Syria Intervention
    Time Reference: 04:50

    HEATED Moments in UK Parliament Debate over Attack on Syria
    Time Reference: 05:01

    BREAKING: British PM David Cameron Loses Commons Vote on Syria Action in UK Parliament
    Time Reference: 05:20

    Did the White House Help Plan the Syrian Chemical Attack?
    Time Reference: 06:42

    Wesley Clark reveals the PNAC plan to destabilize the Middle East
    Time Reference: 08:32

    FBI investigates Feith, Wolfowitz, others for ties to Israeli spy
    Time Reference: 12:13

    Greater Israel: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East
    Time Reference: 13:06

    The Zionist Plan for the Middle East
    Time Reference: 13:35
    Graphic: Iran’s Shia Land Bridge to Lebanon & Mediterranean
    Time Reference: 16:23

    Brookings’ “Which Path to Persia?”
    Time Reference: 17:01

    Iran, Iraq, Syria sign major gas pipeline deal
    Time Reference: 18:36

    William Engdahl website
    Time Reference: 20:33

    William Engdahl on Syria, the Eurasian integration and the “shale revolution”
    Time Reference: 20:51

    Pepe Escobar on The Corbett Report
    Time Reference: 30:27

    War Against Iran, Iraq, and Syria?
    Time Reference: 30:40

    Sibel Edmonds Explains Who’s At the Top of the Pyramid
    Time Reference: 40:34

    “No Way No More” by The Banksters
    Time Reference: 49:21

  • Sofia Kibo Noh

    Mitch. 9 42am

    Thanks for Corbert Report take on Syria coverage.

    @Mary. 9 04am

    Re the disputed Habba post yesterday, I’ve been waiting for Jon to check it out.

    I had the same reaction of incredulity when I read it as I did when I saw the Stormfront post in your name.

    I hope Jon can shed some light on where it came from. I don’t like the idea of deletion or banning, either for content or dirty tricks.

    If he didn’t post it I think we should know and also learn where it came from. It would be good to know there are depths that even Habba will not plumb. If he did, I think the post should remain for all to see.

    In the meantime it’s good to see you around again.

    Here’s JFJFP shining some light on the Palestinian dimension to the Syria story,

    http://jfjfp.com/?p=47998

    Sixty five years on and Palestinian spirit is still unbroken,

    http://electronicintifada.net/content/return-permanent-refugees-grandchildren-defy-israel-galilee-camp/12711

  • NR

    From a Mark Steyn piece in rightist National Review.
    “… an unnamed official speaking to the Los Angeles Times, “the White House is carefully calibrating a military action “just muscular enough not to get mocked.”””

    He has other good ones:
    “Syria: ‘Napalm’ Bomb Dropped on School Playground, BBC Claims” — which, if true, suggests that even a blood-soaked mass murderer is not without a sense of humor. Napalm, eh? There’s a word I haven’t heard since, oh, 40 years ago or thereabouts, somewhere in the general vicinity of southeast Asia.”
    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/357287/accidental-war-mark-steyn

    Big mistake switching to Napalm pics after the pics of gassed kids didn’t work. That stuff is forever linked to USA.

    Warmongering media has, of course, come up with cooked polls, headlined “50% of Americans oppose military intervention,” subtly implying 50% are in favour. Reading further, only 40% are in favour, rest undecided. And reading further into the metrics, they admit a small sample and only some respondents were asked certain questions and margin of error of 3.7% only applies to all answers to all questions. Therefore, on critical questions the margin of error could be 90% for all we know.

    Some sources are saying that on Friday, Kerry used the already discredited BBC foto from Iraq, 2005. I cannot verify this, but put it here anyway, following standards of new
    journalism/propaganda. Everything on the Internet is simultaneously true/untrue anyway, like quantum physics.

    Checked some far-left sites. Where previously they were mostly anti-intervention, now that an insta-mini-war is inevitable, they’re squabbling over how best to defend Obama. There are a few principled exceptions, such as Congresswoman Barbara Lee, who was the single vote against Gulf War II.

  • oddie

    lots of talk online in US about stealth bombers & similar heading out & not returning to their US bases, so the weaponry would seem to be building up. meanwhile, who can u trust Syria?

    29 Aug: RIA Novosti: Worried About Strikes on Syria? Not Really
    War
    One thing Russia will not do is fight for Syria. Lavrov said it explicitly Monday, and pundits were unequivocal in agreeing he meant it. Like many recent US-led military operations, a strike against Syria simply would not touch enough on Russia’s vital geopolitical interests, leaving Moscow without an incentive to expend the considerable economic and military effort required by overseas military operations, analysts said…
    http://en.ria.ru/analysis/20130829/183047608/Russia-Worried-About-Strikes-on-Syria-Not-Really.html

    LIKE IN LIBYA???

    29 Aug: RIA Novosti: Russians Don’t Care About Syria – Poll
    Thirty-four percent of respondents said Russia should not support either side but try to capitalize on the conflict, and the same amount of respondents had nothing to say on the issue. Twenty-one percent said Russia should support Syria, and 11 percent called for it to side with the West…
    ???However, the number of those supporting a foreign peacekeeping intervention in Syria, like in Libya in 2011 – when NATO forces helped oust longtime leader Muammar Gaddafi – almost doubled to reach 22 percent since a similar poll in March last year. Forty percent opposed a foreign invasion of Syria, and 38 percent were undecided…
    http://en.ria.ru/russia/20130829/183049404/Russians-Dont-Care-About-Syria–Poll.html

    MORE ON LAVROV:

    27 Aug: YALIBAN: Russia will not fight with anyone over Syria, says Lavrov
    Russia will not use its military if Western forces move into Syria, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in an emergency press conference that was called due to the sudden escalation in the situation around the country…
    Moscow is extremely concerned with the aggressive statements coming from the West, and Russian experts warn that military intervention in Syria will lead to a break-up of the country.
    “We do not intend to fight with anyone. We continue to expect that our Western partners will apply their policies strategically and not reactively,” said Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. However, he made it clear that invading Syria would be a flagrant violation of international law, similar to operations in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya…
    Russian Council on Foreign Affairs specialist Mikhail Troitsky also believes that, if Western forces attack, “Government troops will be immediately destroyed, and President Assad — along with his closest aides — will most likely be forced to go into hiding in Alawite parts of the country.”…
    http://www.yalibnan.com/2013/08/27/russia-will-not-fight-with-anyone-over-syria-says-lavrov/

  • oddie

    31 Aug: RIA Novosti: Russia Delays Arms Supplies to Syria over Money – Paper
    Russia is postponing supplies of fighter jets and S-300 missile defense systems to Syria because official Damascus failed to pay for them, Kommersant newspaper said Saturday…
    The 12 MiG-29M/M2 jets that Russia agreed to sell to Syria will not be supplied before 2016-2017, the daily said, citing an unnamed source at Russian state arms exports monopoly Rosoboronexport.
    Though the deal was sealed in 2007, shipping was delayed over technicalities and then put on hold because Syria has only paid Moscow 30 percent of what it owes for the jets, Kommersant said…
    http://en.ria.ru/world/20130831/183075695/Russia-Delays-Arms-Supplies-to-Syria-over-Money–Paper.html

    30 Aug: RIA Novosti: Kremlin Unaware of Syrian S-300 Missile Contract Payment – Aide
    ***The S-300 would be a largely useless weapon for use in the civil war that the Syrian government has been waging since 2011 because the Syrian rebels have no air force, but would be a huge obstacle to Western powers opposed to the Assad regime if they tried to carry out air strikes against Damascus, analysts have previously told RIA Novosti.
    Russia is currently locked in commercial arbitration with Syria’s ally and neighbor Iran over a suspended contract for delivery of S-300 missiles.
    http://en.ria.ru/world/20130830/183063527/Kremlin-Unaware-of-Syrian-S-300-Missile-Contract-Payment—Aide.html

    saw this comment on the S300s on some website & copied it but not the url:

    “If you had respect the contract , the delivery of the S-300 would have, most probably, prevent an attack on Syria.
    Alas, as usual, you are so afraid of Israel and their poodle, the US Congres, that you made the same mistake with Syria and with Iran. As soon as Syria is out, the Hezbollah will be out and then you’ll get the USA at your borders in Iran. It will be too late. I suppose you know that. Unable, too weak, to react? A little declaration from Russia : ” Syria is a red line for Russia ” Don’t croos !”

    31 Aug: RIA Novosti: US Strike on Syria Inadmissible, Even if ‘Limited’ – Moscow
    At the same time, Turkey, a key US ally in the region and Syria’s neighbor, said a “limited” action against Syria will not be enough to satisfy Ankara and a full-fledged military intervention in Syria, similar to the one in Kosovo in 1999, is needed.
    “A limited military action will not satisfy us. It [the intervention] should be like in Kosovo,” Turkish daily Hurriyet quoted Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan as saying…
    http://en.ria.ru/russia/20130831/183072494/US-Strike-on-Syria-Inadmissible-Even-if-Limited—Moscow.html

  • oddie

    i heard the terrific corbett report before finding all the Russian pieces but, when i was listening about the iran/iraq/syria/lebanon so-called “islamic pipeline”, i thought well, Russia probably would see it as a rival too. very depressing.

  • Dreoilin

    “Dreoilin says on the previous page that I was ‘believed’ in denying a connection to the Stormfront smear. I should hope that I was believed. Smears and dirty tricks are not in my nature.”

    Mary, what I said was that your word was taken about not posting at stormfront and I don’t see why Habbabkuk’s word shouldn’t be taken about not posting a specific comment here. Surely we should have the same rules and standards for everyone.

    And as Herbie pointed out not so long ago, Jon may not be able to determine precisely who posted it. People can post from different locations – work, home, internet cafe, hotel foyer, whatever. And some people may have dynamic IP addresses.

    http://whatismyipaddress.com/dynamic-static

    And what’s in your nature, or my nature, or Habbabkuk’s nature, is a complete unknown. All we have here are written comments made by people with ‘handles’ (apart from Suhayl, and Clark, and a couple of others who have identified themselves). We are dealing with anonymous entities. We could have a serial killer here, a child molester, a compulsive liar, literally anything and anybody. We have no way of knowing. That’s the internet.

  • Dreoilin

    Just about to read all the statements from various people, posted above.

    I assume Ban Ki-moon is hiding under a table.

  • guano

    Il faut soumettre les couilles pour l’inspection par la top dog.

    The vote in parliament and Cameron’s comments were the dog body language equivalent to encountering the Rottweiler on his own patch, rolling on one’s back, looking the other way, and submitting your balls to be inspected by the top dog.

    Further instructions to follow later.

  • mike

    So, I’m repeating myself, but here goes: Scenario 1: How did hundreds of wounded get from Damascus to Northern Syria on 21st August? That’s hundreds of miles. Would there not have been lots of army checkpoints to negotiate? And why go all the way there? Just so Ian Pannell could make his film?

    Scenario 2: Ian Pannell is in Ghouta, which is surrounded by army positions. That’s an astonishing and extremely brave feat in itself. Even braver for Dr Rola from the Hand in Hand in Syria charity, which was set up by Syrian dissidents living in the UK. Would the army have let them in to an area it was trying to control?

    If you look on the charity’s website, you’ll see that their press release of 27th August – six days after the attack – was saying they HOPED to be able to gain access to Ghouta. Again, well done Dr Rola for getting in there at least a week before the rest of your charity.

    Nice bit of make up, by the way. Didn’t she look lovely?

    Either scenario needs a bit more detail.

    Paging Mr Pannell…

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