Edward Snowden Gets Sam Adams Award

by craig on October 11, 2013 9:28 am in Uncategorized

Ray McGovern and the Sam Adams party have presented the Sam Adams award to Edward Snowden.  I am delighted.  This from Ray’s account of the event:

In brief remarks from his visitors, Snowden was reassured — first and foremost — that he need no longer be worried that nothing significant would happen as a result of his decision to risk his future by revealing documentary proof that the U.S. government was playing fast and loose with the Constitutional rights of Americans.

Even amid the government shutdown, Establishment Washington and the normally docile “mainstream media” have not been able to deflect attention from the intrusive eavesdropping that makes a mockery of the Fourth Amendment. Even Congress is showing signs of awaking from its torpor.

In the somnolent Senate, a few hardy souls have gone so far as to express displeasure at having been lied to by Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and NSA Director Keith Alexander — Clapper having formally apologized for telling the Senate Intelligence Committee eavesdropping-related things that were, in his words, “clearly erroneous” and Alexander having told now-discredited whoppers about the effectiveness of NSA’s intrusive and unconstitutional methods in combating terrorism.

Coleen Rowley, the first winner of the Sam Adams Award (2002), cited some little-known history to remind Snowden that he is in good company as a whistleblower — and not only because of previous Sam Adams honorees. She noted that in 1773, Benjamin Franklin leaked confidential information by releasing letters written by then-Lt. Governor of Massachusetts Thomas Hutchinson to Thomas Whatley, an assistant to the British Prime Minister.

The letters suggested that it was impossible for the colonists to enjoy the same rights as subjects living in England and that “an abridgement of what are called English liberties” might be necessary. The content of the letters was so damaging to the British government that Benjamin Franklin was dismissed as colonial Postmaster General and had to endure an hour-long censure from British Solicitor General Alexander Wedderburn.

There has been a determined attempt by government to justify the need to intercept everybody’s communications, all the time.  We have, yet again, had MI5 claim there are many thousand violent Islamic terrorists running around the UK, (yet somehow not managing to kill anybody).  The cry of “paedophiles” is raised, as always.  I can imagine them suggesting the entire population be shot dead, and justifying it as making sure they get the paedophiles.  The tabloids would go with that.

There still had not been a single credible claim by the mainstream media that any named individual has died, despite that contingency being trotted out all the time as the reason Snowden and Manning should not have revealed state crimes and abuse of power.  I am hopeful that, with the internet still largely free to the dissemination of information, out next massive whistleblower is only weeks away.

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  1. resident dissident

    12 Oct, 2013 - 10:28 pm

    BTW if anyone gets involved in name calling etc. on my last post – don’t bother that is where I stand and it will take more than silly names to shift me.

  2. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Oct, 2013 - 10:33 pm

    Bad company for such a discussion RD. Only Boteach seems to be an honest broker.

    We know about Adelson, and the Tutsi has a shadowy past wrt the Rwandan massacres.

    I will rely on you to point out Gazan spitballs bouncing off Israeli tanks. Wiesel is the purported humanitarian who self-righteously pursues WWII nazis while preening the students who seem to have learned much from facism.

  3. resident dissident

    12 Oct, 2013 - 10:37 pm

    Ben

    I disagree about Obama – one difference between him and his predecessors is that he conducts most of his diplomacy below the surface and without their grandstanding – given the ferocity of the competing forces on both sides of the many arguments in World affairs think things could have been a awful lot worse – and my guess is that they are considerably better than you would have predicted 5 years ago especially if Obama had lost. Stand back and look at things with a little perspective.

  4. Resident Dissident: does ‘disingenuous’ count as name calling? I have to point out that, although as a person, like you, I condemn – nay revolt – against atrocities of any description, especially atrocious ones, only one of the perpetrators you have listed is officially an ally of my elected government: the rest are, or are when they suit, officially ‘enemies’. So I think your post is quite useful in pointing up the horror of collusion, in fact.

  5. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Oct, 2013 - 10:44 pm

    !00% wrong on Obama, RD. He loves trial balloons, and leaks he approves. He’s on TeeVee every day with pablum and the same talking points. But he does love him some compromise. He even telegraphs his bottom-line to opponents before a negotiation. I want to sell him a used car. Now THAT would be a negotiation.

  6. resident dissident

    12 Oct, 2013 - 10:55 pm

    Technicolour

    I don’t see how being an ally stops anyone from condemning the bad behaviour of your allies – these messages are often best coming from Allies and friends rather than implacable opponents. I am more than happy to be critical of my own and other western democracies when the need arises – it doesn’t mean that I should doubt their rights to existence. If that is your definition of collusion so be it – but I would be very careful about who you are colluding with yourself.

    Ben

    Nearly all of us have a have a shadowy past with regard to the Rwandan massacres – I didn’t notice much pushing and shouting anywhere for the UN or anyone to do much about what was building up beforehand.

  7. miaouw, look what the cat dragged in and how the masochistic masses are boun d over the royal Mail barrel, what an act of piracy on the British people.

    2/3 of Rotal Mail sold off to institutional investors as an early C word present from Osborne to his loaded friends. Cafe Nero is expanding, hurray, another non taxpayer to the ranks of multinational suckers putting three fingers up to thse coffee shops who pay full wack.

    With all that caffeing you would think this will end in a bloddy drugs/tax war, Independents versus TNC scroungers associated….

    Obama and Blair should face the same destiny.

  8. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Oct, 2013 - 11:00 pm

    “I didn’t notice much pushing and shouting anywhere for the UN or anyone to do much about what was building up beforehand.”

    No profit there. No compelling national interest. Plenty of blame for those who stood by, but participation in the slaughter goes beyond. How about Sheldon Adelson? Is he unfairly painted?

  9. @ Ben,

    Here’s another clown of the Obambi & Bailey Ring-a-ding-dong Circus: Killjoy was here: Netanyahu at the UN.

    Whatever happened to AIPAC’s 250 member A-team [lobbyists] that was going to push for war on Syria?

    And just when you think things couldn’t get any weirder….

  10. resident dissident

    12 Oct, 2013 - 11:01 pm

    Ben

    So what you have forecast 5 years ago before Obama was elected? I am more interested in the tangible results of Obama’s negotiations rather than the play acting beforehand – if you want a President who sticks to a position through thick and thin then you must have loved Reagan and Bush – personally I prefer those who can show a bit of doubt from time to time and who know how to bend with the wind.

  11. Resident Dissident: thanks, I don’t collude. The Israeli government is orchestrating the atrocities; not the Israeli people. If the country were represented by, say, Yuri Avnery, or many equal others (and Likud ten years ago were getting a pathetic, Blair-ite 26 percent of the vote), we would be seeing an entirely different and markedly less heart-rending state of affairs.

    However, while my elected representatives have no say on the policies of Al Quaida/the Taliban (except when their US allies fund them and perhaps not even then) they might be expected to influence the actions of an ally; hence the pressure brought by many people here, I think. Myself I think real pressure for change will come from the largely decent people inside Israel itself which is why I thoroughly object to a mindset which seeks to conflate ‘Jewish’ with ‘Israeli goverment’ and which would repel most Jewish people as a result.

  12. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Oct, 2013 - 11:11 pm

    ” personally I prefer those who can show a bit of doubt from time to time and who know how to bend with the wind.”

    Oh, yes he does bend. I just prefer someone who’s not double-jointed and blown over by a breeze.

    I agree he’s better than Bush or Romney, but I never bought into their bullshit and so they fulfilled my worst hopes, while Obama dashes my hope-vote every day to my disappointment.

  13. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Oct, 2013 - 11:16 pm

    Daniel; poor Bibi. I have to live in the US-the new 24/7 ethnocentric focus on local politics (Shutdown) and listen to every news show’s latest update on a stalemate (Why doesn’t Obama negotiate……why oh why, oh why.) Nothing else ever punches through that formidable crust, and there is plenty going on, like Fukushima.

  14. NB RD: “I don’t see how being an ally stops anyone from condemning the bad behaviour of your allies”

    – Cast Lead. Not ‘bad behaviour’; terror.

  15. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Oct, 2013 - 11:25 pm

    Daniel; Heh. The circle is unbroken. Israelis/Bandar US/Al Queda. Strange bedfellows.

    Really, RD. Who IS an ally? What’s the definition? I suggest there is no such thing, except maybe “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”

  16. Ben: briefly think that an ally is someone to whom one’s government provides (variously) financial support, weapons, political support and PR (in the Security Council, UN et al). By that logic, Israel is a UK/US ally; Palestine is not.

  17. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Oct, 2013 - 11:44 pm

    Tech;

    “ally (v.)
    late 13c., “to join in marriage,” from Old French alier “combine, unite,” from a differentiated stem of aliier (from Latin alligare “bind to;” see alloy). Meaning “to form an alliance, join, associate” is late 14c. Related: allied; allying.

    ‘marriage’, ‘bind-to’ ;sounds a little more intimate and committed than the fair-weather friends who have cobbled a mutually beneficial arrangement on a temporary basis.

  18. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    12 Oct, 2013 - 11:48 pm

  19. Professor James Petras is not the first person to call Barack Obama, “a Zionist lackey”.

    Dr. Gideon Polya, Australian lecturer and writer, on September 29, 2012 while commenting on president Barack Obama’s speech at the UN General Assembly, also called Barack Obama “Zionist Lackey”.

    America’s leading foreign policy expert and Obama’s former national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, in a speech at an event organized by the National American Iranian Council (NAIC) and the Arms Control Association in Washington on November 26, 2012, claimed that US administration is lead by the nose by pro-Israel Jewish groups like a stupid mule.

    http://rehmat1.com/2013/10/12/james-petras-obama-is-a-zionist-lackey/

  20. Interesting etymology, thanks: will go and see when the UK last switched sides. Preferable if it acted as a peaceful broker, obviously, but there would have to be seriousness and a feeling of security (or bloody mindedness) for that to happen.

  21. I mean, obviously it armed Iraq and then exploded Iraq, and cosied up to Gadaffi and then devastated Libya, and – but apart from that.

  22. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    13 Oct, 2013 - 12:14 am

    Saddam was a US ally, until he threatened oil flow in the Gulf and dissed the Petrodollar.

    “BECAUSE OF Washington’s intervention, the Iran-Iraq War went in Iraq’s favor, and Iran was forced to concede defeat in 1988. For the next two years, the U.S. openly built up Saddam Hussein as its new strongman in the region. Weapons, high-tech equipment, technical assistance and economic aid flowed into the country.

    U.S. leaders went to bat for the Iraqi regime against critics of its human rights abuses. In April 1990, four months before Iraq invaded Kuwait, a delegation of U.S. senators visited Baghdad and assured Saddam that Washington supported him. Sen. Bob Dole (R-Kan.) promised that George Bush Sr. would veto threatened sanctions, and Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.) attacked the “haughty and pampered” media that criticized Saddam’s regime.

    When Saddam summoned U.S. Ambassador to Iraq April Glaspie to threaten military action against Kuwait for poaching Iraqi oil, Glasbie told Saddam, “we have no opinion on Arab-Arab conflicts like your border disagreement with Kuwait.” In the end, it wasn’t Saddam’s brutal repression or his war crimes in the Iran-Iraq War that turned the U.S. government against him.

    Only after Iraq’s August 1990 invasion of Kuwait, which threatened the flow of oil through the Persian Gulf, did Washington discover that its ally was “the butcher of Baghdad.” Over the next six months, Bush Sr. organized a massive buildup of U.S. troops and weapons for one of the most destructive wars in modern history.”

    http://socialistworker.org/2004-1/480/480_05_SaddamHussein.shtml

  23. Well, shucks, we are just your second lieutenant and all…

  24. This looks potentially positive/interesting/uplifting/upsetting – haven’t checked it out (it’s late):

    http://www.foodfirst.org/en/GMO+corn+banned+in+Mexico

  25. But France have definitely just upheld their fracking ban:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-2448998

  26. @ Ben,

    Blood is red wherever it flows. To see a dead Israeli/Palestinian/Iraqi/Afghan/etc., child breaks one’s heart. If not, one’s considered to be a monster.

    Can you believe it I was even rooting for Ron to run the country back in the day?

    And here’s Rummy shaking hands.

    A World Order I do believe in.

  27. straitjacket

    13 Oct, 2013 - 1:07 am

    Very gratifying, the way the international community just flows around US obstruction and opens another path forward for rule of law.

    – The US and its satellites try to shred CCPR Article 17, UDHR Article 12, American Declaration Articles V, IX, and X, American Convention Article 11, and ECHR Article 8…

    Then this fellow Snowden pops up to expose US government crimes and makes a hair-raising break for it, against all odds, through SCO members Russia and China. ICANN, IANA and the BRICS concur on the need to internationalize internet governance.

    – The US fights tooth and nail to maintain impunity for its criminals (nuclear arms merchants like Marc Grossman; torturers like Petraeus, Black, Addington, Steel, Bush, and Comey; perpetrators of grave domestic breaches of Common Article 3 like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Meyers, Bowman, Brennan and Blee)…

    Then the international community revives disarmament. The US finds itself a useless bystander to disarmament initiatives, kicked to the curb for the OPCW in Syria, and collectively thumbed in the eye for the preferment of its nemesis Iran. Scrutiny of commercial armaments procurement, which got lost when the League of Nations gave way to the UN, comes back. The SIPRI Arms Transfer Database and the UN Register of Conventional Arms will look under the rocks and expose the death merchants who run the US security sector.

    The US population can’t get its government under control, so the world is doing it.

  28. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    13 Oct, 2013 - 1:11 am

    Awesome music vid. I too, am a little late to awareness. Innocence is hard to give up, but imagine if you visit a family with a 10 month old child, then after an absence of a decade you return for a visit and find a family with a 10 month-old child, undeveloped. It would no longer be an adorable miracle, but a living tragedy.

    I supported HHH in ’68 because I thought McCarthy couldn’t win. I like to think I have progressed since those days, because my pragmatic early years makes me a bit twisted, as now I am much more radical as opposed to the traditional path of liberal to conservative over the course of time. It’s always been a fantasy of mine to live backwards, like Merlin. Hey! I am living in a fantasy. :)

  29. Pentagon faked arrival ceremonies honoring fallen soldiers

    The Pentagon has been holding phony “arrival” ceremonies for fallen soldiers at a base in Hawaii for over seven years, according to recent statements made by the United States Department of Defense to NBC News.

    For nearly a decade, military personnel transported flag-draped coffins containing the bodies of troops killed in action from seemingly just-arrived cargo planes during ceremonies near hangar 35 at Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam.

    In reality, however, the remains of those soldiers may have spent upwards of months in military custody before being paraded out during partially-fabricated ceremonial presentations carried out by the government’s Joint Prisoner of War Accounting Command, or JPAC.

    Bill Dedman, an investigative reporter for NBC, said that the Pentagon confirmed this week “that no honored dead were in fact arriving, and that the planes used in the ceremonies often couldn’t even fly but were towed into position

    Hollywood gone wild.

  30. Muslims Are Now To U.S. What Jews Were To Hitler

    The arrest and conviction of Muslims on flimsy conspiracy charges often instigated by FBI informants reveals the spreading corruption in the American legal system.
    “After 9/11/2001 the Bush/Obama administrations have constructed an American Police State using Arabs and Muslims as their pretexts and scapegoats,” says Francis Boyle, distinguished international legal authority and professor of law at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign. “It is reminiscent of the Nazi government’s persecution of the German Jews before the outbreak of World War II. Arabs and Muslims have become the New Jews in Police State America that is now slouching towards a military dictatorship and World War III.”

    Of course this is all a Muslim propaganda, there is no such victimisation. Muslims are asking for it, by being Muslims, they should all change their religion, and denounce their extremism, and become atheists, believing; god never grows limbs for the amputees and does not give out free beer, so there is no god.

  31. Blimey,

    Craig Murray is Mentioned in Dispatches – AGAIN

    Even Joe Quinn of SOTT – is Copying Him

    I always found it the sincerest form of flattery.

    Tony

  32. “Can you save me the research and tell me if you are aware of the relative accessibility to those shares by the ‘average’ Joe Blog and minimum application/allotment thresholds, etc?”

    The allotment of the shares has been carefully designed to fulfil the long term plan of give control of Royal Mail to T.N.T without being obvious.

  33. kedem forever

    13 Oct, 2013 - 4:52 am

    A deafening silence from the ziotrolls (for truth and justice, no less, bah!) here regarding the monstrous gas murder of 426 children in Ghouta, to serve as an excuse for war against Assad, monster satanyahu’s “live intercept” complicity and Lithuanian Rifkind’s virtuoso performance on the floor of the Commons shilling for war based on Bandars YouTube gassing videos and satanyahu’s “live” 8200 intercepts.

    BTW – it will be interesting to see the transcripts of the faked 8200 intercepts, if they come up to Comical Shlomo propaganda standards of the famed “auschwitz” Mavi Marmara audio tapes!! Comical Ali lived up to his reputation by forgetting to digitally fuzz the faces of the Alawite children from Latakia, used as “props” in the Ghouta YouTube videos. Pure EVIL.

    At this rate the Gharqad tree may change its mind !!

  34. zionist lackeys? how about the entire MSM.

    only the Jewish Forward finds this coincidence worth commenting on:

    9 October – Forward – Janet Yellen Brings Jewish Side to Fed — Again
    Yellen, whose nomination to head America’s central bank was reported Tuesday, will follow her immediate predecessor Ben Bernanke who was Jewish, and Bernanke’s immediate predecessor, Alan Greenspan, who was Jewish, too. There have been two other Jewish fed chairs in the past century. In fact, the other frontrunner for the position, Lawrence Summers, was Jewish too…
    http://blogs.forward.com/forward-thinking/185284/janet-yellen-brings-jewish-side-to-fed-again/

    funny how MSM all reported only on the first “woman” part!

    9 October – Forward – Janet Yellen, First Jewish Woman Fed Chair, Brings Compassion to Tough Job
    http://forward.com/articles/185369/janet-yellen-first-jewish-woman-fed-chair-brings-c/

  35. re MSM silence on Yellen’s faith.

    would they have been silent if an individual of any other minority faith was so over-represented in such a position of power, including for an unbroken period from 1987 (appt of Alan Greenspan) to the present?

  36. the same unexamined, unexplained over-representation occurs at the Supreme Court, where 3 out of nine current Justices are of the Jewish faith:

    List of Jewish United States Supreme Court justices
    Louis Brandeis became the first Jewish justice of the Supreme Court of the United States in 1916, following nomination by President Woodrow Wilson, and a contentious confirmation. Towards the end of his tenure on the Supreme Court, Brandeis was joined by the nation’s second Jewish justice, Benjamin Cardozo in 1932, who was succeeded by Felix Frankfurter, Arthur Goldberg and Abe Fortas. Eight Jewish justices have served on the Court, including the three currently serving, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_United_States_Supreme_Court_justices

    might as well consider Sotomayor a fourth!

    2009 – Haaretz – Sonia Sotomayor – a poster child for Jewish-Hispanic relations
    U.S. Jews rally around Obama’s nominee for U.S. Supreme Court Justice, a Puerto Rican with strong ties to Israel
    Jewish groups don’t endorse U.S. Supreme Court nominees, at least in writing.
    The tears and choked sobs when Sonia Sotomayor accepted President Obama’s nomination on Tuesday told another story…
    In 1986, when she was in private legal practice, she joined one of the first young leadership tours of Israel sponsored by Project Interchange, which is affiliated with the American Jewish Committee.
    Sotomayor so enjoyed the country—its immigrant culture, its popular music influenced heavily by Jewish immigrants from Argentina and Brazil—that she made a return visit in 1996 when she was a federal judge, and recently joined a Project Interchange U.S.-Israel forum on immigration. In the process, she formed a lifelong friendship with Project Interchange founder Debbie Berger and her husband, Paul, who attended her swearing-in as a Manhattan appeals court judge in 1998…
    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/2.209/sonia-sotomayor-a-poster-child-for-jewish-hispanic-relations-1.277229

  37. From Terror Through Time, Fergal Keene’s series on Radio 4, to be broadcast tomorrow at 13.45.

    The Murderous Mandate
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03cdzlz – not available on iplayer yet.

    In April 1947 a young French woman talked her way past the guard of Dover House in Whitehall. She told him she was desperate to use the toilet. In fact Betty Knut was there to plant a bomb at the very heart of the Empire. It proved just how far some militants were willing to go in their campaign to remove the British from Palestine.

    In part six of Fergal Keane’s exploration of the changing nature of terrorism, he’s joined by historian David Cesarani and former member of the Jewish underground, Hanna Armoni, to tell the story of the dedicated groups that turned their bombs and bullets against the British occupation.
    Producer: Alasdair Cross.

    Friday’s episode (“Stirring the Middle East”), in case you missed it, is still available on http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03c47gk

    Stirring the Middle East
    Duration: 15 minutes
    First broadcast:Friday 11 October 2013

    Fergal Keane on the British promises in WW1 that provoked conflict in the Middle East.

    The collapse of the Ottoman Empire after the First World War created a tangle of real and potential conflicts for world leaders to unpick.

    The toughest nut to crack would be the future of Palestine. In the course of the war Britain, in its desperate quest for allies, made three apparently contradictory promises. A secret deal with France divided future control of the Middle East between the two allies, the Sharif of Mecca was offered a new Arab kingdom and support for a Jewish homeland had been given to the Zionists.

    Fergal Keane explores how Britain tried and failed to untangle the knots, setting the scene for so much of the violence to come in the Middle East.

  38. A Node Spot on ref the ‘Royal Mail’.

    Moya Greene was brought in to set the UK postal service up for privatisation, as she did in Canada.* They have not acted at the same speed as Gideon and Vince though.

    She arrived at the end of May, 2010, three weeks after the election, to replace Crozier who went off with his £millions. Presumably she was appointed by Brown.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moya_Greene

    Crozier went off from the Royal Mail (paid £3m in his final year) to pick up even more at ITV. He also has a directorship with G4S. recently acquired. Knighthood or peerage to follow in due course!

    New ITV boss Adam Crozier to pick up £2.9m ‘golden hello’ payment as part of an £18m five-year deal
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1258986/New-ITV-boss-Adam-Crozier-pick-multi-million-pound-golden-hello-payment.html

    *’Privatization
    There have been calls for the privatization of Canada Post. Supporters of privatization contend that the public sector is more labour intensive and uses less capital than the private sector, resulting in state owned enterprises that are less productive.[36] Some argue that the economic crisis coupled with deficit spending makes Canada Post a prime candidate for privatization.[37] Supporters of privatization point to the United Kingdom, Finland, New Zealand and Sweden, which have given up on the government-enforced monopoly on mail delivery and have exposed their former monopoly mail providers to competition.[38] Additionally, 27 European Union member states have also agreed to end government monopolies on mail delivery.[38] Critics also point to the Netherlands, which fully privatized its postal service which had previously expanded into foreign markets and diversified business. The Netherlands Post had invested in TNT’s courier operations with Canada Post. Canada Post sold those interests prior to buying a majority stake in Purolator Courier.[38] In 2009, a study conducted at the University of Toronto by Professor Edward Iacobucci and other colleagues concluded that privatization of Canada Post would result in “efficiency gains and improvements in service quality”.[36]’
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Post

    Neo-liberalism and its servants rule.

  39. More of those jolly trips to Israel by 21 members of LDFoI and LFoI led by Simon Hughes and Jim Murphy respectively.

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/112280/labour-and-lib-dems-israel-visits

  40. resident dissident

    13 Oct, 2013 - 8:27 am

    @Technicolour

    “I think real pressure for change will come from the largely decent people inside Israel itself which is why I thoroughly object to a mindset which seeks to conflate ‘Jewish’ with ‘Israeli goverment’ and which would repel most Jewish people as a result.”

    I agree – and I have no problem with saying that Cast Lead was “terror” – I used “bad behaviour” as it is a wider term which encompasses terror as well as many other things.

    AS for conflation of Jewish and Israeli please note there are amny examples on this blog including one/two since my last posting.

  41. This is yet another Briton who loves his country so much that he is quitting its shores to become a tax exile.

    Sir Richard Branson quits Britain for Caribbean tax haven
    13 Oct 2013
    The Virgin boss, 63, has left Blighty for Necker, his private island in the British Virgin Islands
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sir-richard-branson-quits-britain-2366520

    His Virgin Care outfit has been allowed to shaft OUR NHS big time but the patients don’t know. Friends of mine, who should be well informed but are not, are surprised to receive communications about NHS appointments and procedures on Virgin Care stationery,

    How private firms already run frontline NHS services by stealth
    29 May 2013
    More than 100 services across the NHS are run by Sir Richard Branson’s Virgin – the people who bring you planes, trains and telly
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-privatisation-how-private-firms-1918235

  42. There is a tendency among some Murrayistas, most notably Mary, to post links about politicians’ trips to Israel as if these by themselves condemn those making them as fervent Zionists. It’s the sort of lazy assumption we are used to seeing from Mary as she makes her early morning sweep through the Jewish Chronicle.

    Regarding Simon Hughes’ visit, I see he also visited the Palestinian territories and has made visits exclusively to Palestine in the past. Hughes is regarded by pro-Israel commenters in this country (see the JC, The Commentator, Melanie Philips) as dangerously pro-Palestinian. He defended Jenny Tonge, he criticized Israel over Cast Lead and the Mavi Marmara.

    “I have always described myself as both a friend of Palestine and a friend of Israel. I have been actively supporting the case for a Palestinian state since I was a teenager and have always argued that Israel has a right to exist with secure boundaries. I have had the privilege of visiting the area on several occasions, and although I have yet to have the opportunity to go to Gaza, I have frequently visited the west bank.”

    –Hansard 15 June 2010

  43. Habbabkuk, I think Oddie would like prominent Jews to wear a little Jewish badge for easy identification. Welcome back by the way.

  44. resident dissident

    13 Oct, 2013 - 9:12 am

    Perhpas Mary might wish to comment on Technicolour’s comment that “the real pressure for change will come from decent people within Israel” and consider how best to engage, encourage and support such people – does she really believe that cutting them off from the rest of the world will help? Or perhaps she sees some other mechanism as being the way forward – if so could she elucidate as to what it is?

  45. Troll alert inc the banned one!

  46. Numerous attempts to engage Mary in discussion and all we get is:

    “Troll alert inc the banned one!”

  47. The thread has gone to fuck, it is a ziofuckwit circle jerk, not worth reading.

  48. If its Sunday, its Fedup. Weekdays its Passerby at ‘work’.

  49. “Mary
    13 Oct, 2013 – 9:15 am
    Troll alert inc the banned one!”

    Tut tut Mary, for all that you post, is that really all you have to say?

  50. If its Sunday, its Fedup. Weekdays its Passerby at ‘work’.

    Villager/Technicolour is all the time so what the fuck does it matter?

    Now fucking divining, and fortune telling, next will be foretelling fuck knows what?

  51. “next will be foretelling fuck knows what?”

    Passerby and Fedup talking with each other.

  52. Technicolour
    13 Oct, 2013 – 12:35 am
    “This looks potentially positive/interesting/uplifting/upsetting – haven’t checked it out (it’s late):

    http://www.foodfirst.org/en/GMO+corn+banned+in+Mexico

    Thanks for that TC — very interesting read and highly encouraging, if true and actually effected.

    I tried googling Mexico GMO in News though and nothing comes up to corroborate. Do please keep a look out…

  53. Our very sick little puppy said
    “Habbabkuk, I think Oddie would like prominent Jews to wear a little Jewish badge for easy identification. Welcome back by the way.”

    How much rubbish can you write in one sentence? I suppose these twatter trained 140 character jokers do believe they own this site and are hell bent on destroying it with their ad hominems.

    Banned clowns seemingly addicted to Craig murrays like flies too a pile of dogshit? payed stooges who contribute nothing but spite and bile.

    Why only prominant Jews Anon, you filth stirer?, and why not include the have’s, all those scroungers who hate Britain so much that they flee to tax havens, show how much social responsibility they really have.

    Lets note that these tax evaders who hate their country so much need to be pummeled with knighthoods and honours, given accolade to use a toilet here in britain rather than the T&C.

    Those who hide behind international agreements to siphon billions past the exchequer should have a cross permanently tattoed to their foreheads, these utter swines should have their business natinalised and their markets withdrawn.

    It is time for a revolution, nothing else will stop this undemocratic rot, time to tell those who hate Britain enough to avoid taxes, that they cannot school their children here, or sell their goods, or go shopping at Harrods for their xmas hampers, that they are not welcome and that limited protectionismn, has been tailored to suit them alone.

    Nobody who relies on British schools, the NHS, a pirateering City of London, bendy politicians and Kendal mint cakes to stimulate their sordid lifes, whilst trying their best to not pay for any of societies needs, should expect any mercy, pay your taxes or go and sell your coffee, flights,whatever, somewhere else.

    You want to leave the City of London because you don’t want your bnuses curtailed? well go, piss off to Frankfurt or New York, see if they haven’t got enough bwankers there. Bye bye, I say.

    For George Osborne to steal/use taxpayers money to sue the EU for daring to tell the City to get their act together on bonuses, stop the stress and drug taking at the centre of so many dealing rooms were it is an incentive/necessity to get brainfucked for an extra six hours work on top of a three day shift, is the most obscene measure ever seen used by a chancellor.

    This nonchalance towards millionaires and the leniency shown towards bankers, newspaper editors, so called entrepeneurs who hate Britain and don’t pay taxes here, rather favouring state support for new Swiss cowbells, has been widely noted and it is to be seen how many more fairytales they can land on to the now suspecting public, before they have enough of the troughing and act.

  54. So Mr. Murphy, off course as a FoI leading schmuck he did not loose his job in Ed’s cabinet reshuffle, headed another of these cheap group activity holidays, paid for by Israel? or us the taxpayer, to the occupied territories of East Jerusalem, the Syrian Golan hights and the west bank.

    We have to realise that this country has a better relationship with Israel than with any of their EU neighbours, it is part of a triumvirate that ignores its needs for the sake of conspiracy.

    Should limited protectionism be used to bring errant countries into line, economic necessities be used to negotiate and calm the warmongering nations?

  55. “seemingly addicted to Craig murrays like flies too a pile of dogshit?”

    A rather unfortunate analogy, wouldn’t you say?

    Q: “How much rubbish can you write in one sentence? ”

    A: This much:

    “For George Osborne to steal/use taxpayers money to sue the EU for daring to tell the City to get their act together on bonuses, stop the stress and drug taking at the centre of so many dealing rooms were it is an incentive/necessity to get brainfucked for an extra six hours work on top of a three day shift, is the most obscene measure ever seen used by a chancellor.”

    and

    “This nonchalance towards millionaires and the leniency shown towards bankers, newspaper editors, so called entrepeneurs who hate Britain and don’t pay taxes here, rather favouring state support for new Swiss cowbells, has been widely noted and it is to be seen how many more fairytales they can land on to the now suspecting public, before they have enough of the troughing and act.”

    As Glenn_uk once asked another “are you anti-semantic” or something?

  56. Hi Nevermind!

    A forceful post as ever. Who was that American serial killer and rapist you compared me to, merely for holding opinions different to yours? Quite the sick little puppy!

    “Banned clowns seemingly addicted to Craig murrays like flies too a pile of dogshit?”

    I can live with being likened to a fly, but I hope you will apologise to Craig for comparing his blog to a pile of dogshit.

    Now, you take umbrage at my post about Oddie. He wonders aloud why the media doesn’t inform us that various prominent people are Jewish. Is it really “filth-stirring” to suggest that Oddie might like to see Jews wear little star of david lapel badges for ease of identification, if the MSM keeps failing to inform him?

  57. “Habbabkuk, I think Oddie would like prominent Jews to wear a little Jewish badge for easy identification. Welcome back by the way.”

    “Thank you for your welcome back!
    If you’re correct, then I think I’ll try to attract some venture capital to set up a business manufacturing such badges, because there are certainly a lot of Jews prominent in various walks of life.”

    Surely your venture capitalists would suggest star and crescent badges, perhaps in yellow and sewn on, as more appropriate to the times.

    & Habbabkuk, you are a hypocritical piece of shit. Last time you were here, as an authorised commenter, as part of your relentless bullying you called a regular contributor here a “self-righteous obsessive poster”.

    Now who’s the obsessive one. You can’t keep away, though you’ve been banned. So desperately obsessed with posting here are you that you’ve even tried the deceit of sock puppeting to get back in. You creep.

  58. I agree with oddie that those who profess that they are our representatives in Parliament, activeley split their loyaties 60/40 in favour of Israel, a non EU country and rogue state in more than one sense, they all should be held responsible for their actions.

    They do not need any specific atire, their actins speak for themselves as they are not in the in terest of our British foreign policy but soome concocted dream induced by some very nationalistic zionists who misuse their power, relationships and money to divert our interest to suit their needs.

    I do not differentiate the ransosn from the Murphy’s, they both need reigning in and made to believe in what they represent.

    ‘Oye, ransom Branson, kite oarding, record ballon flights and putting your name behind the decriminalisation/legalisation of cannbis is not enough to make you hip, try paying your taxes in Britain, boare, or loose your market’

    Never shall I use virgin, ever! in my own small way, sorted!

  59. apolgiese for my fast typing mistakes.

    Our foreign relations are being distorted and undermined by Israels con nivance. Liars are fettered for high office whilst those who speak the truth are hounded and denigrated as spies, put in prison for ‘hurting our operatives and men in the field’

    Lies heaped upon lies, amplified by the BBC over and over again, last heard on Dimbleby’s ‘any answers’R4, as a justification to clamp down on those who speak out aout the damage don e to us in the name of….. more controlling dreams.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/12/edward-snowden-nsa-surveillance-wikileaks-videos

  60. “authorised commenter” Rouge LOL! How subtle is the world of authority you wish to live in!?

  61. Jack Straw, who is one of the characters who has most to fear from the truth coming out, is off course the first one to denigrate the Guardian and Wikileaks for telling us what he’s been up to.

    Craig will be vindicated, eventually, for having a spine and speaking up against these psychopath and control freaks.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10372603/Jack-Straw-Guardian-has-shown-extraordinary-naivety-and-arrogance-in-leaks.html

    My direct question to Edward Snowden would be

    ‘Have you seen evidence that Jack Straw, when in power as Jutice minister, signed people off for torture and extraordinary rendition?’

  62. “Craig will be vindicated, eventually, for having a spine and speaking up against these psychopath and control freaks.”

    ‘Eventually’?

    What is your premise that he doesn’t already stand vindicated based upon?

  63. resident dissident 12 Oct, 2013 – 10:28 pm

    IBTW if anyone gets involved in name calling etc. on my last post – don’t bother that is where I stand and it will take more than silly names to shift me.

    I

    Hear hear, good for you. I feel exactly the same about your totally unprovoked ad hominem which appeared a few hours later.

    resident dissident 12 Oct, 2013 – 2:32 pm

    Ah the Hitler avatar , the tried and tested tactic of a d***head with nothing of any consequence to say…………..

    As for the ‘Hitler’ comment, well that’s just as pathetic as the daily promotion of the bogeyman himself. Are you so dim as not to find any semblance or post-modern irony in my avatar? What if he had a big bushy moustach – would that be Stalin or Saddam, or just a smiley face with a bushy moustach?

    It is not right to belittle the little Austrian puppet that gets dragged out every five minutes to fool us into beleiving we are not part of the same fascist empire as the one he promoted? How can we be fascists, we fought the fascists right? A classic mind trap that most are too ignorant to even see. Follow the money and cui bono? The international bankers start the international wars for power and control, they decide when they start, they decide who will fight, not their puppet politicians.

  64. Villager
    13 Oct, 2013 – 11:51 am
    ‘“authorised commenter” Rouge LOL! How subtle is the world of authority you wish to live in!?’

    As, I’m sure, even you are aware, in this context, “authorised” means “not banned”. Is that simple enough for you?

  65. Daniel Rich
    12 Oct, 2013 – 9:20 pm

    “It is so darn easy to speculate and even easier to guess one way or another, but it looks to me that what was once considered to be that ‘middle class’ chunk of society [in the past], has been slam-dunked into the financial blenders of $$-churning banksters and thus rendered obsolete, sidelined and completely obliterated. With no option but to hang on to the rafters of too big to jail fraudsters and one paycheck away from total poverty, how much do they care about NSA spying or Fukushima’s meltdown?.”

    Looks like you’re right. An inquiry carried out in the UK reveals that the middle class is on the way down:

    “Today’s middle-class children are on track to be the first in more than a century to be materially less well off in adulthood than their parents, a government commission is expected to warn this week.”

    As one commenter remarks:

    “The creed of venality of neo-liberalism just means less wealth for the rest of society as the minority hoover it up and take it off shore never to be taxed.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/oct/12/middle-class-young-people-future-worse-parents

  66. I do not make a daily trawl of the JC. I leave that to its Jewish readers.

    The defence of the Friends of Israel groups in OUR Parliament above is disingenuous and risible.

    Hughes: ‘Delegations of senior party officials from both Liberal Democrat and Labour parties have returned from trips to Israel.

    Lib Dem deputy leader Simon Hughes led an 11-strong group on a visit organised by the Liberal Democrat Friends of Israel. The group went to the Golan Heights, Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, and also held meetings with Palestinian groups in Ramallah.

    Mr Hughes said the visit had given him a unique and insightful perspective. Israel’s right to exist within secure borders must never be called into question or compromised, but the Palestinians also deserve their own sovereign nation unencumbered by external forces.”

    He promised that the party would support the current peace talks.”

    Did he have to make another visit to Israel (previous 2012 and 2011) to decide that there should be a Palestinian state. He knows damned well that that will never happen. He also knows that the ‘peace talks’ are a sham., a piece of theatre like the Chilcot Inquiry, flim flam.

    The FoI’s allegiance to Israel is treason pure and simple. Offord has just set up a All Party Parliamentary Group for British Jews, which the British Board of Deputies are supporting.
    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/112292/all-party-group-starts-20-members

    How many more groups do the Jewish MPs want? There are the three FoIs, one APPG for Anti-Semitism, another for Israel and this new one. Similar organisations exist in the EU mainly to promote Israel’s trade interests.

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmallparty/register/israel.htm
    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmallparty/register/antisemitism.htm

    I notice Hughes has membership of the APPG for Palestine for good measure.
    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmallparty/register/palestine.htm

  67. ‘Eventually’?

    What is your premise that he doesn’t already stand vindicated based upon?

    Let me explain it to you, villager, it means society will eventually vindicate Craig for his principled actions, which, imho, have made Britain a better place.

    Myself and thousands of others in the world, speaking up and writing on blods such as this, have already realised and accepted this fact a long time ago. Got that?

    Its only the nit pickers and doubting Thomas’s who try and divert the agenda, here and elsewhere, whether its in pay and to adjust for their s(hr)inking middle class standing or just sheer ignorance.

    I suppose we can’t stop the poor devils trying to make a buck with their fingertips.

  68. Kristallnacht all over again, or would that be Israeli UKIP supporters?
    http://electronicintifada.net/content/video-israeli-crowd-cheers-africans-called-slaves/12833

  69. Me, earlier: “What is your premise that he doesn’t already stand vindicated based upon?”

    You still haven’t answered my question. Instead you’ve gone further in contradicting yourself. Please supply evidence to your assertion that he doesn’t already stand vindicated.

  70. Bad luck if you live in Cornwall (or are on holiday there at any time) and you need a doctor out of hours. This is what happens when the NHS is privatised and the service is fragmented. The outsourcers want to outsource their contract. More pressure on the ambulance services and on the A&E depts. will be the result.

    This dreadful situation with Serco has existed for a long time. Their executives have even appeared in front of a HoC committee on their lies and cover ups.

    ‘Serco talks over out-of-hours GP cover could ‘fragment’ service
    MP Andrew George said Serco should “hand back the keys if they can’t do the job”

    Talks over out-of-hours GP service
    GP service had ‘bullying culture’
    Whistleblowers ‘uncovered’ problems

    An MP has said attempts by the operator of Cornwall’s out-of-hours GP service to subcontract its frontline work will result in a fragmented health service.

    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-24511605

    The committee report – Nrs Hodge again

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/public-accounts-committee/news/out-of-ours-gp-service-in-cornwall/

  71. This is a sad story of a family burned to death, and the head of the household expressing his sorrow and grief;

    Link text

    A grieving neurosurgeon whose family died in a suspected arson attack has told mourners at a funeral service that he is a bird without wings.

    Dr Muhammad Taufiq Al Sattar led prayers for the 1,000 people who attended the janaza ceremony in Dublin in memory of his wife Shehnila Taufiq, 47, and their three teenage children, Zainab, Bilal and Jamil

    Eight people have been charged in connection with a feared revenge attack at their home in Wood Hill, Leicester, on 13 September, following a fatal assault in nearby Kent Street.

    This is the degenerate ziofuckwits pouring their bile and venom, in the comments section;

    First glance I thought this might be a tragic fire from cooking with wood on an enclosed patio. Worse yet, real barbarity by primitive third worlders. And the Irish want the Brits off the island? Might want to deal with these sorts of things first.

    Also note the points arising; where are the women at this funeral?. Not content with that then the notions of “Goyim kill goyim, and they blame the Jews.”* Applying the following is added;

    Immigrants not born in the UK, attacking immigrants not born in the UK; Whilst the indigenous people dare say nothing about this overt ethnic cleansing !

    These degenerate fuckwits, have no soul, no humanity and no fucking shame, their ideological zeal has blinded these degenerate ziofuckwits to all but their own supremacist visions of “paradise” on Earth.

    Indeed Muslims Are Now To US What Jews Were To Hitler. AIPAC has been truly successful.

    * ” Israel’s alleged role in the massacre mounted” that is twenty five years after the event, while everybody knows, is certain, but apparently it still remains “alleged”! Less said about Menachem Begin, …… was not always politically correct.

  72. technicolour

    13 Oct, 2013 - 2:10 pm

    “RD: Perhpas Mary might wish to comment on Technicolour’s comment that “the real pressure for change will come from decent people within Israel” and consider how best to engage, encourage and support such people – does she really believe that cutting them off from the rest of the world will help? Or perhaps she sees some other mechanism as being the way forward – if so could she elucidate as to what it is?”

    -Well, sanctions and boycotts played a vital role in ending apartheid in South Africa. And making sure that the reality in/news from Palestine and Gaza gets out, and gets acknowledged, is important, I think.

  73. technicolour

    13 Oct, 2013 - 2:28 pm

    Reality of/relevant news from anywhere is important, obviously.

  74. Its all about information flows and who infroms us, Villager, do you think that public who does little care about politics, because they are turned off, are as educated on Craigs principled stance and court vindication, as you and I are?

    Now go back kissing Habby’s backside, or try and join Ellen in a bit of shimmying.

    http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/health/dereham_residents_love_a_little_bit_of_shimmying_1_2879055

  75. Villager your like

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Salacious_B._Crumb

    hanging off habba the huts every word

  76. Crumb became something of a fixture in Habba’s court, teasing, mocking and cackling at practically anyone and everyone who visited the forum. He sat at the base of Habba’s dias, sleeping and eating when there was nothing to be made fun of
    Habba was very fond of the little monkey-lizard, though most others were not…

  77. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    13 Oct, 2013 - 3:57 pm

    Today’s suspicious observers news. If you are following events above and below Earth’s surface, these guys are pretty knowledgeable and reliable.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LZuUX13s78&feature=c4-overview&list=UUTiL1q9YbrVam5nP2xzFTWQ

  78. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    13 Oct, 2013 - 4:06 pm

    Two years have passed since Moc left Japan and resettled in Romania. Although the numbers are being repressed, it’s quite clear many are leaving the Island. My prediction; Japan will be uninhabited within 10 years.

    http://fukushima-diary.com/2013/10/column-we-can-change-our-future/

  79. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    13 Oct, 2013 - 4:21 pm

    JA doesn’t like the new movie 5th Estate.

    http://wikileaks.org/First-Letter-from-Julian-Assange.html

  80. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    13 Oct, 2013 - 5:37 pm

    @ Nevermind

    “I agree with oddie that those who profess that they are our representatives in Parliament, activeley split their loyaties 60/40 in favour of Israel, a non EU country and rogue state in more than one sense, they all should be held responsible for their actions.

    They do not need any specific atire, their actins speak for themselves as they are not in the in terest of our British foreign policy but soome concocted dream induced by some very nationalistic zionists who misuse their power, relationships and money to divert our interest to suit their needs.”
    ________________

    Thank you for pointing out my mistake, and apologies.

    You see, when Oddie posted about the Jewish faith of the new head of the FED, the number of Jewish Associate Justices on the Supreme Court and the Jewish friends of Associate Justice Sotomayor, I mistakenly assumed he was talking about the FED, the Supreme Court and AJ Sotomayor, and it was most remiss of me not to have realised that he was, in fact, talking about “those who profess that they are our representatives in Parliament, actively split their loyaties 60/40 in favour of Israel”, ie, British Members of Parliament.

    I’m glad to read that you wouldn’t favor making them wear a distinctive sign, though, but I’m puzzled by an apparent contradiction with what you wrote about Richard Branson, viz “Why only prominant Jews Anon, you filth stirer?, and why not include the have’s, all those scroungers who hate Britain so much that they flee to tax havens, show how much social responsibility they really have.” Most grateful if you would be kind enough to clarify.

    ********************

    Always look on the bright side of life!

  81. At first I considered a response, but your contributions are zilch here, so why should I; finally, and most important, its sunday and I shall take the rest of the evening off.

  82. More on the Royal Mail privatisation.

    A right royal rip-off – What the Royal Mail privatisation tells us about modern Britain
    http://rt.com/op-edge/uk-royal-mail-privatization-destruction-073/

    I have mentioned the property portfolio before. Some further details here.

  83. And while we are on the subject of ‘royal’ matters. here’s a good one from Heathcote Williams for Sunday night. There’s nothing on the box!

    How Queen Elizabeth II profits from the arms trade
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOFm6a8LytU&feature=youtu.be

  84. Nevermind
    13 Oct, 2013 – 2:37 pm
    “Its all about information flows and who infroms us, Villager, do you think that public who does little care about politics, because they are turned off, are as educated on Craigs principled stance and court vindication, as you and I are?”

    You did fine up to this point, Nevermind and we could agree on this.

    But then you turned to animus and came up with what Mary would call playground stuff.

    My point remains:

    Craig already stands vindicated and has paid an unfortunate price. Period. Whether the whole world has ‘seen’ that and recognised, or only some of us have, is another point. They are two different things. Ask Craig, I don’t think he’ll tell you that he’s waiting around looking to be vindicated “eventually”. If you insist on “eventually”, you had better define the ‘events’ you are waiting upon to occur.

    And try not to bristle and get nasty without provocation.

  85. “And try not to bristle and get nasty without provocation.”

    About me or my good friend, Habby. Important, but small, afterthought. I hope you don’t mind, Nevermind.

  86. Our posts crossed Habby as i hadn’t refreshed.

    If only people here had a sense of humour as sharp as their need to abuse.

    Any offerings anyone on this quiet Sunday evening? Will check back after dinner.

  87. GCHQ accused of monitoring privileged emails between lawyers and clients
    Allegation relates to eight Libyan nationals and comes in wake of Guardian’s revelations about GCHQ and Tempora programme
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/13/gchq-accused-monitoring-privileged-emails-lawyer-client-libya

    ‘The eight Libyans, members of two families now living in the country’s capital, Tripoli, say they were victims of rendition. They claim they were kidnapped by MI6 and US intelligence agencies, forcibly returned to Colonel Muammar Gaddafi’s regime and tortured. At that time, in 2004, when Gaddafi relinquished his nuclear weapons programme, intelligence relations between Tripoli, London and Washington were close.

    A landmark legal action between Abdel Belhaj, 47, and the UK government is due to be heard at the high court shortly to resolve the kidnap and torture allegations.’

    No words.

  88. @oddie

    The Jewish Daily Forward is member of Israel Hasbara Committee. Yellen maybe the first Jewish woman to head the criminal Federal Reserve – but she ill be the 11th Jew to head the Federal Reserve.

    http://rehmat1.com/2013/10/10/yellen-and-the-den-of-thieves/

  89. An attempt by Branson to justify his move to Necker Island in the Caribbean.

    Sir Richard Branson Defends Farewell To Britain
    One of Britain’s richest men is heading for the Caribbean, but he denies claims he is moving to avoid the taxman.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1153779/sir-richard-branson-defends-farewell-to-britain

    We can all go there to stay. $60,000 for 30 people per night!!! Sounds ideal for the royal hangers-on like the Middletons and their mates. I expect they would get a better rate.
    http://www.neckerisland.virgin.com/resources/pdfs/necker_island/how_to_book/exclusive_use/NeckerIslandinformationforguests2013-2014.pdf

    ~~~

    Here he criticizes Julian Assange’s actions by saying that he went too far. How dare he!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjZLNH1Ka64&feature=player_embedded

  90. Another whistleblower, Karen Hudes whom I like the sound of. She blew the whistle on a World Bank cover up of corruption in a deal in the Phillipines. She was reprimanded and fired

    http://kahudes.net/about-us/

    Here she is in a video.

    Time to Tell these Crooks they’re Fired – Karen Hudes
    28 August 2013 210 Comments

    Karen Hudes World Bank Whistleblower
    By Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog.com

    World Bank attorney Karen Hudes says she is one of a group of global whistleblowers. Hudes contends, “We’re running out of time. It’s time to tell these thugs and crooks that they’re fired.” Hudes goes on to say, “We don’t have to wait for anybody to fire the Fed or Bank for International Settlements . . . some states have already started to recognize silver and gold, the precious metals, as currency . . . there are other alternatives like Bitcoin . . . We, the consumer, can choose which currency to use, and that’s what we’re going to do in very short order.” What’s really going on in Syria? Hudes, who was Senior Counsel and worked at the World Bank for 20 years, charges, “Qatar, who has all this natural gas, wanted to run a natural gas pipeline through Syria to reach the European market. Who’s supplying the European market with gas? Russia. . . . All this business about dead babies and sarin gas is just all to keep us confused.” Hudes says this is not a fight about money but survival of the planet. “We’re dealing with whether we can continue as humanity and have an earth or whether we blow ourselves up. . . . whether we love each other enough to save the world, or we all go to hell in a hand basket,” says Hudes. Join Greg Hunter as he goes One-on-One with World Bank whistleblower Karen Hudes.

    http://usawatchdog.com/time-to-tell-these-crooks-theyre-fired-karen-hudes/

  91. How history is writ:

    “Phillips was rescued by SEAL Team Six. He was hailed as an American hero. He met with President Obama in the Oval Office and wrote a memoir.”

    ““It is galling for [the crew] to see Captain Phillips set up as a hero,” Waters said. “It is just horrendous, and they’re angry.””

    “In the run-up to Friday’s release of “Captain Phillips,” Hanks has appeared on the cover of Parade magazine with Phillips and the headline “The Making of an American Hero.” The film won the opening-night slot at the New York Film Festival on Sept. 28 and opened the London Film Festival last Wednesday. It has won raves, all of which note the film is based on real events. The two men have walked the red carpet together.”

    http://nypost.com/2013/10/13/crew-members-deny-captain-phillips-heroism/

  92. “I also expressed my concerns that drone attacks are fuelling terrorism. Innocent victims are killed in these acts, and they lead to resentment among the Pakistani people.”

    But drone attacks, often using the ‘double tap’ technique to kill responders and those helping the victims of the first attack, are not ‘fuelling terrorism’ they are terrorism.

    The vast majority of those targetted are unarmed. They have also been used to target entire villages. Calling the internationally recognised legitimate right to resist armed attacks and occupation “terrorism” merely supports the US narrative.

    The Taliban/Pashtuns/Mujhahadeen may be intolerent religous nutcases or merely people fighting for their lands, just as they did under Soviet occupation when they were publicly honoured by President Reagan, but to suggest they are ‘terrorists’ is a nonsense.

    As harsh and hard as the Pashtun fighters are they are not in the business of killing civilians in order to further a political agenda like the US (or even shooting little girls in the head to stop them going to school), they are fighting a foriegn army that has attempted to take control of their land. Even Karzai and Hussain recognise this, which is why the US consistently scuppers any reproachment and talks that both have made, often by attacking such meetings between them and government officials with said drones.

  93. “As harsh and hard as the Pashtun fighters are they are not in the business of killing civilians in order to further a political agenda like the US …”

    Really Emmpey?! Then who is setting off those bombs every Friday in Pakistan in the local mosques, churches and markets, killing thousands?

    As for, ” Even Karzai and Hussain recognise this, which is why the US consistently scuppers any reproachment and talks that both have made, often by attacking such meetings between them and government officials with said drones.”

    Any sources for the alleged drone attacks at such ‘meetings’, please.

  94. Emmpey

    “But drone attacks, often using the ‘double tap’ technique to kill responders and those helping the victims of the first attack, are not ‘fuelling terrorism’ they are terrorism.”

    Spot on…

    According to UN special rapporteur on extrajudicial killings Christof Heyns, “secondary strikes on rescuers who are helping (the injured) after an initial drone attack, those further attacks are a war crime.” Clive Stafford-Smith, the lawyer who heads the Anglo-US legal charity Reprieve, believes that such strikes “are like attacking the Red Cross on the battlefield. It’s not legitimate to attack anyone who is not a combatant.”

    A study, from Columbia Law School’s Human Rights Institute. finds that the number of Pakistani civilians killed in drone strikes are “significantly and consistently underestimated” and that as many as 98% of those killed by drone strikes are civilians.

    http://web.law.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/microsites/human-rights-institute/COLUMBIACountingDronesFinalNotEmbargo.pdf

    Predator Drone ‘Double-Taps’ Highlight Possible War Crimes By Obama

    http://www.policymic.com/articles/21070/predator-drone-double-taps-highlight-possible-war-crimes-by-obama

    Now, Here’s a Great idea –

    China’s official news agency has called for the creation of a “de-Americanised world”, saying the destinies of people should not be left in the hands of a hypocritical nation with a dysfunctional government.

    Heaping criticism and caustic ridicule on Washington, the Xinhua news agency called the US a civilian slayer, prisoner torturer and meddler in others’ affairs, and said the ‘Pax Americana’ was a failure on all fronts.

    http://www.hangthebankers.com/china-calls-for-world-to-de-americanise/

  95. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    13 Oct, 2013 - 11:43 pm

  96. I thought Habbabkuk was asked to leave??

    I wish they/he/she had stayed away really.Nothing but disruption and stalking on Mary.Always thought it exremely sinister,as well as the other 7 hasbara tag team that infest us here.

  97. BrianFujisan

    14 Oct, 2013 - 2:16 am

    Nevermind, Mary,..

    VATERSAY Post Office… Just thought yous would smile at this ( my own Foto BTW )

  98. BrianFujisan

    14 Oct, 2013 - 2:21 am

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