Vanishing Plane 124


If the missing Malaysian plane landed, it must have done so with the collusion of at least one government.  The broadcast media is full this morning of ludicrous speculation that the plane has been landed in Afghanistan by the Taliban (the Uighurs having apparently gone out of fashion temporarily as Muslim scapegoats).  They are trying to tell us that a Boeing 777 could hedge hop under military radar for thousands of miles with nobody noticing.

What on earth is the interest of the media in propagating this absolute guff?  South East Asia is highly militarized.  Radar is hardly cutting edge technology.  The idea that a very large plane could overfly China, India or Pakistan without anybody being alerted is an absolute nonsense.  Other countries in the region, such as Burma, Indonesia and the ex-Soviet countries, also have effective airspace surveillance.

If the plane indeed took the “northern corridor” it must have had government connivance.  Otherwise, it took the southern corridor into the open sea and has gone down there.  That last is by far the more likely scenario, and either progressive malfunction of some kind, or crew or staff suicide, the most likely causes.


124 thoughts on “Vanishing Plane

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  • Tham

    Keith Ledgerwood has the timings wrong.

    The plane turned off its ADS-B transponder off the east coast
    at 1.21 pm local time, or 1721 UTC, not 1621 UTC..

    It was then tracked by the air defence radar at RMAF Butterworth
    till midway along the P268 route at 2.15 pm local time, or 1815 UTC,
    not 1715 UTC.

    Moreover, he said MH370 relied on SIA68’s ADS-B relaying on
    its position to military radar in India as a single blip. Military, or
    air defence radar, is totally active and does not need the passive
    reception from any transponder to register a radar return on the
    display.

    The antennae sends out, or transmits, a radar beam, which bounces
    off the target and returns to the ground station, which of course
    shows up a a blip on its display. Both planes would definitely have
    been detected on primary air defence radar.

    And I don’t think that flying just 200 feet below and behind the
    Singapore plane would have been able to mask the Malaysian
    plane’s radar return.

    Modern air defence radars, which I am sure the Indians have
    along their eastern coast and borders, are 3D phased array
    radars which use sophisticaed electronic processing of radar
    returns, and would easily have detected two large airliners.

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    I particularly like the lies about the plane’s captain – you know the political madman who put together his own practice module, so that he could divert the plane somewhere immediately after Anwar Ibrahim, the pro-demorcacy leader was imprisoned for sodomy.

    Then he was so eager to kill everyone on board that he deliberately turned off the transponder before he signed off that everything was okay – the only thing he could do which showed that it wasn’t.

    Jesus, what a madhouse world we live in!

  • ESLO

    “Has anyone noticed the resemblance between these events and the story of Hergé’s Tintin book, “Flight 714 for Sydney”?”

    Yes lets blame the Belgians – no more bizarre than most of the other half cock theories that are flying around.

  • Kempe

    It doesn’t matter how sophisticated the radar is by it’s very nature radar is a line-of-sight device. If the aircraft is below the horizon the most powerful radar in the world isn’t going to pick it up and it wouldn’t have to fly very low over the ocean to remain undetected by coastal radar stations. The British task force sent to the Falklands was severely handicapped by a lack of airborne radar, they could only see out to the horizon which enabled the Argentine air force to surprise HMS Sheffield.

  • nevermind

    Thank you Tham, my concerns with flying close to another aircraft would be the automatic collission alert which would have indicated another aircraft within, I believe 1000 ft., if someone can collaborate that.

    Whatever behind a kidnap/steal theory, the pilot would have to leave his previous life behind and start anew somewhere, most likely with a full facial reconstruction and new identity, he will need accomplishes to get rid of the plane, its big and can be seen, military grade satelites can pick out any plane shape, civil or military.

    I maintain that it would be possible to fool the radar, whis is not looking in that direction but into the other direction, the south China sea. It is an avenue one should look into, both pilot and c o pilot would need passports and new names in any case. Building your own simulator is clever electronics, what else did he build? would be my question.

    Tham I never said that they needed a transponder, but to fly underneath or above the plane, slightly offset to the right or left, depending on where the ground radar is located.

    I find it somewhat sanctimonius for military top notch Awacs to be stationed in the indian Ocean some hours flight away from where they could have shone a light on this discrepancies between engine data and estimated flight patterns and we are hearing nothing from anybody.

    Such vaccum will make for all sorts of scenario’s

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Now the Malasyian authorities have changed these lies – the previous report about the captain signing off after the transponder was turned off has been rep;aced by the co-pilot signing off before the transponder was turned off.

    The whole lot of investigators should be put in the dock!

  • Giovanni

    Flying undetected because in the same blip radar screen as another plane is very unlikely.
    It would mean you know where the other plane is (you have to find it), you know the exact moment you fly exactly under that plane, you know its speed and have the exact same one and above all you know its destination and can follow the same route. You’ll be detected as soon as it takes another route and will have to find another plane to do the same again, adjusting your speed to its by tricky manoeuvres.

  • N_

    I hope you’re both joking about ‘kilts’, or else you won’t pass your photo-intelligence exams. The bloke on the right is holding a bag at hip height, in front of his trousers. The chap on the left is wearing jeans or similar – you can see the waistband.

  • AlcAnon/Squonk

    One big mystery right now is why we’ve only been given the ping “arc” for the last received ping. They must have the arcs for previous pings which will provide further information.

    Yesterday CNN briefly broadcast that they had reason to believe the last two pings were on the same arc. Possibly even the same location and that indicated the plane could be on the ground. They haven’t mentioned it again. Of course if two or more pings were from approximately the same location it could also indicate a plane flying a holding pattern until the fuel ran out.

    Strange then that they haven’t published any other data on the earlier pings.

  • Jemand

    Planes are difficult to hijack in the US, post 9/11. But much easier to hijack in backwater countries like Malaysia where playboy pilots open the cockpit cabin for impromptu visits by pretty, young ladies.

    I am now wondering if the plane might have been hijacked and flown to a location (abandoned airfield?) where the passengers were disembarked (and murdered, I suppose) and the plane refitted and refuelled to be later flown and merged with a busy route to the US where it can relive a 9/11 style attack. The new One World Trade Center building that replaces the original twin towers in New York is scheduled to open in mid 2014 – only three months away.

    What an extraordinary, spectacular attack it would be on the US on that day if it comes to pass.

    Looking at the Boeing 777 specs, I think it could be capable of flying the distance to the US from anywhere in the world. With extra fuel tanks replacing passengers, seats and baggage, it might be possible to fly an elaborate route that confounds air traffic controllers, inveigle its way into US air space and approach its target before a preventative response can be deployed.

    The three months leading up to the opening of the new One World Trade Center, would be needed to refit the plane for its destructive mission.

    [edit : I see others have speculated about this possibility]

    Then again, it could be a heist.

  • N_

    I wonder whether some power other than China thought it was about time to hit China with a biggie, but Chinese security was far stronger than they thought. If so, we may soon see some effects on the stock exchanges.

  • mark golding

    Possible Jemand considering $scads of ‘unable to be tracked’ transactions in Pentagon accounting. $Billions were paid down on the Twin Towers operation where a number of converted aircraft were forfeited.

  • Ben

    What was the final cui bono on Lockerbie?

    Kill hundreds to cover the murder of a few?

  • Ben

    What was the mission? Do the timelines match?


    Disbelieving family and friends of an ex-Navy SEAL who died of an apparent drugs overdose on the ship made famous in the movie Captain Phillips are convinced of a ‘cover-up’ and have called for a US investigation into his death, MailOnline can reveal today.
    The body of Mark Kennedy, a super fit, highly-decorated member of the elite fighting force, was found inside a cabin on the cargo ship Maersk Alabama – the vessel involved in a 2009 hijacking that ended with Somali pirates shot dead by SEALs.”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2575749/Whats-chances-two-Navy-SEALs-turning-dead-room-Family-friends-demand-US-investigation-mystery-hookers-heroin-deaths-ship-famous-Captain-Philips.html#ixzz2wEmXkBny
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  • Ben

    “For example, a U.S. intelligence assessment described to The Daily Beast by current and former U.S. intelligence officials, concluded any Israeli attack on Iran would go far beyond fighter plane airstrikes and would likely deploy EW against Iran’s electric grid, Internet, cellphone network, and emergency frequencies for firemen and police officers.

    “For example, Israel has developed a weapon capable of mimicking a maintenance cellphone signal that commands a cell network to “sleep,” effectively stopping transmissions, officials confirmed. The Israelis also have jammers capable of creating interference within Iran’s emergency frequencies for first responders.”

    In a 2007, “the Syrian military got a taste of this warfare when Israeli planes ‘spoofed’ the country’s air-defense radars, at first making it appear that no jets were in the sky and then in an instant making the radar believe the sky was filled with hundreds of planes.”
    Last year, it was announced that new stealth technology makes airplanes invisible not only to radar, it also renders them hidden to the human eye as well — “just like an invisibility cloak in a Hollywood sci-fi thriller,”

    – See more at: http://www.patriotnetdaily.com/malaysia-plane-hidden-with-electronic-weapon-20-hi-tech-ew-defense-passengers/#sthash.mmskaAHB.dpuf

  • Geoff

    Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t it the case that the arcs on which the plane must be are purely determined by the distance to the satellite being equal across all points? Therefore if this plane really were taken somewhere else far away, wouldn’t it be very unlikely that the chosen path would cross right through the area in which it vanished? Remember this is a not a flight path. To me this has been overlooked. I believe this is strong evidence that the plane was still very much in the vicinity of Malaysia/Indonesia at 8.11am and I do believe when it is found it will be very close to there.

  • mark golding

    Thanks Ben – ECM or electronic warfare (EW) as it was known was a component of my profession and still remains a field of interest esp. blocking the guidance control systems of professional surveillance ‘drones’ RPV’s or UAV’s.

  • Ben

    News outlets furiously reporting the backgrounds of passengers, also pilot and co.
    They insist someone with aviation communications and technology, turned off ACARS from WITHIN the cockpit.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/04/10/researcher-says-hes-found-hackable-flaws-in-airplanes-navigation-systems/

    “Hackers and security researchers have warned for years of vulnerabilities in next-generation air traffic control protocols. But Teso focused on a different protocol called Aircraft Communications Addressing and Report System, (ACARS) a simple data exchange system that has evolved over decades to now include everything from weather data to airline schedules to changes to the plane’s flight management system.”

  • CanSpeccy

    The idea that a very large plane could overfly China, India or Pakistan without anybody being alerted is an absolute nonsense.

    So it couldn’t have happened over the US on 9/11 either. Which means …..

  • Techno

    The Freescale semiconductor engineers is a major lead as far as I’m concerned. It is already public knowledge that the US government is worried that electronic goods made in China can be designed to spy, and some of those Freescale engineers are US trained Chinese. Did somebody want them “disappeared”?

  • Ben

    Distance form Kuala Lampur to Seychelles– 3400 miles.
    Range of 777 –5200 miles.

    Maersk Alabama?

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Now that Washington has helped greatly to expand vastly the search area for the missing plane, presumed either hijacked somewhere far off, and crashed in the Indian Ocean, guess what happens now?

    It is scaling back its efforts, leaving them to the Aussies!

    Could be the wildest wild goose chase ever!

  • John Robertson

    “Diego Garcia. Just sayin’.” Does make one wonder why no one mentions this.

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