Freedom Cheaper than Iraq War

by craig on May 26, 2014 5:03 pm in Uncategorized

A particularly mendacious lie by Danny Alexander puts the institutional start-up costs of Scottish Independence at £1.5 billion.  That is a cool half billion pounds cheaper than Scotland’s share of the costs of the Iraq and Afghan wars, even on the Westminster government’s blatant under-estimate of the war costs.

So Scotland can afford criminal invasions killing hundreds of thousands to ‘bring freedom’, but cannot afford the smaller cost of its own freedom!!!

The £1.5 billion estimate is mendacious in two ways.  Firstly, it is a simple recycling of a Canadian lie at the time of the Quebec independence referendum, apportioning with no argument 1% of GDP to startup costs.

Secondly, as nearly all the money will be spent in Scotland it is not a loss at all, but actually an increase to GDP, as any but the most nutty neo-con would be forced to acknowledge.  And it would be the precursor of government money spent annually in Scotland rather than England for ever thereafter.

Thankfully Alexander won’t have a job much longer – and if he thinks a penny of Scottish public spending is going in future to support his huge arse and deceitful mouth, he is very wrong.

 

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  1. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 2:27 pm

    Jives

    I think you’ve been rumbled, Jonathan:

    “I see we have a worthy replacement for Fedup as blog piss-head in the form of Jives.”

    (from the perspicacious Anon, on the previous thread)

  2. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 2:39 pm

    From the Wit and Wisdom of Jives

    Found this on the previoud thread (yesterday at 23h22), Jives obviously liubering up for a sinister night session….:

    “Sinister HabbyWubbyBubbyTubby,

    No i aint a socialist;Skinner and Benn never interested me.

    I am 106 years old.

    Page 1 of The Sockpuppet Troll manual dictates the need to use deceit abd subterfuge.

    I busted you on your first post here,renember?

    Obviously still rankles with you doesnt it? Your whole fake mission was blown.

    Guess thats why you resort to sinister gang-stalking of certain posters eh?

    Now go and change your string vest will ya?

    You are the Rupert Pupkin of this blog.”
    __________________

    Men in flapping white coats enter stage left…..

  3. HabbyFloppyPupkin,

    Your little mask is slipping day by day…

    Now go and change yer string vest will ya?

  4. Did Craig’s post assist in movong things along?

    BREAKING NEWS:Chilcot Inquiry says agreement is reached to disclose discussions between Tony Blair and George Bush over Iraq

    ‘Agreement’ on Blair-Bush documents
    Tony Blair with President George W. Bush in 2003 photo
    The Iraq inquiry says it is closer to agreement over publication of communications between Tony Blair and President Bush.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27625117

    BREAKING NEWS:Chilcot Inquiry says agreement is reached to disclose discussions between Tony Blair and George Bush over Iraq

    BREAKING NEWS:Chilcot Inquiry says agreement is reached to disclose discussions between Tony Blair and George Bush over Iraq

    Three times for the post and three cheers for Craig!

  5. I see the toddling troll got his places bottom and top of the pages. Totally puerile.

    PS Overuse of emoticons too!

  6. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 2:44 pm

  7. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 2:48 pm

    Mary

    “I see the toddling troll got his places bottom and top of the pages. Totally puerile.”
    ________________

    Mille excuses, Marie!

    Next time I shall ask for your permission first as I know it’s your blog.

    ************************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  8. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 2:51 pm

    Gadfly

    “What connections can be made between these two stories?

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/mystery-in-belgium

    http://carolineglick.com/pope-franciss-unfriendly-visit/
    ________________________

    None, I should say.

    Please give my £5 prize for the correct answer to your nearest charity (excluding yourself)

  9. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 2:55 pm

  10. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 2:57 pm

    I dedicate the following limerick to my friend Jives.

    “Whenever a fellow called Rex
    Flashed his very small organ of sex,
    He always got off,
    For the judges would scoff,
    De minimis non curat lex.”

  11. Troll @.1.23pm

    ‘1/. I have already given readers the lowdown in the Californian “Global Research” outfit. Suffice it to say that they are hardly disinterested and that they manage to perform the unlikely feat of making our regular commenter “Ben Gadfly” sound almost sane and balanced.’

    Wrong on several counts. Global Research is based in Canada. .ca at the end of a domain name stands for Canada not California. Duh! The site owner is Professor Michel Chossudovsky, son of a Russian émigré, the career United Nations diplomat and academic Evgeny Chossudovsky (1914–2006). Michel is highly intelligent, widely travelled and extremely well informed. He is also a very nice human being.

    This is the obituary he wrote for his father.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/evgeny-chossudovsky-writer-with-a-distinguished-un-career/1955

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky

  12. Lovely stuff here, The sweaty BLiar being repeatedly asked about Bilderberg?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyWN5knSqUk

    ~~

    Something rotten in the state of Denmark. The head of the serpent etc.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI50FhrygPI

  13. בית ספר

    29 May, 2014 - 3:15 pm

    Goodness, self-determination of peoples going from strength to strength lately

    http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.be/2014/05/speech-of-hezbollah-secretary-general.html

  14. Oh HabbyPloppyFlubby.

    That limerick is so fiendishly clever!

    And you writing it sitting there in your string vest too!

    Top o’ the class for you Habby,let none doubt it!

  15. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 3:22 pm

    As there are many Scottish readers of this blog – and a fair number of Nationalists among them – I take great pleasure in bringing a few verses of Anthony Powell’s “Caledonia” to their attention.

    When reading, think back to some of the comments about independence on here. All comments welcome if in verse. SKN : this is how proper pastiche is done…

    Enjoy.

    “Pacing with Bag-Pipe in a bosky Square,
    One morn a Piper rent the vernal air,
    Dispelling by his savage, baleful Strains
    That Freudian Pageantry, which Night-tome gains.
    (He wore a garb deprived of all amenity,
    Save fir vile jest and Smoking-Room obscenity.)
    And heark’ning to the Pibroch’s raucous Note,
    Bursting as if from tortur’d porcine Throat,
    To Reverie did errant Fancy yield,
    Of Pinkie, Solway Moss and Flodden Field,
    And of a Race, whose Thought and Word and Deed
    Have made a new INFERNO north of Tweed,
    Where they can practise in that chilly HELL
    Vices that sicken; Virtues that repel.
    Did they remain among such unthaw’d Latitudes,
    And Scot with Scot alone exchanged his Platitudes,
    Travellers but few would mark their stinted Bonhomie,
    And smile to see each finicking Oeconomy.
    Alack! They ever stream through ENGLAND’S door
    To batten on the Rich , and grind the Poor,
    With furtive Eye and eager, clutching hand
    They pass like Locusts through the Southern Land:
    And line their purses with the yellow Gold,
    Which for each Scotchman, London’s pavements hold,
    And in return, no matter where you find ’em
    They brag of Scotland, now left safe behind ’em.

    What are this Race whose pride so rudely burgeons?
    Second-t-rate Engineers and obscure Surgeons,
    Pedant-Philosophers and Fleet Street hacks,
    With ev’ry Quality that Genius lacks:
    Such Mediocrity was ne’er on view,
    Bolster’d by tireless Scottish ballyhoo-
    Nay! In two Qualities they stand supreme:
    Their Self-advertisement and Self-esteem.
    ………
    ………

    etc

  16. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 3:24 pm

    “Wrong on several counts. Global Research is based in Canada. .ca at the end of a domain name stands for Canada not California. Duh! The site owner is Professor Michel Chossudovsky,

    ___________________

    Yes, of course you’re right. My apologies, but it is often diffcult to distinguish between the inmates of the asylum.

  17. Royals sent on PR trip to Scotland.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-27618396

    Are they ‘in it together’ and/or ‘better together’ perhaps?

  18. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 3:31 pm

    Mary

    Any thoughts on “Nie” magazine – cited by Global Research – and on its fragrant editor, Mr Jerzy Urban?

    High or low credibility as far as your eagle eye is concerned?

  19. Ba'al Zevul (I think)

    29 May, 2014 - 3:41 pm

    At 1039 0n the 25th, if my lack of Swedish does not betray me, G-CEYL departed Stockholm for Malmo (life’s too short to go looking for umlauts). Where, no doubt coincidentally, Tony Blair popped up again, unreported by the English-language press. –

    http://www.sydsvenskan.se/malmo/tony-blair-besoker-malmo-ikvall/

    An e-beer to anyone who can tell me what he was doing?

    Takk to those Stockholm planespotters, btw.

  20. Ba'al Zevul (I think)

    29 May, 2014 - 3:44 pm

    Sorry, that was May 26, sometime around 1000 hrs. Language problem here.

  21. doug scorgie

    29 May, 2014 - 3:52 pm

    Mary
    29 May, 2014 – 2:42 pm

    “BREAKING NEWS:Chilcot Inquiry says agreement is reached to disclose discussions between Tony Blair and George Bush over Iraq”

    Don’t cheer too soon Mary:

    “The inquiry has revealed that an agreement has been reached on what type of “gists and quotes” will be released from 25 notes and 130 records of conversations between Blair and Bush. However, the inquiry and government have not yet decided exactly which ones will be published. There is also now a deal on releasing a small number of extracts from the most “critical” minutes of more than 200 cabinet-level discussions.”

    “The Chilcot inquiry had requested the full content of correspondence between Blair and Bush but appears to have watered down its demands and accepted that the gist of the conversations will be “sufficient to explain our conclusions”.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/29/gist-tony-blair-talks-george-bush-iraq-war-chilcot-inquiry

    We will be none the wiser Mary and the partial release of quotes and “gists” will only lead to conspiracy theories which can then be laughed off as CONSPIRACY THEORIES!!!!!

  22. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 3:59 pm

    What’s Sweden’s extradition treaty with the Hague, Ba’al?

    E-beer for me?

  23. There was a young gadfly called Habby
    Whose views grew increasingly crabby
    When asked: Do your henchmen
    Oppress untermenschen?
    His response was fascisticallly stabby.

  24. Ba'al Zevul (I think)

    29 May, 2014 - 4:12 pm

    ” The main theme was Europe, where an engaged Tony Blair announced a “framework for action” in five points. To meet the future ought Europe” (? Which Europe ought to follow?)

    Google Translate is my friend. Wonder why he’s selling his globalist snake oil in Malmo?

    http://malmoborssallskap.se/

    And who the hell are Malmoborssallskap? It seems to be a local business group. But it’s invited Clinton before now…can’t see Scunthorpe Rotarians doing that.

  25. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 4:26 pm

    It was a paid speaking engagement, but why the secrecy? Bush/Cheney would follow the same MO, amirite?

    More beer please.

  26. Britains got talent, Mike?…;)

    It looks like TB and those accused of using information gained for torture seem to determine the extend of what is released by Chilcot, not him.
    Is the devil in charge of hells heat, or is it Tony?

  27. meant to say from torture

  28. yeah, nevermind — the “gist” of the talks between Bush and Blair. That simply is not good enough.

  29. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 4:37 pm

    “You can live on Soylent alone, Mr. Rhinehart claims, though in practice he said customers would most likely use it to replace just their “staple meals,” by which he meant most of the junk you eat every day to fill yourself up. Mr. Rhinehart argued that Soylent, which costs about $3 per serving, is cheaper, easier to prepare and more nutritious than much of the food that makes up the typical American officer worker’s diet today.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/29/technology/personaltech/the-soylent-revolution-will-not-be-pleasurable.html

    I think the brand-name needs some work if it’s gonna sell.

  30. Ha. Yeah, Ben, Soylent does have some unpleasant associations. Surely planet Earth isn’t so overcrowded that we need autophagic assistance.

    I think Blair would eat himself if he was made of chocolate. Perhaps we should all partake in the mystic transubstantiation of god made flesh. Or is he the Golden Calf?

  31. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 4:53 pm

    Mike; Golden hemorrhoids seems an appropriate affliction for Blair.

    http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/06/29/more-bible-lolz-gods-golden-hemorrhoids/

    “The term “emerods” has been construed variously—boils, “buboes” (the swellings from plague), anal fistulas, and so on, but to me the translation that makes the most sense is “hemorrhoids,” not only because of the similar sound (so that the translators thought that’s what the word meant), but because they’re in the Philistines’ “secret parts.”

    Lacking Preparation H, the Philistines asked their priests what to do to rid themselves of their afflictions. The priests tell them to return the ark to the Israelites, but along with it they have to send a treasure: five golden mice and five golden images of hemorrhoids (1 Samuel 6):”

  32. Baal @ 4.12:

    “Wonder why he’s selling his globalist snake oil in Malmo?”

    Well, we may all wonder, but what really puzzles me is why anybody buys it!

  33. Comments deleted.

    Any feedback?

    No.

    Linking to the UK Electoral Commission is now prohibited?

    Yes.

    Censored. Muffled. Gagged.

    These are the tricks of control to keep the debate, pure. Unspoilt.

    Like an unspoilt vote.

  34. doug scorgie

    29 May, 2014 - 5:17 pm

    “Princesses Sahar and Jawaher, daughters of King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, have been denied access to food for more than 60 days and have limited access to water. The two sisters have been held under house arrest in Jeddah for more than 10 years by their father, as they are out of favour.”

    “I have raised the case with the foreign secretary, William Hague, as well as with David Cameron at prime minister’s questions and in correspondence.”

    “…both he and the Foreign Office have subsequently indicated that they are not prepared make representations to the Saudi authorities.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/28/saudi-princesses-need-uk-support

    This doesn’t surprise me. The same was true under Blair and then Brown and the same would be true under Ed Miliband if he became prime minister.

    Bastards; every one.

  35. Habbabkuk

    Your certificate of sanity seems to derive from an infinite regress of self-diagnosing rabbi shrinks – in psychiatrical terms, that’s the equivalent of taking in each other’s washing, isn’t it?

  36. People who read and contribute to this blog should be very grateful to habbakuk for his higher level of education, superior intelligence and his wonderful ability to correct the misunderstandings that many of us foolishly believe. Without him we would think that Israel’s occupation of Palestine is NOT such a good thing and we wouldn’t know that they care for the Palestinians with such devotion. Those jolly decent settler types even save the Palestinians from the toil of having to harvest their crops.
    Believing that the various governments in the world don’t hold its citizens as the number one priority would be dangerous indeed. Of course, finding out that we are all totally wrong, fooled and misguided hurts a little but in the long run we’ll thank him. I even believed that the current Ukraine problem was started by the legitimately elected officials being removed by (western financed) violent extremist mobs.
    I’ll go and send some food parcels now to those poor souls, the Syrian rebels who are only trying to persuade the population that an extreme version of Islam will be better for them. Some people are never happy.
    His corrections and persistent appeals for compelling evidence to support our crazy notions help focus our minds. His devils advocate mode is particularly impressive.
    Thanks a lot habbabkuk, what would we do without your enlightened contributions?

  37. Doug V disappointing on Chilcot. Perhaps I was correct in the beginning by describing it as a theatrical. And what has it cost so far? > £7m?

  38. Report: Israel suspends soldier after Palestinian teens killed
    Published today 18:28

    A screenshot from video footage showing the killing of two
    Palestinian teenagers during a Nakba Day protest.(MaanImages/DCI)

    JERUSALEM (AFP) — Israel’s army has suspended a non-combat soldier seen firing his weapon during a Nakba Day protest this month in which two unarmed Palestinian teenagers were killed, a newspaper reported Thursday.

    The report was published in Haaretz amid a military police probe into footage from two CCTV cameras that appeared to show the shooting of the two teens was unprovoked, taking place during a lull in the clashes.

    The shooting took place during a day of protests on May 15 as Palestinians marked the “Nakba”, or catastrophe, in which over 700,000 Palestinians were displaced or forced into exile during the creation of Israel.

    Haaretz said the soldier had been spotted on CNN footage released last week, firing “what appeared to be a rubber bullet” at around the same time the first of the two teenagers was shot.

    But it said there was no proof his shot was responsible for killing of Musaab Nuwarah.

    “The IDF has found no evidence proving that this soldier’s bullet caused Nuwarah’s death,” it said.

    /…
    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=700919

    But nothing will happen. Nobody will be punished and the BBC will issue an ‘Israel says’ version. Note the one ‘suspended’ was a ‘non combat’ soldier.

  39. I did not know that a wreath was laid by the Pope at the grave of Herzl. Disgusting. I suppose his friend, the Argentinian Rabbi Skorka who accompanied him, helped the Zionists to achieve that manoeuvre.

    May 29, 2014

    Papal Tour a Fizzer – The Fence-Sitting Pope
    by VACY VLANZA

    When I was a kid we had fun letting off firecrackers. Most had quite an impact – going off with a mighty bang. A few were weak, feeble and fizzled out. We called them ‘fizzers’. The pope’s tour was a fence-sitting fizzer for truth and for Palestinian justice.

    Still, Palestinians were warned in advance by the Vatican that the tour had “no political agenda” it was simply a pilgrimage. A pilgrimage, apart from the usual Christian holy sites, to the grave of Theodor Herzl where, flanked by two war criminals, Netanyahu and Peres, Francis, the Vicar of Christ, laid a giant wreath in honour of the mastermind of Zionism that unleashed the atrocities of the Nakba committed by Jewish terrorist militia; the massacres, rapes, looting, demolition of 500 Palestinian villages and the forced deportations and dispossession of 750,000 indigenous Palestinians from their beloved land…a paltry three years after the holocaust.

    What a feather in the Zionist cap! A Catholic pope honouring Herzl the Zionist atheist! Francis’ rabbi friend, Abraham Skorka was spot on when he noted that it ‘could be understood as a nod to Zionism’. It was much more than a nod. For the gleeful Netanyahu gang, it was an imprimatur on the expansionism of Greater Israel negating Francis’ two-state solution.

    /..
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/29/the-fence-sitting-pope/

  40. These villagers appear to be amazingly patient. How about the local authority only recording a crash if there is injury, ie one out of the 24 that have occurred so far this year.

    Nether Haugh: Death fears over B6089 crash road
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-27620640

    Their MP, Sarah Champion Lab Rotherham, is on the HoC Transport Committee!!

  41. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 7:10 pm

    Andy

    “Thanks a lot habbabkuk, what would we do without your enlightened contributions?”
    ________________

    And my thanks to you as well, Andy. But I’m not entirely sure that I should take your thanks seriously (any more than you should take mine seriously) since I believe I recognise your moniker and seem to remember that I’ve had occasion to set you right on a couple of matters in the past. I can’t remember the exact comments of yours which I had to correct but I do hope I didn’t have to be too brutal when demolishing you?

    *********************

    Habbabkuk cleans up the vilest sewers. Use liberally.

  42. More about the hypocrisy at the Mansion House.

    Try to Contain Your Laughter: Prince Charles and Lady de Rothschild Team Up to Talk About ‘Inclusive Capitalism’

    Lady de Rothschild Speaks on Bloomberg News About the Inclusive Capitalism Conference

    Now that the worldwide Occupy Wall Street protest movement has been beaten, pepper-sprayed, mass-arrested and hog-tied into submission; now that assorted financial luminaries have exhorted corporate media to stop giving air time to people calling bankers evil; it’s now safe for the 1 percent to take over the debate – or so the thinking goes in London.

    Prince Charles, who lives in four mansions in England, Scotland and Wales, delivered the opening speech yesterday for a conference on “Inclusive Capitalism” hosted by Lady de Rothschild, wife of multi-billionaire Sir Evelyn Robert de Rothschild, in the heart of financial skulduggery, the City of London, Wall Street’s alter ego.

    Rounding out the day’s speakers were former President Bill Clinton, who repealed the depression era investor protection legislation known as the Glass-Steagall Act which deregulated Wall Street and is widely blamed for the 2008 financial collapse and for ushering in the greatest wealth inequality in America since the Gilded Age; and former Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers who helped Clinton muscle through the deregulatory legislation. (You can see the full-day agenda here.)

    The lurking undertone of the conference was not so much a noblesse oblige gesture to spread the wealth as it was an effort to address the growing anxiety among the well-heeled that if they don’t step up their PR game, government and/or a populist revolution is going to take the reins – and possibly their heads.

    Lady de Rothschild (Lynn Forester) summed up the anxiety the day before in an interview with Bloomberg News, saying it’s “really dangerous when business is viewed as one of society’s problems.” She noted further that 61 percent of Britons say they will elect the party “that is toughest on big business.”

    The web site of the Inclusive Capitalism Initiative which sponsored the conference adds this note to explain its motivations: “To avoid heavy-handed government interference in the banking sector, a revolution in management, supervision and ethics is required.”

    /..
    http://www.blacklistednews.com/Try_to_Contain_Your_Laughter%3A_Prince_Charles_and_Lady_de_Rothschild_Team_Up_to_Talk_About_%E2%80%98Inclusive_Capitalism%E2%80%99/35566/0/0/0/Y/M.html

  43. The sick making agenda. Look at the participants in the panels.

    http://www.inclusivecapitalism.org/conference-2014/agenda/

    They followed with some nice cocktails and then dinner. We are not told about the menu.

    Q Do they have another conference later on in the year entitled ‘Exclusive Capitalism’?

  44. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 8:16 pm

    Yes, let’s put all the cards on the table…

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38630.htm

    “Small wonder that Putin and his associates were prospecting for powerful new friends ten years ago – first and foremost, China. And, the West kept providing the Kremlin with new incentives as NATO recruiters remained aggressive. NATO heads of state, meeting in Bucharest in April 2008, declared: “NATO welcomes Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO. We agreed today that these countries will become members of NATO.”

    That led to some very foolish adventurism on the part of former Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, who had been listening to the wrong people in Washington and thought he could play tough with the rebellious regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, including attacks on Russian peacekeeping troops. Russian forces gave the Georgians what Moscow normally calls a “resolute rebuff.”

    The 2008 declaration of NATO’s intent is still on the books, however. And recent events in Ukraine, as a violent putsch overthrew elected President Yanukovych and installed a pro-Western regime in Kiev, became the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back.

    During an interview with CNBC on May 23, 2014, President Putin bemoaned the still-pending NATO expansion in the context of Ukraine: “Coup d’état takes place, they refuse to talk to us. So we think the next step Ukraine is going to take, it’s going to become a NATO member. They’ve refused to engage in any dialogue. We’re saying military, NATO military infrastructure is approaching our borders; they say not to worry, it has nothing to do with you. But tomorrow Ukraine might become a NATO member, and the day after tomorrow missile defense units of NATO could be deployed in this country.”

    Putin raised the issue again on May 24, accusing the West of ignoring Russia’s interests – in particular, by leaving open the possibility that Ukraine could one day join NATO. “Where is the guarantee that, after the forceful change of power, Ukraine will not tomorrow end up in NATO?” Putin wanted to know.”

  45. More rot from the LDs.

    Lord Rennard Says Sorry To ‘Harassment’ Women
    The ex-Lib Dem peer goes against his earlier refusal to apologise by saying he regrets “harm and embarrassment” to four women.
    http://news.sky.com/story/1271625/lord-rennard-says-sorry-to-harassment-women

    A third hand apology which does not sound sincere gives no satisfaction under the law to the four women. They should sue him or the partei for damages.

  46. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 9:32 pm

    The Reluctant POTUS; at least we have that going for us.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/28/obama-s-flawed-vision-of-the-world.html

    “The same goes for venturing anew into the Syrian swamp. Obama is now moving to provide moderate rebels in Syria with overt training from U.S. special operation forces in addition to the covert aid presently fed by the CIA. That move will make sense only if the White House formulates a viable strategy for Syria. Right now, its strategy of upending President Bashar Assad makes no sense. If he’s not winning, he’s certainly not losing. And no amount of projected aid to the moderate rebels will change that unfortunate but unarguable fact.

    Thus, Obama either will have to change his means and provide massive aid to these rebels, which he will not do, or he will have to change his goal of eliminating Assad. This may well surprise experts, but senior administration officials tell me that Obama has been modifying his objective and is now prepared to work with Assad, to some degree, along with the moderate rebels, against what the White House finally has come to see as the real and major threat—the jihadists. These senior officials further say that they expect support in this new policy from previous opponents, i.e. from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states. Let us hope that this is true.

  47. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    29 May, 2014 - 10:08 pm

    “Remarkably, Snowden had made claims about going through channels prior to this exclusive interview. The NSA had denied that any paper trail showing communications existed.”

    http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2014/05/29/email-released-by-us-intelligence-to-undermine-snowdens-claims-about-going-through-channels-but-does-it/

  48. I’m surprised there have been no responses to Ben/anyone regarding Obama’s “We’ve won, world, get over it… now just do as you are told and we won’t get angry” speech?

    1251 responses have been logged to this Guardian article:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/28/obama-foreign-policy-shift-speech-west-point

  49. Habbabkuk

    You know those tasty bits of skin on take-away chicken wings you don’t really want to eat? You are the feathers from them.

  50. Gist of the thing.

    Blair to Bush: ” You know those bits of hair in my stools, don’t worry about them. I only chew my tail because I’m bored filling in for the, you know, UK Conservatives, until another of your poodles can get them back in.”

    Bush to Blair: ” Listen Benn, oil is in Iraq. It’s our oil. Get up on your pulpit in the mother of parliaments and explain it to them. Understand? “

  51. Chilcott caved. I’m sad, but not surprised. Clearly the pressure from the US was serious indeed, one wonders quite how serious. It’s all rather depressing really. And the fact that the Tories put a spanner in the works is weird indeed, and makes me go all conspiratorial; those letters must have been damning indeed. We’ll find out in 100 years, after we are all dead, of course.

  52. The Bear and the Bees

    Once upon a time, a bear was stung by a bee. This made him so angry, he ran into the bee-garden and, without stopping to think, kicked over all the beehives in furious revenge. This made all the bees very angry as well, and they flew at him, and stung him in a thousand places and he wished he had never gone near them.

    Moral:
    It is silly to pay back someone for one injury, if by doing so you make hundreds of enemies.

  53. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 8:24 am

    It was a paid speaking engagement, but why the secrecy? Bush/Cheney would follow the same MO, amirite?

    More beer please.

    I am not going to feed your beer habit, Ben, until you give up Bud and declare a preference for Greene King IPA. I am trying to support British industry.

    But seriously, the secrecy question highlights the deeply contradictory nature of the man. When he’s on the self-promotion trail, he’s all over the media. Where money is concerned, he hides his activities very successfully. And where his mission to the Israelis/proposed exploitation of the Palestinians is concerned, he’s pretty well invisible unless Ha’aretz catches him schmoozing Netanyahu. Aside, I’d be interested to know what the Quartet ‘representative’ was doing solving the Middle East with a bunch of Swedes at a formal dinner in the US Embassy in Stockholm. The US may be a member of the Quartet, but Sweden only qualifies as a very non-representative part of Europe. Neutral country? Maybe, but the US embassy isn’t neutral ground at all.

  54. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 8:27 am

    Mary (re the Conference on inclusive capitalism):

    “The sick making agenda. Look at the participants in the panels.

    http://www.inclusivecapitalism.org/conference-2014/agenda/
    _________________________

    I’ve looked at the agenda and the items seem to be eminently pertinent and sensible ones, so why is it making you “sick”?

    As for the participants, they seem to be high-level company executives in the main (people who run the capitalist model on a daily basis) Is there anything surprising or reprehensible about that?

    PS – you also complain that they haven’t revealed what was for lunch. Is what they had for lunch remevant to anything in particular?

    Another pointless post, I’m afraid, Mary.

  55. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 8:58 am

    Anyway, he got back yesterday morning, so presumably he’ll be getting instructions from Cherie before being bland on all media re. Chilcot. Q. Why do the media even bother to publish his denial of blocking the Bush-Blair correspondence? He’s a proven liar, and his openness schtick must have worn thin by now,ffs.

    Of course he didn’t block it. Cameron blocked it, after a casually dropped hint during one of his many friendly discussions with Blair. Blair knows where the bodies are buried,Cameron knows what’s good for him, and that’s how things get done round here.

  56. Major, ref Chilcot, said this morning that Cameron’s government could not intervene with Heywood and that it will now fester. Dear Grey Man. Heywood was there in Blair’s time at the critical point as he is there for Cameron today. And as for ‘festering’ it has already festered and the laudable pus will shower over all of them.

    Heywood. now 53, has been around since Lamont’s time. PPS to Blair, then Chief of Staff to Brown, then Permanent Secretary and afterwards Cabinet Secretary to Cameron. Cameron was also around in Lamont’s time. All the gangsters are known to each other and Heywood knows all their secrets apart from those during the period 2003-8 when he went off to make money.
    .

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Heywood

    It is most pertinent that he resigned in 2003.

    ‘Heywood joined HM Treasury in 1992 and became the Principal Private Secretary to Chancellor Norman Lamont at the age of 30, having to help mitigate the fallout from Black Wednesday after less than a month in the job.[5] Heywood remained in this role throughout the 1990s under Chancellors Kenneth Clarke and Gordon Brown before being promoted to be the Principal Private Secretary to Prime Minister Tony Blair in 1999. He stayed in this position until 2003, when he left the civil service in the wake of the Hutton Inquiry where it emerged that Heywood claimed to have never minuted meetings in the Prime Ministerial offices about Dr David Kelly, a job he was required to do. He emerged to become the Managing Director of the UK Investment Banking Division at Morgan Stanley where he became embroiled in the Southern Cross Healthcare scandal that almost saw 30,000 elderly people being made homeless.[6] Upon Gordon Brown becoming Prime Minister in 2007, Heywood returned to government as Head of Domestic Policy and Strategy at the Cabinet Office. Political commentator Peter Oborne, in the wake of this appointment described Heywood as

    “a perfect manifestation of everything that has gone so very wrong with the British civil service over the past 15 years.”[7]

    He would later go on to resume his old job of Principal Private Secretary, as well as being appointed the Downing Street Chief of Staff after the resignation of Stephen Carter.[8] In 2010, after David Cameron became Prime Minister, Heywood was replaced as Chief of Staff by Edward Llewellyn and as Principal Private Secretary by James Bowler. Heywood returned to the civil service and was subsequently appointed the first Downing Street Permanent Secretary, a role created with the purpose of liaising between the Cabinet Secretary and the Chief of Staff within the Cabinet Office.’

    What a stench!

    PS Cameron was Lamont’s bag carrier at the time of Black Wednesday.
    http://www.addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/david-cameron-and-norman-lamont.jpg
    ‘And who was working with Norman Lamont on Black Wednesday. Young David Cameron!
    You can be sure that this photo will be reproduced a few times as we get closer to the next General Election. Although Cameron was really just a bag carrier rather than a player, he is indelibly associated with Lamont’s failure.’

  57. The troll above displays further lack of comprehension and even inability to read. It was their DINNER I was talking about, not lunch.

    ~~~
    ‘Central to the proceedings was an undercurrent of elite fear that the increasing disenfranchisement of the vast majority of the planetary population under decades of capitalist business-as-usual could well be its own undoing.

    The Conference on Inclusive Capitalism is the brainchild of the Henry Jackson Society (HJS), a little-known but influential British think tank with distinctly neoconservative and xenophobic leanings. In May 2012, HJS executive director Alan Mendoza explained the thinking behind the project:

    “… we felt that such was public disgust with the system, there was a very real danger that politicians could seek to remedy the situation by legislating capitalism out of business.”

    He claimed that HJS research showed that “the only real solutions that can be put forward to restore trust in the system, and which actually stand a chance of bringing economic prosperity, are being led by the private, rather than the public, sector.”’
    (Nafeez Ahmed: The Guardian)
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/may/28/inclusive-capitalism-trojan-horse-global-revolt-henry-jackson-society-pr-growth

    Henry Jackson Society. Enough said.

  58. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 9:31 am

    Meanwhile, from the nethermost pit, emerges…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638470/Former-spin-doctor-Alastair-Campbell-meets-Egyptian-regime-blamed-1-000-deaths-weeks-Blair-gives-staunch-backing-coup-leader-ahead-election.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

    As the article makes slightly less obscure, Campbell/Blair remain an item.

    And –

    Chris Doyle, director of the Council for Arab-British Understanding, said at the time of Mr Blair’s remarks: ‘Dangerously, Blair and others are turning a blind eye to the suppression of human rights, the widespread arrests, the crackdown on freedom of media and the absence of rule of law.’

    Well, yes, that’s what you’ve gotta do, y’know, and you have to have, y’know, some instability and stuff so your lovely big hedge funds can move in and buy the place up. Cherie says you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs (I really wouldn’t know, I let the help do all that) but it works for Kazakhstan, doesn’t it? Used notes, please. Thank you.

  59. Ot I am told

    Our local land fill recycles the plastic bottles carefully collected in wheels bins.

    The bottles are collected, weighed, then put in sheds and steamed with megawatts partially decomposed then put into the landfill.
    Of which leaches into the ground.
    All waste decomposes and produces methane/ co2 and toxic chemicals.

    Incinerated at high temp, no toxic chemicals just co2.

    The Swedish are the most advanced in this technology! Hopefully the suits at Bilderberg can discuss the intricacies of toxifying the planet.

    Growth. “Nevermind”

  60. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 10:17 am

    Jay:

    As you correctly mention, landfill produces methane. If your local landfill were run as a sealed gas recovery unit, the methane could be used to run a small power station – and at many UK sites has done successfully for over a decade. And there would be no leachate, as geopolymer and clay barriers contain the toxic runoff. As much household waste consists of waste food and paper, at least some of the methane production is sustainable. As indeed is much of the CO2, which is probably not the case with the extra energy required to ensure that incinerator waste not only burns, but burns at a sufficiently high temperature.

    Also, incineration isn’t quite as straightforward as setting fire to the rubbish. This Chinese paper outlines why: take-home message, incinerators must be strongly monitored to ensure that the complex (and energy-requiring) cleanup of the exhaust gas stream remains effective. And that does not mean ‘monitored by the operator alone’. Dioxins are nasty.

  61. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 10:21 am

    Personally, I’m not sure why plastics aren’t routinely separated from the waste stream at the outset, and pyrolised to give a mixed-hydrocarbon oil which can then be fractionated for chemical feedstocks. Wouldn’t need much, if any, more energy than steaming them.

  62. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 10:22 am

  63. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 11:23 am

    John Major exhibits some understanding:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chilcot-inquiry-john-major-urges-blair-to-get-bush-conversations-published-9459173.html

    Speaking on Radio 4’s Today programme, Sir John said it was a “pity” for papers to be withheld.

    He added: “Firstly, they will leave suspicions unresolved and those suspicions will fester and maybe worsen.

    “Secondly, in many ways I think withholding them is going to be very embarrassing for Tony Blair, not least of course because he brought the Freedom of Information Act into law when he was in government*.”

    Sir John said there were “strict rules” that prevented the current Government from intervening and insisted it was down to Labour or Mr Blair to approach the Cabinet Office, which handled the negotiations.

    “Mr Blair could, the previous Labour government could, and maybe in their own interests they should think about that because otherwise, as I say, this will fester and I don’t think anybody wishes to see that,” he added.

    And Tony agrees…errrmmm…theoretically:

    “It is certainly not me who is holding it up,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. “The sooner it is published the better, from my perspective, as it allows me to make the arguments.” , he lied.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27585261

    * Blair has since expressed the wish that he hadn’t, lol.

  64. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 11:39 am

    Andrew Gilligan also has a score to settle with Blair, after he (Gilligan) was fired from the BBC for his 2003 broadcast correctly alleging that the Iraq WMD claim had been ‘sexed-up’.

    Here’s Gilligan (lately Boris’s cycle commissioner, but we can forgive him for that) reporting a Chilcot development which the MSM largely missed:

    On January 13, 2010, the day after one star witness, Mr Blair’s spin man, Alastair Campbell, appeared before Chilcot, the inquiry heard from the Cabinet Secretary at the time of the invasion, Andrew Turnbull. Lord Turnbull gave evidence again, as did his predecessor, Lord Wilson, on January 25 2011, a few days after Mr Blair had made his second appearance.

    Both times, the TV circus for Mr Campbell and Mr Blair had folded its tents and the ex-mandarins’ sessions were barely covered in the Press.

    But they were devastating. Lord Turnbull said that he and the Cabinet had essentially been deceived, “brought into the story … a long way behind” what had already been agreed by what he described as Mr Blair’s “entourage”. The Cabinet never saw any papers at all, he said. Lord Wilson, who left six months before the war, testified that at his final meeting with the Prime Minister he had told Mr Blair that he had a worrying “gleam in his eye” over military action.

    Lord Turnbull added that had Lord Wilson known the full picture – that a note had already been sent to President George W Bush promising, in his words, that “you can count on us whatever”, Lord Wilson “would not have described it [just] as a gleam”.

    And that’s the then Cabinet Secretary; by the look of it he would have no objection to full publication. It would support the evidence he gave.. Strange that the current CS is so pusillanimous on the subject, no?

  65. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 12:04 pm

    Mary

    “The troll above displays further lack of comprehension and even inability to read. It was their DINNER I was talking about, not lunch.”
    ________________

    I accept the bitch’s* correction and therefore rephrase my question as follows:

    “you also complain that they haven’t revealed what was for dinner. Is what they had for dinner relevant to anything in particular?”.

    Answer now awaited, thanks
    ___________________

    * as you see fit to refer to me as the “troll”, I’m sure you won’t mind if I refer to you as the “bitch”? That’s fair enough, isn’t it : to you I present the characteristics of a troll, whilst to me you present the characteristics of a bitch.

  66. Ray McGovern, with a useful cautionary backgrounder on the current geo-political tectonic shift:

    “The post-coup election of a pro-Western politician as president of Ukraine – and the escalating slaughter of lightly armed anti-coup rebels in the east – have created a celebratory mood in Official Washington, but the victory dance may be premature, says ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern.”

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38630.htm

  67. All this talk of Soylent Green. Did they ever find Saddam Hussein’s Sausage-Making Machine?

    Was Tubby Isaacs the noob troll that muscled in on habbaduk’s (remember him) patch and got told off in no uncertain terms that this place was already well-covered, OnYerBike!

  68. Mary aka Habbabkuk's Bitch

    30 May, 2014 - 12:53 pm

    Nice types. If it’s not the IDF with tear gas, it’s Orthodox Israelis with stinkbombs. Krazies and nasty with it.

    Orthodox men hurl stinkbombs at women praying at Jerusalem’s Western Wall

    Religious tensions in Israeli society turned Judaism’s holiest site into “a battlefield” on Friday, police said, as ultra-orthodox men hurled missiles and insults at women worshippers exercising their right to pray in a manner previously restricted to men.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10049274/Orthodox-men-hurl-stinkbombs-at-women-praying-at-Jerusalems-Western-Wall.html

  69. Mary aka Habbabkuk's Bitch

    30 May, 2014 - 12:59 pm

    Ms Power aka Mrs Sunstein is so greedy for sanctions. Targeted ones this time for South Sudan. Now where’s that oil Ms Power?

    ‘U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power has urged the Security Council to consider imposing targeted sanctions on South Sudan.’

    U.N. peacekeepers to focus on protecting South Sudan civilians
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/05/27/uk-southsudan-unrest-un-idUKKBN0E72FZ20140527

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan_%E2%80%93_South_Sudan_Border_War

  70. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 1:00 pm

    I have reasons for believing Tubby Isaacs is/was in fact Fred.

  71. Mary aka Habbabkuk's Bitch

    30 May, 2014 - 1:25 pm

    A new low for Question Time. They had a footballer on the panel who insulted a UKIP MEP in a sexist remark as she saw it. Spat blew up. Piers Morgan et al.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1401449615.html

    I see Willetts there in the video and Margaret Curran MP. Who?

    All broadcast from the new Terminal 2, terminal being the operative word.

    A review from the Torygraph
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/10864227/Joey-Barton-v-Piers-Morgan-who-won-Question-Times-Match-of-the-Day.html

  72. “Subvert and overthrow” replaces “shock and awe”. Here’s the why and how. Ukraine (Neo-con War Number 6) was $5 billion well spent.

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2014/05/29/barack-obamas-foreign-policy-dilemma/

    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/02/26/cheering-a-democratic-coup-in-ukraine/

  73. Missed this. Crispin Black has reported that Polish reservists, including those currently living in Britain, have been called up for “exercises”:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-24/poland-quietly-mobilizing-its-army-reservists

    Apparently the Poles are feeling vulnerable.

    Should teach them not to blindly follow US foreign policy and tend more to their own existential interest, a lesson Poles seem never to have learnt despite being taught it time and time again.

    Difficult to see them learning it this time either, since their foreign policy is fronted by here today gone tomorrow, British educated Bullingdon boy, Radosław Sikorski.

  74. Challenging “All Forms of Injustice”? Who is the “Real Pope” Francis I?
    By Prof Michel Chossudovsky and James Corbett

    Global Research, May 29, 2014

    Pope Francis I has been portrayed in chorus by the Western media as a champion of “Liberation Theology” committed to global poverty alleviation.

    Pope Francis has urged world leaders to challenge “all forms of injustice” and resist the “economy of exclusion… the throwaway culture, … and the “culture of death,” [which] … sadly risk becoming passively accepted.”

    Who is the Real Pope Francis I

    Jorge Mario Bergoglio (Pope Francis I) was one of the main supporters –within the Catholic hierarchy– of Argentina’s military dictatorship which came to power in a CIA supported coup in 1976.

    Jorge Mario Bergoglio not only supported the dictatorship, he also played a direct and complicit role in the “Dirty War” (la guerra sucia”) in liaison with the military Junta headed by General Jorge Videla, leading to the arrest, imprisonment, torture and disappearance of progressive Catholic priests and laymen who were opposed to Argentina’s military rule.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/challenging-all-forms-of-injustice-is-pope-francis-i-committed-to-liberation-theology/5384297

    Video 20 mins

  75. Poland was also complicit in extraordinary rendition.

    ‘In addition, the European Court of Human Rights recently agreed to consider a second case against Poland over allegations from another former CIA prisoner, Zayn al-Abidin Muhammad Husayn (known as Abu Zubaydah), who was tortured while held in a secret CIA-run prison in Poland. While these measures are an important step in ensuring accountability for U.S. actions on the global stage, they do not absolve the U.S. from its own responsibility under international law to hold those who were responsible for CIA abuses accountable, and release information about the unlawful activities carried out as part of the extraordinary rendition program.’
    https://www.aclu.org/blog/human-rights-national-security/new-information-about-cia-extraordinary-rendition-program

    and so on with other instances.

  76. In the first 48 hours of the assault on Baghdad by the ‘coalition of the willing’ this ‘dodgy dossier’ illegal war murdered 357 children including 66 babies, burnt alive while waiting for their breakfast.

    Doctors for Iraq report 2004 emailed to children of Iraq Association – http://www.coia.org.uk

  77. ” Orthodox men hurl stinkbombs at women praying at Jerusalem’s Western Wall ”

    Well at least it was only stinkbombs.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1270504/pakistan-pregnant-woman-stoned-to-death

    You find morons in all religions; and indeed some with no religion at all.

  78. ” Apparently the Poles are feeling vulnerable. ”

    Well after having been invaded by the Nazis and the Soviet Union and suffering 45 years of oppression by the latter it’s hardly surprising.

  79. @Mark: And we all watched it happen on prime time television, but with a peculiar mix of colour that confused the easily confused about what was really happening.

    @Mary: Poland (or their government) was almost as keen as TB to be a big member of “coalition of the willing”, and they led part of the laughingly called “Operation Iraqi Freedom”.

  80. We did ‘Peacewisher’ -distant shots in ‘Pathéchrome’ of cruise missiles exploding to be followed later by cluster bombs. Let us remind ourselves who were the ‘coalition of the willing’ that neglected the UN Security Council and pooh-poohed the correct meaning of resolutions passed on Iraq.

    Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan.

  81. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 2:49 pm

    From under a stone oozed ‘Lord’ Mandelson, heading up the bottom of some Russian oligarchs:

    http://eng.rspp.ru/simplepage/598

    This is the Russian equivalent of Davos. Mandelson is a director of Sistema, a Russian defence conglomerate 60% owned by Vladimir Yevtushenkov ($9Bn). Attendance at the event was being discouraged by the US and UK governments, but pliable Peter wasn’t discouraged…

    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/russia-and-former-soviet-union/new-york-times-kremlin-tells-media-to-play-down-investment-forum-boycott-348974.html

    Bit like Prescott Bush and AG Farben*, isn’t it?

    *Look it up.

  82. mark golding 30 May, 2014 – 1:50 pm

    Not to mention all the deaths since from birth defects and cancer in Fallujah. The United States has no shame. UK not much. I have been researching for an article on the arrest and detainment of Moazzam Begg and came across some very disturbing episodes, not least this case of Dr. Aafia Siddiqui.

    http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/07/22/314973/the-strange-case-of-aafia-siddiqui/

    So much ill has come from the so-called “war-on-terror” I hardly recognise my country anymore.

  83. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 3:09 pm

    Mandelson’s advice to BP on the Southern Corridor gas pipeline project (Caspian to Turkey) –
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/14/lord-mandelson-bp_n_4593836.html
    -must have been a nice little earner for Global Counsel, his Blair-alike bullshit outlet. But the project seems to be hitting problems. Or should that be and the project’s hitting problems?

    http://www.naturalgaseurope.com/southern-corridor-total-shah-deniz

    Writing for the ultra-socialist Spectator, Mandelson recently announced his plans to rent a farm in Wiltshire and spend his declining years shearing cows and milking sheep. Good idea!

  84. @Mark: I notice you left Ukraine off that 2003 list… surely a typo!

    At the time, I couldn’t understand why a country allied to Russia would side with US on this one. Shape of things to come…? following year they had the “orange revolution”.

  85. But, remember that Blair recently came out against the current agression towards Russia. He favours more concentration on Syria.

    Many interests in Kazakhstan.

    Pity then that the treaty establishing the Eurasian Economic Union was signed on May 29th, in Astana, the capital of Kazakhstan.

    http://english.pravda.ru/world/ussr/29-05-2014/127684-eurasian_economic_union-0/

    Remember too that NATO hasn’t been that forthcoming in beefing up Poland’s defenses, since they joined in 1999, and even up to the present day they’re not that interested.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10737838/Ukraine-crisis-Poland-asks-Nato-to-station-10000-troops-on-its-territory.html

    The US cares little about even the interests of the stronger EU members in their plans for world domination, nevermind here today gone tomorrow Poland.

    At least the Germans, French and Italians are keeping their options open, leaving a very vulnerable Poland to play hardball with the mighty beast on their border.

    Feckin newbies!

  86. Correct Peacekeeper-an oversight-Interestingly with increasing domestic pressure Ukraine withdrew in Dec. 2004 while Georgia remained until August 2008.

    Coalition of the ‘Bribed and Bullied’

    http://citation.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/0/9/9/5/9/pages99593/p99593-1.php

    “A Coalition of the Willing”: an analysis of the commitment and withdrawal of Ukrainian and Georgian armed forces.

    http://citation.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/3/6/3/2/0/pages363207/p363207-1.php

  87. ‘No shame’ John…

    n the speech by Barack Obama on Wednesday May 28, the US President affirmed his belief in a foreign policy influenced by “US exceptionalism”.

    To its critics, US exceptionalism is nothing but a euphemism for immunity, discrimination and propaganda to excuse and defend war crimes carried out by the United States. In view of the US’s exposure as a dangerous rogue state by an increasing army of whistleblowers, something like US exceptionalism is Obama’s only excuse for otherwise starkly hypocritical international relations.

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/obama-believe-american-exceptionalism-every-fiber/191611/

  88. Some interesting stuff from Bullingdon boy, Radoslaw Sikorski, Poland’s foreign minister.

    Even the BBC bloke seems unconvinced:

    The journalist quoted about 12 mins in is his wife, Anne Appelbaum. He retweeted her piece, but he seems here to be distancing himself from it.

    She’s American neocon, obviously. Aren’t they all, these wives and husbands. It’s a family affair.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvuWHEU9dVY

    And here’s the chocolate bloke when he was just a humble businessman:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byk_auHxwgs

  89. @Mark: “Peacekeeper” would be “deluded to a infinite amount” given the current scenario!

    With that sort of rhetoric from Obama, there is a suggestion in some quarters that US is upping the ante on Russia in preparation for a military attack at some point (next President?)

    Some suggestion also that Georgia, as well as “the new Ukraine”, may have a role in such a future scenario. Truly horrifying stuff, but should we be surprised about anything after Iraq?

  90. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 4:11 pm

    Pity then that the treaty establishing the Eurasian Economic Union was signed on May 29th, in Astana, the capital of Kazakhstan.

    The Russians want a share of the global cake, and that will be easier to organise if all their own ducks are in an economic line. Blair will only encourage this (as seen in his advisory/friendly bullshitter role wrt. Nazarbayev) And so will the rest of our movers and shakers. It’s all money and one oligarch is very much like another, East or West.

    Assad’s a safe target -everyone shits on Assad, but we need to remember that in the interests of presenting a common enemy we can all be so terrified of that we buy corporate oppression, Blair’s also pissing on the very jihadis who are trying to take Assad down. While his Faith Foundation pushes nicey-nicey religious diversity for the globalised tomorrow. Blair is consistent in only one thing: his pursuit of money.

  91. Before Baghdad 2003 there was the 1991 atrocity at the Al Ameriyah shelter revisited here by Felicity Arbuthnot.

    U.S. State Department Warns No U.S. Citizen Safe “Throughout the World”
    by Felicity Arbuthnot / May 26th, 2014

    ‘One example stays indelibly engraved on my mind, over twenty years of unending US aggression. Mohammed was just ten years old when he went to overnight with his mother, brothers – including a baby brother just weeks old – and sisters during the 1991 attack on Iraq, to Baghdad’s Ameriyah air raid Shelter.

    The Shelter, equipped with bunk beds, showers, generator-driven electricity, television, kitchens, was a haven of normality and safety in a city where the electricity and water system had been deliberately destroyed, being “carpet bombed” daily.

    This temporary sanctuary was deliberately targeted by the US who had obtained the plans, identified the weak points, the ventilation shafts. All but fourteen of the several hundred mothers, children and elderly for whom the Shelter was reserved, were incinerated.

    Mohammed was just ten when he survived the inferno. He rescued an old man “whose flesh came away in my hands” and a baby. His mother and siblings were incinerated. The attack happened on the anniversary of the start of the fire bombing of Dresden in World War 11.

    He was twelve when we met. Quiet, dignified, articulate way beyond his years. His story, as so many victims of US bombs, drones and “surgical strikes” across the globe, would haunt the hardest heart.

    Eventually I asked: “How do you feel about those who did this?” His composure cracked, perspiration broke out on his face, neck, and backs of his hands: “When I grow up, I am going to join the (elite) Republican Guard – and if I die and if I have to wait a thousand years, I will come back and get my revenge.” In the 2003 invasion, he would have been twenty two.

    If he survived the further mass incinerations of “Shock and Awe”, he would have undoubtedly joined the resistance and attacked those from a country who had burned his family and friends alive. If he survived that and perhaps left Iraq, he and countless who had suffered so wickedly would surely harbour vengeance in their hearts for Americans any place, anywhere, for all time. As, of course, Afghan and Libya victims, drone victims from Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan.’

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/05/u-s-state-department-warns-no-u-s-citizen-safe-throughout-the-world/

    For info
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/05/u-s-state-department-warns-no-u-s-citizen-safe-throughout-the-world/

  92. “To its critics, US exceptionalism is nothing but a euphemism for immunity, discrimination and propaganda to excuse and defend war crimes carried out by the United States.”

    German Nazis thought they were immune. They knew what crimes had been committed hence the cyanide capsules.

    Just about to watch the HardTalk Herbie.

    My last two (three?) blogs have been about Willy Wonka. The latest gives links to two of the brands to avoid when you do your weekly shop.

    http://johngossip.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/willy-wonka-and-hidden-bullets.html

  93. There is hardly any mention these days of the part Clinton played in the atrocities enacted on Iraq. Just as culpable as Bush and Blair. In office 1993-2001

    3. Effects on the Iraqi people during sanctions
    3.1 Estimates of deaths due to sanctions
    3.2 Infant and child death rates

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iraq#Effects_on_the_Iraqi_people_during_sanctions

    ~~~
    Saw this when looking up Clinton’s dates.

    Planning the succession maybe??

    White House forced to admit Obama had a clandestine luncheon with Hillary after magazine outs them on Twitter
    •President Barack Obama had former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton over for lunch today
    •The luncheon was not on the president’s schedule. Press only found out about it after People magazine sent a tweet claiming that Clinton was on her way to meet with the president
    •A White House official has confirmed that the president had an ‘informal’ lunch with Clinton
    •The official did not say how long Clinton was at the White House or what the two talked about, raising suspicion
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2643336/Barack-Obama-clandestine-luncheon-Hillary-Clinton.html

  94. May they ALL rot in hell.

    Letter from Chilcot to Heywood.

    I am pleased to record……. etc etc etc

    Complete rot.

    http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/media/55103/2014-05-28_Chilcot_Heywood.pdf

  95. @Mary: Yes, 15th January 1991, I think, another dark day for humanity. Hadn’t even heard of CNN before then. And George Bush Senior had the audacity to talk of a New World Order… I still think it would have been even worse if Maggie was still in No. 10 at that time. What a fool Saddam Hussein was!

  96. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 5:26 pm

    Herbie

    “Anne Appelbaum…..She’s American neocon, obviously.”
    ________________

    Not so obviously, actually, Herbie.

    Or, perhaps, obvious only to those who are unsparing in their efforts to insert themselves as far up Mr Putin’s fundament as possible…..(no names, no pack drill eh, Herbie!)

    BTW, I strongly recommend Anne Applebaum’s “Iron Curtain – the crushing of Eastern Europe 1944-1956” (Allen Lane, London, 2012). A splendid tour d’horizon of what Russian imperialism, concealed behind the mask of communism, is capable of getting up to unless checked.

    And, Herbie, since you obviously have strong (albeit ignorant)views on Poland and Russia, perhaps I could also recommend to you “Imperium” by thre late Ryszard Kapuscinski (Granta Books, London, 1994)in the hope that you may learn something.

    **************************

    “Life has become better, life has become merrier!” (J. Stalin, ca. 1934)

  97. There are 146392 signatures and counting on this 38 Degrees petition. Why not add yours?

    The petition to demand a real recall law – so that voters can sack MPs who don’t do their job properly – is growing fast.

    Already over 130,000 38 Degrees members have signed the petition. The bigger the petition – the more pressure David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband will be under to do the right thing. Can you click the button to add your name?

    SIGN THE PETITION https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/real-recall#petition

    Here’s what some 38 Degrees members who’ve signed the petition have to say about the need for a real recall law:

    Sarah: “Politicians are answerable to their constituents, not their colleagues, therefore it is their constituents who should have the power to sack them.”

    Jeff: “The right to remove an MP or any other elected official is a fundamental right in a democracy.”

    Lynn: “The electorate need to be more involved in this process. It cannot be left to the integrity of politicians. If it could, we wouldn’t need the bill.”

    https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/real-recall#petition

  98. @John Gross

    Currently, Turkish government is not in a position to pursue these arrest warrants at international level. Ankara is too much dependent on United States, European Union, NATO and Saudi money – which are all tied to Tel Aviv.

    Turkish prime minister Erdogan’s foreign policy has isolated the country on the international level and especially among its regional neighbors. His foolish military and diplomatic assault against Syrian government has cost Ankara the close friendship with Iran, Pakistan, Lebanon and Iraq. Erdogan’s support for the former president Dr. Morsi against the military coup lead by Crypto-Jew Gen. el-Sisi has distanced Cairo from Ankara. However, the recent municipal results show that Erdogan’s ruling AKP is still popular among Turkish Muslim majority due to AKP’s national and Islamic roots.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/05/28/turkish-court-issues-warrants-for-4-israeli-generals/

  99. Herbie I found the Poroshenko interview really interesting because in it he implied that he would sign the agreement with the EU. Something must have changed his mind because now, when everybody would expect it was going to happen the deal has been put off indefinitely. It may have something to do with the vast debt that Ukraine has built up for Russian gas, or perhaps he has come to his senses that murdering his own people is not going to be good for the chocolate trade, Who knows? Anyway the deal’s off. Indefinitely if you believe some sources.

    http://online.wsj.com/articles/incoming-ukrainian-president-poroshenko-requests-more-time-before-signing-eu-deal-1401265360?tesla=y&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303633604579589402487266552.html

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