Freedom Cheaper than Iraq War

by craig on May 26, 2014 5:03 pm in Uncategorized

A particularly mendacious lie by Danny Alexander puts the institutional start-up costs of Scottish Independence at £1.5 billion.  That is a cool half billion pounds cheaper than Scotland’s share of the costs of the Iraq and Afghan wars, even on the Westminster government’s blatant under-estimate of the war costs.

So Scotland can afford criminal invasions killing hundreds of thousands to ‘bring freedom’, but cannot afford the smaller cost of its own freedom!!!

The £1.5 billion estimate is mendacious in two ways.  Firstly, it is a simple recycling of a Canadian lie at the time of the Quebec independence referendum, apportioning with no argument 1% of GDP to startup costs.

Secondly, as nearly all the money will be spent in Scotland it is not a loss at all, but actually an increase to GDP, as any but the most nutty neo-con would be forced to acknowledge.  And it would be the precursor of government money spent annually in Scotland rather than England for ever thereafter.

Thankfully Alexander won’t have a job much longer – and if he thinks a penny of Scottish public spending is going in future to support his huge arse and deceitful mouth, he is very wrong.


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  1. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 2:27 pm


    I think you’ve been rumbled, Jonathan:

    “I see we have a worthy replacement for Fedup as blog piss-head in the form of Jives.”

    (from the perspicacious Anon, on the previous thread)

  2. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 2:39 pm

    From the Wit and Wisdom of Jives

    Found this on the previoud thread (yesterday at 23h22), Jives obviously liubering up for a sinister night session….:

    “Sinister HabbyWubbyBubbyTubby,

    No i aint a socialist;Skinner and Benn never interested me.

    I am 106 years old.

    Page 1 of The Sockpuppet Troll manual dictates the need to use deceit abd subterfuge.

    I busted you on your first post here,renember?

    Obviously still rankles with you doesnt it? Your whole fake mission was blown.

    Guess thats why you resort to sinister gang-stalking of certain posters eh?

    Now go and change your string vest will ya?

    You are the Rupert Pupkin of this blog.”

    Men in flapping white coats enter stage left…..

  3. HabbyFloppyPupkin,

    Your little mask is slipping day by day…

    Now go and change yer string vest will ya?

  4. Did Craig’s post assist in movong things along?

    BREAKING NEWS:Chilcot Inquiry says agreement is reached to disclose discussions between Tony Blair and George Bush over Iraq

    ‘Agreement’ on Blair-Bush documents
    Tony Blair with President George W. Bush in 2003 photo
    The Iraq inquiry says it is closer to agreement over publication of communications between Tony Blair and President Bush.

    BREAKING NEWS:Chilcot Inquiry says agreement is reached to disclose discussions between Tony Blair and George Bush over Iraq

    BREAKING NEWS:Chilcot Inquiry says agreement is reached to disclose discussions between Tony Blair and George Bush over Iraq

    Three times for the post and three cheers for Craig!

  5. I see the toddling troll got his places bottom and top of the pages. Totally puerile.

    PS Overuse of emoticons too!


    29 May, 2014 - 2:44 pm

  7. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 2:48 pm


    “I see the toddling troll got his places bottom and top of the pages. Totally puerile.”

    Mille excuses, Marie!

    Next time I shall ask for your permission first as I know it’s your blog.


    La vita è bella, life is good!

  8. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 2:51 pm


    “What connections can be made between these two stories?

    None, I should say.

    Please give my £5 prize for the correct answer to your nearest charity (excluding yourself)


    29 May, 2014 - 2:55 pm

  10. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 2:57 pm

    I dedicate the following limerick to my friend Jives.

    “Whenever a fellow called Rex
    Flashed his very small organ of sex,
    He always got off,
    For the judges would scoff,
    De minimis non curat lex.”

  11. Troll @.1.23pm

    ‘1/. I have already given readers the lowdown in the Californian “Global Research” outfit. Suffice it to say that they are hardly disinterested and that they manage to perform the unlikely feat of making our regular commenter “Ben Gadfly” sound almost sane and balanced.’

    Wrong on several counts. Global Research is based in Canada. .ca at the end of a domain name stands for Canada not California. Duh! The site owner is Professor Michel Chossudovsky, son of a Russian émigré, the career United Nations diplomat and academic Evgeny Chossudovsky (1914–2006). Michel is highly intelligent, widely travelled and extremely well informed. He is also a very nice human being.

    This is the obituary he wrote for his father.

  12. Lovely stuff here, The sweaty BLiar being repeatedly asked about Bilderberg?


    Something rotten in the state of Denmark. The head of the serpent etc.

  13. בית ספר

    29 May, 2014 - 3:15 pm

    Goodness, self-determination of peoples going from strength to strength lately

  14. Oh HabbyPloppyFlubby.

    That limerick is so fiendishly clever!

    And you writing it sitting there in your string vest too!

    Top o’ the class for you Habby,let none doubt it!

  15. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 3:22 pm

    As there are many Scottish readers of this blog – and a fair number of Nationalists among them – I take great pleasure in bringing a few verses of Anthony Powell’s “Caledonia” to their attention.

    When reading, think back to some of the comments about independence on here. All comments welcome if in verse. SKN : this is how proper pastiche is done…


    “Pacing with Bag-Pipe in a bosky Square,
    One morn a Piper rent the vernal air,
    Dispelling by his savage, baleful Strains
    That Freudian Pageantry, which Night-tome gains.
    (He wore a garb deprived of all amenity,
    Save fir vile jest and Smoking-Room obscenity.)
    And heark’ning to the Pibroch’s raucous Note,
    Bursting as if from tortur’d porcine Throat,
    To Reverie did errant Fancy yield,
    Of Pinkie, Solway Moss and Flodden Field,
    And of a Race, whose Thought and Word and Deed
    Have made a new INFERNO north of Tweed,
    Where they can practise in that chilly HELL
    Vices that sicken; Virtues that repel.
    Did they remain among such unthaw’d Latitudes,
    And Scot with Scot alone exchanged his Platitudes,
    Travellers but few would mark their stinted Bonhomie,
    And smile to see each finicking Oeconomy.
    Alack! They ever stream through ENGLAND’S door
    To batten on the Rich , and grind the Poor,
    With furtive Eye and eager, clutching hand
    They pass like Locusts through the Southern Land:
    And line their purses with the yellow Gold,
    Which for each Scotchman, London’s pavements hold,
    And in return, no matter where you find ‘em
    They brag of Scotland, now left safe behind ‘em.

    What are this Race whose pride so rudely burgeons?
    Second-t-rate Engineers and obscure Surgeons,
    Pedant-Philosophers and Fleet Street hacks,
    With ev’ry Quality that Genius lacks:
    Such Mediocrity was ne’er on view,
    Bolster’d by tireless Scottish ballyhoo-
    Nay! In two Qualities they stand supreme:
    Their Self-advertisement and Self-esteem.


  16. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 3:24 pm

    “Wrong on several counts. Global Research is based in Canada. .ca at the end of a domain name stands for Canada not California. Duh! The site owner is Professor Michel Chossudovsky,


    Yes, of course you’re right. My apologies, but it is often diffcult to distinguish between the inmates of the asylum.

  17. Royals sent on PR trip to Scotland.

    Are they ‘in it together’ and/or ‘better together’ perhaps?

  18. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 3:31 pm


    Any thoughts on “Nie” magazine – cited by Global Research – and on its fragrant editor, Mr Jerzy Urban?

    High or low credibility as far as your eagle eye is concerned?

  19. Ba'al Zevul (I think)

    29 May, 2014 - 3:41 pm

    At 1039 0n the 25th, if my lack of Swedish does not betray me, G-CEYL departed Stockholm for Malmo (life’s too short to go looking for umlauts). Where, no doubt coincidentally, Tony Blair popped up again, unreported by the English-language press. –

    An e-beer to anyone who can tell me what he was doing?

    Takk to those Stockholm planespotters, btw.

  20. Ba'al Zevul (I think)

    29 May, 2014 - 3:44 pm

    Sorry, that was May 26, sometime around 1000 hrs. Language problem here.

  21. doug scorgie

    29 May, 2014 - 3:52 pm

    29 May, 2014 – 2:42 pm

    “BREAKING NEWS:Chilcot Inquiry says agreement is reached to disclose discussions between Tony Blair and George Bush over Iraq”

    Don’t cheer too soon Mary:

    “The inquiry has revealed that an agreement has been reached on what type of “gists and quotes” will be released from 25 notes and 130 records of conversations between Blair and Bush. However, the inquiry and government have not yet decided exactly which ones will be published. There is also now a deal on releasing a small number of extracts from the most “critical” minutes of more than 200 cabinet-level discussions.”

    “The Chilcot inquiry had requested the full content of correspondence between Blair and Bush but appears to have watered down its demands and accepted that the gist of the conversations will be “sufficient to explain our conclusions”.”

    We will be none the wiser Mary and the partial release of quotes and “gists” will only lead to conspiracy theories which can then be laughed off as CONSPIRACY THEORIES!!!!!


    29 May, 2014 - 3:59 pm

    What’s Sweden’s extradition treaty with the Hague, Ba’al?

    E-beer for me?

  23. There was a young gadfly called Habby
    Whose views grew increasingly crabby
    When asked: Do your henchmen
    Oppress untermenschen?
    His response was fascisticallly stabby.

  24. Ba'al Zevul (I think)

    29 May, 2014 - 4:12 pm

    ” The main theme was Europe, where an engaged Tony Blair announced a “framework for action” in five points. To meet the future ought Europe” (? Which Europe ought to follow?)

    Google Translate is my friend. Wonder why he’s selling his globalist snake oil in Malmo?

    And who the hell are Malmoborssallskap? It seems to be a local business group. But it’s invited Clinton before now…can’t see Scunthorpe Rotarians doing that.


    29 May, 2014 - 4:26 pm

    It was a paid speaking engagement, but why the secrecy? Bush/Cheney would follow the same MO, amirite?

    More beer please.

  26. Britains got talent, Mike?…;)

    It looks like TB and those accused of using information gained for torture seem to determine the extend of what is released by Chilcot, not him.
    Is the devil in charge of hells heat, or is it Tony?

  27. meant to say from torture

  28. yeah, nevermind — the “gist” of the talks between Bush and Blair. That simply is not good enough.


    29 May, 2014 - 4:37 pm

    “You can live on Soylent alone, Mr. Rhinehart claims, though in practice he said customers would most likely use it to replace just their “staple meals,” by which he meant most of the junk you eat every day to fill yourself up. Mr. Rhinehart argued that Soylent, which costs about $3 per serving, is cheaper, easier to prepare and more nutritious than much of the food that makes up the typical American officer worker’s diet today.”

    I think the brand-name needs some work if it’s gonna sell.

  30. Ha. Yeah, Ben, Soylent does have some unpleasant associations. Surely planet Earth isn’t so overcrowded that we need autophagic assistance.

    I think Blair would eat himself if he was made of chocolate. Perhaps we should all partake in the mystic transubstantiation of god made flesh. Or is he the Golden Calf?


    29 May, 2014 - 4:53 pm

    Mike; Golden hemorrhoids seems an appropriate affliction for Blair.

    “The term “emerods” has been construed variously—boils, “buboes” (the swellings from plague), anal fistulas, and so on, but to me the translation that makes the most sense is “hemorrhoids,” not only because of the similar sound (so that the translators thought that’s what the word meant), but because they’re in the Philistines’ “secret parts.”

    Lacking Preparation H, the Philistines asked their priests what to do to rid themselves of their afflictions. The priests tell them to return the ark to the Israelites, but along with it they have to send a treasure: five golden mice and five golden images of hemorrhoids (1 Samuel 6):”

  32. Baal @ 4.12:

    “Wonder why he’s selling his globalist snake oil in Malmo?”

    Well, we may all wonder, but what really puzzles me is why anybody buys it!

  33. Comments deleted.

    Any feedback?


    Linking to the UK Electoral Commission is now prohibited?


    Censored. Muffled. Gagged.

    These are the tricks of control to keep the debate, pure. Unspoilt.

    Like an unspoilt vote.

  34. doug scorgie

    29 May, 2014 - 5:17 pm

    “Princesses Sahar and Jawaher, daughters of King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, have been denied access to food for more than 60 days and have limited access to water. The two sisters have been held under house arrest in Jeddah for more than 10 years by their father, as they are out of favour.”

    “I have raised the case with the foreign secretary, William Hague, as well as with David Cameron at prime minister’s questions and in correspondence.”

    “…both he and the Foreign Office have subsequently indicated that they are not prepared make representations to the Saudi authorities.”

    This doesn’t surprise me. The same was true under Blair and then Brown and the same would be true under Ed Miliband if he became prime minister.

    Bastards; every one.

  35. Habbabkuk

    Your certificate of sanity seems to derive from an infinite regress of self-diagnosing rabbi shrinks – in psychiatrical terms, that’s the equivalent of taking in each other’s washing, isn’t it?

  36. People who read and contribute to this blog should be very grateful to habbakuk for his higher level of education, superior intelligence and his wonderful ability to correct the misunderstandings that many of us foolishly believe. Without him we would think that Israel’s occupation of Palestine is NOT such a good thing and we wouldn’t know that they care for the Palestinians with such devotion. Those jolly decent settler types even save the Palestinians from the toil of having to harvest their crops.
    Believing that the various governments in the world don’t hold its citizens as the number one priority would be dangerous indeed. Of course, finding out that we are all totally wrong, fooled and misguided hurts a little but in the long run we’ll thank him. I even believed that the current Ukraine problem was started by the legitimately elected officials being removed by (western financed) violent extremist mobs.
    I’ll go and send some food parcels now to those poor souls, the Syrian rebels who are only trying to persuade the population that an extreme version of Islam will be better for them. Some people are never happy.
    His corrections and persistent appeals for compelling evidence to support our crazy notions help focus our minds. His devils advocate mode is particularly impressive.
    Thanks a lot habbabkuk, what would we do without your enlightened contributions?

  37. Doug V disappointing on Chilcot. Perhaps I was correct in the beginning by describing it as a theatrical. And what has it cost so far? > £7m?

  38. Report: Israel suspends soldier after Palestinian teens killed
    Published today 18:28

    A screenshot from video footage showing the killing of two
    Palestinian teenagers during a Nakba Day protest.(MaanImages/DCI)

    JERUSALEM (AFP) — Israel’s army has suspended a non-combat soldier seen firing his weapon during a Nakba Day protest this month in which two unarmed Palestinian teenagers were killed, a newspaper reported Thursday.

    The report was published in Haaretz amid a military police probe into footage from two CCTV cameras that appeared to show the shooting of the two teens was unprovoked, taking place during a lull in the clashes.

    The shooting took place during a day of protests on May 15 as Palestinians marked the “Nakba”, or catastrophe, in which over 700,000 Palestinians were displaced or forced into exile during the creation of Israel.

    Haaretz said the soldier had been spotted on CNN footage released last week, firing “what appeared to be a rubber bullet” at around the same time the first of the two teenagers was shot.

    But it said there was no proof his shot was responsible for killing of Musaab Nuwarah.

    “The IDF has found no evidence proving that this soldier’s bullet caused Nuwarah’s death,” it said.


    But nothing will happen. Nobody will be punished and the BBC will issue an ‘Israel says’ version. Note the one ‘suspended’ was a ‘non combat’ soldier.

  39. I did not know that a wreath was laid by the Pope at the grave of Herzl. Disgusting. I suppose his friend, the Argentinian Rabbi Skorka who accompanied him, helped the Zionists to achieve that manoeuvre.

    May 29, 2014

    Papal Tour a Fizzer – The Fence-Sitting Pope

    When I was a kid we had fun letting off firecrackers. Most had quite an impact – going off with a mighty bang. A few were weak, feeble and fizzled out. We called them ‘fizzers’. The pope’s tour was a fence-sitting fizzer for truth and for Palestinian justice.

    Still, Palestinians were warned in advance by the Vatican that the tour had “no political agenda” it was simply a pilgrimage. A pilgrimage, apart from the usual Christian holy sites, to the grave of Theodor Herzl where, flanked by two war criminals, Netanyahu and Peres, Francis, the Vicar of Christ, laid a giant wreath in honour of the mastermind of Zionism that unleashed the atrocities of the Nakba committed by Jewish terrorist militia; the massacres, rapes, looting, demolition of 500 Palestinian villages and the forced deportations and dispossession of 750,000 indigenous Palestinians from their beloved land…a paltry three years after the holocaust.

    What a feather in the Zionist cap! A Catholic pope honouring Herzl the Zionist atheist! Francis’ rabbi friend, Abraham Skorka was spot on when he noted that it ‘could be understood as a nod to Zionism’. It was much more than a nod. For the gleeful Netanyahu gang, it was an imprimatur on the expansionism of Greater Israel negating Francis’ two-state solution.


  40. These villagers appear to be amazingly patient. How about the local authority only recording a crash if there is injury, ie one out of the 24 that have occurred so far this year.

    Nether Haugh: Death fears over B6089 crash road

    Their MP, Sarah Champion Lab Rotherham, is on the HoC Transport Committee!!

  41. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    29 May, 2014 - 7:10 pm


    “Thanks a lot habbabkuk, what would we do without your enlightened contributions?”

    And my thanks to you as well, Andy. But I’m not entirely sure that I should take your thanks seriously (any more than you should take mine seriously) since I believe I recognise your moniker and seem to remember that I’ve had occasion to set you right on a couple of matters in the past. I can’t remember the exact comments of yours which I had to correct but I do hope I didn’t have to be too brutal when demolishing you?


    Habbabkuk cleans up the vilest sewers. Use liberally.

  42. More about the hypocrisy at the Mansion House.

    Try to Contain Your Laughter: Prince Charles and Lady de Rothschild Team Up to Talk About ‘Inclusive Capitalism’

    Lady de Rothschild Speaks on Bloomberg News About the Inclusive Capitalism Conference

    Now that the worldwide Occupy Wall Street protest movement has been beaten, pepper-sprayed, mass-arrested and hog-tied into submission; now that assorted financial luminaries have exhorted corporate media to stop giving air time to people calling bankers evil; it’s now safe for the 1 percent to take over the debate – or so the thinking goes in London.

    Prince Charles, who lives in four mansions in England, Scotland and Wales, delivered the opening speech yesterday for a conference on “Inclusive Capitalism” hosted by Lady de Rothschild, wife of multi-billionaire Sir Evelyn Robert de Rothschild, in the heart of financial skulduggery, the City of London, Wall Street’s alter ego.

    Rounding out the day’s speakers were former President Bill Clinton, who repealed the depression era investor protection legislation known as the Glass-Steagall Act which deregulated Wall Street and is widely blamed for the 2008 financial collapse and for ushering in the greatest wealth inequality in America since the Gilded Age; and former Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers who helped Clinton muscle through the deregulatory legislation. (You can see the full-day agenda here.)

    The lurking undertone of the conference was not so much a noblesse oblige gesture to spread the wealth as it was an effort to address the growing anxiety among the well-heeled that if they don’t step up their PR game, government and/or a populist revolution is going to take the reins – and possibly their heads.

    Lady de Rothschild (Lynn Forester) summed up the anxiety the day before in an interview with Bloomberg News, saying it’s “really dangerous when business is viewed as one of society’s problems.” She noted further that 61 percent of Britons say they will elect the party “that is toughest on big business.”

    The web site of the Inclusive Capitalism Initiative which sponsored the conference adds this note to explain its motivations: “To avoid heavy-handed government interference in the banking sector, a revolution in management, supervision and ethics is required.”


  43. The sick making agenda. Look at the participants in the panels.

    They followed with some nice cocktails and then dinner. We are not told about the menu.

    Q Do they have another conference later on in the year entitled ‘Exclusive Capitalism’?


    29 May, 2014 - 8:16 pm

    Yes, let’s put all the cards on the table…

    “Small wonder that Putin and his associates were prospecting for powerful new friends ten years ago – first and foremost, China. And, the West kept providing the Kremlin with new incentives as NATO recruiters remained aggressive. NATO heads of state, meeting in Bucharest in April 2008, declared: “NATO welcomes Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO. We agreed today that these countries will become members of NATO.”

    That led to some very foolish adventurism on the part of former Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, who had been listening to the wrong people in Washington and thought he could play tough with the rebellious regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, including attacks on Russian peacekeeping troops. Russian forces gave the Georgians what Moscow normally calls a “resolute rebuff.”

    The 2008 declaration of NATO’s intent is still on the books, however. And recent events in Ukraine, as a violent putsch overthrew elected President Yanukovych and installed a pro-Western regime in Kiev, became the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back.

    During an interview with CNBC on May 23, 2014, President Putin bemoaned the still-pending NATO expansion in the context of Ukraine: “Coup d’état takes place, they refuse to talk to us. So we think the next step Ukraine is going to take, it’s going to become a NATO member. They’ve refused to engage in any dialogue. We’re saying military, NATO military infrastructure is approaching our borders; they say not to worry, it has nothing to do with you. But tomorrow Ukraine might become a NATO member, and the day after tomorrow missile defense units of NATO could be deployed in this country.”

    Putin raised the issue again on May 24, accusing the West of ignoring Russia’s interests – in particular, by leaving open the possibility that Ukraine could one day join NATO. “Where is the guarantee that, after the forceful change of power, Ukraine will not tomorrow end up in NATO?” Putin wanted to know.”

  45. More rot from the LDs.

    Lord Rennard Says Sorry To ‘Harassment’ Women
    The ex-Lib Dem peer goes against his earlier refusal to apologise by saying he regrets “harm and embarrassment” to four women.

    A third hand apology which does not sound sincere gives no satisfaction under the law to the four women. They should sue him or the partei for damages.


    29 May, 2014 - 9:32 pm

    The Reluctant POTUS; at least we have that going for us.

    “The same goes for venturing anew into the Syrian swamp. Obama is now moving to provide moderate rebels in Syria with overt training from U.S. special operation forces in addition to the covert aid presently fed by the CIA. That move will make sense only if the White House formulates a viable strategy for Syria. Right now, its strategy of upending President Bashar Assad makes no sense. If he’s not winning, he’s certainly not losing. And no amount of projected aid to the moderate rebels will change that unfortunate but unarguable fact.

    Thus, Obama either will have to change his means and provide massive aid to these rebels, which he will not do, or he will have to change his goal of eliminating Assad. This may well surprise experts, but senior administration officials tell me that Obama has been modifying his objective and is now prepared to work with Assad, to some degree, along with the moderate rebels, against what the White House finally has come to see as the real and major threat—the jihadists. These senior officials further say that they expect support in this new policy from previous opponents, i.e. from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states. Let us hope that this is true.


    29 May, 2014 - 10:08 pm

    “Remarkably, Snowden had made claims about going through channels prior to this exclusive interview. The NSA had denied that any paper trail showing communications existed.”

  48. I’m surprised there have been no responses to Ben/anyone regarding Obama’s “We’ve won, world, get over it… now just do as you are told and we won’t get angry” speech?

    1251 responses have been logged to this Guardian article:

  49. Habbabkuk

    You know those tasty bits of skin on take-away chicken wings you don’t really want to eat? You are the feathers from them.

  50. Gist of the thing.

    Blair to Bush: ” You know those bits of hair in my stools, don’t worry about them. I only chew my tail because I’m bored filling in for the, you know, UK Conservatives, until another of your poodles can get them back in.”

    Bush to Blair: ” Listen Benn, oil is in Iraq. It’s our oil. Get up on your pulpit in the mother of parliaments and explain it to them. Understand? “

  51. Chilcott caved. I’m sad, but not surprised. Clearly the pressure from the US was serious indeed, one wonders quite how serious. It’s all rather depressing really. And the fact that the Tories put a spanner in the works is weird indeed, and makes me go all conspiratorial; those letters must have been damning indeed. We’ll find out in 100 years, after we are all dead, of course.

  52. The Bear and the Bees

    Once upon a time, a bear was stung by a bee. This made him so angry, he ran into the bee-garden and, without stopping to think, kicked over all the beehives in furious revenge. This made all the bees very angry as well, and they flew at him, and stung him in a thousand places and he wished he had never gone near them.

    It is silly to pay back someone for one injury, if by doing so you make hundreds of enemies.

  53. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 8:24 am

    It was a paid speaking engagement, but why the secrecy? Bush/Cheney would follow the same MO, amirite?

    More beer please.

    I am not going to feed your beer habit, Ben, until you give up Bud and declare a preference for Greene King IPA. I am trying to support British industry.

    But seriously, the secrecy question highlights the deeply contradictory nature of the man. When he’s on the self-promotion trail, he’s all over the media. Where money is concerned, he hides his activities very successfully. And where his mission to the Israelis/proposed exploitation of the Palestinians is concerned, he’s pretty well invisible unless Ha’aretz catches him schmoozing Netanyahu. Aside, I’d be interested to know what the Quartet ‘representative’ was doing solving the Middle East with a bunch of Swedes at a formal dinner in the US Embassy in Stockholm. The US may be a member of the Quartet, but Sweden only qualifies as a very non-representative part of Europe. Neutral country? Maybe, but the US embassy isn’t neutral ground at all.

  54. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 8:27 am

    Mary (re the Conference on inclusive capitalism):

    “The sick making agenda. Look at the participants in the panels.

    I’ve looked at the agenda and the items seem to be eminently pertinent and sensible ones, so why is it making you “sick”?

    As for the participants, they seem to be high-level company executives in the main (people who run the capitalist model on a daily basis) Is there anything surprising or reprehensible about that?

    PS – you also complain that they haven’t revealed what was for lunch. Is what they had for lunch remevant to anything in particular?

    Another pointless post, I’m afraid, Mary.

  55. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 8:58 am

    Anyway, he got back yesterday morning, so presumably he’ll be getting instructions from Cherie before being bland on all media re. Chilcot. Q. Why do the media even bother to publish his denial of blocking the Bush-Blair correspondence? He’s a proven liar, and his openness schtick must have worn thin by now,ffs.

    Of course he didn’t block it. Cameron blocked it, after a casually dropped hint during one of his many friendly discussions with Blair. Blair knows where the bodies are buried,Cameron knows what’s good for him, and that’s how things get done round here.

  56. Major, ref Chilcot, said this morning that Cameron’s government could not intervene with Heywood and that it will now fester. Dear Grey Man. Heywood was there in Blair’s time at the critical point as he is there for Cameron today. And as for ‘festering’ it has already festered and the laudable pus will shower over all of them.

    Heywood. now 53, has been around since Lamont’s time. PPS to Blair, then Chief of Staff to Brown, then Permanent Secretary and afterwards Cabinet Secretary to Cameron. Cameron was also around in Lamont’s time. All the gangsters are known to each other and Heywood knows all their secrets apart from those during the period 2003-8 when he went off to make money.

    It is most pertinent that he resigned in 2003.

    ‘Heywood joined HM Treasury in 1992 and became the Principal Private Secretary to Chancellor Norman Lamont at the age of 30, having to help mitigate the fallout from Black Wednesday after less than a month in the job.[5] Heywood remained in this role throughout the 1990s under Chancellors Kenneth Clarke and Gordon Brown before being promoted to be the Principal Private Secretary to Prime Minister Tony Blair in 1999. He stayed in this position until 2003, when he left the civil service in the wake of the Hutton Inquiry where it emerged that Heywood claimed to have never minuted meetings in the Prime Ministerial offices about Dr David Kelly, a job he was required to do. He emerged to become the Managing Director of the UK Investment Banking Division at Morgan Stanley where he became embroiled in the Southern Cross Healthcare scandal that almost saw 30,000 elderly people being made homeless.[6] Upon Gordon Brown becoming Prime Minister in 2007, Heywood returned to government as Head of Domestic Policy and Strategy at the Cabinet Office. Political commentator Peter Oborne, in the wake of this appointment described Heywood as

    “a perfect manifestation of everything that has gone so very wrong with the British civil service over the past 15 years.”[7]

    He would later go on to resume his old job of Principal Private Secretary, as well as being appointed the Downing Street Chief of Staff after the resignation of Stephen Carter.[8] In 2010, after David Cameron became Prime Minister, Heywood was replaced as Chief of Staff by Edward Llewellyn and as Principal Private Secretary by James Bowler. Heywood returned to the civil service and was subsequently appointed the first Downing Street Permanent Secretary, a role created with the purpose of liaising between the Cabinet Secretary and the Chief of Staff within the Cabinet Office.’

    What a stench!

    PS Cameron was Lamont’s bag carrier at the time of Black Wednesday.
    ‘And who was working with Norman Lamont on Black Wednesday. Young David Cameron!
    You can be sure that this photo will be reproduced a few times as we get closer to the next General Election. Although Cameron was really just a bag carrier rather than a player, he is indelibly associated with Lamont’s failure.’

  57. The troll above displays further lack of comprehension and even inability to read. It was their DINNER I was talking about, not lunch.

    ‘Central to the proceedings was an undercurrent of elite fear that the increasing disenfranchisement of the vast majority of the planetary population under decades of capitalist business-as-usual could well be its own undoing.

    The Conference on Inclusive Capitalism is the brainchild of the Henry Jackson Society (HJS), a little-known but influential British think tank with distinctly neoconservative and xenophobic leanings. In May 2012, HJS executive director Alan Mendoza explained the thinking behind the project:

    “… we felt that such was public disgust with the system, there was a very real danger that politicians could seek to remedy the situation by legislating capitalism out of business.”

    He claimed that HJS research showed that “the only real solutions that can be put forward to restore trust in the system, and which actually stand a chance of bringing economic prosperity, are being led by the private, rather than the public, sector.”’
    (Nafeez Ahmed: The Guardian)

    Henry Jackson Society. Enough said.

  58. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 9:31 am

    Meanwhile, from the nethermost pit, emerges…

    As the article makes slightly less obscure, Campbell/Blair remain an item.

    And –

    Chris Doyle, director of the Council for Arab-British Understanding, said at the time of Mr Blair’s remarks: ‘Dangerously, Blair and others are turning a blind eye to the suppression of human rights, the widespread arrests, the crackdown on freedom of media and the absence of rule of law.’

    Well, yes, that’s what you’ve gotta do, y’know, and you have to have, y’know, some instability and stuff so your lovely big hedge funds can move in and buy the place up. Cherie says you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs (I really wouldn’t know, I let the help do all that) but it works for Kazakhstan, doesn’t it? Used notes, please. Thank you.

  59. Ot I am told

    Our local land fill recycles the plastic bottles carefully collected in wheels bins.

    The bottles are collected, weighed, then put in sheds and steamed with megawatts partially decomposed then put into the landfill.
    Of which leaches into the ground.
    All waste decomposes and produces methane/ co2 and toxic chemicals.

    Incinerated at high temp, no toxic chemicals just co2.

    The Swedish are the most advanced in this technology! Hopefully the suits at Bilderberg can discuss the intricacies of toxifying the planet.

    Growth. “Nevermind”

  60. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 10:17 am


    As you correctly mention, landfill produces methane. If your local landfill were run as a sealed gas recovery unit, the methane could be used to run a small power station – and at many UK sites has done successfully for over a decade. And there would be no leachate, as geopolymer and clay barriers contain the toxic runoff. As much household waste consists of waste food and paper, at least some of the methane production is sustainable. As indeed is much of the CO2, which is probably not the case with the extra energy required to ensure that incinerator waste not only burns, but burns at a sufficiently high temperature.

    Also, incineration isn’t quite as straightforward as setting fire to the rubbish. This Chinese paper outlines why: take-home message, incinerators must be strongly monitored to ensure that the complex (and energy-requiring) cleanup of the exhaust gas stream remains effective. And that does not mean ‘monitored by the operator alone’. Dioxins are nasty.

  61. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 10:21 am

    Personally, I’m not sure why plastics aren’t routinely separated from the waste stream at the outset, and pyrolised to give a mixed-hydrocarbon oil which can then be fractionated for chemical feedstocks. Wouldn’t need much, if any, more energy than steaming them.

  62. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 10:22 am

  63. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 11:23 am

    John Major exhibits some understanding:

    Speaking on Radio 4’s Today programme, Sir John said it was a “pity” for papers to be withheld.

    He added: “Firstly, they will leave suspicions unresolved and those suspicions will fester and maybe worsen.

    “Secondly, in many ways I think withholding them is going to be very embarrassing for Tony Blair, not least of course because he brought the Freedom of Information Act into law when he was in government*.”

    Sir John said there were “strict rules” that prevented the current Government from intervening and insisted it was down to Labour or Mr Blair to approach the Cabinet Office, which handled the negotiations.

    “Mr Blair could, the previous Labour government could, and maybe in their own interests they should think about that because otherwise, as I say, this will fester and I don’t think anybody wishes to see that,” he added.

    And Tony agrees…errrmmm…theoretically:

    “It is certainly not me who is holding it up,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. “The sooner it is published the better, from my perspective, as it allows me to make the arguments.” , he lied.

    * Blair has since expressed the wish that he hadn’t, lol.

  64. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 11:39 am

    Andrew Gilligan also has a score to settle with Blair, after he (Gilligan) was fired from the BBC for his 2003 broadcast correctly alleging that the Iraq WMD claim had been ‘sexed-up’.

    Here’s Gilligan (lately Boris’s cycle commissioner, but we can forgive him for that) reporting a Chilcot development which the MSM largely missed:

    On January 13, 2010, the day after one star witness, Mr Blair’s spin man, Alastair Campbell, appeared before Chilcot, the inquiry heard from the Cabinet Secretary at the time of the invasion, Andrew Turnbull. Lord Turnbull gave evidence again, as did his predecessor, Lord Wilson, on January 25 2011, a few days after Mr Blair had made his second appearance.

    Both times, the TV circus for Mr Campbell and Mr Blair had folded its tents and the ex-mandarins’ sessions were barely covered in the Press.

    But they were devastating. Lord Turnbull said that he and the Cabinet had essentially been deceived, “brought into the story … a long way behind” what had already been agreed by what he described as Mr Blair’s “entourage”. The Cabinet never saw any papers at all, he said. Lord Wilson, who left six months before the war, testified that at his final meeting with the Prime Minister he had told Mr Blair that he had a worrying “gleam in his eye” over military action.

    Lord Turnbull added that had Lord Wilson known the full picture – that a note had already been sent to President George W Bush promising, in his words, that “you can count on us whatever”, Lord Wilson “would not have described it [just] as a gleam”.

    And that’s the then Cabinet Secretary; by the look of it he would have no objection to full publication. It would support the evidence he gave.. Strange that the current CS is so pusillanimous on the subject, no?

  65. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 12:04 pm


    “The troll above displays further lack of comprehension and even inability to read. It was their DINNER I was talking about, not lunch.”

    I accept the bitch’s* correction and therefore rephrase my question as follows:

    “you also complain that they haven’t revealed what was for dinner. Is what they had for dinner relevant to anything in particular?”.

    Answer now awaited, thanks

    * as you see fit to refer to me as the “troll”, I’m sure you won’t mind if I refer to you as the “bitch”? That’s fair enough, isn’t it : to you I present the characteristics of a troll, whilst to me you present the characteristics of a bitch.

  66. Ray McGovern, with a useful cautionary backgrounder on the current geo-political tectonic shift:

    “The post-coup election of a pro-Western politician as president of Ukraine – and the escalating slaughter of lightly armed anti-coup rebels in the east – have created a celebratory mood in Official Washington, but the victory dance may be premature, says ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern.”

  67. All this talk of Soylent Green. Did they ever find Saddam Hussein’s Sausage-Making Machine?

    Was Tubby Isaacs the noob troll that muscled in on habbaduk’s (remember him) patch and got told off in no uncertain terms that this place was already well-covered, OnYerBike!

  68. Mary aka Habbabkuk's Bitch

    30 May, 2014 - 12:53 pm

    Nice types. If it’s not the IDF with tear gas, it’s Orthodox Israelis with stinkbombs. Krazies and nasty with it.

    Orthodox men hurl stinkbombs at women praying at Jerusalem’s Western Wall

    Religious tensions in Israeli society turned Judaism’s holiest site into “a battlefield” on Friday, police said, as ultra-orthodox men hurled missiles and insults at women worshippers exercising their right to pray in a manner previously restricted to men.

  69. Mary aka Habbabkuk's Bitch

    30 May, 2014 - 12:59 pm

    Ms Power aka Mrs Sunstein is so greedy for sanctions. Targeted ones this time for South Sudan. Now where’s that oil Ms Power?

    ‘U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power has urged the Security Council to consider imposing targeted sanctions on South Sudan.’

    U.N. peacekeepers to focus on protecting South Sudan civilians

  70. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 1:00 pm

    I have reasons for believing Tubby Isaacs is/was in fact Fred.

  71. Mary aka Habbabkuk's Bitch

    30 May, 2014 - 1:25 pm

    A new low for Question Time. They had a footballer on the panel who insulted a UKIP MEP in a sexist remark as she saw it. Spat blew up. Piers Morgan et al.

    I see Willetts there in the video and Margaret Curran MP. Who?

    All broadcast from the new Terminal 2, terminal being the operative word.

    A review from the Torygraph

  72. “Subvert and overthrow” replaces “shock and awe”. Here’s the why and how. Ukraine (Neo-con War Number 6) was $5 billion well spent.

  73. Missed this. Crispin Black has reported that Polish reservists, including those currently living in Britain, have been called up for “exercises”:

    Apparently the Poles are feeling vulnerable.

    Should teach them not to blindly follow US foreign policy and tend more to their own existential interest, a lesson Poles seem never to have learnt despite being taught it time and time again.

    Difficult to see them learning it this time either, since their foreign policy is fronted by here today gone tomorrow, British educated Bullingdon boy, Radosław Sikorski.

  74. Challenging “All Forms of Injustice”? Who is the “Real Pope” Francis I?
    By Prof Michel Chossudovsky and James Corbett

    Global Research, May 29, 2014

    Pope Francis I has been portrayed in chorus by the Western media as a champion of “Liberation Theology” committed to global poverty alleviation.

    Pope Francis has urged world leaders to challenge “all forms of injustice” and resist the “economy of exclusion… the throwaway culture, … and the “culture of death,” [which] … sadly risk becoming passively accepted.”

    Who is the Real Pope Francis I

    Jorge Mario Bergoglio (Pope Francis I) was one of the main supporters –within the Catholic hierarchy– of Argentina’s military dictatorship which came to power in a CIA supported coup in 1976.

    Jorge Mario Bergoglio not only supported the dictatorship, he also played a direct and complicit role in the “Dirty War” (la guerra sucia”) in liaison with the military Junta headed by General Jorge Videla, leading to the arrest, imprisonment, torture and disappearance of progressive Catholic priests and laymen who were opposed to Argentina’s military rule.

    Video 20 mins

  75. Poland was also complicit in extraordinary rendition.

    ‘In addition, the European Court of Human Rights recently agreed to consider a second case against Poland over allegations from another former CIA prisoner, Zayn al-Abidin Muhammad Husayn (known as Abu Zubaydah), who was tortured while held in a secret CIA-run prison in Poland. While these measures are an important step in ensuring accountability for U.S. actions on the global stage, they do not absolve the U.S. from its own responsibility under international law to hold those who were responsible for CIA abuses accountable, and release information about the unlawful activities carried out as part of the extraordinary rendition program.’

    and so on with other instances.

  76. In the first 48 hours of the assault on Baghdad by the ‘coalition of the willing’ this ‘dodgy dossier’ illegal war murdered 357 children including 66 babies, burnt alive while waiting for their breakfast.

    Doctors for Iraq report 2004 emailed to children of Iraq Association –

  77. ” Orthodox men hurl stinkbombs at women praying at Jerusalem’s Western Wall ”

    Well at least it was only stinkbombs.

    You find morons in all religions; and indeed some with no religion at all.

  78. ” Apparently the Poles are feeling vulnerable. ”

    Well after having been invaded by the Nazis and the Soviet Union and suffering 45 years of oppression by the latter it’s hardly surprising.

  79. @Mark: And we all watched it happen on prime time television, but with a peculiar mix of colour that confused the easily confused about what was really happening.

    @Mary: Poland (or their government) was almost as keen as TB to be a big member of “coalition of the willing”, and they led part of the laughingly called “Operation Iraqi Freedom”.

  80. We did ‘Peacewisher’ -distant shots in ‘Pathéchrome’ of cruise missiles exploding to be followed later by cluster bombs. Let us remind ourselves who were the ‘coalition of the willing’ that neglected the UN Security Council and pooh-poohed the correct meaning of resolutions passed on Iraq.

    Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan.

  81. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 2:49 pm

    From under a stone oozed ‘Lord’ Mandelson, heading up the bottom of some Russian oligarchs:

    This is the Russian equivalent of Davos. Mandelson is a director of Sistema, a Russian defence conglomerate 60% owned by Vladimir Yevtushenkov ($9Bn). Attendance at the event was being discouraged by the US and UK governments, but pliable Peter wasn’t discouraged…

    Bit like Prescott Bush and AG Farben*, isn’t it?

    *Look it up.

  82. mark golding 30 May, 2014 – 1:50 pm

    Not to mention all the deaths since from birth defects and cancer in Fallujah. The United States has no shame. UK not much. I have been researching for an article on the arrest and detainment of Moazzam Begg and came across some very disturbing episodes, not least this case of Dr. Aafia Siddiqui.

    So much ill has come from the so-called “war-on-terror” I hardly recognise my country anymore.

  83. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 3:09 pm

    Mandelson’s advice to BP on the Southern Corridor gas pipeline project (Caspian to Turkey) –
    -must have been a nice little earner for Global Counsel, his Blair-alike bullshit outlet. But the project seems to be hitting problems. Or should that be and the project’s hitting problems?

    Writing for the ultra-socialist Spectator, Mandelson recently announced his plans to rent a farm in Wiltshire and spend his declining years shearing cows and milking sheep. Good idea!

  84. @Mark: I notice you left Ukraine off that 2003 list… surely a typo!

    At the time, I couldn’t understand why a country allied to Russia would side with US on this one. Shape of things to come…? following year they had the “orange revolution”.

  85. But, remember that Blair recently came out against the current agression towards Russia. He favours more concentration on Syria.

    Many interests in Kazakhstan.

    Pity then that the treaty establishing the Eurasian Economic Union was signed on May 29th, in Astana, the capital of Kazakhstan.

    Remember too that NATO hasn’t been that forthcoming in beefing up Poland’s defenses, since they joined in 1999, and even up to the present day they’re not that interested.

    The US cares little about even the interests of the stronger EU members in their plans for world domination, nevermind here today gone tomorrow Poland.

    At least the Germans, French and Italians are keeping their options open, leaving a very vulnerable Poland to play hardball with the mighty beast on their border.

    Feckin newbies!

  86. Correct Peacekeeper-an oversight-Interestingly with increasing domestic pressure Ukraine withdrew in Dec. 2004 while Georgia remained until August 2008.

    Coalition of the ‘Bribed and Bullied’

    “A Coalition of the Willing”: an analysis of the commitment and withdrawal of Ukrainian and Georgian armed forces.

  87. ‘No shame’ John…

    n the speech by Barack Obama on Wednesday May 28, the US President affirmed his belief in a foreign policy influenced by “US exceptionalism”.

    To its critics, US exceptionalism is nothing but a euphemism for immunity, discrimination and propaganda to excuse and defend war crimes carried out by the United States. In view of the US’s exposure as a dangerous rogue state by an increasing army of whistleblowers, something like US exceptionalism is Obama’s only excuse for otherwise starkly hypocritical international relations.

  88. Some interesting stuff from Bullingdon boy, Radoslaw Sikorski, Poland’s foreign minister.

    Even the BBC bloke seems unconvinced:

    The journalist quoted about 12 mins in is his wife, Anne Appelbaum. He retweeted her piece, but he seems here to be distancing himself from it.

    She’s American neocon, obviously. Aren’t they all, these wives and husbands. It’s a family affair.

    And here’s the chocolate bloke when he was just a humble businessman:

  89. @Mark: “Peacekeeper” would be “deluded to a infinite amount” given the current scenario!

    With that sort of rhetoric from Obama, there is a suggestion in some quarters that US is upping the ante on Russia in preparation for a military attack at some point (next President?)

    Some suggestion also that Georgia, as well as “the new Ukraine”, may have a role in such a future scenario. Truly horrifying stuff, but should we be surprised about anything after Iraq?

  90. Ba'al Zevul (You've Had Too Much To Think)

    30 May, 2014 - 4:11 pm

    Pity then that the treaty establishing the Eurasian Economic Union was signed on May 29th, in Astana, the capital of Kazakhstan.

    The Russians want a share of the global cake, and that will be easier to organise if all their own ducks are in an economic line. Blair will only encourage this (as seen in his advisory/friendly bullshitter role wrt. Nazarbayev) And so will the rest of our movers and shakers. It’s all money and one oligarch is very much like another, East or West.

    Assad’s a safe target -everyone shits on Assad, but we need to remember that in the interests of presenting a common enemy we can all be so terrified of that we buy corporate oppression, Blair’s also pissing on the very jihadis who are trying to take Assad down. While his Faith Foundation pushes nicey-nicey religious diversity for the globalised tomorrow. Blair is consistent in only one thing: his pursuit of money.

  91. Before Baghdad 2003 there was the 1991 atrocity at the Al Ameriyah shelter revisited here by Felicity Arbuthnot.

    U.S. State Department Warns No U.S. Citizen Safe “Throughout the World”
    by Felicity Arbuthnot / May 26th, 2014

    ‘One example stays indelibly engraved on my mind, over twenty years of unending US aggression. Mohammed was just ten years old when he went to overnight with his mother, brothers – including a baby brother just weeks old – and sisters during the 1991 attack on Iraq, to Baghdad’s Ameriyah air raid Shelter.

    The Shelter, equipped with bunk beds, showers, generator-driven electricity, television, kitchens, was a haven of normality and safety in a city where the electricity and water system had been deliberately destroyed, being “carpet bombed” daily.

    This temporary sanctuary was deliberately targeted by the US who had obtained the plans, identified the weak points, the ventilation shafts. All but fourteen of the several hundred mothers, children and elderly for whom the Shelter was reserved, were incinerated.

    Mohammed was just ten when he survived the inferno. He rescued an old man “whose flesh came away in my hands” and a baby. His mother and siblings were incinerated. The attack happened on the anniversary of the start of the fire bombing of Dresden in World War 11.

    He was twelve when we met. Quiet, dignified, articulate way beyond his years. His story, as so many victims of US bombs, drones and “surgical strikes” across the globe, would haunt the hardest heart.

    Eventually I asked: “How do you feel about those who did this?” His composure cracked, perspiration broke out on his face, neck, and backs of his hands: “When I grow up, I am going to join the (elite) Republican Guard – and if I die and if I have to wait a thousand years, I will come back and get my revenge.” In the 2003 invasion, he would have been twenty two.

    If he survived the further mass incinerations of “Shock and Awe”, he would have undoubtedly joined the resistance and attacked those from a country who had burned his family and friends alive. If he survived that and perhaps left Iraq, he and countless who had suffered so wickedly would surely harbour vengeance in their hearts for Americans any place, anywhere, for all time. As, of course, Afghan and Libya victims, drone victims from Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan.’

    For info

  92. “To its critics, US exceptionalism is nothing but a euphemism for immunity, discrimination and propaganda to excuse and defend war crimes carried out by the United States.”

    German Nazis thought they were immune. They knew what crimes had been committed hence the cyanide capsules.

    Just about to watch the HardTalk Herbie.

    My last two (three?) blogs have been about Willy Wonka. The latest gives links to two of the brands to avoid when you do your weekly shop.

  93. There is hardly any mention these days of the part Clinton played in the atrocities enacted on Iraq. Just as culpable as Bush and Blair. In office 1993-2001

    3. Effects on the Iraqi people during sanctions
    3.1 Estimates of deaths due to sanctions
    3.2 Infant and child death rates

    Saw this when looking up Clinton’s dates.

    Planning the succession maybe??

    White House forced to admit Obama had a clandestine luncheon with Hillary after magazine outs them on Twitter
    •President Barack Obama had former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton over for lunch today
    •The luncheon was not on the president’s schedule. Press only found out about it after People magazine sent a tweet claiming that Clinton was on her way to meet with the president
    •A White House official has confirmed that the president had an ‘informal’ lunch with Clinton
    •The official did not say how long Clinton was at the White House or what the two talked about, raising suspicion

  94. May they ALL rot in hell.

    Letter from Chilcot to Heywood.

    I am pleased to record……. etc etc etc

    Complete rot.

  95. @Mary: Yes, 15th January 1991, I think, another dark day for humanity. Hadn’t even heard of CNN before then. And George Bush Senior had the audacity to talk of a New World Order… I still think it would have been even worse if Maggie was still in No. 10 at that time. What a fool Saddam Hussein was!

  96. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 5:26 pm


    “Anne Appelbaum…..She’s American neocon, obviously.”

    Not so obviously, actually, Herbie.

    Or, perhaps, obvious only to those who are unsparing in their efforts to insert themselves as far up Mr Putin’s fundament as possible…..(no names, no pack drill eh, Herbie!)

    BTW, I strongly recommend Anne Applebaum’s “Iron Curtain – the crushing of Eastern Europe 1944-1956″ (Allen Lane, London, 2012). A splendid tour d’horizon of what Russian imperialism, concealed behind the mask of communism, is capable of getting up to unless checked.

    And, Herbie, since you obviously have strong (albeit ignorant)views on Poland and Russia, perhaps I could also recommend to you “Imperium” by thre late Ryszard Kapuscinski (Granta Books, London, 1994)in the hope that you may learn something.


    “Life has become better, life has become merrier!” (J. Stalin, ca. 1934)

  97. There are 146392 signatures and counting on this 38 Degrees petition. Why not add yours?

    The petition to demand a real recall law – so that voters can sack MPs who don’t do their job properly – is growing fast.

    Already over 130,000 38 Degrees members have signed the petition. The bigger the petition – the more pressure David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband will be under to do the right thing. Can you click the button to add your name?


    Here’s what some 38 Degrees members who’ve signed the petition have to say about the need for a real recall law:

    Sarah: “Politicians are answerable to their constituents, not their colleagues, therefore it is their constituents who should have the power to sack them.”

    Jeff: “The right to remove an MP or any other elected official is a fundamental right in a democracy.”

    Lynn: “The electorate need to be more involved in this process. It cannot be left to the integrity of politicians. If it could, we wouldn’t need the bill.”

  98. @John Gross

    Currently, Turkish government is not in a position to pursue these arrest warrants at international level. Ankara is too much dependent on United States, European Union, NATO and Saudi money – which are all tied to Tel Aviv.

    Turkish prime minister Erdogan’s foreign policy has isolated the country on the international level and especially among its regional neighbors. His foolish military and diplomatic assault against Syrian government has cost Ankara the close friendship with Iran, Pakistan, Lebanon and Iraq. Erdogan’s support for the former president Dr. Morsi against the military coup lead by Crypto-Jew Gen. el-Sisi has distanced Cairo from Ankara. However, the recent municipal results show that Erdogan’s ruling AKP is still popular among Turkish Muslim majority due to AKP’s national and Islamic roots.

  99. Herbie I found the Poroshenko interview really interesting because in it he implied that he would sign the agreement with the EU. Something must have changed his mind because now, when everybody would expect it was going to happen the deal has been put off indefinitely. It may have something to do with the vast debt that Ukraine has built up for Russian gas, or perhaps he has come to his senses that murdering his own people is not going to be good for the chocolate trade, Who knows? Anyway the deal’s off. Indefinitely if you believe some sources.

  100. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 5:30 pm

    Mr Goss

    “German Nazis thought they were immune. They knew what crimes had been committed hence the cyanide capsules.”

    Sloppy thinking, once again.

    If they really thought they were immune why did they feel the need to carry suicide pills?


  101. My post at 4.13pm should have had this link at the end.

    For info

  102. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 5:39 pm

    Mary is again urging us to sigh a petition

    “There are 146392 signatures and counting on this 38 Degrees petition. Why not add yours?

    The petition to demand a real recall law – so that voters can sack MPs who don’t do their job properly – is growing fast.

    Already over 130,000 38 Degrees members have signed the petition. The bigger the petition – the more pressure David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband will be under to do the right thing. Can you click the button to add your name?”


    This is bollox – and irresponsible bollox at that.

    Where, in the petition, are the details??

    How many voters to force a recall?

    For any reason at all (your local MP might oppose hanging but most of his electoral might not) – or if not, for which reasons exactly?

    And so on.

    (If I have somehow overlooked a fuller text for what is being demanded by this petition, please indicate where I can read it).

  103. Little or no American commentary on the EU elections. This is James Petras.

    The Rise of the European Right: Reaction to the Neoliberal Right
    by James Petras / May 30th, 2014

    The European parliamentary elections witnessed a major breakthrough for the right-wing parties throughout the region. The rise of the Right runs from the Nordic countries, the United Kingdom, the Baltic and Low countries, France, Central and Eastern Europe to the Mediterranean.

    Most, if not all, of these emerging right-wing parties mark a sharp break with the ruling neo-liberal, Christian and Social Democratic parties who have presided over a decade of crisis.

    The ‘new Right’ cannot be understood simply by attaching negative labels (‘fascist’, ‘racist’ and ‘anti-Semitic’). The rise of the Right has to be placed in the context of the decay of political, social and economic institutions, the general and persistent decline of living standards and the disintegration of community bonds and class solidarity. The entire existing political edifice constructed by the neo-liberal parties bears deep responsibility for the systemic crisis and decay of everyday life. Moreover, this is how it is understood by a growing mass of working people who vote for the Right.


    Spot on.

  104. Try this e-petition, Habby (and anyone else…):

  105. I’ve signed Peacewisher. Thanks for posting the link.

  106. Habby

    She’s a neocon.

    And fuck off with recommending her drivel. If you want to contest my points, then do so yourself.

    If you’re capable.

    You haven’t managed it yet.



    That interview was recorded over a year ago, but I suspect that the realities that Yanukovych faced will have to be faced up by Poroshenko too. He knows Putin well, obviously but recently Putin turned down his desire to meet.

    The Ukraine coup momentum has stalled, and Putin will be letting the dire gravity of their situation unfold for a while yet.

    They’ll soon learn that the West is but a fair weather friend, using them as it uses everyone else.

  107. US now trying to bully France into selling the ships it is building for Russia… to a country in NATO:

    First practical example of Obama’s new foreign policy in action?

    Back to the real world… the US economy actual shrank (yes, negative growth) in the first quarter of 2014. You would have thought they’d be looking after their own at such times!

  108. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 6:11 pm


    “…since their foreign policy is fronted by here today gone tomorrow, British educated Bullingdon boy, Radosław Sikorski.”


    Radoslaw Sikorski has been the Polish Foreign Minister since 2007.

    Hardly “here today gone tomorrow”, Herbie.


  109. I was actually urging people to SIGN a petition, not SIGH one! Duh! again.

    The original which is easily found by anyone with some nous is:

    ‘Dear …

    It’s splashed across The Telegraph today: a group of MPs have come together to say that they need to regain our trust. [1] And they’re right. Many of us think that politics in the UK is broken. MPs can be sent to prison, can fiddle their expenses or break their promises and we can only get rid of them on election day. [2]

    But, we’ve got a chance right now to make things better. It looks like the government is making plans to announce new powers to sack – ‘recall’ – MPs who don’t do their job properly. Good huh? It would be, but it’s a stitch-up. [3]

    Their plans could put the power to sack MPs in their colleagues’ hands – not their constituents. The MPs speaking out today don’t think this is good enough. They’re backing real recall – so if enough people wanted to hold a by-election to sack their MP in between elections, they could.

    Today’s news will put the government under pressure. So let’s add to it. Let’s build a HUGE people-powered petition so they know we’re watching. Can you sign the petition now?

    A real recall law is not the answer to all of our democracy’s problems. But it’s a step in the right direction. And above all, it puts the power into our hands rather than MPs’.

    Real recall won’t mean that by-elections happen every day. There would be checks and balances in place so that MPs can get on with their jobs. It’s only the bad MPs who will need to worry.

    We need to send the government a clear signal, which means the petition needs to be big. Every signature will build the pressure they’ll be under.

    Here’s what one Conservative MP, Zac Goldsmith said:

    “As an MP, I’ve seen how public pressure can force the government’s arm – and they’re particularly sensitive about public trust in MPs right now. A massive petition could give David Cameron and Nick Clegg no option but to go back to the drawing board – and produce recall with bite.”

    Please sign the petition now:

    Thanks for being involved,

    Becky, Blanche, Amy, Ali & the 38 Degrees team

    PS: The petition is to David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband, (who’ve all said in the past that they’re committed to it). If Ed Miliband backs real recall – this could put David Cameron and Nick Clegg in an even trickier position.

    Sign the petition:

    [1] The Telegraph:
    [2] House of Commons Library: Recall Elections:
    [3] BBC: Recall plan for MPs ‘is a stitch-up’:

  110. Baal @ 3.09pm

    It makes a change from milking us, I suppose.

    But what’s he bought a farm for? Wouldn’t he prefer to live somewhere vibrant and diverse?

  111. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 6:24 pm


    She’s { ie, Anne Applebaum } neocon.

    And fuck off with recommending her drivel. If you want to contest my points, then do so yourself.

    I’d have been glad to answer any points you might have made at 15h57. But there were none to answer.

    It was however clear that you needed educating (unfortunately you’re too late for Michael Gove’s reforms) and that’s why I recommended Anne Applebaum.

    Since you’re obviously keen to get stuck into her works, I’d also recommend her “Gulag – a History” once you’ve finished “Iron Curtain – the crushing of eastern Europe 1944-1956″. Enjoy both!


    La vita è bella, life is good!

  112. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 6:27 pm


    “But what’s he bought a farm for?”

    Perhaps he wants to branch out from spouting bullshit to breeding bulls?

  113. “Hardly “here today gone tomorrow”, Herbie.”

    Well habby, rather like the Polish entity itself, he’s existed there and then not existed there, and should it all go wrong again then both he and Poland will not be existing there again for a while.

    They’re well used to it by now, it being their history over the past few hundred years, but never learn the lesson.


  114. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 6:31 pm


    Another long comment from you but the DETAILS of what is being proposed by 38 degrees (and what you are asking people to sign up to) are STILL MISSING !!

    Instead of sneering, please supply.

    Or don’t you have a clue yourself?


    La vita è bella, life is good! A petition a day keep the heebie-jeebies away.

  115. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 6:36 pm


    “They’re well used to it by now, it being their history over the past few hundred years, but never learn the lesson.”

    You sound quite pleased about that, Herbie….:)

    But don’t worry, the days when Russia could kick Polish ass are long gone. It didn’t dare do anything against Solidarity and it would dare to do even less now that Poland is a valuable member of NATO.

    Get used to it, Herbie.


  116. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 6:40 pm

    From the egregious Herbie

    “…since their foreign policy is fronted by here today gone tomorrow, British educated Bullingdon boy, Radosław Sikorski.”


    Radoslaw Sikorski has been the Polish Foreign Minister since 2007, Herbie.

    That makes 7 years so far (with more to come).

    Hardly “here today gone tomorrow”, Herbie.

    Longer than you’ve been commenting on CM and probably longer than you’ve been unwaged.

  117. Get lost.

  118. “The Ukraine coup momentum has stalled, and Putin will be letting the dire gravity of their situation unfold for a while yet.

    They’ll soon learn that the West is but a fair weather friend, using them as it uses everyone else.”

    It’s also a wounded beast bleeding to death from inequitable distribution of wealth. Wounded beasts are dangerous. Isn’t it typical that they are trying to get France to renege on its warship contract with Russia. At the same time it is cooperating with Russia on the space programme. What hypocrisy.

  119. The equivalent here of getting blood out of a stone or sense out of a troll.

    Chilcot Report Edges Closer Amid Icy Exchanges
    The report into Britain’s role in the Iraq war could be published before the 2015 general election, as David Cameron has demanded.

    The Sky political editor reports.

  120. Peacewisher

    “Try this e-petition, Habby (and anyone else…):

    Sorry, but I won’t sign any petition instigated by hard leftist Lindsey German.
    To explain, around about the time of the Iraq War many of us were utterly opposed to it but found that the main opposition, in the form of rallies, protests, sit-ins, occupations, lie-ins and the rest of it, was organized by the kind of socialist worker, pally solidarity type wankers you thought you’d got away from when you left university. No normal person wants to be associated with them or have their opposition to something so manifestly wrong as the Iraq War hijacked by anti-capitalist wasters waving trotskyist placards. Ditto the e-petition you have recommended us today. :-(

  121. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    30 May, 2014 - 6:54 pm


    What exactly does the 38 Degrees petition propose?

    Surely you aren’t inviting us to sign up to a petition whose details are non-existent?

    Sounds a little like that episode from the Southy Sea Bubble when investors were urged to invest now in a Company “the activities of which are yet to be revealed”

  122. “and it (Russia) would dare to do even less now that Poland is a valuable member of NATO”

    I’ve already pointed out that it’s not quite as valued as you imagine. And they know it. That’s why they’re crapping themselves.

    The West is using these new NATO countries, to its own purposes and its own purposes alone.

    Poland hasn’t since it joined in 1999 had the defensive support it has requested time and time again.

    Only a week ago it asked for 10,000 troops.

    Response lukewarm. A few fighter jets offered. Oh yeah, and exercises. Canada is sending 50 troops.

    The reality is that you’re as clueless as the Polish leadership. It takes a bit more than idealism and bits of paper.

    Then again it may just be the case that the Poles are pathologically incapable of understanding how you behave when next door to a major regional power. Their history would certainly suggest that that is the case.

    There are so many many ways this can go wrong for them, and no sensible person places themselves in that position.

    Even time itself is not on their side.

  123. PR exercise by the Queen’s Navee. HMS Bulwark is at Greenwich until Tuesday if anybody is interested. Build cost £225m + £32million refit in 2011.

    Other Navee news. Work on the new carrier proceeds. Launch July 2014 Operational 2020.

    Any planes to go on the carrier yet Mr Hammond? Run out of money? What a shame.

    Cost? We are told it is £3.5bn

  124. Rat? Sinking ship? Or perhaps he cannot find the words any more.

    White House Press Secretary Jay Carney Quits
    “I’m going to miss him a lot,” says President Barack Obama as he bids farewell to the podium veteran.

  125. Habbabkuk, the recall law is an ongoing matter. It was proposed before the last election. However, as I understand it, the government has moved the goal-posts. Their recent proposal is that other MPs rather than the voters would initiate the recall process. If the debate were to proceed in that direction, public power of recall would never even get discussed. Hence the seemingly vague petition; the MPs already know what 38Degrees are complaining about. You can find all this on the 38Degrees site, though you may need to look about a bit.

    Anon, even you could have a good idea, so I won’t go rejecting ideas just because they’re yours in case you do.

  126. @Anon. I wouldn’t want to be seen to be supporting the Socialist Worker Party in any way. I was also on that 1-2 million march, and the reason that movement worked was because SWP was sandwiched between CND, the Muslim Council of Britain and the Trades Unions. I’ve never expressed this opinion before but from what I can remember the protests faded after February 15th at least partly because Trades Unions started running scared of being sequestered. Was that more important than the Iraqi people? From what I remember, Blair gave them their reward in the Warwick agreement (better pensions and working conditions) a year later. Of course Cameron has even taken those away now…

    It is the petition that matters. I would have signed it even if Michael Gove had penned it.

  127. ” Only a week ago it asked for 10,000 troops. ”

    Well actually it was at the begining of April and in response to Putin massing 40,000 Russians on the Ukraine border. Had NATO supplied the requested troops you’d have acused them of being provocative and Putin could’ve used their presence as an excuse to keep his army in place. As it is Putin has seen sense and withdrawn most of the Russians so the need to re-inforce Poland no longer exists.

    ” Then again it may just be the case that the Poles are pathologically incapable of understanding how you behave when next door to a major regional power. ”

    So how would that be? Servile submission to intimidation and bullying? Anything Cuba could learn from their example?

    Poland, and Russia, are well aware of the central tenet of NATO; an attack on one member state is an attack on all.

  128. “Peacewisher

    “Try this e-petition, Habby (and anyone else…):”

    Sorry, but I won’t sign any petition instigated by hard leftist Lindsey German.”

    It was a jointly signed epetition Lindsey’s name just happened to be at the top.

    Lindsey German, convenor of Stop the War Coalition
    Kate Hudson, general secretary of CND
    Caroline Lucas MP
    Jeremy Corbyn MP
    John Rees, Stop the War Coalition
    Baroness Jenny Tonge
    Ken Loach, film and TV director
    Mark Rylance, actor
    Miriam Margolyes OBE actor
    Michael Rosen, author and broadcaster
    Salma Yaqoob, former leader of the Respect Party
    Andrew Murray, chief of staff for Unite union

    It might help if you read the letter too. It is not expected that somebody who supports UKIP would be opposed to NATO exercises in Ukraine.

    No to Nato military exercises in Ukraine

    Responsible department: Ministry of Defence

    We note with great concern that UK and US troops are scheduled to participate in joint military exercises in Ukraine in July as part of NATO’s Rapid Trident manoeuvres. Ukraine is not a member of NATO. Its participation in military exercises by a nuclear-armed alliance with a first-strike policy can only further destabilise the country.

    We call on the British government to urge the US and other NATO governments to cancel the Rapid Trident exercise, and to give a plain and public undertaking that Britain will not participate.”

  129. You’ve sealed it now, John.

  130. The BBC thought it rightly important to tell us about the 12 soldiers who died when their helicopter was shot down in Ukraine. It called them “people”, which of course they are.

    Would the 7 children injured today by Ukrainian army shelling of civilian areas of Slavyansk be classed as “pro-separatist rebels”? Perhaps – if the BBC were to mention the attack at all, which of course they won’t.

  131. I thought my posting of the 38 Degrees e-mail ref the recall petition was self explanatory.

    In any case over the course of the last few hours since 5.30pm, 4,500 signatures have been added so there is no need for Habbabkuk to bother his head.

    There are now 150,849 signatures. Bravo!

  132. Did you keep away from that 15th February march, Anon, because you thought there’d be a load of weirdoes. Well, yes, it was full of weirdoes, of all colours, classes, ages, and sexual orientations. We are all weirdoes, and (apart from other things) it is our right to be weirdoes that our forefathers fought for in ww2.

  133. @Mike: It was same with reporting on Iraq. The BBC seem to be treating this as if it was a war against the Donbass. The BBC was very different in its reporting of the war with Vietnam… shows how times have changed. And how in turn the BBC have changed young people minds: anti-war, 60s; pro-war, 00s, (or would have done if the young didn’t rebel and turn to their computers…)

  134. The chocolate teapot in Ukraine had better watch out. If he heats everything up too much, he will be in danger of melting.


    Well said Peacewisher ref the march. It seems like centuries ago. But only 10 years and in that time, so much killing and maiming.

  135. Yeah, Peacewisher, Gilligan knocked the stuffing out of them. They are little better than a neo-con mouthpiece now.

  136. “Ukraine Vows to Bring Peace to the East” runs the BBC headline.

    That’s as close to “War is Peace” as you can get.

    Peacewisher: Learn the truth online. Yes. Then what? Step away from the screen and into he street, if you want to make the change. It’s the only way.

  137. Wrong to blame Gilligan. He was just a journalist trying to get a story out. The big mistake seemed to be not having a proper strategy for protecting their source, and wilting to Blair’s bully boys verbal aggression. As you say, Mary, suddenly it is as if it happened yesterday.

  138. Mike: bottom-up will last and be self-sustaining… (cf 38degrees) top-down will have to be maintained by lies… maybe even violence… (cf. condem coalition)

  139. I’ve added my signature Mary. One thing that concerns me is what 38 degrees does with the money it gets.

  140. NATO petition now has 3750 signatures. Needs a lot more.

  141. Let’s sign that petition!

    Write the names of certain websites in a public place. Agit-prop graffiti. Spread the truth.

  142. Mike, I’ve been spreading it via Facebook. The first time I shared it three other petition links, two with NATO in the title were posted with it. They appeared to be pro-NATO petitions so I deleted them. I tried to repeat the procedure and could not get it to repeat. So I suggest people check especially their first share.

  143. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 May, 2014 - 12:12 am


    I think you’re very angry with the Poles about something or other. What is it that makes you so angry? My guess would be that you’re angry about the role Poland (through Solidarity) played in ridding Eastern Europe of Russian imperialism(followed by the breakup of the Evil Empire itself), but do correct me if I’m wrong! :)


    Since you mention history:

    “Then again it may just be the case that the Poles are pathologically incapable of understanding how you behave when next door to a major regional power. Their history would certainly suggest that that is the case.”

    let me ask you: how, in your opinion, should Poland have “behaved” after 1933 and, specifically, how should it have “behaved” in 1939?

    Let’s see if the great geo-strategist dares answer that one! :)

  144. Mike work out how you can control market forces then in turn you will get a handle on the corporations in turn you can set the dichotomy of governmental democracy in which also controls market forces.
    Influence the media and the banks and you will have a real leftist society, guarantee an ideal and hey presto. No need form vandalism.

  145. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 May, 2014 - 12:15 am

    From the egregious Herbie

    “…since their foreign policy is fronted by here today gone tomorrow, British educated Bullingdon boy, Radosław Sikorski.”


    Radoslaw Sikorski has been the Polish Foreign Minister since 2007, Herbie.

    That makes 7 years so far (with more to come).

    Hardly “here today gone tomorrow”, Herbie.

    Longer than you’ve been commenting on CM and probably longer than you’ve been unwaged.


    PS – have you ordered those books by the excellent Anne Applebaum yet, Herbie? You know it’s the right thing to do!

  146. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 May, 2014 - 12:19 am


    And when you do get round to answering the questions, Herbie, try to do so without resorting to four letter words, there’s a good lad:

    “And fuck off with recommending her drivel.”

  147. Kempe

    The Poles wanted a permanent stationing of NATO troops, and other defenses as a final solution to their fear of the East.

    You see, they thought they’d joined the wonderful West as full civilised members, law and order rules all, you’re a democracy right. We’ll have no more bullying here. Everything is subject to the law, except when our new powerful friends say otherwise.

    Despite persistent requests going back to 1999, when they joined with hopes of tomorrow, very little has been done to address their concerns.

    The West is reluctant to give them the defensive measures that would finally remove the threat from the East, whence they’d become their truly independent selves. Probably quite formidable, given time.


    Whilst their partners in Europe are cuddling up to Russian interests behind the scenes, poor old Poland, very vulnerable Poland, with the least military resources, facing a walk over border with the beast, is the most openly and subversively aggressive against Russia, on behalf of their partners. Their very distant partners.


    NATO: All for one, and one for all.

    On the borders. It’s everyone for themselves, usually. Borders are a release valve from authority.

    It can get quite human at times.

  148. Jermyn St. Jim.

    31 May, 2014 - 1:19 am

  149. All that drivel about Poland, Havashite, when Britain looked on and dithered when Poland was overun by the Nazi’s, because the yankee doodle dandy was not involved then.

    Poland was overun by the Germans first on their way to defeat east and on their return fleeing home. Then they were overun again by the ruthless Russian army, straffing them for letting the Krauts cross their lands.

    Your pathetic palpative rewriten here is naive and childish. Craig will enjoy a good laught on his return.

    Now carry on with usurping this blog, you poor sod.

  150. EU trying to use financial and legal (tendering process flawed?)pressure stop the South Stream gas pipeline to Europe, through Bulgaria:

    even though the contract will bring Bulgaria more money than its annual EU “allowance”.

    Meanwhile, Russia is negotiating a deal to put the pipeline through Turkey:

    And all because the US is suddenly in charge of EU policy.

    How stupid is this!

    Greece is also looking for a slice of the South Stream action… we all know they’d love to get away from the EU, and couldn’t be so easily bribed as Bulgaria.

  151. I often wondered where Cowper Coles, ex ambassador and HM special representative in Afghanistan and Pakistan, had washed up.

    ‘“Too big to jail” HSBC will also have representatives, the Group Chairman of HSBC Holdings, Douglas J. Flint, and his senior advisor Sherard Cowper-Coles. These mega banks have a longstanding record of financial fraud:

    “Goldman symbolizes master of the universe of financial manipulation (Reuters April 16, 2011) It’s been involved in nearly all financial scandals since the 19th century… In 2002, it was largely responsible for Greece’s debt problems. It involved circumventing Eurozone rules in return for mortgaging assets.

    Using creative accounting, debt was hidden through off-balance sheet shenanigans. Derivatives called cross-currency swaps were used. Government debt issued in dollars and yen was swapped for euros, then later exchanged back to original currencies.

    Debt entrapment followed. Greece was held hostage to repay it. The country’s been raped and pillaged. Paying bankers comes first. Doing it left Greeks impoverished, high and dry. Goldman profited enormously by scamming an entire country and millions in it.”(Stephen Lendman, Goldman Sachs: Making Money by Stealing It,, 17 March 2012)’

    ‘His first role as a head of mission was in Tel Aviv as the British Ambassador to Israel from 2001 to 2003′ Enough said.

    ‘In 2011 Cowper-Coles became BAE Systems’ international business development director, focusing on the Middle East and south-east Asia.[7] He is a committee member of the Saudi-British Society. [8]

    His appointment at BAE caused some controversy, since he is thought to have “had a profound effect” on the decision by Robert Wardle, then director of the UK’s Serious Fraud Office, to end an investigation into BAE’s allegedly corrupt dealings with Saudi Arabia.[9]’ That fits.

  152. Mark ref your concern about the finances of 38 Degrees.

    They appear to be quite open about their finances. There is a link to their latest accounts within

    and here is their board.


  153. I was speaking to someone yesterday, and we were discussing the referendum. He mentioned that his brother was the only male still alive from his primary school in Glasgow. Alcohol and substance abuse had claimed the lives of most of them, His brother was 53 years old.
    Rule brittania.

  154. ” All that drivel about Poland, Havashite, when Britain looked on and dithered when Poland was overun by the Nazi’s, ”

    Nazi invasion of Poland started 1st September 1939. Britain declared war on the 3rd. On the 17th in accordance with a secret treaty drawn up with Germany the Soviet Union invaded Poland from the east, the county being divided up between the two. Poland surrendered on 6th October.

  155. doug scorgie

    31 May, 2014 - 9:48 am

    30 May, 2014 – 6:49 pm

    “Sorry, but I won’t sign any petition instigated by hard leftist Lindsey German.”

    I imagine Anon that, to you and your fellow trolls, anyone to the left of Mrs Thatcher is “hard left.”

    “…something so manifestly wrong as the Iraq War…”

    Have you ever made any comments on this blog Anon, condemning the Iraq war?

  156. More Better Together dirty tricks. BBC website.

    Scottish independence: Vote No Borders advert pulled over child hospital claim
    The advert claimed Scots would find it difficult to get treatment at the children’s hospital after independence

    B&Q investment to ‘pause’ after Yes
    The boss of the company that owns B&Q says investment would “pause” in Scotland following a “Yes” vote in the referendum.

  157. Fuck B&Q.

    DIY Scotland!

  158. “Chuck Hagel said the US would “not look the other way” when nations ignored international rules.”

    Er… Mr Hagel, have you never heard of Israel?

  159. News just in:

    Her Serene Highness The Princess of Monaco has been shagging.

  160. These LDs take some beating. Now it’s Shirley Williams leaping to the defence of Rennard.

    One of the founding members of the Liberal Democrats has played down the seriousness of the issue of Lord Rennard’s alleged sexual harassment.

    Party peer Baroness Shirley Williams said the row had been “blown up”.

    Lord Rennard Lib Dem row ‘blown up’ – Shirley Williams

    Her mother Vera Brittain feminist and pacifist would have disagreed strongly with her.

  161. Wikipedia’s new privacy policy.

    What’s that about? Something to do with internet search providers being ordered by the EU to take down personal info on request this keeping the secrets of the gansters-in-charge secret.

  162. Habbabkuk

    You are not a troll darling. You are an invited guest so that predatory drone Hasbara trolls scanning this blog for anti-Zionist New World Order sarcasm will land and be dream-charmed by your insolent tripe and fly away again.

    That duck on the lake is a decoy.

  163. Thanks Mary – and some powerful exposures esp.

    30 May, 2014 – 4:42 pm – the Chilcot whitewash.

    As an important and successful vehicle to giving back function and capacity to ordinary folk my request to 38 degrees for individual board members remuneration was simply an exercise in economics out of interest and not an examination of probity.

  164. Pot calling kettle black.

    Khartoum is a centre of Sufism. Many Sudanese pray to their prophet, peace be upon him, instead of to Allah. If they persecute a Christian woman for praying to Jesus, they have to destroy the whole population who practise the same crime inside Islam..

    btw since when 9 x 9 isn’t 81, please?

  165. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 May, 2014 - 1:25 pm


    “The West is reluctant to give them {ie, Poland } the defensive measures that would finally remove the threat from the East”

    Thank you for confirming that Russia is a threat to Poland, Herbie.

    You are progressing and would progress even further if you would now finally answer my question:

    “I think you’re very angry with the Poles about something or other. What is it that makes you so angry?”

    Why are you so angry with Poland, Herbie?

  166. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 May, 2014 - 1:32 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “I imagine Anon that, to you and your fellow trolls, anyone to the left of Mrs Thatcher is “hard left.””

    As usual, Doug, your imagination and that of your fellow bitches is working overtime.


    “Have you ever made any comments on this blog Anon, condemning the Iraq war?”

    Have you ever made any comments on this blog, Doug, condemning Russian actions in Eastern Europe from 1944 to 1990?

    If so, please provide links of course.

  167. I’m angry with Poland because they prevented us qualifying for the 1974 World Cup, and destroyed Bobby Moore’s reputation all in one go! LOL.

    I would also be have been angry with Argentina about Maradonna’s “Hand of God” goal, but I thought the Argentina had already suffered enough for Galtieri and being on the wrong end of Thatcher’s wrath.

  168. * Argentinian People.

  169. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    31 May, 2014 - 3:02 pm

    Can anyone on this blog ( perhaps one of the wise Excellences? ) name one country in the world – other than Russia – whose Head of State is a former secret policeman?

  170. Well, there’s a wind up, Habby!

    Look no further than the USA. I believe George Bush senior was Head of the CIA before becoming a Senator, and wasn’t there a Hoover family association between intelligence and State? I think that’s why the US doesn’t make more of it regarding Putin. You’re welcome to though… although aren’t people encouraged these days to have a second career?


    31 May, 2014 - 3:27 pm

    It’s pretty pervasive. So pervasive many can’t see the forest for the trees…lol.

  172. Why are you so angry with Russia, habby.

    Don’t bother. I know. It’s so awfully annoying when anything gets in the way of your plans for world domination, eh.

    For my part I’ve made it very clear that I’m concerned with Poland’s western dominated leadership, following an American policy ill-suited to long term Polish interests in the region they inhabit.

    I’ve pointed out that they’ve fallen foul of such errors many times in the past and have yet to learn the lesson.

    I’ve further pointed out that NATO and the West have little interest in their security, yet leave them to continually prick the beast whilst the West itself is cozying up to the same beast behind the scenes.

    I am concerned, you see.

    I think the West is using them and they again will pay the price.

  173. A gift suggestion for the poster @ four above. Some Secret Policeman’s Balls.

  174. How dare they! We really are the Sooty and Sweep of the US glove puppeteers.

    Was it:

    US spy drone flies…..


    US spy drones fly….

    Typo in the heading.

    US spy drones flies in UK airspace for the first time


    31 May, 2014 - 3:52 pm

    I thought Habba was all jacked-in and a sagacious member of the dark forces. To leave himself open with such an elementary question speaks more to his arrogant dismissal of anything that doesn’t fit his widget-shaped world.

    “The odd part of Obama’s story is that he doesn’t mention the name of his employer. However, a New York Times story of 2007 identifies the company as Business International Corporation. Equally odd is that the Times did not remind its readers that the newspaper itself had disclosed in 1977 that Business International had provided cover for four CIA employees in various countries between 1955 and 1960.

    The British journal, Lobster Magazine – which, despite its incongruous name, is a venerable international publication on intelligence matters – has reported that Business International was active in the 1980s promoting the candidacy of Washington-favored candidates in Australia and Fiji. In 1987, the CIA overthrew the Fiji government after but one month in office because of its policy of maintaining the island as a nuclear-free zone, meaning that American nuclear-powered or nuclear-weapons-carrying ships could not make port calls. After the Fiji coup, the candidate supported by Business International, who was much more amenable to Washington’s nuclear desires, was reinstated to power – R.S.K. Mara was Prime Minister or President of Fiji from 1970 to 2000, except for the one-month break in 1987.

    In his book, not only doesn’t Obama mention his employer’s name; he fails to say when he worked there, or why he left the job. There may well be no significance to these omissions, but inasmuch as Business International has a long association with the world of intelligence, covert actions, and attempts to penetrate the radical left – including Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) – it’s valid to wonder if the inscrutable Mr. Obama is concealing something about his own association with this world.


    31 May, 2014 - 4:15 pm

    Oil? Future wars will be over water rights.’-water

    “The Turkish government recently cut off the flow of the Euphrates River, threatening primarily Syria but also Iraq with a major water crisis. Al-Akhbar found out that the water level in Lake Assad has dropped by about six meters, leaving millions of Syrians without drinking water.

    Two weeks ago, the Turkish government once again intervened in the Syrian crisis. This time was different from anything it had attempted before and the repercussions of which may bring unprecedented catastrophes onto both Iraq and Syria.

    Violating international norms, the Turkish government recently cut off the water supply of the Euphrates River completely. In fact, Ankara began to gradually reduce pumping Euphrates water about a month and half ago, then cut if off completely two weeks ago, according to information received by Al-Akhbar.”


    31 May, 2014 - 4:23 pm

    “‘It could be anybody – antagonists from either side.'”

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    I suspect it’s an Islamophobe trying to wind everyone up.

  178. kempe, thanks for the dates, but sadly Germany’s invasion and threats to Poland were known since they walked all over Austria, Britain knew of their plans well in advance.

  179. The MP quoted made a scene at a constituent’s wedding because his wife could not sit with him. I think he knew full well what happens at a Muslim wedding. Same applies in a synagogue Mr Fitzpatrick.

    Government minister under fire for walking out of Muslim wedding
    Jim Fitzpatrick criticised for leaving the segregated ceremony after being told he could not sit with his wife

  180. ” Britain knew of their plans well in advance. ”

    Possibly why the agreement guaranteeing Poland’s borders was signed. Didn’t act as the deterrent expected though.

  181. Not so much a forest Ben more like a grove in Kent with right-wing Nigel Farage fingering British nationalism to conjure a distinct party at the center-ground of British public opinion.

  182. doug scorgie

    31 May, 2014 - 8:13 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    31 May, 2014 – 1:32 pm

    “Have you ever made any comments on this blog, Doug, condemning Russian actions in Eastern Europe from 1944 to 1990?”

    Totally irrelevant Habbabkuk; just a diversionary tactic on your part.

    Anon said that the Iraq war was manifestly wrong yet he has never, to my knowledge, criticised the actions of the west in that war.

    He has not replied to my question.

    He is a shithead like you so I don’t expect an answer.

  183. They knew what was coming, Kempe, and theAdmirality and foreing office and war office thought,still, after Hitler annexed Austria, that he might just be bluffing? that he would not dare to invade Poland?
    what piffling excuse. Sorry but i really do not want to hark on about it as I have become a grand dad today, sod history, politics and all sorts.

    Could not get me shoppin’ done, my mind was in perplexual arse for tittage today…:)
    He looks lovely…..

  184. Congrats Nevermind. It is always nice to hear good news like that. Welcome to the world little one. Sorry we have made such a mess of it.

  185. Congratulations Nevermind.

    I have turned into a super liberal parent. When the youngsters are naughty, or un kind I shower them with Love like they are the victim of the unsuitable behaviour.

    So far so good.

    @ Mike

    Sorry mate anything is worth conceiving to improve thing en-masse.
    Isn’t it the butterfly effect or something?.
    Reckon kindness is the way to go and wishfully thinking as you know.

  186. Yes, congrats Nevermind. I recently had that pleasure as well.

    Mary: perhaps we should say “sorry we let them make such a mess of it”. It wasn’t quite such a mess 50 years ago, and that must be something to do with the generation before us. Guess we were soporified by gadgets and TV.

  187. I’ve just had a terrible thought. Iraq WMD case didn’t get passed at the UNSC because the African nations voted against. So neutralise Syria, put a black president into the White House and try again… yep it works! Russia isolated in the UN Security Council.

    Others apparently don’t think Obama is doing such a good job:

  188. Kindness should be part and parcel of life, Jay. But the psychos in charge of the out-of-control US war machine are ruled by death and controlled by the lies they tell themselves.

  189. Congratulations Nevermind!

    Best wishes to all :-)


    1 Jun, 2014 - 2:50 am

    Squonk blog down. Hope AA isn’t down permanently.

  191. The next McCain

    1 Jun, 2014 - 5:12 am

    When they inducted normal people they naturally fragged the officers so now the troops are all schizoids and mental defectives. It’s a whole new way to lose a war.

  192. Nevermind, please pass on my congratulations…

  193. Palestinian resistance. A weapon transformed into a thing of beauty.

    Under The Olive Tree (

    Palestinians plant flowers in Israeli tear gas canisters:

    West Bank garden of teargas canisters – in pictures:

    From a Canadian radio station’s facebook page

  194. Congratulations to you too peacewisher, and thanks for the good wishes. Lets hope the same good luck will be bestowed on to the Independent campaign. The more one looks into Osborne’s financial juggling, the more one realises that the dependency might be the other way round.

    Its Britain that needs Scotlands fishing industry, their armorical knowhow, their deep water ports and their oil and gas.RBS is a bit of a liability at times but I’m sure that they can find a Canadian to sort that out.

    Can they also have a referendum on the same day for a dedicated official ‘Trump dunking day’, were all gather and watch Donald being blessed with an ancient $ iron around the chops, in scottish waters off course, each and every year, to keep him cleansed form his past and ongoing sins…..;)

  195. should have been ‘ancient 4 iron’

  196. Craig mentioned the Purnell effect before ie BBC carrying the Labour prop. This is another example which I read this on the BBC website. The neoliberals are alive and well in the Liebour Party, supporting privatisation.

    Blair aide warns Labour over public service strategy

    Lord Wood? Who he? Never heard of him. He is a Miliband peer and a paid adviser to Miliband,_Baron_Wood_of_Anfield

    Nita Clarke is the daughter in law of Tony Benn and Emily Benn’s mother. Note Emily’s support of Iraq war on the Wiki page.

    Emily attempted to become an MP but she is starting at the bottom and is a new councillor in Croydon.

    Stephen Benn, Nita Clarke’s husband. He is taking the title of his late father! FFS Nita Clarke’s employment.

    What a bunch.

  197. Hasn’t Mother Nature done away with the Trump aberration on Scotland’s Eastern coast yet? I hoped the winter storms and the floods would have done their worst and covered the thing in sand and debris.

    He is messing in US politics I see. Tea party stuff.

  198. Ou est notre ami?

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